In reality, the game was up long ago, when Theresa May and David Cameron opted to hound and demonize opponents of jihad terror, and coddle and appease jihad terrorists. This attempt to appear to be adopting a tough stance is far too late and just for show. Electioneering already, Theresa? It won’t matter in any case: whatever the outcome of elections at any time, future generations of free Britons, if there are any, will curse your name for delivering their country so easily and willingly into the hands of those who were determined to make it over into an authoritarian Sharia state.
“Theresa May tells Islamist extremists: ‘The game is up,'” by Steven Swinford, the Telegraph, March 23, 2015 (thanks to John):
Theresa May will today tell radical Islamists that the “game is up” and that they were no longer tolerated in Britain as she sets out Tory plans for a crackdown on extremism.
The Home Secretary is expected to say that a future Conservative government target Sharia law, change the rules on granting citizenship to ensure people embrace British values and introduce “banning orders” for extremist groups.
Radicals will also be barred from working unsupervised with children amid fears that young people are being brainwashed, while staff at job centres will be required to identify vulnerable claimants who may become targets for radicalisation.
In a speech in London she will invite all moderate Muslims to join her in exposing the “hatred, bigotry and ignorance” of extremists who seek to undermine the values of democracy, equality and free speech.
The new counter-extremism policy is aimed at tackling radical preachers and individuals who try to brainwash young Muslims and encourage them to embrace extremist views.
Battle-hardened and vengeful, 300 jihadists are back in Britain
We can debate the extremists, listen to them, scream and shout and insult them. But we must never ban them
She will say that a “small but significant” number of people in Britain are trying to undermine the nation’s values and create a “clash of civilisations”.
She will cite the Trojan Horse plot to take over state schools in Birmingham, corruption in Tower Hamlets in East London and the use of Sharia law being used to discriminate against women.
She will also condemn hate preachers, the practice of gender segregation at some universities and the thousands of “honour” crimes committed every year.
Mrs May will say: “Extremism is not something that can just be ignored. It cannot be wished away. It must be tackled head on. Because where extremism takes root the consequences are clear. Women’s rights are eroded. There is discrimination on the basis of race and sexuality.
“There is no longer equal access to the labour market, to the law, or to wider society. Communities become segregated and cut off from one another. Intolerance, hatred and bigotry become normalised. Trust is replaced by fear, reciprocity by envy, and solidarity by division.
“Where they seek to divide us, our values are what unite us. Where they seek to dictate, lecture and limit opportunity, our values offer young people hope and the chance to succeed. The extremists have no vision for Britain that can sustain the dreams and ambitions of its people. Theirs is a negative, depressing and in fact absurd view of the world – and it is one we know that in the end we can expose and defeat.”
She will appeal to “every single person in Britain” to join her in a new “partnership” to celebrate British values and defeat ignorance.
She will say: “But to those people who do not want to join this new partnership, to those who choose consciously to reject our values and the basic principles of our society, the message is equally clear. The game is up.
“We will no longer tolerate your behaviour. We will expose your hateful beliefs for what they are. Where you seek to spread hate, we will disrupt you. Where you break the law, we will prosecute you.Where you seek to divide us, we will stand united. And together, we will defeat you.”
The Home Secretary will say that a future Conservative government will commission an independent review into the operation of Sharia courts in Britain, while councils will be ordered to “take steps to ensure the safeguarding of children in hithero unregulated places”, such as tuition centres.
British values will form “an integral part of applying for a visa” which even visitors will have to comply with.
The Home Secretary will also introduce “banning orders” for extremist groups, which would make it a criminal offence to be a member of or raise funds for a group that spreads or promotes hatred. The maximum sentence could be up to 10 years in prison.
American says
This is the most encouraging thing to come out of the UK in some time, if ever, on stopping the Islamists. We’ll have to see to what extent it is actually applied, whether it works, and how long it lasts. Things have gotten way out of hand, but let’s hope for the best.
pumbar says
Nah, it’s just more bluster from a Tory party that is on the run from UKIP. If they get in then it’ll be the same old, same old. Vote UKIP!
Michael Warden says
UKIP ?? Is that the same UKIP whose leader, the Farrago, is on record as saying ” I have no problems with muslims ” ?
pumbar says
What’s he supposed to say? Deport the lot of them? He’s already made a few points about a fifth column in the UK that is miles ahead of the other parties.
ECAW says
The situation with all our politicians is very confusing. They seem to have no understanding of Islamic teachings and intentions, and no wish to investigate.
When the UAF decided to target a UKIP meeting Farage said “I don’t even know who you are”. What ignorance.
But at least there are people in UKIP who have some idea, like that MEP Batten who wrote a foreword to Sam Solomon’s proposed limits on Islam. Perhaps Farage does know more than he lets on and goes as far as he judges he can. Or perhaps he and all the other politicians just see public order issues with no underlying significance.
ayatollahowmany says
You go on voting Labour, Michael… assuming you can get your head out of your ass long enough to see the ballot paper.
roger woodhouse says
I suppose by that comment you are placing your trust in Cameron and the tory party to actually ‘do’ something are you ? If so you are deluded. ONLY Nigel Farage and UKIP will actually ‘DO’ something to end the Islamisation of GB. This is puer electioneering on Theresa May’s part . As usual the conservatinves are waking up but all too late simply because of their fear of losing to UKIP
Michael Warden says
” ayatollahowmany says
March 23, 2015 at 10:20 am
You go on voting Labour, Michael… assuming you can get your head out of your ass long enough to see the ballot paper. ”
Were you referring to me ? I have NEVER voted Labour. I am a member of the British National Party – and proud of it. The ONLY party that speaks for the British people. Yes, yes, I know we will not get any seats in the election. All down to the ” no platform ” policy adopted by the so called newspapers . The BRITISH people will wake up one day. Just take a look at the choices of leaders we have. Pretty grim isn’t it ?
Don McKellar says
For anything to actually happen, Cameron would have to turn around 180 degrees and actually educate himself on Islam instead of just relying on “go to people”. In short, he would have to stop being a career political hack and magically grow some testicles and a spine. And he would have to give up his very lucrative post-politics board memberships on a lot of Islamic oil money funded corporations which are no doubt waved in front of him on a regular basis. No to mention all the heat he would face from the rank and file and all his allies. What do you think the odds are of that happening?
Spot On says
Sort of like Neville Chamberlain entertaining future personal revenue from Hitler but I am sure he justifies it in accordance with his PC-MC indoctrination.
Joe Shmo says
Cameron has the EU view of the world, which is: mass immigration, multiculturalism, Islam good, native people bad and so on, and so on. I wonder if he’s just going along with it, or if he’s been totally bought. Maybe a bit of both, he seems to be a total puppet. Nigel Farage may or may not be ignorant, but at least he seems to live in the real world and talks sense on most things.
However, UKIP have a Muslim running in Luton South who had potential extreme conncections. Not a good sign. At the same time, PCness is so bad in Britain, that Farage has done a great job in steering public debate on delicate subjects while making himself popular. The British owe him a huge debt for bringing discussion about idiotic mass-immigration into the mainstream. That debate has to come to US shores too and soon.
Michael Warden says
Oh come on !! It is election time and the pathetic, totally useless Theresa May is just electioneering. Even using the surely by now worn out phrase ” moderate muslims “. There is NO SUCH THING AS A MODERATE MUSLIM. According to Erdogan ” There is no such thing as a moderate muslim. The term is ugly and offensive. A muslim is a muslim “. He should know. Also, a muslim obeys the Koran – to the letter. If he does not then he is a hypocrite. Penalty ? Death.
PRCS says
No, my friend.
There ARE “moderate” Muslims. They either don’t buy into the whole thing or they don’t personally know what Qur’an and Sunnah actually say. Some of them are illiterate and have only the word of others to explain it all to them. Some of those doing the explaining are themselves illiterate.
The issue is that there is NO moderate Islam, and that every ‘radicalized’ Muslim was a ‘moderate’ Muslim at one time in their lives.
To paraphrase from the play/move ‘South Pacific’:
They’ve got to be carefully taught
They’ve got to be taught before it’s too late
Before they are six or seven or eight
Here’s what Erdogan said:
“Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”
http://infidelsarecool.com/2007/08/turkish-prime-minister-there-is-no-moderate-islam/
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ANKARA – Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan rejected attempts to call Turkey the representative of moderate Islam. “It is unacceptable for us to agree with such a definition. Turkey has never been a country to represent such a concept. Moreover, Islam cannot be classified as moderate or not,” Erdoğan said, speaking at Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies late Thursday.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/domestic/11360374.asp
Erdogay was referring to Islam, rather than Muslims:
Caroline says
I wouldn’t be too hopeful. All our politicians pander to and appease the Muslims. David Cameron told one group that there are too many white, Christian faces in England. None of them are really on our side. I would like to know what the agenda is, because if we go on like this there won’t be a future in Britain for Cameron’s descendants or anyone else’s
American says
Caroline. Thank you for your comment. You touched on the key question. What is their agenda? It’s suicidal. They’re ending the UK – and it’s not just them, it’s happening all over Europe, and even in the US. Why the Islamic appeasement, even to the detriment of their own non-Muslim citizens and the lives of their children and grandchildren. It’s like they all attended the same meeting and agreed – yes, this is the way we’ll destroy our country – but why?
roger woodhouse says
In England it is known as ‘appeasement’,. The Brits are very good at that . Remember the thirties? No ,Cameron does not have a spline. In fact hes the worse kind of ‘politician’ . Come through the ranks without a cross word ever passing his greasy lips. Rose to the top like the snake oil salesman he is and will sell out the country to hang on as PM.Clueless about Islam because he has no ‘faith ‘ of his own . This election is Britains last chance to make a fist of saving itself.
Boston Tea Party says
Why do they do it? Well, I can offer my opinion. This is not just a conflict between Islam and the West. There are actually THREE players: Muslims, the native populations of the West, and the liberal elites of the West. Each of the groups has their own distinct vision of what the future of the West should look like. The liberal elites want to usher in a new utopian, post-national, post-racial, post-ethnic society. The native populations of the West are generally happy with their own culture, and the Muslim populations of course prefer Islamic culture. The liberal elites largely despise their own native populations, hence their desire to dilute those populations by importing millions of Muslims. The liberal elites also aren’t all that fond of Islam per se, but they see Muslims as useful allies against their own native populations—native populations who have no interest in their utopian post-national society. The liberal elites are trying to triangulate between the Muslims and the native populations. Although they most often side with the Muslims against their own people, if that approach is now and then too politically risky, particularly around the time of some terrorist act committed by Muslims, then the liberal elites will cozy up to their native populations, and pretend to be “standing up to the Islamists.” But I still hold that the key to understanding the whole thing is that there are THREE distinct groups in play for the future of the West. The problem, as I see it, is that our group (the native population) generally hasn’t yet woken up to the nature of the conflict, and what the goals of the other players are.
Demsci says
I on the whole, agree with and am grateful for Boston Tea Party’s view.
And my “solution”. This huge challenge is in the end making at least some groups of ushumans better.
Out of the masses can rise a group, Accountable Patriottic Democratic Citizens, a minority. That is positive, emulates the strengths of our enemy, uniting under some MIG-texts; Most Importang Guidelines and defending, promoting, expanding the culture around them.
We can know our enemy, this website and countles commentators show that. We can know what we are FOR ourselves, in response, in a better alternative to our enemies, who indeed have very stupid MIG-texts, easy to beat.
But, what remains vague, undecided, stubborn, ignorant, arrogant, that is “the masses, including academics, elites, media, politicians.
Let Muslims do their worst and let Democracy’s defenders give up on at least some of these “masses” and territory. I am so sick and tired of almost all of you wanting to save/help those who don’t ask for it.
Joe Shmo says
It seems to that their agenda is nation-breaking and ultimately world government at the hands of globalists and elites. By opening borders they allow cultures to dilute each other. As a result they have to paint nationalism as a bad thing, saying that it was responsible for Nazism (when the Socialism part of National Socialism was probably much more to blame) to weaken resistance. They then enforce multiculturalism and non-integration which dilute national identity and destroy indigenous culture. They say it’s great, it increases diversity, it’s culturally enriching and other empty phrases. Ultimately, it’s divide and rule. Here’s what the EU commissioner had to say in 2012:
“EU should ‘undermine national homogeneity’ says UN migration chief”
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395
Naturally, the citizens are never asked if they want this crime done to them.
This also means protecting Islam from the top once it starts to inflict its damage. Otherwise the whole project fails (which of course it will anyway because it’s insane). Part of this involves a complete take-over of the mass media so no dissenting voices are heard and also people demonised for being “racist”, this mindset is fed through the education system which has also been infiltrated and compromised. They’re attacking children now for being racist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511841/Children-8-racist-miss-Islam-trip-Schools-threatening-letter-parents-met-outrage.html
A Soviet dissident, Vladimir Bukovsky pointed out that the EU parliament and system was designed the way it is to merge with the Soviet Bloc, but it colllapsed before it could be initiated. You can read a interview with him here where he says he saw documents confirming this.
“Former Soviet Dissident Warns For EU Dictatorship”
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865
At the same time, mass-immigration from Islam is part of an initiative to join the Islamic world with Europe. Which is so stupid only a utopianist could believe it. The EU is run by many ex-communists.
It’s like what happened in Iran in 1979 when Communists and Islam got in bed together to topple the Shah. Of course Islam made short work of the commies afterwards, because Islam can never share any stage.
Our leaders are not on our side, it’s true, they’re part of the problem and part of a slow-motion C’oup D’etat (h/t to fjordman for that phrase.) Be under no illusion, America’s on the same path too. I’ve read a lot about life under Communism. I really feel like I’m living it now. We must resist this.
Mr UPSIDE DOWN says
Well thank you i was impressed too..like she said “…you will NO LONGER BE TOLERATED “….SO they have been tolerated
but look at it this way.Islam as only really been here since after WW II ..we gave them space to settle down find their feet..no pressure
just keep the peace.
it seem now after being allowed freedom they have been seen to be taking the PISS
rapes drugs criminal activity..they thought we were a soft touch..that we werent watching ..or we are christains so are not intelligent enough to confont their amazing gifts of intelligence,
But we do care we have a massive massive historical hertiage..where laws freedoms were fought for defended enshrined into our consitituion …going back over a thousand years..
we know the streath of theses laws ..we know the value of these laws
we love and cherish them
they are stronger than anything that may want to try to replace them..
this rich history gives us confidence that a thousand years of constant struggle of development cant not easy be wiped away or chalenged
the laws are there in ink on real parchment kept saved by our for fathers for our sakes …from King Alfred The great in the 9th century onwards…
ECAW says
“this rich history gives us confidence that a thousand years of constant struggle of development cant not easy be wiped away or chalenged
the laws are there in ink on real parchment kept saved by our for fathers for our sakes …from King Alfred The great in the 9th century onwards…”
But these are powers of deciding who are extremists or not which the government are giving themselves. As such they are extralegal powers which could be used against anyone the government feels like pointing the bone at.
The laws against doing things used to be enough to control us before the best of peoples turned up. We had to accept increasing curbs on our freedoms such as the hate speech laws to protect Muslims from being told the truth for fear of violent reprisals, and now this.
Magna Carta – did she die in vain? Yes, I’m afraid so.
Explanation for Johnny Foreigner here:
Mr UPSIDE DOWN says
ECAW ok ..those powers that limit the ‘British nationist’ or the ordinary citizen ..they cut both ways ..if it wasnt for the rise of the evil of islam we wouldnt see such a hot bed of British nationism anger..
i reality it would be a nicer vision of Europe Britian if EVERYONE respected eachother worked for a more wealthy healthy friendly inclustive society..
that is the hope and the ultimate plan
the fact is there is no going back..it either works out like that or it breaks down..into disorder civil war
now i hope for the all together vision in my heart ..but my reason says islam is so EVIL we will know civil war and destruction
but that possiblity cant stop us from trying for the peaceful vision
also if there is civil war who will win?
the fact is the white race is on a massive declining birth rate even Russia is heading for a massive muslim demograph
the Kurdish brand of islam is fine we can work with that
but i HOPE FOR THE BEST PLAN FOR THE WORST
ECAW says
Mr Upside Down – Please don’t think me totally cynical about these proposals. They could be a start, not because they will work but because they will provoke outrage from those the government think are on our side. That might bring it home to everybody just what we have imported.
It clearly came as a shock to Cameron when Pickles’ grovelling letter to mosques around the country got the same reaction.
I think that the only way to get ourselves out of this situation without civil conflict is to put increasingly severe restrictions on the practice of Islam to see who will accept the Mecca version and who insists on the Medina version, with the added condition “If you don’t like it, piss off”. But that’s not going to happen for several more atrocities yet.
I totally agree with you about the demographic problem. As Paul Weston said, the future belongs to those who have babies.
voegelinian says
I think that the only way to get ourselves out of this situation without civil conflict is to put increasingly severe restrictions on the practice of Islam to see who will accept the Mecca version and who insists on the Medina version, with the added condition “If you don’t like it, piss off”. But that’s not going to happen for several more atrocities yet.
That’s like proposing, in the face of a house on fire, that we advise the flames not to burn.
ECAW says
What nonsense! It’s not worth trying to squeeze any meaning out of to respond to.
Demsci says
//”I think that the only way to get ourselves out of this situation without civil conflict is to put increasingly severe restrictions on the practice of Islam to see who will accept the Mecca version and who insists on the Medina version, with the added condition “If you don’t like it, piss off”. But that’s not going to happen for several more atrocities yet.”//
ECAW. Muslims live in our countries. Mayor Aboutaleb, self-confessed Muslim, says to Muslims: Work with us, but obey the constitution of Holland. If you are against that, please “fck off”.
They can determine among themselves about how they formulate it, with Mecca or Medina, but in the future after more and more atrocities:
there should be distinguishable 2 sorts of Muslims; I. a vaque ordinary kind, simply untrustworthy, believing in faulty MIG-texts (Most Important Guiding) in competition with our constitution, our MIG-texts. the fault of Quran-Sunnah is that they, according to Muslims themselves, are misunderstood, by many, and many totalitarian, dangerous Muslims. But that very ambiguity may give Muslims the opportunity of “democratic interpretation”.
and II. the other Muslims, who then have a quality mark, are the Democratic Muslims. A quality-mark means members can be thrown out. Democratic Muslims can be more trustworthy.
and to the doubters that Muslims cannot adapt to the West;
Democratic Muslims may well consider that: Well, conquering ONLY a part of the West, of the world, is not yet world domination and that is increasingly hopeless to achieve, which hopefully the smarter Muslims begin to understand.
Anyway, the West is not so bad, the Muslims prophit enormously from it and it is, as we know, very appeasing. Much more than Russia and China, the next big enemies, would be.
Saleem Smith says
Mrs.May should go and experience life in an Islamic Sharia state as a Muslim or non-Muslim women. I only wonder whether her favorite color of Burka party dress would be black or white…
We ex-Muslims know that Islam is a severely misogynistic fraud.
Should Women Respect Muhammad and His Islam?
Muslims love to claim that Islam has granted women equal rights. Sadly, this is not true. The Qur’an states several times that women are to be granted less rights then those enjoyed by men.
This article will examine the status of women and their rights according to Islam, as well as some of the many disgusting things that Muhammad said regarding women.
The inherent oppression and degradation of women in Islam is abhorrent. For every good thing Muhammad’s Islam says about women, one can easily find a passage referring to women in the most unkindly of lights. Such is the reality of the fundamentally contradictory religion of Islam. One minute Islam is the perfect religion of peace and justice – the next it commands Muslims to maim, murder and subjugate others. Muslim women should learn the truth about Islam, and fast, if they truly care about their daughters and the future of women in general.
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In controversial verse 4:34 of the Qur’an, men are told to beat their disobedient wives after first warning them and then sending them to sleep in separate beds. This horrendous verse approves of and even sanctions, domestic abuse. As we shall see momentarily, Islamic theology also permits slavery and rape. No person of sound mind and good heart could believe that this is the wish of god. Islam is nothing more than the cult of a long dead, selfish little mad man named Muhammad ibn Abdullah.
Qur’an, 4:34
Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme.
Here is an examination of how other translators render this controversial passage:
Pickthall: “and scourge them”
Yusuf Ali: “(And last) beat them (lightly)”
Al-Hilali/Khan: “(and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)”
Shakir: “and beat them”
Sher Ali: “and chastise them”
Khalifa: “then you may (as a last alternative) beat them”
Arberry: “and beat them”
Rodwell: “and scourge them”
Sale: “and chastise them”
Asad: “then beat them”
Hadith, Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Number 2142:
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
The Qur’an compares women to a field (tilth) that a man is free to use when, and as he chooses:
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Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).
According to Muhammad and his Islam, a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man’s:
002:282 “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her”
The Qur’an permits men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls if they want to do so:
004:003 “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice”
Hadith, Bukhari, Vol. 1, Book 6, No. 301:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o ‘Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.”
The Qur’an allows men to marry pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated.
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Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.
Muhammad was a deranged con man who has betrayed women. Muhammad has betrayed all of mankind, in fact. Here is some more of what Muhammad said and did:
Hadith, Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.”
Hadith, Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3371:
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-‘azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
“By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel’s saddle.” — Ibn Majah 185
duh_swami says
Saleem…Having read your posts for years, I have just one word for you…Thanks…
PJG says
As someone who has read the posts of both of you for many years, my sentiments were at first, “Thankypu, Saleem”, and then, “Here’s to you, duh_swami”!
I have loved you both a long time now…
John says
I am surprised that Obama doesn’t have his electioneering team in the UK already to help insure a leftwing victory. We need to find a place to gather all our leftwing kooks and concentrate them in one area. Perhaps relocate all of them from the US and the UK into Syria and Iraq where they can be one with ISIS?
Joseph says
Robert Spencer is correct again when he wrote in his opening statement; “This attempt to appear to be adopting a tough stance is far too late and just for show. Electioneering already, Theresa?”
I sure hope the Brits don’t fall for it Also in America I know that the politicians will promise to take a tough stance on Islam, but will they deliver? Too bad that there is not some law here in the U.S. that a politician could be bound to hold fast to certain campaign promises. If the do a 180, then they are fired. We(the U.S.) are going to have a lot of closet Muslims running for office, promising one thing and doing another. Politicians lie and cheat ALL the time but this is too important, in fact it is CRITICAL that we draw a line. Our very lives depend upon it.
Lioness says
Right. It’s too little too late. What does she mean by “enough is enough”? What can she actually do about it? Now Britain is flooded with Islamists and no matter what she says will not change the social fabric of that nation. Muslims will be the majority soon, and with them come jihad, rape and crime. Good luck, UK.
sidney penny says
Yes doing things after the horse has bolted.
Yes trying to win votes form ukip
“Battle-hardened and vengeful, 300 jihadists are back in Britain”
What! There should not be one going or one coming back.
“The Home Secretary will say that a future Conservative government will commission an independent review into the operation of Sharia courts in Britain,”
Again,there should only be one law not shariah law and only one court not sharia court.
It does not matter that it is for civil or family disputes.
Again bit too late.( after it has been established under their noses)
“We can debate the extremists, listen to them, scream and shout and insult them. But we must never ban them”
There should be a separate rule for organisation or individuals that advocate violence or threaten to do so.
http://nypost.com/2015/03/22/activist-argues-for-a-complete-reformation-of-islam/
‘In Islam, they are all rotten apples’: Activist ex-Muslim
Salah says
There’s only one way to prove her seriousness: declare the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organisation.
She won’t dare. Qatar and Turkey are protecting the MB, and the U.S. is protecting Qatar, Turkey…and the MB.
Only one man stood to these thugs: Egypt’s Muslim Churchill
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/02/02/egypt-muslim-churchill/
ECAW says
Very true. The MB (and Hizb-ut-Tahrir) have made their intentions towards Western civilisation clear beyond doubt but they have long been tolerated in Britain. I would like to believe that it is all part of some larger realpolitik game which our leaders are playing for our benefit but, given the ignorant things they say about Islam, that seems fairly unlikely.
For instance Theresa May recently said “I never thought I would see the day when members of the Jewish community in the United Kingdom would say they were fearful of remaining here.”
In that case it is clear that Mrs May never thought at all about the likely result of allowing millions of people into Britain whose religion teaches hatred for Jews, or probably is unaware that it does.
Xero_G says
Does this mean the UK will lift the ban on Michael Savage entering the country?
duh_Swami says
T May…“We will no longer tolerate your behaviour. We will expose your hateful beliefs for what they are. Where you seek to spread hate, we will disrupt you. Where you break the law, we will prosecute you.Where you seek to divide us, we will stand united. And together, we will defeat you.”
Sounds like…
Winston Churchill…..we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender….
Heavy…
Caroline says
It continues
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11488175/The-baroness-Islamic-extremists-and-a-question-of-free-speech.html
Ephesian says
Hah! Heard it all before ,too late for you.Is there an election coming up? You bet! Only yesterday I had to visit a nearby city and this is what I saw.Whilst waiting for a store to open,I lost count of the women covered head to foot in black,some completely covered except for a tiny slit so they could see.Without exception,every one of them had kids in tow,the women scowling at me if they caught my eye.On the way back to the car,right outside the front of the shopping centre was a stall set up,inviting people to join islam…and they had quite a few (mostly younger end)people nodding appreciatively whilst some bearded savage spun his lies,right there out on the street.Walking back to the car,further up,I heard music and singing coming from a building with one door open.Curious,I popped my head in,and there was a Church service going on,all the congregation were I think African,singing their praises to their God and as happy as happy could be.”Come in!Come in!” one gentleman said,on seeing me.I declined due to the need to get back to my car or face a hefty fine,but I thanked him and said how comforting to the soul to see Christians being so joyful,and he thanked me to ,in Christ.My point is,the real difference between what I saw on the street and what I saw in that Church….may God bless every one of them there that day.If the muslims get there way a Church such as this will be banned.Our government have tolerated the most intolerant of peoples and if they won’t,or can’t halt this,then the people will have no other choice to do it for them,we have had enough.
Cicero says
Ephesians I cannot agree with you more.
We must courage the black churches in their read of the Christiwn message since the establishment church appears to have rid themselves up in knots in order not to offend our fellow citizens of articulate community.
Once they have saturated a locality , because of their burgeoning demographic their move into the adjacent neighbourhood in order to colonise greater areas. As they have so successfully done in Tower Hamlets they will, by their outlandish dress, hostile stares and aggressive demeqnoru they drive out the non-muslims and proceed to shut down bars, cafes, pubs etc , impose Sharia law ( as inTower Hamlets) and poison all the dogs.dogwalkers are harassed in public until they either move awy or give away their dogs.
TowerHamlets has been saturated. They have now enveloped Newham and Redbridge and are proceeding to defile that well known Essex area Barking and Dagrenham
Ephesian says
Couldn’t agree more,Cicero.I really like the African Christians,they have more faith in their little toe than the head of the Catholic Church or Church of England,both have pandered to muslims,the Pope kissing the quran and C of E vicars holding “multifaith” services.You can’t hold a Christian service in Saudi or any other islamic country,so why do we allow it? that is the whole point,like you say,they saturate an area,the native British move out,more muslims buy up or move into the vacant houses,and who in their right mind would want to live there except another muslim? Also,there are elections coming up and remember what happened last time? Intimidation of voters outside the polling stations,so much so that in some areas there were policemen posted outside to deter such activity.I have never heard such a thing in my life as having to have policemen outside polling stations,and don’t even go there with the Postal voting!I don’t profess to have a crystal ball,but I cannot see this ending in anything but bloodshed,and I’m not the only one.
Charli Main says
@ Ephesian
If I may, I would like to take you back to the appalling murder of Trooper Lee Rigsby because it shows with perfect clarity the difference between Muslims and Christians. After the hacking to death of this unfortunate by two BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIMS ranting verses from the Koran, it was two BLACK AFRICAN CHRISTIAN women that rushed to his aid. These BLACK CHRISTIAN women held the dying Lee in their arms to comfort and protect him, while others stood by and watched.
The fundamental difference between black Muslims and black Christians——those who follow the bible and those that follow the Koran.
Ephesian says
Charli…..oh yes,totally agree,one is of the light and one is of the darkness.I merely pointed out that the congregation in that church were African,as opposed to say,Thai or whatever.Also,as I’m sure you are aware,just because a person is white doesn’t mean they aren’t a muslim,hence no such thing as calling the racist card when they are criticised,as it is a “religion” founded by satan himself.Charli…I remember the killing of Lee Rigby like yesterday….our government is still in denial,they want the muslim vote and don’t want to upset them,they know the muslims can turn things nasty(and indeed have) hence my awful feeling that it will be left to the people to sort this mess out because the government won’t do jack.
george whyte says
Must be an election year. May talks tough, but talk she’s proven to be pretty useless. And good luck actually kicking out folks (and if the UK can, how much will it cost taxpayers in drawn-out legal battles) while still part of the EU and all their love of “human rights”.
AJ Liberphile says
Electioneering doublespeak.
“In a speech in London she will invite all moderate Muslims to join her”. While I hear a lot about these mythical beings, I have never heard a word of their philosophy and how they deal with the overwhelmingly violent and supremacist message of the Koran, Sunna and Hadith. Having no philosphy nor existance beyond politicians’ wishful thinking, it is unsurprising that they have never debated or opposed actual Islam.
Ephesian says
AJ Liberphile…..where’s she holding this speech,in a telephone box…? She won’t have many muslims joining her then if she’s expecting the “moderates” to turn up,what a chuffer! They are indeed “mythical beings” in fact,you’ve got more chance of spotting a Unicorn than “mild Mustafa…”
Camille Desmoulins says
you are all missing the broader point here, that is that these new laws are an extention of the ones that already damage our freedom of speech in the UK. Whilst the intentention to tarket islamist hate speakers is the motivaition here, they give the government some deeply sinister powers.
You in the states frequently get frustrated with the UK, you must understand that we do not have a written consititution or a 1st ammendment protecting our freedom of speech. Since 1997 it as been a criminal offence to ‘upset’ people with ‘hate speech’.
Over the last few years and increasingly recent these hate speech laws have been applied to everyone and anyone for having an opinion. This has politicised our police force and this is why Paul Weston of Liberty GB was arrested when making an election campaign speech quoting churchill.
If these laaws come in they will be used to target anyone who doesn’t toe the centre left ‘mainstream’ opinion.
The irony is that if the laws had allowed us to offend and satirise the Hate Preachers they would have been publically ridiculed for the dark age muppets they are. Instead, it is those critics ho have been silenced, this has elevated islamism to a level where it acts as it wishes and the rest of us have to put up with it.
If she was serious about this she would repeal the hate speech laws, allow these idiots to spout their filth but also allow the rest of us to howl them down in derision without fear of loss of liberty and career.
more here:
http://www.camille-desmoulins.squarespace.com/news/2015/3/20/those-who-legislate-against-our-freedom-of-speech-should-heed-the-example-of-the-white-rose
Ephesian says
I do agree with you on this.Most people think,when they hear there’s a new law being brought in that it will protect them when in fact,it is often used against the very people it’s meant to protect.”I’m all for that” they think,until they realise the law actually applies to THEM,not the muslim.
RonaldB says
“you are all missing the broader point here”
Yes, I think you’re right. A government that can control speech can be co-opted by any interest group. Any laws penalizing thoughts or speech, as opposed to actions, will result in a few years in legal actions being taken against any dissenters, particularly opponents of Islam.
And, you’re correct. The first amendment in the US is a bulwark against tyranny that most other countries don’t have. Unprincipled politicians such as Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are constantly trying to nibble at it, but it stands solid…so far.
Allan says
[The new counter-extremism policy is aimed at tackling radical preachers and individuals who try to brainwash young Muslims and encourage them to embrace extremist views]
That would include Mohammed himself! When will these ignoramuses wake up to this FACT and deal with REALITY? No ‘leader’ should be able to hold office unless they have at least read the Sira (biography) of Mohammed.
Their ignorance is not only frustrating but dangerous and suicidal.
RICHTHOFEN says
More words – more hot air – but there will be no action, except against those who want to explain and expose the evils of islam – those people will be banned from the UK while the islamic hate preachers continue with their dialogue of evil, bile, hatred. She falls into the old politically correct trap of talking about ‘moderate’ muslims which, by their own cult’s rules, cannot exist – there is no such thing. Even if they try to be ‘moderate’, they are guity of apostasy – the punishment for which is death
Proscribe islam, Mrs May – that is the only possible step to prove that ‘the game is up’ – those who are against tgis are free to go nd live anywhere else they choose – so what is the problem? Those people will be far happier in a muslim country than one where their cult is proscribed as an illegal organisation – so, if you really mean this (which, of course, you don’t) Mrs May – proscribe islam, put down the inevitable short-term backlash – get it over with now, rather than the inevitable civil war which decimate our country – delay and obfuscation intensifies the eventual, ionevitable showdown
Eric Jelinski says
If they are serious, then put Choudhary away
matt says
Dear Mr Robert Spencer, I wish to request that you migrate this site’s comment section to disqus if that is possible.
Thanks a lot for the eye-opening
Do you do any training course for someone who wants to become like anti-islamo-apologist? I don’t know what word to use, but something like what you and Geller do.
ECAW says
Disqus – why? It’s an obstacle course and I have a running battle with it. At least the JW system simply works.
dumbledoresarmy says
Not DISQUS! My favourite browser is a bit old – and due to family budget constraints won’t be updated anytime soon – and if I encounter a site with comments in DISQUS, if there are more than a certain number of comments my browser simply *jams* and goes as sloooooow as a wet week.
If jihadwatch switched to DISQUS I simply wouldn’t be able to read or to comment here, at all. It would be impossible, because of just being too glitchy.
marc says
Disqus has been breached, they have leaked personal details of commentators before, who were later hounded by the “lovers of freespeech” and members of “the religeon of peace”, they have also dropped sites without notice, I do not trust them with your privacy, so no, you can’t have Disqus here.
dumbledoresarmy says
Marc – thank goodness you’re staying away from Disqus!
Not because of the security issues…for me it’s technical problems. My old browser – that I *cannot* afford to update, because I would have to buy a whole new computer, which I can’t afford – just doesn’t like DISQUS at al, at all, at all. I am so glad that Jihadwatch doesn’t use disqus, because the current setup seems to work well with my elderly browser, i can read and comment with no problems at all.
marc says
It’s funny how only “right wing” news sources seem to be the only ones physically effected by the privacy issues, Disqus were quick to work with the police, but they were the initial cause of the breaches which seems to have been forgotten along the way http://spnwnewswire.spco.eu/News/20140402-01-news.html
But technically you are right, it’s extremely burdensome on underpowered and older systems, and often you’ll find the whole disqus system is unavailable and and you’ll not be sure if it’s your end or theirs.
dumbledoresarmy says
Try the website “Citizen Warrior”. I think it’s linked on the jihadwatch blogroll – have a look.
It has lots of good ideas about how to talk to our clueless/ naive/ uninformed fellow-Infidels about Islam and is very clear and well presented.
From “Citizen Warrior” you can buy a book called “Getting Through”. (I have got the Aussie edition, which was created for Q Society to use).
I need to reread it myself; I am okay in an internet forum where I have time to slow down and think over my response, but I am not very good in face-to-face conversation with those (non-Muslims) who have been brainwashed into mindless defence of Islam.
dumbledoresarmy says
That comment is addressed to “Matt”.
Paul says
“Electioneering already, Theresa?”. Indeed. I don’t believe a single
word that comes from the mouths of these Saudi- and Qatari funded
scumbag traitors. You’d better stop talking like that, it could upset Anjem
Choudary, then you’ll have to have yourselves arrested.
cs says
Yes, I believe it will come to nothing, much talk and no action whatsoever. You will keep seeing them on TV repeating Islam is peaceful and all the usual crap.
Paul says
As I’ve said before, though I was no fan of Mrs Thatcher,
she’d never have tolerated the problems we have now.
Not only is Qa’moron really vindictive to the poor, but
he also sucks up to the Islamists. Being neither a rich banker
nor a Jihadi, I don’t see anything good about this lot at all.
Paul says
Though that’s not to say the Liberals or Labour are any
better regarding this problem, but we well and truly landed
on our knees the day that that slimy snake oil salesman
somehow slithered his way into power.
vlparker says
“future generations of free Britons, if there are any, will curse your name for delivering their country so easily and willingly into the hands of those who were determined to make it over into an authoritarian Sharia state.”
I think they will be cursing Queen Elizabeth her dhimmi son right along side Ms. May. While the Queen has no political power she has a worldwide soapbox and has said nothing to counter the jihad.
vlparker says
That should say, “and her dhimmi son”.
gfmucci says
She is as clueless as they come. She was bad for Brits. She will be bad for Brits. I don’t think even Spencer and Geller could save Britain at this point. As a famous Muslim-pandering progressive recently said: What does it matter, at his point…yadda yadda…
Linde Barrera says
This comment is for Saber Hassan. It has been my experience (and maybe that of many other ladies) that some men think with their penis. The Quran does not address that!
jewdog says
Knowing Britain, the first group to pay the penalty for hate speech will probably be the EDL.
Baucent says
Dead right.
Ephesian says
And Christians…..
Paul says
The definition of “hate speech” is defined by those who introduce
the legislation, though I am sure that the money our wonderful and
dignified government get from the oil rich Arab states will have no
negative impact whatsoever upon what remains of our Western
liberal tradition.
cs says
You got it right. Poor Muslims, don’t you know people pick on them? So innocent they are.
Mitch says
“The Home Secretary will also introduce “banning orders” for extremist groups, which would make it a criminal offence to be a member of or raise funds for a group that spreads or promotes hatred.”
It’s illegal to be “extreme.” (Extremely what, she doesn’t say.) And as for “hate,” Theresa May has pretty much called Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller hate-group leaders.
This speech sounds like a threat to Brits who financially support Jihad Watch, and maybe even kiosks selling Charlie Hedbo magazines, but I’ll be surprised if many mosques get shut down.
KrazyKafir says
Looks like the quisling is squirming.
Demsci says
I am grateful this “intention” of Theresa May was shown. And at best it is some kind of a start. Yes, brought about by Election-pressure, but that is positive, isn’t it? It’s what’s great about the Democratic system!
But to me too it is woefully shortcoming. Th.May uses, maybe must use, the paradigm, of “some already united society”,
“knowing in large majority, what it is FOR, she mentions “values”. Then she identifies a “significant” “extremist” group, clearly Islamists, as trying to ‘divide us”. She describes them as the negative deviation to the norm of the “normal majority”.
But the big masses are NOT united by values and under the government, they are disinterested, busy with other concerns, and ignorant about values and those who threathen them and that which inspires the extremists. And they are the voters in the previous election.
A silent majority, with their journalists and politicians, who will in a heartbeat ally with enemies against the real people with great values, at countless occasions.
My counter-paradigm, maybe sounding counter-intuitive to many;
yes, there is a totalitarian enemy among us. But consider the big masses, including many journalists, many politicians as the “ordinary citizens”, who are NOT UNITED, because not believing in great values, not knowledgeable about them or it’s mortal enemies, and not obeying these great values.
What in future will be called for is people who REALLY BELIEVE IN GREAT VALUES, which translate in concrete MIG-texts (Most Important Guidelines), which really UNITE them, the minority of the maybe “Accountable Patriottic Democratic Citizens”. And THEIR journalists, and Politicians.
We need not some amorphous mass to be united wholesale, against ONE ENEMY POLE (magnet pole) but we need two POLES, the positive one and a negative one, the enemy one.
Then let politicians kow tow to the positive pole instead of speaking empty words about which the negative pole will only laugh and the silent majority will only forget or ignore, as usual.
Demsci says
“She will appeal to “every single person in Britain” to join her in a new “partnership” to celebrate British values and defeat ignorance.”
But WHO is she? Someone of the government, the conservatives. She is much too un-committed.
No, the “appealer” must be someone else, who clearly defines what loyal Democratic Citizens in Britain, Europe, are in favor of, and those texts should be believed in, known well and obeyed by a particular group, which is committed to it,
distinct from the masses who will not be reguired to swear allegiance to it and will not behave bound by it. That select group can then go on as a movement, members of which can go in Conservative Party and Government and hopefully get a lot of votes.
Isabella van der Westhuizen says
You Brits banned the IRA and sent in the SAS and covert murder gangs to weed out Republicans
It was called Big Boys Rules if I recall
Seems Big Boys Rules are only for the Irish not for the Jihadhis
Caroline says
It seems we are in need of those Big Boy Rules now. We dealt with IRA terrorism and we will fight Islamofacism. Our children’s survival depends on it.
Demsci says
//”She will say: “But to those people who do not want to join this new partnership, to those who choose consciously to reject our values and the basic principles of our society, the message is equally clear. The game is up.”//
Here she sounds just like Mayor Aboutaleb of Rotterdam. But he is a self-confessed Muslim. And at the same time a democratic member of Dutch Labour, which means that he also is a self-confessed Democratic Citizen and loyal to the Dutch constitution.
And the term “moderate” Muslims sounds “despicable” to me, it describes a “tepid” Muslim, a MINO, Muslim In Name Only. No, Aboutaleb simply can and must be called a “Democratic Muslim”. And Muslims should be challenged to expand this one example of it with many more. And in a new “Democratic Muslim Organisation”, with membership-conditions.
Note; I say that that is what Theresa May should be saying to the “moderate Muslims”, I do NOT SAY that that is likely to happen among the Muslims,
But their massive refusal to such a proposal, that is so logically following from assertions by Muslims n their defenders, that they are not “anti-Democratic”, “anti-Western”, would be very revealing to the likes of Theresa May. You see, we should not even accept “neutrality” between Democratic system and totalitarian system from Muslims in the end, which is what we do now, which is what Theresa May in effect still does.
And no, not on pain of deportation, because no country will take our committed totalitarians or those neutrals, but maybe on pain of some penalty-measures.
katherine says
She’s behaving nice for awhile because the elections are near and she needs to ensure that British slave-traders remain in power with their Islamic agenda.
How about showing some concrete action such as removing the ban on Pam Geller and freeing the British media from the grip of Political Correctness? How about calling a spade a spade – say ‘Muslims, and not ‘Asians’ ?
Any bets anyone, on how long she’ll maintain this posturing ?
mortimer says
The very slow education of British politicians is appalling. When will they learn about Islam? Theresa May should read Robert Spencer’s books.
There’s plenty of material on the internet about Islam. Theresa May has no excuse for not knowing Islam is a criminal conspiracy against freedom, equality and human rights.
GeoffM says
Are those politicians simply ignorant…… or willfully so?
The latter in my mind.
They will only countenance what is necessary when the knife is at THEIR throats…
…and then it will be too late.
Mr UPSIDE DOWN says
hi with respect
Britain as hundreds of years expirence with islam /muslims we have had not one not two not three but 4 Wars in Afganistan..ok the massacured 15.000 poorly eqipted rasioned troops wome and childern..but a while latter we went back with heavy field guns and decimated them..they surrendered….
we CREATED PAKISTAN ..we fought and ruled them in Eygpt Sudan.we fought them in the Barbery Wars…we even INVADED IRAN and destroyed her millitary..we ruled iraq….
we had the largest civilian infrasructure in human history ..we understand this culture
they hate us..
all that Empire stuff our great grandfathers were there…we can play smart when we need to
thomas pellow says
If she were honest, Theresa MAY would say is:-
‘ I will ensure that Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer will remain banned from entry to the U.K,
so they will be unable to take part in the Oxford Union debate’ –
‘Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller invited to debate at the Oxford Union’
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/03/robert-spencer-pamela-geller-invited-to-debate-at-the-oxford-union
thomas pellow says
And MAY should add:
‘This ban should appease Islamic interests in the run in to the U.K. General Election on May 7.’
bullfrogger says
Because of the fact that muslims are encouraged to lie ,the only safe way to approach the problem is to assume they are at all times .Therfore ,it is necessary to start chipping away at the convenient labels they hide behind . it must be understood the moderate muslim is a dangerous myth . Anyone who reads the Koran or is exposed to the teachings of islam and decides it is the right place to be, is at that moment a radical . As they rage about western decadence as one reason for their hate ,the reality is that western sexual deviance pales in comparison to muslims . While they hold themselves up as moral superiors , the fact is that the highest use of internet pornography occurs in muslim countries with Pakistan being number one. With that said , nothing they say can be believed and therefore we can make no distinction and must assume all are radical and a threat .
voegelinian says
Yes indeed; however, there still remain many even in the Counter-Jihad who think more or less like Demsci above; and if they use language that sounds robust, there can be palpated an asymptotic “wall” whenever someone tries to press the holistic logic of our predicament, which they are assiduously, anxiously avoiding. Our predicament is caused by Islamic culture, and the twin vectors of Taqiyya and Terrorism. Further data (available from the mountains of data which the Counter-Jihad Softy fails to fully digest, apparently) of the False Moderate only amplifies our predicament.
Our predicament is that because we cannot adequately distinguish the harmless Muslims (even if they exist) from the dangerous Muslims, we must reasonably conclude they are all dangerous (with the danger including the stealth jihad facilitating long-term plots for WMD terror attacks against Western targets in the future).
Demsci says
I can see the Islamic threat. It is a real challenge. But a challenge can be used as an inspiration. Then, when we win, we are better than we were before the challenge came along.
The other way to respond is to defend only. And what would constitute success? That the threat subsides and we see a mere throwback to the situation before the challenge arose; with business as usual?
You use a “we”. You speak like the government and you want to save a whole non-Muslim-population, from a huge Muslim-enemy. But the “we”, the people, they are a vague miscellaneous group. How do you feel about them? Why do you want to save them? When non-Muslims so often disagree with and dislike each other and with you? When they don’t want to be saved? Reject your protection? What unity is there anyway among those “we” you talk about?
The Challenge by Muslims is making us more and more aware of what we in contrast to the Muslims are FOR. And we at first can limit this “we” you talk about to more and more conscious people about what “we” are FOR.
Who unite under Guiding Ideology-texts and who indeed aim to protect their “brothers/ sisters”. Do not only fight the BAD group, also promote A GOOD group in response. By analysing what it is that Muslims think and do wrong and improve upon that! Offer the ignorant masses a good alternative to Islam.
The masses, with the politicians and media THEY empower, all of whom I suspect you don’t even like, that so exasperate you at times, why even try to save THEM?
Uncle Vladdi says
The Qur’an clearly and specifically tells muslims the Bible is wrong and also that all Christians and Jews are infidel criminals who worship a false god, and who must therefore be extorted, enslaved, and murdered for their “crime” of not being muslims:
Sura (Chapter) 47:1-4 of the Qur’an:
1: non-muslims are bad, because they insult allah by dividing his nature;
2: muslims are good, because to them allah is the cause of everything;
3: Allah made them both like that;
4: So muslims should chop off the non-muslims’ heads.
(Allah could have done it himself, but he wants you muslims to do it for him).”
…
It’s all right there, in context: islamic violence is entirely general doctrine-driven, and not at all specific grievance-driven.
And islam is sedition, too.
Islam’s stated goal is to destroy ALL sovereign national governments, which they see as man-made false idols, and replace them with religious sharia “law” (crime) because they claim the Qur’an is ‘god’s’ perfect word, so who needs any merely mortal human legislators – even “democratically elected” ones, to make any laws?
Allowing islam to exist in one’s country is to be an accessory enabling active sedition – it is to be a traitor.
Demsci says
Uncle Vladdi, thanks for stating the worst-case-scenario so clearly.
You also told us that you know Islam well.
It is your view Islam is in essence a world-conquering, anti-democratic ideology.
but we can also see how ambiguous, contradictory, obsolete, incomplete, vague Quran-Sira-Hadiths are and how so many Muslims interpret them differently. A multi-interpretable Islam offers us possibilities.
Any way, I know I sound melo-dramatic; but the Western masses are bringing the Muslim menace upon themselves, they don’t want “democratic defenders” to rescue them. Not yet.
So what if the Muslims topple a few governments and subjugate a few million of these masses? I say let them go, let some territory go. The remaining “masses” will probably only then finally turn and cooperate with Democracy’s defenders.
deja vu says
Demsci: ‘Islam’s stated goal is to destroy ALL sovereign national governments’
Isn’t that also the aim of the NWO? Could that explain the seeming incomprehension of most Western government leaders who are ignoring the reality in order to facilitate the use of Islamic ‘useful idiots’ to do their dirty work? Why else the reluctance to deport the firebrands and criminals, shut off benefits, bulldoze their mosques, and destroy this plague on our free nations before it destroys us?
I cannot think of any other explanation for such collective cowardice and weakness. It can’t be a coincidence that almost all of them are gutless cowards, too blind to see the truth. No true patriot could betray their nation so cold-bloodedly unless there is a hidden agenda.
deja vu says
Apologies – my post should have been addressed to Uncle Vladdi.
BC Proud Islamophobe says
A moderate Muslim can turn into an extreme Muslim in a day. They love to listen to extremist preachers so I question their moderation. A truly moderate Muslim would walk out of a mosque if he hears extremist views, however then his neighbours would say he was unIslamic. In the unlikley event of IS arriving on the shoes of a
Western country who do you think these moderates will fight alongside? IS of course because they know if they fought against them they would be apostates and the first to be executed when IS gains control. They are a fifth column as we used to say
voegelinian says
Even the locution of “turn into” is inadequate — for it implies that there exist Muslims who are not Islamic, then at a certain point become Islamic. This is the Counter-Jihad Softy version of the Mainstream “radicalization” meme.
ECAW says
In hopes of aiding transatlantic communication:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11490076/A-blaggers-guide-to-British-slang-charming-or-bonkers.html
Dag says
I´ve just published an illustrated life story of Demmahom. He is the prophet of the religion of Malsi. My book is called Snootom. I suspect that now it´s past the censors it´s only a matter of time before they figure out that Snootom is Motoons spelled backward. The censors will soon enough figure out that Demmahom, prophet of Malsi is Mohammed, prophet of Islam spelled backward.
If you can deal with satire, and many obviously don´t feel comfortable about it, here´s a link to my book.
http://www.amazon.com/Snootom-D-W-Walker/dp/0987761587/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427136006&sr=1-1&keywords=snootom
I look forward to your comments. I can´t promise to visit you in gaol, though I will wish you all the best. Maybe you won´t go to prison for having my book. Time will tell.
D.W. (Dag) Walker.
Iquitos, Peru.
Armin Vamberian says
Haha we used to discuss that on Fascbook! So you finally did something with it all?
Good on ya!
-Armin Vamberian-
😉
Dag says
Yup, I put out a 200 page illustrated Life of Mohammed, though I wrote it in Samizdat. My next effort isn´t intelligent, witty, or wise. I´m going to publish a few hundred or so obnoxious cartoons from friends and otehrs over the years, and I´m going to rub Muslim noses in it wherever and however I can.
Will it make any difference? Not really. I do this because I can. I mean I can do this because I am unafraid.
For those who want to read satire about Mohammed, a book that insults Mohammed and mocks Islam in a clever, witty, informed fashion, here´s a link to my book:
http://www.amazon.com/Snootom-D-W-Walker/dp/0987761587/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427136006&sr=1-1&keywords=snootom
Armin Vamberian says
Tried to order it yesterday. They won’t let us Canadians have it in hard copy, and for kindle Amazon.ca is telling me something about my “new” country?! Inept tards.
;-(
Dag says
Armin, I went to a lot of trouble to sneak my book past the censors. A few have gotten the book so far. Please try again. If you can´t order it, let me know. You can either email Robert, who has my address and will likely let me know, or you can email me direct.
If in fact you cannot order my book in Canada, that would be a surprising and newsworthy development. It would,in fact, be extremely serious. I think it´s more likely there was a temporary glitch. please try agains and let me and the rest of us know how it goes.
Thanks,
Dag.
Huck Folder says
If I may JW: Good to hear you’re still around Dag.
A friend from the Covenant Zone.
Dag says
Covenant Zone was long ago, but those were good years. I learned more during the time I spent losing debates with Truepeers than during any other single period of my life, I think. But, no. Now, after five years of debating Peers I can pull back and debate my own self successfully. What A time.
Now, for the past four years or so, I live in the Amazon jungle. During the Covenant Zone years I spent a lot of time writing pieces that became, while I was in Sucre, Bolivia, my first book. Sorry to say, I had no control over the editing. I hope to reissue it as soon as I can find a place with an Internet connection at least as good as what i had in Sudan back in 1999. Not here.
In spite of that, I have published my sixth book. I hope you like it. Do you have my email address? You´re certainly welcome to write to me.
mortimer says
No sect of Islam has proven to be compatible with pluralism.
thomas pellow says
For the appeasing Theresa MAY-
“The extremist group behind most of the UK’s terror plots:
Al-Muhajiroun network linked to half of attacks by Britons over past 20 years.
“Group linked to more than 20 plots or attacks carried out since 1997.
“Government has banned them but they morphed into other organisations.
“Expert says group were not taken seriously enough for too long.
“He says the radical Islam they preach inspires terrorists to violence .”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3007180/The-terror-group-UK-s-terror-plots.html#ixzz3VFXwx4Xr
RG says
This woman thinks, very naively, that she can embrace “moderate” muslims and teach them to be GOOD LITTLE DEMOCRATIC MUSLIMS! But, until our Western leaders wake up to the fact that ALL MUSLIMS ARE POTENTIAL JIHADIS we are all going to hell in a handbasket! “Moderate” muslims are just as dangerous as the violent ones – probably more so because they catch people off their guard! It’s time to crack down on islam!!! ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM – ISLAM IS EVIL TO THE CORE – ALL MUSLIMS MUST BE PLACED UNDER CONSTANT SURVEILLANCE wherever they attempt to raise the bloody face OF THIS MONSTER!!
Uncle Vladdi says
HERE’S PROOF THAT ALL MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN OFFICIALLY TRAINED SINCE BIRTH TO LIE TO EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME:
I now know almost everything about islam (unfortunately; although it’s members never cease to amaze and
sicken me with creative new atrocities) simply because it has its core (the Qur’an, 2 sahih and 4 less-so
ahadith, the Sirat, and the 4 Sunni and 1 Shia maddhab fiqhs of sharia) and that’s it.
They cannot add to it, nor “reform” any of it; islam cannot and will not ever change, in any way, because
it’s the “perfect” word of allah, and the metaphoric so-called “gates of ijtihad” (interpretation) have
been closed for centuries!
Surah Al-Ma’idah 5.3 informs Muslims that Allah has PERFECTED Islam. Can perfection be improved? Can
perfection be reformed?? If genocidal conquest is perfect, how can it be eliminated as a sacrament of
Islam???
All muslims are liars. Their creed informs them their god wants them to lie all the time, to everyone* –
to their own families and friends (“to keep the peace”) and of course to their infidel enemies (“to keep
the peace until you are in a position of strength and able to successfully attack them again”). Obviously,
since islam is only an extortion racket CRIME syndicate, they have to lie to them selves, too, in order to
pretend it’s a “religion” in any way; i.e:
“God told us to commit these crimes!”
(Capisce?)!
…
*(Narrated in al-Bukhari, 2546; Muslim, 2605)
It was narrated that Asma’ Bint Yazeed said: “The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon
him) said: ‘It is not permissible to tell lies except in three (cases): when a man speaks to his wife in a
way to please her; lying in war; and lying in order to reconcile between people.’”
muslims are told by allah to LIE TO EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME: (and all “to keep the peace!”) to their own
families and friends, and of course to their “infidel enemies.”
Similarly, one of Mohammed’s own daughters, Umm Kalthoum, testified that she had never heard the Apostle
of Allah condone lying, except in these three situations:
1.) For reconciliation among people.
2.) In war.
3.) Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family.
In other words, “allah wants you to lie to everyone, all the time!”
And, while they amputate the appropriate limbs for theft, not only do they not cut out their own tongues
for lying, but they actively encourage it…yet lying is only the most basic form of theft – it’s the
theft of the Truth. And theft IS crime.
So “allah” is only an immoral thief, just like his creator, Muhammad was.
PS: The ends don’t justify the means – they only ever really DEFINE the end results: If you lie, murder
and steal to get your way, in the end, you’re NOT “a great success” – you’re still really only a lying,
murdering THIEF!
…
“If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But
keep to your oaths (to each other, not to infidels). Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye
may be grateful.” Surah 5:89 (In other words, if you feel guilty about lying, just go on a diet for three
days and allah will forgive you).
“Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in
your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.” Surah 2:225
“Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart
remaining firm in Faith – but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and
theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.” Surah 16: 106
The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabari explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to
Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by
the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, “If they turned, you turn.” (Meaning: if
they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)
3:28 [http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir//3.8052.html], 3:118, 4:89, 4:139, 4:144, 5:51, 9:23, 9:33,
60:1, 60:13
3:28. Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliyâ (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the
believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allâh in any way, except if you indeed fear a
danger from them. And Allâh warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allâh is the final return.
And why would muslims “fear a danger from unbelievers”? Maybe because the muslims have been told they are
so superior to all the non-muslims in the world, that it’s not only their right, but also their holy
responsibility to their god to extort, enslave, and murder them all for their ‘crime’ of not being
muslims? That might upset their victims, so of course they’re supposed to lie in order to be able to
‘defend’ their holy right to continue to commit their crimes against their victims!
Ibn Kathir quotes ahadith which are not included in Khan’s translation but are included in Aisha Bewley’s,
in his explanation of 3:28.
… meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the
disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly,
but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda’ said,
“We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.”
Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, “The Taqiyah (holy deception and lying to infidels to promote the
islamic criime-gang) is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.” (i.e: forever and always).
Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”
Qur’an 66:2 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”
Islam elevates lies and deception to the level of a sacrament.
So, don’t ask a muslim about islam, because it’s inevitable that they will lie to you about it, as they
lie to themselves about it.
Just read their stuff for your self, secure in the knowledge that it is immutable and will never change.
😉
ECAW says
“Surah Al-Ma’idah 5.3 informs Muslims that Allah has PERFECTED Islam. Can perfection be improved? Can perfection be reformed??”
Uncle Vladdi – Glad to see you bringing up 5:3 “This day I have perfected for you your religion…”
It seems to me more important than the verse of abrogation in getting a fix on what the core Islam is and I’m surprised more isn’t made of it. I try to explain why here (since every man and his dog are telling us what real Islam is and isn’t I don’t think any of us need feel shy about throwing our two penn’orth in):
https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2014/12/14/the-real-islam/
Kasey says
Theresa May’s naivety and that of all her predecessors has led to the current situation in Britain despite the warnings of Winston Churchill and Enoch Powell in previous times. To say “the game is up” is ludicrous, it is still in the first half, and looks like it may become a walkover if appeasement is still allowed to run rampant? No “scrap of Paper” will give the British a breathing space at all to confront this menace, it’s almost all over all ready.
Michael Warden says
Perhaps the game is up Theresa in another direction :
http://researchingreform.net/2015/03/08/prime-minister-david-cameron-refuses-to-release-historic-files-on-child-abuse/
dumbledoresarmy says
I read the Daily Mail version of this particular news story.
And then I read the Comments. It took me a while: a couple of hours.
Lots and lots and lots of Comments. More than one thousand of them.
And the majority of those Commenters were as infuriated, as frustrated and as clear-headed about Islam, and the menace represented by the Muslim colonies in the UK, as any jihadwatch regular.
They want the Muslims *out*.
They want those who go to join the Jihad in Syria, to be *prevented from returning*, at all costs.
They want those who want to go to Jihad in Syria, to *not* be stopped from going…but to be prevented from returning.
As a sample of the UK vox populi – with intelligent voices chipping in from places as far afield as India and New Zealand and Australia – it was most illuminating.
There are a very great many ordinary British Infidels who *are* awake.
Watch that space. I don’t see surrender. I see *fury*, building steadily.
ECAW says
In fact, I have found the Mail to be more censorious about comments than the Guardian. I have had comments zapped by the Mail which were allowed by the Guardian, and although I’ve had accounts closed down by the Graun they never threatened to go after me via my ISP if I ever darken their doors again as the Mail has.
Caroline says
That is curious, I had exactly the same thing happen. I have been posting on the Mail site for several years with no problem. I made a post about the Muslim Manifesto, all within their rules, and I got an email barring me, with threats to contact my employer it I posted again. Well, I am self-employed and I signed up for another account using a different email address which I am using with no problems. Don’t mention the. Muslims, or else.
Mr UPSIDE DOWN says
THAT RIGHT Caroline Asymetric ‘Warfare’ be cunning like the fox
ECAW says
There’s an interesting exchange starting in the comments section of the Guardian as we speak with an anti-fascist fascist revealing his fascism. He needs more guidance from everyone here.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/23/talking-english-defence-league-afzal-amin#comment-49385892
Mr UPSIDE DOWN says
that is heartening to hear…its a western wide phenomenon of awakening…
GeoffM says
Simply politics. Tell the voters what they want to hear and then business as usual after the elections.
We fall for it in the UK, US, Europe time and time again.
Cameron promised to slash immigration – it’s gone up. We were to have a vote on EU membership – that never happened. We were to withdraw from the HR laws and be able to expel foreign criminals and terrorists – still waiting.FGM was criminalised years ago but despite an estimated 60,000 victims (mainly muslim women) not a single prosecution has happened despite the ease of checking all schoolgirls, and patients. Halal meat is still flooding the markets and we are specifically DENIED the right to know how our animals are slaughtered.
Now they promise to clamp down on Islamists after years of vilifying people who spoke out about them.
They can’t even throw foreign terrorists out and even now, not far from me, a mass murderer in the Rwandan war lives freely – he cannot be returned for “his own safety”. Human Rights don’t ya know!
Politicians will NOT save us. Only WE can do that.
Look at this “sting” by Tommy Robinson on a Conservative politician.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FYgq44FyqU
Our politicians are our enemies – no matter what they tell us.
JohnPent says
Theresa May actually has it wrong.
The “game” is not over at all. It’s just been moved to America, in the open arms and encouragement of our deal leader, Barack Obama.