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Video: Robert Spencer, Raymond Ibrahim, and Bruce Thornton on the advancing jihad

Mar 13, 2015 5:52 am By Robert Spencer

On Saturday, March 7, 2015, at the David Horowitz Freedom Center’s West Coast Retreat in Rancho Palos Verdes, California, Bruce Thornton, Raymond Ibrahim and I spoke on the topic “Jihad on the Offensive.” It was a special live-audience edition of the Glazov Gang, with Jamie Glazov himself in the moderator’s chair.

This is an especially good one — don’t miss it.

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  1. Maria says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 6:42 am

    Half of the Muslims in the world are ILLITERATE. That is from an Islamic source.

    The majority of Muslims are poor and barely surviving.

    Also the majority of Muslims don’t know or live by Christians or Jews or Hindus.

    Most Muslims cannot read the Quran because they don’t know Arabic.

  2. Omar BEDDALI says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 9:16 am

    Islam is worse than nazism. A german person was not necesarily nazi, but, in theory, a muslim become mechanicaly islamist. So comparing islam with nazism is not relevant.

    • mortimer says

      Mar 13, 2015 at 10:14 am

      If Hitlerism had continued 100 years after Adolf’s death, he would have been turned into a saint like Mohammed was. Hitler’s speeches would have been made into a holy book like the Koran. The similarities are remarkable. Hitler killed himself, but Mohammed was murdered by his two closest lieutenants who seized the leadership after the assassination.

      • terry says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 11:40 pm

        “Islam is worse than nazism”

        You’re right, Omar! One fundamental important difference between the two is that, Islam and the Quran for their believers, are the ultimate expression of God’s will and desire. Hence the emotional intensity and attachment of their believers are elevated to unmatched levels.

        Actually, the emotional intensity and attachment experienced by someone believing in Nazism, Communism or any other human ideology, for that matter, won’t even come close to that of Muslims believing firmly and sincerely that the Quran is God’s word!

  3. Gary says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 10:05 am

    Oh Muslims, Here is the solution to your futile quest for subjugation of the unbelievers….

    Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

    Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

    When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

    Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

    So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

    Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

    But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

    For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

    While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

    Hebrews 3:7-15

  4. Beagle says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 10:12 am

    Though otherwise irritating, Bill Maher is a name which came to mind as an answer to the final question. At no small risk to his progressive bona fides he continues to attempt to inject some truth into the grand deception which is the modern conversation on Islam. But despite his decades spent as a reliable leftist mouthpiece, he is called the same names as anyone on the Right would be.

    • Joe Shmo says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 1:20 pm

      Agreed, his name occurred to me to. Maher deserves huge appreciation and respect for the stand he’s taken. Hopefully his words are part of a trickle of truthtelling in the mainstream media that will become a huge wave. I can see it happening (eventually).

      “In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” George Orwell

  5. Nat says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 10:28 am

    Hi everyone I’m new to Jihad Watch. Frankly all the news about the creeping Islamofascist satanic death cult around the world gets me so depressed. How do you guys deal with it?

    • eib says

      Mar 13, 2015 at 10:59 am

      Many of us have faiths of our own, and many others study the West and its unique history and culture, thereby gaining courage and inspiration to resist Islam. We know that the armed man is not the bravest person in the room, that the faith that destroys will destroy itself.

    • Gary says

      Mar 13, 2015 at 12:10 pm

      Greetings Nat,

      The depressing news you read regarding Islam is much like going through the first-hand experience of major trauma…… It can be become overwhelming. Too much for the soul to handle. You need to find and seek out a refuge. A “Hiding Place” for the soul. I suggest you read the book of John in the New Testament as a way to deal with the attacks of the enemy. And don’t fool yourself – Satan is the enemy of your soul. He will attempt to distract you from the salvation and peace offered through Jesus Christ and His blood shed for you, by utilizing every means within his power.

      The good news….

      You can experience peace.

      “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”

      John 16:33

      So where can you experience peace? Look closely at the verse above…. (In Him)

    • ECAW says

      Mar 13, 2015 at 12:21 pm

      Good question Nat. It’s easy to get overwhelmed and dispirited. I have a two pronged approach, to do what little I can to raise the alarm but also to cultivate detachment. I have two guides in this:

      Firstly Krishna who says to Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita ” You are entitled to the work not the reward” or something like that.

      Secondly, this lot:

      • AJ Liberphile says

        Mar 13, 2015 at 4:56 pm

        Indeed, seconded. I’m writing a book about how to defeat jihad including several mentions of Monty Python, Arjuna and Krishna (and Christ of course). Interestingly I’ve got 33 chapters about the problem but have avoided writing anything yet about the solution… just now coming

        Keep up with your true spiritual tradition! Keep praying, meditating and reading!

    • Cynthia in California says

      Mar 13, 2015 at 5:05 pm

      I continue with the community service work I’ve done for many years: knitting or crocheting “chemo hats” for men, women, and children, or making quilts for veterans and/or children. I hand these items personally to the people who will distribute them to the recipients, and I trust the distributors.

      I can’t take care of everyone, but I can help some, and I do.

      For self-restoration, I garden and take care of my pets and my house. One can look at a house either as a money-eater *or* as an object of care which in turn shelters oneself. This latter view is helpful while doing the sweaty work.

      Unfortunately, I can’t give recommendations on religion, since my religious readings are almost all oriented to the historical, developmental, and comparative strands of world religions. I find something of value in *almost* each one, but esp. Judaism (monotheism, general ethics) and Buddhism (the two spokes called compassion and service). I was raised Christian through 8th-grade confirmation, but the minister involved was so abusive to me in confirmation class and so horrible in general that it completely destroyed any faith I might have had in a Savior Who chose such a terrible vessel to transmit the Word. No.

      Direct relationship with God made more sense, as did Judaic belief and ethics. However, any Jewish ancestry I have is on the “wrong” side of the family (mother’s father, father’s mother’s antecedents) that I could not be considered Jewish except by Orthodox conversion.

      Take what you will from my suggestions on getting through the initial submersion into Jihad/Counterjihad. I’m still pretty new myself: I just discovered this movement in January due to the Charlie Hebdo massacre. I was, frankly, relieved to find that there *was* such a movement. I’ve been drowning in PC-ness in Northern California for a very long time….

      • Bradamante says

        Mar 13, 2015 at 7:17 pm

        Hi Cynthia Glad you’ve joined the movement. I think with each new outrage, a few more people will wake up. For me it was the Boston Marathon bombing. Before that, I was a typical lifelong Democrat who thought opposition to the Ground Zero Mosque was just racism. After 9/11, I wore hijab on Fridays to show support for Muslim women who I was sure were being harassed. Now I read JihadWatch. As time goes by, jihadists are going to keep showing the world what their religion is all about, and more people will see it for what it is. I just hope people wake up in time.

      • mezcukor says

        Mar 14, 2015 at 11:11 am

        welcome Cynthia. I am also taking care of a house and pets but in Michigan. This is a great site and has kept me sane.I learned a lot about Islam on this site and the truth about it.I was raised as a conservative and a Catholic. But I am not very religious. California must be hard to deal with being so liberal.So good luck on this site.

    • jay says

      Mar 13, 2015 at 6:36 pm

      Try to remember not all hope is lost. Take a break from it all when you notice it starting to get to you. Don’t read any news at all and just take a breather. Also read the positives, there are movements forming, people fighting back, etc. Don’t get overwhelmed by the frightening and depressing, try not to obsess on it either.

    • Demsci says

      Mar 13, 2015 at 8:45 pm

      Hallo Nat, good question. Well, there is a lot of diversity here.

      I am very glad with the efforts of Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, David Woods, Ali Sina, Ayaan, Maher etc. Some of us must guard our beloved democratic system and the rest of us, I know.

      But I also am optimistic. Bad news dominates, because it sells, because it demand urgent attention to problems, but good news is seen as boring and anyway non-urgent. So we humans have “negativity-bias” and often bad predictions do not come true. But I like to look out for good news and let it cheer me up.

      One bit of good news I consider: The fall of oil prices, as a result of American Shale Oil and Gas production “explosion”. This is favorable for America, and many Democratic Nations who must import oil and now can reduce imports or expenditure on oil. While Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, our enemies, will suffer from these lower oil-prices, which seem “here to stay”.

    • Joe Shmo says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 1:27 pm

      Hey Nat,
      In reply to your question: I try to do something about it. The jihad and it’s counter movement has filled me with a sense of mission. For one thing, I tell friends and strangers about the danger and encourage them to find out about Islam for themselves. I try not to be rude or overdo it, I think the truth can be told quietly, it will generate its own volume eventually. People are becoming more and more receptive to the truth as well. I encourage you to use your individuality and freedom to find ways of opening people’s eyes. Myself, I’m making a book about freedom to help show people what it means and how it was won. Fighting for freedom is never in vain. Take heart!

  6. Tony says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 11:05 am

    Join Hamas’s TWITTER PARTY

    #askhamas, and do you get a special package deal with ISIS?

  7. Bradamante says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 11:56 am

    Nat, I cope in a few ways. One is by reading JihadWatch. Seriously. I do other things to try to get the word out, because merely passively reading JihadWatch won’t help the cause that much, but when I start to feel like I’m in some gruesome remake of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, like I’m all alone and no one else in the world knows about the threat, seeing JihadWatch get updated and seeing the comments reminds me that I’m not actually the only one.

    I’ve also joined ACT for America, and whenever there’s an opportunity to go to a public event that has other counterjihadists, like a talk by Robert Spencer or Brigitte Gabriel, I go. I hope that the day will come when there are enough of us that we can interact with others face to face and in large groups frequently, instead of feeling like we’re huddled by ones and twos in scattered locations around the country. But the bottom line is, maintaining contact with other people who share the concern keeps my spirits up, or at least keeps me from completely freaking out. 🙂

    • Cynthia in California says

      Mar 13, 2015 at 5:06 pm

      Hear, hear.

    • PatnCats says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 12:41 pm

      yes, these folks have a good question on ‘how to cope’. I started investigation this ‘religion of peace’ about 18 months ago, as I was hearing ‘islam is the religion of peace’ and I was not seeing this peace it on the news – beheadings, suicide bombings, hatred for Isreal, Holocaust denial, attacks and murders of Jews and Christians and anyone else who sought the truth behind the facade of islam’s face. Awful and terrifying, which is what islam is. Yes, reading John helps. I go to a weekly Bible study at my church. Enjoy the hymns on Sunday. We pray for the persecuted and murdered people. Helps to not be overwhelmed by the horror of islam, but educate oneself and be aware.

  8. Bradamante says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 12:06 pm

    Very interesting panel. I think it’s especially good to talk about the weird psychology we’re continually dealing with, so I liked the question and discussion about why so many Muslims take the stance “Islam isn’t violent, and if you keep saying it is, I’ll kill you.” I think it goes along with a narcissistic state of mind. The violence of Islam doesn’t count as violence because it was “provoked” (by people observing the violence). It’s like the classic abuser “I hit her because she kept calling me a bully.”

    The other thing I find fascinating is the level of denial among Muslims. Some Muslims seem to genuinely not know what is in their books, and then when it’s pointed out to them, they get angry or (online) stop replying. I’ve had Muslims online go completely hysterical denying that there’s any such *thing* as a movement — anywhere in the world — to rebuild a Caliphate. (This was back before IS.) When I offered links to various pro-Caliphate sites, they got more hysterical. I’ve had at least one Muslim sincerely urge me to read a specific classic book of Islamic practice and see for myself how peaceful it is. When I found the book they cited and asked what was up with the horrific calls for jihad warfare against unbelievers — I quoted specific paragraphs from the very book they told me to read — I got silence. I’m reaching the conclusion that we’re dealing not only with supremacism, hatred, etc. but with a whole lot of mental illness. I don’t mean only the usual “Anyone who would believe this awful stuff has got to be crazy” but also the twists and turns and mental contortions I see Muslims going through so that they can say that black is white and down is up. It’s frightening but also fascinating.

    • RonaldB says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 9:39 am

      ” I’m reaching the conclusion that we’re dealing not only with supremacism, hatred, etc. but with a whole lot of mental illness.”

      Thanks for sharing your experiences and observations, Bradamante. The whole practice and belief system of Islam is convoluted, illogical, and vicious, it’s hard to see how a functioning intellect could sincerely believe in Islam. And yet, there are not only billions of Muslims, but those who show every sign of being decent humans, who continue to call themselves Muslim.

      I had a similar experience in the ’70’s,with a relative who was an extreme leftist. She would not argue logically, but gave me a subscription to the movement newspapers, which I read. When I quoted them to her, she simply stopped the subscription.

    • Demsci says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 4:10 pm

      Well observed, Bradamante,

      Here in Rotterdam I have (had) quite a lot of Islamic colleagues and quite a lot of discussions with them over the years. My experiences mirror yours.

      Muslims, who on other matters think quite logical, twist in agonizing denial when we kuffars try to argue reasonably with them. The atmosphere often get’s tense and most of the time the Muslims cut off the discussions with some excuse. Although quite often it is they with some “teasing” remark about “bad Westerners, Israeli’s” start discussions. And let’s face it, with most Westerners they get away with their lies and obfuscations. For me, those who know my knowledge about Islam and history, they now show healthy respect and avoidance of heated discussion.

    • terry says

      Mar 14, 2015 at 11:24 pm

      That’s true Bradamante, Islam makes its believer mentally ill!

  9. Ricky Black says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 12:25 pm

    And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of GOD, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, Revelation 20:4

  10. Jeff says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    Great panel. I Hope to make it to one of these events some day. Thanks for all you do.

  11. Nat says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 1:30 pm

    Thanks all! Very good advice. 🙂

  12. bill says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 7:30 pm

    re. the vicar who prayed in church with Muslims. Don t he know Allah is a god of fortresses and a moon god .islam s god is the devil. not the true one and only God of the bible.

  13. the vilest of creatures says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    Here is an insight into Muslim psychology.
    Unlike Christians who endlessly mull over and discuss the meaning of Biblical passages or Jews who do the same with their Torah, for Muslims the Koran is not just a book of words, ideas, instructions etc. , it is first and foremost a holy object ( same as the one Allah keeps by his bedside ). It is in fact an idol and its mindless recitation is an act of ritual idolatry similar to the rituals the pagans devoted to their idols.
    The pagan idol worshipers would probably not dare to wonder about what their idols were made of or who made them etc as that would destroy their magic powers. In the same way Muslims would not dare to think deeply about about their idol the Koran, particularly knowing that all seeing, all knowing Allah was watching.
    So to think at all about the Koran, except in ways sanctioned by the “scholars” would be flirting with blasphemy and eternal hellfire.
    Furthermore many better educated Muslims must have an inkling in the back of their mind that their idol is phony and indefensible in the modern world.
    And so the safe thing is to supress all thought and keep it at bay with a belligerent stance against the unbelievers

  14. Brian Ozzy says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    All the so called “moderate” muslims are really irrelevent in the overall equation until such time as they become active jihad participants. They do not follow the demands of their so-called holy book and are therefore apostates and deserve to die according to the same holy book. I wonder how many of them realise the punishment that awaits them in allah’s torture chamber. They certainly will not get a pass into the great brothel in the sky.
    If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, “the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire” (Sura 9:81).
    A Muslim must “fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him” (Sura 22:78)
    – Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).
    9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”
    Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-“

  15. Karine says

    Mar 13, 2015 at 11:37 pm

    Brilliant. Thank you.

  16. Lesley says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 9:58 am

    Brilliant interview. Frankly, I don’t think that we should underestimate the evil that the ideology of Islam (or submission, as I prefer to call it) among western converts.

    I had a very strange experience with a Muslim convert a few years ago, and now that I have more knowledge of Islam (submission), it makes perfect sense to me. The nature of this ideology will divide those who embrace it from the rest of western society, even though they are perfectly educated and literate, and have had the benefit of growing up in an egalitarian society (relative to any country in the Muslim world).

  17. RonaldB says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 9:58 am

    I thought the panel was excellent, and all the panelists were knowledgeable and insightful.

    I was particularly impressed with Ibrahim’s observation that Muslims are impressed by power, and so the groveling to Islam by our President and other government officials when they deny the Islamic nature of ISIS, actually encourages Muslims to become more aggressive, since they see the weakness of the West in relation to an aggressive, openly vicious Islamic movement.

    I do have one question I always want to ask a panel of Islamic experts.

    Robert Spencer, for one, is always asking Muslims to repudiate violence and jihad on the basis of Islamic scripture.

    I’m sure Robert is aware that the Islamic sect, the Amadiyyas, claim to do just that. The Amadiyyas claim full status as Koran-adherent, Muhammed-revering Muslims, who juggle and slide Koranic teachings so they claim that Islam actually renounces violence and embraces free choice. In other words, they claim the status not as reformers, but as adherents to the original doctrine.

    Other Muslims consider Amadiyyas as apostates, and persecute and kill them every chance they get.

    My question is this: have Islamic experts studied the teachings of the Amadiyyas at all, and do the experts consider the teachings as worthy of refutation?

    I think that if the Muslims ever begin to lose the battle of political supremacy in the West, they will turn to teachings like those of the Amadiyyas to show that canonical Islam is by its nature nonviolent and tolerant.

  18. Lesley says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 9:59 am

    *encourages from western converts… correction for my previous post)

  19. BringBackTheCrusades says

    Mar 14, 2015 at 11:12 am

    Great panel!!
    1. Bobert’s commentary on ‘The future does not belong to those who slander [talk about the horrific truths of the prophet and the teachings of] Islam’ was great. I truly did not appreciate the gravity of the situation the US finds itself with such a statement from the POTUS.
    2. The analogy of why Turkey embraced western mores and rejected Islamic practices by Bruce Thorton & [the gentle giant] Raymond Ibrahim were excellent. If the western world continues to lead from behind and remain lost in its multiculturalism mindset then Islam will continue to spread and wreak havoc throughout the world.

  20. Georg says

    Mar 18, 2015 at 1:25 am

    I really enjoyed this discussion, it was one of the first times I’ve heard Raymond Ibrahim speak; he is very articulate and presents his arguments very convincingly not just because they’re substantial but because of a his intellectual disposition.

    Robert is great as always. I have to say his opening crack about always bearing bad news was pretty hilarious. A little gallows humor keeps the gears greased and lets in the oxygen.

    Brilliant stuff!

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