Female genital mutilation “is a Central African problem. Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It’s a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It’s a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue.” — Reza AslanOops. Wrong again, and not just about Eritrea and Ethiopia being in Central Africa.
This Al Jazeera article calls FGM a “cultural” practice, but actually it is sanctioned by Islamic law: “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — ‘Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64
“Female genital cutting in Thailand’s south,” by Gabrielle Paluch, Al Jazeera, April 2, 2015:
Yala, Thailand – “Just a little,” Dr Patimoh Umasa says, pinching the tip of her finger showing how she cuts the clitorises of small girls.
Dr Umasa runs a small clinic on Yala’s main drag, just down the street from a bombed-out building, near the edge of the Muslim quarter.
As one of the few female doctors in the city, she is the one everyone goes to for sunat – the practice of female circumcision, which the World Health Organisation (WHO) classifies as female genital mutilation (FGM).
“Just an incision to leak some blood, no excision of flesh,” Dr Umasa says, using her grey cat, asleep at the clinic reception, to demonstrate the way she holds the girls still before she cuts them.
“It takes three people, see? The mother holds the baby up here for comfort, and an assistant holds the legs open like this,” she says, spreading the cat’s legs apart and pinning them down to the counter.
She adds: “And then with my left hand I spread the labia, and with my right hand I pull back the clitoral hood, and slice.”
Umasa uses a sterile size-11 surgical blade, and performs the procedure for free, because she says its a religious procedure.
“The babies cry,” she says, “but not much. They don’t have any lasting health complications.”
Like others, Dr Umasa believes that the procedure, if done by a doctor, should not be considered mutilation.
“If it’s done by a trained doctor, they are using the right technique, then never mind!”
In the past, traditional birth attendants performed sunat on the newborn baby girls a few days after birth.
Wamae Tahe is a 65-year-old retired midwife who says in the 23 years she worked in Yala, she performed sunat on almost all female babies whose births she attended.
“But now babies are born in the hospital, so I no longer do cutting, because mothers are afraid to have it done at home,” she says.
“It’s important to be careful and not hurt the baby’s vagina! But I wasn’t concerned that I was harming the baby. They cried a little, but it must be done.”
She says on two occasions she performed the procedure on girls over the age of 18, which she said made her very nervous.
Off the radar
Dr Umasa says she performs anywhere between 10 and 20 procedures a month, and the figure is rising as women increasingly give birth in hospitals.
The practice of female genital cutting in southern Thailand is virtually undocumented, and the prevalence is unknown as there is no reliable data available. But Dr Umasa believes it is universally prevalent.
Dr Sudarat Teeraworn is a maternal health supervisor for the department of public health in Yala province, and she says the issue of female genital mutilation is completely off the Thai Health Ministry’s radar.
Adding to this, Dr Teeraworn says, it’s just simply not a topic of discussion: many women do not even know if they are “cut” since most of the procedures are performed during infancy.
“There are no laws or regulations surrounding the practice, and the Health Ministry doesn’t say anything about it or study it because it’s not harmful – it’s a cultural phenomenon. If it’s cultural and not harmful, then what can we do about it?”
Dr Teeraworn says there have been no prevalence studies done in Thailand, but believes the prevalence in border provinces is probably similar to the FGM’s prevalence in Malaysia.
An unpublished study conducted in 2011 by the University of Malaya’s department of preventive medicine in Malaysia found that 93 percent of Muslim women in Malaysia have undergone the procedure.
Though not comprehensive, the numbers for Kelantan state, which borders Thailand, are similar….
Imam Abdullah Abu-Bakr of the Committee of Islamic Council of Yala says Muslims in the south are more observant than their co-religionists in Bangkok, because there are more foreign-educated imams and fewer distractions, such as the entertainment hub of Bangkok.
He himself was educated in Syria and Malaysia.
Thailand’s fatwa committee has not issued a fatwa surrounding the practice of sunat, but Imam Abdullah says everybody knows the practice is required for boys, typically in a public ceremony around age seven, and though is not absolutely required of women, it is something all women should do.
He says the way it is currently practised is not harmful, and is key to a Muslim’s cultural identity.
“You must peel a banana before you can eat it,” Abu-Bakr says, “and for women, it will reduce their wildness, making them clean and strong.”
ECAW says
“You must peel a banana before you can eat it”
Have you ever heard anything more disgusting in your entire life?
A similar article by the same author appeared in the Guardian a few days ago:
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/apr/01/thailand-muslim-south-authorities-blind-eye-fgm-who
The Guardian is in a tricky situation here since they have to reconcile their two articles of faith – FGM bad, Islam good. Normally they do it by pretending that FGM is “just a cultural practice” but here they make no bones about it being a Muslim requirement:
“Peung is pleased her daughter is now “complete”, but she isn’t sure why. “I don’t know what the benefit is behind it, but I believe there must be one. I know the prophet said it is desirable for the husband when women are cut.”
Perhaps the light is finding its way in even in Guardianland.
Robert says
When is this savagery gonna end for good?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The savagery will end once and for all when the Supreme Leader gets his nukes, and then the Saudis and Egyptians follow suit along with several other Moslem countries. Nuclear holocaust will let the Twelfth Imam finally rise up from the well to put things right, and all the mass murdering will finally be done with.
Meanwhile, the men of Dar al-Islam lop off the clitoris of women to deny them any pleasure from copulating with them. Islam is a one-way street in so many ways, and it’s always headed downward.
Champ says
islam is a mutilation of the body, mind and soul …
Rita says
Australia’s biggest media outlet, HUGELY paid par the tax payer, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (who in my opinion are no longer the 4th Estate but the 5th Column) has as resident “Expert on Islam” Waleed Aly who actually defended Boko Haram and dismissed it (after the slave raid on those poor little schoolgirls) as a not well known small group of no real significance. When REZA ASLAN to whom you refer above, was interviewed by them as an expert on “Jesus was muslim and/or a Bigot” the ABC treated him like a WORLD EXPERT on Jesus, Islam etc.
You also mention AlJezeera, another increasingly omnipresent propagandist. Australia’s Taxpayer funded media (the ABC and the SBS) are using this “source” so much that it has become their main “news source” – not only that, when they actually produce some news of their own, they out-alJezeera AlJezeera itself.
And speaking of muslim male satisfaction, here is another “nothing-to-do-with-islam” piece of whatsit:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0ikAZWIYAMRQUy.jpg:large
Holy Prophet APF says
The quote from the Ayatollah Khomeini (Persia’s former Supreme Leader, who is not to confused with its present Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei) on your link was the legalization of what Moslems refer to as thighing, where a Moslem man fondles the thighs of the little baby or toddler and masturbates.
Another legalization from the Ayatollah was to lower the legal age of sexual intercourse in Iran from 16 down to 9. But trouble emerged, with Moslem men cheating the new system and taking girls much younger, in a move down the age scale towards thighing but with penetration.
These are the wondrous innovations of Islam, one of the world’s great religions, one of the three Arbrahamic faiths. Everybody should click your link, read its contents, and mull the agreement we just made in principle with… Iran. Child sex abuse is not all that far from the concept of mass murder on the grandest of scales, both are totally amoral.
Jay Airahs says
Moral relativist university professors will proudly say “If Islam says it is ok, let us just reevaluate”
gravenimage says
APF wrote:
…taking girls much younger, in a move down the age scale towards thighing but with penetration…
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APF, the Ayatollah Khomeini has that covered, too, in his Little Green Book, as I’m sure you’re aware. It is fine if a man physically damages a little girl or baby irreparably, just so long as he does not marry her and supports her until her death.
And how often do you suppose pedophiles actually bother with the second part of this vicious faustian bargain—a bargain in which the victim has no say?
shabeer_hassan says
ISLAM & MARRIAGE
[017:034] Come not nigh to the orphan’s property except to improve it, until he attains the ”age of full strength”; and fulfill (every) ”engagement”, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).[MARRIAGE IS AN ENGAGEMENT]
024:059] But when the children among you ”come of age”, let them (also) ask for ”permission”, as do those senior to them (in age): Thus does God make clear His Signs to you: for God is full of knowledge and wisdom.
24:58. O you who believe! Let your legal slaves and slave-girls, and those among you who have not come to the *******age of puberty ask your permission******* (before they come to your presence) on three occasions;
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 8 :: Hadith 465
Narrated ‘Aisha:
(the wife of the Prophet) I had seen my parents following Islam since****** I attained the age of puberty********. Not a day passed but the Prophet visited us, both in the mornings and evenings. My father Abii Bakr thought of building a mosque in the courtyard of his house and he did so.
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 101
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Allah’s Apostle said, “It is essential to have the *****consent of a virgin (for the marriage)****. I said, “A virgin feels shy.” The Prophet; said, “Her silence means her consent.” Some people said, “If a man falls in love with an orphan slave girl or a virgin and she refuses (him) and then he makes a trick by bringing two false witnesses to testify that he has married her, and then ****she attains the age of puberty ******and agrees to marry him and the judge accepts the false witness and the husband knows that the witnesses were false ones, he may consummate his marriage.”
Men/women acquire the knowledge of sex after the puberty:
FOR MARRIAGE GIRL MUST PASSED THEIR PUBERTY LEVEL.
Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3426
Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4460
Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2098
Dawud :: Book 19 : Hadith 2979
Women permission required for marriage:
Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2091
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) allowed her to exercise her choice.
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 99,98,100, 101
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 85 :: Hadith 78,79
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 51 :: Hadith 25
Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3303 ,3305,3306,3307,3308
Dawud :: Book 11 : Hadith 2076, 2077,2088,2091,2095
Malik :: Book 28 : Hadith 28.11.25
Malik :: Book 28 : Hadith 28.2.4
PROPHET MUHAMMAD SA SAYS
Dawud :: Book 29 : Hadith 3952
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: **************The child of adultery is worst of the three.**************
ACCORDING THE ABOVE LAW ISLAM AGREED MARRIAGE WITH GIRL 1)HER PERMISSION REQUIRED (MORAL) 2) SHE PASSED HER PUBERTY LEVEL(SCIENTIFIC)
CHALLENGE III :
IS ANY RELIGION ON EARTH (EXCEPT ISLAM) THAT AGREED /PROMOTE TWO CONDITION OF MARRIAGE (GIRL PERMISSION,PUBERTY) IS THERE ,PLZ BRING IT TO HERE & PROVE IT WITH SCRIPTURES EVIDENCE WE 1.7 BILLIONS MUSLIM READY TO ACCEPT THAT RELIGION /CULTURE,PLZ BRING IT ,ONLY ” ONE IS ENOUGH ” “ONLY ONE VERSES IS ENOUGH ”
OR PUBLIC APOLOGY REQUIRED FROM SALEEM SMITH TO ALL MEMBERS WHO SAYS PROPHET MUHAMMED SA A PEDOPHILES
ROBERT SPENCER & GANG IF U AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF COMMON SENSE PLZ ADVICE THE REAL CRIMINALS THAT I PROVE WITH ” VALID EVIDENCE ”,BEAT THEM WITH
LONG STICK & SAYS
Dawud :: Book 29 : Hadith 3952
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet MUHAMMED (peace_be_upon_him) said: **************The child of adultery is worst of the three.**************
Child sex tourism :
Thailand : 40% of prostitutes are child in Thailand
Northern Italy: 40% of prostitution affects minors.
Cambodia: 1/3 of prostitutes are child
India : 1.2 million child prostitutes
Brazil: 1.2 million child prostitutes
United States: Between 244,000 to 325,000 child prostitutes.
China: It is estimated that there are between 200,000 and 500,000 child prostitutes.
Mexico:16,000 children in Mexico were involved in prostitution
Sri Lanka, there are nearly 40,000 child prostitutes
In the Philippines, there are 60,000 to 100,000 prostituted children
In Nepal approximately 30% of them were found to be children.
in Vietnam, and 20,000 of these are children.
in Ukraine, research has shown that between 30 and 40 percent of prostitutes are between 11 and 18 years
in Russia approximately 20 to 25 percent of Moscow’s sex workers are minors.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sex_tourism
wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_of_children
wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse
Teenage pregnancy: Countries Compared
1 United States 494,357 births
2 Poland 30,413
3 Germany 29,000
4 Canada 19,920
5 France 17,985
6 Japan 17,501
7 Australia 11,849
8 Spain 11,264
9 Italy 11,153
nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Teenage-pregnancy
voegelinian says
For spillages of islamorrhea on these pages (e.g., shabeer hassan’s posts), I’m developing a special app — a scroll-down key that recognizes the Islamic camelshit ahead and with one key-stroke will bump your scrolling down exactly past it. It should be on the market soon, once I work out some of the bugs.
Oliver says
Shabbibbeer
RE: TEEN BIRTHS–
1. I am assuming that you mean out of wedlock teen births. Using (just the United States- you show just under 1/2 million. BUT THE TOTAL UNITED STATES POPULATION IS SOME 350 MILLION; IF WE ARE CONSERVATIVE THAT JUST 55 ARE TEEN FEMALES- THAT MEANS 17.5 MILLION- but the figure is probably higher. So-as a %- not that great. In your Muslim shitholes, when the teen aged girls have already had 3 or 4 or more babies ( depending upon their age)- and are one of 4 wives, not counting the temporary ones, there would nto show any unwed teen births. (Honor killings take care of that, should one pop up, anyhow).
Statistics DON’T LIE, BUT LIARS CAN SUE STATISTICS FOR ANYTHING THEY WANT. STATISTICS LIKE YOU HAVE-NOW AND IN THE PAST- ARE EASILY BENT.
gravenimage says
Notice, first thing, that the vile shabeer_hassan has not a word of criticism for pious Muslim pedophiles damaging young girls for life. But them why would he?
But he does rant on about this:
ISLAM & MARRIAGE
[017:034] Come not nigh to the orphan’s property except to improve it, until he attains the ”age of full strength”; and fulfill (every) ”engagement”, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).[MARRIAGE IS AN ENGAGEMENT]
024:059] But when the children among you ”come of age”, let them (also) ask for ”permission”, as do those senior to them (in age): Thus does God make clear His Signs to you: for God is full of knowledge and wisdom.
24:58. O you who believe! Let your legal slaves and slave-girls, and those among you who have not come to the *******age of puberty ask your permission******* (before they come to your presence) on three occasions;
………………………….
Why did shabeer cut off the rest of this Qur’anic passage? Here’s the whole thing:
O you who have believed, let those whom your right hands possess and those who have not [yet] reached puberty among you ask permission of you [before entering] at three times: before the dawn prayer and when you put aside your clothing [for rest] at noon and after the night prayer. [These are] three times of privacy for you. There is no blame upon you nor upon them beyond these [periods], for they continually circulate among you – some of you, among others. Thus does Allah make clear to you the verses; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.
………………………….
As you can see, this has nothing to do with marriage.
This is about slave masters getting enough privacy, and not being disturbed by their slaves.
And note that shabeer hassan is, as he has shown previously, absolutely sanguine about Muslims keeping slaves and sex slaves. *How sickening*.
More:
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 8 :: Hadith 465
Narrated ‘Aisha:
(the wife of the Prophet) I had seen my parents following Islam since****** I attained the age of puberty********. Not a day passed but the Prophet visited us, both in the mornings and evenings. My father Abii Bakr thought of building a mosque in the courtyard of his house and he did so.
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 101
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Why is he citing little Aisha here? Is he claiming that Aisha had reached puberty before the age of six, when the vile pedophile “Prophet” married her? If he is, then the term has no meaning in Islam.
This same Hadith calls Abu Bakr a “soft-hearted person” for weeping while reciting the Qur’an. He’s so “soft-hearted” that he let Muhammed rape his little girl when she was just nine-years-old.
But shabeer hassan has voice his approval of this horrifying pedophilia many times here.
More:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Allah’s Apostle said, “It is essential to have the *****consent of a virgin (for the marriage)****. I said, “A virgin feels shy.” The Prophet; said, “Her silence means her consent.”
………………………….
In other words, if the poor girl is too afraid of being “Honor Killed”—quite a reasonable fear, as we see all the time—then this is taken as “consent” in Islam. How appalling.
More:
Some people said, “If a man falls in love with an orphan slave girl or a virgin and she refuses (him) and then he makes a trick by bringing two false witnesses to testify that he has married her, and then ****she attains the age of puberty ******and agrees to marry him and the judge accepts the false witness and the husband knows that the witnesses were false ones, he may consummate his marriage.”
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In other words, it is quite acceptable for a Muslim to lie about being married to a girl so that she cannot legally refuse him. shabeer hassan has posted this appalling Hadith here before—how can he believe that decent Infidels would approve of such viciousness?
And note that Muslims characterize this abuse as “love”. *Ugh*.
More:
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: **************The child of adultery is worst of the three.**************
………………………….
Bizarrely, shabeer hassan has cited this vicious Hadith many times. This is condemning the innocent child born of adultery. How repellent.
More:
ACCORDING THE ABOVE LAW ISLAM AGREED MARRIAGE WITH GIRL 1)HER PERMISSION REQUIRED (MORAL) 2) SHE PASSED HER PUBERTY LEVEL(SCIENTIFIC)
CHALLENGE III :
IS ANY RELIGION ON EARTH (EXCEPT ISLAM) THAT AGREED /PROMOTE TWO CONDITION OF MARRIAGE (GIRL PERMISSION,PUBERTY) IS THERE ,PLZ BRING IT TO HERE & PROVE IT WITH SCRIPTURES EVIDENCE WE 1.7 BILLIONS MUSLIM READY TO ACCEPT THAT RELIGION /CULTURE,PLZ BRING IT ,ONLY ” ONE IS ENOUGH ” “ONLY ONE VERSES IS ENOUGH ”
………………………….
Good God, what crap. Islam is full of pedophilic abuse and forced marriage. Every time anyone tries to raise the marriage age in Dar-al-Islam, the most vociferous complaints come from Muslim clerics.
Look what shabeer hassan posits as indicative of the best religion: a creed that considers the frightened silence of a six-year-old child to be “consent” and for her to reached puberty. *Ugh*.
There is nothing “scientific” about claiming a first-grader has reached puberty.
More:
OR PUBLIC APOLOGY REQUIRED FROM SALEEM SMITH TO ALL MEMBERS WHO SAYS PROPHET MUHAMMED SA A PEDOPHILES
………………………….
More proof that shabeer hassan is just spamming: this refers to reply to Saleem Smith, who has not even commented on this thread.
More:
ROBERT SPENCER & GANG IF U AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF COMMON SENSE PLZ ADVICE THE REAL CRIMINALS THAT I PROVE WITH ” VALID EVIDENCE ”,BEAT THEM WITH
LONG STICK & SAYS
Dawud :: Book 29 : Hadith 3952
Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet MUHAMMED (peace_be_upon_him) said: **************The child of adultery is worst of the three.**************
………………………….
More condemnation of innocent children…
And note that he considers objecting to the rape of small children as the actions of a “gang” of “criminals”.
More:
Child sex tourism…
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What shabeer hassan does not note is that child prostitution is a *crime* in all of these countries.
But raping children in the guise of “marriage” is quite legal in his own foul creed.
More:
Teenage pregnancy…
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This refers, of course, to out-of-wedlock teenage births. shabeer hassan believes that forced underage pregnancy in Islam is perfectly fine, though.
The fact is that underaged pregnancy rates are *far* higher in Dar-al-Islam than they are in the developed world. these poor underaged girls suffer from complications and die at shocking rates, and this is *especially true* if they are victims of FGM. With Type III FGM fistulas are common.
And the only people running fistula hospitals? Why, charitable Infidels, of course.
Once again. the witless shabeer hassan just verifies so much of what decent Infidels find so horrifying about Islam.
particolor says
illam
Educated and Imam are an Anomaly !!
And I wonder if the Educated Imam would like His Banana Peeled Battered and Fried ? ! 🙁
voegelinian says
Yes, speaking of bananas, what’s needed is a mass movement of Lorena Bobbit Muslimas (that’s what’s needed, but, alas, not what we can reasonably expect, since the Stockholm Syndrome fanaticism runs so broad and deep in Muslim societies, the necessary critical mass of a demographic amongst Muslim females is simply an unrealistic proposition).
Luke Ahead says
This is suppression of women from the very childhood. I don’t know whether you’ve had any registered cases of this practice in the US but it’s been a rather growing issue in the UK.
Here in Poland and mainland Europe we’ve had some sympathisers, paediatricians among them, alas! Here’s an excerpt from a letter I can not reference at the moment:
“The issue I am taking up here stems from a publication in As-Salam from 2005, written by Samir Ismail, the leader of Muslim League in RP, a local branch of Muslim Brotherhood. Using both – his professional medical qualifications and his authority as a community leader, he propagated rather questionable views on FGM. Although he has not clearly expressed his personal opinion in the article, he quoted certain Muslim lawyers arguing for and against FGM and among them sheikh Yusouf al-Qaradawi, who claims that FGM is ‘makrouma’ – a term synonymous with women’s dignity. Additionally, Ismail quoted some scientific research from The American Pediatrics claiming that circumcision is beneficial for children’s health, although The Pediatrics mentioned only results based on examination of boys, not girls. There is one more piece of information, although not a very important one here, in the context of Ismail’s publication at least worrisome. He seats on the board of the Europe Trust, a Muslim ‘waqf’, together with Abu Schwaima – an Italian imam fined for illegal circumcisions and FGM practice in his mosque.”
Best
voegelinian says
”
This is suppression of women from the very childhood. I don’t know whether you’ve had any registered cases of this practice in the US …”
About three years ago, I reported on my blog about a case in Minnesota and featured an extensive interview with a Jihad Watch reader who had been involved in trying to do something about it:
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2012/05/interview-with-cgw-ordinary-citizen-who.html
gravenimage says
Thanks for citing that, Voeg. JW poster CGW did important work there.
Aardvark says
FGM is nothing to do with male satisfaction, but everything to do with female sexual satisfaction and appetite.
This vile practice is part and parcel of the mohammedan control of women. They must be forced to wear concealing clothing so that no other male can desire them, cannot be allowed out unless escorted by one of their owners, and must be robbed of any desire they may have for other males.
Isn’t Islam truly vile and despicable?
Jay Airahs says
The vile founder of this religion Muhammad supposedly had a donkey who loved him so much that it committed suicide.
What a stupid beastly animal.
The same goes for the donkey.
PJG says
I don’t think they are robbed of desire, but find it difficult, frustrating or outright impossible to make the most of it.
Joseph says
Like others, Dr Umasa believes that the procedure, if done by a doctor, should not be considered mutilation.
“If it’s done by a trained doctor, they are using the right technique, then never mind!”
On the obverse then….If all Muslims are given frontal lobotomies it is OK, as long as a doctor performs it.
These people are one sick bunch. The only reason for the female mutilation is to take pleasure out of sex so the women won’t stray. Counter justice should be served by having all the Muslim men circumcised at the base of the scrotum(the whole package) and these “so called mothers” having their vaginas filled with cement and sown shut……Like she said, done by a trained doctor using the right technique, then never mind.
GEE where are all the trolls on this one???? This is NOT defensible at any angle.
Charli Main says
“The only reason for the female mutilation is to take pleasure out of sex so the women won’t stray”
I believe there is another reason as well. If the Muslim woman is unable to get sexual satisfaction, her male owner does not have to preform until she has the requisite organism.
So, a 10 second performance will not damage his male Muslim ego.
Joseph says
VERY true
Just A Concerned Citizen says
“The babies cry,” she says, “but not much. They don’t have any lasting health complications.”
“If it’s done by a trained doctor, they are using the right technique, then never mind!”
As a member of the human race who both opposes encroaching shariah while simultaneously standing for genital integrity/basic human rights for all (the two are not mutually exclusive), I can only shake my head ruefully at these sentiments quoted above. They sound awfully familiar.
Jay Airahs says
The prayer mat is part of Islamic liturgy.
It is a decoration to flaunt and to hide the shallow emptiness of Islam.
The same with FGM
RonaldB says
Cenk Uygur destroyed again and again by Cenk Uygur.
Westman says
“Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue.” — Reza Aslan”
Another denial of the Islamic obsession for cutting heads off, wherever they find them.
Jay Airahs says
NO OFFENCE
I don’t want to offend people of a particular religion with my billboard posted on a major highway but FGM, Honor Killings, Sex Slavery, Floggings, Beheadings, Amputations, Child Brides, Murder of Apostates, Gays, and those of other faiths is evidence of following in the dishonorable footsteps of the shameless founder of your religion.
Once again, I repeat that in the spirit of political correctness:
I refuse to identify the offensive religion mentioned.
Let no one take any offence.
shabeer_hassan says
BROTHER Jay Airahs
AT LEAST ANY ONE OF U’R CLAIM U HAVE CONFIDENCE ,PLZ BRING HERE THE ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES EVIDENCE AND PROVE IT,INTELLIGENT PEOPLE DON’T BELIEVE U’R BLINDLY BRAIN DEAD POSTING
Joseph says
@ shabeer_hassan
We did, time after time. YOU DON’T LISTEN!!
I have met many stupid and ignorant people in my life but YOU are #1.
YOU call Jay Airahs brain dead?
GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A BROKEN BOTTLE SHABADBEER.
Don’t stop till you pass out from hypovolemic shock
And then have a nice day
Oliver says
Joseph,
Just my view of your statement. (copy/pasted)
GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH A BROKEN BOTTLE SHABADBEER..
I WOULD ADD–ONE THAT HAS THE AIDS VIRUS IN/ON IT. AND USE CAMEL PISS AS A CURE. AND DRINK THE CAMEL PISS, LACED WITH RAT POISON.
AND, OH YES.
SHARE WITH ALL OF YOUR EXTENEDED FAMILY.
Oliver says
Joseph, Just so NO MISUNDERSTANDING.
I DO NOT MEAN FOR YOU, BUT FOR SHABADBEER.
AND, IN PRIOR POST, NEXT TO LAST WORD– EXTENDED
Joseph says
@ Oliver
Never even crossed my mind you were blasting me.
I thought “have a nice day” was a great touch tough.
I will also leave open Shajizzbeard’s salutation of “BROTHER Jay Airahs”
I crap out turds smarter than “OL’ cumface”; Shafuckmyselfsilly.
Will says
Makes my blood boil. A real pity that some annoyed women doesn’t cut his off with a blunt knife.
Lioness says
I can’t even read this without being sick to my stomach. Where are the feminists of the west, why are they not shouting from every corner against this barbarism!
Jay Airahs says
See the crazy comment below by freedombreeze for one possible answer where are the feminists.
I would not be surprised if freedombreeze were to be a feminist
Freedombreeze says
Jay I am not a feminist, I am an Objectivist. I am an advocate of individual rights.
freedombreeze says
FGM and male circumcision illuminates the barbarism which is force implicit in most religion. All religion implies or compels oppression of the mind and/or body to conform to a set of rules or laws made up by other humans. Sexual pleasure is an important part of human beings happiness and of course anything that provides individual happiness for people is seen as evil. Ayn Rand said, “hatred of the good for being good” is at the root of all evil.
Jay Airahs says
Ok fine, assuming that is true, why do you leave us hanging in a cloud of false equivalence without at least mentioning the beast of Islam elephant stinking up the room?
freedombreeze says
Jay,
Of course some religions, in particular Islam, perform the barbaric force blatantly and without apology claiming if people comply and accept it they are virtuous and if they resist the force they are evil. Islam is an horrific death worshiping religion, as opposed to more enlightened religions like Christianity. However, all religions are in the business of oppressing free thought and insist upon compliance in order to be most virtuous. Some religious doctrine is rational and supports human happiness but much of the doctrine is not and is based upon the so called “morality” of self sacrifice. The oppression of original individual human thought is the ultimate goal of religion.
Jay Airahs says
Yes Islam does this — blatantly
However, by the open ended way you said that, I think that you appear to be unintentionally implying that other religions are doing the same exact thing covertly.
Just so there is no misunderstanding let us agree that other mainstream religions do not support FGM.
As far as religion in general oppressing original individual human thought more often than supporting human happiness, I believe that may be true in some cases but I will let others debate that issue.
At least now it is clear that we agree Islam is especially oppressive and barbaric to clear up any ambiguity in earlier comments that suggested equality with Islam.
Oliver says
Freedom Breeze:
I am a male, and was circumcised at birth ( shortly after a week or so after being born)-being circumcised has never had a negative effect on my sexual pleasure or satisfaction, etc.
When i was 17, my supervisor ( a combat veteran marine) told me, during wartime, he had a severe wound, in his lower body ( never more explicit) and he was circumcised while other operation(s) were being done. (He never said why, nor did I ask). he told me that AFTER THE CIRCUMCISION, HE AND HIS WIFE HAD THE BEST SEX THAT THEY HAD EVER HAD. he was ONLY SORRY THAT HE HAD NOT HAD IT DONE BEFORE. He and his wife, had their sons circumcised as soon as possible, when young, because of that.
And, as to free thought–in Judaism, thinking–free thinking–is encouraged. Questioning is encouraged. That is (probably) why Jews, who make up such a small per-cent of the world’s people win so many prizes in sciences, arts, etc.
Wellington says
Male circumcision is not barbaric in the least, freedombreeze. Unlike female circumcision it does not interfere with urination, does not interfere with sexual pleasure, nor does it lead to infection as female circumcision often does. In fact, it is very arguable that male circumcision is a hygienic procedure. For instance, while penile cancer is very rare there has never been a diagnosed case of it in a circumcised male. Engaging in equivalency thinking where female circumcision and male circumcision are concerned is profoundly erroneous.
freedombreeze says
Wellington,
Any time you subject a child to unnecessary pain, it is barbaric in my opinion. If an adult male or female chooses it without force, that is not the same thing because it is voluntary.
As far as Thomas Aquinas or other religious philosopher is concerned, I suggest you investigate Ayn Rand and do your own comparison. This is a huge topic. The all out objection I have to any kind of mysticism, secular or religious, is initiating force upon others whether it be by oppression of the mind or physically. I view initiating force on another human being as immoral.
Wellington says
Your definition of barbarism, freedombreeze, and mine are very different. Besides, per my explanation of male circumcision, it could very well be argued that it is desirable just as certain innoculations are for an infant even though both cause very temporary pain. You dodged what I said.
As for Ayn Rand, I long ago investigated what she had to say and agree with a good bit of what she had to say, but why not tell me what you think of Aquinas without resorting to what someone else has to say about him? Again, you dodged what I said.
Think for yourself and, while you’re at it, perhaps you should reconsider your entirely negative view of religion. I assert that it is short-sighted and I am not religious in the least. I suspect you make a religion out of not having one and doing so is quite tedious, as you seem to be.
freedombreeze says
Wellington,
You referred to Thomas Aquinas so I thought I would give you my thoughts. My opinion is held in this radio program by Yaron Brook. Thomas Aquinas is credited for trying to integrate Reason into religion. He tried to answer the question “How do we acquire knowledge..how do we know what we know?” He was one of the early philosophers who had an important impact on the enlightenment period. He was in favor of reason, like Aristotle. However, he didn’t quite integrate a complete uncontradictory principle about reality. He tried to justify mystic belief as a source of knowledge which is essentially a contradiction to truth. This show is 2 hours long but the discussion is worth while in understanding reality and reason. You could start listening at about 45 min into the show but you may enjoy it all if you are so inclined. Here is the link …. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/yaronbrook (The show is about South America and why don’t we learn from history).
freedombreeze says
ps.. Religion teaches us that self sacrifice is virtuous and if we suffer that is a good thing. I think that is completely wrong. That wrong idea is at the root of these barbaric practises.
Jay Airahs says
Wake up time.
Muslims are mutilating little girls to please their pathetic child rapist Muhammad.
But be careful what you say because Muslims might take offence at even the mention of the word ‘religion’.
freedombreeze says
Jay,
I am referring to organized religion and it’s authoritative oppressive effect on human thought and what constitutes morality as a whole – philosophy.
What about circumcision? Isn’t that a barbaric practise? I don’t believe it is done for hygienic reasons. I believe there is an underlying religious reason for subjecting boys to that barbarism.
Wellington says
When you get the chance, freedombreeze, convey to us all how Thomas Aquinas’ intellectual architecture, as evidenced by his Summa Theologica, is indicative of religion’s “oppressive effect on human thought?” Also Erigena, Anselm and William of Ockham in this regard. Yes, I would be most interested in your take on these men and how their thought was oppressed by the religion they believed in.
Champ says
freedombreeze wrote:
“That wrong idea is at the root of these barbaric practises” …
And …
“Of course some religions, in particular Islam, perform the barbaric force blatantly and without apology claiming if people comply and accept it they are virtuous and if they resist the force they are evil.”
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islam is at the root of these barbaric practices.
And you claim that “some religions” practice this barbarity, so I challenge you to name even ONE other religion, besides islam, that indulges in female genital mutilation? C’mon you just stated that “some”, which means more than one other religion besides islam; so produce even *one* more religion that practices this barbarity.
Not stating that there may not be other religions practicing female genital mutilation, but you need to back-up your claim with the names of “some” of these other religions as you purport. Of course! Waiting …
Westman says
It’s rarely correct to make any sweeping statements because there is always an exception.
Here is one: The worshippers of the god, Ngai, in Kenya practice FGM. Some Christian missionaries were killed there, in the early days of proselyting, for trying to get FGM stopped.
It’s likely that Islam picked FGM up from practices far predating Islam. Now they are the chief mutilators and beaters of women.
Do you suppose that some day we’ll see some enterprising entrepreneur on Shark Tank selling Imam-blessed club and knife sets?
Champ says
Nicely done and thanks for providing at least *one* religious group supposedly practicing FGM–although I’ve never heard of them. Suffice it to say, and more to the point, the worshippers of “ngai” pose no threat to our civilization on the whole–unlike islam and company.
freedombreeze says
Champ,
I believe I clarified my point in replies to others. The initiation of force on a child’s mind in the way of oppression or body in the way of mutilation is immoral in my opinion. Voluntary action on the part of an adult is not. Circumcision falls in that category as practised by some Christians and Jews on children. Other religions beside Islam practice mutilation of some kind on children although FGM, is the most heinous I am aware of. Google ‘Eritrean Christians FGM’ FYI.
Champ says
freedombreeze, what you’ve managed to clarify the *most* in your replies is your propensity towards moral equivalence. Not only with regards to religion–on the whole; in particular between islam and Christianity, but regarding female and male circumcision. Night and day, on both fronts.
freedombreeze says
Champ,
Don’t get me wrong, Islam is absolutely not equivalent to other religions in it’s respect for human rights. As I said, it worships death and evil whereas other religions have evolved to infuse human reason and repel barbarism. However, it hasn’t always been that way. If you know your history, Christianity was barbaric at one time. My whole point is we need to determine morality using reason as an absolute with the principle of life serving benefit toward real happiness for humanity here on earth.
Jim says
Yes its disgusting. Presumably it is to prevent muslim women from ever enjoying sex. After all they are just objects of pleasure for muslim men aren`t they ? Women have no business enjoying sex. They are the sole property of their `owners` aren`t they ? What a lot of primitive barbarians ! Its plain sickening.
abad says
Hopefully someone can enlighten me here as I do not pretend to be an expert on native African animist religions – but is this female genital mutilation practiced at all by the native religions?
Or are we still being deluded under this nonsense of “Female genital mutilation is not Islamic in origin” political correctness?
TIA
Jay Airahs says
I do not have the full answer but I have read about one theory where Islamic practice first introduced it and I have also read that it was the other way around (chicken or the egg)
If Muslims did not introduce it, they took to it like flies on cow dung.
gravenimage says
FGM does indeed predate Islam, Abad. It was known as “phaorinic circumcision” in Egypt by Christians, who seldom practiced it. And if you read Islamic texts, it is clear that FGM already existed in the “Prophet’s” time.
That being said, Muslims not only enthusiastically adopted it, but immediately gave it a “religious” purpose. Crushing the ability of women to have pleasurable—or, in the case of FGM III (infibulation), even pain-free—intercourse perfectly dovetailes with Islamic desires to control, hurt, and punish women.
Oliver says
How did the imams and other Muslim (un) holy people miss 7% of the women?
Bill Poser says
Eritrea is actually half Christian, half Muslim. It is true that FGM is practiced by Eritrean Christians, though at a rate somewhat lower than for Muslims. FGM has been illegal since 2007.
duh_swami says
I no sooner got here and someone called Doctor attacked my genitals with a knife. Had I known this would happen, I wouldn’t have gone to a different Doctor…
sheik yer'mami says
This is unimaginable. I used to live in Malaysia. I cannot imagine that they did it then and I cannot imagine that they do it now.
It must be the increasing Islamisation, a form of collective insanity, that enables such an abomination.
Sam Hawkins says
I don’t see the problem. As described, the procedure, done with a sterile surgical instrument, only draws a few drops of blood. All the good bits and pieces stay. That is worlds apart from the African method of infibulation, which results in many deaths, plus lifelong mutilation and handicaps.
freedombreeze says
Sam,
Seriously!!? Would you slice a babies clitoris with a razor blade just because it would not maim her for life? If not then what in your mind could justify such an horiffic assault?
Sam Hawkins says
Look freeedombreeze, I’m circumcised OK? That’s a good deal more skin they cut off from me than the girls in the report quoted above. Yet I suffer no sexual or other disfunction. I am not saying that the very mild form of female cutting they do in Indonesia should be allowed in the West, because unlike male circumcision, there is no large body of medical literature proving it’s safe and harmless.
But I can’t get worked up about it either.
gravenimage says
Sam Hawkins wrote:
I don’t see the problem. As described, the procedure, done with a sterile surgical instrument, only draws a few drops of blood. All the good bits and pieces stay.
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You are quite mistaken to believe this that this is how FMG is practiced in these cases, Sam.
What you are describing is a minor type of Type IV, which is mostly symbolic in nature. (Other aspects of Type IV include other miscellaneous acts, such as cauterization of the clitoris, cutting of the vagina (gishiri cutting]). The problem is that this symbolic form barely exists in terms of actual practice.
Most of what happens in Malaysia is characterized as FGM I, which involves the complete excision of the clitorous.
Why would Imams tout FGM for ‘keeping girls pure’ if it were merely symbolic?
Sam Hawkins says
Not according to the Al Jazeera article, gravenimage:
“Just an incision to leak some blood, no excision of flesh,” Dr Umasa says.
If you have credible info to prove she is lying, please post it.
gravenimage says
Sam, you may want to believe that what goes on in Malaysia and Indonesia is “very mild”, but a journalist who has observed this atrocity notes:
“A common myth is that it is largely ‘symbolic’, involving no genital damage A study published in 2010 by Yarsi University in Jakarta found this is true only rarely, in a few animist communities where the ritual involves rubbing the clitoris with turmeric or bamboo. While Indonesia doesn’t practise the severest forms of mutilation found in parts of Africa and the Middle East, such as infibulation (removing the clitoris and labia and sewing up the genital area) or complete clitoral excision, the study found the Indonesian procedure “involves pain and actual cutting of the clitoris” in more than 80% of cases.”
I think this is pretty conclusive.
Here’s what actually goes on in Indonesia:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/nov/18/female-genital-mutilation-circumcision-indonesia
Sam Hawkins says
gravenimage, thanks for the link to the guardian article, I read it. According to the article,
“The new guidelines say doctors should “make a small cut on the frontal part of the clitoris, without harming the clitoris”. But Yentriyani says that most doctors are trained only in male circumcision, so they follow the same principle of slicing off flesh.”
The government there needs to enforce its guidelines so that they are actually followed. You are not going to get them to do away with cutting entirely.
In any case this is much less bad than what is being to done to girls all over Africa, mostly but not only in Islamic areas. I hope we can agree on this point even if we do not agree on others.
Brian Hoff says
How did this Islamoprobic auther arraiver at the 93 % figure did he in persom undress each muslim women to see it she was circenize.
gravenimage says
The semiliterate “Brian Hoff”—really, “DefenderofIslam”—wrote:
How did this Islamoprobic (sic) auther (sic) arraiver (sic) at the 93 % figure did he in persom (sic) undress each muslim women (sic) to see it she was circenize (sic).
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“DefenderofIslam” is now trying to pretend that *Al Jazeera* is “Islamoprobic”. Just laughable.
These figures are determined the way these always are in the case of lack of official statistics—through polls.
And “DefenderofIslam’s” pretending that Muslims themselves consider such appalling figures to be a negative are completely false—in some places they are even higher, like Egypt, where the figure for all Egyptian women (including Christians) is 95% (and so is necessarily higher among Muslim women), and Somalia, where the figure is virtually 100%.
And most Muslim clerics laud FGM as completely Islamic.
So why the pretense? Simply because decent Infidels are horrified by this, and so it “makes Islam look bad”.
I doubt very much that a pious Mohammedan such as “DefenderofIslam” has any other concern, such as the pain and suffering of these victims of FGM.
shabeer_hassan says
Forbade mutilation [cutting body parts]
Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4294
Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action………
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 654
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Yazid Al-Ansari:
The Prophet forbade robbery (taking away what belongs to others without their permission), and also forbade mutilation (or maiming) of bodies.
gravenimage says
Yet more from shabeer_hassan:
Forbade mutilation [cutting body parts]
Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4294
Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action………
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And those three courses of action are conversion to Islam, submission, or death.
In other words, the witless shabeer hassan is not citing a passage banning FGM; instead, he is citing a passage urging his foul coreligionists to murder us. D’oh!
More:
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 654
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Yazid Al-Ansari:
The Prophet forbade robbery (taking away what belongs to others without their permission), and also forbade mutilation (or maiming) of bodies.
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This refers to Muslim mutilation that bodies of Infidels, not to their not being allowed to mutilate Muslim girls.
Really, shabeer hassan needs to step up his Taqiyya. This is just pathetic, even by the standards of Muslim apologists.
Brian Hoff says
I can say that only 10% of the women of that nation unwent that operation you can do prejury with polls very easy. Like the Imperial Russian fleet held target practive off the coast of Africa they fire 1000 round not one hit the target but one hit and sank the destoryer towing the target no wonder Japon Navy won the Battle of Tsushima.. In warfare on the sea markmanship in naval gunfire is inportant as ship donot carry unlimit ammo for they guns compare to land army.
gravenimage says
“Brian Hoff”—really, “DefenderofIslam”—wrote:
I can say that only 10% of the women of that nation unwent that operation you can do prejury with polls very easy.
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Well, this is true. That’s why it’s far more accurate to just have the illiterate “Brian Hoff” pull numbers out of his *ss. sarc/off
Besides, polls from very different sources find similar figures. This is certainly true for the 95% figure from Egypt, for instance.
And why he thinks even this figure would be fine is anyone’s guess. Damn barbarian.
More:
Like the Imperial Russian fleet held target practive off the coast of Africa they fire 1000 round not one hit the target but one hit and sank the destoryer towing the target…
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Should we add ADHD to illiteracy? What could the recounting of this incident *possibly* have to do with Muslims mutilating women in the name of Islam?
The inside of “Brian Hoff’s” head must be a very disturbing place.
shabeer_hassan says
Circumcision is prescribed for both males and females. The correct view is that circumcision is obligatory for males and that it is one of the symbols of Islam, and that circumcision of women is mustahabb but not obligatory.
There are reports in the Sunnah which indicate that circumcision for women is prescribed in Islam. In Madeenah there was a woman who circumcised women and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (5271), classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.
Female circumcision has not been prescribed for no reason, rather there is wisdom behind it and it brings many benefits.
Mentioning some of these benefits, Dr. Haamid al-Ghawaabi says:
The secretions of the labia minora accumulate in uncircumcised women and turn rancid, so they develop an unpleasant odour which may lead to infections of the vagina or urethra. I have seen many cases of sickness caused by the lack of circumcision.
Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size to 3 centimeters when aroused, which is very annoying to the husband, especially at the time of intercourse.
Another benefit of circumcision is that it prevents stimulation of the clitoris which makes it grow large in such a manner that it causes pain.
Circumcision prevents spasms of the clitoris which are a kind of inflammation.
Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire.
Then Dr al-Ghawaabi refutes those who claim that female circumcision leads to frigidity by noting:
Frigidity has many causes, and this claim is not based on any sound statistics comparing circumcised women with uncircumcised women, except in the case of Pharaonic circumcision which is where the clitoris is excised completely. This does in fact lead to frigidity but it is contrary to the kind of circumcision enjoined by the Prophet of mercy (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he said: “Do not destroy” i.e., do not uproot or excise. This alone is evidence that speaks for itself, because medicine at that time knew very little about this sensitive organ (the clitoris) and its nerves.
From Liwa’ al-Islam magazine, issue 8 and 10; article entitled Khitaan al-Banaat (circumcision of girls).
The female gynaecologist Sitt al-Banaat Khaalid says in an article entitled Khitaan al-Banaat Ru’yah Sihhiyyah (Female circumcision from a health point of view):
For us in the Muslim world female circumcision is, above all else, obedience to Islam, which means acting in accordance with the fitrah and following the Sunnah which encourages it. We all know the dimensions of Islam, and that everything in it must be good in all aspects, including health aspects. If the benefits are not apparent now, they will become known in the future, as has happened with regard to male circumcision – the world now knows its benefits and it has become widespread among all nations despite the opposition of some groups.
Then she mentioned some of the health benefits of female circumcision and said:
It takes away excessive libido from women
It prevents unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce.
It reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections
It reduces the incidence of infections of the reproductive system.
In the book on Traditions that affect the health of women and children, which was published by the World Health Organization in 1979 it says:
With regard to the type of female circumcision which involves removal of the prepuce of the clitoris, which is similar to male circumcision, no harmful health effects have been noted.
duh_swami says
It takes away excessive libido from women…
Explain that in detail Shabeer…
‘It prevents unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce.
It reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections
It reduces the incidence of infections of the reproductive system’.
Shabeer…did you know that daily warm water and soap, makes surgery unnecessary? But I guess personal hygiene is above your pay grade…
abad says
That’s the whole problem with Islam. All of its followers – not to mention Muhammad himself – are all so uneducated to the point where they need to have surgery to temper their base desires.
A better solution is something called education. If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
Because Islam caters only to the ignoramuses of the world.
gravenimage says
shabeer_hassan wrote:
Circumcision is prescribed for both males and females. The correct view is that circumcision is obligatory for males and that it is one of the symbols of Islam, and that circumcision of women is mustahabb but not obligatory.
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Has shabeer hassan forgotten his own Taqiyya? He has spent this whole thread denying that Muslims practice FGM, going so far in his post of 2:06 am to claim that, “circumcision for females is not allowed in Islam”.
Now he is admitting that FGM is “recommended”.
More:
There are reports in the Sunnah which indicate that circumcision for women is prescribed in Islam. In Madeenah there was a woman who circumcised women and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (5271), classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.
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As I have already noted, “extreme” is subjective. A woman’s having her clitoris cut out is, in fact, one of the most “moderate” forms of FGM.
More:
Female circumcision has not been prescribed for no reason, rather there is wisdom behind it and it brings many benefits.
Mentioning some of these benefits, Dr. Haamid al-Ghawaabi says:
The secretions of the labia minora accumulate in uncircumcised women and turn rancid, so they develop an unpleasant odour which may lead to infections of the vagina or urethra. I have seen many cases of sickness caused by the lack of circumcision.
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What rot. Any woman who practices minimal hygiene does not have these problems.
In fact, maintaining proper hygiene with Type III FGM is impossible—terrible infections are, in fact, very common. Women often die from them.
More:
Circumcision reduces excessive sensitivity of the clitoris which may cause it to increase in size to 3 centimeters when aroused, which is very annoying to the husband, especially at the time of intercourse.
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Only Muslim men would be “annoyed” if their wives become aroused.
More:
Another benefit of circumcision is that it prevents stimulation of the clitoris which makes it grow large in such a manner that it causes pain.
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As an owner of a clitoris in good working order, I can assure the not-so-good doctor that this is not an actual medical concern.
More:
Circumcision prevents spasms of the clitoris which are a kind of inflammation.
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In other words, removal of the clitoris prevents women from reaching orgasm, or any kind of sexual satisfaction.
More:
Circumcision reduces excessive sexual desire.
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As Muslim men see it, *any* sexual desire on the part of women is “excessive”.
More:
Then Dr al-Ghawaabi refutes those who claim that female circumcision leads to frigidity by noting:
Frigidity has many causes, and this claim is not based on any sound statistics comparing circumcised women with uncircumcised women, except in the case of Pharaonic circumcision which is where the clitoris is excised completely. This does in fact lead to frigidity but it is contrary to the kind of circumcision enjoined by the Prophet of mercy (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he said: “Do not destroy” i.e., do not uproot or excise. This alone is evidence that speaks for itself, because medicine at that time knew very little about this sensitive organ (the clitoris) and its nerves.
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You can’t have it both ways—if FGM decreases female sexual response, it does so by removing the clitoris.
This is just a bone tossed to critics.
More:
From Liwa’ al-Islam magazine, issue 8 and 10; article entitled Khitaan al-Banaat (circumcision of girls).
The female gynaecologist Sitt al-Banaat Khaalid says in an article entitled Khitaan al-Banaat Ru’yah Sihhiyyah (Female circumcision from a health point of view):
Then she mentioned some of the health benefits of female circumcision and said:
It takes away excessive libido from women
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Removing the penis would take away excessive libido from men, as well…
More:
It prevents unpleasant odours which result from foul secretions beneath the prepuce.
It reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections
It reduces the incidence of infections of the reproductive system.
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More crap. This shows how common infection is in FGM:
http://fgm.co.nz/complications-of-fgm
More:
In the book on Traditions that affect the health of women and children, which was published by the World Health Organization in 1979 it says:
With regard to the type of female circumcision which involves removal of the prepuce of the clitoris, which is similar to male circumcision, no harmful health effects have been noted.
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Of course, shabeer hassan wil not tell you that merely removing the prepuce is almost *never* the extent of FGM. It is an insignificant situation, tossed into the “grab bag” of miscellaneous procedures characterized as Type IV FGM. The three most common forms, Type I, II, and II, all involve the removal of the clitoris.
wayne says
This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.
This is not hearsay, and it will scare the life out of you.
Make sure you read the paragraph (in red) towards the end.
Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish
In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child.
Consummating the marriage by 9.
The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave)
and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.
Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.
To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry.
The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family.
Husbands can beat their wives ‘at will’ and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.
The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.
The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.
In the West World ( America and Britain and Australia ) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her.
It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.
By passing this on, enlightened women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law ripping the West in Two.
Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world,
ripping Western law and liberty in two.
She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.
Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978,
When she was eight years old her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel .
He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza ..
When he died, he was considered a “shahid,” a martyr for jihad.
His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.
But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing..
She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.
In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law – what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.
For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world.
If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed.
Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual.
Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.
Peace and prosperity for one’s children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules
Everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.
While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule,
Sharia teaches two systems of ethics – one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims.
Building on tribal practices of the seventh century,
Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.
While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God,
Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism.
It’s hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or
choose to stop being Muslim should be executed.
Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West,
such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.
While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time,
Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form
of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.
(In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. And Britain To elect the Government by themselves!
Rest assured they will do so…
You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA .. Dearborn Mich. Is one…
And there are others..) ( Britain has several cities now totally controlled by Muslims)
I think everyone in Australia, U.S. and Great Britain should be required to read this,
but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!
It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful..
Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam..
The peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion.
While America and Britain is getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives
of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America .. ( Britain and probably Australia) .
ECAW says
All true except this:
“In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. And Britain To elect the Government by themselves!”
Where did you get that from? At the moment Muslims are 5% of the population in Britain (so we’re told) and far less than that in the US. If you think they can get from that to say, 40% in 20 years please tell us how.
On the other hand the growth of Muslim populations in the West is alarming. While 5% of the population of Britain (I don’t say the British population) are Muslim, 10% of the population under 5 years of age are.
The percentage of Muslims doubled over the last decade and I believe that was also so for the decade before. You only have to think of the the story about putting 1 grain of rice on one square of a chessboard then 2 on the next then 4 then 8 then 16 etc to realise what a situation we have put ourselves in.
But there are massive unknowns such as a possible exponential increase in immigration across the Mediterannean, currently welcomed by our governments and especially by our EU overlords, which could make the current flood look like a trickle.
Or perhaps the opposite. I don’t see how things can simply continue as things are going. People are noticing what bad house guests Muslims are. A recent poll showed that 55% of Britons believe that Islam is incompatible with the values of British society:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11503493/The-majority-of-voters-doubt-that-Islam-is-compatible-with-British-values.html
Anti-immigration parties are growing. If the Euro and the EU imploded then who knows what might ensue but I think it could well be very ugly and likely change the landscape decisively.
voegelinian says
“On the other hand the growth of Muslim populations in the West is alarming. …I don’t see how things can simply continue as things are going. People are noticing what bad house guests Muslims are.
“Anti-immigration parties are growing.”
Responding to the problem of millions of “bad house guests” by slowly moving to stem immigration would be like slowly getting around to locking & securing the barn doors AFTER several ravenous wolves have already gotten in – while doing nothing about the wolves inside. But, as the Counter-Jihad Softies remind us over and over again, our hands are tied; our Western laws are suicide pacts and there’s nothing substantive we can do to protect ourselves from the unique problem of a growing army of enemies inside our land whose diverse populations will provide the manpower (extremists) and the COVER (moderates) for a concatenation of horrific terror attacks against us in the coming decades which will, we can reasonably assume, result in millions of us getting mass murdered – not to mention hundreds of thousands wounded (and ill if and when Muslims get around to chemical & biological attacks), horrific destruction of parts of our infrastructure, dreadful drains on our economy, and psychological trauma and dislocations.
Then we see ECAW imply a leap past deportation to some worse state of civilizational disarray resembling a European state of civil war:
“If the Euro and the EU imploded then who knows what might ensue but I think it could well be very ugly and likely change the landscape decisively.”
Well, that’s only reasonable,if you take out of the equation the West undergoing a process where it decides to deport Muslims, the only conclusion and future scenario left unfolds & unravels into some kind of disastrously apocalyptic dénouement.
voegelinian says
As I said to “Drakken” the last time he had that same irrational spastic reflex, a week ago:
voegelinian says
March 28, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Rounding up all Muslims and deporting them isn’t “a cup of tea”.
Michael says
I believe that she means the increasing populations of Muslims in western countries will be able to elect politicians who will use that power to influence political direction. In many European countries Political parties do not win enough seats to form a government, they therefore look to form alliances. Muslims could then enter into coalition governments with the promise of getting laws passed to, for example, have local Sharia.
Prinz Eugen says
And 99% of the population has suffered from mental mutilation, it is called ‘islam.”
Fear not, sultan Barry will protect them all, alas!
valhalla says
This barbaric practice would stop if the mothers said no ,no more ,they are the ones that are allowing it to continue ,they hated it being done to them ,yet they continue the cruel practice on their little girls ,Chinese women once bound the feet of their little girls to please their men ,it is women who continue these cruel rituals and it is they who must stop them.