Hassan Shibly of Hamas-linked CAIR says that “for them this is worse than losing the life of a child, to have them join such a horrible, horrible gang of violent extremists.” So apparently one of the first things they thought to do while in their “extremely traumatized” state was contact the leader of a Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood organization in the next state, a group that has been designated a terror organization by the United Arab Emirates and that has several former officials in prison now for various jihad terror plots, and get him to act as their “spokesman.”
Why do they need a “spokesman” at all? If they’re traumatized and grieving, they could simply tell reporters that they’re not talking. Or say they’re traumatized and grieving. Why do they need a Hamas-linked CAIR operative to say it for them? And if they really feel the need for a spokesman, why not someone from the Birmingham Islamic Society? If I recall correctly, other families, Muslim and non-Muslim, who have had their adult children try to join the Islamic State have not had Hamas-linked CAIR spokesmen. Why this one? It suggests they are trying to deflect unwelcome law enforcement and/or media scrutiny.
To be sure, Shibly’s revulsion toward the Islamic State is genuine. The Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas are competitors of the Islamic State, as the Brotherhood has since its inception had the goal of restoring the caliphate, and the Islamic State stole its thunder.
A side note: compare the photo of Shibly here to that of Harun Mehicevic here. Mahicevic is the Muslim leader in Australia who has said: “Australian values are the values of the Kuffar (unbelievers). Your religion is not their values. They will not stop fighting you until you give up your religion or are martyred….Be careful what they ask us to say. There is no bayah (pledge) to Kuffar (unbeliever). We can only give a bayah to a Muslim leader. The (Australian) flag should be a warning to you that we do not belong here. It is a flag of the people of the Cross….Allah will help the mujahideen (holy warriors).” Shibly and Mehicevic clearly share the same beliefs about dress and personal grooming, and those beliefs, of course, come from Islamic directives. Shibly would have us believe that he differs sharply from Mehicevic on other matters: loyalty to an infidel state being chief among them, and that may be so, but then again, Shibly works for a group with documented links to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. If he really wanted to reject all “violent extremism,” why would Shibly work for such an organization?
“Spokesman: Alabama woman left to join Islamic State group,” by Martin Swant, Associated Press, April 20, 2015:
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama (AP) — A spokesman for a Muslim couple in Alabama on Monday said their 20-year-old daughter fled a Birmingham suburb to join Islamic State extremists in Syria after being recruited via the Internet.
Hassan Shibly spoke at the mosque on behalf of the parents of the young woman, whom he identified only as Hoda. He said the family has been “extremely traumatized” for months and has been in contact with law enforcement and government officials since she disappeared while also pleading with Hoda to return home.
“For them this is worse than losing the life of a child, to have them join such a horrible, horrible gang of violent extremists,” Shibly said, adding the father is worried about the mother’s health. “Nothing can describe the pain they are facing.”
Shibly, an attorney and chief executive director for the Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said Hoda left in November.
While he said it’s unclear when Hoda made contact with militants, he said she withdrew from the Muslim community in Birmingham more than a year before her disappearance. The woman’s whereabouts were not immediately known.
“The reason she withdrew from the community is because the Muslim community is very vocal against groups like ISIS … she made the decision based on her communication online with them that she wanted to join them,” Shibly said.
The family and the Birmingham Islamic Society have spoken out against violent extremism.
The account was first reported by Buzzfeed. There have been other reports of young people leaving or attempting to leave the U.S. for the Islamic State in recent months. In a criminal complaint unsealed on Monday, six Minnesota men were charged with terrorism-related offenses after authorities said they failed in attempts to travel to Syria.
Shibly said he’s talked with families who have also lost their children to the Islamic State group have similar stories.
“It’s often young, naive, impressionable, ignorant troubled youth who are dissatisfied with their life and are seeking a sense of belonging,” he said.
Members of the Birmingham Muslim community met on Monday evening to discuss how to protect other children from the influence of violent extremists.
“Other children”? She’s twenty years old.
sh says
‼️MUSLIM ATROCITIES
Copy and paste this on ALL muslim stories! Flood them with the truth!
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims’
Think of it:
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha’is = No Problem
Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem
Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
**********SO THIS LEAD TO *****************
They’re not happy in Gaza
They’re not happy in Egypt
They’re not happy in Libya
They’re not happy in Morocco
They’re not happy in Iran
They’re not happy in Iraq
They’re not happy in Yemen
They’re not happy in Afghanistan
They’re not happy in Pakistan
They’re not happy in Syria
They’re not happy in Lebanon
They’re not happy in Nigeria
They’re not happy in Kenya
They’re not happy in Sudan
******** So, where are they happy? **********
They’re happy in Australia
They’re happy in England
They’re happy in Belgium
They’re happy in France
They’re happy in Italy
They’re happy in Germany
They’re happy in Sweden
They’re happy in the USA & Canada
They’re happy in Norway & India
They’re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam… Not their leadership… Not themselves… THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! And they want to change the countries they’re happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will be get hammered
!!!!
Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
AND A LOT MORE!!!!!!!
Think about it…….. frown emoticon 20 signs that psychopath Muslims do:
1] Kill any one who insults Islam or Moham-mad. (Koran.33;57-61).
2) Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57).
3) Koran can not be doubted. (Koran.2;1).
4) Islam is the only acceptable religion. (Koran.3;85).
5) Muslims must fight (jihad) to non-Muslims, even if they don’t want to. (Koran.2;216).
6) We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166).
7) We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51).
We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101).
9) We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slave. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30).
10) We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6).
11) Muslim must terrorized us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhari.4;52;220).
12) Muslims must strike terror into non-Muslims hearts. (Koran.8;60).
13) Muslims must lie to us (non-Muslims) to strengthen and spread Islam. (Koran.3;28?16;106).
14) Muslims are allowed to behead us (non_Muslims) (Koran.47;4).
15) Muslims are guaranteed to go to heaven if they kill us (non-Muslims). (Koran.9;111).
16) Marrying and divorcing pre-pubescent children is OK. (Koran.65;4).
17) Wife beating is OK. (Koran.4;34).
18) Raping wives is OK. (Koran.2;223).
19) Proving rape requires 4 (four) male Muslim witnesses. (Koran.24;13).
20) Muslims are allowed to crucify and amputate us (non-Muslims). Koran.8;12/47;4).
note“The natural hatred of the Muslims towards the infidels is in just accordance with the precepts of the Koran. [..]
The fundamental doctrine of the Christian religion is the extirpation of hatred from the human heart. It forbids the exercise of it, even towards enemies.[…]
jihad3tracker says
HELLO SH — Thank you hugely for this extremely comprehensive list of truth . . .
I am often amazed at the dedication and energy show by commenters like you, here at J.W.
Don McKellar says
Yes. Dragging that mouse across the text from a bulk email with the button clicked takes a lot of work. And then to click “cut” — and “paste” in the comment box! Incredible dedication and energy. Much more effort than actually making your own comment.
katnis says
Wow! That’s a huge list. There’s nothing like putting things in perspective by clumping the facts in black and white.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
They’re happy in (insert Western nation here)
Not to be a spoilsport, but actually they’re not so happy in these countries because the dream of globo-socialism is collapsing around them. Just like the wishful dream of Unicorns is collapsing around us.
They’re happy in Norway & India
They’re not so happy in Norway because the tens of thousands of Moslems they’ve imported and put on welfare there have driven forcible rape up 30,000%. They try to be happy in India, but that’s been tough for a long time because they are saddled with the awful legacy of the Moghul in the form of millions of angry Moslems.
Shmooviyet says
Agreed, APF.
This piece has been bouncing around the ‘net since at least last fall. This is the second time in a week it’s appeared here in JW comments. I believe it does bear re-posting as a reminder– but with updates, and the suggested change from “they’re happy in…” to, “they WERE happy in…”
More Ham Ed says
How true, if the piece is in English, then I’d at least like to see a grammatically cleaned-up version, or with better formatting or something at least posted on a forum. I mean, to the OP, maybe English is your 2nd language but take some responsibility and run your post through a WP for a minute or two first.
“…they want to change the countries they’re happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy” – I would describe that as anger, they want to change the countries they’re less angry in, to be like the countries they came from where there was daily outrage and anger at the drop of a hat. The unholy Ko ‘ran causes astounding levels of anger and outrage from childhood to adulthood.
“..and finally they will be [sic] get hammered” – not sure what the OP means, most Muslims I’ve met won’t touch alc. just a bit of dry humor.
Jeff says
That was great. Thanks.
Emilie Green says
“We’re shocked, shocked, that those kill-the-kaffir instructions found throughout the Koran are being taught in this mosque.”
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Yeah, talk about putting it down in black and white. A concise instruction manual that only exists inside the walls of a mosque or inside the head of Unicorns. And inside this blog, along with a few others.
duh_swami says
a horrible, horrible gang of violent extremists,”
Someone is misunderstanding something about the wonderful religion of Islam, that has nothing to do with anything. Shibly should contact Abu Bakr B and explain to him how wrong, wrong wrong, he is…
mortimer says
Silly rabbit…Islam has nothing to do with Islam.
somehistory says
Yeah, silly rabbit….islam is only for extremists at heart and jihad is the marshmallow that gets them in the news. islam, only for extremists. No others need apply.
Joe Shmo says
These ploys are so transparent; I hope some intrepid journalist or investigator will find something linking the family to fanaticism like they did with the father of that jihadi bride in England.
jihad3tracker says
I wrote this in a post several weeks ago, but its worth repeating — and perhaps Jihad Watch commenters have already realized :
CAIR has an immense networking structure with Muslims here in the U.S. (by imams at Friday prayers & email accounts completely under OUR private citizen radar). That’s why it is so often first to jump in when situations like this one happen . .
CAIR’s muckbucket staff & those brilliant imams & genius-level Muslim families don’t happen to be quite wise enough to know that by staying inside the Islamic corral of stealth jihadists, they actually hold up a red flag to FBI and NSA operatives.
mortimer says
It would appear the family is a HAMAS family and that’s why Shibly leaps to shield them from scrutiny and insert disinformation to muddy the waters. They family is trying to hide their terrorist connections.
KrazyKafir says
Why are the parents not “openly” questioning their mosque on how their child could have misunderstood Islam so profoundly (in the very same way countless millions of other Muslims do) and why nobody, including themselves, never instilled well enough the so called peaceful version of Islam.
mortimer says
Shibly’s trying to say: “It isn’t an atrocity when we in Hamas do it…”
When Hamas attacks bus stops and schools or stabs Jewish families in their beds in the middle of the night, they are freedom fighters. When ISIS attacks relief agencies helping refugees, it is “a horrible gang of violent extremists.”
el Cud says
The family members of these jihadis are always shocked to find their offspring going over to the dark side. We are supposed to believe that the parents are moderates. As the Islamists themselves would say, All war is deception. These parents are just doing taqiyya. They are liars in order to further the aims of this evil cult.
Don McKellar says
It no doubt played out that somebody tipped CAIR, they made a phone call and put the fear of the FBI into the family, and offered themselves up as the ideal spokesmen. Not only do they hold some control over this story, get another chance to try and put on a false positive public face, but they also are able to stop any cooperation with law enforcement which might impede the advance of Islamic jihad. Which they do all the time and have been caught out doing. A win-win for them.
I Iat says
“It’s often young, naive, impressionable, ignorant troubled youth who are dissatisfied with their life and are seeking a sense of belonging,” he (Shibly) said.
This is the same theme as no job, discrimination, (cultural) identity problems etc. This fits well in the westen way of thinking and probably is for western consumption only.
How about there is not something wrong or missing but something succeeded very well namely the “education” they received in koran school. My hypothesis is the overachievers are the ones that are recruited by groups like isis.
I made a website about islam. http://members.ziggo.nl/iiat/ of particular relevance to this topic is page http://members.ziggo.nl/iiat/DIYExpert.htm
Greetings from the netherlands
Islam_Is_Islam says
@ I lat
Thank you for the link to your website. In your opinion, would this article have any relevance for your topic? It talks about a possible reason for conversion from a non-believing family.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/i-was-a-liberal-atheist-and-then-my-stepson-found-radical-islam/
Saleem Smith (a regular poster here at JW), gave a link to the website where I found this article. There are also some enlightening articles by Eric Allen Bell who is a recent convert from progressive/liberalism to conservatism. His conversion began because he actually read the Koran etc… after working on a documentary about a mosque being built in Tennessee.
I Iat says
@ Islam_Is_Islam
Hi, Thank you for the link; very interesting. The topic of conversion to islam is an important one indeed. What is the appeal to one who is not raised as a muslim? Maybe it is because islam (in my opinion) provides a solution when you are fearfull. I argue the koran uses fear reflexes to condition people. Fear itself is not conditioned but the response to it is. When a fear reflex is triggered the organism will respond to it by trying to lower the fear, producing chemicals in the brain to do this. A kind of drug. It is her stepson; maybe he had psychological problems about the in-group out-group theme (theme 3 in my website). Islam seems also to be popular in prisons; maybe it is because in prisons the level of fear is high and islam provides a solution.
I know the story of Eric Allen Bell: You can find interviews with him on youtube. It seems muslims destroyed his life.
greetings from the netherlands
underbed cat says
copy that….and the group of men who misinformed past presidents were( fill in the blank )
and the men who advise the current president are (fill in the blank) who is (fill in the blank)
whose says nothing to do with (fill in the blank) when ever you know what happens.
Who are the men who say they care but don’t really care they are (fill in the blank).
underbed cat says
That Casablanca clip was awesome….eyes teared up from laughter…..”here are your winning sir”….”oh thank very much”….
PRCS says
“The family and the Birmingham Islamic Society have spoken out against violent extremism.”
But were they–or other Muslims–challenged to denounce and renounce the specific Qur’an passages which drive that violence? Were they–or other Muslims–challenged to state their personal definition of “extremism”? What constitutes Muslim extremism, exactly?
Of course not.
The Qur’an is rife with violence; violence that Muslims believe Allah “revealed” to Muhammad via the angel Gabriel.and until politicians and so-called “journalists” publicly raise those and similar issues and concerns, Muslims aren’t going to indict Islam by voluntarily telling the truth.
And isn’t this “extremism” we hear so much about is nothing more than the attempts by Islam’s most devout literalists.
Does it never occur to those who fail to question this “extremist” nonsense that the Pope, by that thinking, would be an extremist, too?
Westman says
“…ISIS … she made the decision based on her communication online with them that she wanted to join them..”
“..Muslim couple in Alabama on Monday said their 20-year-old daughter fled a Birmingham suburb..”
She was a CONVERT to ISIS not some “victim” who had to escape the cellar and chains. This victimhood phrasing is getting annoying.
“For them this is worse than losing the life of a child” – What was more valuable than the life of their child? Does this mean if she had apostacized at home she would be relieved of life?
somehistory says
From the account: “he said she withdrew from the Muslim community in Birmingham more than a year before her disappearance. ”
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Sure she did. And jello comes from jello trees, and butter doesn’t melt. If she had *withdrawn from the muslim community*…most likely she would be hunted down by her family and they wouldn’t be publishing the fact.
jed says
> Members of the Birmingham Muslim community met on Monday evening to discuss how to protect other children from the influence of violent extremists.
How about not indoctrinating children into islam?
Jeff says
How long before they sue the US gov’t for allowing this to happen.
Champ says
Well the parent’s are clearly enablers of evil, and now they’re upset that their daughter joined IS? Hmm …
Karen says
They contacted CAIR because they are seeking the shelter and comfort of victim status, and that’s CAIR’s expertise.