Bosnia, you know — where all the Muslims are moderates and you’re a greasy Islamophobe if you dare suggest otherwise. How did this misunderstanding of Islam get into pro-American, moderate, peaceful Bosnia, of all places? Did Nerdin Ibric somehow get hold of “Islamophobic” writings?
“Gunman carries out ‘terrorist’ attack on Bosnian police station,” DW, April 27, 2015:
In northern Bosnia, a gunman stormed a police station, killing one officer before dying in the crossfire. Authorities have now launched an investigation into what they are calling a “terrorist” attack.
The attacker, later identified by Bosnian authorities as 60-year-old Nerdin Ibric, carried out the attack in the town of Zvornik on Monday evening.
Shouting “Allahu akbar,” which means “God is great” in Arabic, Ibric opened fire on the personnel. Two police officers were also wounded in the attack.
Regional President Milorad Dodik later told Bosnian Serb TV: “It is clear that motives behind this terrorist attack are religious and terrorist…It is certainly not an isolated act.”
The imam of the local mosque reportedly condemned the attack….
Oh, well, then, nothing to see here.
Roughly 40 percent of Bosnia’s 3.87 million inhabitants are Muslim. Although they are known to practice a moderate form of Islam, intelligence that over 150 Bosnians have travelled to Syria and Iraq to join “Islamic State” fighters has raised concerns about Islamist extremists returning home to carry out terrorist attacks.
mortimer zilch says
oh Bosnia…..I thought it was BALTIMORE! coming soon to a town near YOU!
Jay Airahs says
mortimer zilch
That sound suspiciously like a troll moniker from the Huff Post syndicate.
Ernie says
Mortimer Zilch , right , off course : you’re NOTHING .
Lia Wissing says
Well done, President Milorad Dodik, for calling the thing by its right name!! Please come teach the West & the USA the words?
Peter Buckley says
“It has been used historically as a battle cry during war. It was first used in war by Muhammad in the Battle of Badr, the first battle in Islam….”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir#Jihadist_usage
Jaladhi says
Whenever Muslims go killing non-Muslims, they shout allahu akabar – its the battle cry while sacrificing non-Muslims and advancing the rule of Mo/allah!! Its amazing to see how Muslims rejoice murdering non-Muslims. Psychotic, psychopaths!!
Jay Airahs says
John McCain
Say it means, “Thank You, Please pass the sugar.”
Spot On says
You got it. Maybe some who lived there like Justin could tell us all about this story.
Angemon says
No, it means allah is greater.
mortimer says
It actually means that Arabs have the divine right to rule the world.
Jaladhi says
Allah loves killing and every Muslim tries to please allah by killing non-Muslims. Before the killings all these Muslims are known as “moderate” Muslims and after the killings they are now radical Muslims! And oir media and our leaders go hunting for who radicalized them – its the Quran stupid!!
mortimer says
Allah needs blood.
Muslims are his bounty hunters.
William Lucas Harvey Jr. says
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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Explore the background, motives and often surprising locations of the world’s most notorious extremists and funders
April 27, 2015
Contact: media@counterextremism.com
Website:
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Peggy says
This is how it starts. Albanians did the same thing in Kosovo. They terrorized the local Serb population and then stepped it up with killing police before Milosevic sent in troops.
The Muslims in Bosnia also drew first blood by killing a Serb in Sarajevo at a wedding.
Now they are trying it all again. So what should the US and the coallition do about this now? Get NATO to bomb the Serbs again if they dare fight back?
If civil war breaks out again and another few thousand Muslim fighters get killed again are they going to clasify it as genocide while not recognizing 1.5 million Armenians killed as genocide?
Something tells me that if the US supported the Muslims again they would have a lot more Americans protesting against it. Americans a little bit more informed now.
At the same time Bosnian Muslims have to start something now because Obama won’t be in office for too much longer and he is their best hope.
MKG says
Interesting point Peggy. Both Saudi Arabia and Iran are coming out and taking on a more participatory role over Yemen. I feel if things start to deteriorate in the Balkins, that may draw in another heavy hitter, Russia. This whole thing is starting to get really ugly.
Stay sharp Peggy.
Ernie says
Dear Peggy,a very , very dangerous development in a very vulnerable region . Things can go wrong here in the blink of an eye . Are you from Serbia Peggy ( I have that impression from your former comments , but I can be wrong about this ), and emotionally , how do you FEEL about this ? Scared ? Angry ? Let’s hope and pray for peace !
Peggy says
I am not from Serbia but I have connection to Serbia through family. I am very scared about this mess because it’s going to trigger a world war. Islam is NOT going to stop until they are stopped but us Christians are very divided.
If the US starts supporting Muslims in that region again there is no doubt that Russia will be drawn in. Hopefully things will remain calm until Obama is gone and I pray that Hilary doesn’t get elected. At least a Republican might not be so in love with the Muslim Brotherhod as she is.
Taking all this into consideration there is no way out wihtout a war. Two great powers are going to battle it out but on someone else’s land. The Balkans will be engulfed in war as new alliances are formed triggering WW3.
I pray I am wrong.
Ernie says
Thank you for your answers Peggy , it’s allways nice to know some more about someones background . I understand your fears very well , I have exactly the same fears and agree with you here . Have a nice day Peggy , and let’s pray for peace together !
mortimer says
After 500 years of Muslim atrocities in the Balkans, no one there ever says ‘Nothing to do with Islam.’
Rita says
The first BOSNIAN muslim in the Australian Parliament, who came here as a “refugee” with his parents, is soooo popular among all sides of politics, he is shaved, and even tending towards blond. “He is such a nice guy” they say…..but, when recently there was a nasty anti-semitic attack on Jewish children in their school bus, he was asked to comment and said that he had seen nothing, since he had the flu or something.
Ah yes, and he was sworn in on the KORAN. When I asked him (on twitter) if, as he swore in on the Koran, he “submitted” rather to the Islamic law of Sharia then, than Australian law, I got rather rudely attacked by his “supporters” – nothing to do with him nor with Islam.
Peggy says
Ah yes, the blue eys and blond hair will fool us all the time. I saw him on Q & A too and he tried not to commit to any statement but danced around everything.
Then again Q & A are known for stacking thier audience with Labor supporters.
I prefer to watch Andrew Bolt on Sunday mornings at 10am.
Champ says
“…before dying in the crossfire.”
Good! ..swift justice is rare these days.
Plamen says
State of Islam (IS)’s black flag is being noticed again in a Bosnian village (with men recruited from it probably already in IS ranks):
https://theremustbejustice.wordpress.com/2015/03/13/terrorism-bosnian-muslims-of-gornja-maoca-fly-the-black-flag-of-isis-again/
Police station attack in Bosnia reignites ethnic tensions: Bosnian Serbs renew calls for independence from the federation
http://news.yahoo.com/bosnian-serbs-push-more-autonomy-attack-081040874.html
Plamen says
“Islam to a man is as rabies to a Dog”
Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Peggy says
Wow a “Christian” who uses the Lord’s name in vain …add this to the laundry list which proves that ‘justin’ is certainly NOT a Christian. Hey Peggy, take note!
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So that’s your proof? News for you, most of us do.
Please use your brain and if there is something you disagree with in anyone’s post then yes reply and state your own opinion but jumping to conclusions like this just makes YOU look foolish.
Champ says
Actually, ‘peggy’ looks foolish for defending a known liar: justin.
And if pitiful ‘peggy’ were using *her* BRAIN, then she would not defend a known liar. Hello.
Besides, a true Christian will ask the Lord for forgiveness when they sin; but notice that ‘justin’ is not the least bit sorry for using the Lord’s name in vain on a public forum. So I maintain that ‘justin’ is NOT a Christian, as he professes, and that he’s a proven LIAR.
And I NEVER use the Lord’s name in vain, so poor ‘peggy’ should speak for herself; and ‘peggy’ can’t possibly know if most people use the Lord’s name in vain, as she claims. Wow what is weak and silly thing to state to defend justin.
It’s plain to see why ‘peggy’ defends justin given her propensity for being weak-minded.
Peggy says
Actually I do know that most people use the Lord’s name in vain. I hear it all the time.
As for everything else you wrote, I say to you GROW UP.
Champ says
I say to you GROW UP and stop defending a proven liar. Now that is foolish!
Ernie says
Dear Peggy , many people are christian in name , and fail bitterly in being a real Christian . We all fail at times . But since Justin has been preaching to us regularly how to be a good Christian ( and failing himself most of the time he comments here ) , he is under well deserved scrunity , that’s my opinion on this . WELL DESERVED SCRUNITY . And yes , I’m on the same page as Champion Peggy . Justin is more of an ULTRA NATIONALIST then a Christian in his attitude ( my opinion ). HATE is his major drive , not LOVE . He is a real Chetnik “dancingboy “.
Champ says
Ernie, you nailed it! ..yeah and I don’t *get* how ANYONE can defend ole ‘justin’ the lying “dancingboy”, lol! 😀
Take care, my friend!
🙂
Champ says
“And yes , I’m on the same page as Champion”
How funny, Ernie ..my maiden name is Champion, so of course I’m “Champ”, right? 🙂
Ernie says
Sure Champ , the day begins well here , IN THE FREE WEST ! Wow , enjoy your day Champ , and thank you !
Champ says
Thank you, Ernie! …you, too! 🙂
voegelinian says
The problem with Justin is not that he is “not a (true) Christian”, but that he indulges in apocalyptic, anti-Western and anti-Modern conspiracy theory thinking — all of which a Christian or non-Christian could do. Or to put it another way, a non-Christian could refrain from indulging in all that and keep his or her eye on the ball (and many in the Counter-Jihad do).
On the other extreme, we find in our West millions of people — Non-christians and Christians alike — who indulge in Kumbaya naivete about Islam.
The problem of the Counter-Jihad and its ongoing concern to gain sufficient traction to help galvanize society does not, and ought not, depend on sectarian religious squabbles.
Champ says
The problem with Justin is not that he is “not a (true) Christian”, but that he indulges in apocalyptic, anti-Western and anti-Modern conspiracy theory thinking — all of which a Christian or non-Christian could do.
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I completely disagree with voeg on the importance of whether or not ‘justin’ is a Christian. But of course I agree with his second point.
Sure on the surface it doesn’t matter whether or not ‘justin’ is a Christian, but this clown *professes* to be a Christian, so my primary objective is to establish that ‘justin’ is in fact a liar–plain and simple. And like it or not, I will continue to point out his LIES moving forward in an effort to warn others that he’s a liar and not to be trusted. Don’t like my input? Then ignore me. Hey you are not the ONLY one with a point of view here. And I have very good reasons for pointing out ‘justin’s’ nefarious offerings and lies …
This nonsense with ‘justin’ goes back several months, and perhaps you haven’t noticed, but I have been addressing this issue of his lies and him NOT being a Christian–as he professess–for about 8 months now, and not just on this thread. He has written things that NO true Christian would ever state, and this may not be important to you. Fine. But “this problem” is *important* to me! We will just have to agree to disagree on the importance of “the problem”.
MKG says
Exodus 20:7 “You shall not invoke the name of the Lord, your God in vain”
i.e. to no good purpose, a general framing to the prohibition which includes swearing falsely, especially in the context of a legal proceeding, but also goes beyond it to the point of cursing someone or something in the name of the Lord.
“For Chist sakes, stop supporting jihad terrorism.” could be considered invoking the lords name as a plea for help to stop something evil.
Peggy and Justin, I think your souls will be just fine.
Champ says
MKG, I wouldn’t be so quick to give justin and peggy a pass by instructing they that their souls will be just fine if they use the Lord’s name in vain, especially when this is considered a serious sin by the Lord …
Question: “What does it mean to take the Lord’s name in vain?”
Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/Lords-name-vain.html
Champ says
instructing THEM, not “they”
MKG says
Thanks Champ. My instruction comes from the New American Bible with comments approved by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
You are absolutely right about one thing though, who am I to give them a pass? So I will just pray for them instead.
Have a good evening Champ.
Champ says
So I will just pray for them instead.
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Very good advice, MKG. Have a good evening, as well.
Champ says
ps …
“Got Questions” gives a much better explanation as to the importance of using the Lord’s name in vain, than what you’ve offered here.
MKG says
Justin, that explains your anger. My intuition told me you were greatly effected by that conflict. That is also why I encourage you to work on forgiveness. It is hard, I know. Especially when dealing with wrath. Being one of the seven sins of mortals, wrath is one of the most self destructive.
“If one holds a hot rock with the intent of throwing it at someone else, they usually end up burning their own hand.”
You will note that when I am playing Devils Advocate on this blog I get a lot of angery responses, and I don’t blame them. Folks on this site are human after all. The job of a Devils Advocate is to help folks find which mortal sins they have the least control over, so they can then work on overcoming the influence of that sin.
You may have noticed that when you make comments inspired by anger, you get anger in return.
I have also noticed that you have made comments recently that were not angery but thoughtful. And, well received. When you make cool headed comments, you bring good insight to the conversation.
Work hard on forgiveness Justin. Keep that wrath in check.
You have plans for the future brother, that is good. I wish you a happy marriage and may your children bring your family honor.
Plamen says
Source article is not accurate, it’s softly “whitewashing”, i.e. trying to be appeasingly anti-islamophobic:
– town is not in Bosnia (federation) area, it is in Serbian (RS) area:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvornik
– why quoting immediately its imam ‘of the local mosque’ – is he the most important figure in the town? It is as if to convey the news of “A man was killed in Vienna, and local imam at the Vienna mosque told so and so”. What about town’s mayor?
– Bosnian islam is absolutely Not “a moderate one”. Islam in Bosnia is the most stringent, crude, starkly faceless type of islam in all Balkan area – inherited to be as such from the ‘tolerant’ Ottoman centuries;
– bottom line: “There is No moderate islam! Islam is Islam, and that’s it!” “Moderate” is ugly and offensive (word)”:
Turkish PM Erdogan, 2007
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/09/turkeys-pm-erdogan-the-term-moderate-islam-is-ugly-and-offensive-islam-is-islam
Davegreybeard says
I am not a Christian, nor an expert on Christian doctrine.
Still, I find it difficult to believe that stating “…Just persuade America and the West to, For Christ’s Sake, STOP SUPPORTING ISLAMIC JIHADISTS.” is damning proof that Justin is not a Christian.
And whether he is, or isn’t, really is not germane.
Furthermore, from my limited knowledge of Jesus Christ, I am absolutely convinced that Jesus would be at all times and in all ways be opposed to Muhammad and Islam.
I could be wrong on this, so I welcome the opportunity to be set right by a real Christian.
Champ says
Dave, the point is that ‘justin’ CLAIMS to be a Christian, and in case you haven’t noticed, he continually makes statements which prove that he isn’t. My main objective is to establish the fact that ‘justin’ is a LIAR, not so much that he isn’t a Christian. Big difference from what you’re trying to establish here.
Peggy says
Enough already. You are just digging in deeper now. You did make the claim that Justin is not a Christian and liar. What exactly is he lying about?
The fact that he is extremely angry at the US and the west and blames the west of rise of Islam doesn’t make him a liar. He really believes that. Now if you disagree then by all means state your own point of view but don’t come out looking silly.
Champ says
“Enough already”?
Back at’cha clown!! Who are you to tell me when to stop?
You are BLIND to his lies, so I can’t help you there. OPEN your eyes and pay closer attention, fool.
Enough already? …don’t make me laugh!
And the only one who looks silly and foolish is YOU for defending a known liar. And for those who have been paying attention it’s obvious that ‘justin’ lies. Jeez you’re dumb.
Champ says
Ok Peggy, what exactly is ‘justin’ lying about?
Below is a comment written by “justine” aka “justin” back in January; but “justin” won’t admit to writing it, when I know for a fact he did:
Justine says
January 29, 2015 at 6:42 pm
@Philip Jihadski, Champ
In response to your earlier insults that you directed against me I must say:
You are both STUPID, IGNORANT and dirty mother-fuckers. YOU ARE IGNORANT Assholes and cock-sucking fags and you have NO knowledge, No morals, No honor, No decency. You are FILTHY and stupid fags. That what you are so Burn in hell!
(I am a Serb and I will NOT let an insult from a faggot Westerner like you pass unanswered). FUCK YOU!
GLORY TO RUSSIA!
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It’s a bit complicated ..but ‘justin’ had all of his comments removed back in January, and then he came back as ‘justine’ and blamed me and PJ for HIS mistakes, and then he wrote that vile comment (above) …THEN he reemerged once again as ‘justin’, and now he denies ever writing that filth to me as ‘justine’. SEE, there’s your proof that ‘justin’ lies. Happy now?
Champ says
Furthermore, from my limited knowledge of Jesus Christ, I am absolutely convinced that Jesus would be at all times and in all ways be opposed to Muhammad and Islam.
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Absolutley. I completely agree.
Peggy says
You are absolutely right about one thing though, who am I to give them a pass? So I will just pray for them instead.
Have a good evening Champ.
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I thank you for praying for my soul but I really think that I am not a bad guy here.
Champ has diverted from the original conversation with me. I was correcting him that just because Justin said what he did doesn’t make him a non Christian and a liar. Most Christians will use the same words and it certainly doeesn’t make them bad, not Christian or liars.
How did the discussion about that become a discussion about my soul?
Champ says
Well ‘peggy’ and I can just agree to disagree on whether or not ole justin is a liar, but he needs to consider himself in the minority–since the majority of posters on JW consider justin a liar, too. Gosh what is ‘peggy’ just not seeing? lol!
BTW, I am a woman.
Joseph says
@ Champ
People don’t understand that JESUS CHRIST is their BEST friend, personal Lord and savior, who knew you before you were born and died on the cross for you, who is the Creator of all things and is pure and Holy,……shouldn’t have his name used that way.
You tried, I don’t think you failed for you can only fail when you refuse to try.
Take Care and please try to relax, I get revved up in situations like this too.
Every second that passes brings us that much closer to eternal life.
Champ says
Hi Joseph! ..thank you, dear brother.
Champ says
People don’t understand that JESUS CHRIST is their BEST friend, personal Lord and savior, who knew you before you were born and died on the cross for you, who is the Creator of all things and is pure and Holy,……shouldn’t have his name used that way.
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Yes, Joseph, I see our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ …our *precious* Lord and Savior, the SAME way you do! And I wanted to add that I really appreciate your support and expression of love for our Lord, too.
MKG says
Peace Peggy.
I’m not here to play Devils advocate tonight. I do not think of you nor Justin as “bad guys” and I never did. I appreciate the input from both of you. I don’t always agree, but I do like a different perspective.
As far as your soul, my soul or anybody’s soul is concerned, the topic did breech the 10 commanents. It is somewhat related. We are all in the Lord’s keeping.
Forgive me. I am poking my nose where it doesn’t belong.
Have a good evening Peggy. I will pray for the safety of your relations is Serbia.
Peggy says
I don’t think you are poking your nose in my business but I was pointing out that my original reply to Champ was that she was wrong to label Justin as not Christian and a liar.
It is not up to her to decide who is a Christian and who is not, especially when most people who do consider themselves Christians use that phrase. Also, this discussion is about Islamists who commit terror and Justin was asking the west to stop supporting the Muslims using Christ to drive the point.
Now that is all I was trying to point out to Champ. I certainly was not validating Justin’s post in any way by asking Champ to stick to the discussion at hand and not be sidetracked by trivial things.
It seems it is far more important for Champ to get upset at people who she thinks are not Christian enough than the real enemy.
Champ says
I stand by everything I’ve written about ‘justin’ …that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it!
Don’t like it? Tough.
Adios …
For now.
Joseph says
Read my post, then you might understand why she is upset. Here, I’ll save you some time
People don’t understand that JESUS CHRIST is their BEST friend, personal Lord and savior, who knew you before you were born and died on the cross for you, who is the Creator of all things and is pure and Holy,……shouldn’t have his name used that way.
Her fervor for JESUS CHRIST is in the right place. You can not with a sound mind attack a position like hers. She wishes them to come to the realization of the special gift that was given to man 2000 years ago by JESUS CHRIST. I think this deserves a little respect(the sacrifice JESUS made). GOD in his love for us did what the human mind can NOT fully comprehend or appreciate.
Champ says
Thank you, Joseph, that is *exactly* what motivates me! …yeah thank you so much for understanding.
Firebug says
Peggy, stop feeding the troll 😉
Davegreybeard says
Peggy, Champ is a girl.
Davegreybeard says
Peggy, I note from your post, one minute before mine, that you now know Champ is a girl.
In my opinion, she is an excellent example of a fiery redhead.
She has my admiration, and I consider her a friend.
But I’m not kidding about the fiery part…
Champ says
Hi Dave! …I’m half Irish, so I guess that’s where that “fire” comes from, my friend, lol! ;-D
Peggy says
Champ says
April 29, 2015 at 1:25 am
I stand by everything I’ve written about ‘justin’ …that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it!
Don’t like it? Tough.
Adios …
For now.
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i really don’t care how you veiw Justin and it was not my purpose to change your feelings about him.
Just remember, your feelings about someone doesn’t mean that you are right about who is a Christian and who is not. I really don’t think that you understood what I was trying to tell you.
If you want to discredit someone’s post you need to stay on topic and not attack with accusations without any evidence. You really cannot judge who is a Christian and who is not simply because a phrase is used that you see as blasphemy.
Don’t like it, tough??? Very mature.
Champ says
I repeat …
Don’t like my point of view? Double tough!
😉
Champ says
Again …
I stand by everything I’ve written about ‘justin’ …that’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it!
Don’t like it? Triple Tough.
Oh GROW UP mr mature, lol!!
Champ says
If you want to discredit someone’s post you need to stay on topic and not attack with accusations without any evidence.
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I provided “evidence” but you failed to acknowledge. That is your problem, not mine.
As far as staying “on topic” ole ‘peggy’ needs a mirror.
Got a mirror?
Joseph says
@ Champ
I know you thanked me, but after a little thought it is I who should be thanking you!!!
THANK YOU….from the bottom of my heart
Champ says
Wow you’re welcome, Joseph! And I’m rather humbled by your thanking me …but defending our beloved Lord is my greatest passion in LIFE. Maybe you could express more about what you mean. Thank you.
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…yeah and it’s very hard for me to understand why ‘peggy’ would much rather defend a creep like ‘justin’ than JESUS!! Jesus died for ‘peggy’; whereas ‘justin’ uses His name in vain. Wow.
Joseph says
I will explain tomorrow
Joseph says
EXPLANATION
When I was reading the posts I was going to keep my nose out of it at first, you were doing a great job yourself AND I have been “basted” before. Well after a little thought I HAD TO jump in.
My writing came from my heart and a light went on in my head, this is really me, this IS how I feel. I was feeling a little down, new state, looking for a job AND finding a proper church with the correct doctrine. I don’t feel bad now. In part it was one word you used;
“Yes, Joseph, I see our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ …our *precious* Lord and Savior, the SAME way you do!”
The word was precious. It hit me like a train, made me feel very very humble and loved at the same time for that is what our Lord is …PRECIOUS. A gift I that there are no words to describe.
THAT is why I thank you
Champ says
Joseph, now I better understand what you meant, so thank you very much for sharing …
Yes, Jesus is our *precious* Lord and Savior!
There’s even a song entitled “Precious Jesus”, that we sometimes sing in our church.
And you have a lot on your plate, right now, so I will be praying that the Lord will bless you with a good church and a job, too.
Take care, dear brother!
Pam says
Peggy….. From your posts, you sound mature and respectful. I’m not a Christian, but I think Christians like you give me a different picture, you know, I’m in a kind of perpetual shock that Christians accept the divine confinement of all the ‘unsaved’ in Hellfire. I find that objectionable.
Peggy says
I find it extremely disturbing that some Christians are so radical about their Christianity and fail to see that they are becoming just as intollerant as the other side.
Moderation in any religion can only be a good thing. Judging who is a true Christian and who is not is not up to us. It really disturbs me when people start quoting the Bible to give their statements credibility and the right to judge.
Healthy debate is good but it is very important to stay focused, courtious and factual as much as possible.
Champ says
Healthy debate is good but it is very important to stay focused, courtious and factual as much as possible.
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Oh my, look how peggy is teaching what she must learn …amusing!
Champ says
peggy wrote:
Judging who is a true Christian and who is not is not up to us.
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This is a *false* assumption, and there is a right, and a wrong way, to judge another …
Christians are often accused of “judging” whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, “Do not judge.” There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically.
http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html
Peggy says
Sorry Champ, I didn’t realize that you are an ordained minister and can quote the Bible with authority.
Now I have treid my best not to reply to you because I don’t want to argue with you. So please do me a favour and try not to jump all over my posts directed at someone else. I am trying to ignore you because I can see that you need to have some anger management classes.
Good luck with that.
Champ says
peggy wrote:
So please do me a favour and try not to jump all over my posts directed at someone else.
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This is a bald-faced lie. Her above comment was obviously written about me given the nature of her comment, so I don’t know why ‘peggy’ thinks she’s fooling. Not me, that’s for sure.
And I am wholly confident in what I believe, and why I believe it, so ‘peggy’ is misguided in her beliefs that I have “anger issues”. I certainly do not. But I am bold and I don’t back down when faced with lies, etc. Poor ‘peggy’ is not sophisticated enough to make this distinction, and instead labels me as someone in need of anger management. How original. No, I am grounded in the truth of God, and I am not the least bit afraid to express those beliefs.
Champ says
peggy wrote:
Now I have treid my best not to reply to you because I don’t want to argue with you.
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Another false statement …
Then try harder, lol!!
Joseph says
@ Champ
Peggy says YOU need anger management?? That is rich.
She also made a statement about you being a ordained minister? Well I know who don’t read the bible(not you). We are supposed to BOLDLY go out and proclaim the Gospel. You don’t have to be a minister to do that. You are only doing as you are being directed by the Holy Spirit. Case in Point:…You NEVER suspected that you would lift my spirits up and give me courage and renewed hope when all this started. But you did and I am thankful for that. Things happen for a reason, stay strong and hold fast to what is true.
My prayers are with you.
Champ says
Joseph, I greatly appreciate your kind words and support, and you have encouraged me, too–thank you! And I’ve noticed peggy projecting her own ‘stuff’ onto me, as well. Kinda funny! Thank you for your input your prayers, dear brother and friend 🙂
Joseph says
@ Champ
She does it because it is easy
Just so you know
I’m a conservative also
I believe the Bible is 100% true
I believe in creation AND a young Earth
I love the book of John, KJV, it is like poetry to me.
I will talk to you tomorrow
Peggy says
NATO bombed Serbia , yes , and as you say , it helped moslims . But it’s goal was stopping Belgrads ( Russia’s allies ) ambitions ( of claiming all left of former Yugoslavia ) . And so NATO , and Serbia fought each other . In fact , there were big players playing the big game , called “WAR” , using/abusing the populations in the area . It was The West against Russia . It was about territory . And all sides in the conflict LIED about this real geo-political motive
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You’re right abolut all sides lying but that’s war. Truth is the first casualty of any war and if you happen to win a propaganda war you will be on your way to winning the actual war because you will have a lot of people backing you. Propaganda comes in many forms but to have some hope of moving toward the truth you need to know history of that region.
Serbs were not trying to take land away from anyone. Serbs have lived on that land as long as Croats or Muslims, depending on which state you are looking at.
When Slovenia broke away Croatia started smuggling arms through Hungarian border in preparation for their departure. All the old Nazi symbols from WW2 were coming out again and Serbs knew that they had to fight for their land and break away in order to be safe.Please look up Jasenovac concentration camp during WW2 and it will be clear why Serbs felt they had to fight. Croatian borders were not always as they are now so borders keep changing.
Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) are not some indigenous Muslim population there. They in fact are converts from Serbs and to a lesser extent Croatians to Islam during Ottomon empire. Serbs have been on that land before it became Islamisized so why then would be feel comfortable giving Muslims Bosnia to govern?
So does it look like Serbia was trying to steal anyone’s land now?
This is a lot more complicated than what CNN or BBC have put out there.
A great article to read is one by John Pilger on the situation
http://johnpilger.com/articles/reminders-of-kosovo
Also read the article titled the humanitarian killers of Kosovo from this page
https://www.lewrockwell.com/?d=2004-12-09
There is a lot more to know about what was really going on that what mainstream media has told us.
Peggy says
We have a tag team, Joseph and Champ taking turns in having a go at me.
The amount of replies I get from Champ clearly shows that she indeed has anger management problems.
She wants to turn this into a competition of who is the better Christian.
Ok Champ, the title can go to you. Will you leave ma lone now?
Peggy says
Will you leave ma lone now?
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Meant to say will you leave me alone now?
Joseph says
@ Peggy
We only said the truth.
Tag team? Where is Justin whom you defend???????????????
He is sitting back and watching.
That should be a big CLUE for you.
Peggy says
OK, I see I am going to have to spell it out to you.
I don’t defend Justin. I point out the hypocracy in you guys. You think you can say whatever you like, insult people, call them names and it’s fine but you don’t allow the others to say their bit if you don’t like the way they say it.
BTW, I believe in God too but obviously the two of you have decided thaty you are better Christians than I. Maybe you should practice some tolerance instead of attacking people.
That’s a sin you know. Pride is not on the good list.
Think about the way you two behave here for a while.
Champ says
Wow peggy is full of double standards, since just as Joseph pointed out, she has her own tag-team in effect with justin. And peggy is also lying, because she is the one who addressed me to get the conversation going–again, but now complains that I won’t leave her alone? Oh please.
Also, peggy made a comment on *another* thread designed to pull me in–but in fact I was the one who ignored her. She remarked to Wellington “not to use the Lord’s name in vain or it might upset someone” ..which was clearly directed at me. And now she whines that I won’t leave HER alone? What a lie!
I can only stand in amazement at peggy’s double standards and lies, at this point.
Just know that I won’t “leave you alone” until you stop addressing me and egging me on FIRST. Got it.
Or not. I rather enjoy delivering the truth against your nonsense …
Remember, this all started because I defended our Lord, but you’re too weak to do that. No, instead you’ve chosen to defend a hypocrite. Most impressive.
Matthew 10:33 …”But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.”
You have disowned Christ, peggy, by not defending His *precious* NAME and instead defended ‘justin’, and if I were you, then I would rethink that choice.
Peggy says
Also, peggy made a comment on *another* thread designed to pull me in–but in fact I was the one who ignored her. She remarked to Wellington “not to use the Lord’s name in vain or it might upset someone” ..which was clearly directed at me. And now she whines that I won’t leave HER alone? What a lie!
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Stop being paranoid. If you saw the similarity of that post with yourself, then that’s all there is to say.
Champ says
You’re lying–again. And I’m not paranoid, nor do I need anger management.
You made that comment, and here it is:
Peggy says
April 29, 2015 at 8:00 pm
Wellington says
April 29, 2015 at 7:18 pm
PJ: Respectfully I say to you that personal attacks directed towards voegelinian should cease. Criticize his ideas as much as you will, and God knows I have taken voegelinian on many times for some for this or that issue, often replete with gentle kidding, but purely denigrating him as you have at times serves no purpose
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My sentiments exactly. Why do people have to start with insults when they disagree with someone’s opinion? This totally invalidates their post because it is no longer a discussion but a slinging match.
Some people just can’t help themselves and think thaqt by degrading the other person somehow it makes them look smarter.
Oh, BTW, please don’t use our Lord’s name in vain like you just did. Some people here will be upset (sarc.)
This thread:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/04/uk-school-officials-publicly-humiliate-students-because-parents-refused-permission-for-mosque-visit/comment-page-1#comments
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Note what ‘peggy’ wrote …
“Oh, BTW, please don’t use our Lord’s name in vain like you just did. Some people here will be upset (sarc.)”
It’s clear that ‘peggy’ was directing this remark at me, and labeling me as “paranoid” is a cheap shot and a weak defense, at best, because she hates being caught in a lie. Now YOU look foolish. Quite foolish, in fact.
Peggy says
I never said that I didn’t make that comment so I am not lying about anything.
I just said that if you identify yourself with that then there is nothing more to say.
Where do you see a lie, I am admitting it.
Champ says
You’re kidding! …you claimed that I am “paranoid”, so there’s your lie–hello!
C’mon you can’t have it both ways. If you claim that I am “paranoid”, then you’re claiming that the comment was NOT directed at.
Oh, but now you’re “admitting it”, so I guess I’m *not* “paranoid” afterall. You are a terrible liar, you know that? You are way too easy to catch in a lie, lol!
voegelinian says
Yes; Phillip tends to sling around the accusation of “lying” like an employee at Burger King slings fatty patties — and apparently it’s catching on amongst his friends.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Yes; Phillip tends to sling around the accusation of “lying” like an employee at Burger King slings fatty patties”
This is a blatant lie. And logically, it makes no sense whatsoever – even if PJ (or anyone else, for that matter) was accusing people of lying as often as voeg falsely claims, there should be nothing wrong with that if PJ (or anyone else, for that matter) can prove that the people they’re accusing are, in fact, lying.
Notice that voeg doesn’t give any evidence to back his assertion. Seeing how he recently cherry-picked a months old quote from another user*, I find his lack of evidence very telling. Very telling indeed.
* http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/04/texas-muslims-murder-woman-for-helping-convert-their-daughter-to-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-1229182
Champ says
See the circular illogic here?
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Indeed–you nailed it, PJ!
And Graven & Wellington need to see how ‘voeg’ goads you here with his bullshit, and then they might reconsider, and perhaps retract, the *help* they gave him yesterday in ‘correcting’ you (oh brother!) He’s the one in need of correction. So Bravo! You sure told HIM off. He deserves it.
“He sounds just like a Mozlem to me, ironically enough – again.”
Yes–hes become TOXIC to CC on Jihad Watch, and I sure don’t think of him as being on *our side*. He’s more like the Lone Ranger and he rides a Jackass!
Take care, PJ! …all the best to you, my friend 🙂
Peggy says
Justin says
April 30, 2015 at 7:43 am
Dear Peggy:
Please don’t waste your precious time trying to reason with these creatures, they don’t deserve your time.
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Champ has lot the plot. She says she doesn’t need anger management when it’s clear by her posts which show she gets more upset with each passing hour and keeps frothing at the mouth. The never ending Bible quotes as if that somehow validates her more.
It’s quite amusing.
Champ says
The truth can be a sore subject to those caught in manipulation and lies …
And it’s obvious that the truth has hit a nerve with ‘peggy’ and ‘justin’. But that’s ok, the truth needs to go out anyway.
Yep, this pair of dysfunctional misfits ‘peggy’ and ‘justin’ deserve one another, as they enable each other NOT to serve the one true God in both truth and righteousness. Sure, why not, use the Lord’s name in vain to your hearts content ‘justin’ because ‘peggy’ will be RIGHT there defending you and giving you a pat on the back. Indeed, you two were meant for one another, lol!
Yes, I stand by all of my comments and I make no apology for defending my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ! …and I am *passionate* about *precious* Jesus and the Bible, and *passionate* about sharing the truth in the word of God! The word of God is instructive, and it’s obvious you two don’t read it, or even like the truth of God.
And poor ‘peggy’ can’t distinguish between anger and passion. But then again, ‘peggy’ can’t distinguish between what’s important, and what’s not. No, she would rather defend ‘justin’ than JESUS CHRIST! Wow, says a lot about ‘peggy’.
Joseph says
@ Champ
That says it all
Great reply
Champ says
Thank you, Joseph 🙂
Peggy says
Ok, one last attempt here and then I am really done. Sick of this rubbish.
For the last time I am not defending anyone. I am defending the right of people to state their opinion without being attacked and told they are not Christian.
When did I attack Jesus? Quoting passages from the Bible is not going to change the fact that I have not been attacking Jesus except that you hope it might make you look like a real Christian soldier and me, well, perhaps a Heretic. You have been desperately trying to make me into something I am not and you can call it passion but it certainly comes across as anger.
It all started with me saying that a lot of Christian use the phrase “For God’s sake or for Jesus’ sake” and then all of a sudded i am anti Jesus etc.
Now that was not defending anyone and merely making a statement. Did you really need to start the whole chain of emails and accusation of me being a liar and yes I have noticed that you put my name and Justin’s name in quotes. Trying to imply that we are one person?
You don’t even realize how ridiculous you sound getting all upset over one statement that was really very innocent?
Champ says
You don’t even realize how ridiculous you sound getting all upset over one statement that was really very innocent?
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Innocent? Not true, and very misleading!
I completely disagree with peggy, and here’s why …
Taking the Lord’s name in vain is a serious matter with God, and doing so is breaking the 3rd of the Ten Commandments:
1) “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2) “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
3) “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4) “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5) “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
6) “You shall not murder.
7) “You shall not commit adultery.
8) “You shall not steal.
9) “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10) “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
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Again, here’s the 3rd commandment:
3) “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.”
Clearly this is important to God, and those who use His name in vain are not “innocent”, as peggy alleges, but instead God says that the Lord will not “hold him guiltless” …a far cry from what peggy stated.
Bottom line: peggy has a problem with God over His 3rd commanment, so take it up with Him.
Peggy says
Why? It seems like you have taken it upon yourself to take it up with me.
Now go and shoot off another post a mile long quoting everything from the Bible that you think I am guilty of.
Champ says
peggy wrote:
Why? It seems like you have taken it upon yourself to take it up with me.
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Why? peggy, in your above comment to me you asked me a question, so I answered it.
Here was your question:
“You don’t even realize how ridiculous you sound getting all upset over one statement that was really very innocent?”
You ended that comment with a question mark, so that is “why” I answered you. Now you’re playing games, and I only play with adults ..
Toodles.
Joseph says
@ Champ
I took the question mark as meaning that NOW she is unsure just how innocent her statement was.
Say where is Justin the scatological wonder?
Champ says
Hi Joseph! Sorry, I have no idea where he is …
Champ says
I took the question mark as meaning that NOW she is unsure just how innocent her statement was.
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Hi Joseph, well I took the question mark to mean something else: that ‘peggy’ considers using the Lord’s name in vain to be no-big-deal, and that she wanted me to rethink my position. She ended ..”innocent?” ..as if to ask me, “Don’t you consider it to be innocent, too?” We read her question quite differently.
Take care, my friend 🙂