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Danish professor: Jihadis are just following the example of Muhammad

Apr 3, 2015 12:38 pm By Nicolai Sennels

Tina MagaardFor three years, a Danish linguist, Tina Magaard, analyzed the basic texts of ten religions. Her conclusion is that the texts of Islam stand out by encouraging terrorism and violence more than those of other religions.

Now Tina Magaard speaks out again. Translated by Nicolai Sennels, via 10News.dk:

Tina Magaard has great knowledge about Islam, both personally and academically. She believes that Danish experts in Islam fail to disclose what is in Islam’s holy scriptures, and the extent to which extremism draws its ammunition from these scriptures.…

She studied Arabic and read both the Qur’an and the hadiths. Here she recognized many of the repressive tendencies she had experienced [in her travels in Muslim countries].

“What is striking is not in itself that one can find murderous passages in the Islamic texts, as such passages can also be found in other religions. But it is striking how much space these passages take up in the Islamic texts, and how much they focus on an us-and-them logic in which infidels and apostates are characterized as dirty, rotten, criminal, hypocritical and dangerous. It it also striking how much these texts demand that the reader fight the infidels, both with words and with the sword. In many passages, Muhammad plays a central role as one who encourages the use of violence, whether it comes to stonings, beheadings, acts of war or execution of critics and poets.”

Tina Magaard finds it particularly objectionable that so many Islamic scholars in her opinion knowingly fail to disclose these facts, and use their positions of power to create specific standards for what you can say. Often, they also blame Danish racism rather than objectively stating that extremists actually find justifications for using violence and threats in Islam’s holy scriptures.…

Asked whether after Krudttønden (the terror attack in Copenhagen, February 2015) and the attack on Charlie Hebdo it is desirable for future harmony and coexistence to stop drawing Muhammad, Tina Magaards answers unequivocally:

“The only thing we get out of saying that we must not draw Muhammad is that there will be more religiously motivated restrictions on our freedoms. Rather, we must take the bull by the horns and question whether Muhammad did the right thing when he, for example, ordered his critics murdered. This is the discussion we need to have with European Muslims.”

The most thought-provoking thing, according to Tina Magaard, is that it is so difficult to find an imam who dares or wants to criticize the aspects of Islam which contradict liberal freedoms…

“Instead, you get a chitchat like: ‘It is not relevant to discuss this in Denmark now,’ or ‘this is a misunderstanding.’ But they refuse to criticise the concrete passages that terrorists use to justify their actions,” Magaard says.

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  1. mariam rove says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 12:45 pm

    Dutch…dead woman walking! M

    • Champ says

      Apr 3, 2015 at 1:39 pm

      Probably right, Mariam …yeah the truth about muhammad is too hot for mohammedans to handle.

      • mariam rove says

        Apr 3, 2015 at 2:51 pm

        Happy holidays to you and your family Champ! M

        • Champ says

          Apr 3, 2015 at 10:38 pm

          Thank you, Mariam!

      • Spot On says

        Apr 4, 2015 at 6:38 am

        Happy Easter to you and your family, Champ.

        • Champ says

          Apr 4, 2015 at 4:14 pm

          Thank you, Spot On! …and Happy Easter to you and yours! 🙂

    • Bamaguje says

      Apr 3, 2015 at 5:24 pm

      More likely she could be prosecuted for “hate speech”… like Geert Wilders, Brigitte Bardot and Elizabeth Sabadistch-Wolfe.
      It’s just not permissible to publicly state the ugly truth about Islam.

      • Betty says

        Apr 4, 2015 at 7:39 am

        what gets me is how they say truth is hate speech. for the truth to be told it it will open many eyes. to what islam really is. it is pure evil to me some may not see it like I do. truth may hurt some feelings but we have to learn to live with some hurt feelings in our life. I think it make us stronger.

        • Betty says

          Apr 4, 2015 at 7:42 am

          like I have to face the truth I am 75 years old today. some days I don’t feel like it. but the body lets me know I am no young chick any more. and that is the truth.

        • Linde Barrera says

          Apr 4, 2015 at 12:57 pm

          To Betty: Happy Birthday and many more. God bless you.

    • Spot On says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 6:46 am

      Miriam, Finally we see a professor doing a reality check. With all due respect to professors, it has been my experience from my earliest years, that most school teachers and and most college professors (with some great exceptions I might add) are not in touch with reality. Most have little common sense and this is understandable, given the nature of their job and lack of practical work experience.

      • Linde Barrera says

        Apr 4, 2015 at 12:54 pm

        To Spot On: You are entitled to your opinion of teachers. But having taken great pride in being an elementary public school teacher in NYC for 19 years, I can tell you honestly, it was and continues to be a very tough job. We have a saying: “Those who can, teach.”

        • Spot On says

          Apr 4, 2015 at 4:06 pm

          Linde, For the record, I have the greatest respect for teachers and professors and they deserve it. As I noted, there are some who have great practical experience and common sense. It must be difficult for anyone to exist and work in a theoretical environment and stay connected to the reality of a subject that keeps changing such as social or civil matters. However, understanding Muslims is something that has not changed in 1400 years and yet most of our teachers and professors choose to be PC-MC and ignorant on this subject which is becoming much more critical to our lives these days. I believe that everyone knew more about Muslims 60 years ago than they do today. In those days, everyone was allowed to speak their mind and everyone learned much more as a result.

        • Linde Barrera says

          Apr 4, 2015 at 4:19 pm

          Thank you Spot On. I do not understand what all this political correctness is about. My attitude is that I certainly don’t want to offend anyone, but the truth is the truth. And in Islam if their Holy Book says people who don’t convert to Islam should be killed, then everyone needs to know that because that is the truth. “A stinkweed by any other name is still a stinkweed”.

  2. Januk36 says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 12:47 pm

    3 years to understand the truth ? Slow learner.

    • Mark says

      Apr 3, 2015 at 12:55 pm

      Or more understandably three years to work up the courage to speak the truth in public.

      • The Doctor says

        Apr 3, 2015 at 1:09 pm

        Or more likely, three years to study the material, understand it, and build up an air-tight case that will withstand even the most rigorous academic analysis. Keep in mind the three years were not studying ONLY Islam. She had to work through all other major religions within that time as well.

        • TH says

          Apr 3, 2015 at 3:48 pm

          She also hedges her statements about koranic violent texts with the notion that there are such texts in other religions. As for Christianity there are ZEROtexts calling for violence and killing non believers. If the Old Testament is properly interpeted there are none either. There is violence but nowhere are Jews ordered to kill non believers.

      • cs says

        Apr 3, 2015 at 1:19 pm

        She could have understood much earlier, but due to intellectual rigor more time was needed, three years is not much really, the amount of texts are bizarre.

  3. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 1:01 pm

    But they refuse to criticise the concrete passages that terrorists use to justify their actions,” Magaard says.

    “They” being both the Moslems and their liberal apologists. Go find an offensive passage in Leviticus and call it a day.

    Isn’t it odd that, in these days of atheism in full bloom, that this science impelled movement has What makes it all the more ironic is that the world arrival of atheism has upon its birth run directly up against violent opposition in the form one religion that calls for the enslavement of all. It’s only makes it harder to swallow that these Moslems expect preferential treatment and fat monthly welfare checks.

    Nice thought, Tina, but too little too late. What you did individually in the last few years shoulda been done by everybody en masse decades ago. Churchill was right.

    • Nimrod says

      Apr 3, 2015 at 3:59 pm

      Next she needs to do an analysis of the de facto religion of Marxist zero-sum conflict theory that underlies the islamofascism-denial and jihad-denial in the west.

      In other words, she’s attacked the factors within Islam that lead to violent behavior and the denial that Muslims exhibit, now she needs to attack the factors in the west that lead most westerners to deny cause-and-effect with regard to Islam.

      She notes that academics are not telling the truth, but she needs to expose the de facto religious, political, and economic reasons why they don’t.

      • Demsci says

        Apr 3, 2015 at 11:36 pm

        Excellent approach. Which I like to call “defensive” approach. And can we augment it with an approach that finds and enhances a more offensive reaction to Islam?

        Tina Magaard provides yet more evidence of influence of Quran-Hadiths on Muslims that we must guard our lives and freedom against. She thereby helps to shift the burden of proof towards Muslims and apologists so that they now have to prove that these texts are as harmless, neutral as THEY say. As evidence now more and more show they are detrimental and Islam could well be “sued”,”indicted”, so to speak.

        With the well-known 2 possibilities about Quran-Hadiths;
        I. These texts are unequivocal bad influence. Meaning: Islam is clear and anti-thetical and detrimental to Democracy and freedom and it makes Muslims hostile to it, in ways that only vary in magnitude, due to knowledge and dedication levels of Muslims.

        II. These texts are notoriously OIAC; Obsolete, Incomplete, Ambiguous, Contradictory. So they fail proper standards of Contemporariness, Completeness, Clearness, Consistency.

        This then means the possibility of more democracy-compatible interpretation of them DOES exist.

        BUT this definitely also does mean that indiscriminate belief in and highest possible dedication to these texts ARE A BIG PROBLEM/ DANGER/ DISADVANTAGE for Democracy and it’s adherents.

        This should let parties and governments reconsider now existing almost total freedom of religion with almost no conditions.

        Instead the best OPTION that parties and governments in future could give Muslims living in, or aspiring to live in, Democratic countries is that

        Muslims officially submit to a beneficial enough considered INTERPRETATION of Islam, thereby earning a Quality Mark.

        Or do without such Quality Mark Muslims but then they cannot immigrate anymore into Democratic Countries and when they already live there should face request of Out-migration or face whatever penalties are found reasonable for clinging to an unadulterated commitment to such criminally OICA-texts.

        And the reason that this complicated policy is needed is because only such a policy might in future get us Democratic Loyalists the reguired acceptability and majority in parliament.

        I go for the description of Quran-Hadiths as

        “Fatally flawed, because dangerously Obsolete, Incomplete, Contradictory, Ambiguous”, while also being OF PRIME PRESCRIPTIVE significance to multitudes of people.

        And religion is a choice citizens of Democratic countries should be held accountable for, IMO.

  4. Jay Airahs says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    “But it is striking … how much they focus on an us-and-them logic in which infidels and apostates are characterized as dirty, rotten, criminal, hypocritical and dangerous”
    ———-

    In reference to (us-and-them logic)
    Good fiction writing — demands that both the protagonist and antagonist be plausible.
    Muhammad’s applauding god figure is conveniently always available to come to Muhammad’s rescue and save him from accountability while simultaneously condemning his enemies as the absolute worst of humanity.
    Islamic fiction requires more than a temporary suspension of disbelief; it requires a total surrender to willful ignorance.
    His editor scribe must have been a paid hack to copy his rambling rants to paper.

    • Ren says

      Apr 3, 2015 at 7:03 pm

      “Islamic fiction requires more than a temporary suspension of disbelief; it requires a total surrender to willful ignorance.”

      That is why whenever i talk to a muslim, i find his logical cognition so weird. It does not fit to reality and most of his conclusions are so distorted… and i wondered why!

      • Nimrod says

        Apr 3, 2015 at 9:50 pm

        As Churchhill said, Islam is as dangerous to one’s mind as rabies. So the cognitive problems you noticed are just the symptoms of the memetic form of rabies known as Islam.

        This memetic rabies also causes inbreeding which helps it survive. (See rates of first and second cousin marriages in Saudi Arabia.)

  5. Champ says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    The truth will set you free …but the truth about muhammad will set a muslims hair on fire!

    • Betty says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 8:01 am

      hahahah love that.well have you ever heard of brains and eggs fully cooked. some muslims eat the hearts and liver of those they kill. they keep on they will have a smorgasbord. and never be hungry again.

  6. Linde Barrera says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    Remarkable revelation coming from academia. Thank you Tina Magaard for your scholarship and bravery. I don’t care that it is overdue. This truthful and substantial report should be published in every major newspaper in the world. Name of professor and nationality need not be disclosed. And someone of repute is finally agreeing with Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller. Remarkable.

  7. Linde Barrera says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 1:36 pm

    To Kufar: Allow me to respectfully dispute one of your points. You stated that most of us already know of the findings that Tina Magaard wrote about with respect to violence and killings in Islamic texts. I have found just the opposite. Most people I have spoken to since last summer (when ISIS threatened to kill Pres Obama and put their flag at the White House) believe the hype about the “religion of peace”. I know I did, until I kept reading Jihad Watch and saw how English speaking subscribers cited chapter and verse in the Quran with regard to violence and killings. So I would like to suggest that you talk with people you meet (not family and friends) for the next 60 days and ask them if they know there are 109 verses in the Quran that pertain to “jihad” and see what they respond. My money is on 9 out of 10 telling you “I didn’t know that.” Thank you.

  8. ECAW says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    All so bleeding obvious that only intellectuals could miss it. Let’s hope that other, more enlightened, intellectuals like this one can lead them gently towards the light.

  9. el-cid says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 2:04 pm

    It appears that in fact she has been giving this message for over 9 years. This research appears to be intended to provide unassailable proof against apologists (like Obama) who compare Islam to Christianity, and who say that Christianity is “the same”.

    Textual analysis is a quantitative research approach that does not rely on human interpretation.

  10. Beagle says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 2:38 pm

    I searched the quotes in Bin Laden’s ’96 and ’98 fatwas when I got my first high speed Internet in 2000. I reached the same conclusion in a few months. I guess she is more thorough.

    • The Doctor says

      Apr 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm

      I’m sure she reached the same conclusions quickly, but the rigours required of academic research required much more time and more detailed research in order to eliminate any claims that she simply missed something. She needed to build and air-tight argument with overwhelming evidence so that her work could not simply be brushed off as being merely a cursory examination of Islam. She learned Arabic so she could read the texts in their original language just to dodge the inevitable argument that the Qur’an can only be understood in the original Arabic.

      Even Muslims dare not say that it can only be understood by native speakers because then they would have to declare all Muslims who are not native Arabic speakers to be apostates and they would automatically discredit nearly all converts. Who would even consider joining a religion where you’re automatically and forever condemned to second-class status? (This raises the question as to why any woman would voluntarily and without duress or coercion convert to Islam.)

  11. cat says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    Excellent. Danish Professor Magaard wrote about her research. While browsing the local public library I ran across a thin pamphlet of writings of OBL, quite by accident. I nervously took a look and read some of the pages. But I had already known that he was speaking about Islam…..early after 9/11 and even earlier Time Mag, and real news reports use to air clips from his messages. Then it seemed to disappear and that was no accident, it was deliberate that the information was deep six’d. so they say. But that organization the MB that “does not exist”(?) and maybe some influence from Saudi Arabia it was denied. But I am speculating. Even today the same library has a book about Extreme Islam and the last pages had information on how to kill. I should have asked the librarian about this book and why it was in the public library but I thought it was something about free speech….although I found it very much a threat to society. What happened to our universities is that they may really be in the left field…..

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 3, 2015 at 4:58 pm

      Just curious – what country do you live in?

      • cat says

        Apr 3, 2015 at 9:15 pm

        U.S. Wisconsin Public Library

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Apr 4, 2015 at 7:25 am

          Public libraries have their uses.

          by the way…your story confirms my suspicion that one of the key characteristics of those non-muslims who, like the old hands at this forum, were among the first to recognise the danger of Islam is this…curiosity. A really strong “bump of curiosity”. You saw that thin volume; you had a peek inside.

          This is one of the reasons why I have begun to think that in attempting to ‘wake up’ those who are still ‘asleep’ or at present misinformed/ deceived on this subject, we should be trying to figure out ways of making them *curious*.

        • Linde Barrera says

          Apr 4, 2015 at 1:11 pm

          To dumbledoresarmy: Your suggestion about making the non- Islamic general public to become more curious, is absolutely brilliant. Premise: The general public/citizenry have been taught to trust” the people who broadcast “the truth”. Question: what can we, who know the real truth about Islam, do, so more and more of the general public/citizenry will not just learn but be convinced and convicted that Islam is not the revealed word of God?

  12. Dee says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    The veracity of her work will be measured in the viciousness of attacks against it and her in the coming days.

    The ‘conclusion’ link is dead already.

    • Dee says

      Apr 3, 2015 at 3:25 pm

      Ok, here it is: http://10news.dk/?p=1126

      • Yokel says

        Apr 4, 2015 at 7:39 am

        Sorry, that isn’t it. The p=1126 link goes to Nicolai Sennels’ article on 10news.dk that is just as above. It too has a dead link to the conclusions of the research.

  13. cat says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    One last thing, I am grateful I was not indoctrinated with the “Religion of Peace”. To Linde B ‘s comment I also noticed some of my very liberal friends and family ….had no clue ……and when I wanted so much to inform or discuss the news or the issue the responses were so typical about “not all Muslims” etc. instead of inquiring about the doctrine. I was so shocked by the indifference and very distressed. I tried harder however it was difficult and some relations were affected. However lately the news is so compelling I wonder if they now see some evidence….I find I cannot even watch many movies since it is so violent and and I know that somewhere in the world people are suffering. The response was I trust the government to take care of this not understanding we are not in Kansas anymore.

    • Nimrod says

      Apr 3, 2015 at 4:29 pm

      I have experienced the same sort of situation with trying to explain Islam and jihad to people who responded with the usual denial like “not all Muslims” and stuff like that. I even got online and talked to Muslims in chat rooms, told other people what sort of stuff they had told me, and that was mostly dismissed as well using the “those are just the ‘conservative’ Muslims. Most Muslims are ‘moderate’ but they aren’t in chat rooms.”

      The main problem is that people don’t understand the difference between “moderate” defined as having an affirmative belief in moderation and “moderate” as someone with no affirmative belief in moderation who simply finds their extreme beliefs (such as sharia law) impractical to follow in their particular situation.

      In other words there’s a difference between an “affirmative moderate” who has an affirmative belief that sharia law refers to some scientific notion of natural law but not what is expressed in Reliance of the Traveler, and a “pragmatic moderate” who believes that sharia law as expressed in Reliance of the Traveler is commanded by Allah and must be enforced on the infidel eventually, but it simply isn’t practical to achieve this at the moment.

      The only affirmative moderate Islamic sect I know of is the Ahmadiyya and they are considered either infidels or apostates by mainstream Sunni or Shia to the point where they are not allowed to enter Mecca or legally call themselves Muslim. (They also have the problem that they talk about their own beliefs as just “Islam” and falsely give people the impression that all Muslims are Ahmadiyya. So they end up generating taqiyya or tawriya regardless of whether it’s intentional or not.)

      The average person is unwilling or unable to think in a high enough level of detail to understand any of this.

  14. Nimrod says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    Someone please give this woman a Nobel Prize along with any other prize that even remotely makes sense.

    “Rather, we must take the bull by the horns and question whether Muhammad did the right thing when he, for example, ordered his critics murdered. This is the discussion we need to have with European Muslims.”

    Yes, exactly! And you will get very few if any Muslims anywhere, even Europe or the U.S., who will deny that Mahomet should have had his critics assassinated. Especially not muslim leaders.

    • Yokel says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 7:43 am

      It will not be discussed because allah himself describes mohammed as the perfect man and the example for all to emulate. Any questioning of the motives or actions of mohammed will be seen by devout muslims as blasphemy at least as bad as blaspheming allah.

  15. Sam says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    Give the woman credit please. So rare that we have brave people to call Islam what it is. EVIL. Compare her to our Traitor Obama
    We should help and protect truth tellers like her.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Apr 3, 2015 at 4:56 pm

      Especially an academic. That almost never happens. In fact, this may be the first time ever, anywhere. Except for Dr. Andrew Bostom, M.D., but he researches and writes on the side, when he’s not teaching at the medical school. So he doesn’t count.

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Apr 4, 2015 at 7:47 am

        You’re forgetting Carol Swain, at Vanderbilt, Professor of Law and Political Science.

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/vanderbilt-university-muslim-brotherhood-linked-student-group-tries-to-bully-professor-who-criticized-islam-into-silence

        Do we know what happened to her?

        She put things pretty plainly (indeed, I suspect she may have been spending some of her spare time perusing what’s on offer at Bill Warner’s Centre for the Study of Political Islam.. or maybe even lurking here from time to time – if so, I take my hat off to her).

        She and Ms Magaard should be in the running for an Award: Anti-Dhimmi of the Year (category: Academic or Intellectual).

  16. mortimer says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 4:54 pm

    MANGE TAK, Tina! Du er FANTASTISK!

    • particolor says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 5:43 am

      What ? Chuck them all in Kilauea !! 🙂

  17. Wellington says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    Unfortunately, this will still all be lost on the current crop of Western elites. Understand, I applaud this brave and informed woman for what she has done, but I guarantee that the Obamas, Camerons, Kerrys and Mays out there will not register whatsoever what Magaard has accomplished.

    Just as Islam is determined never to change, so is it the case with the current crop of Western elites. Does anyone really think that a snob like Cameron or Obama will EVER say, “Yes, I have been wrong about Islam and now see it for the deeply troubling ideology which it is?” Oh yeah, ain’t gonna’ happen and that’s why the West needs a complete new leadership (because, let’s face it, when the opposition is someone like Senator John McCain or the Labour Party in the UK——well, I’m sure you grasp my point here). To say the least, ain’t there yet now, are we? No, the West is still stuck with rubes like Obama and Cameron and at least most of the Western elites waiting in the wings to replace these underwhelming men have learned nothing about how silly and destructive Obama and Cameron et al. have been. Oh yeah, still in the new Dark Ages. Need a Charles Martel type rather soon I’d say.

  18. abad says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    The truth about Mohammad and Islam will make a rational person reject it as a “Religion of Peace” (TM) and see it for what it really is.

  19. Ramon says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    Bravo…!

    Now. Abdullah keep going…to the light…to the light!

    Every night I pray to thank God that I was not born into this religion…I feel so bad for those who were, and are trapped…I hope they get the courage to leave…

  20. jewdog says

    Apr 3, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    Nice to hear from her again. She was quoted by Fjordman a few years back, but then I haven’t heard much since. It’s rare to find someone who is linguistically capable enough to traverse the texts of several religions in the original. I like how she speaks about things as a matter of emphasis and proportion, rather than in absolutes, and how she bases her judgements on the careful evaluation of the evidence. She is a true scientist.

    • Semeru says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 7:24 am

      Yes Fjordman did quote her on his blog 10 years ago

      “Islam is the most Warlike religion

      A Danish language researcher has spent over three years analyzing the original texts of ten different religions, and concludes that the Islamic texts stand out by encouraging terror and violence to a larger degree than other religions do. Four years after the terror attacks at the World Trade Center, Danish linguist Tina Magaard presents an analysis that questions Islam’s relationship with terror, violence and Holy War.”

      http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/09/islam-is-most-warlike-religion.html

  21. D says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 12:02 am

    “//For three years, a Danish linguist, Tina Magaard, analyzed the basic texts of ten religions.”//

    We democratic loyalists do have and should cultivate “basic texts” of our own. And compare, contrast them with those of Islam.

    in a world with # 118 democratic countries and many more democratic cities in them, could it be that some of their governments will in future declare;

    THESE are OUR “basic texts” and you can only live in our city/ country when they are your Most Important Guidelines (MIG) and when you do not have any MIG-texts that are proven to potentially contradict them and support it’s enemies.

    And as Muslim living here, you must have a quality mark that YOUR VERSION of Islam is considered by us beneficial, harmless or neutral enough.

    Because: WHY would we be forced to take in and harbour citizens that follow at least potentially anti-Democratic MIG-texts, that are those of enemies to our way of life as is proven by now???

    South Korea might start such a rule, it already has only a few Muslims.

  22. cheesecake says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 4:05 am

    Why is criticising Islam racist yet it is not racist when criticising Christianity?

  23. David says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 4:55 am

    Without the light Baha’u’llah’s Writings thrown on the Quran it isn’t easy to understand properly. In The Book of Certitude revealed by Baha’u’llah in two days and nights in Baghdad many mysteries of the Quran are unfolded.

    We Baha’is accept the Quran and Muhammad but it’s the interpretations of Baha’u’llah which promote peace and unity which accounts for Baha’is being non violent and still accepting the full authority of the Quran.

    Two major things Baha’u’llah did was to abolish Holy War and priesthood and He only confirmed the authenticity of the Word of God so hadiths have no place in the Baha’i Faith

    Here is the law Baha’u’llah revealed regarding Holy War. The law is for all mankind so we are already seeing people oppose it very strongly as it is in accordance with this new Revelation from God. Holy War will eventually disappear as more people oppose it.

    O people of the earth!

    The first Glad-Tidings which the Mother Book hath, in this Most Great Revelation, imparted unto all the peoples of the world is that the law of holy war hath been blotted out from the Book. Glorified be the All-Merciful, the Lord of grace abounding, through Whom the door of heavenly bounty hath been flung open in the face of all that are in heaven and on earth.

    “Beware lest ye shed the blood of any one. Unsheathe the sword of your tongue from the scabbard of utterance, for therewith ye can conquer the citadels of men’s hearts. We have abolished the law to wage holy war against each other. God’s mercy hath, verily, encompassed all created things, if ye do but understand”. – Baha’u’llah

    • duh_swami says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 5:13 am

      Does that mean that the Quran was loaded with inaccuracies, falsehoods, and hidden meanings but your glorious leader fixed all that and turned a rotten grape into a ripe juicy strawberry? Did he ask Allah if he could reveal hidden messages? I bet pious Mahoundians consider that blasphemy…

    • Aardvark says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 5:39 am

      “We Baha’is accept the Quran and Muhammad…”

      ‘Nuff said!

      We Western civilised folk do NOT accept Mohammed, and consider his insane ramblings in the Koran to be vile, despicable nonsense.

      Anyone who thinks they can come up with (or ‘reveal’) laws for all of mankind has serious mental problems. Your Baha’u’llah seems to be no exception.

    • Denis MacEoin says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 8:58 am

      You are right that Baha’ Allah abrogated jihad. But you ignore the fact that Baha’is also believe that his predecessor, Sayyid ‘Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the Bab, proclaimed jihad, that his followers were armed and made weapons for themselves, and that he ordered the destruction of all holy places. And you ignore the fact that Baha’ Alklah, in al-Kitab al-aqdas states that an aronist must be punished by being burned alive. Bahaism is i8ndeed a step beyond Islam and Babism, and it has a lot of god things in it when compared to most other religions. But it is far from perfect, and its veneration of Muhammad is very skewed.

  24. duh_swami says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 5:17 am

    It’s more than just following examples…Mahoundians worship Mahound, that’s why they are Mahoundians…They can deny it, but if you look closely, you can see them doing it…

  25. Savant says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 7:53 am

    DON’T be afraid of Islam or muslims . That’s Islamophobia, and it can

    hurt muslim’s feelings when khuffar are afraid of them.
    DON’T think bad things about Islam or muslims, because of a minority of

    muslims who are committing Jihad. That is racist, because most muslims

    are Pakistani, indonesian, middle eastern, etc.
    Jihad is just following Mohammad’s example and teaching.
    Jihad is just doing the will of Allah.
    When Jihadis kill people it’s not the Jihadis that kill,- it is Allah that kills

    through them.
    If everyone would just accept that Allah is God and submit and do

    whatever Allah wants, and not do what Allah doesn’t want, then Allah

    would love everyone, and muslims would not have to fight against kuffar

    and apostates because we would all be muslims together loving our fellow

    muslims.
    Islam is a religion of Peace, not war !!

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 7:57 am

      You’re being sarcastic???

    • Linde Barrera says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 1:41 pm

      To Savant: I am a Christian lady, and I will never convert to Islam. I honestly cannot discern if you really mean your intentions about Muslims loving other Muslims, or if you are being sarcastic. But here’s what my Saviour Christ Jesus would say: “If you love only those who love you, what reward do you have? Even corrupt tax collectors do the same.” Matt 5:46.

  26. dumbledoresarmy says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 7:56 am

    Y’know, I think there’s hope for Denmark.

    Perhaps there’s a reason why we owe the story about the emperor’s new clothes, and the truth-telling child, to a Dane, Hans Christian Andersen.

    We have, to our knowledge, four intelligent Danes calling it like it is.

    Tina Magaard.

    Niccolai Sennels.

    Lars Hedegaard.

    Kurt Westergaard.

    They see what they see and they say – or draw – what they see.

    Holger Dansker is not dead; he is awakening.

    And those are only the ones we have gotten to know about; I’ll bet there are more, to judge from the steady gains made by the Danish People’s Party.

    May the awakening in Denmark accelerate, ever more swiftly, more and more Danes seeing things as they are, not as the dawa merchants and Islamophiles pretend them to be.

    Seeing right through all the veils and masks of deceit with which the Ummah has surrounded itself in the West.

  27. Gardner Behrends says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 8:55 am

    A better understanding of the violence commanded by the Koran derives from reading its verses chronologically and knowing that the later verses abrogate, or annul, the earlier. Mohammed espoused peace and love in early Mecca to attract followers. Later, as a bloodthirsty pirate and pedophile in Medina, he enticed his band with the spoils of conquest and the promise of an afterlife paradise. Examples of his lying and deceit to infidels are condoned as Taqiyya to further the cause of Islam.

    After the Reconquista of Spain, remaining Muslims kept causing so much trouble that they were expelled. The inquisition was an attempt to weed out any others. Will the west revisit this policy after it tires of perpetual jihad and pushes back with another crusade?

  28. Bruce says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 9:08 am

    Islam is a satanic religion. The Unholy Koran was dictated by Satan.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 3:23 pm

      Bruce, We need to go beyond merely complaining like you do (to one another as kafirs) and ask the Mohammedans if they agree with Mohammed.

      Dr. Magaard says: “we must take the bull by the horns and question whether Muhammad did the right thing when he, for example, ordered his critics murdered”

      That is the question we should be asking to ALL MOHAMMEDANS…

      …”do you believe Mohammed did the right thing by murdering of his critics?”

      • Ephesian says

        Apr 5, 2015 at 3:26 am

        Have you seen Anjem Choudary answer such a question? They won’t answer,they evade better than any politician,because to answer truthfully would tell us what we alreday know,and to lie,would mean death to them,so they won’t do it.

    • yuval Brandstetter MD says

      Apr 5, 2015 at 12:59 am

      Islam is a very human religion, it has nothing to do with Statan. It releases Man from all inhibitions regarding use of power and violence by placing a higher authority above the abrahamic god of mercy tolerance love compassion and freedom and promise. It unleashes Man’s basic will to impose his will by whatever means, by characterizing the Other as less than Man. Islam undoes all those pesky rules of engagement imposed by Judeo-christian culture which demand awful self-restriciton. This is not Satatn. This is merely Man without God.

      • Linde Barrera says

        Apr 5, 2015 at 2:09 am

        To Yuval Brandstetter MD, Your comment provokes thought, but I don’t agree with it. Man without God is atheism. There is no scripture or doctrine that I know of that instructs atheists to kill non- atheists. Jesus Christ, who is God Incarnate, instructed his listeners to “Deny Thyself”. But Satan, the great deceiver who prowls the Earth for souls to devour, would inspire in some people the idea that whoever doesn’t believe this thing or do that thing, needs to be liquidated. So in my opinion, Satan could have been the voice that Muhammad heard.

        • Kepha says

          Apr 5, 2015 at 10:37 am

          Never tell me that “atheism” (which is such only towards the biblical God) is non-violent.

          Roger Baldwin, prior to his disillusionment with Stalin’s Russia, once held that he yearned for the day when the last Senator would be strangled with the guts of the last preacher. Marx and Engles believed that violent revolution against outmoded classes is a necessary part of “progress”. Nietzsche glorified the will to power, and scorned those he saw as weak.

          In the 20th century alone, more were killed, imprisoned, or made refugees in the name of “progress” (as understood by evolutionary materialists, logical positivists, and other who dismissed the Christian God as a babbling irrelevancy at best) than suffered for the wrong kind of Christianity or none at all in the 15 centuries between the conversion of Constantine and Ruggles v. New York (decided by a state Supreme Court full of the disciples of John Jay, by the way).

          I believe that the alliance between Islam and “secular liberalism” is in fact no accident. Both have a common enemy in Christianity and both are fundamentally destructive.

        • Linde Barrera says

          Apr 5, 2015 at 11:41 am

          To Kepha: Thank you for refreshing my memory. You are completely correct, of course. I learned about Marx, Engles, Nietzsche, Stalin and their “reform agenda”. In my 20s and 30s I knew many American communists, some who were Jewish, some Christian, some atheist. Their advocacy of “communist reform” was based more on a collective economic, social and political change, but none of them advocated violence or killing. Again, I appreciate your scholarship and your delivery of it. And to every reader of Jihad Watch, I wish you all Happy Resurrection Day.

      • PatnCats says

        Apr 5, 2015 at 12:41 pm

        Yes, I understand clearly what you are saying. Dr Yuval. Man without God – i.e. Release of all morality and compassion to give way to the BASES of INSTINCTS as isalm has been and currrently is, for over 1,400 years. (Now, calm yourselves Atheists, we are not talking about personal beliefs here directed at you, so sit tight and think about what Dr. Yuval is saying) So Dr. Yuval, to help me paraphrase and I”m really kind of thinking aloud – or on this forum….Just what Muhamm released in this followers – was and is – a free for all bloodshed to take what you want and kill whom you want with the GOOD CONSEQUENCES OF PLEASING Fake ALLAH and the Fake PROPHET OF ALLAH – Muhamm himself – sitting on his camel, smiling approvingly at his followers’ butchery. The murder of peaceful Arabs, taking the belongings of the murdered, and raping of the defeated women and girls – and take all women that please them as their sex slaves, kill at will who ever Muhamm wished. No accountability to a ”’higher power”” (Jewish, Christian, or Arab) but a ”’higher higher power that LIKES butchery of those this higher higher power wishes to destroy””. AND Muhammed KNOWS what this higher higher power wishes everyone to do. Amazingly simplistic. So Muhamm feeds his young followers a total higher higher power approval of butchering and no consequence, total breakdown of the Arabic society at the time, then the attacks on Jews and Christians to follow. That is definately thought provoking. Mohamm – being a psychopathic and epeleptic – wanted his total will over all people, with no consequences to himself. By saying this fake Paradise would be his butchering followers reward if they were killed, his followers were in a win-win (so they thought). After plundering, murdering and raping, and they lived, they would have all the goodies – the booty, wealthy, women to rape wantonly without backlash. If they died, then they still get all the goodies of Muhamm’s faked Paradise – raping virgins and drinking wine and eating rich foods all day. Hey folks, this is a win-win for a barbarin mindset under the guise of a ”’religion”’. And his ignorant young followers bought this line — hook, line and sinker. Islam – in our modern world – is appealing to the backward and ignorant of these third world islamic counties , because of the ignorance of followers, the kooran puts these wanna’be butchers back in the 7th century. NOW, why the breakdown in muslim families born in the USA, Europe and Britain? The families who came here under aslyum, and are muslims – they see the breakdown happening again – so the muslims here – a cab driver, a motel cleaner, a 7-11 cashier, oh, a doctor, a professor of isalmic history, an engineer – are buying back into the ”’scam”’ that Muhamm preached, the win-win. We find is appalling, but to those of lower intelligence or lower education, this is greatly appealling. We are experiencing much of what H.G. Wells wrote in his Time Machine, the Eloy being destroyed by the Morlocks. (for lunch, but the metaphor is there.) Anyway – whether we are Christian, Atheists or Jewish, Hindu, Buddists, or Just a FREE Man or Free Woman, we need to BAND TOGETHER and fight islam – to fight islam we NEED TO EDUCATE OURSELVES about islam — and continually barrage our politicos and news pundits THAT WE KNOW ISLAM FOR WHAT IT IS and DEMAND accuracy in reporting the butchery by ISLAM’s followers. We need to DEMAND groups fighting against our free speech such as CAIR are ruled as SEDITIOUS and TRAITORUS to the US government – and seeks its overthrow – which it does. Remember the Constitution? For us Jews, Christians, Atheists, Hindus, Buddists, and all freedom desiring people who DO LIVE together peacefully – islam and the teachings of the psychopathic Muhammed need to be banned, mosques teaching this need to be closed, their TAX EXEMPT status REVOKED, and groups such as CAIR – the members need to be brought up on charges of TREASON. Anyone yelling akbar allah and killing people, charged on war crimes, crimes agaisnt humanity – tried in a court and if judged guilty – punishment befitting their crimes.
        FIRST and FOREMOST – all of us reading these JihadWatch – and again us Jews, Atheists, Christians, Hindus, Buddists, ALL FREE PEOPLE – if you want to remain so – PLEASE do not bash each other – STOP criticism of each other – rather bash ISLAM. BASH MUHAMMED, BASH the KORAN. By attacking each other we are DIVIDED which is when islam finds us seperately WEAK, it triumphs. You’ve given me a lot to thing about Dr. Yuval.

  29. Richard Courtemanche says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 9:55 am

    Apparently, it has become a cliché to point out that science and reason once flourished in the Islamic world. Nonetheless, it is true. While Europe stumbled through the Dark Ages, Islamic scholars made dramatic advances in every field of science including mathematics, optics and experimental physics. Our modern world was built on the scientific breakthroughs of Islam. From the eighth century, mathematicians such as Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī, who helped develop algebra, there is a direct line of progress that ends with the space station itself. But we no longer associate Islam with progress. In fact, a Muslim astronaut would surprise us as much as a non-Muslim terrorist (although there are many examples of each).

    • ECAW says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 10:23 am

      Is it not pitiful that Muslims have to look back a thousand years to find their forebears doing anything constructive, and more so to make such a big thing about it?

      As I read somewhere recently, “Since the astrolabe, Muslims societies have produced nothing but blood and more Muslims”.

    • Shane says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 10:33 am

      You mean that science and reason flourished in countries that were conquered by ignorant Muslims armies of fanatics. How are your comments related to the post? This brave woman is telling the truth about Islam, which could get her accused of hate speech in several European countries. It is harmful for those who know Islam to lie about it not being a violent religion of jihad against the infidels.

      Read Robert Spencer’s “The Truth About Muhammad” to learn what a violent guy Muhammad really was.

    • Wellington says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 12:18 pm

      Such advancements have been overblown just as has so-called tolerance by Muslims in the medieval era. And any advancements that did occur (and were not just non-Muslims functoning and producing in Muslim-controlled areas) were, for all intents and purposes, in spite of Islam and not because of it. Bertrand Russell in his History of Western Philosophy stated that the medieval Islamic world produced a few good commenters on ancient Greek thought but no first-class original minds as was the case with Christian thinkers like Anselm and Aquinas. Moreover, once the Muslim clerics got a hold of one Islamic society after another by around 1200 A.D., the Islamic world really started to wither on the vine. In short, the more Islam you have the less progress occurs.

      • Annie says

        Apr 4, 2015 at 1:29 pm

        Yes because progress cannot happen without freedom, and Islam severely curtails that, as we can see.

      • terry says

        Apr 5, 2015 at 12:21 am

        “In short, the more Islam you have the less progress occurs.”

        That’s exactly it, Wellington!!

      • Kepha says

        Apr 5, 2015 at 10:31 am

        I have always found it telling that while Ibn Roshd (Averroes) taught that the findings of reason and revelation run along two different tracks, Thomas Aquinas and Moses Maimonides saw that ultimately, there could be no cocnflict between the findings of reason rightly understood and revelation. It all depends on which Scripture you read.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 12:19 pm

      Richard’s hasty conclusions about so-called ‘Islamic science’ are egregious clichés based on a lack of historic research. The deeper answer is that the Mohammedans conquered the regions of Syria, Persia and India and all had their own scientific communities. The Mohammedans had brilliant local people (the conquered) translate the Greek, Syriac, Persian and Hindu scientific documents into Arabic and then the Mohammedans claimed these previous discoveries as their own. It is absurd to continue to claim the Mohammedans made these discoveries, when we now know they merely imitated.

      • TheBuffster says

        Apr 4, 2015 at 11:19 pm

        Yep, what Mortimer said is what my reading has showed. I’m not talking about just Internet articles, but books. Lots of books.

        At present my husband and I are reading a fascinating one, “The Impact of Islam” by Emmet Scott.

        There’s a good deal of convincing material out there that throws many of the claims made for Islam’s achievements into genuine doubt.

        • PatnCat says

          Apr 5, 2015 at 12:46 pm

          Be sure to check on amazon for a great bio of the psychopathic Mohammed: F.W. Burleigh, “It’s All About Muhammed; The World’s Most Notorius Prophet.” It’s on amazon Kindle for $6 and hardcopy for $16 – loaded with drawings of Muhammed doing horrible things to people, under his fake allah’s approval, which is really Muhammed’s dark and malicious mind. It is an outstanding book – bringing a concise story to the development of Muhammed. All from islamic sources. It would be a great film, the truth about islam and Muhamm the Murderer at last.

    • Leo Dave says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      The Golden Age of Islam is a myth. It’s been debunked over and again on the web. Muslim claims of scientific advancements were mostly stolen from other cultures and peoples conquered by Muslims; taking credit for things that peoples of other cultures discovered and invented under Islamic usurpation.

      The Muslim Brotherhood and ME petrol-dollars are behind all of this revisionist history and propaganda being published, even in school books, to brainwash youth with a false narrative to gild their perception of Islam

      For the past 1400 years Islam has contributed little if anything to the world save for a lot more jobs and employment opportunities in police and security agencies around the world lately.

      Oh, and inventive and clever new ways to spread Islamic hate, violence, and bloodshed…with kafir technology.

      • Riche says

        Apr 4, 2015 at 3:54 pm

        Even the decor and style of Mosques were stolen outright from Christians churches from the Byzantine era. Islam is a cult based on theft- Muslims steal land, and they steal credit

    • josh says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 1:27 pm

      that’s all well and good, even though it’s untrue. but what have you done for me lately? and by lately, i mean 900 years.

    • Cicero says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 3:06 pm

      With respect , I believeMr Countermanche is gravely misguided in his statement thatas one time there was Muslim contribution to science etc.

      Whatever flowering of cultural and scientific contributions were from the minds of the conquered and subjugated. Non- Muslims from the Greek, Indian, Chinese and Persian civilisations which the invading Muslims so mercilessly vandalised. Also from the Jewish people who were forcibly converted to Islam but whose minds had already been developed by their indigenous non-Muslim cultures – such a Averroes and Avicenna.

      Islam stultifies and stunts the young Muslim mind through rigorous moulding in the madrassahs which all Muslim children must attend from a very young age daily.

      • voegelinian says

        Apr 4, 2015 at 4:57 pm

        An essay I found asks the interesting rhetorical question:

        Moorish civilization was in fact a condominium, established on both sides of the straits. Morocco, not ravaged by the Catholic kings, had a similar culture and similar wealth. If there were great libraries they should have flourished in Morocco as well as in al-Andalus. Where are Morocco’s great libraries?

        I.e., the fact behind the question indicates that the supposed cultural grandeur of Andalus (Islamic Spain) had more to do with the indigenous Christian civilization which the Muslim Colonialists were parasitically occupying, than with any inherent Islamic substance.

        http://dyneslines.blogspot.com/2006/02/myth-of-islamic-golden-age.html

    • Champ says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 3:29 pm

      islam & company pose the greatest threat to our civilization, and you want to talk about advancements by some muslim mathematician?! Thanks for wasting 2 minutes of my time. One minute to read your silly nonsense, and one minute to respond to it. Goodbye! >:-|

    • voegelinian says

      Apr 4, 2015 at 4:25 pm

      “While Europe stumbled through the Dark Ages…”

      My, my; cliché piled upon cliché here in Richard Courtemanche’s commentary, I see. He would do well to read the fine corrective by historian Régine Pernoud, Those Terrible Middle Ages!: Debunking the Myths.. Here’s a tasty review:

      http://www.newoxfordreview.org/reviews.jsp?did=0601-storck

    • Kepha says

      Apr 5, 2015 at 10:28 am

      Were the “dark ages” really so dark? The “dark ages” of Europe saw a profusion of practical inventions such as carts with springs, better metallurgy, water driven mills, and three field crop rotation. The name “dark ages” was coined by Petrarccio, himself a product of a time and place famous for palaces that stank, rotting corpses left on gibbets, political anarchy, and mass illiteracy. Yet he coined this term to disparage the times between his own and a Greece and Rome he basically idealized (while ignoring their gorssness as well).

      Nod to Voegelinian for adding a bibliographic reference.

      Historians also speak of a Carolingian Renaissance around the turn of the 8th and 9th centuries, which included sponsorship of learning. Byzantium was scarcely “dark” for those times. I would add as well, if we are speaking of the times between the rise of Islam and the 10th century, that we should note that Christians belonging to the Church of the East created a flourishing trade network across the Eurasian landmass, along which they spread the Gospel as well, reaching as far as a China then enjoying the magnificence of the Tang Dynasty.

      The greatness of the Dar-ul-Islam in that period was its role as a transmitter rather than as a creator.

    • simon says

      Apr 7, 2015 at 2:30 am

      Try reading ‘Greek Mathematical Thought and the Origin of Algebra’ by Jacob Klein. Besides there are doubts over Muhammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī religious beliefs with some suggesting he was Zoroastrian.

  30. Shane says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 10:35 am

    This woman tells the truth about Islam, and immediately Muslims and liberals will call her an Islamophobe and a racist. However, if you criticize Christianity, liberals will cheer you on!

    The Dark Side of the Profit Muhammad:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNIpCLir3W4 http://www.myspear.org

  31. mortimer says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    Dr. Tina Magaard’s original scholarly work has been an enormous contribution to human knowledge.
    Upon reading Dr. Magaard’s sound conclusions, it is no longer possible to claim that Islam is a religion of peace. She has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt through statistical analysis that Islam definitely is not a religion of peace, but one of violence, malice, and barbaric bloodthirstiness.

  32. Georg says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    Islam is patently offensive to non-Muslims. And criticism of Mein Koran is the Koran’s fault, not the criticizer’s. It’s a shame that it takes courage to criticize such a disgusting ideology whose most recurrent tome is division.

  33. Dave J says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    “Extremism draws it’s ammunition from these scripture”.

    Yes, the correct term for the hatred proclaimed in the Koran, a book that should be considered right next to Mein Kampf, except it’s actually more evil.

  34. Ah Clem says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    It’s a great relief to hear a modern-day Western academic tell the truth about Islam. Too often we hear from supposed “experts on Islam” like Jocelyn Cesari with the tired old “nothing to see here” message.

  35. mortimer says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    The Koran is not just violent. The deity of the Koran gives Arabs express permission to be as amoral as the wish in conquering the world.

    Arab males are allowed to do anything they wish to gain power over others and women.

    • Ephesian says

      Apr 5, 2015 at 3:31 am

      Exactly.They follow their “perfect man”.Their real leader is satan,the father of all lies.

  36. Rajith Dissanayake says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    As research that confirms the “bleedin’ obvious” at least this has some claims to originality.

    I wish Jihad Watch would also highlight any ways in which the Islamic project is unwinding. We need to kick oil and let the Middle East sink into its own frothing cesspool without intervention.

  37. Brian Hoff says

    Apr 4, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    When I read the Koran I donot notice the violation passage at all but the peaceful one I notice.

  38. shabeer_hassan says

    Apr 5, 2015 at 3:15 am

    #Jihadis are just following the example of Muhammad……….
    KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE IS A SYMBOL OF IGNORANCE [WEAKENS OF RELIGIOUS KNOWLEDGE]:

    Muslim :: Book 34 : Hadith 6458
    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: (When) the time would draw close to the Last Hour, knowledge would be snatched away, turmoil would be rampant, miserliness would be put (in the hearts of the people) and therewould be much bloodshed. They said: What is al-harj? Thereupon he said: It is bloodshed.
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 185
    Narrated Abu Musa:
    The Prophet said, “Near the establishment of the Hour there will be days during which (religious) knowledge will be taken away (vanish) and general ignorance will spread, and there will be Al-Harj in abundance, and Al-Harj means killing.”
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 85
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    The Prophet said, “(Religious) knowledge will be taken away (by the death of religious scholars) ignorance (in religion) and afflictions will appear; and Harj will increase.” It was asked, “What is Harj, O Allah’s Apostle?” He replied by beckoning with his hand indicating “killing.”

    DID IS FOLLOW IT?

    DOES NOT SHED UNLAWFUL BLOOD:

    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 104
    ……….”Allah and not the people has made Mecca a sanctuary. So anybody who has belief in Allah and the Last Day (i.e. a Muslim) should neither shed blood in it nor cut down its trees. If anybody argues that fighting is allowed in Mecca as Allah’s Apostle did fight (in Mecca), tell him that Allah gave permission to His Apostle, but He did not give it to you. The Prophet added: Allah allowed me only for a few hours on that day (of the conquest) and today (now) its sanctity is the same (valid) as it was before.
    2:83. And (remember) when We took a covenant from the Children of Israel, (saying): Worship none but Allah (Alone) and be dutiful and good to parents, and to kindred, and to orphans and Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and speak good to people, and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât. Then you slid back, except a few of you, while you are backsliders. (Tafsir Al-Qurtubî, Vol. 2, Page 392).
    2:84. And (remember) when We took your covenant (saying): Shed not the blood of your people, nor turn out your own people from their dwellings. Then, (this) you ratified and (to this) you bear witness.

    DID IS FOLLOW IT?

    PROHIBIT KILLING NON MUSLIM WITH PEACE AGREEMENT:

    8: 72. Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allah as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, – these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad SAW), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate, but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, and Allah is the All-Seer of what you do.
    9: 4. Except those of the Mushrikûn with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqûn
    4: 90. Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allah willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has opened no way for you against them.

    DID IS FOLLOW IT?

    KILLING WOMEN/CHILDREN PROHIBITED:

    Bukhari 4.52.256
    [killing girl prohibit]
    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.10
    Do not kill women or children or an aged, weak person,Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees.Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty,
    Malik :: Book 21 : Hadith 21.3.8
    Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that a son of Kab ibn Malik (Malik believed that ibn Shihab said it was Abd ar-Rahman ibn Kab) said, “The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, forbade those who fought ibn Abi Huqayq (a treacherous jew from Madina) to kill women and children. He said that one of the men fighting had said, ‘The wife of ibn Abi Huqayq began screaming and I repeatedly raised my sword against her. Then I would remember the prohibition of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, so I would stop. Had it not been for that, we would have been rid of her.’ ”
    Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4456
    ……….And the of Allah (may peace be upon him) did not kill the children of the enemy, so thou shouldst not kill the children……………
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 257,258
    Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
    During some of the Ghazawat of Allah’s Apostle a woman was found killed, so Allah’s Apostle forbade the killing of women and children.
    Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2608
    Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Go in Allah’s name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah’s Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, o a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well.
    Muslim :: Book 19 : Hadith 4294
    Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children.

    DID IS FOLLOW IT?

    OPPRESSION AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE PROHIBITED:

    7: 33. Say, “My Lord has only forbidden immoralities – what is apparent
    of them and what is concealed – and sin, and oppression
    Without right, and that you associate with Allah that for which
    He has not sent down authority, and that you say about Allah that which you do not know.”
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6246
    Abu Dharr reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, said: My servants, I have made oppression unlawful for Me and unlawful for you, so do not commit oppression against one another. My servants, all of you are liable to err except one whom I guide on the right path, so seek right guidance from Me so that I should direct you to the right path………
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 629
    Narrated Abu Huraira:
    Allah’s Apostle said, “Whoever has oppressed another person concerning his reputation or anything else, he should beg him to forgive him before the Day of Resurrection when there will be no money (to compensate for wrong deeds), but if he has good deeds, those good deeds will be taken from him according to his oppression which he has done, and if he has no good deeds, the sins of the oppressed person will be loaded on him.”

    DID IS FOLLOW IT?

    • Demsci says

      Apr 5, 2015 at 6:00 am

      Oh, Shabeer, you just show part of Quran-Hadiths. IS (IslamicState) followed the other halve, or other parts. Quran-Hadiths are supposed to be divine, but that gives Muslims a big weak spot;
      They cannot change one word of Quran-Hadiths. But these have many contradictions. These are incomplete. These are at best “misunderstood” time and again by Muslims. They are fatally flawed.

      And IS easily finds justification in Quran-Hadiths or Tafsir to decide that people we and you deem innocent are guilty according to Quran-Hadiths and/ or Tafsir. So your whole argument about Islam forbidding killing innocents is null and void.

      • shabeer_hassan says

        Apr 5, 2015 at 12:26 pm

        #IS (IslamicState) followed the other halve,…………

        OK MR.Demsci & DEWDDS PLZ BRING THAT VERSES HERE ,IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC & PROVE U’R ARGUMENTS ………..PLZ BRING IT OR SAY PUBLIC TO SORRY FOR IT…………DON’T ESCAPE FROM THE DEBATE…………….

        • terry says

          Apr 5, 2015 at 1:04 pm

          Shabeer “f*cker head”,

          Why you’re still arguing on this site here, trying to prove that your religion is of peace, love and mercy, when you should be doing that with your brothers of Al Shabab, Boko Haram and ISIS?!

          Do you know that you’re one of the most cowards and hypocrites I have ever encountered, yet.

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