Why didn’t the Overwhelming Majority of Muslims Who Reject Terrorism rise up against these people and cast them out of the community?
“Radicalization,” said Uhuru Kenyatta, takes place in madrasas and mosques. Will he, then, monitor the mosques? Will leaders in other countries follow his lead? Or will they sit and wait for this kind of attack to happen in their own countries?
“Kenyatta says campus attackers ’embedded’ in Kenya’s Muslim community,” by Edith Honan, Reuters, April 4, 2015:
(Reuters) – Kenya’s President Uhuru Kenyatta said on Saturday that those behind an attack in which al Shabaab Islamist militants killed 148 people at a university were “deeply embedded” in Kenya, and called on Kenyan Muslims to help prevent radicalization.
His televised speech in response to Thursday’s 15-hour siege at the Garissa university campus came after the Interior Ministry said five suspects in the assault had been detained, some while trying to flee to Somalia.
Four suspects were Kenyans of Somali origin, and the fifth was Tanzanian, the ministry said. The suspected mastermind, Mohamed Mohamud, a former teacher at a Garissa madrasa, is still on the run. Kenya has offered a 20 million shillings ($215,000) reward for his arrest.
“Our task of countering terrorism has been made all the more difficult by the fact that the planners and financiers of this brutality are deeply embedded in our communities,” Kenyatta said.
“Radicalization that breeds terrorism is not conducted in the bush at night. It occurs in the full glare of day, in madrasas, in homes, and in mosques with rogue imams.”
The attack at Garissa, which lies 200 km (120 miles) from the Somali border, has put Kenya on high alert and spooked its Christian communities after reports the gunmen sought out Christian students while sparing some Muslims.
Kenyatta’s comments will put more pressure on Kenya’s Muslim community, who make up about 10 percent of the 44-million-strong population.
More than 400 people have been killed by al Shabaab on Kenyan soil since he took power two years ago, including 67 people who died during a siege in September 2013 on a Nairobi shopping mall.
Earlier on Thursday, Somali militants vowed to wage a long war against Kenya and run its cities “red with blood”.
In a message directed at Kenyans, the al Qaeda aligned group said the raid on Garissa was revenge for Kenya’s military presence in Somalia and mistreatment of Muslims within Kenya.
“No amount of precaution or safety measures will be able to guarantee your safety, thwart another attack or prevent another bloodbath from occurring in your cities,” the group said in an emailed statement received by Reuters in the Somali capital….
duh_swami says
He also said they are pursuing the culprits and won’t be nice to them when caught…If Al-Shabaab wants a fight, he seems willing to take it to them…
katherine says
The culprits are not those doing the shooting but the entire population of uneducated and wrongly-educated Somalis who support jihad in their savior’s country. The whole world can assume that African
nations aren’t all that civil so nobody will bat an eyelash if Kenya just rounds them up en mass and march them back up north – home to jihad-land.
Better yet recruit young experienced veterans from CAR for the Kenyan army.
pdxnag says
Gratuitous violence by pious Muslims on non-Muslims just might “radicalize” ordinary free peoples just as it did in the Central African Republic, with a similar result. Can any less-vigorous response be considered effective at preserving freedom?
katherine says
Hope there are English-language websites for the Christian group in CAR or the Buddhist org. in Myanmar. It’ll be a refreshing change from the BBC website – anyone knows ? I remember there is also a former Portuguese state in Africa that has pulled a Wahabi trick by bulldozing mosques which were all illegal.
Would sure like to follow these people besides JWatch just to see who are showing good examples and how they think or act. Could be exemplary for the rest of the world.
Ah Clem says
The link that’s supposed to point to the Reuters article actually points to an article on a different subject from the Daily Mail UK. The correct link is below:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/04/us-kenya-security-militants-idUSKBN0MV03Z20150404
Ah Clem says
Looks like the link is fixed now.
Papa Whiskey says
“Rogue” imams, Mr. Kenyatta? In what sense, pray tell?
Nimrod says
It’s only a matter of time before we see mass anti-Muslim rioting and mosque burning in Kenya.
cs says
This is happening in Central Congo, and now the muzzies are predictably playing the victims.
Oliver says
One of the reasons given, for the Muslim killings, mistreatment of Muslims within Kenya. ( quote from the article).
I am NOT familiar with Kenya laws on immigration; emigration, etc.
HOWEVER, if the poor, mistreated Muslims are mistreated in Kenya, why the hell don’t they leave-openly or clandestinely, for Somalia, Iraq; Syria; Saudi Arabia or some other Muslim shit hole. I am fairly certain that the 90% of the population that IS NOT MUSLIM will not miss them.
ayatollahowmany says
All part of the normal Muslim mentality–
http://10news.dk/psychology-why-islam-creates-monsters/
Kenya has been and is still, very slack on domestic security- as has been seen in Nigeria, also.
cs says
Interesting, because in the Islamic countries they do not have any of these constrains, my landlord is from Pakistan, and he was telling me, that all Pashtuns would be send back to Afghanistan, because they are causing to much trouble. Well… That opens a nice precedent.
David, Thailand says
“Radicalization that breeds terrorism is not conducted in the bush at night. It occurs in the full glare of day, in madrasas, in homes, and in mosques with rogue imams.”
Golly I hope the fool in Downing Street doesn’t read that, he’d spew!
mortimer says
At what financial cost do we say that it’s too expensive to have Muslims? Will all mosques have to be closed? Islam will have to be banned as a dangerous ideology.
David says
Personally I don’t believe there’s anything that can be done to save Islam from further radicalisation and corruption.
i think Islam is basically dead and buried as a spiritual force in the world and will continue to descend into chaos.
I believe the Baha’i Faith will replace a disunited Christianity and corrupt Islam as it contains all the core elements of all faiths shorn of superstitions, rituals and violence as well as teaches the unity of mankind and unity of all religion and recognises all the Holy Books and Prophets gone before it.
The Baha’i Teachings concerning the oneness of all humanity is the only alternative mindset we can turn to for world peace and unity. The only choice for all who inhabit the world to have peace is to recognise that all humanity are equal. That no race or religion is superior to another.
“We desire but the good of the world and the happiness of the nations; yet they deem Us a stirrer up of strife and sedition worthy of bondage and banishment…. That all nations should become one in faith and all men as brothers; that the bonds of affection and unity between the sons of men should be strengthened; that diversity of religion should cease, and differences of race be annulled—what harm is there in this?… Yet so it shall be; these fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the ‘Most Great Peace’ shall come…. Yet do We see your kings and rulers lavishing their treasures more freely on means for the destruction of the human race than on that which would conduce to the happiness of mankind…. These strifes and this bloodshed and discord must cease, and all men be as one kindred and one family…. Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind….( Baha’u’llah)
Beagle says
Quote:
The Baha’i Teachings concerning the oneness of all humanity is the only alternative mindset we can turn to for world peace and unity.
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Hardly. Ditch the Muhammad. Keep the peace.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/jainism/
I can continue to name peaceful religions for quite a while if you’d like, but one disproves “only”.
duh_swami says
David…I doubt you are converting anyone with all those rainbows and butterfly you mention. Are you in a continual state of bliss?
Do you work? Can you work? It must be hard to get a job done when your head is in the clouds…
Elizabeth Bafu Matanko says
This is what happens when you let so many Muslim immigrants to your country, at the beginning they will say they are needy they are fleeing from war and they need help but when their number grow and they become over 5% they make life difficult, when they are 10% or wherever they will attack you. This is not surprise, and yes they will always bring their culture and their religion everywhere they go, at the end they will attack their host countries because it is the way they worship. Kill infidels wherever you find them is in the Koran.
dumbledoresarmy says
Or, in other words, Got Muslims? – Got Jihad.
The Ummah or Mohammedan Mob, the so-called “Muslim community” is the nurturing, sheltering sea within which the jihadis swim and from which, ceaselessly, they emerge…and said jihadis will be ever the more numerous and aggressive precisely in proportion as the Muslim colony, or enclave, within which they are being nurtured, is or feels itself to be strong vis a vis the surrounding Infidel ‘host’ society.
It’s all there in ex-Muslim ‘Sam Solomon”s book “Al Hijra – The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration”. Maybe an African anglophone jihadwatcher, lurking and reading here, could buy themselves a copy online – it isn’t expensive – and send it to their President.
To be absolutely frank, I think if the Kenyan non-Muslims – currently in an absolute majority – decided that having Muslims around was far too much of a risk and decided to raze every identifiable mosque and round them all up and push them back over the border into ruined-by-Islam Somalia – and then massively fortified and patrolled the border – the chances of mass murder jihad raids such as occurred at the Westgate Mall and at the university in Garissa would be considerably reduced.
Right now, in any case, in the wake of the appalling jihad mass murder of unarmed half-asleep Christian students at the University in Garissa – people murdered because they were not Muslims, and for no other ‘reason’, at bottom – Kenya has the perfect excuse for sudden, overwhelming-force, simultaneous surprise raids on *every* known mosque in Kenya…beginning with every known mosque within a twenty-mile radius of the University. And every madrasa. And every imam’s house and/ or business premises. Gather together *non-Muslim* police and military and *swoop*. Search the lot. Turn them upside down and shake them, figuratively speaking, and see what falls out of the pockets. My guess would be…weaponry. And probably all kinds of other stuff that ought not to be in ‘houses of worship’ and ‘religious schools’…except that we’re dealing with the Death Cult, the Religion of Blood and War, the Religion – to be blunt – of Ritual Murder.
Every known Muslim who was employed in and around that University – from security services right on down to janitor and groundsman – should be interrogated and checked, because it is entirely probable that at least some of them were in on the plot-to-kill.
David M says
One of the gunmen was the son of a government official.
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2F2015%2F04%2Fkenya-garissa-al-shabab-150405093908543.html&ei=8kwhVaqZK4uD8QXiqoGwDQ&usg=AFQjCNHVei4DWcDbye85NM5eZOHQYykNjQ&sig2=vkmHcSjCGEEAynixVta2HA
Jingo says
Of course it is fixed in their communities. Someone knows something, someone is funding them and brain washing them and giving them tools and information. My concern is why the Somali diaspora communities are very religious? long time ago I remember them being seculars and well integrated. Lately they are more religious then Iran Muslims, Bangladesh and others, I don’t know why? I wonder what made them this way and why they are so attracted to conservative Arabic culture? even they make their little girls wear silly veils, it is over the top.
Dieter says
Firstly, most of the Muslims in Kenya are not immigrant, they are locals. Before the British took over Kenya, it was ruled by the Arabs and the entire coast region gradually became Islamic. The Somalis that are in Kenya now are in refugee camps near the border and the ones who came to Kenya before independence, like the Rohinga in Burma came because of the free movement in the British empire.
The only way to get the Muslims out of Kenya is to kill them, Kenyatta will have little hesitation. They are already talking about relocating the refugee camp inside Somalia, read the sob stories about that on the BBC site.
Oliver says
Is this Pres. Kenyatta a descendant of Jomo (I think that was the first name) -Kenyatta, the (I believe) first Pres. of Kenya.?
(If not the first president, then one of the leaders against the British).
Dieter says
Uhuru is son of Jomo, and cast in his fathers mould.. The Kikuyu tribe which has ruled Kenya since independence has no love for the Muslim, or the Masai or the Luo .(Obama’s tribe) During the Mau Mau revolt, which was 100% Kikuyu, 99% of all deaths were not the white settlers but the other tribes who did not want the Mau Mau to rule over them. Uhuru Kenyatta will treat the Somalis like the Burmese are treating the Rohinga.
Oliver says
Thank you, for your response.
Oliver says
I saw this somewhere-possibly here- but scrolling did not see it nor an answer.
This area is supposed to be near a jungle area. If so, how come nobody (other then the terrorists) was armed?
Would it not make sense, if there was a danger of wild animals, to keep at least some sort of weapon? Or,w as this in a regular (western style) city?