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Malaysia Mufti: “No such thing as rape in marriage,” wives must give husbands sex even on the back of a camel

Apr 27, 2015 12:07 pm By Robert Spencer

The pious mufti
The pious mufti

A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “If a husband calls his wife to his bed [i.e. to have sexual relation] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning” (Bukhari 4.54.460).

And: “By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel’s saddle” (Ibn Majah 1854).

“Women must give husbands sex ‘even on camels’, Islamic scholar says,” by Ida Lim, Malay Mail Online, April 27, 2015 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):

KUALA LUMPUR, April 27 — While insisting that the concept of marital rape does not exist in Islam, religious scholars say it is sinful for a Muslim man to force his wife to have sex when she is ill or menstruating.

Perak Mufti Tan Sri Harussani Zakaria said that men can always have sexual intercourse with their spouses even if the latter do not agree, saying that a Muslim woman has “no right” to reject her husband’s demand.

“Even the Prophet says even when they’re riding on the back of the camel, when the husband asks her, she must give.

“So there’s no such thing as rape in marriage. This is made by European people, why should we follow?” he told Malay Mail Online when contacted yesterday as he cited the hadith or reported teachings of Prophet Muhammad.

Harussani claimed that Europe itself did not regard women highly before creating the concept of marital rape after the 18th century when Europeans came into contact with the Muslims and were attempting to improve Islamic laws.

According to Harussani, a woman’s agreement to marry will be sought when her father gives her away to a man in marriage. Subsequently, she can only refuse her husband sex if she is menstruating, sick, or has just given birth, he said.

“Once she got married, the dowry is paid, she can’t refuse unless when she’s [on her] period,” he said, saying that the Quran clearly states that it will be “haram” or forbidden to have a sexual intercourse with a woman who is menstruating.

Independent Muslim preacher Wan Ji Wan Hussin said that rape is defined in Islam as an act between two unmarried individuals.

“That term (marital rape) is not accurate in the practice of Islam because rape in Islam is defined as forced sexual intercourse outside of marriage,” he told Malay Mail Online when contacted yesterday.

While stating that husbands cannot force their wives to have sex, he said the key issue is not about getting consent, but revolves around how men can show love and create a romantic atmosphere to change their spouses’ minds to willingly agree to sexual intercourse.

“That means if the husband does not seek consent, it cannot be considered rape, but that action is considered not polite (beradab) in Islam,” he said, adding that it would not be considered “haram” or sinful, but would be “makruh” or frowned upon by Islam.

Wan Ji said women have the right to refuse sex when they are either sick, menstruating or old, insisting that men having sex in such cases are considered sinful.

During the fasting month for Muslims, both men and women are not allowed to have sexual intercourse and wives must reject such requests by their husbands, he said.

Women may opt to either turn down their husbands’ requests or cancel their fast during optional and additional fasting days, he said, adding that women can even refuse sexual intercourse if they are in a bad mood or were exhausted from work.

Both Harussani and Wan Ji said that using violence to force a wife to have sexual intercourse would be clearly criminal, with the former saying that the wife can call the police or a religious judge as it would be an offence in both the civil and Shariah legal systems….

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  1. Mahendra Singh says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 12:24 pm

    I think even the concept of rape does not exist in Islam. Women have
    been created for the enjoyment of men. The “right hand rule” can
    be extended to the women who are already Muslim with appropriate
    sanction from a Mullah.

    • RG says

      Apr 27, 2015 at 4:25 pm

      @MSingh.
      You’re demented! No human being is created for the usage of another human – THAT’S SLAVERY AND SAVAGERY! God – the real True and Living God of the Bible – commands husbands and wives to love and SERVE each other. Islam is a philosophy of hate and immorality – DON’T DEFEND IT!!!

      • nicu says

        Apr 27, 2015 at 5:12 pm

        Absolutely true !

        This sick ideology is from men for men !

        with a twisted mind about sexuality.

        • Ernie says

          Apr 28, 2015 at 4:19 am

          You call them “men”? I surely don’t ! I would like to call them pigs , but I don’t want to insult pigs … so I’m still thinking about how to determinate these filthy…… . Could take a while .

      • Salome says

        Apr 27, 2015 at 5:24 pm

        I don’t think Mr Singh was uttering his own thoughts–just explaining the ‘logic’ of Islam. Actually there is rape–it’s taking another Muslim’s wife or daughter.

        • Ernie says

          Apr 28, 2015 at 4:21 am

          You beat me to it Salome !

        • voegelinian says

          Apr 28, 2015 at 5:26 pm

          RepubRick is lashing out in irrationally throttled obtuseness (perhaps it’s Phillip Jihadski under one of his pseudonyms?). The OP, “Mahendra Singh” was obviously merely explaining the Islamic logic. For one thing, Islamopologists never would admit that the concept of rape does not exist in Islam.

  2. Holy Prophet APF says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    If a husband calls his wife to his bed [for some hot sex] and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.
    — Bukhari 4:54:460

    Angels need hot sex too, even though Allah doesn’t allow them to marry. Mortal Moslem Men sometimes sleep in bitter anger, but the angels don’t do that cuz they just get one of them Islam fake temporary marriages and take care of business with a pro.

    Why all this concern with a Moslem man’s right for on-command nooky? Is Islam at its root based on the driving urge for sex? My guess is that the answer is yes. As evidence I point to the demise of U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens. Yeah, he went into his denouement sex scene all mixed up about Islam and Moslems, but he had clarity coming out. He was anally gang raped just before his death by the gang of spontaneous video protesters who killed him. As he lay there beaten, bruised and bouncing, it had to finally dawn on him that Islam rose from the burning loins of the Holy Prophet Mohammed, and that he was representing America to a group of bisexual sex fiend murderers.

    What a way to go. Praise Allah! But don’t bend over and pick up the soap.

  3. PRCS says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    Islam’s many problems begin with the Qur’an.

    Those problems are compounded by Muslim “scholars”.

  4. Hisham says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    when a woman marries, she is obliged to fulfill her obligations That includes having children, taking care of them, taking care of the house, and taking care of her husband. Reciprocally,The husband must support the whole of his family. She always has the option of divorce.

    • Myxlplik says

      Apr 27, 2015 at 3:21 pm

      If she tries to bring charges without witnesses, does she get punished for fornicating like other women do?

    • Jack Diamond says

      Apr 27, 2015 at 4:05 pm

      Nikah is the Islamic marriage contract: it is between a man– and a woman’s sexual organs. That explains everything. Derived from the verb nakaha (‘to have sexual intercourse’), as in with the marriage the husband BUYS the genital arvum mulieris–a commercial transaction– in return for the mahr (dowry).
      See: http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/SexInIslam/sex_and_sexuality_in_islam2.htm

      Of course there in no such thing as rape in marriage…or with a captive either. There is simply no right to refuse a man who provides your maintenance.

      • duh_swami says

        Apr 27, 2015 at 6:12 pm

        My son named his cat Nikah before he knew what it meant…now it’s a big joke around here…

        • Jack Diamond says

          Apr 27, 2015 at 8:11 pm

          His cat would probably like our cat, Zib. Except mine is Persian….

      • voegelinian says

        Apr 28, 2015 at 5:30 pm

        Derived from the verb nakaha (‘to have sexual intercourse’),…

        That may be how Howard Cosell would define it; but nakaha just plainly means “to fuck”, and nikah is the noun, “fuck”. In Islam, there is no marriage, per se; there is only a tribal contract to fuck another man’s livestock-daughter.

        • voegelinian says

          Apr 28, 2015 at 5:31 pm

          I hope that comment above is short enough for Phillip Jihadski’s minuscule brain.

    • nicu says

      Apr 27, 2015 at 5:13 pm

      And then she will be condemned probably – or even killed !

  5. JamesonRocks says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 2:17 pm

    “…even when they’re riding on the back of the camel.”

    Wouldn’t that constitute “cruelty to animals?”

    • nicu says

      Apr 27, 2015 at 5:15 pm

      Muslims do the worst things to animals you can see on your video channel – where is PETA then ???

    • vlparker says

      Apr 27, 2015 at 7:53 pm

      You gotta hump on the hump.

  6. Myxlplik says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    The Islamic version of Andrew “Dice” Clay.

  7. Champ says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 3:42 pm

    islam & company did not invent domestic violence and spousal abuse, but they definitely teach it and practice it …

    And juxtapose this verse from the unholy quran with what the Bible teaches husbands:

    “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.” — Ephesians 5:25-27

    These teachings are Night & Day! And muhammad & Jesus were drastically different, as well …

    • Champ says

      Apr 27, 2015 at 4:21 pm

      Actually, the verse that Robert provided is from the hadith, but the unholy quran *does* instruct husbands to beat their wives; namely surah 4:34: “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”

  8. Salome says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    Even on the back of a camel? That puts a whole new complexion on ‘humping’.

    • Ernie says

      Apr 28, 2015 at 4:24 am

      A threesome combined bestiality ?

  9. Champ says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    Sexual perverts! …beginning, but not ending with, muhammad.

  10. duh_swami says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    Sex on the back of a camel, alone or with some one…Only in Islam…I suppose the Mufti knows all about that…I wonder if ISIS has a video?

  11. Jay Airahs says

    Apr 27, 2015 at 8:55 pm

    Allah, the so called creator of everything, the ‘greatest’ of the great, — has nothing better to do than nitpick women if they don’t give husbands sex ‘even on camels’

    Muhammad the ventriloquist = Allah

  12. Kaafir says

    Apr 28, 2015 at 5:08 am

    We already knew that. You don’t have to clarify such things. Everybody can assume the worst the worst when it comes to you people. Now import some nice camels in your tropical rainforest country.

  13. Bezelel says

    Apr 28, 2015 at 8:49 am

    And I’ve been chastised for leaving the toilet seat up, forgetting to take the garbage out, and God help me if a cute waitress with admirable cleavage gets a decent tip.

  14. Fred says

    Apr 28, 2015 at 10:00 am

    i think jihadist interpret this as they may have their camals and goats.

  15. Lou says

    Apr 29, 2015 at 4:08 am

    Malaysia is going back to mediaeval stage… what a pity for this country An ocean of ignorance and ugliness

  16. No Fear says

    Apr 29, 2015 at 6:08 am

    If the world is not careful it will be ruled by 7th century pigs like this.

    (Sorry for insulting pigs)

  17. Karen says

    Apr 29, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    “….the angels will curse her till morning”

    Gee….these are some weird angels.

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