They’re angry that “some members of the community are looking at other members of the community [as] spying to [sic] each other and sending them, their kids, to jail.”
But wait a minute — Muslim groups in the U.S. always insist they’re cooperating with police and the FBI and yet are still stigmatized. So why are they angry that someone was spying and discovered some jihadist activity? Aren’t they against the Islamic State?
The obvious difference between the official line and reality — the elites.never seem to notice, or pretend not to.
“Tension in court as 4 Minnesota men held on terror charges,” by Amy Forliti, Associated Press, April 23, 2015:
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Attorneys for four Minnesota men accused of trying to travel to Syria to join the Islamic State group questioned the government’s use of a paid informant, and argued Thursday that the case against their clients is slim.
But U.S. Magistrate Judge Becky Thorson found there was probable cause to believe a crime was committed, and ordered the four men to remain in custody while the case proceeds.
They are among six men of Somali descent who were charged over the weekend with conspiracy to support a foreign terrorist organization and with attempting to support a foreign terrorist organization. Authorities allege some of the men made repeated attempts to get to Syria, and had developed a plot to get fake passports and travel overseas through Mexico.
According to an FBI affidavit, the government’s months-long investigation was aided by recordings made by a man who once planned to travel to Syria himself, but then decided to cooperate.
Thursday’s hearing was for Guled Omar, 20; Adnan Abdihamid Farah, 19; Zacharia Yusuf Abdurahman, 19; and Hanad Mustafe Musse, 19. Two other men, Mohamed Abdihamid Farah, 21, and Abdurahman Daud, 21, faced hearings in San Diego, where they were arrested.
In ordering the four men detained, Thorson said she was looking at the weight of the evidence and other factors. Her ruling prompted one community member in the courtroom to shout: “You cannot weight anything but evidence, ma’am. We are the community! You should ask us!” He was led from the courtroom.
The hearing was tense for Somali community members. Afterward, Imam Hassan Mohamud said the community is angry, and some blame the informant. He criticized a Department of Justice pilot program designed to stop recruiting for terror groups before it starts, saying it will cause division.
“Some members of the community are looking @ other members of the community (as) spying to each other and sending them, their kids, to jail,” Mohamud said. “That’s why they are all angry. These four, all of them, are innocent until proven guilty.”The U.S. attorney’s office said the pilot program is an outreach effort that “is and always has been completely separate from the investigative and prosecutorial responsibilities of this office.”
In court, defense attorneys questioned FBI Special Agent Harry Samit about the government’s payments to the informant. Musse’s attorney, Andy Birrell, asked whether his compensation was related to the number of people charged.
Defense attorneys also questioned how the FBI could take the informant’s word when he previously lied about his own involvement. They also asked why only some of his conversations were recorded, and whether it was the informant’s idea to pursue fake passports to get to Syria.
Samit testified the informant was paid nearly $13,000 for expenses and “services” and the amount wasn’t related to the number of people charged. Samit said the informant was being asked to gather evidence against people involved in “the most violent terrorist group in the world.”
“He’s exposing himself to a certain element of danger,” Samit said.
Samit also said the investigation was broader than just the informant’s evidence, and agents verified some details through their own surveillance.
As for why not all conversations were recorded, Samit said some early conversations happened before the informant was given recording equipment. He also said some conversations weren’t recorded because of equipment failure or poor sound quality.
The fake passports were initially Abdurahman’s idea, Samit testified, but when that fell through, the FBI suggested the informant come up with his own way to get fake passports.
When Assistant U.S. Attorney John Docherty asked Samit how the defendants responded to that idea, Samit said: “Very enthusiastically.”
Monday’s announcement of charges threw Minnesota’s Somali community, the largest in the U.S., into familiar turmoil. Since 2007, more than 22 young Somali men have traveled from Minnesota to Somalia to join the militant group al-Shabab. Authorities have also said a handful of Minnesota residents have traveled to Syria to fight with militants in the past year.
About 200 people from the Somali community packed the courtroom Thursday, plus an overflow room and spilled into the hallway.
As the hearing began, Docherty told the court that several attempts had been made to contact the informant or members of his family, and there had been “ugly behavior” on social media. Docherty warned that such activities could lead to prosecution.
Omar Jamal, a longtime activist, said the community has a hard time accepting that a Somali informant was involved, but he said local Somalis shouldn’t create an adversarial situation….
If what we’re told about Muslim communities in the U.S. is true, that they reject jihad terror and are happily cooperating with law enforcement efforts, they should be thrilled that a Somali informant was involved.
somehistory says
Oh what a tangled web they have woven for themselves. It is quite clear that they know what is going on and hide it. And as for the use of informants, that is a common practice, even the use of payments to said informants.
And the Federal government is allowed to keep the identity of the informant secret in order to protect them from retaliation…which, from the article, it sounds very much like something the *community* would do to him.
mortimer says
CONSPIRACY! Islam is per se a grand conspiracy and ordinary Muslims know this. The master plan is to become the MASTER RELIGION giving Muslims the rights to enslave and dominate conquered nations.
The following outburst in the court room says it all: “We are the community (the ummah)! You should ask us!”
Special rights? Entitlement? Supremacist attitude?
somehistory says
What you wrote is oh so correct. Question is: was the *court* taking notice? Listening with understanding of what was being said by the shouted words…all of the meaning behind the words?
Shane says
They are the Umah and the rest of us our in the World of War. These traitors should be stripped of their citizenship and deported when their sentences are served. Get rid of these jihadists any way that we can.
PRCS says
“It is quite clear that they know what is going on and hide it.”
I don’t think that every Somali Muslim in Minnesota knows what going on
But you would be quite accurate to say that MOST of them are.
It will be interesting to learn what long time local activist Omar Jamal will say when his bros ultimately admit guilt, are found guilty, and are sentenced by “filthy unbelievers” for what he and “the community” know has been going on all along.
Papa Whiskey says
They’re angry because it violates the kind of solidarity propounded in a speech at Columbia University on Sept. 18, 2008, by Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, then Secretary General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (now Cooperation):
The Muslim Ummah, means the ‘community of the faithful’. It is a unique bond that has no similar example under any other political or religious system in the world. It is a belonging to ideals which bring Muslims together in an eternal brotherhood lock which transcends all other consideration of allegiance or loyalties or barriers of nationhood, ethnicity, geography or language.
Ihsanoglu made this remark before an audience of American academics, who nodded their overstuffed heads in deference.
Michael Copeland says
“the muslim nation is one nation to the exclusion of all others”, Placard.
Sharia march and Interview Oxford St March 25, 2011
ThinkAfricaPress
mortimer says
Anjem Choudary’s group is the only honest bunch of Muslims outside of Pakistan. They aren’t hiding the conspiracy, but FLAUNTING it.
Lia Wissing says
Couldn’t have been academics: by definition academics have to able of thought.
Linde Barrera says
To Papa Whiskey- Thank you for defining the Muslim Ummah. Sounds like their tight knit little community can be compared to a mafia – like “Cosa Nostra” bunch of thugs.
Billy Corr says
Will it eventually be revealed that the paid informer / agent provocateur suggested the whole thing from day one/
Such things are not quite unknown.
Rob Crawford says
Unlikely in this case. Muslims self-detonate all the time, they don’t need to be led to blow up.
Mirren10 says
What possible difference would that make ?
Decent people, under *any*circumstances, whether for money or anything else, would never be inveigled into plotting the murder of others.
No amount of money, or persuasion, would ever get *me* to do so.
Benedict says
Well fed Somalis. Worst of the Muslim bunch. Most radicalized lot. They have to know hunger, America has to deport the lot. Deportation is the only answer, though they may be married to American white or colored person
abad says
Deport them all. There is no reason for Somalis to be here anyways
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Not true. The reason they Somalis are here in Minnesota are manifold. The Lutheran Brotherhood and Catholic League got paid $25,000 per head to import them, taxpayer money paid out by the Democrats (aka globo-socialists) who want them here to buttress its voting bloc. The bureaucrats, both state and federal, want them here because they expand gubmint’s client base.
Also, we were suffering mightily up here for the lack of cab drivers. So the fact that our Somalis openly engage in polygamy and secretly in welfare fraud is ok, because dagnabit what would we do without them driving our cabs?
PRCS says
Well, since you put it that way…
D S Dunlap says
Oh, what would we do?
Oh, I don’t know…. hire AMERICANS to drive taxis, perhaps?
daniel sebold says
Check out Coach Hoffner on You Tube.
daniel sebold says
Sounds more like Nationalist Socialist Fascism to me: bring in slave laborers at the tax payers expense to keep the labor unions at bay. It cant be anything else. The churches may even have investments in Walmart’s anti abortion agenda.
Jaladhi says
All these traitors should be sent back to Somalia where they would enjoy living under Islamic sharia rule!! Give them shelter and that is how they are repaying us – let alone showing any gratitude, they open want to destroy the country and people who sheltered them! What a bunch of ungrateful scums!!
duh_swami says
Except for takfir purposes, it is haram to ‘slander’ another Mahoundian…This is called ‘Sitr’, according to a article I read on the subject. It stems from a conversation a Mahoundian had with Mahound, about to tell, or not to tell.
Don’t tell because slander of any kind makes Islam, and Allah look bad, and image is everything…You can check with Rasool Obama about that…
Don McKellar says
Look at that photo as they shamble across the street. Like a huddle of Dark Ages witches. Do they have witches familiars? I don’t know. However, five times a day they bow down to Satan and bang their head on the floor, chanting a curse against those who don’t do so also.
Shmooviyet says
@Don M- exactly. In Mpls. we see this every day, everywhere and I know I’m not the only one whose head is turned by this fantastic sight you so accurately describe above.
Somalis have been streaming in for decades, but within the last few years it has become a tidal wave. I’ve worked with and known Somalis who are happy to live here, speak English well, want to assimilate. More recently, this attitude seems to be evaporating as the halal shop/ full-burqa-only communities spread. Parts of this city are no longer recognizable. And the little taxpayer has NO say in what has happened to his city.
The people in that courtroom felt they had the absolute right to demand THEY be asked because they have no regard/respect/use for American law, except for when they want to cry racism or bigotry. They’ve been taught well by the Leftists.
Robert’s last sentence is SPOT ON. Why should they not be proud of this informant, if all they claim is truthful?
Barry O says
LET MY PEOPLE GO
Lawrence says
but the American government under Obama supports terrorist organizations and actually arms them, so why are they not being taken to court?
daniel sebold says
If we were to provide good jobs for these nice young boys at the Bureau Of Drivers Licensing, we wouldnt have to be afraid of them. As for our unemployed veterans, hey, business as usual.
Billy Corr says
Surely all unemployed Somalis in Minnesota can be provided with sheltered employment as interns in the U.S. Department of State
daniel sebold says
At Minnesota State University, Mankato it is easier for a straight Somali to land a job at the University Of Cultural Diversity than an eccentric gay war veteran–at least this was the case ten years ago. But I am sure progress has been made since then.
daniel sebold says
At Minnesota State University, Mankato, the Administration had an innocent football coach arrested for pedophilia because he had a video of his toddlers on his cell phone dancing naked in his living room, but Somalis who mutilate their daughters genitalia to no end are celebrated with a big dinner on Somali night.
D S Dunlap says
Really? So parents are no longer allowed to have their kids’ pics on their phones unless they pass the PC “muster” or are Mohammedans?