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Mufti of Ankara: Pope acknowledging Armenian Genocide will hasten Hagia Sophia’s becoming mosque again

Apr 17, 2015 11:57 am By Robert Spencer

Prof.-Dr.-Mefail-HIZLIPetulance and Islamic supremacist denial on a state level. The Pope, you see, should have known better: the dhimmi must know his place and keep silent about whatever is done to him by Muslims. And in response, the Christians must be punished further. “Armenian Genocide: Turkish politicians criticise the EU; Mufti reacts to pope’s words threatening to turn Saint Sophia into a mosque,” Asia News, April 17, 2015 (thanks to C. Cantoni):

Ankara (AsiaNews) – Turkish political parties (with one exception) released a joint statement against the European Parliament’s ‘genocide’ vote on the mass killings of Anatolian Armenians during World War I.

At the same time, Mefail Hızlı, the mufti of Ankara, spoke out against Pope Francis for his use of the word ‘genocide’ in connection with the mass slaughter of Armenians, saying that the pontiff’s remarks will accelerate the rededication of Istanbul’s Saint Sophia Basilica as a mosque.

On Wednesday, the European parliament passed the motion on the Armenian genocide. Calling on Ankara to acknowledge the event, it urged Turkey and Armenia to use the occasion of the centenary of the genocide to establish diplomatic relations.

Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), as well as the main opposition parties, the Republican People’s Party (CHP) and the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), yesterday released a joint statement “harshly condemning the partial approach” of the European Parliament, which backed a motion calling the mass killings of Anatolian Armenians during World War I a “genocide.”

The statement condemned the parliament’s “partial” approach as against “the idea of peace, toleration and building of a common future.”

“Despite our objections, the European Parliament prefers to deepen the problem and gap between our two societies . . . and prevent impartial and scientific research of the issue,” said the joint statement.

Only the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) abstained from signing the declaration, calling the reaction against the pope by Erdogan and the other parties as childish. Instead, “The government should found a truth and reconciliation commission in order to face the past,” HDP Co-Chair Selahattin Demirtaş.

For his part, the Mufti of Ankara Hızli Mefail said, “The statement that the Catholic world’s spiritual leader pope delivered three days ago, saying Armenians had been subjected to a genocide, is extremely spectacular”.

In his view, the pope’s statement reflects “a modern colour of the crusader wars launched in these lands for centuries.”

“Frankly, I believe that the pope’s remarks will only accelerate the process for Hagia Sophia to be re-opened for [Muslim] worship”.

The latter echoes other voices who, in recent years, have called for Saint Sophia Basilica to be turned into a mosque.

Following the city’s conquest by the Ottomans in 1453, the church was used as a mosque. This lasted until the authorities of Turkey’s new Republic reopened it in 1935 as a museum.

Last Friday, for the first time in 85 years, a Muslim cleric recited the Qur‘an in Hagia Sophia.

A passage from the Qur’an was recited late on April 10 at a ceremony at the basilica to mark the opening of a new exhibition titled ‘Love of the Prophet’ as part of this year’s Holy Birth Week. This includes a symposium that opened today on “The Prophet and Cohabitation Ethics and Law”.

 

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  1. jorge manuel says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    I would like to question the turquish autorities : will you send another hitman to kill the Pope ?

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 19, 2015 at 10:47 pm

      Good question, Jorge. A lot of people don’t realize that Pope John Paul II’s would-be assassin was a Turkish Mohammedan.

  2. Benedict says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    Finally someone has spoken of the Armenian genocide and kept the issue alive. The Vatican should not bow to any black mail from which ever quarter it may be. When the Muslims have their foundations rocked they begin to resort to threats.
    No backing down. Thank you Holy Father

  3. American says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 12:16 pm

    Gee, I have an idea. Why doesn’t Turkey apologize? I guess that would be just too “unrealistic”, like asking Iran to acknowledge that Israelis (Jews) have a right to live.

    I’d be interested in seeing what “The Prophet and Cohabitation Ethics and Law” symposium will include. Is this where they remind us that non-Muslims must be converted, subjugated or killed in order to achieve peaceful and lawful cohabitation?

  4. tilda says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 12:19 pm

    The Pope’s remarks won’t “accelerate the process” for Hagia Sophia to be re-opened as a mosque; Turkey will stick to its original timetable. Anyway, I don’t understand why they think the Pope would care whether it accelerates or not. (Islam seems to have a certain mindset when it comes to stolen buildings.)

    Sounds as if calling a genocide a genocide has hurt some feelings. Very sensitive little plants.

    • boakai ngombu says

      Apr 17, 2015 at 12:45 pm

      don’tcha know: the Allah god of islam (unknowable; the best of all deceivers) ordered the genocide and it desires to keep the matter under wraps … so as to deceive …. religion of peace issues and all that?

    • edwardg says

      Apr 19, 2015 at 2:23 pm

      “Accelerating the process”? Seriously, what difference does it make now? When was it last used as a church, 1453?

  5. Marco Elliott says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    Francis, the Pope of Rome, will be remembered with blessings long after the clown of Ankara, Hizli Mefail, has been condemned to oblivion in the waste bin of history. God, the True God, will not be mocked for ever. There will come a time when the Cross is raised high on Agia Sophia and the temples of the demon of the Kaba demolished throughout the world.

  6. cs says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    Ask what are they doing in Constantinople.

  7. Bezelel says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    gen·o·cide
    ˈjenəˌsīd
    noun
    noun: genocide; plural noun: genocides

    the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
    synonyms: mass murder, mass homicide, massacre; annihilation, extermination, elimination, liquidation, eradication, decimation, butchery, bloodletting;
    pogrom, ethnic cleansing, holocaust
    “a tyrant guilty of genocide”
    What part of the definition is in conflict with what happened? None.

  8. Maria says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 1:31 pm

    what a sly turk the pope did the right thing but why are Turks using this as a excuse to turn Hagia Sophia in a mosque the pope is catholic and the Agia Sophia is Greek Orthodox Church if Turks Dare turn this into a mosque Russia and Greece will make Turkey pay

    • JeffS says

      Apr 17, 2015 at 1:55 pm

      Russia and Greece aren’t going to do crap. I wish they would, but they won’t.

      • Maria says

        Apr 17, 2015 at 4:18 pm

        why don’t you try looking at the bigger picture Russia is arming Iran and eventually Turkey will go to war with Shia iran and Saudi to and Turkey will probably end up split up into Kurdistan

        • Richie says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 7:10 pm

          Hopefully the Greeks can get back Constantinople, and the Hagia Sophia be rechristened as a CHRISTIAN church

        • tilda says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 1:25 am

          @ Richie

          Was it ever deconsecrated? They can recite the Koran there as often as they want, and it won’t change what Hagia Sophia truly is.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 19, 2015 at 5:29 pm

          Only Maria would think that Russia arming openly genocidal Muslims is a *good thing*.

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 17, 2015 at 2:14 pm

      Russia and Greece did not do anything for the long centuries that Hagia Sophia suffered as a Mosque—in fact, Greece was under the brutal heel of the Ottomans herself for much of this period.

      And while you may consider Catholicism and Greek Orthodoxy to have nothing in common, this is not how most Christians think—and, more importantly in this context, it is not how *Muslims* think.

      Muslims have always been fine with collective punishment of Infidels—and that includes punishing Christians for the acts of Christians of other denominations.

      Most of the Christians who were butchered by the Muslim Turks were indeed Orthodox—I, for one, am glad that the Catholic pope cares enough about his fellow Christians to speak the truth about this. I don’t have to be Catholic—or even an entirely uncritical fan of Pope Francis—to appreciate his moral courage here.

      • TH says

        Apr 17, 2015 at 3:07 pm

        As for the Cahtolic Church and the Greek Orthodox one having nothing in common, that is totally false. They have almost everything in common and the divisive points, although important are not fundamental. As for the Armenian Orthodox, they are not the same as the Greek Orthodox as they separated earlier on the occasion of the condemnation of Nestorius in the council of Ephesus in 431. They have differences with both the Greek Orthodox and Rome regarding the divinity and humanity of Christ, a matter hotly debated at that time.
        The Trunks are simply trying to blackmail, which is what they are good at.

        • Wellington says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 5:38 pm

          Theologically speaking, TH, you are correct when you say that Roman Catholicism and Greek Orthodoxy have much in common, though there remain differences even here, for instance the filioque controversy which caused the final split beteen Western and Eastern Christianity in 1054 A.D. But psychologically and temperamentally speaking, there is a significant difference.

          Here it is: Catholicism does not harbor animosity towards the Orthodox world but the Orthodox world definitely still does towards the Catholic world. Catholics are either positive or indifferent towards Eastern Orthodoxy, though all the while wanting the Orthodox world to come back into the fold of the Catholic Church. By contrast, those of the Orthodox persuasion, whether Russian, Greek, etc., tend to be bitter often times, even paranoid, about Roman Catholicism. Surely you must know this.

        • Avenger says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 6:41 pm

          Wellington, who wouldn’t blame the Othodox religions of the world to be very leery of Catholics and the Vatican?
          Present day Italy and the Vatican are rich in plunder from the sacking of Constantinople by Catholic Venetians during the Fourth Crusade.
          This left the Byzantine Empire reduced and weakened opening the door for later conquest by the Seljuk Turks from the Steppes of Asia and finally the Ottoman Turks.
          Pope John Paul, who I truly admire, apologized for this destruction in 2001.

        • Wellington says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 7:49 pm

          Avenger and Justin: Thanks both for the unnecessary history lessons. Do either of you really think I did not know of the shameful activity by Western Chrisitans in the Fourth Crusade? C’mon, give me a break. I NEVER averred that Roman Catholics never did wrong. My larger point, which both of you missed, was that, wrongdoing aside by both some Catholic and Orthodox Christians, the Catholic world has moved on but the Orthodox world has not. Or are either or both of you so slanted and narrow in your points of view that you would assert that the Catholic world has done wrong but the Orthodox world never has? Get real, will ya’.

        • Avenger says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 8:19 pm

          @Wellington
          It was more like “luck of the draw” that Catholicism followed the expanding West and Orthodoxy did not. Catholics weren’t subjugated by ottoman turks, Avars, Mongols and communism century after century. What is astonishing is that when given some breathing room, Orthodox Christians flourish!

        • Wellington says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 9:38 pm

          Don’t you see, Avenger, that your comments prove my initial contention in my 5:38 P.M. post above, to wit, that the Orthodox Christian world still tends to remain bitter, paranoid and, yes, even a bit jealous of the Western Christian world. And let’s not forget, as well, that the Western Christian world had to deal with many problems too, including Muzzies who wanted it all. Think Charles Martel here, 732 A.D., Tours, and all that. The entire Spanish Reconquista “experience” also, which lasted for eight centuries. And so on.

          But I do agree with you that Orthodox Christianity flourished in many ways in spite of much set against it. Orthodox Christian art alone remains a priceless heritage for all that part of mankind that can appreciate priceless heritages regardless of personal beliefs (this would, of course, exclude the vast bulk of the Muslim world which, more than almost any other earthly world, can only see things from its perspective). Perhaps here we have common ground.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 10:45 pm

          Justin wrote:

          Wellington, to be honest with you, I am living in the West now for some years and let alone being jealous for the life in the West, I am actually and very truly DISGUSTED BY IT and I absolutely wouldn’t want my little ones to grow up here! What is there to be jealous of in the West? Life in the West is all about godlessness, materialism, hedonism, computer games, sexual promiscuity, crime, drugs, gangs, spiritual bankruptcy and childishness…
          ………………………………

          In that case, why not leave? No one is forcing you to stay in the civilized West. Shouldn’t you be well out of here soon, in any case, so you don’t get caught here when God destroys your neighbors, as you are so often calling on him to do?

        • Champ says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 5:52 pm

          Wellington wrote:

          My larger point, which both of you missed, was that, wrongdoing aside by both some Catholic and Orthodox Christians, the Catholic world has moved on but the Orthodox world has not. Or are either or both of you so slanted and narrow in your points of view that you would assert that the Catholic world has done wrong but the Orthodox world never has?

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Precisely, Wellington!! Bravo! …an excellent and more moral point of view that neither ‘justin’ nor ‘avenger’ are able to grasp.

        • Champ says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 6:32 pm

          Graven wrote:

          In that case, why not leave? No one is forcing you to stay in the civilized West. Shouldn’t you be well out of here soon, in any case, so you don’t get caught here when God destroys your neighbors, as you are so often calling on him to do?

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Great response to ‘justin’, Graven! …a common sense solution to the nonsense continually offered by ‘justin’ and his agenda-of-hate.

        • particolor says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 9:30 pm

          Who brought forth dem Turkeys into My Church ? 🙁

        • Avenger says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 11:34 pm

          @Wellington at 9:38pm
          Big “W” I still can’t agree on your assessment that Orthodox Christians feel humbled or resentful of Catholics, quite the contrary there is more disgust or pity for them. The Catholic Church seems to be rocked by a sex or financial scandal monthly, the new Pope is a socialist at best and a lot of Catholics are dropping out. I truly wish they’d get it together because it’s giving all Christians a bad rep.

          This is my last post here, see you next time.

          @ Champ, W Canadian and Jay Airahs
          Lay off the name calling! Especially Maria and Peggy, neither deserve your verbal abuse, both have great POV’s and a lot of people here like their posts. Muslims have no respect for women and you’re all starting to sound like one. If you have to insult people with differing views then hammer on me or Justin.

        • voegelinian says

          Apr 19, 2015 at 4:24 am

          In Bat Ye’or’s important work on dhimmitude (which of course most intensely affected the Christians who were directly under Islamic occupation for centuries — North African, Middle Eastern, and the former Byzantine lands later SE and parts of central Europe), she notes that many of these Christians most directly “dhimmified” sometimes tended (and still tend) to harbor anti-Western and anti-American sentiments (not to mention anti-Semitic), which she speculates may well reflect such “Islamic values” rubbing off on them, via the cultural & psychological processes of dhimmitude.

          The insidious influence of Islam on Eastern Christians may well go back to the early centuries. Some scholars think the “Iconoclastic” controversies which flared up in the 8th and 9th centuries may have reflected the Islamic value of their image-phobia (thus icons perceived as “idolatry”).

        • Avenger says

          Apr 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm

          @ Voegelinian
          Voeg, iconoclasticism had been a much battled belief in Byzantium two centuries before Mohamad was even born.
          There had been battles between muslim Arabs and Christian Byzantines in the 7th and 8th centuries but little cross pollination of religious or cultural beliefs and ideas.
          Orthodox Chritians did take up a nasty muslim habit of stoning adulterers, that behavior only lasted one or two generations after ridding themselves of their vile Turkish overlords.

      • Wellington says

        Apr 17, 2015 at 10:19 pm

        I’m shocked, shocked, I say, Justin, that you have a negative view of the West. Sure didn’t see this ‘acomin’ since you have been positive about it so many other times.

        Really, Justin, can you not even distinguish between my centuries-long take on Western Christianity versus Eastern Christianity on the one hand, and the low elements of the West in our age on the other? Whether having to go back to the early thirteenth century and the Fourth Crusade or only concentrating on, admittedly, the West’s moral and other failings over the past half century, you seem determined to take a specific view, never a long and expansive view, never a total view.

        Oh, and btw, I guess “sexual promiscuity, crime, drugs, gangs, spiritual bankruptcy,” et al. doesn’t exist at all in the Eastern European world. Also, if you so hate the West, as clearly you do, then LEAVE IT! Go back to the purity of the Orthodox Christian realm or some other non-Western world. As long as you continue to live in the West while at the same time having so much contempt for it, then you are a parasite and a hypocrite.

        Your turn.

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 5:33 pm

          “I came here after you bombed me out of my ancestral lands ”

          Gee Wellington, I didn’t know you were ever in the air force!!! How many bombing missions did you personally fly, and in what aircraft??

          And on a less serious note….

          ‘Justin/maria’, the troll with two names or two trains with the same mental disorder, are both so twisted by ignorance and hatred, that they are as much of a threat, and devout muslims themselves…. Sad, and as much of a waste as being a muslim.

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 5:43 pm

          Welcome to the land of typo’s….

          two trains should be two brains

          and devout should be as devout…..

        • Champ says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 6:01 pm

          Ahaha!! …’justin’ the HATER is giving us a lesson in *spirituality*, lol! Oh wow now that’s hilarious 😀 ..not to mention hypocritical.

          ‘justin’ has some nerve schooling Wellington on his spiritual journey when all he does is HATE America like a man obsessed with HATRED.

          Here’s ‘justin’ yelling at us through his keyboard …

          http://www.goodenoughmother.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/angry-computer-guy.jpg

        • Wellington says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 8:53 pm

          Good to read your comments here, Western Canadian and Champ. As for Justin, I believe he’s doomed to never comprehending a great deal of which he would be better off getting. But then, that’s his problem and not ours. Take good care, both of you.

        • Avenger says

          Apr 19, 2015 at 12:04 am

          Thanks Justin!
          God bless You and your Family.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 19, 2015 at 6:15 pm

          The idea that Justin was somehow forced to come to the free West is just bizarre. He always pushes the paradise of authoritarian Russia here—couldn’t have have gone there?

          Moreover, the idea that the West is anti-mind—given her development of reason—is just odd.

          And most of what we have seen here of Justin’s “spirituality” is his calling on God to destroy the West over the existence of gay parades.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 21, 2015 at 3:28 pm

          Justin wrote:

          Canada brags to be the second nation on Earth that legalized “gay marriage” Now, will Canada go ahead and take the great honour of legalizing Pedophilia, Incest and Bestiality???
          …………………………………

          Justin’s conflation of consensual relationships between adult same-sex partners with coercive and forced crimes, including crimes against children, show his complete lack of moral compass.

        • The Doctor says

          Apr 23, 2015 at 1:13 pm

          Bravo!

    • Avenger says

      Apr 17, 2015 at 3:41 pm

      Maria, the USA guarantee’s the sovereignty of Turkey. Turkey is a NATO ally (hard to believe) and the U.S. has air and naval bases in Turkey and occupied Cyprus.
      Yearly the Turks land on deserted Greek islands and plant their flags, hoping some day to take possession. Greece was occupied by Turkey for over four hundred years, after its independence it was a pawn for the French and British to maintain a power balance against Russia which later became the Soviet Union. Add WWI and WWII, civil wars, few natural resources and a small population, Greece could not begin to oppose the Turks.
      Russia however could devastate Turkey in months using only conventional warfare but it would bring Russia to war with the USA and NATO.

      Turkey must be removed from NATO and the U.S. has to decommission all of its military bases and use other nations as backup against Russia. Add a trade embargo to the mix and maybe, just maybe, they would owe up to the worlds first genocide but with no apology of course.

      • Maria says

        Apr 17, 2015 at 4:10 pm

        Avenger yes theres nato bases in Greece but in Cyprus theres no US airbase they did not allow one but there is a british base in Cyprus which is why the British helped Turks to divide Cyprus so they could have that Airbase there to use to blackmail Greek Cypriots to not make the British Leave but the good news is lately the president of Cyprus has Agreed to allow Russia navel ships to dock there and is also considering letting Russia use Air base in Cyprus paphos I hope that they do allow Russian bases in Cyprus to protect it from the Turks

      • Maria says

        Apr 17, 2015 at 4:22 pm

        the sad thing is Avenger the US and NATO should be united with Russia against Turkey not NATO and Turkey agasint Russia but they want to split up Russia because of its resources so they made a alliance with evil

        • Avenger says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 4:51 pm

          You are totally correct Maria, the ” Cold War ” mentality still exists in the US and Britain. However, Obama is way to inept to conduct any negotiations with Putin, it would be worse then the Iranian fiasco. We will have to wait for his replacement before any dialogue can start between the two nations. Maybe a Ted Cruz or Scott Walker.

        • Maria says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 5:13 pm

          I don’t know Avenger I think ted Cruz and Scott Walker who are republicans share the same Cold war mentality mosr republicans do as well as demcoracts I think maybe Ron Paul would be the best as he don’t believe in interfering in other countries affairs

        • Avenger says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 6:54 pm

          You bring up a good point about non interference by Rand Paul but it may be a double edged sword Maria. He possibly wouldn’t lift a finger to help any non Muslim nation being attacked by a muslim country. For example, Lebanon being attacked by the newly forming caliphate (ISIL).
          The Democrats are fielding feckless candidates also, good at only the redistribution of wealth. It’s really a bad outcome in any future scenario.

        • Maria says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 7:05 pm

          Your right he wouldn’t help any Christian being attacked by muslims but I guess the only good thing would be lets say for example in a situation like Kosovo where Serbs where winning he wouldn’t interfere and let Serbs win also in Nigeria there would be no critising of the Nigerian army attacking Boko haram like Obama did I guess those would be the good points but the bad point is it wouldn’t be good for lebenese Christians or middle eastern Christians who cant fight back

        • Wellington says

          Apr 17, 2015 at 10:53 pm

          The West, Maria, has never wanted to split up Russia. Rather, the West wanted to split up the USSR which Putin clearly looks upon the dissolution of such as a great tragedy. Learn the difference will you.

          And learn if you can as well that it is paranoid, xenophobic, liberty-hating Russia which is responsible for not being aligned with the West right now, for not being part of NATO. As George Kennan, adviser to both Democratic and Republican American Presidents for over half a century, and a man fluent in Russian and highly knowledgeable about Russian history, observed, the Russians look upon their neighbors as vassals or enemies. Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, plentiful amounts of Ukrainians, loads of Georgians, Czechs, Slovaks, et al., I am certain would confirm what Kennan asserted. And ask yourself this if you are still not convinced here, and it is this: Why is that Poles, Czechs, Estonians, Latvians—-ah the list is a very long one—– have looked upon NATO positively and wanted to be a part of it but Russia has not? Yeah, answer this one.

        • Januk36 says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 1:39 am

          Wellington – The US should consider to align with Russia and not the other way round. Just a thought that will never materialize.

        • Wellington says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 9:16 pm

          Well, Maria, your geopolitical “take” on poor Russia and how those terrible bullies like the Czechs and the Poles wanted NATO missiles pointed at Russia rings quite hollow actually. What the Poles and Czechs did want, which Obama stupidly nixed, was a defensive sheld against a rogue missile or two fired by a terrorist regime like Iran.

          And how did Putin react to this? Why, he claimed, in total 100% bogus fashion, that a defensive shield in Poland and the Czech Republic was a threat to poor Mother Russia. Yes, even though Russia could send, literally, THOUSANDS of nuclear missiles into Poland or the Czech Republic, an extremely limited missile shield in said Eastern European nations, which could, at best, only deflect a handful of missiles, was still a threat to Russia which could completey overwhelm such a missile shield in a matter of minutes.

          Thank you for proving my point, that being that George Kennan was eminently correct when he asserted that the Russians look upon their neighbors as vassals or enemies. Yes, Putin and his ilk, like the Soviets before, and the Czars before that, want a completely compliant Eastern Europe or else.

          Look, I honor the Russians for their attributes, for instance their bravery and their great intellectual and artistic traditions, but the Russians are appalling when it comes to freedom. And Putin is confriming all the worst stereotypes of the Russians as xenophobic and paranoid. Hey, don’t take it up with me only. Yes, take it up with those mortal threats to Russia like the Poles, the Estonians, the Latvians, the Lithuanians, the Czechs, the Slovaks, et al., all of whom I suppose in your mind are in the wrong while poor Mother Russia is in the right. Rather like the mother who commented on the parade her son was in and said, “Everyone is out of step but my son.” Yeah, go figure.

        • Avenger says

          Apr 19, 2015 at 10:42 am

          Wellington why wouldn’t the US put this defensive missile system in India? Surely that would give this truly volatile region much more stability and allow India to build needed infrastructure and not dump a good portion of their GDP in an arms race.
          If these missile systems are so badly needed by Europeans could the Russians be approached in a less heavy handed way and maybe even deploy them in Russia itself? We seem to do well co working on the Space Station, could this scenario be a real possibility?
          I’ve also read where these defensive missile systems can easily be redeployed as a first strike capability.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 19, 2015 at 6:21 pm

          Good posts, Wellington.

  9. bobm says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    silly man; all the mosques in the universe can’t save you from your hearts desire……

  10. gravenimage says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    Mufti of Ankara: Pope acknowledging Armenian Genocide will hasten Hagia Sophia’s becoming mosque again

    Petulance and Islamic supremacist denial on a state level. The Pope, you see, should have known better: the dhimmi must know his place and keep silent about whatever is done to him by Muslims. And in response, the Christians must be punished further.
    …………………………………

    This is *very* true—dhimmis must not complain about Muslim savagery against them, unless they want more of the same.

    And this is a specific subset of ‘defense against Jihad causes Jihad’, where the victims of Jihad are always blamed for their own victimization.

    The truth is that pious Muslims have been clamoring for quite some time for Hagia Sophia to be retaken as a Mosque in today’s re-Islamizing Turkey.

    More:

    “Armenian Genocide: Turkish politicians criticise the EU; Mufti reacts to pope’s words threatening to turn Saint Sophia into a mosque”
    …………………………………

    A small point, but an important one: Hagia Sophia does not actually mean “Saint Sophia”, but “Holy Wisdom”. This is only important because as Islam works to erase history, more and more of it becomes lost.

    More:

    Ankara (AsiaNews) – Turkish political parties (with one exception) released a joint statement against the European Parliament’s ‘genocide’ vote on the mass killings of Anatolian Armenians during World War I.
    …………………………………

    One of the very few times I can uncritically applaud the actions of the European Parliament. Bravo for their telling the truth here.

    More:

    On Wednesday, the European parliament passed the motion on the Armenian genocide. Calling on Ankara to acknowledge the event, it urged Turkey and Armenia to use the occasion of the centenary of the genocide to establish diplomatic relations.
    …………………………………

    I doubt little Armenia would much benefit from trying to establish democratic relations with the political entity that tried to wipe them out.

    The Armenians were the *only* people in history who ever voluntarily put themselves under Soviet domination—they knew they would be brutally oppressed, but it was better than genocide at the hands of the Muslim Turks.

    More:

    Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), as well as the main opposition parties, the Republican People’s Party (CHP) and the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), yesterday released a joint statement “harshly condemning the partial approach” of the European Parliament, which backed a motion calling the mass killings of Anatolian Armenians during World War I a “genocide.”
    …………………………………

    Actually, the genocide has a longer history than this—it began in about 1895, and progressed in a series of waves of homicidal violence through 1915 and the terrible destruction of Smyrna in 1922.

    It also spanned the last years of the Ottoman Empire, the period of the Young Turks, and the early years of Attatürk—showing that this was not the merely the policy of one or another political regime.

    Armenians suffered the most, but the genocide also targeted Greek, Assyrian, and Levantine Christians, as well as Jews—really, all non-Muslims in Turkey.

    Armenians went from being a large minority in Turkey in the late 19th century to just a pitiful remnant today—around 40,000 now, down from over two million in 1914.

    More:

    The statement condemned the parliament’s “partial” approach as against “the idea of peace, toleration and building of a common future.”

    “Despite our objections, the European Parliament prefers to deepen the problem and gap between our two societies . . . and prevent impartial and scientific research of the issue,” said the joint statement.
    …………………………………

    In other words, genocide does nothing to create a “gap” between societies—just daring to mention it does.

    We see this all the time, where Muslims repeatedly claim that mentioning Islamic terrorism is “divisive”, but fail to consider murderous Islamic terrorism divisive in itself.

    More:

    For his part, the Mufti of Ankara Hızli Mefail said, “The statement that the Catholic world’s spiritual leader pope delivered three days ago, saying Armenians had been subjected to a genocide, is extremely spectacular”.
    …………………………………

    Well, *that’s* odd phrasing. He is saying that they Pope’s open naming of genocide is outrageous—not that it isn’t true.

    More:

    In his view, the pope’s statement reflects “a modern colour of the crusader wars launched in these lands for centuries.”
    …………………………………

    Think how grotesque *this* is—claiming that an acknowledgment of Muslim violence against their Christian victims is somehow an act of aggression. (And never mind that the crusades themselves were defensive wars).

    Of course, Muslims consider any Infidel’s complaints of violence against them to be a “grievance” calling for more violence to shut them up. The acts of a playground bully writ murderously large.

    More:

    “Frankly, I believe that the pope’s remarks will only accelerate the process for Hagia Sophia to be re-opened for [Muslim] worship”.
    …………………………………

    This Mufti is basically acknowledging that re-seizing Hagia Sophia for Muslim worship is an act of “revenge”, rather than one of piety. Of course, for Muslims this is so often one and the same…

    • Charli Main says

      Apr 17, 2015 at 3:57 pm

      @ GI
      With the greatest respect the systematic genocide of the orthodox Armenians and orthodox Greeks of Anatolia did not begin around 1895. It started in the 11th century when the Muslims hoards from Central Asia attacked Christian Anatolia.
      800 years of raping, murdering and enslaving of the rightful inhabitants of that land is the true extent of the genocide committed by the Muslims. A conservative estimate of the slaughter of Christians is around 80 million over this period.
      The Hagia Sophia is only one of the hundreds of thousands of churches defiled and desecrated by the Turks.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 17, 2015 at 11:29 pm

        Charlie, I am quite familiar with the grim history of the Muslim takeover of Anatolia. It dates back even further than the specific threat from the Turks. Per the Hadith, the baleful “Prophet” himself first threatened “Rum”.

        I was referring specifically to the modern Armenian Genocide, and used the term in the historical sense. This is hardly meant to imply that Muslims in Turkey had not been oppressing and murdering Armenians and other Christians there for centuries.

        And I also know the dark history of Hagia Sofia following the Muslim taking of Constantinople in 1453, where the Mohammedan hordes butchered all the women, children, old people, monks, nuns, and priests who had taken sanctuary there before turning Christendom’s greatest cathedral into a foul mosque.

        • particolor says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 10:04 pm

          Who Brought those Fouls into My Church ? 🙁

    • Linde Barrera says

      Apr 17, 2015 at 4:18 pm

      To gravenimage- Your message about the Mufti, Hagia Sophia, the Pope and Armenian genocide was superb. Very clearly thought and written. Thank you. I just wanted to add that Hagia Sophia was made a museum in 1935 by Ataturk and his Council of “Ministers”. Prior to that it had been a mosque for over 400 years. As a museum, and being one of the star attractions of Istanbul, it gets many, many paying visitors every year. It is also free to Turks over 65, children under a certain age, etc. Does anyone actually believe the Turks would willingly give up such a lucrative source of income to make it into a full time mosque again? The only thing I could see happening to refute this is to have Friday prayers read in a portion of the building and close that portion off to paying visitors. Place your bets everyone.

      • Avenger says

        Apr 17, 2015 at 4:35 pm

        It will again become a mosque or even destroyed by a Erdogan temper tantrum.

        • particolor says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 10:08 pm

          ISIS Will Modify it when they get around to it !! They Hate History and Old Things !!:-(

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 18, 2015 at 12:25 am

        Linde Barrera wrote:

        To gravenimage- Your message about the Mufti, Hagia Sophia, the Pope and Armenian genocide was superb. Very clearly thought and written. Thank you.
        ……………………..

        Thank you so much for your kind words, Linde.

        More:

        I just wanted to add that Hagia Sophia was made a museum in 1935 by Ataturk and his Council of “Ministers”. Prior to that it had been a mosque for over 400 years. As a museum, and being one of the star attractions of Istanbul, it gets many, many paying visitors every year. It is also free to Turks over 65, children under a certain age, etc. Does anyone actually believe the Turks would willingly give up such a lucrative source of income to make it into a full time mosque again?
        ……………………..

        Absolutely, Linde. Pious Muslims have destroyed much greater sources of revenue than this many times.

        “Islamists” invading Mali shut down the international music festival there, which was Mali’s *only* real tourist attraction.

        And the Jihadist attackers, Islamic revolutionaries, and Muslim Brotherhood have almost completely destroyed Egypt’s tourist industry, a much bigger source of money than is Hagia Sophia in Turkey.

        I believe we make an error when we assume that Mohammedans are always motivated by rational concerns.

        Erdogan has been fast re-Islamizing Turkey since he came to power. Turkey may or may not be so far gone at this point as to turn Hagia Sophia into a mosque again—but many pious Muslims want to see this, and Turkey is certainly headed in this direction.

        • voegelinian says

          Apr 19, 2015 at 4:13 pm

          “voegelinian says

          April 19, 2015 at 3:04 pm

          Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

          Why does this happen periodically, almost at random, it seems…?

      • voegelinian says

        Apr 19, 2015 at 3:04 pm

        “I just wanted to add that Hagia Sophia was made a museum in 1935 by Ataturk…”

        Yes, and even under less Islamic Turkey in prior decades, and continuing right up to the present, the head of the entire Orthodox Church, the Ecumenical Patriarch, is given an official building that looks more like an old-fashioned bourgeois office building – an arrogant humiliation by the “secular” Turkish government in keeping with sharia law.

        Here’s the headquarters of the Patriarch, the church of St. George:

        http://www.atlantaserbs.com/web/learnmore/manastiri/Greek-Ort-Constantinopole/photo01a.jpg

        “Does anyone actually believe the Turks would willingly give up such a lucrative source of income to make it into a full time mosque again?”

        Of course they would: to Muslims, the Sunna is more important than anything. And as Andrew Bostom showed in this long interview with Robert Spencer not long ago –

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/03/andrew-bostom-and-robert-spencer-discuss-bernard-lewis-and-academic-study-of-islam.html

        — the forces for Islamization in Turkey have always been a threat to the secular dictatorship which Ataturk put in place; and this threat is continuing to get worse and worse, and it is reasonable to suppose it finds comprehensive support in millions of Turks who remain fanatical Muslims (i.e., ordinary Muslims).

        In this regard, I would be much more inclined to trust the judgement of a certain Turkish woman than I would some anonymous commenters on a web forum—namely, Hatune Dogan, a Turkish-German Orthodox Christian nun who fled Turkey to live in Germany. She grew up in Turkey, now lives in Germany, and travels widely (she recently toured the Middle East bravely to see with her own eyes the persecution of Christians by Muslims, and also attended a conference in Florida not too long ago with the Austrian Counter-Jihad activist Elisabeth Sabbaditsch-Wolff). In a recent video, Sister Hatune described her experiences in Turkey, and at one point, she says:

        “The Turkish people are the most fanatic there is… To others — when they speak — it’s secular, liberal, European rights, but when they act, it’s the most fanatic people on earth.”

        http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/12/december-10th-the-day-of-genuine-human-rights/

        So yes, it is reasonable to suppose that Turkish Muslims would, in a Constantinople Minute, sacrifice all the tourist revenues in the world to restore the mosque that symbolizes their victory of Mohammedan terror over the Christians in 1453.

        • Linde Barrera says

          Apr 20, 2015 at 1:11 pm

          To Vogue- (my name for you). Thank you for your well researched response about turning the Hagia Sofia back into a mosque. I will save this response.

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 21, 2015 at 3:36 pm

          Agreed, Voeg.

  11. De says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 2:55 pm

    They have to have someone to blame for what they will do anyway.

  12. somehistory says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    These guys, who feel they are supreme among creatures…but can’t even carry a decent tune as evidenced by their unununhhh from the loudspeakers…have no power. They say, Christians make them do this, and Jews make them do that, and islamoknowhatisers make them do something else….all jihad of course. And now words of the pope are making them turn the former church into a mosque for sounding out their ununununhhh of hatred and incitement to murder.

    This beast is aging…only a little while longer for his incessant whining and threatening to be heard in the lands. Like the handwriting on the wall of the palace in ancient Babylon told the arrogant king that he had been weighed in the balance and found wanting, his days were numbered (Daniel 5:25) and …that night he was killed…the same will happen for this wild beast of satan. It has a limited number of days and when they run out, there will be an ending (Revelation 13;17;19)

  13. katarzyna says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 3:21 pm

    ”Turkey’s EU Affairs Minister and Chief Negotiator Volkan Bozkır attributed the pope’s remarks to the powerful Armenian lobby and diaspora deeply rooted in Argentina, the pontiff’s home country.[…]
    “I would like to note that the pope is from Argentina, a country that hosted Nazi war criminals who perpetrated unspeakable crimes against humanity,” he said during a party gathering in İstanbul on Monday ahead of the June 7 general election” http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_eu-affairs-minister-says-popes-nationality-behind-armenian-genocide-remarks_377896.html
    On Monday in Ankara the Turkish PM said: “An evil front is being formed before us…Now the pope has joined it and these plots.” http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/04/15/turkish-pm-accuses-pope-of-being-part-of-evil-front-against-his-country/
    And again Davutoğlu: ”I told Schulz[President of the European Parliament] yesterday: If we open the books on European history [there will be questions on] what was done in Asia, Africa, what happened to the original tribes [there]. Where are the Aborigines? Where are the Native Americans? Where are the many African tribes?” Davutoğlu asked during a press conference in Ankara. “We never had ghettos. Ghettos are a European product. First there is ethnic discrimination, then there is genocide,”
    the Turkish prime minister declared.”
    “This is a development that will inflame rising anti-Islamic and anti-Turkish sentiments in Europe,” said Davutoğlu. “These are steps in the direction of collectively accusing every Turk, every Muslim, of being responsible sometimes for [the crimes committed by] ISIL [the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant], sometimes for other crimes,” said Davutoğlu.”
    http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_davutoglu-questions-europe-on-aborigines-native-americans-after-genocide-vote_378258.html

    • Avenger says

      Apr 17, 2015 at 4:30 pm

      The Turks during their many periods of ethnic cleansing were as bad if not worse then ISIL today. Don’t give us the hogwash of Europeans cleansing other cultures like islam does. If the Ottomans colonized the New World first there would be zero native inhabitants left. Disease killed the majority of indigenous population. Native Americans of both hemispheres thrive today unlike the Christians, Buddhists or Hindus who continue to be devastated in muslim lands.
      The Turks, without western technology and money would look like modern day Bangladesh.

      • Maria says

        Apr 17, 2015 at 6:38 pm

        Avenger that’s true they where worse then isil they would kill any Christian and they systamaticly starved Christians to death and raped on a mass scale they didn’t even spare children they would kill children to they where like Nazis but the west says that apparent Turkey had a good culture and Good history on BBC documentrys about ottoman empire they lie and try to make it look like it was both sides to blame how can it be both sides it was Turks who came from Mongolia and converted to Islam and forced out Christians but the Western media Will always defend islam by saying both sides are to blame I have noticed that lately to me there is No both sides if you walk in the street and somebody attacks you and you fight back its not both sides are to blame also in the bbc 2 documentary kill the Christians the BBC journalist was in Lebanon and saying stuff like but it wasn’t just muslims who killed Christians killed to to the man she was interviewing

      • katarzyna says

        Apr 17, 2015 at 6:55 pm

        I give you this – in my opinion the PM is saying that genocide recognition(the resolution) constitutes racism.

        • Avenger says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 11:48 pm

          I agree Katarzyna, the Turks NEVER accepted responsibility for any of their past killing binges. If they do they claim they were provoked.
          As in your above post the Turks will twist anyone else’s history to justify their own lust to kill. Out of NATO please!
          Thanks Kat.

    • Avenger says

      Apr 17, 2015 at 7:07 pm

      Katarzyna, I am so sorry for not reading your post in depth ( dang I’m at work). I’ll will soon and respond. Thanks

  14. Billy Wright says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 3:32 pm

    Hopefully this will change Turkey’s mind about wanting to join the European Union.

  15. Wellington says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 6:07 pm

    One of many notable differences between the Judeo-Christian world and the Islamic world is that the former has demonstrated time and time again the capacity to apologize for wrongdoing by its believers. The Islamic world never apologizes for anything, which is evidence of its ungraciousness, small-mindedness and supremacist thinking. It’s rank immaturity too. (Yes, Islam is the immature religion of the major religions of the world. Just look at its crude, child-like conception of the afterlife and the way it places virtually the entire burden upon the female for any sexual transgressions.)

    As an example, in addition to the one here respecting the Armenian genocide, the Judeo-Christian world has profusely apologized for its role in past centuries in the African slave trade. By contrast, the Islamic world, which is far more culpable than the Judeo-Christian world here since it engaged in this heinous activity for many more centuries than did the Judeo-Christian world (from the seventh century actually to modern times versus, respecting the J-C world, from the fifteenth century to the nineteenth century). In fact, the reason why much of the Islamic world’s trafficking in the African slave trade ended was precisely due to the Judeo-Christian world interceding to stop it, especially the British with both their navy and army (e.g., Lord Kitchener’s defeat of Islamic forces at Omdurman in 1898). This reason alone should function as a red light to modern blacks in the West who have converted to Islam. Sadly, it has not.

    I would vigorously assert that one of many reasons to despise what Islam has wrought is that it never apologizes for what is has wrought. And it has wrought horrible things. Yes, truly horrible things. From Mohammed onwards.

  16. gaston says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    What would you expect from Islam ?, just look at their patriarch mohammed he was a confused barbarian

  17. Baconeatingkaffir says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    I’d expect as much from a cretin named ME FAIL who lives in a country where Mein Kampf is a best seller and rumor has it has given 10,000 blank passports to the ISIS bastards.

  18. Sam says

    Apr 17, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    I am from Turkey originally and I am so embarrased about this PM Erdogan and his cult members as much as I am ashamed of this traitor Obama. What a screwed up time we live in. It is surreal.

    Have people all over the world lost their common sense and their pinch of morality

  19. David says

    Apr 18, 2015 at 12:13 am

    Evidence is mounting that the Turkish Govt. under its little Mussolini dictator Erdogan and its MIT (intel. Agency) has been supplying truckloads of heavy weapons, false passports, vehicles and trucks, training and medical care, sanctuary, money and thousands of “fighters” to al-nusra/al-Q terrorists in Syria and Iraq.
    They are used to suppress the Kurds and target Christians in those countries and I’m sure the US knows all about it but doesn’t want to embarass its “good NATO ally” (or it’s Saudi/Qatar sponsors)- an embarrassment and affront to all Americans.
    About 6 months ago, these ghoulish murderers blew-up the Armenian Genocide Memorial Church in Syria. The site of the Church is believed to be the largest mass-murder crime scene in the World because the Turks used it as a “dumping ground” for their death marches and there are thousands of Armenians (and other Christians) buried in mounds there (the area is under ISIL control with no present access).
    One only has to dig in the mounds to find their remains. (there are videos on YouTube and eyewitnesses to prove it).
    The fact that the Turks continue their attacks and persecution of Christians leads me to believe that they are still genocidal and need to be exposed and confronted instead of enabled and coddled (like the US Govt. has).
    There are over 2,000 Armenian Church sites (many destroyed) in Turkey stolen from victims of their genocide that rightfully belong to the Church. Hagia Sophia belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church and needs to be returned. It is not to be desecrated as a museum or “re-purposed” as a Mosque or “gift shop”.
    100 years after the Genocide, the Turkish Govt. has learned nothing.
    Read the horrific accounts of what they did to the inhabitants during the attack, looting and burning of Constantinople, their genocide against Christians (and later massacres of Kurds) and you will understand why they were/are called “the sick man of Europe”.
    I feel sorry for the growing number of decent Turks who have to live under this shameful (and shameless) “Govt.”

    • David says

      Apr 18, 2015 at 1:24 am

      Correction: “The site of the Church is believed to be (one) of the largest mass-murder crime scene(s) in the World”. Estimates range in the hundreds of thousands of victims buried there. The victims were denied burial by decree of the Turkish Govt. but local Arabs buried them in mounds (often for health reasons) and also saved many children (though they were converted in most cases and grew up knowing little, or nothing, about their Christian heritage (until recently).

    • Avenger says

      Apr 18, 2015 at 2:10 pm

      Excellent David, I delved into the history of that time and place and you are totally correct.
      Look forward to more postings from you.
      Thank You

  20. Carlos Malleum says

    Apr 18, 2015 at 4:48 am

    The great church of Holy Wisdom was and remains a marvel of the world and a testament to the might and brilliance of the empire that built it.

    5 years and 10 months is all it took to raise this vast building, the largest covered space on the planet for over 1000 years. It remains magnificent and awe inspiring. Now, most medieval cathedrals took literally centuries to build and are a fraction of the size of the Hagia Sophia.

    The so called architects of the Ottomans basically plagiarised the design for their mosques. But never came close to the mathematical genius of Isidore or the speed of construction.

    This threat by this Mufti is deeply symbolic. From the earliest days of the Caliphate, the ultimate goal of the robbers and bandits who made up the Arab conquest was to capture Constantinople and, most importantly the great church. Subsequent caliphs and Turkish Sultans reiterated this demand to prove their zeal for jihad. The conversion of the Hagia Sophia into a Mosque became the principle focus of jihad.

    Now when the great Mustafa Kemel Ataturk deposed the caliphate and abolished the Sultanate, setting Turkey on the path of Enlightenment which they are doing such a good job of destroying at the moment , he turned the church into a museum and booted out the mullahs, such was his contempt for the superstition and backwardness of Islam and it’s adherents. Thus was hugely symbolic and to date, the Turks have supported his legacy with pride. However, thus is changing under the current government and Turkey is slowly slipping into the dark again.

    The West and especially France hold quite a bit if responsibility here. The UK was one of the few countries that realised that Turkey needed to be embraced by the EU, several attempts in the 1990s and 2000s were blocked, France, whilst opening the doors to North African islamists vetoed the application citing Turkeys so called human rights abuses especially of the Salafists and islamists, at the time the Kurds were falling back into Salafism as a focus of independence, remember, Islam us a faith of war. Had Turkey been brought into the EU then this potential power house of industry would have become more Secular, a bastion against Russian expansion and with Iraq now on the border of Europe, a significant threat to the jundies and extremists in the region.

    At the time, the (now persecuted) enlightened Turks, academic, journalists and politicians as well as the UK foreign office (for once getting it right) warned that unless the principles of democracy were reinforced by EU membership and the economic benefits of free trade experienced then there was a significant risk that the state would lurch towards the Islam of Saudi. This is what has happened, it’s a tragedy because it was preventable. It was one of the first indications of how the EU government was beginning to act with disregard for the democracies it represents, now thoroughly indicated by the way it’s treating Greece and those members who dissent.

    Like the rise of Islamism in the West, this could have been prevented and has been caused by the arrogance of cultural Marxism which takes for granted the enlightened freedoms we have and treats them with Utter contempt.

    If the HS becomes a Mosque again it will he the final nail in the coffin for Secular Turkey. The only reason it hasn’t happened yet is that the forces of secularism, especially the army are still too powerful, but this could and will most likely change.

    When the conversation happens the wonderful mosaics and Christian iconography, covered from 1453 until 1935 will be either destroyed or painted over and buried as the great building once again becomes a temple of Islam

    • Avenger says

      Apr 18, 2015 at 1:58 pm

      Carlos, your post is excellent, a pleasure to read. However, myself having Greek ancestry, I would like to disagree on one point you make, I would still rather sacrifice the Hagia Sofia to the Turks then to allow them into the EU.
      They may have remained more secular if allowed into the EU earlier but would still be the same old killers they were a hundred years ago. They unofficially celebrated the Armenian Genocde in most of their major cities, they occupy Cyprus and even being secular they are funding and allowing unfettered movement of ISIS across their borders. Under a secular government spanning 100 years they were still murdering Greeks, Armenians and Kurds- (not part of the Christian genocide), the ones who weren’t totally eradicated during the earlier genocide, with regularity. On the 500 year anniversary of the sacking of Constantinople (1953) turks rampaged through the streets of Istanbul burning, looting Greek owned businesses and murdering any Greek the mobs could find. It took one whole day before the Turk government sent in troops to end it. If the Turks were really “secular” they would have allowed the remaining Greeks in Istanbul to again worship at The Hagia Sofia. It will never happen.
      The British have a great fondness for anything muslim. They are currently buying up the vacated homes of murdered or displaced Greek Cypriots in occupied Cyprus. Also the British are allowing thousands of illegal muslim immigrants into their own nation as well.
      I see France as having more backbone then the English in this matter.
      In the West, economics usually trump humanity but if you desire cheap labor and low operating costs then do business in former Soviet controlled nations or better yet, set up trade in African nations that aren’t muslim yet.

      • Maria says

        Apr 18, 2015 at 3:22 pm

        well said Avenger The British have always sided with the Turks over Greek Cyprus The sultan ceded the administration of Cyprus to Britain in exchange for guarantees that Britain would use the island as a base to protect the Ottoman Empire against possible Russian aggression. The British had been offered Cyprus three times before accepting it in 1878.
        The terms of the convention provided that the excess of the island’s revenue over the expenditures for government should be paid as an “annual fixed payment” by Britain to the sultan. Greek Cypriots where taxed heavily so the British could pay he Sultan it was why they resented the British and they would not allow Cyprus to unify with Greece like the Ionian islands had done. The British where met with resistant by Greek Cypriots who wanted to join Greece and in 1960 the British left but they then allowed Turkey to divide Cyprus thousands of Cypriots where forced out of there homes and women and children where mass raped by those savage Turks and now Cyprus Joined the EU hoping it would help reunite the island but the EU has done nothing as Turkey is preventing Greek Cypriots from drilling for oil in the EEZ and has sent warships threatening to invade if Cypriots Drill for oil in the South I thought being part of the EU meant if one country threatens a EU country it was a attack on all or so

        • Linde Barrera says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 3:55 pm

          To Maria- Thank you for the valuable information you post on this website. I am 3rd generation American and my ethnicity is mostly Germanic and Austrian with a fractional part of Scottish/ Northern Irish. I am what used to be called WASP (White, Anglo Saxon Protestant) but labels mean nothing to me! I assess by what any human being does in life, not their ancestry or money or lack of money. A Greek/American shopkeeper in my ‘hood in Brooklyn, NY told me that if it wasn’t for the Russian Orthodox church intervening after WWI, the Greeks would still be subjugated to all kinds of vile actions from the Turks. And like so many oppressed peoples, the Armenians and Greeks “have taken a licking, but they keep on ticking”. Curse those vile Islamist Turks and God bless the Armenians, Greeks and Turkish Christians and Jews.

        • Maria says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 4:26 pm

          God bless you linde you are very well informed on the History of what islamist turks did to Greeks Armenians but i wish more people knew but the media tries to cover it up but thanks to alternative medias and blogs like jihad watch we can know the truth

        • Linde Barrera says

          Apr 18, 2015 at 4:46 pm

          To Maria- Thank you Maria. God bless you and yours also. And we must keep telling the truth about the evil doctrine of Islam, as well as witnessing for Jesus Christ. I was telling my daughter in law today that an infidel in Islam is anyone who is not a Muslim. The dictionary states an infidel is an atheist, an unbeliever, but Muslims have extended the meaning of the word. My daughter in law said “I didn’t know that mom”. So if she, a well educated person who listens to the news doesn’t know that, how many millions more don’t know that? Regards, Maria.

  21. cheesecake says

    Apr 18, 2015 at 5:38 am

    The Armenian genocide was a one off that the Muslim turks did.if you don’t count the genocide against the Pontiac Greeks or the Assyrian Christians or any other Turkish genocides .what about the muslim Indonesian invasion of east Timor and the killing of a least two hundred thousand christian east timorese.

  22. Aton says

    Apr 18, 2015 at 5:56 am

    And what about the Turkish Genocide of the Greeks? Can we have an article on that too? The Turks burned Greek Smyrna (Izmir) to the ground in 1922, and massacred and exiled up to 900,000 Greek Christians.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 19, 2015 at 11:05 pm

      Aton, this is true. What is known as the Armenian Genocide today also targeted Greek, Assyrian, and Levantine Christians.

  23. thomas pellow says

    Apr 18, 2015 at 6:37 am

    “Genocide of the Christians:

    “The blood-soaked depravity exceeded even today’s atrocities by Islamic State – now, 100 years on Turkey faces global disgust at its refusal to admit butchering over a MILLION Armenians.

    “In 1915 the rulers of the Ottoman empire turned their hatred on Armenians.

    The Young Turks persecution of the minority turned to unbridled savagery.

    Modern Turkey faces disgust over refusal to admit the historic genocide.”

    WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES .

    By TONY RENNELL

    FOR THE DAILY MAIL.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044292/Genocide-Christians-blood-soaked-depravity-exceeded-today-s-atrocities-Islamic-State-100-years-Turkey-faces-global-disgust-refusal-admit-butchering-MILLION-Christians.html

  24. R Cole says

    Apr 18, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    It is like having a relationship with an alcoholic – where they say ~ if you keep upsetting me – I’ll keep drinking.

    The abusive relationship is such that – they make their continued drinking – someone else’s fault !!

    The abusive nature of Islam means that everyone is blamed besides itself.

    ::

    The Disappeared

    Where are all the Christians who lived ‘peaceably’ under the Islamic rule of the Ottoman Empire?

    For Islam in the West strangely – we have been assured this can happen again…[I’m sure they are talking about the ‘peaceable’ part!]

  25. Champ says

    Apr 18, 2015 at 6:39 pm

    The Pope is part and parcel of the evil Chrislam movement …

    “THE COMING ONE WORLD RELIGION GROWS IN STRENGTH DAILY”

    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=28081

    And this …

    http://www.exposingchrislam.com/

  26. Dr. Sylva Portoian says

    Apr 19, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    Seljuk-Turks …
    Do you know you are criminal thieves…???
    Go and build your Turkish Temple …Not a Mosque …
    Real honest Sunni muslim Arabs will never do this …

    Calpha Omar bin Al Khatab refused to enter in 7th century
    Well known Church in Jerusalem …
    So his followers will not transfer to Mosque …
    Do you apply his principles…If you call your self Sunni Muslims…???

    Because you are from criminal Tartars genes …
    You can slay even the rules of god …
    You have already slayed god since you arrived …
    You are able to do any thing …

    Let the world see what you are doing …
    You charge every person entering Aya Sofia $12 …
    Are you going to charge the same
    When you make it your dirty Temple …???
    Shame on you are your Bloody Genes …
    Do what you like …You are called Turks …
    Even your god cannot stop you from doing criminal things

    A Poetic Soul Shined Of Genocides
    de Sylva-md-poetry

    April 17, 2015

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 21, 2015 at 4:06 pm

      Dr. Sylva Portoian wrote:

      Seljuk-Turks …
      Do you know you are criminal thieves…???
      Go and build your Turkish Temple …Not a Mosque …
      Real honest Sunni muslim Arabs will never do this …

      Calpha Omar bin Al Khatab refused to enter in 7th century
      Well known Church in Jerusalem …
      So his followers will not transfer to Mosque …
      Do you apply his principles…If you call your self Sunni Muslims…???
      ……………………………………..

      Dr. Portoian, I’m afraid you have much too rosy a view of Sunni Muslims. Right now, such Muslims are destroying churches in Egypt, massacring Christians in Iraq, Syria, and the Islamic State, and beheading Copts in Libya.

      This has nothing to do with Tartar genes, and everything to do with the foul creed of Islam.

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