“That’s not what we promote here,” said the imam. “Very friendly, nothing political, nothing extremist. . . . If they were doing it, they were doing it on the down low.”
What did you expect him to say? “Oh, yes, we put them up to it, kaffir”? “Yes, we all knew about what they were doing, and we all approved”?
It is no surprise at all that Imam Charles Aziz Bilal of Masjid Al-Hamdulillah would say these things. What is unfortunate is that the mainstream media takes these statements at face value, with no attempt to determine whether or not he is telling the truth.
“Bomb suspects Noelle Velentzas and Asia Siddiqui described as devout Muslims with no hint of extreme leanings,” by John Asbury, Alison Fox, and Zachary R. Dowdy, Newsday, April 2, 2015:
Those who saw Noelle Velentzas and Asia Siddiqui attending services at their masjid, or walking in their Queens neighborhood said the former roommates were devoted to Islam and family — but never showed interest in violent jihad, as authorities charge.
“They have been an upright family,” said Imam Charles Aziz Bilal of Masjid Al-Hamdulillah mosque on Sutphin Boulevard, speaking of Velentzas, her husband and daughter.
Both women attended the masjid and appeared to be upstanding members, he said.
“Very honest, very sincere, very dedicated family,” he said of Velentzas and her husband, Abu Bakr. “They’re family-oriented. They have children in the community, born in the mosque. Good religious people.”
The imam said he was surprised to hear the accusations. He got a phone call at 4 a.m. informing him of the charges against the women he knew as peaceful adherents to Islam.
“That’s not what we promote here,” he said, adding that extremism is not a component of his teachings.
The charges against the women include plotting to detonate a bomb, that they had been in contact with al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula and that they were inspired by the Islamic State group.
David Isaac, 64, said he was walking his dog at about 6:20 a.m. Thursday when he saw three black SUVs at Velentzas’ house. Isaac was surprised to hear about the accusations.
“A mother who took care of her daughter, normal,” he said. “Very friendly, nothing political, nothing extremist. . . . If they were doing it, they were doing it on the down low.”…
American says
It just further confirms that no Muslim can be trusted. Sudden Jihad Syndrome. Realistically, the mosque is indeed inciting its members to violence; hardly a surprise. But, of course, no one is doing anything about it. We need to start a movement to DEMAND that mosques be monitored, and then find a way to remove these people from our country and never let them back in..
mezcukor says
I agree with you but good luck under Obama. it was done before I think and then under the Muslim in the WH repelled.
PatnCats says
I sure agree, where is the IRS stalking excuses to remove someone’s tax exempt status? Here is a prime Aplus target for the IRS to investigate! Follow the money and the nijab clad little wanna be terrorists here. Get the IRS after this mosque here – recind their tax exempt status and say its a “training camp for terrorists” and therefore fully taxable. Guilt by association…or following footprints in the snow….to the correct concluison – the mosque is harboring terrorists. Poor sad little nijab on her sad little head. I suppose that is taken away in prison as it would hide identity. Awww. How sad is that?
gravenimage says
New York jihadi Muslimas were “devoted to Islam”
………………………………
They were indeed. As they said, they thought this bomb plot was “pleasing to Allah”.
More:
“That’s not what we promote here,” said the imam. “Very friendly, nothing political, nothing extremist. . . . If they were doing it, they were doing it on the down low.”…
David Isaac, 64, said he was walking his dog at about 6:20 a.m. Thursday when he saw three black SUVs at Velentzas’ house. Isaac was surprised to hear about the accusations.
“A mother who took care of her daughter, normal,” he said. “Very friendly, nothing political, nothing extremist. . . . If they were doing it, they were doing it on the down low.”…
………………………………
Is this a typo, or has this rote “my neighbor/Mosque attendee is a lovely person” become so standardized that they *both* used the phrase, “If they were doing it, they were doing it on the down low”?
Who knows?
What do we know about Imam Charles Aziz Bilal?
By 2011, he had been arrested 18 times since 1970, for such offenses as soliciting a prostitute, grand larceny, and attempting to bribe a public official.
http://gothamist.com/2011/08/25/islamic_leader_busted_in_prostituti.php
None of this has stopped Bilal from serving as a chaplain at NY’s Riker’s Island jail. Suicidal madness. By the way, the blogger who runs the above site is anything but an “Islamophobe”—in fact, he is a Muslim apologist.
And here’s Bilal, flogging (pun intended) a “peace rally”, also in 2011. “Peace” seems to primarily consist of denouncing “Islamophobia”, opposing Congressman Peter King’s hearings on violent Islam, demanding “jobs and ‘justice'”, demanding that US troops not oppose terrorism anywhere in the world.
http://muslimpeacecoalition.org/news/100-imams-endorse-april-9-rally
In other words, “peace” consists of enabling Islam and refusing to oppose violent Jihad.
So were these two pious Muslimahs “radicalized” at Masjid Al-Hamdulillah?
Hard to tell—but this is certainly not the straightforwardly “peaceful” Mosque the Imam would have us “filthy Infidels” believe…
Baucent says
Nice little bit of investigative work. Looks like Imam Charles (a convert to Islam?) needs to answer some more questions.
mortimer says
Charles Aziz Bilal…convicted conman. He certainly wouldn’t lie.
Moreover, if he doesn’t ‘promote’ jihad, can an ‘IMAM’ find all the references in the hadiths, Koran and Sharia law? You betcha. Does he know much more than he is letting on? You betcha.
Jay Boo says
Off Topic
moniker from Jay Boo to soon be Jay Airahs
CogitoErgoSum says
Jay, why not go all out and become Wal Airahs?
Jay Airahs says
I am not sure that I follow Cogito: Would that be as in Walmart?
Anyway as I mentioned to Joseph although I like Jay Boo just fine, it seems that when I Google ‘Jay Boo’ someone is already using that moniker. Some rapper guy who likes to cuss.
I wasn’t sure what to pick but Jay Airahs was the best I could come up with on short notice.
Jay Airahs says
@CogitoErgoSum
Wal Airahs
LOL
That is a good one
I don’t know how I missed that
Champ says
Jay Boo! …thank you for the heads-up, my friend 🙂
Jay Airahs says
You are welcome Champ
Joseph says
David Isaac, 64, said he was walking his dog at about 6:20 a.m. Thursday when he saw three black SUVs at Velentzas’ house. Isaac was surprised to hear about the accusations.
“A mother who took care of her daughter, normal,” he said. “Very friendly, nothing political, nothing extremist. . . . If they were doing it, they were doing it on the down low.”…
“That’s not what we promote here,” said the imam. “Very friendly, nothing political, nothing extremist. . . . If they were doing it, they were doing it on the down low.”…
NOTICE THAT TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING??
W.T.F.
Joseph says
@ gravenimage
SORRY, I read that and flew right down to the reply. But something stinks here.
pumbar says
Family oriented with a name like Abu Bakr? You’re having a laugh.
JamesonRocks says
“Very honest, very sincere, very dedicated family,” he said of Velentzas and her husband, Abu Bakr. “They’re family-oriented. They have children in the community, born in the mosque. Good religious people.”
Well, all that is needed after that is a few pressure cookers, etc…
Champ says
islam 101 to non-muslims …learn what *taqiyya* is all about!
Nimrod says
I always hoped that the Internet would make people smarter and more knowledgeable, and overall I think it has resulted in a net gain, but it hasn’t solved the main psychological problem people have: constant denial of anything that seems too difficult to deal with.
What is it going to take for the average person to realize that Islam is antithetical to modern pluralistic civilization? Apparently 9/11 wasn’t enough, so I’m guessing that it will take a nuclear bomb in a major city or something similarly “pleasing to Allah” before this particular psychological problem with western civilization is solved.
How much “pleasing of Allah” is going to be required before this insanity is cured?
Gary says
“Good religious people.”
You know – Having a form of Godliness…. but denying the power thereof……
From such turn away.
ECAW says
“devout Muslims with no hint of extreme leanings”
Not very devout then…
Lioness says
Yes, very devout. In Islam being devout means you have to do jihad at least once in your lifetime, just like going to Mecca.
Douglas Sydney Australia says
Many in the western world have lost the survival instinct.
Charli Main says
Just what part of, Muslimas are just worthless pieces of shit in Islam, don´t these devout Muslimas get ?????
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
This begs the question, what is the Arabic word for a male houris? There must be male houris to put into piles to sate the urges of the Moslimas, otherwise, what would motivate them? I may be projecting here, but it could not be that Moslimas are driven by the high ideals of Islam itself, given what Islam stands for, and that the women must get their cut of Jannat porno heaven too.
ECAW says
I think it’s true that there’s nothing at all in the Islamic scriptures about what women can expect in paradise. Presumably Allah didn’t think it worth his while to consider but I’ve heard there’s a tradition that they’ll get their husbands back – lucky girls.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Then the thing to do is to read the work feminists have done on the plight of women in Islam. I will start my studies with the writings of great feminists like Gloria Steinem. But there are hundreds of such experts, what with every college in the country having Women Studies programs, so the output on the subject Islam vs. Women subject will be endless.
In particular I will look for analysis and critical thought on what happened with Nasser’s state feminism instituted in Egypt in the 1950s. Wish me luck.
ECAW says
Good luck!
But I don’t think it will take you long.
Kepha says
Alarmed Pig Farmer., maybe the word you’re looking for is “catamite”.
Ramon says
One really has to be so low in intelligence to be attracted or become a believer of the Quran…Iread it and it is the worst piece of unintelligible literature, so much for its being the Arabic literary masterpiece…
Goreaditonline, and your head will spin trying to make sense of it…it is also very violent and pornographic…especially the RELIANCE OF THE TRAVELER, and
TREASURE OF THE WORKER….tHE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD…
How can 1.3 Billion people be duped, all at the same time…!
PatnCats says
You know, I got to agree with you as I also read the koran – about two years ago. I know Bible Scripture and also have read a lot of non-canonized gnostic literature. So the kooran blends and name drops from Scripture, messing up the Biblical stories to suite Moham’s scrambled brains, then toss in some Zoroasterianism, a tad from the Torah (scrambled of course) and Gospels. None of it accurately copied from the Scripture, mind you. AND add in some good old fashioned store stealing. In the Gospels: Remember Jesus riding a donkey colt into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday? So Mohamm takes this story and sets himself up in a GRANDER and BIGGER set – he gets to RIDE a WHITE DONKEY – with with a human head — and the DONKEY can FLY! To heaven! Top THAT!! So the angel Mohamm talks to is Gabriel – who is Scripture told Mary she would deliver the Son of God. So Mohamm has to steal the Angel Gabriel for his own warped story of ascending to heaven, but NOT just ONE heaven – 7 heavens – (as in gnostic literature and apogriphigrapha). Wow, the kooran is just one “TOP THIS!” bullshit story after another, all told by Mohammed to his young boy – rapt listeners – sitting around the campfire wide-eyed with wonder of stories of white flying jackasses, Hooris (perpetual virgins) in Paradise, WINE and good food. What a deal, what a deal – you can’t lose – live or die….and the men? They get the war booty – the loot, the money, the camels, the cargo, the women to rape as they please….and here we are 1,400 years later with the garbage. I know what you mean. Took me a week to read the damned thing – I took copious notes and then thought, “Who ever has a functioning brain couldn’t possible believe this drivel! More like a Charles Manson RANT!” But then the koran reads, “ALLAH IS THE GREAT DECEIVER!” Well, no shix there! 1.2 billion are deceived, or stupid, or have low intelligence, or will be killed if they don’t let on they don’t believe in this crap-ola. I’m really proud of us Kafirs – you know more and more people have read the kooran and it amazes me how knowledgable we all are. So the muslims start howling, “It’s not in Arabic! You MUST read it in Arabic!” So “Kill the Jews and Kill the Christians” magically changes to “Hug the Jews and Hug the Christians” in Arabic? Sure, and the beheadings are pure a slip of the knife…..we are wise to them AND we know their book for the garbage it is. The more we laugh at it, mock them, the angrier they get….and the more people know garbage for what it is and its not holy, its not something ””magical and inspirational”’ just dirvel of a madman.
mortimer says
Jihadists often ‘BLEND IN’
“A mother who took care of her daughter, normal,” he said. “Very friendly, nothing political, nothing extremist.”
SO HOW DO YOU RECOGNIZE A JIHADIST when they camouflage themselves?
Answer: Jihadists look like any Muslim.
Mirren10 says
Excellent comments from all, above.
I must say, though, this rather jumped out at me;
“Born in the mosque”
What, they have an obstetrics wing ? 🙂
Stand Fast in the Liberty says
“Very honest, very sincere, very dedicated family,” he said of Velentzas and her husband, Abu Bakr. “They’re family-oriented. They have children in the community, born in the mosque. Good religious people.”
Yes, honestly killing in the name of allah, sincerely killing in the name of allah, very dedicated to killing in the name of allah. Vicious murderers of innocent non-believers, that’s what being “Good religious people” means when you are on the subject of mohammedism.
Nimrod says
Yep, pretty funny how many people are ignorant of the fact that “pious” and “devout” imply totally different behaviors than they were expecting when it comes to Islam.
Islam is the enemy of civilization everywhere.
cat says
Another Siddique, is she related to Alfia Siddique?….Was she anywhere near the apartment building that recently exploded in NYC? Now there is another building in Indiana … Agree with comments from American, Jay Boo and Kufar…
Thank You Robert Spencer…..c
cat says
I think I will adjust my comment and only disagree with” American” that not trusting any Muslim is a little extreme however I understand about “taqiyya” would be always be a possibility and would always filter any comment and for the most part I would never allow them to make any national security decisions..with this knowledge. As I listen to people who govern this country I can easily see that many lack important knowledge about the enemy within or are complicit in the deceit. It truly is strange that the truth is the answer to our situation and it is so hard to explain we are not getting it.
Derek Beverly says
I wonder if she is related to Alfia Siddiqui…see my Power Point presentation below presented last fall to the California Association of State Auditors:
https://www.casa1.org/files/Fraud_Auditors_Presentation_2014.pptx
dalamtrash says
One of the women’s husband Abu Bakr have been photographed and captured on video with the black extremist flag – during the 2007, 2008 and 2012 Muslim Day rantings. http://urbaninfidel.blogspot.com/2015/04/abu-bakr-husband-of-queens-muslima.html
Seems like journalists these days can’t do their jobs in reporting?