When the supporters of the “Palestinian” jihad against Israel were running ads spreading falsehoods and blood libels against Israel, the MTA never considered a rule change. But criticize Hamas, and you’re out of bounds, buddy, in Bill de Blasio’s New York. And if they lose a First Amendment case fair and square, they’ll find another way to keep carrying water for their Leftist masters, and to prevent the truth about Hamas and Islamic antisemitism from getting out.
An update on this story. “MTA May Change Rule to Block Anti-Islam Ad,” Reuters, April 24, 2015:
(Reuters). Stung by a court ruling that would force it to run a controversial ad from an anti-Muslim group on its buses, New York’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority may adopt a new policy that could let it ban the ad after all.
In a letter submitted on Friday to U.S. District Judge John Koeltl in Manhattan, an MTA lawyer said the agency’s board plans on April 29 to vote on a proposal to adopt a new advertising policy that would transform MTA property into a “limited public forum,” enabling the agency to exclude “all advertisements of a political nature.”
The MTA believes such a policy would allow it to ban an ad from the American Freedom Defense Initiative, portraying a man wearing a scarf around his face, with a quotation “Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah” attributed to “Hamas MTV,” and below that, “That’s His Jihad. What’s yours?”
Koeltl had on Tuesday said the MTA’s refusal to run that ad violated the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, because the agency had not shown that the display could incite terrorism or imminent violence….
jihad3tracker says
Clear evidence of the huge backchannel hidden communication between Leftist de Blasio and Islamo Fascists.
marblenecltr says
Such opposition to the AFDI truths shows the great public need for them.
Renee says
Arghhh
Michael Copeland says
Thus will they move the goalposts.
duh_swami says
enabling the agency to exclude “all advertisements of a political nature.”
Is anti-jihad a political movement? Is kill them wherever you find them ‘political’? Is ‘support the civilized man and not the savage’, a political statement? I think in order to be a viable rule, the MTA needs to define in detail, what is political and what is not…Maybe a ‘show cause’ lawsuit is in order…again…Has there ever been violence over a political ad? how many and when?
Bezelel says
I think you’re on to something and AFDI should be able to sue for damages as well. Civil rights have been determined to have value.
Westman says
Does this mean no politican campaign signs on buses going into the 2016 elections? That would be a lot of MTA revenue lost just to keep Ms. Geller’s ads off the buses. How are they going to split hairs to get that revenue without also limiting the politicians?
It seems like any rules the MTA makes about what can be included in a political ad can be met by some improvisation in the AFDI signs unless they limit which organization can advertise – and that would cause lawsuits.
Tom Cherian Mullammootil says
Very simple change message to
SAY NO TO RACISM. SAY NO TO MUHAMMAD THE SLAVE OWNER.
Let us see what the racist left will come up with to ban that.
Peace,
Brown Skinned Immigrant
mortimer says
The Leftards don’t want anyone to criticize JIHAD…the war against European civilization.
katarzyna says
”Not found, error 404
The page[”Losing my religion?” by Zakaria Fellah] you are looking for no longer exists. Perhaps you can return back to the site’s homepage and see if you can find what you are looking for. Or, you can try finding it by using the search form below.”
Jihad Watch – Perhaps it is “limited public forum” only for non-Muslims under a banner of ”SAY NO TO RACISM”
“Perhaps it is true that we do not really exist until there is someone there to see us existing, we cannot properly speak until there is someone who can understand what we are saying in essence, we are not wholly alive until we are loved.”(Alain de Botton)
Westman says
katarzyna,
It is a public forum and everyone is welcome to participate. You see exactly what we see. I cannot find that former page for Zakaria Fellah, either. It may have been lost, or there may have been a threat against Mr. Fellah and it was removed.
Search engines like Google, Yahoo, etc, store pointers to data, even after the pages are gone, so I’m guessing that is what happened to you. You found a reference and clicked on it to go to the page – but there is no page so you got error 404, Not Found.
You could send an inquiry through the message box on the right to Mr. Spencer’s staff. They are very good about getting back to legitimate inquiries.
Anyway, welcome and keep coming back.
Westman says
katarzyna,
Love is a vanishing presence in today’s society, but most valued and wanted by everyone. You can be assured, regardless of what you are going through, that it will be available to anyone who can express it to others. Too many beautiful young people give up before it comes into their life, which it always will if one pushes out the dark thoughts and lives for today. Service to others is the best cure for the blues.
Moving from one society to another is perhaps the most difficult of all because we are without the support and love we need for a time. I think the tendency to stay with what we know is summed up well by some prose:
The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk–
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.
The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.
The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control–
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.
The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.
This was my father’s belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf–
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.
The Stranger – Rudyard Kipling
If you want to say something, I am listening.
katarzyna says
Westman,
I am sorry for the late reply.
Our foreign minister has said recently ”Better late than never”.
Thanks for your advice but it was not my aim to find out why the articles were removed.
As to the quote – I was looking for something with the word ‘perhaps’ at the beginning of the sentence.
I am truly thankful for ”The Stranger,” Canadian just like Zakaria Fellah.
It shows/describes what was wrong with the discussion under his two articles.
In my opinion some of us keep on failing to see that Muslims, especially someone like ZF are our allies in the fight against radical Islam.
As you noticed we an open dialogue.
Sometimes I ask myself: do some people on JW know any Muslims? maybe they only Muslim jihadists? maybe the education/teachers are to blame? Maybe something else?
I read that ‘A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit’.
I have just find out that ZF was brutally attacked in London 3 weeks ago. I do regret my comment. It was inappropriate.
Regards
gravenimage says
katarzyna wrote, replying to Westman:
In my opinion some of us keep on failing to see that Muslims, especially someone like ZF are our allies in the fight against radical Islam.
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Katarzyna, I’m not sure that someone who begins ranting that anyone who asks him a few tough questions about Islam is calling for the “genocide of Muslims” is actually much of an ally.
I am certainly sorry to hear to Zakaria Fellah was attacked in London. It sounds as though the motive was that he is not deemed sufficiently antisemitic:
http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/crime-court/lecturer_headbutted_and_knocked_unconscious_in_attack_in_belsize_park_1_4019698
duh_swami says
There is a difference between an comment and a featured article…One article by the taqiyya artist Fellah was bad…Two was terrible…JW is not about feature articles by taqiyya artists…We can go to looonwatch for that…
Westman says
I did see something worthwhile in the article particularly in the attitude change he expressed through living with the results of his father being murdered by militant Muslims and all the recent violent Jihadism.
It’s important to remember that there actually may be some who come to this site who are looking for a way into a freer life. We need to be more than just reverse jihadists against certain practices and teaching of Islam. Muslim beliefs or not, people are important and valuable.
I’m beginning to think that helping people to make the transition out of Islam would be more productive at the present time.
I watched Pamella’s talk at Brooklyn College and there were students going along with the chaos who were obviously uncomfortable but felt thet must participate or feel the wrath of the instigators. How will they get out?W
If we cannot express a willingness for a civil dialogue then nothing will change until there is war.
gravenimage says
Westman wrote:
If we cannot express a willingness for a civil dialogue then nothing will change until there is war.
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I believe the problem was a *lack* of civil dialogue, Westman.
Longtime poster Mirren10 asked Fellah a few sharp questions about his view of Islam itself, and he became unhinged. She merely pointed out the violence of Islam, and he falsely accused her of seeking the genocide of Muslims.
This is, of course, something Robert Spencer and other Anti-Jihadists face all the time: they point out the violence of Islam, and are accused of fomenting violence themselves.
I believe that was one of the bogus arguments against letting AFDI run the bus ads.
Of course, I don’t know for certain that this is the reason that JW removed the Zakaria Fellah stories, but that would be my guess.
zakaria Fellah says
That’s exactly the point! Thank you for your understanding. My articles were removed by Mr. Spencer. It was his decision. But I also told him I will not be writing for his JW because most of the readers would not accept anything Muslim. Thanks again.
Robert Spencer says
Indeed, I removed your articles. Indeed, it was my decision. It was the right decision. I removed them because you told me you didn’t want the association with this site’s “racism” and “bigotry.” Those are asinine and libelous charges used by jihad enablers to smear my work. I was appalled to see them from you. I liked your articles but should never have run them, I didn’t know you would stoop so low.
gravenimage says
Zakaria Fellah wrote:
But I also told him I will not be writing for his JW because most of the readers would not accept anything Muslim.
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Mr. Fellah, I’m afraid this is quite disingenuous. Mirren10 did not reject your article because it was written by a Muslim, nor did I. She asked you some questions about your view of Islam itself, and you responded with nothing but calumny, falsely accusing her of calling for genocide.
That being said, my condolences on your attack—I hope you are recovering. From the description in the article I linked to above, it sounds as though the assailant was one of your more orthodox coreligionists.
katarzyna says
duh_swami,
If Zakaria Fellah is a takiya artist, then Robert Spencer is a Muslim jihadi.
Who knows maybe a new spiritual leader of Christian taliban in Ukraine.
Apology for the late reply.
gravenimage says
katarzyna wrote:
Jihad Watch – Perhaps it is “limited public forum” only for non-Muslims under a banner of ”SAY NO TO RACISM”
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This is ridiculous—s pointed out so often, Islam is *not* a race.
Moreover, Jihad Watch is Robert Spencer’s personal site. He is not a public forum as is NYC transit.
This would be like saying you are not in favor of free speech if you balk at having the Taliban use your living room for plotting Jihad.
katarzyna says
“Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah” – what is it? expression of love?
The site is public forum.
I do apologise for the late reply. Please understand Poland is under attack. The wolves are coming.
gravenimage says
“Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah” – what is it? expression of love?
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Of course not—it is an expression of hate. And Poland is under threat from Jihad, and other places even more so.
Zakaria Fellah says
Hello: My articles were removed by Mr. Spencer himself. They are not “politically correct” for his audience.
I thank you for your support! And live Poland!
Robert Spencer says
You’re lying, of course. I removed them because you told me that you did not want to be associated with this site. I obliged you.
zakaria Fellah says
You can find my article on the website of American Thinker. They are not as bigots like this JW. It’s obvious that most readers of this website are lunatics who see any Muslim as a dangerous killer. They don’t care about the blood of Muslims-such as my father’s- who was a victim of Islamic fanaticism.
Thank you Katarszyna for your very sensitive comments. Djinkuye barzo!
Robert Spencer says
You’re a vicious libel artist.
gravenimage says
Zakaria Fellah wrote, re Jihad Watch posters:
They don’t care about the blood of Muslims-such as my father’s- who was a victim of Islamic fanaticism.
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This simply isn’t true. Many commenters expressed their heartfelt condolences over you and your family’s terrible loss, including myself.
It is only when some suggested that it might have been the tenets of Islam itself that led to this poor man’s murder that you turned ugly.
The fact is that Robert Spencer frequently posts stories about Muslims themselves being the victims of Jihad violence. One need only to glance at the archives to see that this is so.
pongidae rex says
Terrorism against sheep works. The USA is not what it once was. The USA is now composed primarily of sheep terrified of dong, saying or thinking anything that is not politically correct or controversial. Political suicide is politically correct. Standing up to those who seek to destroy everything we stand for is controversial.
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duh_swami says
Speak for yourself only, if you are an American…if you’re not…stuff it…
Avenger says
pongidae
I agree with your assessment of Americans or any other Western population. This country has the best soldiers and military on earth but at least 80% of its men, that are of military age, are lazy, overweight, self indulgent cowards. If we relied on the draft to fill the ranks of the military with present day Americans, two thirds wouldn’t be able to handle the psychological or physical requirements to make them battle worthy.
I mainly hold our school systems at fault, churning out either feminized or gangster type male graduates.
The messages that Pam Geller wants to run on these buses will go right over the heads of most Americans. They have more important things filling their minds
marblenecltr says
You and Pam Geller are correct, but the United States is being dumbed down, castrated, and made feeble by people “who hate our freedom.” The would-be tyrants over humanity want to control, “Maintain the Human Domain”, and work in every way to destroy Judeo-Christian values, and, of course, Jews and Christians. Those in power are so lacking survival instincts that they blame the victims and arm and welcome the enemy even as the savages in mind and spirit are in the process of killing the hospitable.
Avenger says
Marblenecltr, you take my points a step farther and I have to agree that this could be the case. By using Muslims as pawns to vanquish free nations this would rid the world of any freedom as we know it but how in turn would this “cabal” of power brokers control their Muslim mercenaries after the collapse?
I think it’s simple greed and money that has allowed Islam to run amuck world wide. Since the Crusades, the West has never gone on the offensive against Islam to protect its sovereignty or culture. Look how non Muslim nations support and fund Pakistan who threatens India, the oldest and most peaceful democracy on earth, with nuclear annihilation. Our elected politicians both Republicans and Democrats are bought and sold with ME money. Case in point, the Clintons receiving millions from their Saudi masters and I bet if they dig into the Bush family it would even be more scandalous.
Add political correctness into schooling our children, unfettered muslim immigration and lack of nationalism, then I see the U.S. collapsing like a house of cards.
Marblenecltr says
My error, “Maintain the Human Domain” is incorrect. The motto for the upcoming Jade Helm 15 action is really “Master the Human Domain.” That should make us all feel safer.
gravenimage says
Avenger wrote:
Since the Crusades, the West has never gone on the offensive against Islam to protect its sovereignty or culture.
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Actually, the West has stood up many times since then, Avenger. The Battle of Lepanto took place after the Crusades, as did the defense at the gates of Vienna, which marked the turning point where Islam no longer gained ground on the West.
Moreover, the West *regained* much territory seized by the Muslim hordes over the centuries—in Spain, and Portugal, and Sicily, and Greece, and the Balkans, and Israel.
And in the early 19th century, America, Britain, and France made the Mediterranean Sea fully safe for shipping again, which had not been the case for a thousand years. Before this, Muslim pirates regularly enslaved Western sailors.
The idea that the West has not defended our values and fought back against Islam since the Crusades is not the case—the destructive “political correctness” of today notwithstanding.
Even today, we are incapable of defending ourselves—a coalition of international maritime nations—mostly Western—have almost entirely put a stop to Muslim piracy in the Horn of Africa.
I do believe that we can regain the confidence in our civilized culture that so many appear to have lost.
Avenger says
@Graven Image
GI, the examples you bring forth of Western offensive engagements, I contend, are no more than retaking or defending properties already owned.
The naval battle at Lepanto was a defensive action, keeping Ottoman Turks from invading the island of Cyprus, which at the time was under Venetian control.
In the freeing of the Balkan nations, first rebelling against and then throwing out the Turks was, I believe, not an offensive action but more akin to a slave revolt.
The reconquering of Spain, again the indigenous majority Christians going to war with the occuping Moors.
In Austria, a handful of East European nations broke the Turkish siege of Vienna, again more of a spoiling action.
What I was implying as “offensive” would be a Western force invading a majority Muslim nation and annexing as their own. A few Byzantine emperors did this in the Middle East which they then controlled for about two centuries, the Russians annexing Muslim Crimea and keeping to this day. General Jack Pershing pacifying the Moros in the Philippines, which I believe is a real “American” offensive.
gravenimage says
Hi Avenger, thanks for your reply.
I suppose you could characterize *all* Infidel actions re Islam as defensive or reactive—including the Crusades—since *all* of that land was originally Christian invaded by the Muslim hordes.
Western powers did hold some majority-Muslim lands during the 19th and early 20th centuries, such as France’s position in Algeria, and Britain’s in the Levant, Mesopotamia, and the sub-Continent. Not coincidentally, this coincided with the period where Islam generally presented the *least* threat to the West.
Avenger says
@Graven Image
Hello again GI. I believe there is a huge difference comparing the Crusades to any other armed conflict with Islam. Once various European powers ( Crusaders ) vanquished a Muslim land, they actually began to settle the area with Christian farmers, tradesman, and shop owners. The Europeans started building ships for trade and other light industries, even employing Muslims as a paid labor force.
Muslims claim, when they occupied Spain, that they lived in harmony with the Christians and Jews for hundreds of years, of course 99% of the people on this website know that’s a lie, equal to the Turks denying their own Armenian and Greek genocides.
Muslims in the occupied Crusader zones actually preferred life under Christians more then life under their past Islamic overlords. We see this same behavior even today, Muslims preferring to live in Western societies and not their own. I can only hope this “colonization” of free societies will eventually stop.
It could also be said that Christians are interlopers wherever they now reside, the big difference is Christianity wasn’t spred by death and carnage ( for the most part ), Islam however, has expanded 100% by war, rape, murder and genocide.
I’ll cede all lands that were Arab, at the time of muhammad, to be Islamic. Other Muslim lands of conquest like Egypt, Turkey, Albania, Bosnia etc. that were almost 100% Christian, should be brought back under Judaeo-Christian control.
Ricky Black says
1- When was Palestine founded and by whom?
2- What were its borders?
3- What was its capital?
4- What were its major cities?
5- What constituted the basis of its economy?
6- What was its form of government?
7- Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8- Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
9- What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
10- What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
11- What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese Yuan on that date
Plutarchus7 says
FREE PALESTINE NOW!
Free it from Hamas, from Abbas, from Islamic and Arab supremacism, from the Middle Ages, ignorance and superstition, from racism, cultural imperialism and religious intolerance. In a word, free Palestine from Palestinianism. In no other way can there be a peaceful resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.
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gravenimage says
NYC MTA may change rules to block AFDI ad criticizing Hamas
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That we have a public transit agency working to protect genocidal antisemites in a heavily Jewish area is one of the profound perversities of our time. Of course, this is hardly uncommon, and those responsible are so enmired in “political correctness” that I doubt that they even realize that this is what they are doing. It doesn’t make them any less destructive, though.
More:
In a letter submitted on Friday to U.S. District Judge John Koeltl in Manhattan, an MTA lawyer said the agency’s board plans on April 29 to vote on a proposal to adopt a new advertising policy that would transform MTA property into a “limited public forum,” enabling the agency to exclude “all advertisements of a political nature.”
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Uh…right. Does *anyone* here believe that this new policy would actually result in the banning of all political ads? Of course not.
It may not be quite as evil in intent, but otherwise this is like one of those laws in Dar-al-Islam that bars “insult to religions” on paper, but just results in shutting down criticism of Islam in practice.
More:
The MTA believes such a policy would allow it to ban an ad from the American Freedom Defense Initiative, portraying a man wearing a scarf around his face, with a quotation “Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah” attributed to “Hamas MTV,” and below that, “That’s His Jihad. What’s yours?”
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Notice the phrasing: couldn’t Reuters confirm that this quote is genuine? Of course they could, but using “attributed” casts doubt on its veracity without actually accusing AFDI of lying, as does the ludicrous use of quotes around “Hamas MTV”.
More:
Koeltl had on Tuesday said the MTA’s refusal to run that ad violated the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, because the agency had not shown that the display could incite terrorism or imminent violence….
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How often do we see *this* neat little turn around? Pointing out the violence of others is not inciting violence oneself.