Muhammad said: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence. This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-`ashriyyah, Al-Ja`fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.” There is only disagreement over whether the law applies only to men, or to women also – some authorities hold that apostate women should not be killed, but only imprisoned in their houses until death.
Clearly some Muslims believe this death penalty extends t0 those who facilitate the conversion as well as to the convert.
“3 family members charged in Texas ‘honor killing’ of Iranian activist,” CBS News, April 23, 2015 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
HOUSTON – Investigators say that an Iranian activist was gunned down by Jordanian immigrants in 2012 because they believed she helped convert their Muslim daughter to Christianity, reports CBS affiliate KHOU.
Gelareh Bagherzadeh, a 30-year-old researcher at MD Anderson, was shot to death outside her parents home in the Galleria area.
Ali Irsan, 57, is charged with capital murder in the case. His wife, Shmou Ali Alrawabdeh, and their 21-year-old son, Nasim, are charged with murder. Irsan is also reportedly accused of killing Coty Beavers, his daughter’s husband, 10 months after Bagherzadeh was shot to death. Coty Beavers was the twin brother of Bagherzadeh’s boyfriend.
The station reports that Bagherzadeh was best friends with Ali Irsan’s daughter and he blamed her when the daughter left home and married a Christian, according to investigators.
“Nesreen Irsan would not succumb to her father’s complete domination and rule of her. And she left his home without his permission and went into hiding,” said Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson.
“These two murders are linked by the belief on the defendant’s part that his honor as a father and a Muslim has been violated by his daughter, who defied his rule and married a Christian man,” said Anderson.
The Irsan’s daughter Nadia is charged with stalking her sister while trying to find out where she and Beavers were living.
Montgomery County investigators have reopened the 1999 shooting of another of Irsan’s son-in-laws, reports the station. According to his death certificate, Amjad Alidam was shot and killed by Irsan but the case was ruled self-defense.
But Irsan’s daughter and Alidam’s wife, Nesreen, later told police the shooting was staged.
According to a search warrant obtained by KHOU, Nesreen Irsan told investigators that her father lured Alidam to the family’s home and then shot Alidam with a shotgun.
Nesreen Irsan said her father then fired a pistol into the wall and placed the gun near Alidam’s body to make it appear that he threatened and fired at Irsan first, the station reports….
Oceanside says
Deportation for all Muslims. It is the only answer. Short of that, we as a nation continue to deal with this cult of death.
And for those who think that’s harsh, it’s not nearly as harsh as beheading or stoning.
Jay Airahs says
Deportation for all Muslims is not realistic.
REVEAL the fragility of Islamic ‘faith’
Muslims worship nothing but vanity.
The fact that insecure Muslims would feel a need to do this and that Muhammad was such a buffoon phony prophet as to instruct such a thing shouts volumes about Islam’s pathetic excuse for existence when fully exposed to even the faintest light of day.
abad says
It’s realistic if we get the correct president after Obama…….
voegelinian says
LOL @ “reveal the fragility of Islam”
wow
Robert A says
Agreed. A laughable proposition at best. They have no desire or interest in seeing the fundamental flaws of their religion illustrated or otherwise exposed. It’s basic tenets enable them to engage in the most base of all behaviors, murder, rape, and pedophilia, without censure or condemnation. Add to that a large dose of self justified supremacy and you get the very situation in which we find ourselves. A small but hypermilitant minorty bent on exterminating the majority by any means necessary.
Benedict says
Rightly said. Law makers need to make laws to deport people who commit crimes against American citizens and against the American nation.
Daniel Moshe Johnson says
I agree with you 100%, this is what I’m behind in Canada, the US is more complex, the Saudis own much of the US ports, government buildings etc….
But, you are right on.
Good Day
Shane says
First stop importing these backward, violent people. There is no reason to accept immigrants from most Muslim countries. We have all the South Americans we can handle now.
mortimer says
Every Muslim is authorized by Sharia law to be a vigilante. Every single one.
Jay Airahs says
Every Muslim is not ‘authorized’ by a buffoon’s self-serving rants.
Every single one
Cicero says
Yes. Every ‘ Muslm IS authorised by Sharia Law to take the law into their own hands when they feel Mohammed,the Koran or Islam is insulted.
That is why in Israel we have so many individual Muslims carrying out knife,automobile attacks on Israelis,
that is why we have had so many individual shootings in USA by Muslim converts.
That is why Lee Rigby was beheaded because the nigerianconverts to Islam believed the Koran instructed them to commit the dastardly murder in the UK.
That is why inPalistan individuals both on Muslimand Muslim are torn lfrom limb to
Iimb by Muslim mobs foaming ay the mouth because they feels their muslim aensitivities have been offended by some small innocent word or act.As we go about out daily business all of us non- muslims are vulnerable to Islamic lone wolf attacks
Jay Airahs says
One distinction.
But, it all begins on a false premise.
Muslims (CLAIM) authority based on the rants of Muhammad.
Muhammad, the man with absolutely no honor (CLAIMED) to be a prophet.
Muhammad — Islam’s nastiest sick JOKE.
Jay Airahs says
Sharia law and the Qur’an is great for use as: — KITTY LITTER
t. says
“Every Muslim is authorized by Sharia law to be a vigilante. Every single one.”
That’s exactly it, 1000 000%! Unfortunately, very few people in the west know about this fact.
Mortimer, your deep knowledge about Islam never ceases to amaze me.
xxxChurch100 says
Dear T , indeed Moritmer is very knowledgeable , you may also find ” Clare Lopez talks to Q society in Sydney 2014 ” on Utube helpful information if you haven’t seen it .
Regards
voegelinian says
A bit too deep, perhaps.
1)
mortimer says
September 18, 2014 at 4:21 pm
Nonsense. Most Muslims are much nicer and more moral than Mohammed. They believe theoretically, but most do not practice all the things required by Islam. Perhaps 85% of Muslims are non-practicing ‘hypocrites’. Only 15% are observant.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/muslims-protest-against-australia-terror-raids-there-is-anger-in-the-community-we-have-been-victimised-for-years-and-years/comment-page-1#comment-1121630
[and scroll down from that to see other JWers objecting to that]
2)
mortimer says
September 22, 2014 at 12:22 pm
You’re wrong. There are ‘moderate’ Muslims, but they are somewhat confused about what Islam is…and they make up their own delusional, more tolerant version of ‘peaceful Islam’. Wahhabism is ‘real Islam’. Foundational Islam (Salafism) is real Islam.
There is no mechanism to create ‘moderate Islam’, but the ‘moderate Muslims’ simply ignore it. They do exist, but their beliefs have no basis.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/in-wake-of-counter-terror-raids-islamic-council-of-western-australia-plans-hotline-so-muslims-can-report-islamophobia/comment-page-1#comment-1123522
3)
mortimer says
January 9, 2015 at 1:18 pm
You’re dreaming. We need free speech so we can deprogram them [Muslims] from their delusion. Remember, Germany was successfully deprogrammed. I predict some presently Muslim countries will outlaw Islam in future.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/at-least-four-hostages-killed-at-paris-kosher-supermarket-besieged-by-islamic-jihadist/comment-page-1#comment-1175832
More recently, mortimer seems to have become more robustly anti-Islam, even anti-Muslim; for example:
mortimer says
March 16, 2015 at 1:39 am
More and more, I believe Muslims must be segregated permanently from civilized people. They are too primitive, irrational and angry to be allowed near us and our dear families.
Reply
As I wrote in response to that at the time:
voegelinian says
March 16, 2015 at 3:51 pm
Before I can believe and trust mortimer, he has some ‘splainin’ to do — viz., how he comports such a remark as he makes above with those he has made previously…
I never got that ‘splainin’…
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“I never got that ‘splainin’…”
Pot, meet kettle.
terry says
“Every Muslim is authorized by Sharia law to be a vigilante. Every single one.”
That’s exactly it, 1000 000%! Unfortunately, Very few people in the west know about this very significant fact.
Mortimer, your deep knowledge about Islam never ceases to amaze me!
Jay Airahs says
You all are more than welcome to offer your praise at this important overlooked detail.
But I find your tone to be very disturbing.
It sounds almost reverential toward Islamic law.
If you wish to sound scholarly fine.
But you are clearly deficient when you neglect to define the (authority) as a false authority.
Muslims (CLAIM) authority based on the rants of Muhammad.
Sharia has no authority.
Sharia has no true accountability.
Sharia is merely an excuse.
Nothing more.
Those who fail to make this distinction are like scholarly peacocks merely flaunting their plumage.
abad says
That’s exactly what my Islam-convert professor at UA told his class one day (while working on my degree in Near Eastern Studies).
Yep.
Myxlplik says
Make no mistake about it, Armenian style genocides will happen soon enough in the west, due to the importation of this ideology if our PC establishment has their way.
Jay Airahs says
Make no mistake
Bitch Slap Muhammad five times a day and Islam will slither away.
Myxlplik says
It’s true, after a lot of research on this topic, I discovered that this approach does have some historical merit. After the reconquista in Spain it was ridicule, which broke the Islamic yolk as much as the sword.
John says
Many in the US are waking up, getting armed, and loading up on ammunition. Fathers are teaching their kids how to handle guns and it’s become a family event. Husbands are buying their wives 380s etc. and teaching them how to use it. At some point the government may try to step in but they know they really do not want to go there. Arms sales have exploded across this country. These Muslims better be carrying more than a knife if they intend harm, because it’s just a question of time before they pull it out the wrong person. People are fed up with the government under Obama currying their favor and importing them into this country to the tune of 100,000 per year. They and those they radicalize are going to have a war on their hands and this government will not be able to stop it once the fuse is lit. Americans are doing this because they are tired of losing their country to an administration that keeps trying to take it away from those who made it great.
Don McKellar says
Geez, now they aren’t going to be able to make it to the Muhammad Cartoon exhibit!
Bezelel says
And this happened in Texas.
gravenimage says
Yes—that was just what I was thinking, Bezezel.
But this has happened before. Remember the savage “Honor Killings” a few years ago of teens Amina and Sara Said by their cab-driving father, Yasser? They were murdered for daring to have Infidel boyfriends.
Alex says
Hey I didn’t know about Amina and Sara (RIP). Such a horrible story.
Well there’s something I don’t understand about these strict muslim parents– they knew about the Western lifestyle here, and if they were smart, they would have known that their kids would become Westernized.
I mean how are you going to live in Dallas but act like you live in Mecca? Doesn’t make sense. I feel bad for children raised in such families here. Hopefully they leave IsIam.
RonaldB says
I live in Dallas, and I have seen a Muslim father with an 8 or 9 year old daughter with her head covered. These people could or should just as well be back in Yemen or Morocco or wherever they’re from.
Alex says
Wow Ronald, that is shocking! I can’t believe they would do that to a little girl.
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam Graven,
Graven – “this has happened before”….
Why drag what has happened in the past … teens Amina and Sara Said …and father Yasser?
What happened to those girls was very very sad indeed…and poor Yasser is also paying the price for that.
Of course he was pretty thick…thinking that he could keep and raise the girls as muslimas all those dark years ago in America.
He entered America after reading the translated poem at the bottom of statue of liberty …..like “send me your people…and I mother of America will nature and protect them”…. this fired his imagination …he saw her as a representation of the mother of Islam ….Khajidha …making Muhammad SAW proud ..being the very 1st convert to Islam.
People…. imagine that… I mean the privilege of being in the right place at the right time…truly you are blessed …and indeed chosen (as Aiesha was later on).
He read about the right to practice your own religion there too…so he felt comfortable to go to America…he tried his best to integrate with the kuffar…over time getting his own taxi …by working harder than kuffar.
Getting rest here and there …procreating when ever… on those silly soft American beds ..nevertheless he was given the girls (I think he would have preferred boys so they could buy into his taxi business…well you know how it is).
Now he had to work even harder to raise the girls with pride…but he got little to time and expected the mother to raise the girls in the traditional manner …but she found it hard …what with peer influences by kuffar at school.
Folks …many of my friends say that it is the transition from junior school to senior school where the children tend to go out of control …your girls are let loose into the full horror of kuffar-ism..in it’s naked glory of materialism, glue sniffing, boys , lack of discipline and above ensuring that all are egged on to forget about Allah SWT.
The mother of Amina et al *hid* this horror from Yasser..presenting him with an all is OK picture…and that was wrong. It really was all the mother’s fault.
I believe in the end Islam became a byword for the girls …preferring kuffar boys to Allah SWT …which was hard for him to take. Really the solution would have been for him to send the girls to a boarding school madrassa back in his home country so they could reconnect to their roots…instead he acted like a devil …(but that was when the girls started to answer back)…a definite no no …and his actions were totally and utterly wrong …, out of character , his friends said he was a normal and sweet father …he is now paying the price for that.
Still you have to feel for Yasser…poor man …he was lashing out at the girls…when infact kuffarism had overwhelmed the girls and the weak mother hid their gross indecencies.
I don’t know whether they underwent the fgm scratch as babies …but I suspect not.
Graven I think we need to move on…it would be appreciated if you did not mention these twins again in a future posting.
More Later ….
Rezali
Linde Barrera says
To Rezali Mehil- It is soooo pathetic the way you blame the girls’ mother and all of us non- Muslims for the evil deeds of the so called father. I hope he rots away in jail slowly, losing his teeth, his eyesight and his mind so that he has dementia. And just so you know, I am so thankful that my God is not Allah. I am a Christian lady and I will never convert to Islam or anything else. Like I told you before, “Here I am baby, come get me.” You do not intimidate me with your “take” on why things happened the way they did. And you should admit that Islam incites and invites violence and evil, through no fault of anyone else but it’s own demonically inspired doctrine. Yet I have nothing against any person, because ai am a person. It is Islam I hate.
abad says
You could not be more wrong, Rezali.
Muslims who refuse to assimilate into America should stay in their home countries.
Yasser refused to assimilate and become American, and his refusal cost the lives of his daughters.
In the United States of America, you learn to obey the laws of the land first and foremost. Muslims are incapable of putting the Constitution above the Quran.
And I do not mind saying the Quran is in direct opposition to everything our Constitution stands for.
Jack Diamond says
R.M. Graven will righteously kick your witch’s ass. You truly are something beneath contempt, remarkably sinister. Slither away and begone, just as the serpent crawls back in its hole.
CGW says
Hey “Reza Ali” –
I’m so glad that I gave your IP address to ALL the appropriate governmental authorities (I’m sure you know what I mean by that) when I did.
You might want to discuss sensitive issues with family members – and especially visitors – by writing messages on slips of paper . . . you never know who might be listening!
And when you get that creepy-crawly feeling on the back of your neck while out in public, as though you’re being followed/watched, just wear a big smile for the surveillance footage. So many of those other jihadi photos are so often unflattering, don’t you think?.
Don’t worry, though. If you’re doing nothing wrong (aside from making a complete ass of yourself on internet discussion boards) that thick file being assembled by and shared amongst governmental agencies *should* remain relatively private – unless Mossad decides to act, then all bets are off. They might be tempted to go the tabloid route if you’re just a blowhard and not a bona fide threat, just to “name and shame”. Tisk, tsik – what WILL the neighbors say? No one will want to associate with you or your family for fear of being investigated themselves. Oh well, there’s always “honor suicide” when you need a way out.
Do keep us here at JW abreast of any intrigue that you can discern from your vantage point. It’ll be fun figuring out who’s handling what aspect of the matter! (You might want to start using the bathroom with the lights off – just a word of advice.)
Ciao!
CGW
Linde Barrera says
To CGW- your comment to Rezali Mehil was hysterical! Thank you. I do not know the gender of this person, but I will respectfully guess that Rezali is a male of the human species. I have twice posted to him/her that I will not be intimidated by any Islamist and I wrote “Here I am baby, come get me.” I have not received any response from Rezali Mehil to date. Maybe because I am a retired NYC teacher, 64, and a Christian lady? It is hard for me to comprehend how any human can defend the doctrine of Islam, and I am so grateful for Jihad Watch for sending out the truth. Take care CGW.
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam CGW,
Do you mind if I call you CGW…or do you prefer kuffar!!!!
What is the matter sunshine?…not getting out enough!!! Are you friends with Jack….because that is what you have about me….
You need to know that the labour leader would have the police round to you..arresting *you* for islamophobia and racism… for trying to frighten my right to comment …freedom of expression…. you lowlife wimp.
when and if I break the law …I’ll let you know…otherwise …keep linde tosser laughing…that pretend christian who (like champ) says she is a christian …but refuses to turn the other cheek to be slapped.
more Later ….
Rezali
Linde Barrera says
To Rezali Mehil- Finally you acknowledge me in a post to CGW! Rezali, I have no idea who you are, but I have to tell you respectfully, that some of the sentences and thoughts you have posted on Jihad Watch do not make sense to me. I bet they don’t make sense to at least a few other subscribers here as well. I feel in my gut that you are a very sad person, and there’s an old saying: “Misery loves company”. As for your assessment of me being “a pretend Christian” who “doesnt want to get her cheek slapped”, you are free to think what you like, even if your opinion of me is unflattering, because every human has the right to his/her own opinion. I don’t deprive anyone their opinion. But if I seem a bit bold to you, in my Christian attitude, it is because my Christian faith preaches this boldness. From 2 Timothy 1:7 “For God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” And in Christianity, unlike in Islam, where one person can convert another to Islam, no person can convert another to Jesus Christ because that is the work of the Holy Ghost, also called the Holy Spirit. I am not trying to convert you, but am trying to give you a civilized explanation as to why I operate the way I do, and text the way I do. And feel free to express yourself to me, but please try to be more clarifying. Thank you.
Champ says
CGW, that was awesome!! …yes funny, but also true; since ‘rezali’ is being watched.
Champ says
LInde Barrera, great responses to ‘rezali mehil’!! I share your heart and thoughts to a T regarding *that* person. Take care, dear sister!!
CGW says
Reza Ali,
You can call me Crusader for short.
I see I struck a nerve there, eh “sunshine”?
I have ZERO need to fear arrest, as I live in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, where we are perfectly, utterly free to describe the vile, evil, despicable, disgusting cult of islam in any way we see fit . . .It’s that thing called the First Amendment that only WE are privileged to have, and it is what will ultimately lead to the annihilation of islam. That ball has started rolling, and it cannot be stopped. In fact, it’s picking up speed, as more and more people are being made aware of the Truth, and yes, it SHALL set them free.
A “lowlife wimp”? Ad Hominems,Reza, really? Is that the best you can do? Is that all you’ve got? That’s the recourse of the intellectually stunted – or didn’t you know?
We kuffar like to play fair, so I just thought a warning was in order. Oh, but I hurt those musloid feewings – boo hoo! Why is it that muslims are so hyper-sensitive, do you think? Why are they so shattered by criticism and ridicule? Why are they such girly-men? Why do they have no self-control like civilized people but rant and rage instead, like primitive savages? I’m sure you’re aware of the connection between all that and deep-seated feelings of inferiority, inadequacy, weakness and powerlessness. I guess it does make sense after all.
Ciao!
CGW
RonaldB says
“And this happened in Texas.”
The ONLY consolation about it’s occurring in Texas is it sends a warning for every Muslim wanting to get out of the vile religion. It is legal to get a concealed handgun permit in Texas. Get one! Then, any family member lurking around should be considered as an immediate threat to bodily harm or death.
It’s not so easy for a gang of cowardly Muslim men to kill a single woman when she is armed and ready.
These people are truly beneath contempt.
Bezelel says
RonaldB, It is also legal to leave islam in this country. Actually it should be prerequisite to the assimilation process.
RonaldB says
” it should be prerequisite to the assimilation process.”
Well, you’ve got your work cut out for you. The US Refugee Resettlement Program is bringing tens of thousands of Muslim “refugees” to the US each year, in collaboration with the UN.
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Refugee_Resettlement_Hijra.pdf
Have fun.
Bezelel says
I believe that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That is why the immigration process is supposed to have regulations. Supposed to have. The battle line is the Constitution and so far it is still legal to leave a death cult. If they want to.
Bezelel says
I believe that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That is why the immigration process is supposed to have regulations. Supposed to have. The battle line is the Constitution and so far it is still legal to leave a death cult. If they want to.I’m not very optimistic about them leaving it but the integrity of the Constitution is what is at stake.
Dave J says
Islamism should be declared a mental disease: Dimwit narcissism, with shadings of sadism and delusions of Supremacy. Hostile and dangerous people with no interest in a wider community and who are committed to your elimination at all costs.
Maybe it could be treated under Obamacare – once psychedelics are legalized there is that chance.
Jay Airahs says
Islam is so flawed that it needs to claim relevance through violence.
Please help bring our daddy home children plead:
Christian pastor Saeed Abedini held in Iran.
abad says
It’s an idea – getting the Muslims drugged up so that they’re zombies may be an improvement over their present mental state
RG says
Believe it or not, a while back when confronted by two women wearing black islamic garbage sacks while shopping, I decided to openly and LOUDLY sing the children’s Sunday School song, ‘Jesus loves me’. For what it’s worth, I hope I embarrassed them. I know for sure, the other people who heard me, had no doubt about what I was attempting to do! I’m not advocating ignorant behavior, just trying to expose it! Some might call me a ‘fool for Christ’!
Keith says
In the UK you would have been arrested for a Religously motivated hate crime. Even singing the theme tune to Peppa Pig to keep your child quiet on the bus and not annoy the other passengers is a hate crime against muslims.
John says
That is so ridiculous it’s hard to believe. The leaders in the UK who support this are fools.
Brook says
If you had a big enough mosque down there, they would be demanding this man be released from jail without trial.
Timothius says
Better a fool for Christ than hell bound for muddamit!
Champ says
True, Timothius!
gravenimage says
I’m afraid Houston has *lots* of Mosques, Brook.
Houston has the largest population of Mohammedans in the state—over 60,000 in 2000, and probably many more now. There are over forty Mosques now, including the huge Al-Noor Mosque, and the downtown Dawa Center, which took over the beautiful landmark Bank of Houston building.
As recently as the 1970s, Houston had just one Mosque, a 3-bedroom home. How quickly things have changed…
Mirren10 says
”As recently as the 1970s, Houston had just one Mosque, a 3-bedroom home. How quickly things have changed…”
Yes, graven, and not just in the US, as of course you know.
Last night we had a dinner party, and we were talking about islam, and its horrific inroads into the UK. One of my guests said, ”you know, I would never have **dreamed**, thirty years ago, that we would be having, or need to have, this conversation.”
God knows what conversations people will be having thirty years from **now**. Let’s hope they will be ones of victory over the scourge of islam and its adherents !
dumbledoresarmy says
Here’s hoping that your dinner party conversation is just one of many, many, many such all over the UK; and that similar conversations are happening, more and more, in *other* countries.
And furthermore: let’s also think about the water-cooler conversations in the workplace, and the pub conversations.
And that at all of those conversations the Islamoinformed, like yourself, are steadily getting a hearing.
Sabri S. says
What a shame….however, no one should confuse Persian culture,
Particularly this type of barbarity. By the way, that quotation by
MUHAMMAD was quoted during a war in the 7th century…this
Was to eliminate traitors and cowards among the armies of medina,
Who would lie and claim to be muslim, but turn turncoat during these
Military conflicts with pagan armies…pretty disingenuous to keep
Wearing this quote out to death…..
Jay Airahs says
Come on now …let’s not play games Sabri
No one is accusing Persian culture here, surely you know that.
7th century ??? Yeah right
The only thing worn out to death is Muslims being preyed upon by other Muslims claiming Allah’s will.
gravenimage says
The meretricious Sabri S. wrote:
What a shame….however, no one should confuse Persian culture,
Particularly this type of barbarity.
………………………….
I suppose Sabri S. intended to say that no one should confuse the actions of heretical Shi’ites with those of orthodox Sunni Muslims.
But this is, of course, utterly false. Yaser Said is on the FBI Ten Most Wanted List for the premeditated murder of his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah, also in Texas, for daring to have non-Muslim boyfriends. He is a Muslim of Egyptian heritage, and is Sunni just like the foul Sabri S.
More:
By the way, that quotation by
MUHAMMAD was quoted during a war in the 7th century…this
Was to eliminate traitors and cowards among the armies of medina,
Who would lie and claim to be muslim, but turn turncoat during these
Military conflicts with pagan armies…pretty disingenuous to keep
Wearing this quote out to death…..
………………………….
What crap—it is *Muslims* who regularly murder apostates, and *exactly* on the model of the vile “Prophet”.
For instance, a recent Pew poll found that 86% of Egyptians believe apostates from Islam should be murdered, as do 79% of Afghans, 76% of Pakistanis, and 62% of Malays. 82% of “moderate” Jordanians hold the same barbaric convictions.
This is *hardly* a minority view in Islam.
So—more Mudar’at (the Sunni version of Shia Taqiyya) from this nasty Mohammedan.
terry says
Sabri S.
Whatever sh*t it may be, you always have an answer. You’re only trying to save yourself as you are so much emotionally attached and conditioned, like with fire, symbolically speaking, and I bet that that was the case since a very young age. You see, if your belief system in Islam is shattered, you feel that somehow you will be lost with no identity left, and this fact alone scares you to death, most probably unconsciously.
I’d only say to you: Grow up, be a man, first pray to God to help you see the truth then start studying the Quran, Hadiths and Sunnah, comparing facts, Islamic history over the centuries and contemporary Islam. You have to come to all of this with an open heart for the truth and nothing but the truth.
Finally I can tell you, with 100% certainty that if you seek the truth from all your heart, you will find it!
Linde Barrera says
To Sabri S- If the quotation you refer to was about a 7th century event, why do the jihadists of the 21st century invoke it and other quotes of violence to justify their evil violence? Don’t be a “Smarty pants” here.
Frank says
You can’t deport all Muslims, but you can ban them from getting in and from re-entering unless they are citizens. When the countries they come from stop calling for the extermination of Jews and the death of America then maybe we can think about re-opening the doors.
voegelinian says
“You can’t deport all Muslims, but …”
Yes, let’s make sure to all repeat this enough times and make sure we’ll never do it.
Gary says
Why Muslims convert to Christianity and aren’t afraid to do so!! 😉
“If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. ”
1 Corinthians 15:19-26
Gary says
“then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
“Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”i
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.”
(1 Corinthians 15:54-58)
Sabri S. says
Are you guys kidding?!?…news flash….honor killings are is,
Has always been, and will always be a result of CULTURE!!!!
regardless of whether someone is muslim or not…
How come you guys only focus on this narrow group of
Backward third world countries to support your bigoted
Ideas and mentality….far from being a “maority” of the 1.6
Billion muslims in the world…
terry says
Sabri S.
Read my reply to you, above.
Jay Airahs says
BTW an excellent reply.
All Muslims and Muslim wanabe’s should read it.
Westman says
For Muhammad, it was religion, and his religion created the new culture of honor killing for Islam.
Allah’s Apostle(Muhammad): “Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.”
Do you deny that Muhammad gave this as a requirement from Allah? And do we need to provide the doctrine that allows ANY muslim to carry it out, with Allah’s blessing?
Champ says
Sabri S. wrote:
“Islam is without question the greatest religion
On earth, and always will be …”
On this thread:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/04/imam-of-the-kaaba-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace-love-and-compassion#comments
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What a clown!
Westman says
By the way, the twelver Shia (Persian, Iran) version of Islam also prescribes death for Apostacy. However the accepted authority for Sunni(85% of that 1.5 Billion) muslims is Egypt’s Al-Azhar University scholars who support killing Apostates.
It may be that many of those average Muslims simply are like lazy members of Christian churches who never bother to read the Bible or learn the doctrine.
As an Agnostic I simply learn the doctrine from the original source, and the personal life of Muhammad is a tale of violence and gore, witnessed and recorded by his companions. The modeling of muslim behavior on his personal action has caused more violence than the Quran’s pogrom on the Jews.
Mirren10 says
The scabrous Sabri S says;
”Are you guys kidding?!?…news flash….honor killings are is,
Has always been, and will always be a result of CULTURE!!!!”
In other words, honour killing, according to ‘Sabri’ has nothing to do with islam.
Quran- 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (reliable) witness from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them. Or God ordain for them some (other) way.”
91% of honour killings, world wide, are committed by muslims.
You’d think, wouldn’t you, that if ‘honour’ murders had nothing to do with islam, someone would issue a fatwa against it. But no-one does. What does that tell you, ‘Sabri’ ?
duh_swami says
Sabri S….You are so wise and knowledgeable, you should be explaining to your brothers and sisters who don’t know as much as you do about their religion…Those backwards 3rd world country’s you mention need your help…They seem to have misunderstood Islam…You understand it far better than their Imams, Ayatollahs…I’m sure they would welcome your sage advice…Ever think of writing a book?
terry says
Good suggestion, duh_swami!!
Michael Copeland says
“Culture”?
No. That old dishonest excuse will not wash.
The Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller” (o1.1):
“Retaliation is obligatory” for a killing.
“The following are not subject to retaliation: (o1.2)
(4) a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring;”
That is Sharia. “Sharia is Islam, and Islam is Sharia”, explains Fouad Belkacem, “Abu Imran”, of Sharia4Belgium.
The Manual is available as a free download.
Demsci says
Sabri, I grant you that honor killings may have preceded Islam and also that some obscure Christians, animists and hothead cultures may commit honor killings also. But to conclude from that, as indeed the government of Holland, does, I grant you, that it has nothing to do with Islam, is outrageous!
You and the government should ask the opposite question: What influence does Islam have on the practice of Honor killings? Does it ameliorate it or enhance, worsen it? And the answer clearly is that Islam makes honor killings worse, happening more than without Islam there would be.
And Muslims and their oh so nice and fair western, medical defenders try to exonerate Islam of every bad influence, arguing: Oh, look, some non-Muslims do this as well, so “clearly” Islam is not the cause” ” let’s hug and declare Islam innocent” (which was the goal all along).
But we can play the opposite game, Sabri. Because when Muslims are asked what is uniquely good about Islam (and thus what good did Allah bring to mankind through Islam that was unique)
then we can cheerfully say: Oh, look, all that good in Islam? Is produced also among the other cultures and religions, so …. Islam has nothing to do with it’s supposed good characteristics, which are from CULTURE, not from Islam!
When you engage in denial of bad influence of Islam, we can engage in denial of good influence of Islam. No, please, be more honest, instead of trying to deceive us.
vickie says
Sabri S.= our in house comedian Reza Aslan!!
voegelinian says
Islam is a culture — a super-culture, subsuming local cultures.
Angemon says
Sabri S. posted:
“Are you guys kidding?!?…news flash….honor killings are is,
Has always been, and will always be a result of CULTURE!!!!
regardless of whether someone is muslim or not…”
So how come they’re endemic in muslim-majority countries?
“How come you guys only focus on this narrow group of
Backward third world countries to support your bigoted
Ideas and mentality….far from being a “maority” of the 1.6
Billion muslims in the world…”
Can you name me a muslim-majority country that
a) is not a third-world country
and
b) doesn’t give “honor” killers any sort of attenuating circunstances?
And how do you account for the 2nd and 3rd generation muslims in non-muslim countries committing “honor” killings? You don’t see non-muslims killing people for changing their religion, dating someone outside their religion or refusing to wear a potato sack.
Also, how come you say it’s our “bigoted Ideas and mentality” when we’re just pointing out what muslims are doing worldwide?
Linde Barrera says
To Angemon- Your comment to Sabri S. was right on! And thank you for asking this person the critical questions that I have not seen an answer to yet, from any Muslim. Keep on thinking, analyzing, evaluating and synthesizing Angemon.
pumbar says
In the name of Allan (SWEAT), the most murkyfull, the
most compostarsed and a blemish on the derriere of
humanity.
These are the word of Allan (SWEAT).
O! Ye Muzzies, there are some among ye that hide
like meerkats and stick your niqab clad heads above
the parapet Lo! Allan and his prophet (KFC) hath seen
the ways of the believers and the believers are a
lesson for the kuffar as they wear half mast trousers
and footwear long past their sale by date.
Verily, Allan (SWEAT) hath shown who is honourable
in killing their siblings for stuff which displeases his
messenger (KFC) and carp, bream and rudd from
local watercourses.
The Wholly Qurap: Al-Chuppahups, 24:7.
(Mospamhead Al-Qruds translation).
Mirren10 says
I do **love** your parodies of the unholy koran, pumbar !
I hope you’re collating them all, inshallan ! 🙂
pumbar says
I certainly am (a)bismallan, Mirren. I think getting the end results published through Createspace or Hulu might be tricky though 🙁 .
jay says
No good can come from associating with these people, trusting them, helping them; being anywhere NEAR them. People will never learn either because this stuff is never in the news.
duh_swami says
Mosque building is how Islam spreads…’If you build it, they will come’…and they will keep coming until another mosque is needed, then another and….Resist mosque building…Al-Sharpton was right, when he said, ‘Resist we much’…he wasn’t talking about Islam, but it’s good advice just the same…If a new mosque is planned in your area, ‘resist it much’….The first mosque is a foot in the door,…slam the door on that foot if you can…
particolor says
Its Islam’s Corner Store !! Every Bloody Corner !!
boocat says
Islam is hopeless. It will never coexist.
Spot On says
Muslim’s act like a pack of hyenas. They see anyone offending them as easy prey. Oh, they will say that it is an offense against Allah but no, they are the ones offended when they strike their victims. The Islamic young are trained to use every vicious means to subdue their prey. They are taught to try to distinguish between their prey and prefer the kaffir. In this case, it is a Muslim changing to a kaffir. If convenient, they will enslave female Kaffir for sex. In this case they killed her. They have different grades of kaffir such as Jew, Christian, apostate, etc. If Kaffir are not available, they will seek to prey on Shia or Sunnis Muslims as the case may be. If they cannot find Shia or Sunni Muslims, they will prey on each other.
Truth says
The murderer should have a Koran tied on his forhead and then hung by police, on TV.
John says
These so called honor killings are just one among many reasons why Islamophobia is a rational phobia. It’s easy to point at the ISIS atrocities, Nidal Hasan, Boko Haram, etc and claim these practitioners of murder, mayhem, and terrorism have been radicalized and they are the only bad elements in an otherwise peaceful religion. That’s hogwash. Honor killings are not about honor but control. There is not one particle of love or compassion in these activities. Some perpetrators are prosecuted, but how long until the DOJ presses law enforcement to look the other way on this? A nation which is capable of permitting 61 million legal murders of the unborn can make this leap easily.
Paul says
Very sad story
TheCountess says
Long before I ever knew of Robert Spencer or P. Geller, I knew Brigitte Gabriel…
“When Good people do nothing”
A must see U-tube that addresses doing nothing
Jay Airahs says
There is KILLING in the name Muhammad
But
There is PEACE in the name Jesus.
There is LOVE in the name Jesus.
There is HEALING in the name Jesus.
Person1773 says
We all know that Moooslim-ism is the “Religion Of Peace” & tolerance. Our Dear Leader The Lord Obamasiah has stated so, and we all know that The Dearest Communist In The Whitehouse always states the truth & never lies (“If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.” “If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan.”)
Obey.
R Cole says
Surprised no one has claimed the “Islamophobes” were involved in these deaths! That would have gotten more press coverage!
In order to facilitate their murderous cultural-religious actions in western society – anyone can find themselves accused!
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The truth is the list is growing longer and longer – of things which Muslims do – that we are meant to say don’t have anything to do with Islam!!
Enter 1984
I think the next test for being a worthy member of society will be to hold a Koran open – read the words – quite plainly written on the page – then deny their very existence – on the other hand those who acknowledge that these verses – which call for attacks or mistreatment of those outside the Islamic faith – do exist – is to be the worst of the worst.
Embracing the Islamo-propaganda would become to new norm – for the good of all Muslim-kind!
But when ‘you’ are the target of those who would be killed ~ delusions would need to be put aside!!
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Islam N Individual R 1?
Part of the so called effort to help Muslims is the claim that Islam cannot be separated from the person. When people say rightly that they are talking about the religion – the response is often that Muslims and Islam are one and the same – but in the Muslim world this reasoning is used to justify – the killing or punishment of those who leave Islam.
We believe the individual is secondary to the ideology or belief – and why western law is based on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights – whereas across the Islamic world – laws are based Cairo Declaration of Human Rights – which gives Islam the ideology – the body of ideas that make up Islam – priority over human life – without which the ideology could not exist.
They got it all backwards!!
Abdul Iblis says
The newspapers in Europe, Americas, and Asia should publish articles to expose the lies and deception of Islam. If newspaper kept publishing scientific errors in Quran earlier, there wouldn’t be any rise in fundamentalism now.
Lesley says
No mosques on our shores. Deport all Muslims, whether they are converts or grew up in the religion.
Give protection to all apostates; make our financial aid to and involvement with any foreign country contingent on protection of apostates, upholding human rights for women and children, and human rights for religious minorities and gays.
Western values are more civilized. We should neither tolerate nor reward in any way Sharia ‘values’ and principles. Down with ridiculous religious relativism!
Winged Hussar 1683 says
Texas has the death penalty, and imposes it. I wonder whether the jihad ape will bray to Allah when they stick the needle in his arm, or more likely plead and beg for his worthless life.
Robert A says
Another peaceful act done by the peaceful followers of the religion of peace. How peaceful.
Kuffar says
First, Jesus, the Son of God, is Lord.
You have to remember, that mohammad, was a perverted, pedophile, huckster. He lied, to kind people, that took him in, and protected him from other people, that he had screwed. Once he got enough, feeble minded followers, he killed those that had protected him. Now, the U. S. has taken in, “refugees”, who are trying to change our laws, to fit their demonic religious views. When, they get enough idiots, they will try to kill us.
I believe in witnessing to people, about Jesus’ birth, death and resurrection. And, I don’t want anyone to have to experience hell. But, the Bible does tell us, not to cast pearls before swine.
The Prince of Persia, is alive and well, and doing his best to drag, as many souls to the lake of fire, as he can. He has, very little time left. And, he has an entire army, of Islamic buffoons, to do his bidding. He just has to keep them pounding their heads, on the rug.
Any warm body, if their eyes are open, should see the coming storm. But, in those dark clouds, comes our salvation.
Bezelel says
Agreed.
Champ says
First, Jesus, the Son of God, is Lord.
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Yes, He *is*, Kuffar!
And this from “Got Questions” …
Question: “Is Jesus the only way to Heaven?”
Answer: Yes, Jesus is the only way to heaven.
More here:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-only-way.html
Linde Barrera says
To Champ- Thank you for your kind words to me dated 4/27/15 at 5:09 pm. I gave Rezali Mehil an answer at 5:54 pm because s/he mentioned me in his/her response to CGW. and mentioned you too. Rezali wrote a disparaging remark about us, which is ok with me, as a person’s opinion is important no matter how unflattering it may be. Take care Champ. xo
Champ says
Thank you, Linde! xo 🙂
Kuffar says
Just read this. Very good blog entry! Excellent read!
https://tictocministries.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/isis-prophecy-the-200-million-man-army-2/