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Turks irked at Pope Francis’ referring to Armenian Genocide

Apr 12, 2015 10:23 am By Robert Spencer

pope-francisThe Turks are irked because they have never admitted that their mass murder of the Armenians was a genocide. Islamic supremacists never take responsibility for any evil they have done, or that other Islamic supremacists have done. It either didn’t happen, or was done by someone else, or was the Infidels’ fault. And so the Turks are enraged that Pope Francis, of all people, actually used the word “genocide” in connection with what the Ottomans did to the Armenians — particularly at this time, when the Erdogan regime is rolling back Kemalist secularism and re-Ottomanizing Turkey.

“Turkey anger at Pope Francis Armenian ‘genocide’ claim,” BBC, April 12, 2015 (thanks to Marc):

Turkey summoned the Vatican ambassador over Pope Francis’s use of the word “genocide” to describe the mass killing of Armenians under Ottoman rule in WW1.

The foreign ministry reportedly told the envoy it was “disappointed” by the comments, which caused a “problem of trust” between Turkey and the Vatican.

Armenia and many historians say up to 1.5 million people were systematically killed by Ottoman forces in 1915.

Turkey has consistently denied that the killings were genocide.

The Pope’s comments came at a service in Rome to honour a 10th Century mystic, attended by Armenia’s president.

The dispute has continued to sour relations between Armenia and Turkey.
‘Bleeding wound’

The Pope first used the word genocide for the killings two years ago, prompting a fierce protest from Turkey.

At Sunday’s Mass in the Armenian Catholic rite at Peter’s Basilica, he said that humanity had lived through “three massive and unprecedented tragedies” in the last century.

“The first, which is widely considered ‘the first genocide of the 20th Century’, struck your own Armenian people,” he said, in a form of words used by a declaration by Pope John Paul II in 2001.

Pope Francis also referred to the crimes “perpetrated by Nazism and Stalinism” and said other genocides had followed in Cambodia, Rwanda, Burundi and Bosnia.

He said it was his duty to honour the memories of those who were killed.

“Concealing or denying evil is like allowing a wound to keep bleeding without bandaging it,” the Pope added.

Turkey rejects the use of the term “genocide” to describe the 1915 mass killings of Armenians

On Sunday, Pope Francis also honoured the 10th Century mystic St Gregory of Narek by declaring him a doctor of the church. Only 35 other people have been given the title, including St Augustine and the Venerable Bede.

Armenia marks the date of 24 April 1915 as the start of the mass killings. The country has long campaigned for greater recognition of what it regards as a genocide.
Analysis: David Willey, BBC News, Rome

The Pope was perfectly conscious that by using the word “genocide” he would offend Turkey, which considers the number of deaths of Armenians during the extinction of the Ottoman Empire exaggerated, and continues to deny the extent of the massacre.

But the Pope’s powerful phrase “concealing or denying evil is like allowing a wound to bleed without bandaging it” extended his condemnation to all other, more recent, mass killings….

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  1. Kenneth T. Tellis says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 10:34 am

    The Ottoman Turks were guilty of some of the worst crimes in history, including the Armenian Holocaust of 1915 -2100. But, like All Muslims they are living in denial of their heinous crimes. And they must also be reminded of it time and time again, so as not to forget it.Y

    • mortimer says

      Apr 12, 2015 at 8:33 pm

      The Genocides against Armenians, Assyrians and the indigenous Greek-speaking Anatolians were admitted by the last Sultan of Turkey, Abdul Mecid: “I refer to those awful massacres. They are the GREATEST STAIN THE HAS EVER DISGRACED OUR NATION AND RACE. They were entirely the work of Talat and Enver. I heard some days before they began that they were intended. I went to Istanbul and insisted on seeing Enver. I asked him if it was true that they intended to recommence the massacres which had been our shame and disgrace under Abdul Hamid. The only reply I could get from him was: ‘It is decided. It is the program.’”

      Prince Abdul Mecid also referred to the previous massacres which took place under Sultan Abdul Hamid (Armenian Massacres of 1894–1896 or Hamidian Massacres of 300,000).

      A total of at least 3 million Christian subjects of Turkey were murdered by government orders.

      • voegelinian says

        Apr 13, 2015 at 4:04 pm

        This smells like an Internet echo-chamber factoid. I’d like to see hard evidence (not just some blog linking to another blog linking to another blog linking to another blog, etc.).

    • David says

      Apr 13, 2015 at 1:32 am

      Jack, I’m sorry to tell you that the ADL has lobbied against recognition of the Armenian Genocide for years in the US in collusion with the Turks.
      It is also the position of the Israeli Govt. (including Peres) to not acknowledge the AG for a variety of reasons-all hypocritical or self-serving.
      Luckily, there are many Jewish people who know the truth about it and are not afraid to admit it including the director of the Holocaust Museum.
      Even worse, Obama has refused recognition despite promises to do so during his first election (presumably to placate the Turks).

      • cs says

        Apr 13, 2015 at 7:43 am

        This has been changing. One of the chiefs Rabbis of Israel has recognized it.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yona_Metzger#Relationship_with_Armenians

        Look under relationship with Armenians.

        Yes, the west has been patronizing Turkey since a long time, giving them North Cyprus in exchange for their alliance and make them part of NATO, so they would not join the Soviets, now they are having second thoughts.

        • Jack Holan says

          Apr 13, 2015 at 10:35 am

          I am aware that the ADL has taken its position opposite to my own. I also understand the rationale of why our government prefers to maintain the myth for political considerations. I am no so constrained and I cannot find it in myself to disregard the factual truth behind the attempted genocide of the Armenians whether yesterday or 100 years ago. I have a sting belief that there are elements within Turkish society who would repeat this action on other groups if they thought they could get away with it. Erdogan is becoming more strange as each day passes. What’s scary is that he has people who follow him

    • Jack Diamond says

      Apr 13, 2015 at 8:17 pm

      Interestingly, there were war crimes trials held at the behest of the British. The tribunal was short lived, famously District Governor Kemal Bey was hanged for ordering the deaths of tens of thousands (to great irking of many Turks) but there is a record of testimony and evidence (recorded officially in the gazette of the Ottoman parliament). A record of genocide, intentional and ruthless.

      The Court concluded 27 April, 1919 “the disaster visiting the Armenians was not a local or isolated event. It was the result of a premeditated decision taken by a central body (the Secret Organization of the CPU)..and the immolations and excesses which took place were based on oral and written orders issued by that central body.” The final verdict found the CPU guilty of using wartime conditions as a pretext for domestic genocide and the heads of government–Talaat, Enver, Jemal and Nazim–guilty of first degree murder and sentenced to death in absentia. The war crimes tribunal was eventually abandoned by the British (and deeply unpopular in Turkey) but “nevertheless the trials produced more evidence about the organized plan to exterminate the Armenians…from Turkish officials who had themselves organized and participated in the massacres and deportations, and from a body of official documents.”
      –“The Burning Tigris” (2003) Peter Balakian p.344

      Justice still had a way of finding some of them. Talaat Pasha, who fled to Germany, was shot down in broad daylight in Berlin in 1921 by a 24-year old Armenian named Soghomon Tehlirian, who told Talaat “this is to avenge the death of my family” before he killed him. Tehlirian had seen the death of his parents on a death march, the rape of his sisters, and the beheading of his brother. He was acquitted at his trial when the jury heard what he had experienced aka temporary insanity. During the trial official decoded ciphers were produced that came from Talaat, proving he gave orders to exterminate the Armenians.

      • Linde Barrera says

        Apr 13, 2015 at 10:06 pm

        To Jack Diamond- Thank you for providing that gut wrenching information. I wonder, but praise God, how that 24 year old surviving Armenian man was able NOT to be beheaded, bayonneted, shot, crucified or marched into the Syrian desert before he just dropped from exhaustion. None of that happened, thank God. And the monster Talaat, coward that he was, escaped to Germany before getting what he deserved. Say what you want about Germany after WWII, whether they volunteered or were forced to find Jewish Holocaust victims and remunerate them, the German government did it. They also promoted the idea of young Germans to go to Israel and volunteer there on the kibbutz farms. I am still waiting for Turkey to take responsibility for the Armenian genocide and issue an official apology. Btw, I mailed a thank you note to Pope Francis today for calling out Turkey with the Armenian genocide. I told him not to apologize, stand his ground and if Turkey didn’t like it, too bad!

        • Jack Diamond says

          Apr 14, 2015 at 12:20 am

          Tehlirian was clubbed in the head in the attack on the evacuating Armenians and his family. He was left for dead in a pile of corpses. When he woke up he made his escape.
          His died in 1960 in California and his monument is adorned with an eagle slaying a snake
          (you can guess who the snake symbolizes) and there are numerous statues of him in Armenia.

        • Linde Barrera says

          Apr 14, 2015 at 8:35 am

          To Jack Diamond- Awesome! God blessed us with that victorious news. Thank you.

  2. Richie says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 10:51 am

    This Pope is so liberal I expect he will issue a fully apology for offending Muslims for bringing up a genocide they carried out

    • Jay Airahs says

      Apr 12, 2015 at 12:43 pm

      This is two hits in a row after long slump of strikeouts.
      Let’s hope that the pope is finally starting to learn how to play the game.

      • PatnTruck says

        Apr 13, 2015 at 3:36 pm

        You are right – two steps in the right direction….We are his people these mohammadans have butchered, and still keep on butchering. Only so much denial can go on before the blood cannot be washed away by propaganda.

  3. vickie says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 10:56 am

    Because the allah made them do it!!

  4. underbed cat says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 11:20 am

    God Bless you Pope..your words will be heard. Hope the people in Washington D.C. will defend your comments…and the media….that it was reported by BBC news it a surprise.

  5. Jack Holan says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 11:24 am

    It’s time for all nations of moral character to come forward and declare Turkeys guilt in the genocide of 1.5mm people in a heinous. Fashion. Turkey by being a bully to shut the world up isn’t going to work any longer. The West is sick of flat out lies coming from Muslim countries that a Child wouldn’t believe

  6. Jay Airahs says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 11:32 am

    Now hold on just a minute Turkey.

    This is not Pope Benedict.
    This pope is a fully compliant card-carry Leftist with impeccable credentials in Islam appeasement.
    When even Pope Francis calls it genocide, it is long past time admit it.

    Turkey is attempting genocide of Christians in Syria and Iraq with their proxy ISIS.

  7. Jay Airahs says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 11:33 am

    Islam has no morals.

  8. Linde Barrera says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 11:45 am

    Good morning my fellow Jihad Watch-ers! Please consider sending an email or brief note to Pope Francis commending his knowledge about the Turks’ killing of the Armenians in the early years of the 20th century, and THANK him for speaking out publicly about this heinous crime. As to upsetting Turkey? Take it on the chin, Recip Erdogan and all your adoring cruel Islamist followers. Bravo Pope Francis.

  9. Jack Diamond says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 11:46 am

    First have the foreign ministry explain this:

    “in her memoir, Ravished Armenia, Aurora Mardiganian described how in the early twentieth century in the city of Malatia, she saw 16 girls crucified, vultures eating their corpses: “Each girl had been nailed alive upon her cross, spikes through her feet and hands,” wrote the Armenian survivor. “Only their hair blown by the wind covered their bodies.”

    crucified Armenian Christian girls
    http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/armen1.jpg

    then the thousands of other pictures and testimonies just as damning. The Turks should be “offended” at every opportunity.

  10. William F. Giuliano says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was as guilty of genocide as Sultan Abdülhamid II and the Young Turks (after which the repulsive Cenk Uygur has named his online “news” show). The Cilician homeland of my maternal ancestors (also home to Saint Paul in ancient times) had been left largely untouched until Atatürk came to power, but once that happened the atrocities followed. Abdülhamid started the genocide, the Young Turks accelerated it, and Atatürk finished it.

    • Maria says

      Apr 12, 2015 at 1:19 pm

      @William
      shhhhh don’t tell the truth about Ataturk you will upset lots of jihad watchers on here who claim ataturk was a great man who made Turkey a great secular Country never mind the fact he was a muslim who murdered and genocided thousands of Greeks and Armenians but who cares anyway they where only Orthodox Christians anyway

      • Jay Airahs says

        Apr 12, 2015 at 1:37 pm

        What a crock.
        “will upset lots of jihad watchers ”
        The only jihad watchers to have an issue with that are the occasional pro-Islam trolls.
        Why would you make such a ludicrous statement?

        BTW Most jihad watchers blame Islam and not the West.

        • Maria says

          Apr 12, 2015 at 3:47 pm

          reason I made such a statement is because I have read lots of comments on jihad watch praising Attaturk the muslim mass murderer on how he made Turkey secular.

          “BTW Most jihad watchers blame Islam and not the West. ”
          that’s the problem most jihad wacthers blame only islam but not there precious west that is helping islam to thrive I blame islam and the west

      • Jay Airahs says

        Apr 12, 2015 at 1:43 pm

        William F. Giuliano said,

        “Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was as guilty of genocide as Sultan Abdülhamid II and the Young Turks (after which the repulsive Cenk Uygur has named his online “news” show). The Cilician homeland of my maternal ancestors (also home to Saint Paul in ancient times) had been left largely untouched until Atatürk came to power, but once that happened the atrocities followed. Abdülhamid started the genocide, the Young Turks accelerated it, and Atatürk finished it.”

        Thanks for that information

      • Wellington says

        Apr 12, 2015 at 7:21 pm

        Maria: Ataturk had many faults and he was a dictator of sorts no doubt. He was also a rank nationalist. BUT, he understood how wretched Islam is. Here he must be given credit. After all, in the final analysis, a Turkish nationalist who does terrible things and is incapable of apology is still far preferable to a Muslim who does terrible things, is incapable of apology and who doesn’t “get,” as Ataturk did, that Islam is due to the ravings of an immoral Bedouin who, with his awful ideology, continues to poison the lives worldwide of untold millions to this day.

        Think globally and not locally, Maria. Even when looking upon Ataturk at his very worst, he did at least take the step to minimize Islam in Turkish life. Yes, Ataturk was a dictator and he did unconscionable things, but don’t you see that having to praise someone like Ataturk is ultimately indicative of just how malevolent Islam really is. Lesser evil excused in order to illustrate greater evil and all that. Surely you can see this, can’t you?

        • Maria says

          Apr 12, 2015 at 8:13 pm

          Wellington you really are a typical ignorant and arrogant Person how dare you tell me that Ataturks genocide of my people was a lesser evil and it should be exused. if ataturk hated islam why was he a muslim? he massacred Geeks Armenians Assyrians with his Turkish muslim army he was not secular Turkey has never been a secular country its 99% muslim and Christians are like 5% and treated like crap but your one of those typical impearlist who admires Bosnian and Turkic muslims and say they are the good secular muslims that’s only because you hate Orthodox Christians and is secretly glad Turks killed them.

          wellington shame on you for calling the Armenian and Greek Genocide a lesser evil you might as well Support Hitler to

        • Linde Barrera says

          Apr 12, 2015 at 8:38 pm

          To Wellington, Maria and William F. Giuliano- I am not taking sides. But Wellington, your interpretation of Ataturk’s misdeeds is just plain incorrect. I am neither Greek, Armenian, or Turkish. But Ataturk caused many problems for Armenians, Greeks and Turkish Christians, who he believed were “bottom feeders” in society, which they certainly were not. He also wanted Turkey to be known as a “secular society”. This designation would make an Islamic country more digestible to the west, while advancing taqquiya! Islam is evil, so were their leaders during the Armenian genocide, and so is their current leader, Recip Erdogan, a militant Islamist. Read the book “Caravans To Oblivion” by CS Graber. Well documented, heart breaking, true story.

        • Wellington says

          Apr 12, 2015 at 9:56 pm

          To Maria and Linde: Both of you completely missed my larger point. I was not exculpating Ataturk in the least for harm he did (or excused) against Armenians and others. My larger point was that whatever faults Turkish nationalism a la Ataturk engaged in (and they have been significant), they still pale in comparison to the faults which 1400 years of Islamic “enthusiam” has engaged in against sundry peoples across the continents.

          See the larger picture. Develop perspective. Learn that the sliding scale of evil has many gradations. After all, Turkish nationalism at its very worst is still far preferable, and especially seen from a global perspective, to what Islam has wrought upon mankind across the world.

          Get a grip, Maria and LInde. If you doubt me, then just contemplate all the wrongs perpetrated by Turkish nationalism, terrible as those wrongs have been, versus the wrongs of Islam, which dwarf the wrongs of virtually any nationalism or belief system of all time. If you don’t get my meaning now, you never will. Done here.

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 12, 2015 at 10:37 pm

          Maria, knock it off and read some of Wellingtons posts!! You have just made a fool out of yourself, putting words into his mouth that have never belonged there!! He is one of the most informed and articulate people, anywhere, who opposes the crime called islam (RTC)!! That the slaughter of several millions is a ‘lesser evil’ than the slaughter of 80 million or 280 million, does NOT degrade or lessen the crime committed against those few million, and Wellington did NOT state or imply that.

          Kindly take the time to review his posts… You will find that he is one of your strongest and best allies. Check it out!!!

        • Maria says

          Apr 13, 2015 at 12:22 pm

          @wellington Ataturk was a extreme nationalist because islam teaches nationalism to say that nationalism has nothing to do with islam is a oxymoron nationalism and islam go hand in hand. muslims are told to drive out non muslims from there lands and that its there land that is nationalism that islam teaches. Hitler was a extreme nationlist does that mean he was a lesser evil? the reason Ataturk didn’t appear to be Islamic was because he was worried about the West and wanted to fool people he never banned islam as a religion he never stoped muslims from practising islam all he did was ban some clothing. If he had banned islam from Turkey then Erdogan wouldn’t be in power today also Ataturk’s anti Christian attitude came from his Islamic teachings.

        • Maria says

          Apr 13, 2015 at 12:47 pm

          WesternCanadian you are the biggest fool to state that the west does not support islam and it was only western elites in the other Article comments about the severed head used as a football so can you explain to me why when PEGIDA a anti islam group was about to protest they where met with hundreds of muslim sympathizers at a counter protest rally for tolerance? http://metronews.ca/news/canada/1325793/pegida-cancels-march-as-hundreds-rally-for-tolerance
          in London and Newcastle when PEGIDA protested they where outnumbered by Anti facist counter protest 1 to 15looks to me its not only the elites its mostly Westerners in general to

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 13, 2015 at 1:33 pm

          Maria, to put it very mildly, you are a very bitter, ignorant and hate filled ass****. Most of the people in the west actually do things like WORK FOR A LIVING, RAISE FAMILIES, and have other rather important things that get in the way of protesting, no matter how much they might like to. As for the relative size of protests, muslims are very often welfare leeches, and have considerably more free time than someone like, say, myself.
          AND I HAVE STILL MADE IT TO SEVERAL PROTESTS, SO TAKE YOUR IGNORANT BIGOTRY AND SHOVE IT BACK UP WHERE IT CAME FROM!!!! And the sweetest of the protests had the hate mongers outnumbered by over 80 to 1!! Which is probably why the violence that occurred at an earlier counter-protest didn’t repeat. As for ‘tolerance’, the term has been distorted beyond belief, and the hypocrites who use it do not hesitate to resort to violence, lawfare, hate filled smears (they could take lessons from YOU!!!) and any other means to shut up those who try to stand up to them. The hard left will fill buses of paid for losers, or the stupid and mis-educated from any and all near by college or university campuses. The funding available to the hard left is massive, and one of the major reasons why they appear stronger and bigger than they are. Families are protesting the rot in our educational system, challenges are being made against so called ‘human rights commissions’ that are dominated by hard left hate mongers (who could also take lessons from YOU!), and some victories have occurred.

          But you would rather hate even those who are fighting for you and on your behalf. You are pathetic.

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 13, 2015 at 1:39 pm

          Another sad little detail.. Whenever a politically favoured group wishes to protest, need for permits, police escorts etc. are often ignored, with no push back from gutless the often gutless and bought off higher ups and dirty politicians. It can be so bad that when a favoured group was blocking traffic on a major throughway, in violation of their allowed route, the police actually threatened ordinary citizens who dare to try to use the throughway for their daily business.

          JUST BECAUSE OUR ELITE ARE NOT ON OUR SIDE, DOENS’T MEAN THAT WE ARE NOT ON OUR OWN SIDE. NOT THAT YOU COULD OR WOULD TELL THE DIFFERENCE.

        • Maria says

          Apr 13, 2015 at 2:59 pm

          western Canadian I don’t know what your problem is but you are a arrogant bitter C**T you might as well defend islam with out relising it by defending your government its obvouse the west supports islam maybe you don’t care but I do I seen the protest in London there was about 60 people protesting at the PEGIDA and about hundreds of the UAF yes the elites are responsible because they have brainwashed people into saying islam is peaceful and they have to fight bigotry also the PEGIDA where given permits to protest. Don’t lie and say I hate the people fighting on my behalf all I done is critise the Western Government for funding and Supporting Terrorist Groups and all you and your arrogant friends have done is lie and say I hate the West on the other hand I seen lots of people on here critise Obama and there goverments you said nothing to them why is that? its because your a racist its because im a Orthodox Christian you hate me and think your superior well you are not you are nothing but a pathetic Piece of SH** you Defended your friend Wellington Comment on Ataturk being a lesser evil who said killing Greeks and Armenians was nothing that bad as far as im concerned you can go to hell

        • gravenimage says

          Apr 13, 2015 at 6:34 pm

          Maria, I am sorry to hear you lost family in the Armenian Genocide.

          All Wellington and Western Canadian have noted, though, is that Turkey is becoming even more of a danger now that it is re-Islamizing under Erdogan. Neither of them were minimizing the savagery that continued in Turkey under Attatürk

          Both of these men are stalwart Anti-Jihadists, and neither of them are your enemy.

        • Maria says

          Apr 13, 2015 at 7:36 pm

          Gravenimage im not Armenian im Greek but my family did Suffer at the hand of the Turks with the help of Britain the problem with Canadian and Wellington is they are racist and arrogant towards non western Christians they view us as inferior and even though they know there government Supports islam against us they don’t like to see us inferior eastern orthodox Christians question the west wher ever its right or wrong im not saying all westerners are like this but most are I can see it on here at the end of the day I live in London I don’t see anyone protesting for Christians being persecuted I only see so called anti facist protesting for the Palestinians and counter protesting the EDL and pegida to defend muslims but for some reason the arrogant twat Canadian doesn’t like me mentioning thinks his superior or something but his not

        • Western Canadian says

          Apr 14, 2015 at 1:20 pm

          The troll called ‘Maria’ sounds very much like a muslim. Nasty, unintelligible, quick to name call (racist??? Not even close) and express hatred. Since her rants seek to divide us against each other…. I would suggest the troll called ‘Maria’ be ignored. She is beyond reason.

      • abad says

        Apr 12, 2015 at 8:41 pm

        It’s gotta be their Mongolian heritage in addition to Islam – maybe Ataturk is a distant descendent of Attila…….

    • gravenimage says

      Apr 13, 2015 at 6:29 pm

      William, you are quite right. A lot of people assume that the Armenian Genocide was a one-time incident, but it was not. It began in about 1895 under the Ottomans, and continued in a series of waves of horrific homicidal violence through the “Young Turks” and Attatürk. It did not end until the terrible destruction of Smyrna in 1923.

      And while the Armenians suffered most severely, other victims included Greek, Assyrian, and “Levantine” Christians, as well as Jews—really, every non-Muslim minority.

      • Peggy says

        Apr 13, 2015 at 10:42 pm

        Let’s not forget that Ottom empire laster 500 years in the Balkans and a lot of horrors happened during that time. Many Christians were converted, including some Bosnian population and that’s why we have Bosnian Muslims now and Albanians.
        Most Serbs held on to their Christianity but they paid a high price for that. There is a tower made of human (Serbian) skulls which reminds of of what Islam brings.
        Erdogan has said that he is happy to ride the democracy bus but as soon as he reaches his stop, he is getting off. This is out there and not even hidden and our foolish western governments would still rather pick a fight with an Eastern Orthodox than a Muslim. Talk about a death wish.

  11. thomas pellow says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    “April 24,1915-2015 The Recognition of The Armenian Genocide”

    is on Facebook.

    • thomas pellow says

      Apr 12, 2015 at 1:51 pm

      https://www.facebook.com/TheRecognitionOfTheArmenianGenocide

  12. thomas pellow says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    “Notes on the Genocides of Christian Populations of the Ottoman Empire”

    http://www.genocidetext.net/iags_resolution_supporting_documentation.htm

  13. JamesonRocks says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 2:26 pm

    “The foreign ministry reportedly told the envoy it was “disappointed” by the comments, which caused a “problem of trust” between Turkey and the Vatican.”

    Pig piss on the Rat Bastard moozie turks.

    Trust the turks???? I think not!

  14. wildjew says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 2:29 pm

    I commend this pope for this move. Let us hope he does not retreat under pressure. Not even the Anti-Defamation League (who labels R. Spencer and P. Geller as Islamophobes) will call this genocide.

    • Jack Holan says

      Apr 12, 2015 at 4:56 pm

      I wasn’t aware that this was ADLs position on Robert Spenser and Pamela Geller. Shame on them. Have they ever given them an opportunity to have a sit down to discuss their positions and what it is based upon? I think if Mr. Spenser called Mr. Foxman directly and asked that they get together for an informal chat with Pamela and Mr. Foxman with his adviser; I don’t see how he can refuse. I believe once you all have your discussion the ADL will understand your position, won’t agree with it but won’t consider you prejudiced.

  15. Amy Soldie says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    Were I Pope I publicize the relationship of their Mo with Aisha,

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm

    …, and I cut into the jugular of the Beast of Islam by asking one question: “Why was there no revelation to Your Mo from the Creator informing your Mo to “knock it off” with the kid?”

  16. Peter says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    Genocides – there were at least two genocides of Armenians (including one in the late 19th century), and Greek and Assyrian Christians (now being brutalized by ISIS) were also targeted (estimate of a combined 3 million butchered on the altar of Allah, the ostensibly compassionate, merciful, and omniscient and omnipotent deity with ‘enemies’).

  17. jay says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    The Turks are a violent horrid people responsible for so much death and destruction and demented torture and suffering inflicted on so many it’s unimaginable. If that’s not bad enough, their attitudes about it make it impossible not to loathe them entirely and makes very little doubt in my mind if they had any smidgen of power they’d do it again in a heartbeat. They deserved their destruction and defeat, just as all the caliphates back when the world had the sense to know so.

  18. Jerry says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    The Turks do not like it to be referred to as a genocide.

    They want it treated as an internal affair:

    A turkey shoot in their backyard.

  19. Bezelel says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    The Serb’s have some history with the turks as well.
    http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/skull-tower-nis

  20. Peggy says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    Isn’t it amazing that this Pope has thrown in Bosnia as genocide. We have 1.5 million Armenians killed and yes that is genocide but we have up to 8000 Bosnian men and “boys” killed and that is also called genocide by this Pope. Women and children from Srebrenica were put on busses and allowed to leave. What they killed was men who were very busy themselves murdering Serbs from surrounding villages (that included women and children) and “boys” who were also part of that.
    That magic number of 8000 seems to fluctuate but let’s say that it was 8000. How does that make it genocide? Allowing women and children to leave is NOT genocide, unlike Muslims killing everyone in surrounding villages, including women and children. UN was there and did nothing to stop the Muslim so what were Serbs supposed to do? Of course they went in there with a heavy hand. Who wouldn’t? Who was going to stop the killing of Serbs in that area and yes there was retribution.
    This Pope comparing what happened in Armenia and what happened in Bosnia was wrong to do so.

    • Bezelel says

      Apr 12, 2015 at 9:47 pm

      Peggy, As long as the Pope can restrain himself from referring to the ottomans as poor misguided misunderstanders of the religion of peace,I will call it progress on his part. I am certain that he is very well read.

      • Peggy says

        Apr 13, 2015 at 12:39 am

        I never said that he wasn’t well read and I am sure our governments are also but they still insist on calling Srebrenica a genocide.
        Do you think it fits into that category given how many and who was killed after the Muslims attempted genocide on the Serbs in surrounding villages?
        Maybe someone should actually look up the definition of genocide and research what actually happened there prior to Serbs attacking and how many were allowed to leave.

        • Januk36 says

          Apr 13, 2015 at 1:57 am

          Sociocide would be a far better term as it does justice to the victims of the left totalitarian states run by Stalin, Mao, Kmer.

        • Bezelel says

          Apr 13, 2015 at 7:22 am

          Peggy, I don’t doubt your point at all. I only wish to encourage the Pope to continue speaking out against the islamic behavior. From what I gather from the subject, genocide is part of the islamic mission statement, depending on what phase or conditions permit per each piece of geography currently being attacked. The Pope has a huge audience and his words do carry a lot of weight. Evidently the turks are aware of that too. Imagine if the Pope gets so weary of the daily news of atrocities against Christians that he just says “F-it” and calls for a another Crusade.

    • Beth says

      Apr 13, 2015 at 9:14 am

      Totally agree! Peggy

      The muslims in that area acted in the exact same way toward the Serbs as the Palestinians do to the Israelis. And the media covered it up. Look at Albania – the muslims there have named their streets after the Clintons – and the name Yugoslavia was done away with. The Clintons are guilty of war crimes against the Serbs – who only defending their own territory against that evil cult called islam.

  21. Western Canadian says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 11:07 pm

    The Turks have never been mush of an ally….. A number of years ago, Canada was phasing out it’s fleet of CF-104’s…. The infamous StarFighter…. Canada offered about 20+ of them, at an absurdly good price…. Fully overhauled, zero timed, at about 10% of their original cost. One hell of a good deal…. and the payment was to be in the form of purchasing Canadian reactor tech, at a discounted price. I suspect that no one will go into shock when they find that the Turks failed to live up to their end of the bargain. Allies?? not even close.

  22. Karine says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    Thank you, Pope Francis! May God give him the courage to always speak the truth!

  23. Laura says

    Apr 13, 2015 at 5:20 am

    Stand by for the grovelling ‘apology.’

  24. thomas pellow says

    Apr 13, 2015 at 7:00 am

    “ISIS’s Turkish Brothers”

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5494/isis-turkey-ibdac

  25. Veritas says

    Apr 13, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    Erdogan offered the Pope a deal to protect Middle East Christians in exchange for the Pope fighting “Islamaphobia” in the West. (Today”s Newsmax) The result is Pope Francis quotes Pope John Paul II regarding the genocide and the Turks calling in the Vatican Ambassador to protest the Pope’s Mass of Remembrance. Looks like no deal which may cost many Christian lives. And all you can say Robert is “of all people”.

  26. gravenimage says

    Apr 13, 2015 at 6:42 pm

    Turks irked at Pope Francis’ referring to Armenian Genocide
    …………………………..

    This is another thing dhimmis are not allowed to do under Islam—to mention their suffering at the hands of ravening Muslims.

  27. Peggy says

    Apr 13, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    Bezelel says

    April 13, 2015 at 7:22 am

    Peggy, I don’t doubt your point at all. I only wish to encourage the Pope to continue speaking out against the islamic behavior.
    ===============================
    Yes, we all want to encourage the Pope to speak up and tell the world the whole truth which doesn’t include selling out some Christians in order to get attention on others. He can’t afford not to tell the WHOLE truth because he does have such a huge audience. You see, if the Serbs are sacrificed in order to appear unbiased then they win. They can say that some Christians have committed genocide against them and we lose some moral ground. This is not allowed, especially when it’s a LIE.
    The west is desperate to label Serbs as the bad guys because that’s how most people want it. US is engaged in defending the good guys and fighting the bad guys. Simple explanation will always will you support. The Pope as a Christian must defend Christians, all Christians because his word carries a lot of weight. He cannot afford to make divisions now between Catholics and Orthodox.

  28. Myron J. Poltroonian says

    Apr 13, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    I’ve made this observation now for the past several years. I wasn’t being prescient, just being real. It was the “Nation” of Turkey and its ideological descendants, whose actions in the name of “The Religion Of Peace”, are what inspired me to pen what I call “Nation Renaming”:

    How about this. Instead of “Nation Building”, after throwing out their terrorist supporting regimes in the Middle East and/or the so called “Tribal Areas”, let us try (preemptive) “Nation Renaming”. Yes! Lets let them be known as “NukeStan” [pronounced: Nuke’-Es-Stan.] (Only until or unless they change their evil ways, of course.) Two or three examples should be enough. If not, then reduce to molten glass those places they hold most dear. (Mecca, Medina, etc. .. .)

    I do have a serious question though: Have you ever stopped to examine why so many of you had the reaction to this thought you just did? The only reason I can come up with is the fear (based on reality) of real world, barbaric, pre-planned violence, committed against civilians where you and other innocents live. You are asking for civil, restrained “reactive defense” towards those who despise you for living and breathing on the very same planet as they. We, in the West, view reporters and artist’s, women and children, Doctors and Nurses, their patients and the elderly, for example, as “hold harmless” bystanders and completely off limits in any combat. The radical terrorists, practicing the “Religion of Peace”, as it is referred to by the politically correct in charge of leading us in this war declared on the West, do not so consider it to be. To Jihadist’s, it is a holy call to arms. A call to subjugate or destroy all nonbelievers. It is a war which has been declared against all of humanity (not just the West) that either does not believe as they do or submit to their will. They only gain strength and power in their world, by our appearance of weakness, and revel in the throat-slitting, baby-killing, Mosque; Church; Synagogue; Temple; Alter desecration and marketplace bombings, as well as the suicide killings of any and everyone in or around such places committed by these vermin who hide behind women’s skirts (or burkah’s (sic)) and set up rocket launchers in or next to Mosques, schools and hospitals, et cetera.

    The only difference between Christianity and Islam (other than the fact that Jesus and Mohammed were about as polar opposite as “Prophets” as one could get) is the fact that Christianity has undergone it’s Reformation during the Age of Enlightenment and Islam has not. And It never will until it’s so-called moderate coreligionists get over their extremely real fear of retribution and scourge the fanatics from their midst. Thus far, unfortunately, they seem “under motivated” to do so. It appears that without a very real consequence for their immoderate inaction, they will remain ineffectively on the sidelines, awaiting to see who will win so they may claim loudly and enthusiastically, they were with them all along. I, for one, intend it to be us and not the barbarians who are on the winning side. As I’ve noted before: “If you want to know what life would be like under a Caliphate, ask an Armenian”.

    Addendum:
    In a recent posting of this commentary I was gently taken to task for conflating Islam with Christianity by someone’s reply, as if I viewed both as being strictly religions only (which Christianity has primarily become since the Reformation), whereas Islam is, strictly speaking, not just a religion, but a Socio-Religious-Political System. I wrote what I did in a manner to try and breach the western mindset’s fog of presumption that, “Everyone basically wants the same things we do, so all we have to do is try to reach out a little harder with kindness to win them over to our “Enlightened” mindset of tolerance.

    This was my response:
    Er, I know all this. I also know that the western mind (developed over the past three to four millennia) is reticent to accept the reality of the middle eastern religio-political thought process and mindset. A process and mindset that has, I might add, been subtly refined on the surface (the “Two Faced” part) but reenforced and ingrained to achieve one goal – total domination – over the past millennia and a half.

    My grandparents on my father’s side came to this country to escape the tender mercies of the Ottoman Empire back around the turn of the last century. They acculturated, had and raised three children here and insisted on speaking only English and practicing American customs (except, of course, for some of the food) in their home. They never taught their children, and my cousins and I never were raised, to hate the sons and grandsons of those who murdered 1½ million Armenians. After all, it wasn’t their fault what their parents or grandparents did. All that changed for me on September 11, 2001.

    There is only one way for this to be over and, as I noted before, I intend for us – Western Civilization – to be on the wining side. What-Ever-It-Takes. Harsh? Yes. Vital? Absolutely!

    • Beth says

      Apr 19, 2015 at 5:19 am

      “Christianity has undergone it’s Reformation during the Age of Enlightenment”

      I beg to differ on that one point Myron, and I wouldn’t mention it if it weren’t important.

      The orginal letters of the Apostles are what make up the New Testament. Nothing was ever changed in them, during any time, since they were written. And the Koran is still preaching the same as its beginning also.

      The orginal messages of both were always polar oppsites – right from their very beginnings

      Also important to know: There is not one single sentnce that exists in the New Testament – that teaches humans to be violent with each other. Not one. In fact, there are many sentences that teach the complete opposite.

      The hope that the Koran can be “revised” is a futal one. It can not be done – without destroying Islam altogether (which, would make me the happiest person in the world – if that were to happen).

      Islam’s days are numbered:

      Exo 15:14

      The people shall hear, and be afraid: sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palestina (first person to have ever mentioned that name – was Moses. Also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls – Hebrew spelling: “Pelesheth”).

      Isa 14:31

      Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times (this day is coming. This will also bring down Islam – and their koran).

      If your goal is to reach a wide audiance Myron (and I hope you do) – these facts are important to make a note of.

  29. RickMT says

    Apr 13, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    The NRA continues to advertise firearms made in Turkey. Turkey is nothing but a funnel for ISIS terrorists coming and going to kill infidels. Let them know this is wrong, and tell them to stop it.

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