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US Muslim: “Cursed secular laws are worse than the laws of Islam”

Apr 9, 2015 10:31 pm By Robert Spencer

Joshua-Ray-Van-Haften--most-recent--jpgThis is not just a view that Muslims who try to join the Islamic State hold. It is much more mainstream than that. But one wonders — where did this convert to Islam learn this in Wisconsin? Was he “radicalized on the Internet” — the all-purpose phrase that government and law enforcement officials use to absolve themselves of any responsibility to investigate what is being taught in mosques?

More on this story. “Another American Charged With Attempted Islamic State Support,” IPT News, April 9, 2015:

A 34-year-old man from Madison, Wisc. was arrested Wednesday and charged with attempting to provide material support to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

Joshua Ray Van Haften‘s arrest at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport marks at least the 11th case of Americans charged with trying to join or help the Islamic State in 2015….

According to an FBI affidavit, Van Haften wanted to travel to into Syria via Turkey to wage jihad with ISIL forces. Turkey’s 248-mile open border with Syria provides an attractive point of entry for several jihadi wannabes seeking to join the Islamic State.Van Haften posted and “liked” radical comments on his Facebook page, the affidavit said. While in Turkey last October, he posted, “It’s calling, I can smell it’s [sic] perfume! Allah!!!” The post linked to a “Tour of Jannah Paradise video” by now-deceased radical Yemeni cleric Anwar al Awlaki. The video “describes what paradise looked like for worthy Muslims who went there in the afterlife.” Awlaki’s teachings have inspired several Westerners to wage terrorist attacks.

Van Haften was also Facebook “friends” with extremists, including Adouw At-Taghout who lived in Raqqah, Syria, an ISIL stronghold. At-Taghout posted a photo showing the Islamic State’s beheading of American journalist James Foley. Haften commented on the post: “Yet, their cursed secular laws are worse than the laws of Islam, and they want to say Shari’ah is worse than their secular laws. A bunch of morons sucking on melons … If the goddam Americans and sons of satan, Israeil [sic] wanna mutilate the dead, s*** we get an eye for an eye fool. Grow a set of nuts! Climb that f***in tree and getcha some.”

Van Haften left for Turkey last August but ran out money and his jihadi handlers abandoned him before he could meet up with the Islamic State….Another man who was “totally against Dawlah” [a reference to the Islamic State], helped fund Haften’s way back into Turkey….

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  1. Jay Airahs says

    Apr 9, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    The FBI needs to buy cases of glue-on scraggly beards, Islamic Man-dresses and apply head-bump tattoos to their undercover informants because what they are doing now is not working good enough.

    • mortimer says

      Apr 10, 2015 at 9:26 am

      They look like werewolves, they think like werewolves and act like werewolves…they are werewolves.

      • gravenimage says

        Apr 11, 2015 at 1:04 am

        All hilarious. He also bears a disturbing resemblance to Larry of the Three Stooges if he had “reverted”. The Stooges were positively civilized compared to these barbarians, of course.

  2. Westman says

    Apr 9, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    “Van Haften left for Turkey last August but ran out money and his jihadi handlers abandoned him before he could meet up with the Islamic State…”

    Abandoned!, by the brothers for being broke? Say What? Is this the start of the Islamic “Jihad Coyote” business? Is this the replacement for lost tourism?

    Q. How much to get to the ISIS fronts?
    A. How much ya’ got?

    More ideas on secular law:

    “Islam cannot accept that a group of people congregate and decide to initiate laws for themselves” (1 Oct. 1993) – Ayatolla Mesbah Yazdi (Iran)

    • cs says

      Apr 10, 2015 at 2:24 am

      They got fed up of the white brother crazy loony.

    • bernie says

      Apr 10, 2015 at 3:36 am

      Although most U.S., European, Russian, Canadian, Australian, and new Zealand laws are secular,much of their contents are based on Judeo-Christian principles, which incidentally many Muslims also claim to be inspired by. This may be true in many cases, but certainly not for the murderous extremists.

    • Mirren10 says

      Apr 10, 2015 at 10:53 am

      Westman says;

      ”Abandoned!, by the brothers for being broke? Say What? Is this the start of the Islamic “Jihad Coyote” business? Is this the replacement for lost tourism?”

      Yes, I noticed this also.

      Curious, isn’t it, that being **abandoned** by his ‘bros’ didn’t lead him to think again about his ‘conversion’. Probably because he would have done exactly the same thing, and thinks this sort of betrayal is quite normal. Which, of course, it is, if one is a mohammedan.

  3. Billy Corr says

    Apr 9, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    A generation ago, danged people like this relocated to white supremacist survivalist communes in Idaho, now they scamper off to join Islamic State.

    If the U.S. Army is part of welfare provision for the otherwise-unemployable, Islamic State fullfils much the same function for the mentally challenged.

  4. Billy Corr says

    Apr 9, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    A vile typo; *deranged* became *danged* like the speech mode of the weird old buy with a beard on Bugs Bunny.

    It makes sense in an odd way.

  5. voegelinian says

    Apr 10, 2015 at 1:15 am

    Is that a picture of Justin…? 🙂

    • Champ says

      Apr 10, 2015 at 2:12 am

      That’s hilarious!! I had the *same* thought, voeg; since “justin” has stated similar things on JW! 😀

    • duh_swami says

      Apr 10, 2015 at 7:16 am

      Picture of Justin? You do have a sense of humor after all. better knock that off or you will ruin your reputation…Just kidding…

    • Jay Airahs says

      Apr 10, 2015 at 1:52 pm

      It might be, but then again — Justin’s last name might be prayer carpet kisser Trudeau

  6. Oregano says

    Apr 10, 2015 at 3:02 am

    What is this ignoramus doing in the US? Why doesn’t he go to one of the islamic hellholes?

    • Kim Bruce says

      Apr 10, 2015 at 8:38 am

      Well, he did try to go to one of those Islamic hellholes but he got rejected.

  7. DP111 says

    Apr 10, 2015 at 7:18 am

    Was he “radicalized on the Internet” — the all-purpose phrase that government and law enforcement officials use to absolve themselves of any responsibility to investigate what is being taught in mosques?

    That excuse also provides a reason to monitor and control the internet. The Internet is one medium where there still is some freedom of speech. Such a freedom is anthema to politicians.

  8. mortimer says

    Apr 10, 2015 at 9:35 am

    Van Haften is an example of what 65% Muslims say they want: a caliphate under strict Sharia. He hates the US constitution: ““Yet, their cursed secular laws are worse than the laws of Islam, and they want to say Shari’ah is worse than their secular laws.”

    So what is Van Haften’s alternative? An American emirate? He will no doubt be the emir and issue edicts while not occupied with his 10,000 harem slaves.

    Yeah, sure. That sure beats the US governmental system. These jihadists are dangerous and should be segregated from infecting others in special prisons.

    Intelligence services need to prepare materials to deprogram Muslims from this Death Cult. Islam per se is the problem, not ‘extremism’. There simply is no ‘good Islam’. All versions of Islam are totalitarian.

  9. Newcon says

    Apr 10, 2015 at 11:27 am

    Could this be the guy that attacked Harry Reid?

  10. Oliver says

    Apr 10, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    If this anal pore like the “Laws (?) of Islam”ore then secular laws, well there are 57 Muslim countries. Wouldn’t (plus Gaza, and the West Bank) . Couldn’t he find one that would take him in?

  11. abad says

    Apr 10, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    The absolute truth?

    Were Van Haften to travel to Syria, he’d end up beheaded by ISL.

    End of story.

    • moneekwa says

      Apr 12, 2015 at 11:56 pm

      honestly, look at the guy. do you think he’s able to get a date? he no doubt heard there were willing goats in syria, and that would help him in this life, and in the next there are all those virgins, with big boobs, and don’t forget the young boys cast among them like pearls.

      i’m not saying that being undateable is a reason to radicalize (any more than lack of a job), but for this bad of a loser, it might have been the best chance he could see for getting some.

  12. Thomasson says

    Apr 12, 2015 at 11:42 am

    All the white converts to Islam are not looking for a new god, nor for a new religion as in ideology that fit’s they point of view. They are primerly looking for a licence to kill. The atrocities of ISIS in Syria and Iraq are triggering the imagination of those pathological psychopats. They see Islam as a computeer game played in reality. They can feel themselves as “somebody” special and enjoy directly the murder of humanbeings and kill them on the spot; even little children. Personally I think the authorities have to regard these people more as dangerous pathological psychopats than Jihadi converts and put them directly for life in a closed loony bin.

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