Well, this is reassuring — and we’ve certainly never heard it before! There’s just one catch (well, maybe a few catches): note, first of all, that Ahmidiyya leader Shahzad Amjad, at least as far as this story goes, doesn’t offer a single specific example of how the Islamic State is misrepresenting the teachings of the Qur’an and Muhammad. Second, it is risible for Amjad to present himself as a representative of mainstream Islam, when the Ahmadiyya represent no more than three percent of Muslims worldwide, and are violently persecuted as heretics by Sunni Muslims in Pakistan and Indonesia. In Pakistan, they’re not even allowed legally to proclaim themselves as Muslims. Amjad, like his far cleverer and more sinister brethren Qasim Rashid and Haris Zafar, is carrying water for those who oppress his people by misleading Americans into complacency about the nature and magnitude of the threat they pose.
“Muslim group in Tempe pushes back against ISIS extremism,” by Garrett Mitchell, The Republic, May 30, 2015 (thanks to Darcy):
The Valley chapter of a Muslim youth advocacy group hosted a seminar in Tempe on Saturday examining the religion of Islam and how it differs from the radical and violent activities of terrorist groups.
Saturday’s seminar, “Stop the CrISIS,” aimed to address religious extremism as well as combat intolerance and ignorance. Nearly 60 people participated.
The seminar’s purpose was to show the difference between mainstream Islam and radicals who “represent a small minority” of a religion that promotes peace and tolerance, said Shahzad Amjad, president of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association’s Phoenix chapter.
Notice once again that the focus was on convincing non-Muslims of this, not on convincing young Muslims that the teachings of the Islamic State were wrong. All the talk about the Phoenix protest and “bigotry” takes on a new light when one remembers that two adherents of the Islamic State, Ibrahim Simpson and Nadir Soofi, tried to commit mass murder at our free speech event in Texas — and they were from Phoenix, where they were members in good standing at the mosque where the demo was held.
The AMYA is a national group that works with young Muslim men and boys to teach community involvement, spiritual training and provide service opportunities.
After opening with excerpts from the Quran, the calm discussion was a departure from Friday’s contentious anti-Muslim protest, where hundreds of protesters and counterprotesters faced off outside the Islamic Community Center of Phoenix. The protest organizer had urged people to bring weapons and American flags to the mosque during prayer services. Counterprotesters responded by holding signs with phrases such as “Love not Hate.”
Addressing the severe form of sharia law imposed by Islamic State in the territory it controls in Iraq and Syria, Amjad said, “There’s extremists on both sides. We need to look past what they’re (members of Islamic State) doing. They’re using a faith that promotes peace and using it for their own purposes.”
The AMYA periodically hosts such events to educate people on Islam’s views on pressing topics.
In regards to Friday’s protest, Amjad said, “We’re all Americans, and we all need to have a voice when freedoms are threatened. We have an obligation to raise our voices when these things happen.”
Amjad was joined by other AMYA members and Valley government and police representatives as well as advocates and allies of Valley Muslims.
Josh Prather, a pastor at Redemption Church and an evangelical Christian, spoke at the event. He said having relationships with “neighbors who are unlike us” can help others understand and accept religious differences.
“We have to be a voice for the voiceless,” Prather said. “One of the most important things is to humanize people who have been dehumanized.”
Amjad Mahmood Khan, a Los Angeles-based attorney and the national director of public affairs for the AMYA, said Friday’s demonstration was intended to provoke Muslims during their day of prayer.
“Those who were there had the legal right to be there, but should they have done it? That’s a moral question,” Khan said. “The ability to provoke should not be taken lightly.”
Khan also spoke of the prophet Mohammed’s teachings, touching on the stark contrast between the Islamic State and the teachings of mainstream Islam.
“The Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam,” he said. “Everything Mohammed stood for is the opposite of what they do — he condemned violence.”…
Don McKellar says
_______________ doesn’t offer a single specific example of how the Islamic State is misrepresenting the teachings of the Qur’an and Muhammad.
Fill in the blank.
ConanKong says
If ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, then it isn’t Islamophobia to condemn them.
Sabri S. says
Of course true Islam condemns the slaughter of innocents…
I have been saying this for years, and scholars agree…only in
Wartime, and only in defence of the Ummah, could these attacks
By isis be condoned. The middle east is at war, courtesy of
The us government and military. Make No mistake about it,
I sis will drive out America from the middle east eventually…after
The fall of Iraq and syria, Jordan and libya will be next. The remaining
Jihad groups will then merge and march on jer u Salem after defeating
The last American puppet left – Israel. You heard it here first.
America out of the middle east by aNY means necessary!!! And use
That $25 billion wasted every year to do something good for the
World.
Don McKellar says
But “true” Islam is always at war with the world — until everybody is a moslem, that’s what the Koran commands — so the slaughter of innocents is always justified under Islam. Not only that, but any time somebody determines that the people in his area isn’t following “true” Islam, he is once again justified to start murdering innocents. And so we see mosque bombings in Saudi Arabia of shi’ites by sunnis.
I suppose when your as neck deep in the insanity of Islam, you can’t step out and get a view of the reality of how evil it really it is, can you Sabri S. ?
Joseph says
@ Sabri S. “And use
That $25 billion wasted every year to do something good for the
World.”
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Why don’t you do something goo for the world and recognize JESUS CHRIST for who he REALLY is, the Son of GOD, savior of the world who died on the cross for your sins, yes your sins too.
If you fail to do so you WILL be tormented in hell, wishing you had.
YOU ARE BLINDED BY ISLAM AND YOUR “MOHAMMED(MHTBC) May his testicles be crushed
Joseph says
Why don’t you do something goo
something GOOD
VRWC member77 says
“Of course true Islam condemns the slaughter of innocents…”
According to Islam: Innocents = non-muslims
“Of course true Islam condemns the slaughter of (non-muslims)…”
and your point is….?
VRWC member77 says
Why can’t I edit my comment?
“Of course true Islam condemns the slaughter of innocents…”
According to Islam: Muslims = Innocents
non-Muslims = not innocent
“Of course true Islam -does not- condemn the slaughter of -those who are not- innocents…”
clarification…….
mgoldberg says
Why yes… of course. Except of course, in all those places where they simply enslave non muslims, rape them, kill some, burn them out of their churches, refuse any discussion about What Mohammed stated, did and said… and of course continue to claim it’s….. all just defensive.
Which means that muslims feel they have the right to rule, to be untouched and unquestioned.
And anyone who does, is worthy of death.
Yeah… we get it.
Western Canadian says
Isn’t it amazing what 1400 years of inbreeding does….. Add in the shabbiest and most vicious and hate filled miss-education in all of human history, ant this is the sickening and dishonest drivel that is the result:
“Sabri S. says
May 31, 2015 at 12:53 pm
Of course true Islam condemns the slaughter of innocents…
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But defines ‘innocents’ only as fellow muslims of the same sect and same brain dead inclinations, behavior and criminal activities…. True innocents are to be beaten, raped, stolen from and murdered by true and devout muslims…..
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I have been saying this for years, and scholars agree…
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You have been repeating this same criminal and insulting lie for years, and Islamic (RTC) ‘scholars’, like you, lie through your teeth about your vicious and criminal hate cult.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
only in
Wartime, and only in defence of the Ummah,
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How convenient that islam (RTC) is ALWAYS at war, attacking stealing, raping, murdering, kidnapping, looting…… and ‘defence’ is any crime committed against any non-muslim who fails to convert when threatened with murder, and will be attacked, stolen from, raped, murdered, kidnapped, and looted from, all in the name of ‘defence’ of the filthy ummah……
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
could these attacks
By isis be condoned.
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islam (RTC) condones any attack committed against any non-muslim….
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The middle east is at war, courtesy of
The us government and military.
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The middle east has been at war long before the US even existed…… all due to the criminal ravings of a psychotic criminal, who probably never even existed…. 280,000 000 plus murders committed by devout muslims, and it is no ones fault other than their own, for being devout muslims.
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Make No mistake about it,
I sis will drive out America from the middle east eventually…
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Silly fool….. if they had just waited, the thug in chief would have pulled them all out…..
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
after
The fall of Iraq and syria, Jordan and libya will be next. The remaining
Jihad groups will then merge and march on jer u Salem
—————————————————————————————–
And when they march (slaughtering each other as they crawl on their bellies like the cowardly murderers they all are) toward the throughout history Jewish city of Jerusalem….. the Jews will slaughter them like the rabid sub animals that they all are, and then these same Jews will then mourn for the lives lost to the criminal cult called islam (RTC)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
after defeating
The last American puppet left – Israel.
—————————————————————————–
Not a puppet, and not going to be defeated by rabble.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You heard it here first.
——————————————————————-
Actually, no, we’ve heard it from criminal loons like you, time and time again.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
America out of the middle east by aNY means necessary!!! And use
That $25 billion wasted every year to do something good for the
World.
——————————————————————–
islam (RTC) out of the entire world, and that 25 billion plus given so stupidly to muslim hell-holes, put to GOOD use by destroying this same hell-holes.
mortimer says
Sabri wrote: “That $25 billion wasted every year to do something good for the World.”
Look, Sabri. Islam is constitutionally at war with everyone and everything. Destroying Islam is good for the world.
Muslims have invited the world to defeat them. Islam is going down. It is a false and useless cult of nonsense.
mortimer says
Sabri, You must be the son and grandson of first cousin marriages. There are SIXTY countries fighting ISIS. Others will join the coalition to destroy them.
Your Islamic sectarianism is a nightmarish catastrophe destroying the earth.
Islam cannot be fixed. It is a constant disaster for every country where it goes.
Mahendra Singh says
Could you recommend to me a book on True Islam ? Also please point out how to guard against false Islam.
I can usually recognize a Good Muslim from a Bad Muslim, but I cannot verbalize it. Sad to say there are a lot of them.
PRCS says
But, as the phrase is used, one would think that extremism–as it relates to Islam–is not just the literalism Allah expects of his every slave (shhhh, don’t cite specific sura’s, please)–but is, rather, somehow, with nary ever an explanation, the act of going beyond the Big Book’s scope to a degree that would have to be understood not as just kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, but kill, kill, kill, kill, kill and kill some more.
Oliver says
Jerusalem WAS JEWISH HUNDREDS OF YEARS, AT LEAST, BEFORE THE SCUMBAG MOHAMMED WAS BORN.
IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE SHITHEADS.
Oliver says
This is to sabri, in response to his rant somewhat above.
Champ says
Good grief “Savage S.lave” your comments couldn’t be any more backwards and jacked up if you tried!
duh_swami says
“Everything Mohammed stood for is the opposite of what they do — he condemned violence.”
That’s right, he was only violent when he was alone or with someone. He pretty much stopped his personal violence when someone hit him in the mouth chipping a tooth. After that, he decided to stay home and protect the women from sexual predators while others went to battle for him…
Jeff says
All they can do is lie. These are the ones who think ISIS tipped their hand too early in its attempt at world domination. The West will be left with no other choice than to expel the fascist theology of Islam once and for all.
Susan says
I am one of the ones who think islam tipped their hand to early. However, If not for ISIS the west could have been blind sided. At least now we know we are at war even if the media wouldn’t report it.
voegelinian says
ISIS only tends to reinforce the TMOE meme. The mainstream West is still digging in to entrench themselves behind this meme, and to protect Islam (that Ethnic World Religion which is the culturally enriching worldview of over a billion diverse Muslims Who Just Wanna Have a Sandwich) from ISIS (that Tiny Minority of Extremists (TMOE).
Operation Business As Usual.
The Counter-Jihad would be wise to remind itself just how doggedly resilient is the fantasy world of the Politically Correct Multi-Culturalists of the West, who remain dominant and mainstream all around us, and include not merely Dastardly Elites but also, like Stepford Wives, all the smiling, sunny, decent, intelligent neighbors, friends and family in our life.
Linde Barrera says
Mr. SHAHZAD AMJAD is using this clever strategy: “If you tell a lie often enough, sombody will believe it, and then pass it on.”
mortimer says
Agree. The fallacy is called the Argument by Assertion…in other words, no evidence is provided to support the claim.
Islam is a perfect case of Argument by Assertion and Ahmadi Muslims take it even further.
Ahmadis are all professional liars, because they start by telling everyone they represent real Islam, when they only represent their 19th century reincarnation of Mohammed. He only ASSERTED his claims without providing any evidence besides his say-so…just like Mohammed.
PRCS says
The article’s author certainly has bought into it.
“The Valley chapter of a Muslim youth advocacy group hosted a seminar in Tempe on Saturday examining the religion of Islam and how it differs from the radical and violent activities of terrorist groups.”
That’s not a quote from one of that organization’s organizers–it’s how the article’s author has described the event.
“Addressing the severe form of sharia law”–as opposed to the moderate form?
Of course, here’s the lie the Muslims were selling:
“to show the difference between mainstream Islam and radicals who “represent a small minority” of a religion that promotes peace and tolerance”
Did the author even for a moment realize that, by with that line the promoters admitted that those so-called “radicals” ARE members of “the faith”.
Simply put, the difference between mainstream Islam and that “tiny minority of extremists” is the degree to which Individual Muslims not only believe the big lie but the lengths to which they will go to comply with it’s man-made teachings, commands and demands.
Is this “extremism” or compliance with Qur’an 5:38?
http://tinyurl.com/pnzgwvd
mgoldberg says
I remember years ago reading some of jalal-al-din-Rumi’s poems. Ecstatic love poems of faith, as it were.
And way back then, I assumed it was simply all the same expression from difference ‘faiths’.
Later, I would find out that Rumi had no problems with Mohammed, his history nor anything he taught. So reading that and the ecstatic ‘love’ poems I realized that ecstacy is overrated, and decency and honor are
really worth the price of ‘belief’. That the destruction of others, as is now occurring is entering the stage where they ‘ecstatically’ declare their ‘umma’ and without shame, but rather the shameless denial of culpability for the tortures, slaughters, enslavements, tyranny et al, is simply all part of the political tyranny of the religion of mo’.
voegelinian says
Another famous Sufi mystic, Al-Hallaj, had an ecstatic vision at the moment of his death in 922 A.D. in Iraq (his death hastened by the brutal torture of Sunni Muslims who accused him of blasphemy).
And what was this Sufi mystic’s vision at the moment of his death? A spiritually fervent expectation of the great day when the great Christian city of Constantinople would be conquered by Muslims!
As recounted by historians Christian Destremau and Jean Morcelon (see my essay, The Conquest of Constantinople: A Jihad Planned in Prayer for Centuries — http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2007/11/conquest-of-constantinople-jihad.html).
Red Bee says
A problem with a rally such as in Phoenix is it always backfires.
“Amjad Mahmood Khan, a Los Angeles-based attorney and the national director of public affairs for the AMYA, said Friday’s demonstration was intended to provoke Muslims during their day of prayer.”
“Those who were there had the legal right to be there, but should they have done it? That’s a moral question,” Khan said. “The ability to provoke should not be taken lightly.”
That is a very slick one. In the Netherlands the latest trick of Islam is to organize conferences and invite radical (Salafist) preachers. The local politicians get upset, they want to forbid this by refusing visa, for example, and discover they can’t under Dutch law – the organizers then cancel the invitations because of “unrest” showing how concerned and moderate they are (which they are not of course; they invited them in the first place. But the politicians are too stupid to recognize this play).
The real reason of course is they will appeal to the politicians’ sense of responsibility when someone like Pamela Geller or Robert Spencer is invited to speak in the Netherlands. In this way they effectively shut up the opposition and undermine free speech and the jihad can go on.
voegelinian says
We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t — and this dilemma is 100% the fault of all the Westerners who refuse to condemn Islam and condemn all Muslims who enable Islam (leaving the abstruse ontological problem of which Muslims don’t enable Islam up to metaphysicians who don’t have anything better to do with their time). Given this, the Counter-Jihad should stop wringing its hands and walking on eggshells worried whether the PC MC Mainstream likes us or not: Barrel ahead Breitbartianly: Damn the Mainstream: Full Speed Ahead!
Spencer and Geller, meanwhile, have mastered the fine art of walking on eggshells while affecting to be robustly counter-jihad — with one hand trumpeting their bravery in Garland, with the other hand fastidiously pushing away the cooties they might catch from the Phoenix bikers (reminiscent of how they treated Vlaams Belang years ago).
voegelinian says
P.S.: My point is that the Spencer & Geller strategy is not working: the Mainstream treats them the same as they would treat the more seemingly boorish Phoenix bikers: Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. This has been painfully evident for years; yet the Counter-Jihad continues to pretend it’s not.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“P.S.: My point is that the Spencer & Geller strategy is not working: the Mainstream treats them the same as they would treat the more seemingly boorish Phoenix bikers: Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.”
Where did Spencer and Pamela stated that was their strategy?
voegelinian says
Of course, the “not working” in my comment refers to the specific strategy I was talking about — to wit, the strategy of carefully comporting ourselves lest the PC MC think we are boorish, greasy Islamophobes. It doesn’t work because the PC MC considers all criticism of Islam, no matter how mannerly and dignified it may comport itself, to be a boorish, greasy, bigoted, racist Islamophobia. It seems silly then, to keep on shaving and getting a haircut and dressing up for the PC MC, when they’ll just keep on treating us like some slob in a holey t-shirt and ragged jeans and barefoot anyway…
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Of course, the “not working” in my comment refers to the specific strategy I was talking about — to wit, the strategy of carefully comporting ourselves lest the PC MC think we are boorish, greasy Islamophobes.”
You mean, the strategy you’re arbitrarily attributing to Robert and Pamela without ever explaining where they claimed that was their strategy. No, you just say that’s their strategy and that it’s not working because a) strawmaning is your shtick and b) you need to make other look bad to make yourself look good.
Fun fact about the origin of the term “greasy islamophobe”. Robert explained in a video that he could not take credit for that expression, the person who coined the term was a muslima who, in email exchanges, kept referring to him as a “greasy islamophobe”.
And, of course, your “explanation” fails for the reason Robert said on another topic:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/jihadis-dont-show-up-at-phoenix-mosque-protest-so-no-one-gets-hurt/comment-page-1#comment-1245774
“in this case, the fact is, I was not involved in this event, and so I could not say otherwise. And I found it noteworthy that despite our obvious non-involvement, the media tried to link us to the event. That is all.”
Let me spell that out for you, voeg. Robert and Pan don’t need to “carefully comport themselves lest the PC MC thinks they are boorish, greasy Islamophobes” because, as far as the PC MC MSM is concerned, they are the face of islamophobia, so much so that they tried to link Robert to an event deemed as “anti-islam” even though Robert, Pamela or the AFDI had nothing to do with it. By all evidence available to us, Robert and Pam are the people “moderate” critics of islam try to distance themselves from, not the other way around.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Spencer and Geller, meanwhile, have mastered the fine art of walking on eggshells while affecting to be robustly counter-jihad — with one hand trumpeting their bravery in Garland, with the other hand fastidiously pushing away the cooties they might catch from the Phoenix bikers”
So, voeg, were Spencer and Pamela invited to the even in Phoenix and declined the invitation? If not, what you just said makes no sense whatsoever.
Jaladhi says
Yeah right, ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. Maybe then Quran has nothing to do with Islam and Muslims have nothing to do with Quran – hmm….doesn’t ISIS follow Quran?? Case closed – the usual Muslim lies whenever the truth about Islam is exposed!!
PRCS says
The Big Lie there is that Muslims and their apologists/enablers consistently assert that so-called “extremists” are NOT following the Qur’an.
They get away with that because they are not challenged–with appropriate passages–on the spot.
mortimer says
Whenever Ahmadis speak, they start by lying. Then they build a sandcastle on top of the lie.
Grumpyoldguy says
Mohammad said – “I am the prophet who laughs while killing my enemies.”
Muslims follow the insane ramblings of an illiterate mass murderer. Period.
Muslims can try and spin that fact any way they want, but it doesn’t change its veracity one iota…
Jaladhi says
>“The Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam,” he said. “Everything Mohammed stood for is the opposite of what they do — he condemned violence.”…
He should read Hadiths and Sira to find out how many murders, rapes , lootings(getting 20% of the loot for allah and himself) his favorite prophet Mo/allah did in his “career” of leader of the cult!!
Did Mo/allah ever condemn violence or it is just a figment of Muslim imagination!! Seems more like the latter!!
PRCS says
“He should read Hadiths and Sira”
Of course, he has: he’s hoping the rest of us haven’t.
Jaladhi says
Oh these Ahmadiyas are so desperate to join the cut when in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, …are not even considered Muslim!! And they are pretending to speak for all Muslims inspite of that!! They are certainly delusional about Islam and Muslims but then they fit well with the rest of the Muslims!!
More Ham Ed says
…radicals who “represent a small minority”
It’s been awhile since I posted this, but I’ll do so again for JW visitors. This is not the only statistic around, but it’s a very stark one.
The unholy ‘quran is 100% radical and 99.9% of Muslims read it. I wonder if believing in the death penalty for leaving Islam is considered radical. Even the nothing-wrong-with-Islam Pew Forum states the following about Sharia.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
Penalty for Converting to Another Faith – The percentage that believe this is 67.60% based on ten Muslim majority countries in the Middle East, South Asia and North Africa. Based on the Muslim population of those countries, that results in 353 million people (at a minimum) who currently believe in the death penalty for leaving Islam.
JamesonRocks says
So, let me get this straight… Islam isn’t Islam? Hmmm…
Stardusty Psyche says
The Ahmadiyya actually have a basis for their “nothing to do with Islam” assertion.
They have their own Qur’an which has been carefully edited and cleansed. Here is their version of 33:61
http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=864®ion=EN
Here is everybody else’s
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=33&verse=61
So, the Ahmadiyya have re-interpreted the entire Qur’an and published their own version that simply gets rid of things like “seized and massacred completely”.
If one first accepts the Ahmadiyya translation then Shahzad Amjad isn’t quite so much of a liar.
PRCS says
But, a liar nonetheless.
Zimriel says
What PRCS said.
In our Judaeo-Christian world, Christians and Jews can come together and agree on the base text of the Hebrew Bible – their disagreements are entirely on interpretation (their assignment of this or that book to Prophets or Writings falls under interpretation). But if I’m a Jehovah’s Witness or an old-school Mormon with the Joseph Smith revision, then I lose the right to say anything about the Bible’s original intent. You can’t jump in claiming a new prophetic dispensation and rewrite everything. If you do that you might as well be a, well, Muslim.
And Muslims would say the same about the Ahmadiyya. If they’re going to rewrite the Qur’an, they might as well be Jews with their tahrif against Allah’s intended Torah. (By Muslim logic.)
Ahmadis cannot speak for Muslims and their Qur’an with honesty. This is closed to them, like arguing about the Torah is closed to Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Wellington says
The more you post, Stardusty Psyche, the more I think you are not what you pretend to be. You keep exculpating things which should not be exculpated, as here, and you draw a moral equivalency between Judaism, Christianity and Islam by way of excoriating all of them as false even though such an assertion is irrelevant to any combatting of Islam’s specific designs on all of humanity.
Let me put it to you more plainly. I think you are either a fool or something worse. At first I thought you a fool. No longer. I have now opted for “worse.”
Champ says
At first I thought you a fool. No longer. I have now opted for “worse.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ahaha!!! …good one, Wells! 😀
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Wellington,
Ok, but what did I say that wasn’t true?
Did you read the links?
I have chatted with the Ahmadiyya folks. They seem to have a well funded site and people staffed to directly engage the public. We went back and forth because their translation takes the word “beat” out of 4:34.
I mean, I went on and on with this guy, I copied him the whole list of translations from
http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=34
and it was like talking to a brainwash victim or something.
Those guys have their own little sect, their own whitewashed re-translation of the Qur’an and they live in their own theological bubble.
This comes up from time to time on the news in the form of going to some Ahmadiyya cleric and getting the whitewashed version of Islam.
This is what happened with the statement posted here today. I am a bit surprised Robert Spencer did not draw the distinction himself, because he knows about a million times more than I do about Islamic scholarship.
So, I don’t know who or what you think you have deduced about me and I really don’t care.
This is just kind of a heads up to where the Ahmadiyya get their Islamic theology from.
We would all be a whole lot better off if the original Qur’an actually said what the whitewashed Ahmadiyya Qur’an says, but, unfortunately IS and all the rest surly consider the Ahmadiyya to be Westernized Murtad.apostates worthy only of a death sentence.
Wellington says
I would refer you to the May 27th article at JW on Qasim Rashid, with Robert Spencer posting an article by Pamela Geller at Breibart. Reading the comments to this article I would recommend as well since many of them are spot on. The Ahmadiyya are whitewashers of Islam and are simply not reliable. Learn.
MILEAWAY says
Taqiyya. Always Taqiyya from these people. Lies and obfuscation to hide their real agenda which is the overthrowing of America. There is NO place for Islam in America.
Taqiyyah/Taqīyah) is a form of religious dissimulation, or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts, specially while they are in fear or at risk of significant persecution.
There is NO place for Islam in America. Islam is a threat to America and the world. It is the sole intent of Islam in America to usurp and control our country. There has NEVER been world peace as long as Isalm has survived and the NEVER will be world peace as long as Islam survives. Over a thousand years of BARBARIC Islamic history proves this to be true. Islam has killed HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of INNOCENT people in the name of Muhammed and Islam. The absolute definitions of Religion and Cult express Islam is without a doubt a MURDEROUS CULT by all definition and should be eradicated.
Islam is a cult the same as Jim Jones, the Rev. Moon and all the other nutcases. The difference here is Islam is a much more violent cult well established in breaking every law of “Crimes Against Humanity” and should be prosecuted by the World Court. The United Nations should bring ALL Islamic Countries CONDONING, SUPPORTING or ALLOWING these atrocities to happen up on charges of “Crimes Against Humanity”!!
What are crimes against humanity?
According to the International Criminal Court aka ICC, “Crimes Against Humanity” include any of the following acts committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:
murder;
extermination;
enslavement;
deportation or forcible transfer of population;
imprisonment;
torture;
rape,
sexual slavery,
enforced prostitution,
forced pregnancy,
enforced sterilization,
or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
persecution against an identifiable group on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious or gender grounds;
enforced disappearance of persons;
the crime of apartheid;
other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering or serious bodily or mental injury.
ALL of these are known practices of ANY and ALL Islamic countries!
When speaking of Islam you have to consider the world appears to be looking at Islam as a righteous religion of peace and all jihadist attacks are done by “radical” Islamists.
NOTHING could be so far from the truth.
In actuality, the terrorisim is being committed through the “norm” of Islam as it is written in the Quran and the so called “moderate muslims” are really “the radicals” by not adhering to the Quran as written, preached and practiced. Islam by it’s own nature is a “Hate Crime”. Why do the “Moderate” Muslims stand by and watch as the “Radical” Muslims slaughter millions of innocent people?
The answer is clear.
“Moderate” Muslims practice the very same religion as the “Radical” Muslim.
They gather by the hundreds and thousands to watch those that carry out their barbaric religious rituals to cleanse their society of the non-believers and offenders of their faith.
There is NO difference between a “Radical Muslim and a “Moderate” Muslim. Other than one is the jury and one is the executioner!
Muslims of ALL sects can not stand by in utter agreement and observance without shared responsibility and guilt!
That realization puts a whole new light on the truth doesn’t it? It sure does.
Oliver says
But the Useless nations, which in one of their many money sucking groups or divisions- for the one dealing with women’s rights, PUT IRAN, WHICH RANKED 6TH FROM THE BOTTOM–OF 150 NATIONS–ON THE COMMISSION FOR WOMEN’S RIGHTS.
SO, HOW COULD IRAN, AN ISLAMIC PILE OF GARBAGE ( WITH OIL) BE GUILTY OF CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY>? (sarc)
Angemon says
Mainstream islam – islamic state. “Radicals” who represent a small minority – ahmadiyya.
On that same line of thinking: the Duracell Bunny has nothing to do with Duracell. Bee honey has nothing to do with bees. Chicken eggs have nothing to do with chickens.
He condemned violence against him and his gang. He promoted violence against everyone who was not part of his gang.
bobm says
they enfold themselves like shape shifting vampires under their lying covering …; as the crowd stands and examines them; then later when the moon is full .. after the blood slaughters of eid ; they take to the night air on wings of darkness….. … They HATE the LIGHT of Life in Christ Jesus … Trust in HIM…..The Lamb Of God >…..the SON..
Jack Diamond says
No, it’s the Ahmadiyya who “have nothing to do with Islam” not the Islamic State or the 97% of Muslims who believe in the actual Qur’an and Sunnah. Except to the degree these “heretics” run interference for real Islam by deceiving the kuffar and concealing real Islam from them. We sure get a disproportionate number of them in our media promoted as spokesmen for the Muslims and that is not an accident.
Jack Diamond says
supposed to have been a reply to Stardusty Psyche
Stardusty Psyche says
Jack Diamond
“No, it’s the Ahmadiyya who “have nothing to do with Islam””
I love that!!!
Yes, much better put than my piece, well said indeed.
I;m not sure most people know what you mean though. That is why I included 2 contrasting links.
Theo says
Nothing to see here. Move along. Nothing to see.
Rob says
The one bright note is that this is a Muslim saying this.
Usually it is Presidents, Prime Ministers and District Attorneys of secular states which are nominally Christian and as far as I know totally unqualified to comment on ANY religion, if not actually barred from pronouncing on religious motivation or background.
Agent of Liberty says
Taqiyya Mouth! Americans need to know this word. TAQUIYYA
Myxlplik says
http://www.ibtimes.com/muslims-asked-about-martyrdom-religion-us-border-officials-entry-ports-1941865
Interesting article about border screening
Ah Clem says
Good article! I noticed the way the questions were asked was religion-neutral.
“Have you participated in any formal religious training or schooling?”
“What house of worship do you attend?”
“Do you have any relatives or friends who have been martyred fighting in the defense of your beliefs?”
By claiming that these religion-neutral questions are explicitly targeting Muslims, CAIR is implicitly admitting that Islam is uniquely violent. If all religions were equally violent, then CAIR’s claim could not be valid.
HM says
As the saying goes, “the devil is in the details”. As in most advertisements, there is the “fine print”.
vlparker says
ISIS has nothing to do with islam. And Sunnis and Shias have nothing to do with islam. Mohammad had nothing to do with islam. Islam has nothing to do with islam. It’s all a figment of our imaginations.
Ah Clem says
vlparker wrote:
“Islam has nothing to do with islam.”
Exactly! Islam is un-Islamic! Or as Pat Condell said, “[Islam is] the religion that has nothing to do with itself”.
Douglas Sydney Australia says
Radio 612 ABC Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Steve Austin the Mornings Host has recently made a statement that Osama Bin Laden was an “honored and respected” sheik and that the report about his possessing pornography must be a “smear” which I assume he was referring to the Obama Administration and the US Military.
This is what we have come to expect from our taxpayer funded self appointed propagandists at the ABC. The Australian ABC has a charter that is supposed to ensure fairness and balance.
Reported by the Bolt Report http://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/the-bolt-report/2015/5/31
tilda says
Also in Australia:
Australian Muslims in trauma over politics of ‘war on terror’, forum hears
Islamic Council of Victoria’s president tells anti-racism forum proposed laws to allow the immigration minister to revoke citizenship were aimed at Muslims
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/may/31/australian-muslims-in-trauma-over-politics-of-war-on-terror-forum-hears
Truth says
Never trust anything any Muslim says. It’s acceptable in the Koran to tell lies to non Muslims.
Huck Folder says
DOUBLE that for Ahmadis. REAL moslems piss on them (or kill them) and they piss on “People of the Book” and kaffirs.
They have NO problems with mo’s personal genocide of Jews.
Bigots and hypocrites, just with a thicker layer of wool than the average wolf.
Let any of them reading this deny it.
William Lucas Harvey Jr. says
“Arizona Muslim group: “The Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam”
Yup aka Obama – that’s EXACTLY what America’s seemingly Pro Islam, Pro Muslim Imperial” Potus, and HIS Administration, IS Attempting to “Delude” the American People with.
Using the SAME “Grand Deception” of Islam – Taqiyya and Kitman, to advance the cause of Islam by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/robert-spencer/the-islamic-state-has-nothing-to-do-with-islam/
http://conservativetribune.com/obama-islamic-state-not-islam/
http://allenbwest.com/2014/04/obamas-40-alarming-quotes-islam-christianity/
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=15200 “40 Mind-Blowing Quotes From Barack Hussein Obama On Islam And Christianity”
Dan says
I don’t understand.
Nowhere in the Catholic doctrine and dogma does it say it’s okay for to molest children, yet Catholicism as a whole is condemned for the actions of a small percentage of its religious leaders.
Yet when a religious text does state it’s okay to kill and/or assault those who disagree with it by a much larger percentage of its religious leaders…
Why do those who attack the former go out of their way to deny the actions of the latter?
Peggy says
Because Islam is protected while Catholisism isn’t. The way Islam is protected one would think that it might be on the brint of extinction. I wish it was on the brink but sadly not. Now what can be done about that?
Januk36 says
@Dan
You could easily expand the list of hypocrisies:
Where is the gay movement in face of homosexuals routinely discriminated or killed on religious grounds ?
Where are the feminists, alledegly representing 3.5 billion females given the oppression of women and violence (honor killings) for the same reasons ?
Who raises his voice against the culture that condones and practices slavery to this day ?
Roy C says
Great questions Januk36. Actually there is an answer. All of these movements along with the ACLU our entire educational system along with 95% of our mainstream media have been completely taken over by the lunatic left. Their leadership shares but one thing with Islam – a pathological hatred of capitalism. The democratic party fell in 2008 and if they take the presidency in ’16 it’s all over folks. If you can sell the idiotic idea that Islam is a religion of peace to our numskull populace who twice elected this despicable man running our country then we are in big trouble here.
Oliver says
Januk,
You forgot the “Christians” who condemn Israel (and Jews elsewhere) WHEN ISRAEL IS THE ONLY MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY WHERE THERE CHRISTIANS ARE ( RELATIVELY) SAFE. (There are, as in almost every place, some people who might be against them; but not as a government policy).
Vapourking says
Exactly Dan the man, how or more importantly why do people leap to Islam’s defence?
Although the one common theme I’ve noticed is, those that defend Islam generally speaking have very little knowledge of what they’re defending.
I think they’re defending a democratic right, everyone should be free to practice their faith.
William Lucas Harvey Jr. says
“Arizona Muslim group: “The Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam”.
Yup aka Obama – that’s EXACTLY what America’s seemingly Pro Islam, Pro Muslim Imperial” Potus, and HIS Administration, IS Attempting to “Delude” the American People with.
Using the SAME “Grand Deception” of Islam – Taqiyya and Kitman, to advance the cause of Islam by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/robert-spencer/the-islamic-state-has-nothing-to-do-with-islam/
http://conservativetribune.com/obama-islamic-state-not-islam/
http://allenbwest.com/2014/04/obamas-40-alarming-quotes-islam-christianity/
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=15200 “40 Mind-Blowing Quotes From Barack Hussein Obama On Islam And Christianity”.
Bezelel says
Pastor Josh said “We have to be a voice for the voiceless,” Prather said. “One of the most important things is to humanize people who have been dehumanized.”
He said this in defense of islam. That my friends is a problem.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yes.
Why is not Pastor Josh speaking up for Pakistani Christians and Hindus – who are dehumanised and grossly abused by the Muslims around them? Why is he not speaking up for the Copts of Egypt, who are being dehumanised and horribly abused by Muslims? Why is he not speaking up for all those Yazidi and Christian girls – many of them obscenely young, toddlers, eight or nine year olds, ten year olds, though rape is of course horrible no matter what age the woman is – who are being enslaved and gang-raped and tormented, for fun, by Muslims, in Syria and Iraq? *They* are the ones being treated like untermenschen; abused, degraded.
*They* are the ones who are voiceless, these poor little non-Muslim girls trembling and screaming and bleeding – and probably, in the case of the littlest ones, bleeding to death – in an Islamic state brothel-for-pious-sadists. For pious sadists and bullies who are emulating mohammed-the-rapist, mohammed the deflowerer of 9 year old Aisha, mohammed the slave trader and slave owner, right down to the last horrid detail.
Pastor Josh needs to be reminded of those girls – point blank – and told flatout that if he wants to be a voice for the voiceless, and humanise the dehumanised, he should be speaking up for *them*, first and foremost.
Dr John says
How can this guy be a Christian? Allah is the Arabian moon god in whose cloths satan has dressed himself. Islam is the ideology of evil and the worship of satan and true Christians should be fighting against it with every last drop of blood.
Bezelel says
Dr John,(How can this guy be a Christian?) The best description I can think of for his behavior as a Christian Pastor would be Malpractice. He is causing harm to the Church by doing so and leading his congregation astray. As well as pushing people like Jon Ritzheimer away from the Church leaving him an impression that Christianity is nuts.
How can someone claim to love their enemy (muslims) and at the same time cosign their self destructive behavior? IE… Telling them it’s ok to reject Christ and worship a false god thereby committing their eternal soul to hell. If the pastor truly believes in Jesus, how can he accept islam as anything but a lie?
Champ says
How can this guy be a Christian? Allah is the Arabian moon god in whose cloths satan has dressed himself. Islam is the ideology of evil and the worship of satan and true Christians should be fighting against it with every last drop of blood.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Precisely, Dr John! …allah is NOT the God of the Bible:
http://kingmessiahproject.com/is_allah_not_God.html
voegelinian says
Multiply Pastor Josh by tens of millions of other Kumbaya Christians and self-hating Jews and self-hating Atheists and self-hating Feminists and self-hating Gays and self-hating Leftists — and don’t forget the clueless Conservatives — and you have the Problem of the Problem.
Angemon says
Ah, I see you’ve been taking lessons from Justin.
Bezelel says
I have heard Ronald Reagan quoted as saying that liberals aren’t bad people they just believe the wrong things. To me it seems that the stark differences between right and wrong should make discernment elementary but I have heard what passes for information (koolaide) that the liberals(for lack of a better word) are basing their judgements on. Like a computer, put garbage in and you get garbage out.
Oliver says
Vogel,
You forgot the dead. They also support the Muslims and the leftists.
They supported JFK ( although by the left’s standards of today he would be a centralist), and Obama twice, not to mention other politicians. All or almost all Dems.
William Lucas Harvey Jr. says
“Arizona Muslim group: “The Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam”
Yup aka Obama – that’s EXACTLY what America’s seemingly Pro Islam, Pro Muslim Imperial” Potus, and HIS Administration, IS Attempting to “Delude” the American People with.
Using the SAME “Grand Deception” of Islam – Taqiyya and Kitman, to advance the cause of Islam by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
Jack Holan says
It is easy to convince an uninformed & ignorant ( no slight intended look up the meaning) public that Islam is one representation when in fact it is not; however the Islamic sect that is trying make the point represents 3% of Islam, is not accepted by the larger Sunni Islamic Faith and their practices and beliefs go against mainstream Islam. Yet they are trying to convince Non-Muslims that their beliefs are Islam and congruous to American Freedoms, open to other religions and embrace American Life. Their sect make fall into this category unfortunately the other 97% doesn’t and are not far from the ISIS tree. Look at the Sharia enforcement in Saudi Arabia or Iran, one the pillar of Sunni Islam Jurisprudence under Sharia or the pillar of Shia Islam jurisprudence under Sharia. Public beheadings take place in Saudi Arabia, the Grand Mufti, the Imam of the Kaaba, Imam of Medina all call for the burning and destruction of Churches in Saudi Arabia, Iran executed over 1000 people in the last 12 months. Both countries execute for apostate and blasphemy. This is not anywhere near Judaeo-Christian values (they’ve been murdering the latter in the 10s of 1000s and burning 100s of churches) and certain does not fit in with a Democracy that cherishes the Constitution Bill of Rights and has a Separation of Church and State clause.
Bruce Wayne says
a good tactic: every time your people start trouble you create a splinter group and claim they are not your people…But the fact is that the top 25 muslim country’s all have ISIS like problems……and all of thiose places really suck bad.
And there is not even one majority muslim nation which does not suck because of islam……..
Lilith Wept says
I snorted my coffee when I read the amazing lie “Mohammed condemned ciolence…”
Ha!!! Ok, Mr. Khan, , you show me where in the Quran or Hadith that Mohammed condemned Violence and I will show you dozend of references where he committed violence, he encouraged people to commit violence and, he ordered muslims to commit violence both in his lifetime and until there was “none worshipped but Allah”….
Here’s the thing…he IS telling the absoulue truth, Mohammed condemned violence…..muslim to muslim violence!!!!! Never ever did he condem an act of violence committed by a muslim to a non muslim!! So Khan, a Islamic attorney, is lieing, rather he is practicing taqiyyah. He is using “beautiful speech” to misdirect, to make the listner think one meaning is ment when it is another, meaning, ment. This is taqqiyah at its best and most obvious.
I have read the Koran manybtimes in 6-7 different translations, and many of the Hadiths. Every person ,especially Christians and believers in other religions, in the US NEEDS to read the Koran and the Hadiths ( an exellend Hadith based biography of Mohammed, much easier than reading the Hadiths, is F.W. Burleigh’s “It’s All About Mohammed” ) . It is confusing, repative, disgusting, NOT in chronological order, violent and confusing…..I strongly recommend reading the mentioned bio, then reading the Koran. Verses in the Koran are directly related to events in Mohammed’s life, Readi g what happened in nis life will help you understand the relevent Koran verses. And will convence you, Mohammed was NO prophet, and he was the author of the Koran, not God and not an Angel named Gabriel.
If you are sympathetic to Muslims, I challenge you to read the un biased bio of Mohammed I mentioned. What harm can it do to read an unbiased, well researched , based on the same Hadiths the Muslims use, bio of Mohammed, the founder of Islam?
You need to know that the verses Mohammed crafted when in Mecca are abrogated, negated, superceded ,by the verses Mohammed crafted in Medina….you need to know Muslims, not just Shias but All Muslims, who practice taqqiyah and kitman, out right lieing, or misdirection, misrepresenting, and that the Imans tell them that its whats in their hearts that count so they can swear an oath, and in their heart not mean a word of it,( a Hadith says ” we smile in their faces while cursing them in our hearts) and there are so many other “tricks” like this, too many to list here.
After “Allah is the best of decievers” and Muslims follow the example of their god…..
Jim Fuscaldo says
Subject: An Ahmadiyyan Muslim Is Not a Mohammedan Muslim
Ahmadiyyan Muslims reject Mohammad as the last and true prophet of Islam. The Ahmadiyyan Muslims believe that the long-awaited Messiah is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908). Ahmadiyyan Muslims reject Mohammad’s Medinan teachings (622-642) as reflected in the Qur’an, the Haditha and the Sira. Mohammadan Muslims perceive Ahmadiyyan Muslims as apostates. Ahmadiyyan Muslims reject terrorism. Mohammadan Muslims do not (Verses of the Sword). Jihad bil ayf (jihad with the sword) or combat (qitaal) is only one means of Jihad. Mohammadan Muslims can engage in Jihad without explosives strapped on their backs or carry AK 47’s. Mohammadan Islam recognizes other forms of non-violent Islamic Jihad for the purpose of achieving global Islamic supremacism.
An Ahmadiyyan Muslim is not a valid spoke person to substantiate a hypothesis of Islamic moderation across all Islamic sects that follow the teachings of Mohammad. It is a form of Islamic dissimulation called “taqqiya”.
voegelinian says
The Ahmadiyya Muslim is the Battered Wife who puts makeup on her face to try to cover up the bruises and scars which her Sunni (or Shia) Muslim put there with his years of abuse. We are the concerned neighbor who knocks on her door to see if everything’s all right. She (the Ahmadiyya Muslim) answers the door and says that everything is just fine, and if we are not a clueless Democrat or Republican (or stupid Christian or Jew or brain-dead Atheist or lobotomized Gay or Feminist), we will notice the bruises and scars through the makeup (not to mention the cast on her arm), and we will ask again — “Are you sure everything’s okay? Did your husband do this to you” And the Battered Wife (Ahmadiyya Muslim) will insist that she loves her husband, that her husband would never harm her, that he is a wonderful man, that she just fell down the stairs, that’s how she got those bruises, and that her children who show signs of physical and sexual abuse just had accidents in the playground, that her husband is a great father.
Angemon says
As if you’d knock on any muslim door for whatever reason, voeg…
Oliver says
VOGEL– I TRIED SENDING THIS BEFORE, BOUNCED.
EXCELLENT ANALOGY.
However, I would go one step further.
The battered wife, if/when she leaves the batterer, usually goes back to him.
This would (IN MY VIEW) BE THE SAME- IF IT CAME DOWN TO MUSLIM VS. JEW OR MUSLIM VS CHRISTIAN, would probably support– drum roll- the Muslim.
Just my view
rcourtemanche says
In the unlikely event that “Islam being different from islam” can be proven, there can be no differentiation from non-Muslims’ perspective. Muslims! Your play.
eib says
And cigarettes have nothing to do with smoking.
O says
Cigarettes don’t have anything to do with smoking, UNLESS LIT AND ONE STICKS IN HIS (OR HER) MOUTH.
floare says
Islamic deception called taqiyya.
Muslims lie about the truth of barbaric Islam and the evil deeds of their criminal mass murderer child rapist prophet. ISIS is true Islam and study the life of criminal prophet that is hailed as holy by every Muslim. Don’t let the media fool you that ISIS is not Islamic.
floarer says
Sura 4:89 Round up the infidels where ever you find them and slay themQuran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”
Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”
Quran (9:14) – “Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace…”
Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe!fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.
Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’
Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Ibn Ishaq: 992 – “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” Muhammad’s instructions to his men prior to a military raid.
Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”
There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to this verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of “persecution” (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until “religion is for Allah.” The example set by Muhammad is not
Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi floarer ,
Great listing, thanks!
Clare says
If ‘Australia’ were not in the headline as well as in the copy, I would not know if these Muslim spokespersons were European or American or if they were from Australia. No matter where spokespersons live or from what sect they are from, whether Imams, or CAIR or politicos or activists, Muslims convey the same ideas and they use the same or similar phrases to address every topic in which they have their say in the public sphere (in the civic arena, on the street, in college campus, from Community Centers). For me, Muslims are no longer capable of spinning their allegiance to the Islam Nation. Muslims have failed to prop up the ruse that they are integrating their mores and actions into our Republics and Democrat Nations in the free West.
c says
Correction: “Arizona” for Austraiia.
Clare says
Correction: “Arizona” for Australia
Odojoe says
Hmm, a recent survey stated that a majority of Muslims support ISIS.
Ziggy says
If that’s the case, somebody’s got to tell those f**kers that they’re giving the “religion of peace ” a bad name. Actually they believe there ain’t nothing more peaceful than dead opponents.
Thomas says
Right and Christ has nothing to do with Christianity, Like Muslims have nothing to do with Jihad. Like every Muslim that says the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam is a lying piece of Shiite.