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Australia to strip citizenship of Australian-born jihadis with immigrant parents

May 21, 2015 11:06 pm By Robert Spencer

Australia niqabCommon sense. This is a start in the right direction — one that no other Western country has had the courage to take. “Australia to strip citizenship of Australian-born jihadis with immigrant parents,” Associated Press, May 21, 2015 (thanks to Kenneth):

Australian Immigration and Border Protection Minister Peter Dutton, seen here in February 2015, says that because Islamic State movement is not recognized as a state, membership is not currently grounds for losing Australian citizenship. He says the government wants to change that.

Australia plans to strip citizenship from Australian-born children of immigrants who become fighters for the militant group Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) in its crackdown on homegrown jihadis, a minister said on Thursday.

The government wants to change the Citizenship Act to make fighting for ISIS a reason for losing citizenship, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said.

The government also wants to adopt the British legal model by revoking the citizenship of extremists who are Australian-born children of immigrants or an immigrant, forcing them to take up citizenship in the birth country of their parents, or parent, Dutton said.

It also would apply to dual citizens. “The principle for us, which is very important, is that we don’t render people stateless,” Dutton told Sydney Radio 2GB.

Australia can currently only revoke citizenship in cases of fraud in the citizenship application or where an Australian citizen joins the armed forces of another country to fight Australia.

Because the Islamic State movement is not recognized as a state, membership is not a ground for losing Australian citizenship, Dutton said

“I can hardly walk down the street without people saying: ‘Why do you let these people back into our country? They come back more radicalized,”‘ Dutton said.

“They are a huge threat to Australian citizens. We should act and that’s what the government is doing,” he added….

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  1. mortimer says

    May 21, 2015 at 11:25 pm

    Jihadists only fear losing residency. Muslims know their countries are dysfunctional cesspools of disease, ignorance, poverty and failure. They hate living in them due to those things…as well as the constant fear of being misquoted or falsely accused and then murdered. Sharia law makes societies chaotic. Anyone can murder anyone merely by claiming blasphemy or apostasy and they receive a light or no sentence.

    Being sent back to Berzerkistan is a punishment Muslims fear much more than death. No inbred child of cousin marriage or person in a cousin marriage or jihad sympathizer should ever be given residency in a civilized country.

    Muslims come to the West for freedom and prosperity and immediately try to make the West as dysfunctional as Muslim countries. Islam is a self-refuting mental illness.

    • Linde Barrera says

      May 21, 2015 at 11:35 pm

      To mortimer- I have said it before, and I will say it now: I love the way you write, and what you write. You are always clear, concise and with a touch of humility. When posters like me ask for clarification, you give it in a simple way, without condescending. There are a few people who comment at Jihad Watch who are much smarter than me, and YOU are 1, but you never make me feel dumb. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

    • Peggy says

      May 22, 2015 at 12:16 am

      I agree with all you say except the last thing. I would think that most Muslims come to western countries to spread Islam. This is expected of them and they obey.
      If they truly came here for prosperity then they would not even think about asking for Sharia law or protecting Ilsam so well.
      That’s just my opinion.

      • Raja says

        May 22, 2015 at 8:12 am

        Peggy,

        Islam should not need protection nor should anyone have any zeal to “spread” Islam.

        The world must know that it is anti Christ and it is child of lies, deception, hatred etc etc.

        Any muslim who wants to ANYTHING for Islam MUST BE ASHAMED OR MUST BE put to shame.The world and West needs to gear up for that.

      • Shane says

        May 22, 2015 at 9:43 am

        Probably some Muslims do come to the West to spread Islam, but the majority come to have a better life. Those Muslims who join terrorist groups should have their citizenship stripped and their passports revoked. That’s common sense.

        • Delores says

          May 22, 2015 at 4:34 pm

          I have said that their citizenship should be removed and passports handed in for months now, but Canada seems to be holding back on any action of that sort. I am impressed with Australia’s move to correct the problem. Way to go Australia.

        • Peggy says

          May 23, 2015 at 7:17 am

          So how do you know that majority came here for a better life? Because they say so?
          If that was the case why then won’t they assimilate? Why won’t they drop their way of life? Why cling to sharia?

        • Mirren10 says

          May 23, 2015 at 3:33 pm

          Shane says:

          ”Probably some Muslims do come to the West to spread Islam, but the majority come to have a better life”

          The two things are not mutually exclusive.

          It is perfectly possible, as a muslim. to want to come to the West, and enjoy the benefits of Western civilisation, whilst **also** wanting to spread islam and sharia.

          The fact that those two things *are* mutually exclusive, doesn’t pose any problems for a pious mahoundian.

          They cannot understand that the imposition of sharia would, whilst crushing the infidel under the islamic jackboot, which of course they would love, would also result in the eradication of all the perks that they can’t get enough of.

          A recent Pew poll found that **42%** of ‘British’ muslims would like to see sharia as the law of the UK. And that doesn’t take into account all those who lied, or refused to answer, or who ‘had no opinion’.

      • gonzales27 says

        May 22, 2015 at 11:56 am

        Yes, I have felt that way for a long time

      • Agent of Liberty says

        May 22, 2015 at 2:04 pm

        Muslims who come here must renounce their religion because Islam will be illegal in the United States

    • Westman says

      May 22, 2015 at 2:54 am

      Good analysis and summary. I would suggest that the Muslims emmigrating to Europe may not actually realize that Islamic Ideology was the enabler of their previous uncomfortable living conditions and lack of opportunity. In their minds the frustrating inability to inherit the Earth, promised by Allah, must be the work of Jews, Christians, and infidels; it’s right there in the Quran.

      • Celtic says

        May 22, 2015 at 5:17 am

        There are no muslim countries in the world which are prosperous. Yes, there are some very wealthy oil-nations – but the idea of using oil for technology wasn’t even an arab idea. If we analyze history, we will see that apart from oil the only way muslim countries or empires ever achieved wealth was by looting other nations, waging war and collecting jizya-taxes, that’s it.

        The once prosperous persia was overrun and turned into a part of a jihadi-empire – the same is true for the eastern roman empire. Eversince their system of stealing the wealth of others collapsed, muslim countries have been at poverty – except the oil nations – which were fortunate enough to have some Kuffars realizing the value of this mysterious substance and thus enabling the Arabs to become very rich – but this was just good luck, nothing else.

        • Raja says

          May 22, 2015 at 8:20 am

          And the oil money came after cartel of OPEC was formed. That was and is a bully.Now the rest of the world is producing more oil than OPEC and hence the fall in oil prices..

          Btw, the rich nations are only rich for the royal families and those in administration.

          So where is the luck? it is a curse to themselves and the world..

        • SnitchInTime says

          May 22, 2015 at 9:12 am

          Islam, like communism has been parasitic since IRS founding by the barbaric Arabian brigand Mohammed. Rightly Islamic nations were called the Piretical Powers by the civilized world. Empowered Islam is an engine of pillage, looting, and plunder wherever it spreads. Also note that Islam is primarily a political system that uses IRS ill fitted religious vaneer to make its claims universal and its demands insatiable. Dealing with militarily empowered Islam is not a diplomatic problem, nor is it a religious tolerance problem. Dealing with a lusty, brutal, and ruthless militarized Islam is a “kill all the cockroaches” problem.

          Obama’s failure to act on this coupled with his fondness for using ISIL tells me he wants Israel destroyed by the Islamic State. Never forget that Obama summoned forth the Islamic State with his Cairo Speech, armed them throughout the “Arab Spring”, lagetimized them at Bengazi, and cleared the path for them by removing American troops. By shamelessly referring to these monsters as ISIL, Obama ratifies their end game which is the destruction of Israel and the total anihilation and extermination of Israeli Jews. Obama doesn’t really fight ISIS because they are, in a very real sense his creation. Yes, Barack, you made that.

        • Marty says

          May 22, 2015 at 10:28 am

          So right.
          London, the once capital of England/UK, is steadily being bought up by muslims who obtained their vast amounts of money by taking heathen cash for the oil that just happened to be under their tents.
          They are so dim that though the rich collect Bentlys and Maseratis, their nations could not build a Citroen 2CV from a kit.
          Churchill was so right that he observed that as long as they ignored our science, islam could not threaten us as it had done for centuries.
          Sadly, that was before the age of tech traitors like Snowden, and before Pakistan acqired nukes. Pakistan will fall to the taliban within 10 years.
          Our nation is being eaten away by the cancer of islam, and it is very difficult to explain that in the UK due to conventions/laws that mean they can say what they want about us, but it is not reciprocal.

        • TH says

          May 22, 2015 at 5:12 pm

          Did you know that about half the muslim population is the reuslt of inbreeding, and that among other evils, inbreeding provokes on average a reduction of IQ of 15 or more points. Other consequences are dangerous diseases and early death after childbirth. This is already happening in the UK according to studies done in Bradford. Another reason to keep muslims out and even pay those legally in the country to go back to where they came from.

    • duh_swami says

      May 22, 2015 at 9:01 am

      Muslims come to the West for freedom and prosperity

      I don’t believe that for a second. Prosperity maybe, but not freedom…

      • Lookmann says

        May 22, 2015 at 10:18 am

        you are right Doc. Beholden to their religion and fearful of vengeful Allah,
        they just dont know the meaning of ‘freedom’ .

        For them, only freebies from the host nation matter.

      • Mirren10 says

        May 23, 2015 at 3:38 pm

        duh swami says:

        ”I don’t believe that for a second. Prosperity maybe, but not freedom”

        Exactly. Under sharia, there is no freedom, which most of them don’t give a damn about, but there is certainly no prosperity.

        On the other hand, they can come here, and suck off the various welfare benefits, until eventually they all run out. As they will.

        • Angemon says

          May 23, 2015 at 4:23 pm

          Mirren10 posted:

          “Under sharia, there is no freedom, which most of them don’t give a damn about, but there is certainly no prosperity.”

          Allow me to disagree, Mirren. There is prosperity in sharia – it’s implemented through “jizya” while there’s enough non-muslims around, and “raising an army to go and steal from the kuffar” when most of the population is muslim.

        • Mirren10 says

          May 23, 2015 at 5:10 pm

          Angemon says:

          ”Allow me to disagree, Mirren. There is prosperity in sharia – it’s implemented through “jizya” while there’s enough non-muslims around, and “raising an army to go and steal from the kuffar” when most of the population is muslim”

          semantics, shemantics … 🙂

          noun, plural prosperities.
          1.
          a successful, flourishing, or thriving condition, especially in financial respects; good fortune.

          Yes, you’re right, insofar as you point out; **while there’s enough non-muslims around** … ”

          muslim ‘prosperity’ is based on shifting sand, there is no infrastructure, no thriving economy based on good business practice, the creation of wealth, through scientific discoveries, inventions, etc. Nothing except that created by oil, and the input of hardworking and clever infidels.

          If we can find a substitute for oil, then muslim polities are totally screwed, since they have nothing to offer but dates and couscous.

          But yes, you’re right; whilst there are enough wealth producing non-muslims around, they’ll manage to survive, but they’re busy killing the goose. If they succeed in totally destroying it, they’re up the well known creek.

          Then, as you say, the next step is ”raising an army to go and steal from the kuffar”. And, of course, they’re busy slurping up the jizya from Europe, which was so suicidally foolish to let them in, in the first place.

          Ay di mi.

        • FatherJon says

          May 23, 2015 at 6:45 pm

          As some say, there is a paradox in Muslim thinking. They like the benefits of living in the west while simultaneously striving to create their Sharia caliphate. Taking it to its logical conclusion, they’d be living off the sweat of the jizya imposed on us infidels. We’d become a reluctant slave group within our own countries. That must never be allowed to happen. Every little acknowledgement of Sharia within western societies must be seen as an incremental step towards full-blown demands for Sharia, whether it’s the building of yet another mosque, allowing prayer time at work, or creating new ‘anti-offence racist’ laws.
          We must stop and contain their influence amongst us.

    • pete1589 says

      May 22, 2015 at 1:02 pm

      Sir:

      You are brilliant. Keep up the GREAT work!

    • voegelinian says

      May 22, 2015 at 1:47 pm

      “Muslims come to the West for freedom and prosperity…”

      Muslims don’t know what freedom and prosperity are; their culture has indoctrinated them in the antithesis of freedom and prosperity (among other values & virtues). So they can’t be coming here for what they don’t know and can’t appreciate.

      A mountain of evidence and an ocean of dots to be connected suggests, rather, that Muslims are emigrating into the Dar-al-Harb (our lands) as a vast imperialistic migration — a Jihad of the Feet. The West, in colossal stupidity in latter half of the 20th century (and continuing into our own) has provided Muslims with this unprecedented opportunity, by opening wide its gates and saying to millions of Trojan Camels — “Come on in!!!”

      And part of this colossal stupidity on the part of the West involves exactly the kind of idealistic misapprehension evinced by the asymptotic spasm mortimer typed which I quoted above.

      Further Reading:

      Ahoy There, Pilgrim…
      http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2015/05/ahoy-there-pilgrim.html

      Hijra in reverse?
      http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2015/02/hijra-in-reverse.html

      • voegelinian says

        May 24, 2015 at 5:20 pm

        When I write things like “Muslims don’t know what freedom and prosperity are…” it sounds like I intend to convey an apodictic certainty about all Muslims. Of course, I don’t; it’s shorthand for:

        Even if many Muslims may exist who do want freedom and prosperity, their existence is of no use to our primary concern — the safety of our societies from the dangers of jihad (terrorism plus stealth deceit advancing the cause of a war against us with the end game being our destruction) — for at least the following reasons:

        a) we can’t tell the difference with sufficient reliability between the ones who really do want our virtues & values (and who are thus capable and willing to assimilate peacefully into our societies) from the ones who are in stealth promoting and/or enabling jihad

        b) even among those who really do want our virtues & values, many may be caught up in complex stages of denial, conflicted schizophrenic thought patterns, co-dependent enabling of their more fanatical co-religionists; etc.

        c) the alarmingly high numbers of those who do NOT want our virtues & values (i.e., who honestly express this without taqiyya), coupled with the sociopolitical-cultural-military-supremacist-imperialistic context of the Islam they enable (if not positively promote), transforms this into a problem of proportions & nature such that we must err on the side of treating Muslims en bloc — and precisely and explicitly commit those two Cardinal Sins under the PC MC Commandments:

        Thou Shalt Never “Generalize” about Muslims and “Paint Them With a Broad Brush” (unless thou wantst to say good things about them…)

        Thou Shalt Never Prejudge Muslims, but always wait until AFTER they explode or behead someone (and even then, NEVER link such “radical extremism” with Islam…).

        I.e, we should generalize about Muslims and pre-judge them (given my argument above).

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      May 23, 2015 at 8:08 am

      Niccolai Sennels pointed that out, some time ago. They *hate* the very idea of being turfed out. Because, of course, a/ it’s horrible to live in a fully-Islamic country and b/ if they’re turfed out, back to the dar al Islam, the grand Islamisation program to infiltrate and subvert and destroy dar al harb suffers a setback.

  2. Linde Barrera says

    May 21, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    It’s about time that at least 1 western country is revoking citizenship for jihadis. Congratulations Australia! May you be the first in a long line of followers. Now, can someone please explain why anyone should feel sorry for jihadis who might become “stateless” if a country (excepting Australia) does that to them?

  3. tilda says

    May 22, 2015 at 12:12 am

    It’s a start.

    Then extend it to immigrants (or children of?) who are involved in the ‘right hand possession’ industry (Rotherham springs to mind), FGM, underage and forced marriages, those who confuse benefits with jizyah, those who engage in honour killings, those who…. (Potentially quite a long list.)

    • Lia Wissing says

      May 22, 2015 at 7:18 am

      Yes! Yes! Yes!

    • Marty says

      May 22, 2015 at 10:33 am

      Absolutely correct Tilda
      50 years ago your views would be universally held in the UK, above all by the Left.
      Today, though you speak for 90% of the Brits. the Left/BBC/MSM would call your views
      “islamophobic”, racist, Far Right etc.
      Your views are in fact rational and decent by all non muslim international standards.

    • Ml says

      May 22, 2015 at 8:27 pm

      Muslims have to obey,it’s in there Koran,the have to be stopt before whe get killed
      Why whe are afraid A 1400 secret by Dr.bill Warner a must to study on youtube
      The are not stupid,the have no choice but to obey the Koran,there are 180 some verses,what instructs infedils,kafirs that what whe are called to kill
      For good good inf.go to
      Bill Warner on YouTube,a must to look up
      You will learn there is no time left for being vulnerable

  4. Infidel from Down Under says

    May 22, 2015 at 12:13 am

    As an Aussie a welcome move but next we need to curb the amount of muslim immigration preferably to to zero but thats unlikely, though in saying it is not official but its believed our current government has at least quietly slowed down the number of migrants from the middle east and Northern Africa its allowing to come here.

    Apart from the security threat muslim immigration has been an abject failure here in every respect like most other countries that have taken them in. High unemployment, high crime rates high, high welfare dependency , the creation of Islamic ghettos in parts of Sydney and Melbourne and a failure ( more unwillingness I suspect ) to assimilate are just some of the characteristics of Australia’s muslim community

    Muslims migrants only want to drag their host nations down to there level

    • Peggy says

      May 22, 2015 at 12:22 am

      I live in Melbourne and I truly hope that this legislation passes. What the government wants to do and what they will get through the senate might not be the same thing. At the moment we have a hostile senate controlled by Labor and Bill Shorten wants to reverse all the good that this government has done so far.
      I am happy that I don’t live near the ghettos, especially the northern suburb ghettos but slowly they are creeping in to all areas.
      You’re right, Muslims come here to spread Islam. If they wanted to get away from the torment of it they would not cling onto it so tightly.
      We need more Pauline Hansons and I hate to say it Jackie Lambies along with Cory Bernardis.

      • Lioness says

        May 22, 2015 at 9:36 am

        I envy you, Australians. Hopefully here in Canada they will see the light and do the same, although too many leftists bleeding hearts that will object to it. If the Conservatives win a majority again we may have a chance, otherwise we are doomed and jihadis will roam free.

        • xxxChurch100 says

          May 22, 2015 at 5:49 pm

          Dear Lioness , lets not get too carried away with the Australian / Islamic balance .
          In my area of Sydney there has been an increasing presence of Islam ….which seemingly has no intentions of integrating into the “Aussie ” culture .
          Three years ago there was a riot on a Saturday afternoon not far from the Martin Place hostage incident , the cause this time a ” blasphemios ” U tube posting of the prophet made in the U.S. .. Police were assaulted , shoppers were terrified, the black flag, everything … Islam and its true “crazed” intentions on public display.
          At present Islam makes up less than 2% of our population , but to get a true picture of the tactic employed here , you may like to check out on U Tube : “‘What Islam is not ” it is a few years old but interesting non the less .
          We must all remember that the Islamic ideology is relentless .
          Regards

  5. Westman says

    May 22, 2015 at 12:35 am

    Whoda thunk it? Australia, home of the brave and the free.

    That once was us before a hedonistic segment of our society, who never put their life on the line for anyone, served in the Armed Forces, or gave unpaid service, became so numerous. It seems a good time means more than the future of their offspring.

    We do wake up, historically speaking, usually when the threat becomes reality.

  6. Judi says

    May 22, 2015 at 2:11 am

    Mr. Cameron/Theresa May – please take note!!

  7. Michael Copeland says

    May 22, 2015 at 2:14 am

    An armed “group”, not recognised as a state, is at enmity with the Australian state (and all Western states). Individuals who take up arms in support of it should no longer be entitled to protection by the Australian state. They make themselves stateless.

  8. No Fear says

    May 22, 2015 at 2:23 am

    View the Treason laws of Australia. e.g.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#Australia

    The Govt needs to act now in accordance with those laws.

  9. Rob says

    May 22, 2015 at 5:14 am

    The best guarantee of a good immigration policy is an excellent deportation policy.
    Go Oz! Love ya!

  10. Baucent says

    May 22, 2015 at 5:43 am

    A good proposal, but as noted it has to get through a hostile Senate.

  11. Vienna says

    May 22, 2015 at 6:06 am

    Other good news is Abbott said, “Nope, nope, nope”, to settling Rohingya parasites in Australia.

  12. FatherJon says

    May 22, 2015 at 6:14 am

    It’s a long, long time since we had a firm government in this country prepared to tackle the strong issues that affect us all regardless which political party we may support. A bomb in a crowded mall kills and maims people regardless of their political affiliations. I hope they stand firm on this one!

  13. albert says

    May 22, 2015 at 6:24 am

    Good old Aussie common sense, but they shouldn’t stop there the whole extended family should be deported back to country of origin.

  14. boocat says

    May 22, 2015 at 6:52 am

    Terrific!

  15. jewdog says

    May 22, 2015 at 7:09 am

    OT, but important: Brian of London (via Israel) clarifies the Pope’s comments on Abu Mazen. Apparently they were seriously misreported, which is not surprising given the pro-PLO bias in the press. The Pope’s comments were in turn understandably misrepresented here:
    http://www.israellycool.com/2015/05/17/pope-i-am-converting-to-islam-associated-press/

  16. Raja says

    May 22, 2015 at 8:23 am

    This is music to my ears.. Some justice finally!!! Some spine to stand up!!! Lots of wisdom… Keep up the good works Australia !!!!

  17. Angemon says

    May 22, 2015 at 9:02 am

    Congratulations Australia. You may be down under, but your head is in the right place.

  18. William Lucas Harvey Jr. says

    May 22, 2015 at 9:08 am

    America should follow suit.

    Oh – that’s right – America can NOT follow suit at least not right now – as America needs to further “Wise Up” as to it’s “Leaders”.

    America’s obvious Pro Islam, Pro Muslim, seemingly Anti America, Anti Constitution, Anti Christian “Imperial” Potus, and HIS Obama Administration WOULD Prevent it.

  19. Mo says

    May 22, 2015 at 11:25 am

    Good on you, Aussies! It’s good to know there’s some sanity left SOMEWHERE in the world.

    We sure don’t have much left in the U.S.A.!

  20. John says

    May 22, 2015 at 12:30 pm

    They do it themselves when they choose to leave to become mercenaries, which is illegal in most countries. The only thing they will miss is the fortune in benefits that our countries stupidly hand out to them.

  21. GbA says

    May 22, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    When will a cartoonist depict the carnival in “heaven” when all the Jihadis greet their 77 virgins?

  22. Oliver says

    May 22, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    Anyone think that the US would do the same?

    regardless of who is elected president?

  23. rcourtemanche says

    May 22, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    Bravo! For more countries to emulate. It’s not a game; it’s an urgent requirement of a bigger plan for non-Muslims survival.

  24. PRCS says

    May 22, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    The fly in the ointment. The wrench in the works. The missing piece.

    I know that Australian and American citizenship laws differ, but will the Australian government do with the Australian born children of immigrant parents whose own birth nations simply refuse–for whatever reason–to take Australia’s problem children?

    Do a mass HALO drop?

    Stamp their collective feet in frustration?

    So let’s be honest: despite the fact that “radicalization” of these poor dears begins at home–with mom , dad, and the Qur’an, it is the ACTION of “going to jihad” that violates the law. What their brain dead Muslim parents taught them is not illegal.

    I’m not sure HOW that government will handle this, but until its elected officials and journalists start calling written, Orthodox Islam by its simple name–Islam, stop pretending what’s happening in the Islamic State has noting to do with Islam and that Islam’s most pious, devout Muslims are twisting or perverting “the faith”, and start challenging Muslims with their own texts every time they lie about Islam’s teachings, Australia will remain on defense.

    Yeh, I know, our are just as idiotic.

    But the issue here is the notion of returning criminals to their parents birth nations.

    Dumb..

    • tilda says

      May 22, 2015 at 10:03 pm

      The article isn’t particularly clear, but reading between the lines (and a few other articles online), it seems that this will apply only to those who have dual citizenship.

      It would be fairly easy to deal with those dual citizens who are already overseas fighting with IS — just cancel their Australian citizenship in their absence.

      Other articles suggest it would also apply to those (with dual citizenship) who are currently serving time in Australian prisons for terrorism related crimes. That is, to be deported at end of prison term.

      In other words: Australia would not render people stateless.

      • PRCS says

        May 23, 2015 at 6:17 am

        Actually, my friend, here’s what the article says:

        “The government also wants to adopt the British legal model by revoking the citizenship of extremists who are Australian-born children of immigrants or an immigrant, forcing them to take up citizenship in the birth country of their parents, or parent, Dutton said.

        It also would apply to dual citizens. “The principle for us, which is very important, is that we don’t render people stateless,” Dutton told Sydney Radio 2GB.

        I’d be willing to bet that a dual citizens “other” country could refuse to take the individual.

        Theses schemes to strip people of their citizenship sound good, but when one reads them…..

        Imagine a scenario in which an Australian with dual citizenship goes “jihad” in his/her other country and that other country that wants to return the jihadist to Australia

        • Linde Barrera says

          May 23, 2015 at 11:32 am

          To PRCS- I do not have a problem with rendering these dumb dumb jihadists “stateless”! Let them go through paperwork, the courts, and trying to get a lawyer at their expense, while trying to re-establish citizenship somewhere out there. Seems like a just and fitting coup d’etat that all this dumb dumb jihadists deserve. Heartless? I hardly think so!

  25. Bezelel says

    May 22, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    Good to know someone has a grip on reality.

  26. Matthieu Baudin says

    May 23, 2015 at 7:36 am

    Watch to see if they actually carry it through; if they do implement the proposed policy changes then it could strengthen the call for these reforms in The Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe.

  27. dumbledoresarmy says

    May 23, 2015 at 8:06 am

    From the article – “I can hardly walk down the street without people saying: ‘Why do you let these people back into our country? They come back more radicalized,”‘ Dutton said.

    “They are a huge threat to Australian citizens. We should act and that’s what the government is doing,” he added….”.

    YIPPEE! O my fellow Aussies: time to step up the pressure. People’s worries and complaints and grumbling and commonsense points, made over and over and over and over, are starting to get through.

    ALL of us have to write to Minister Dutton and *thank* him and *encourage* him and tell him – JUST DO IT!!!! And write to the Prime Minister and to our own MPs and state our *total* support for this eminently sensible measure. Elementary self-defence.

    Get behind Minister Dutton and PUSH.

  28. The Last English Prince says

    May 23, 2015 at 9:15 am

    Immigrants who seek citizenship have a responsibility toward the host. There should be incremental movement toward assimilation borne on an understanding that future generations need to place their roots deeply into the soil of the nation.

    Islam does not have a doctrine of assimilation. It is non-existent. Islam is an ideology of expansionism. Hence, the problem for some – but not all Muslims.

    • FatherJon says

      May 23, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      ‘Islam does not have a doctrine of assimilation. It is non-existent. Islam is an ideology of expansionism’

      In a nutshell!

      • Huck Folder says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 9:26 pm

        Of course they do; they assimilate the host.

    • particolor says

      May 24, 2015 at 6:10 am

      Name the Non Problem Muslims ? I’ll give You Postage Stamp to write it on ! 🙂

    • Mark says

      May 24, 2015 at 9:46 am

      Indeed.

      However, Islam mandates treason against any non muslim controlled country they are in.

      By defanition, a muslim in a country not controlled by islam under sharia law, by being muslim is a traitor, working to bring down that country.

  29. Sue says

    May 23, 2015 at 11:58 am

    I do agree, but I am afraid this will never happen. I was talking to a friend of mine today and we were saying how sorry we feel for the peace loving Muslems. The trouble is how do you know who are peace loving and who are lying? If you move to a new country you should blend in, become a part of it, be proud of it. You must have looked into it before moving and I wager you are having a much better life than you had before. Look around, it’s good is it not? Please try to enjoy your choice and if you work hard and make friends you will find yourself in a very happy place. I wish you luck and happiness.

  30. Emmanuel says

    May 24, 2015 at 6:08 am

    “Islam does not have a doctrine of assimilation. It is non-existent. Islam is an ideology of expansionism”

    Great thought briefed one word!!

    • FatherJon says

      May 24, 2015 at 7:00 pm

      There’s also talk now in Australia of stripping the parents of these dangerous clowns of their naturalised citizenship. This would be a record breaker globally but reflects the seriousness with which we view the role of radicalised parents in the nurturing of their wannabe jihadi kids.

      We’ve seen some of our young Muslims and THEIR kids at the warfront waving the decapitated heads of prisoners at TV cameras. What civilised country wants to welcome back people of this type?

  31. FatherJon says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 6:38 am

    ‘Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori’ is a line from the Roman lyrical poet Horace’s Odes (III.2.13). The line can be roughly translated into English as: “It is sweet and right to die for your country.”

    As I pointed out elsewhere, if a person has chosen to enlist in a quasi-state force like ISIS surely it’s an open declaration of new loyalties to that new ‘state’. If that person only holds sole Australian citizenship there’s no reason not to recognise his new primary loyalties to his masters and therefore revoke that Australian citizenship, especially where a dangerous terrorist organisation like ISIS is the new loyalty.

    That’s my take on it. I’d like to see our government really bite the bullet on this one and declare as stateless any person who goes abroad to join ISIS regardless whether they have dual nationality or just as sole Australian citizenship holders. We don’t want anymore David Hicks!

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