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Boston Marathon jihad murderer’s mother: Non-Muslims will burn in “flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame, inshaallah”

May 18, 2015 12:55 pm By Robert Spencer

Zubeidat_TsarnaevaCharming lady. Zubeidat Tsarnaeva wrote:

Allah is the greatest. His decisions are the greatest. Inshaallah to him we belong and to him we will return. They think that they are killing us and they celebrate this, but we are the ones who will rejoice when Allah grants us the chance to behold them in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame, inshaallah

I love my sons. with this love I will stand in front of Allah. Thank you dear and may Allah be happy with you.

Not that this has anything to do with Islam. “Exclusive: Mother Of Boston Marathon Bomber Says US Will Burn,” Vocativ, May 17, 2015 (thanks to Pamela Geller):

Correction: An earlier version of this story stated incorrectly that Zarina Kasenova is friend of Zubeidat Tsarnaeva. It was been corrected to make clear that she’s a supporter.

With her terrorist son sentenced to death, the mother of Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev sent raging messages to his supporters saying the United States will burn “in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire,” a person who knows the mother told Vocativ.

“They think that they are killing us and they celebrate this, but we are the ones who will rejoice when Allah grants us the chance to behold them in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame,” Zubeidat Tsarnaeva wrote Sunday in a WhatsApp message to Zarina Kasenova, a supporter.

Zubeidat Tsarnaeva sent several distraught messages this weekend to loved ones after her 21-year-old son received the death penalty for his role in the Boston Marathon bombings in 2013, Kasenova said….

After her son’s conviction in April, Zubeidat used the social forum to call her son “the best of the best.” In an interview with Vocativ in April via WhatsApp, she said the United States “WILL PAY FOR MY SONS AND THE SONS OF ISLAM, PERMANENTLY!!!”

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Translation: Allah is the greatest. His decisions are the greatest. Inshaallah to him we belong and to him we will return. They think that they are killing us and they celebrate this, but we are the ones who will rejoice when Allah grants us the chance to behold them in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame, inshaallah

I love my sons. with this love I will stand in front of Allah. Thank you dear and may Allah be happy with you.

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  1. Jovial Joe says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    Like mother like son.

    • JamesonRocks says

      May 18, 2015 at 4:41 pm

      Yup… The acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree…

  2. Tom says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    A truly hateful woman. Probably the same kind of hate that motivated her son. If it was me, I’d have her deported before the execution. Baring that, I hope the FBI has a constant eye on her and her supporters.

    The picture kind of reminds me of the wicked witch of the west in the original Wizard of Oz movie. She should have ended saying “..and your little dog too.”

    • Don McKellar says

      May 18, 2015 at 1:34 pm

      Ha! I’ve been suggesting a Rolling Stone cover of her with this picture and her skin tinted green over a few times she’s appeared in on Jihad Watch! And I just did again below and scrolled up to read the other posts and see you’ve beaten me to the comparison!

      I wonder is somebody threw a bucket of water on her, would she melt?

      • abad says

        May 18, 2015 at 7:47 pm

        LOL!

  3. Ernie says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:13 pm

    We ( Christians) don’t celebrate and/or rejoyce in the dead of our enemies , it saddens us , especially when their souls are lost ( to satan) . It is muslims who celebrate and rejoyce in the death of non-muslims .

    • celtic warriarcanada says

      May 18, 2015 at 1:55 pm

      YA RIGHT! AND we ALL FELT SORRY FOR THE POOR GERMAN SOLDIERS KILLED DEFENDING THE REICH STAG. AND THE POOR JAPANESE SOLDIERS WHO RAPED LITTLE GIRLS AND THEN CUT THEM TO PIECES . YA FEELING JOYFUL AT THE DEATH AND DEFEAT OF THESE MONSTERS : WHAT A TERRIBLE SIN ! WHAT A SHAME ! IN an age when JUSTICE IS SCARCE AND EVIL SEEMS TO TRIUMPH ; TO SEE A BAD GUY FINALLY GET WHAT HE DESERVES GIVES THIS CHRISTIAN GREAT JOY AND I’M CELEBRATING ! AND if this is a SIN , THEN I’M SURE JESUS WILL FOR GIVE ME ALSO !!!

      • Ernie says

        May 18, 2015 at 2:09 pm

        I wonder what makes you a CHRISTIAN with the mindset you’re exposing here Celtic… .

        • celtic warriarcanada says

          May 18, 2015 at 2:22 pm

          BECAUSE I’m JUSTIFIED BY FAITH IN THE REDEMPTIVE WORK OF CHRIST ALONE.WITHOUT THE WORKS OF THE LAW.NOT BY BEING A PIUS PACIFIST COWARD LIKE THE ONES WHO STAYED AT HOME WHILE MY DAD GOT HIS ASS SHOT AT LIBERATING EUROPE .

        • Ernie says

          May 18, 2015 at 3:17 pm

          I only made the point about this : THERE IS NO JOY/CELEBRATION IN KILLING for Christians , muslims love it ! I thank your father for his efforts during worldwar II , my family in Europe suffered a lot under the nazi’s , and my family in Asia under the Japanese . I thank everybody who contributed to the liberation of them who survived the horrors . Celtic , please don’t act so agressively to me , if you differ in opinion with me , that’s all fine . Enjoy your evening !

      • LlZ says

        May 18, 2015 at 2:18 pm

        Well, read your Bible. We are not to rejoice in the calamity of others. Jesus said we are to love our enemies. To do otherwise will paint the same picture of hate on our faces as this mother of the Boston Marathon killers. Even if you hide it with a sweet smile, that picture of hatred will be posted on your heart and God sees the heart. God is willing that none should perish (spiritually) but that all would receive eternal life. Pray for the conversion to Christ of the Muslims including all the terrorists and their mothers.
        None of this is to say that I don’t believe in justice and in this case, corporal punishment. But let us practice it with a tear in our eye and a prayer upon our lips.

      • Mo says

        May 18, 2015 at 8:36 pm

        @ celtic warriarcanada

        Go scream elsewhere.

    • Westman says

      May 18, 2015 at 3:58 pm

      The strangeness here is that the mother claims the son is innocent AFTER he fully admitted his guilt.

      Obviously with Muslim Chechens there is no crime if it is done to infidels. No wonder the Russians are brutal in return.

      • Darren says

        May 20, 2015 at 3:50 pm

        I think in her eyes killing infidels isn’t a sin, so therefore her son isn’t guilty of anything. Now normal humans would stop and think, wow my son just killed and hurt a bunch of innocent people, and be shamed and sad for their loss. True believers of this demonic cult don’t view the world like human beings. Anyone who seriously believes in this evil ideology I no longer view as human. I mean if you think killing innocent people is justified because of your cult, and truly believe the other horrible things, then you have no business on this planet.

    • Western Canadian says

      May 18, 2015 at 4:03 pm

      islam (RTC) is not an Abrahamic faith….

      • Ernie says

        May 18, 2015 at 4:32 pm

        Dear Western Canadian , DEWDDS is referring to Christianity , referring to my comments here , but maybe I’m wrong about that .

    • celtic warriarcanada says

      May 18, 2015 at 4:34 pm

      TO ERNIE ! Hay ERNIE , I’m on your side Man ! I’m sure YOUR A FINE CHRISTIAN . Forgive Me For BEING TO AGGRESSIVE WITH MY CHRISTIAN BROTHER (YOU) ! I appreciate that YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I’M COMING FROM ! AND Thank YOU , FOR THE REMINDER THAT CHRISTIANITY IS MORE MERCIFUL AND GRACIOUS THAN ISLAM. With all the carnage and horror these Monsters have PERPETRATED , ITS HARD FOR ME TO REMEMBER THAT GOD’S GRACE CAN REACH EVEN THEM ! P.S. LOVE IN CHRIST JESUS : CELTIC

      • Ernie says

        May 18, 2015 at 4:59 pm

        Thank you Celtic ; yes my brother in Christ , sometimes I get carried away emotionally aswell . There are no adequate words for the horrors of islam , and it infuriates me too . We are Christians , and HUMANS . Your reaction was a very normal human one . No need for asking for forgiveness brother , It’s o.k. , and again , thanks for your reply !

    • Ernie says

      May 18, 2015 at 4:44 pm

      Dear DEWDDS , The sentence given is right , just , no doubt about that , and I don’t contest that at all , I fully support/am behind this well deserved death-sentence . I only can’t feel JOY in the killing of any person when it must be done . However I’m glad that justice has been done . Is that so difficult to understand ?

    • vickie says

      May 18, 2015 at 5:20 pm

      I agree Ernie. There is no joy in seeing evil take over the life of anyone. At one time these Muslims were precious babies and children. They have been warped.

  4. katnis says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    The Rolling Stones need to add another verse to the song “Sympathy for the devil.” This woman has confused good for evil and cannot discern the difference.

    Just as every cop is a criminal
    And all the sinners, saints
    As heads is tails
    Just call me Lucifer
    ‘Cause I’m in need of some restraint
    So if you meet me
    Have some courtesy
    Have some sympathy, and some taste
    Use all your well-learned politesse
    Or I’ll lay your soul to waste

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      May 18, 2015 at 3:30 pm

      But what’s puzzling you
      Is the nature of my game

      Exactly. Mick didn’t know heavy that song actually was. Celebrities can be so prescient, cuz Moslems didn’t dominate the news back in the day of this song.

      But sometimes celebrities confuse and sadden me. For some reason I just don’t understand, I was a big fan of Lindsay Lohan in Mean Girls. I don’t even watch TV serials, but I was in front of TV for every episode of Mean Girls. It must have been her acting, her nuance, her range. Heck, I’ve seen the movie The Canyons 422 times now. Great plot with great acting, and what a performance by Lindsay.

      Anyway, I’ve been a bit downcast since Lindsay popped up on Entertainment Tonight with a Holy Ko-Ran tucked in her arm. I’m confused now.

      • katnis says

        May 18, 2015 at 4:25 pm

        Your comment made me laugh! Completely off topic, but I love Mean Girls and agree that this was Lindsay at her best.

        I find Lindsay’s experimentation with islam / arabic amusing. Who else would try to post the message “You’re beautiful” in arabic, but accidentally send the message “You’re a donkey”?

        Lindsay is even more confused than you are. If she had done her homework, she would know that islam isn’t really glamorous. It might mean wearing a burka… giving up substances… hiding her legs, cleavage, everything…

  5. AnneM says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    Allah = SATAN.

  6. celtic warriarcanada says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    It appears that those of us, WHO SUSPECT THAT RADICALIZATION BEGINS AT HOME, are NOT FAR OFF THE MARK .AND ARE BEING PROVED RIGHT !!! HOME LAND SECURITY Would never admit this of course .AND ANYONE WHO WOULD THINK THIS is OBVIOUSLY A PARANOID ISLAMIPHOBIC BIGOT WHO NEEDS PSYCHIATRIC HELP.

  7. Moshe Akiva says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:23 pm

    Gee, is this woman available? I would like to marry her. So sexy, so feminine, kind, compassionate, caring and loving. I just hope her legs are hairy, and have a nice moustache, too.

    • Ernie says

      May 18, 2015 at 1:34 pm

      Nice one Moshe , hahaha !

    • cs says

      May 18, 2015 at 3:02 pm

      LOL.

    • abad says

      May 18, 2015 at 7:50 pm

      You sure you want to marry someone who humps male goats?? 😉

  8. Don McKellar says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:30 pm

    I’m still waiting for her Rolling Stone cover pic. Maybe they can do a Wizard of Oz take and green tint her skin on the photo above? She’ll be just as glamorous as her son the child murder Islamic jihadi.

    • Shmooviyet says

      May 18, 2015 at 1:42 pm

      Knowing RS, they’d glam her up and pose her with a framed pic of her beloved boy.
      Jerking her chin at the camera.

  9. Shmooviyet says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    The photo says much… the hate in her soul comes out in her snarly, rabid face.

  10. gravenimage says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    Boston Marathon jihad murderer’s mother: Non-Muslims will burn in “flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame, inshaallah”
    ……………………………

    I used to think I do a pretty good Wicked Witch of the West every Hallowe’en, but I’ve got *nothing* on this evil bint.

    More:

    “They think that they are killing us and they celebrate this
    ……………………………

    What grotesque projection. Notice there is no mention that Dzhokar Tsarnaev was given the death penalty because he and his brother murdered and maimed innocent civilians, including small children. Instead, the implication is that we are killing Muslims gratuitously.

    The other falsehood, of course, is that Westerners are celebrating this. Decent Infidels may have been gratified by the justice of the sentence, but we do not celebrate death.

    Who celebrates death and destruction? Why, that would be pious Muslims themselves, who hand out candy when their coreligionists murder innocent people.

  11. williamharvey457 says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    The Obama Administration IS Initiating this Jihadist Infiltration.

    “White House steps up warnings about jihad terrorism on U.S. soil”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/white-house-steps-up-warnings-about-jihad-terrorism-on-u-s-soil

    But-but – Obama, and HIS Administration, just let’s Jihad Terrorists BACK Into the U.S.A., and is Inviting even MORE.

    “American Citizen ISIS Fighters Allowed To Return to America”
    A FEW of MANY Links:

    Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/09/citizen-isis-fighters-allowed-return-america/#gATf6cPzts0tH77X.99
    http://pamelageller.com/2015/01/obama-imported-300000-muslims-into-the-us-in-2013.html/
    http://libertynews.com/2015/04/trey-gowdy-demands-obama-admin-come-clean-about-back-door-refugee-resettlement-program-that-may-allow-jihadists-into-u-s/
    http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/syrian-refugee-program-called-back-door-for-jihadists/
    https://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2013/06/02/obama-tells-senior-un-official-the-united-states-will-be-a-muslim-country-by-2016/

  12. Joseph says

    May 18, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    ” but we are the ones who will rejoice when Allah grants us the chance to behold them in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame,”
    _________________________________________________________
    Sorry “lady” the one you and Islam denies, JESUS CHRIST is the giver of eternal salvation. JESUS and only JESUS holds the keys to the gates of heaven. It will be you that will be bathed with eternal fire and torment. You are so caught up with your hate that you can not, will not see the truth.
    I feel sorry for you. You will die a bitter old woman with nothing to look forward to but eternal pain and suffering, separated from the love of GOD knowing that on this Earth you made a terrible mistake in believing in your Allah who is Satan.
    Your heart is evil and you are going to the place where evil resides.

  13. juancolina says

    May 18, 2015 at 2:10 pm

    The reason for this rage is because she is trying to offload her guilt at encouraging her sons to kill infidels and they paid with their lives. She killed her sons.

    • Western Canadian says

      May 18, 2015 at 10:42 pm

      No, she is to devolved, to brain washed and hate filled, to ever feel guilt.

  14. Liza Jones says

    May 18, 2015 at 2:49 pm

    Pure hatred and rage given legitimacy in a ideology that thrives on rage and hatred. This woman is toxic and her evil has reaped what she sowed in her production of two psychopathic sons, incapable of empathy for others. Sadly, there are many more mothers like her in radical Islam.

  15. Agent of Liberty says

    May 18, 2015 at 2:49 pm

    Revoke her citizenship and deport this trash! And we’re bringing more Islamic trash into this country? REALLY?

  16. Wellington says

    May 18, 2015 at 3:01 pm

    Wretched human being. Good Muslim though.

    • cs says

      May 18, 2015 at 3:04 pm

      yep, Islamic to the core.

  17. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    May 18, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    In light of the revelation in Denmark, is Ma Tsarnaev still getting her monthly sweet pork fat direct deposit Massachusetts welfare cash stipdend even though she’s back home in Cacucasia? I hope so, I like pork myself, think it’s sweet meat, and after what happened to her sons she needs everything she can get.

    They think that they are killing us and they celebrate this, but we are the ones who will rejoice when Allah grants us the chance to behold them in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame, inshaallah.

    Jeez, she sounds disturbing like the way Allah does whenever he pops off with that “horrible murdering” line. She should cool out and read the verses in the Holy Ko-Ran that talk about Jannat, the Moslem porno heaven. It’s Paradise now one of her sons, and eventually will be for the other. I’m sure Tamerlane is having a great time now, a rightly rewarded Mujahidin Martyr. It was smart of Ma to name him after Tamerlane the Great, as in great mass murderer. It all turned out just like Ma planned, so why is she being so bitchy?

  18. Angemon says

    May 18, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    They think that they are killing us and they celebrate this

    News check, “lady”: your son WILL die, and people WILL celebrate. Not because he’s a muslim but because he’s a murderer. Well, he commited murder because he acted upon islamic teachings, so I guess he’ll die because he’s a muslim. Eh!

    And frankly, she should stand trial for child cruelty and as an accomplice to her sons.

    • abad says

      May 18, 2015 at 7:57 pm

      She really should be arrested but I doubt that will happen in Massachusetts.

  19. MM says

    May 18, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    Just reading in silence

  20. Western Canadian says

    May 18, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    The following quote is thanks to “Peggy”, a recent troll who’s purpose here is to stir up hatred for the RC church….. I do not have any love for said church, but have a rather strong objection to fabricating attacks on ANY individual, group, or organization….

    ‘Death Penalty for Boston Marathon Suspect Drives Nail in the Coffin of US Justice System

    Tags: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
    CURRENT EVENTS
    DICTATORSHIP
    POLITICS/ELECTIONS/CORRUPTION

    With the jury’s verdict now in sentencing an innocent man to death, the US justice system is sinking ever lower in its moral decay. So many giant holes in the prosecution’s case were simply ignored. Photos of the shredded backpacks allegedly containing the bombs never matched the backpacks of the Tsarnaev brothers. But the fact that they did match a number of Kraft International private security contractors photographed at the scene meant nothing. When evidence of a staged “realistic” enacted event complete with role actors and stagehand direction, fake bombs and fake blood, pre-marathon announcements of a “bomb drill” confirmed by a public notice in the Boston Globe, and no real evidence that either Tsarnaev brother committed a crime as much as admitted by the feds, there is absolutely no justice left in America today!

    Read more: whatreallyhappened.com http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz3aWIwv89i”

    This site is linked to the one she has offered up as a reliable ‘source’ to attack the RC church…. It is of a kind, a sick collection of loony-toon conspiracy sites, none of which is worth bothering with.

    • Bezelel says

      May 18, 2015 at 4:36 pm

      They’re gonna have a tough time explaining the gun battle with police and the other bomb and all the empty firecrackers in his apartment and on and on.

    • Joseph says

      May 18, 2015 at 5:11 pm

      @ Western Canadian
      Any site that starts out with “Jew bashing” should raise red flags to anyone. I had to force myself to read some of that crap. Funny thing is these people that hate Jews have the audacity to call themselves “Christians”. Like Bezelel said they are going to have a tough time explaining all the other evidence away.

    • Peggy says

      May 18, 2015 at 11:18 pm

      I have had enough of you and your lies.
      When did I say that and show me that post or just shut up. I am fed up with people lying about what I am supposed to have said.
      Please do post my link to which you refer.
      To everyone else here:
      I was replying to someone on another theread about Catholic church not helping the Jews or how they saw the Jews. I posted a link.

      This is the link I posted and it has nothing on Bosbon Bombing.

      http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_catholic_church.htm

      This is not meant to bash the church but the information was being sought by someone else and I provided it. I have no idea about any other comment I made anywhere that were like what this guys says.

      • Joseph says

        May 18, 2015 at 11:44 pm

        @ Peggy
        And I am replying about the site, NOT YOU. Go see for yourself at what crap this site is.

        • Peggy says

          May 19, 2015 at 9:14 pm

          What site are you referrring to? The link I provided does not lead you to the site mentioned so I have no idea what this is all about.
          Now what quote is thanks to me? How did I even imply to such a quote:

          “The following quote is thanks to “Peggy”, a recent troll who’s purpose here is to stir up hatred for the RC church….. I do not have any love for said church, but have a rather strong objection to fabricating attacks on ANY individual, group, or organization….

          ‘Death Penalty for Boston Marathon Suspect Drives Nail in the Coffin of US Justice System

          Tags: COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA
          CURRENT EVENTS
          DICTATORSHIP
          POLITICS/ELECTIONS/CORRUPTION”
          ======================
          Which link from the site I posted a link to brings you to what I am being accused of?
          Finally when did I endorse such a site?
          So this vile creature who decided to take cheap shots at me is reaching to sites I don’t even know exist let alone agree with.

        • Joseph says

          May 19, 2015 at 9:33 pm

          @ Peggy
          W.C. on the end of his post put.
          Read more: whatreallyhappened.com http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz3aWIwv89i”

          This site is linked to the one she has offered up as a reliable ‘source’ to attack the RC church…. It is of a kind, a sick collection of loony-toon conspiracy sites, none of which is worth bothering with.
          —————————————————————————————
          I did not want you to think that I was bashing you when I said “Any site that starts out with “Jew bashing” should raise red flags to anyone.” “anyone” could have been inferred as you. I just wanted to clarify this.
          Did you check out the site though? I know people like this. I think we ALL know people like this.

      • Ernie says

        May 19, 2015 at 5:01 am

        Dear Peggy , I understand , and WILD ACCUSATIONS about you being a troll SHOULD STOP . Peggy , keep it up lady !

        • Ernie says

          May 19, 2015 at 5:39 am

          Mr. Jihadski , YOU MAKE MY POINT , and thank you very much for doing so . Besides , your INSULTS directed at me are saying a lot about you . So I will propose one more thing here : If we don’t agree with each other ( that’s you and me) , at least let’s behave as civilized human beings .

        • Ernie says

          May 19, 2015 at 5:51 am

          Mr. Jihadski , the knowledge you obtained working at your doctorate proves wrong here , so please stop flaunting with that doctorate of yours so often .

        • Ernie says

          May 19, 2015 at 8:02 am

          Mr. Jihadski , I just took a shower , so I was off , yes , and I seriously request from you doing something about your anger issues . The way you behave to Peggy and me is offensive . You accuse and you do wrongly so . You make insinuations , you hurl insults , you use foul language . You are bullying here sir . You are making my point by accusing again , and again , and yes , I protest to that . Now you are trying to gather others in your mischievial behaviour . I might be wrong here sir , but maybe you cut a bit on the booze . Your behaviour is annoying to me . And I like Peggy as I like more people on this blog . I defend the people I like and trust . You don’t impress me anymore with your bullying behaviour Mr. Jihadski . Your behaviour is destructive and there is no point to it . You might have an honest look in the mirror sir

        • voegelinian says

          May 20, 2015 at 4:19 am

          Hmmm… looks like someone has been cleaning up on aisle #9 — removing Phillip Jihadski’s latest implosion, and leaving only the wake of his anger management problems in Ernie’s understandably dismayed reactions — not only here but also in the “Newer” section of this thread.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/boston-marathon-jihad-murderers-mother-non-muslims-will-burn-in-flames-of-an-eternal-and-terrifying-fire-an-otherworldly-flame-inshaallah/comment-page-2#comment-1240813

        • Ernie says

          May 20, 2015 at 7:54 am

          Dear Voegelinian , yes , I just see it now , there has been some “cleaning “. I,m very grateful to the person who did this “cleaning” , so thank you Voegelinian for pointing this out and “cleaning person” : Thank you very much for doing so , it’s good to know there are borders , and the protection coming from these borders . Again : THANK YOU VERY MUCH !

        • voegelinian says

          May 23, 2015 at 3:32 pm

          Since Phillip Jihadski’s outbursts have been airbrushed out, we cannot be certain of their content (though a wearied past experience can reasonably guess); one remark by one of his victims, “Ernie”, indicates a common spasm I have seen from similar oafs on the Internet a thousand times:

          “Mr. Jihadski , I just took a shower , so I was off , yes …”

          I.e., Ernie didn’t respond quickly enough for Phillip Jihadski’s impatient volcano of a temper tantrum and, of course, Phillip Jihadski’s follow-up comment, while he was impatiently waiting like a child about to wet his pants was something along the lines of: “What’s the matter, Jackass? Huh? Too much of a fucking COWARD to respond? Eh, you braying Jackass? You weaselly cowardly Donkey? Cat got your tongue?” Etc., etc., ad infinitely tedious infinitum. This is the friend such stalwart Jihad Watchers as Mirren, gravenimage. Champ, Wellington, Angemon, et al. have chosen to defend.

        • Angemon says

          May 23, 2015 at 4:18 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Since Phillip Jihadski’s outbursts have been airbrushed out, we cannot be certain of their content”

          Actually, those of us who subscribe to JW and comments can. Hence why I kept asking Peggy exactly where did PJ accused her of placing a bomb – PJ didn’t do what she claims he did.

          “Phillip Jihadski’s follow-up comment, while he was impatiently waiting like a child about to wet his pants was something along the lines of: “What’s the matter, Jackass? Huh? Too much of a fucking COWARD to respond? Eh, you braying Jackass? You weaselly cowardly Donkey? Cat got your tongue?””

          Guess again.

          “This is the friend such stalwart Jihad Watchers as Mirren, gravenimage. Champ, Wellington, Angemon, et al. have chosen to defend.”

          And this is what stings you. This is what you take personally. You don’t give a rat’s ass whether PJ’s language is R rated or family friendly. What gets to you is that other people don’t jump in to defend you. Screw their opinions, screw their feelings, screw the topic at hand. If you don’t get what you want from people every single time then you, with the demeanor of a pouty child, start to do to them what CAIR does to people who speak the truth about islam.

          Mirren? Here’s what you said about her on this very topic:

          “Ernie is too kind. He should tell Mirren to go fuck herself.”

          Clearly, Mirren should be eager to jump in and defend you, right?

          As for GI and Champ, no matter what you claim, they’ve defended you in the past. I’m not sure why you pretend they never did, but I’m guessing it’s because somewhere between there and then they had the audacity of disagreeing with you on something. GI pleaded with PJ to cut you some slack, and you relentlessly harras and try to guilt trip her into defending you, claiming she should be defending you.

          As for myself: son, don’t even start. Not after all the times you insulted me, lied about me, misrepresented me and overall acted like a stinky weasel – you run away from criticism, pop in somewhere else to drop a stinker and return to your man-cave to plan the next attack.

          But tell us, oh great voeg, the exalted, the magnificent. Who should we, poor, humble, asymptotic softies, be defending? Should we be defending the cowardly ass who spends most of his time here attacking and deriding counter-jihadis to boost his standing? The person who wants to be the go-to guy in the CJ movement not through his ideas but by lying about and misrepresenting everyone else? The individual who rarely, if ever, addresses his critics directly, preferring instead to talk to the “audience”? No, thanks, I’ll pass. I’d much rather side with the guy who every once in a while may be foulmouthed but stands for what I stand (the superiority of Western culture and values) than with the narcissistic totalitarian proto-fascist who will surely stab me in the back to advance his own agenda.

        • Mirren10 says

          May 23, 2015 at 4:01 pm

          I wondered if you’d come weaselling back to drop a turd, and I see you have.

          Any reply to any of the points I and Angemon made ?

          Nope. Just more of your whining, and attempting to portray yourself as a victim.

          ”I.e., Ernie didn’t respond quickly enough for Phillip Jihadski’s impatient volcano of a temper tantrum and … ”

          Oh boy, this is rich. How many times have **you** complained that people didn’t respond to your posts, and hop to it, as soon as you demanded they do so ? I believe it was dda who once pointed out to you that she lived in a different time zone, and was actually in bed and asleep, when you were excoriating her for not responding to one of your diatribes, tout de suite.

          Your utter hypocrisy makes me puke.

          Your fellow ‘victim’, Ernie, has decamped, because his precious feelings were lacerated, and he didn’t feel ‘safe’, or ‘protected’. He couldn’t stand the heat of the kitchen. He’s a wanker, but you’re worse; a wanker *and* a hypocrite. And a chancer.

    • Ernie says

      May 19, 2015 at 5:14 am

      Dear Western Canadian , I don’t think Peggy is a troll , so , please don’t state that as a fact please . Accusations like this are made to easily and are harmful in my opinion .

  21. Xero_G says

    May 18, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    Perhaps “Mommy Dearest” is just angry that she raised Dzhokhar to kill infidels but he also killed Mommy’s favorite son, Tamerlan, by crushing his evil head under the wheels of a stolen SUV.

    • RG says

      May 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm

      Ya know, I’ve been waiting for somebody to point that out – YEAH, THIS SICK BASTARD KILLED HIS OWN BROTHER! That’s one more cold-blooded murder he should be charged with!!!

    • Joseph says

      May 18, 2015 at 5:16 pm

      @ Xero_G
      He was just spreading Islam….all over the pavement!!

      • rg says

        May 18, 2015 at 5:31 pm

        Good one!

      • abad says

        May 18, 2015 at 8:01 pm

        Is that like “Steamrolled Islam”? LOL

  22. G179 says

    May 18, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    Whatever computer you take, it is worthless if it runs a bad operating system.

    The problem is not the hardware (e.g. Zubeidat Tsarnaeva). The problem is the software (Islam).

  23. Bezelel says

    May 18, 2015 at 4:31 pm

    It appears Zubeidat overshot the caffeine limit. No more espresso for her until she makes some progress in the grieving process. Meanwhile don’t let her near any sharp objects or matches or anything else that can be used to harm someone and massive doses of thorazine. Also I should hope her pen pals are under surveillance. Otherworldly fire indeed.

  24. Optimistic says

    May 18, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    One thing Tsarnaev’s mother is not complaining about is that the non-Muslim nations still accept millions of Muslim immigrants, even though Muslim nations generally accept no non-Muslim immigrants. Apparently she does not want the status quo to change, as far as immigration is concerned. This is the key fact.

  25. RG says

    May 18, 2015 at 5:08 pm

    Just FYI, here’s something for all Christians (and other compassionate faiths) to consider….
    Following quotes are the words of Jehovah God (Yahweh).

    Ps. 2.4,5. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

    Ps. 37.12,13. The wicked plotteth against the just….The Lord shall laugh at him for he seeth that his day is coming.

    Ps. 59.8. But thou, O Lord, shalt laugh at them, thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.

    Prov. 1.25,26. But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will mock when your fear cometh.

    • Fanthead says

      May 18, 2015 at 6:31 pm

      Thank you, RG. Somewhere, C.S. Lewis said, the devil hates to be mocked. Now I know why. And I LOVE that God has a sense of humor.

  26. lacey says

    May 18, 2015 at 5:17 pm

    poor woman ,looks seriously disturbed ,

  27. Christian A. Beltram says

    May 18, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    what Zubeidat Tsarnaeva does not want to believe is that when writing her messages, she announced what her ultimate destination will be, Hell! I am glad that when her end finally comes, I and all good people everywhere will see her in Hell which is where she belongs! The only ones who will experience an eternal fire will be Zubeidat Tsarnaeva and all of her partners in murder!

  28. Dan says

    May 18, 2015 at 6:11 pm

    Didn’t she play the Wicked Witch of the West? She sure looks the part. They would save on makeup.

    • bernie says

      May 18, 2015 at 9:28 pm

      What a hideous, brainwashed woman. Under Sharia, her hands would have been amputated for her shoplifting. I suppose though, if she’d only been stealing from “kuffar”, then that would be ok.

      • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

        May 20, 2015 at 4:10 pm

        That’s exactly right Bernie.

        When I was in London with my [English] husband some years ago he explained that the overclad Muslim ‘women’ we saw in Harrods, etc., were EXPERT thieves. Of course, only from non-muslims. They also employed their young children in this criminal activity.

        In like manner he pointed out the vulgar, leering obscene muslim ‘men’ at the bars all over town who-apparently-honored islam’s alcohol ban more in the breach than the observance…(!?).

        Even then my brilliant husband had it right. ‘They’re dreadful to have in one’s country’, he said. ‘They never assimilate-and they hate us, while helping themselves to all we have and then some’.

        That was in the mid-eighties. How right he was!

    • EYESOPEN says

      May 18, 2015 at 9:28 pm

      Boston Marathon jihad murderer’s mother: “I’m melting…. I’m melting… oh… what a world…”

    • Darren says

      May 20, 2015 at 3:35 pm

      She played one of the flying monkeys I think.

      • sooz22 says

        May 23, 2015 at 6:19 pm

        Nope, please don’t insult the monkeys!

    • Dee says

      Jun 26, 2015 at 12:36 pm

      She sure does look evil.

  29. Richie says

    May 18, 2015 at 6:34 pm

    What a useless family- the mother a total psychopath, her eldest son a serial killer and a bomber, her youngest son also a mass murdering bomber. I think the whole family is a collection of thieves , grifters and killers (aka Muslims) .

    No cooncidence- nowhere in islam will you find any kind of moral compass. Killing, stealing and lying is what passes for morality with Muslims

    • Alissa says

      May 18, 2015 at 9:26 pm

      “her eldest son a serial killer” No kidding. Serial killing is mandated by allah akbar.

  30. Karen says

    May 18, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    Yes, all she has left are lies and denial. One son dead, and the other condemned. Both notorious as murderers and maimers of children. Is this the future she envisioned as she watched her children grow….to be murderers?

    She has some bad times ahead of her, likely with sleepless nights spent trembling at her role in all the destruction. Like Ernie said, I don’t take any joy in that; it’s a grim reminder of what we can sink to without Jesus. But I’m grateful justice is being served.

    • Reggie says

      May 19, 2015 at 7:23 pm

      What are you talking about? Didn’t Jesus say the exact same thing? Worship me or burn in hell forever?

      • Joseph says

        May 20, 2015 at 12:48 am

        @ Reggie
        WHAT???????????????
        NO HE DID NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        READ THE BIBLE, STOP PARROTING GARBAGE.

      • Sergio says

        May 20, 2015 at 5:47 am

        Jesus said that those who fail to lay their faith on him are already condemned to the hellfire. However, he said that such a condemnation will take place in Judgement Day and that in this world no one is fit to judge or condemn other people as immoral (except when it comes to actions commited by members of the church and that are notorious to everyone). The difference is that Jesus’ teachings do not encourage people to commit actions of violence or to believe themselves superior to others (as Christians, we are saved by grace and not by our own merits), while Muhammad’s teachings clearly assert that Jews and Christians are “the lowest of beasts” and that Muslims must punish them in this Earth because the unbelievers are the enemies of Allah. The God of the Bible, on the other hand, is kind to everyone, believer or unbeliever, evil or just. That’s why Christians have been commanded to love everyone, even their enemies.

      • Karen says

        May 20, 2015 at 10:47 am

        Reggie, Sergio said it perfectly. Also Judgement Day aside, Jesus told us, as individuals, to turn the other cheek, and repay evil with kindness, something I’m not very good at yet.

    • Mirren10 says

      May 20, 2015 at 11:32 am

      ”She has some bad times ahead of her, likely with sleepless nights spent trembling at her role in all the destruction.”

      I seriously doubt that. Pious mahoundians *revel* in destruction. And murder.

    • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

      Jun 27, 2015 at 12:07 am

      Karen: Yes-of course this is the ‘future she envisioned as she watched her children grow’! She’s a pious muslim, isn’t she? https://youtu.be/iXY2-OKxEAk

  31. epistemology says

    May 18, 2015 at 7:41 pm

    Very charming lady indeed, she manipulated her sons. But it’s got nothing to do with Islam, obviously

  32. abad says

    May 18, 2015 at 7:46 pm

    She looks insane. Has that Charles Manson look in her eyes.

    Islam is the Religion of Insanity don’t you know……

  33. Steve says

    May 18, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    We should capture her in flight on her broom and send her to Poland for “rendition”.
    Her little boy did one thing right, he ran over his brother.

  34. Kepha says

    May 18, 2015 at 8:57 pm

    ANd, I understand, she faces arrest for shoplifting if she lands in the USA again.

  35. Thomas Paine says

    May 18, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    She reminds me of the Sea Hag from Popeye.

    https://enchantedamerica.wordpress.com/2014/11/16/sea-hag-the-seven-seas/

  36. mach37 says

    May 19, 2015 at 5:02 am

    If only Muslims would allow Allah to take his vengeance on infidels in the hereafter, rather than individuals doing Allah’s work for him. There must be much Islamic satisfaction in sending infidels to early death instead of waiting for Allah to take his retribution.

  37. Graham Ford says

    May 19, 2015 at 7:01 am

    Actually, according to the Holy Bible, it would appear that, since Islam looks awfully like the Beast of the Book of revelation, it is Islam and its adherents who burn in ‘the lake of fire’. Why? presumably the God-who-is-Love objects rather vehemently to his children being raped, murdered, tortured, stolen from, harassed and threatened, and he will have justice. If you are a Muslim, then take care. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    Whereas I have no fear of Allah – ‘cos he doesn’t,in fact, exist.

  38. Johnny mookergee says

    May 19, 2015 at 7:35 am

    Wow what’a witch , no wonder with mothers like that , every Muslim child dreams of jihad and blow themselves up.

  39. Laura says

    May 19, 2015 at 7:50 am

    Do they really believe the vitriolic bile they spew at us, or are they simply trying to get a reaction, so that they can scream, ‘Islamophobia?’

    • Karen says

      May 19, 2015 at 11:03 am

      I think she is working harder to convince herself, more than anyone else. Hence all the shrieking; she’s drowning out the accusations of her own conscience.

  40. Truth Seeker says

    May 19, 2015 at 8:03 am

    Non Muslims will be burned in Eternal Fire is Myth, though it is the Religious Teaching. Many of the Islamic propagandists put forward to criticise other Religions. As per that Logic, one who kills the Charity Worker will get eternal comfort and the martyred Charity worker will be burned in Eternal Fire! Wonderful Logic. Non Muslims are Inferior Creatures who do not have any right to live, and killing them is nothing but child’s play.
    This motivates Killings. But abettors Blabber their Religion is of Peace.
    Did anyone prove, Non Muslims will be burned in Eternal fire?

  41. Edward says

    May 19, 2015 at 3:09 pm

    A wretched lady:

    In Genesis 1 it said that we are created in God’s Image, a gift that I believe is where we inherit our normal love DNA from.

    However, at times sometimes I think not all humans are graced with God’s Image; say like not being conceived according to Genesis 1 creation account. I say this because of what we see in other humans innate behaviors. If you read Islam’s creation account you’ll understand what I am getting at. The question is…..is their another generation….a spinoff generaton… whose entity is from an evil one? However, I perfer to think that we are all conceived as per Genesis 1 accounted, but our mindset can be remolded to what we see in her uncivilized behavior.

    The more I read Ephesians 6:12 “For it is not against human enemies that we have to struggle, but against the principalities and the ruling forces who are masters of the darkness in this world, the spirits of evil in the heavens” is where I think we can be influence by a transcedant spiritual warfare! If we free will to accept it that is, that’s where her dilemma rests!

    http://muslimmatters.org/2012/02/03/the-creation-of-man-as-mentioned-in-the-quran/

    Here is an excerpt from that webpage, having to do with: The “despicable” water.

    “The point that comes across is how Allah brought every one of us into this world from a mere drop of fluid – a fluid that is considered dirty, lowly and worthy of being washed off and discarded; which emanates from a part of the body that is also kept hidden and considered shameful; a part that excretes the filth (urine) from our bodies.”

    My opinion: There’s a complete absence of God’s love, a complete void of God’s warmth. Perhaps, this explains why this poor wretched lady acts the way she does……denying her actual dilemma as well!.

  42. Richard says

    May 19, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    One can only hope that the American authorities see sense and kick that poisonous cunt back to the Islamic shit hole she came from.

  43. xxxChurch100 says

    May 19, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    How come this woman and other muslimas do not have zibibas ???

    It is known with the guy zibiba , gained from continual and sustained head to floor impacts which occur during prayer and the insane behaviors linked to this practice and frontal lobe brain injury are clear.

    Do women have zibibas but disguise them with make up and a hibjab ?

    This woman is unhinged , which I appreciate is a prerequisite for Islamic membership …but a zibiba would at least give some mitigation explanation for her deep hatred of everything .

  44. Ray says

    May 19, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    This woman is deranged. All I can say is “Screw you bitch, your sons are pieces of shit and deserve every bit of the punishment that has been dished out.” I’ll see you rot in hell before I’d ever give in to your demented way of life.

  45. Peggy says

    May 19, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    Ernie says

    May 19, 2015 at 9:17 am

    You have my number( and all my other numbers) ? Good luck with my number mr. Jihadski . Go on living in your sick phantasie world .

    ========================
    Hello Ernie,
    Thank you for standing up for me but as you can see now they have you in their sight too. Once in their sight they will hound you, well Phillip will for sure and never let go.
    I have had problems with Phillip for a while now. He gets away with wild accusations but this time he has gone too far. He has accused us of planting bombs and is threatening us by saying that he has our number. This is criminal behaviour and cannot be tolerated.
    Anyone reading Phillip’s pots must surely by now distance themselves from him as he is most likely mentally challenged. Anyone agreeing with such lunacy cannot be any better themselves.
    We all have the right to our opinions and the right to reply but in a decent and calm way. There is no room for insults and threats.
    I truly believe that most people posting here see the quality of a person he is and anyone who behaves like him. they will not take him seriously.

    • voegelinian says

      May 20, 2015 at 4:00 am

      “I truly believe that most people posting here see the quality of a person he is and anyone who behaves like him. they will not take him seriously.”

      Nah; with extremely rare exceptions, Jihad Watchers either tacitly defend him as a friend (by ignoring his rants and attacks and otherwise being friendly with him), or they whistle and look the other way and make themselves suddenly scarce even though one can see they are active all around the posts and/or threads in question.

      The FOPs (Friends of Phillip) have a lot to answer for, over the years becoming co-dependent enablers of a serial abuser and bully.

      • Ernie says

        May 20, 2015 at 5:03 am

        Dear Voegelinian , if this is the case , it’s very disheartening , and right out sad . This blog is a very important vehicle for the promotion of liberty , freedom . I don’t feel free here anymore . Sad ! Thank you for your comment Voegelinian , You , and your comment here is highly appreciated by me . Be well !

        • voegelinian says

          May 20, 2015 at 3:13 pm

          Phillip Jihadski’s attacks on me by the dozens, even scores (= times 20) over the years has had the effect of poisoning and ruining my community relationship with quite a few Jihad Watch regulars who have refused to stand up for what’s right and defend me. They may disagree with some of my viewpoints on the issues surrounding the problem of Islam, and that’s fine (especially if they can provide an actual counter-argument that shows it is taking my argument into fair and attentive consideration); but that’s a separate matter from the vicious and deranged bullying their friend, Phillip Jihadski, has deployed against me with such frequency it becomes numbing — and surreal that they can’t see it and even defend it or imply that I’m somehow to blame for it.

          A parallel problem tangential to this but related and more subtle, is how Phillip Jihadski and his frequently tag-teaming sidekick “Angemon” time and time again take nitpicking issue with my various formulations of a robust stance vis-à-vis the Three Problems (the Problem of Islam; the Problem of PC MC; and the Problem of Softies in the Counter-Jihad). I don’t mind spirited discussion, disagreement, debate and counter-argument – as long as it’s fair and reasonable, and not a kind of sophistical needling. More importantly, it has seemed that this parallel problem has been ideologically in the consistent service of defending asymptotic principles (“asymptotic” means aspects of PC MC diluted down and repackaged in a context of being (and/or pretending to be robustly) counter-Jihad, with the Daniel Pipes Pipes Dream being the gold standard). Since the FOPs (Friends of Phillip) virtually never comment during these scores of times that Phillip is attacking me and he and Angemon are needling & nitpicking at my stance, one can’t be sure where they stand on the asymptotic softness being aggressively promoted in various subtle ways by PJ and Angemon. After the 300th time of such, and of their conspicuous silence, one can forgive me for assuming that they are, as the kids say, “down with” PJ and Angemon.

        • Angemon says

          May 20, 2015 at 8:34 pm

          As usual, voeg runs his one-man propaganda campaign. Like the nazis, or the communists, or the islamic supremacists, except it’s only one person. And for the same reason the nazis and communists and islamic supremacists had propaganda machines: it takes a great deal of effort to rewrite the truth.

          voegelinian posted:

          “Phillip Jihadski’s attacks on me by the dozens, even scores (= times 20) over the years”

          How many years are you talking about exactly? Because I can’t find any of these alleged “attacks” (which is your blanket term to describe any sort of criticism of your ideas) that go back more than 10-12 months ago. You recently said the same thing about me, that I’ve been “attacking” you for years, and I asked you to provide evidence for it or retract your words. You have yet to do any. So when you’re looking for evidence to substantiate your allegation about me, feel free to do the same for your allegation about PJ – bring forth evidence of these “attacks” from years ago or retract your claims.

          “has had the effect of poisoning and ruining my community relationship with quite a few Jihad Watch regulars who have refused to stand up for what’s right and defend me.”

          You’re leaving out the part where JW regulars saw what was going and stood up for what was right. Which is to say, they called out the childish cry-baby who went out of his way to insult, lie and defame PJ despite PJ giving him several warnings to stop doing so. They simply didn’t like what you were doing, and what you continue to do – throwing stones at others and playing the victim when they make you answer for your actions. Unless PJ can control your actions, it was not PJ who ruined your so-called “relationship” with JW regulars, it was you.

          “They may disagree with some of my viewpoints on the issues surrounding the problem of Islam, and that’s fine”

          Not to you it isn’t. If I or PJ had not disagreed with you on anything you wouldn’t have gone out of your way to lie, insult and defame us. You don’t like criticism, period. Not only you don’t like it, you react to it in childish and puerile manners.

          “(especially if they can provide an actual counter-argument that shows it is taking my argument into fair and attentive consideration)”

          Which, according to you, they never do. You dismiss all and any criticism as “inadequate”:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/pamela-geller-in-time-magazine-a-response-to-my-critics-this-is-a-war/comment-page-1#comment-1234282

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/pamela-geller-in-time-magazine-a-response-to-my-critics-this-is-a-war/comment-page-1#comment-1235415

          You dismiss any and all criticism right without any explanation, you proceed to assault your critics in any possible fashion, and you try to play the victim if the people you assault, defame and lie about fight back. When when people notice that you do that and call you out on it, the cycle starts again. You go out of your way to justify putting people in your sh!t-list and then you whine because those people don’t “defend” you and your borderline sociopathic actions.

          “but that’s a separate matter from the vicious and deranged bullying their friend, Phillip Jihadski, has deployed against me with such frequency it becomes numbing”

          I’d say you’re much more of a bully than all non-muslim regulars here combined. You also have authoritarian, totalitarian tendencies, like when you claimed for others to bully me and PJ:

          http://hesperado.blogspot.pt/2015/01/taking-temperature-of-counter-jihad_9.html

          “If only some of the supposedly more reasonable Counter-Jihad folks (such as Jihad Watch regulars Mirren, Wellington, wildjew, dumbledoresarmy, and others) would step in and chide their fellow Softies (such as Jihad Watch regulars Angemon, Phillip Jihadski, mortimer, Jay Boo, and Salah), using their peer pressure to motivate them to stop being such asses”

          As for the “numbing part, you go out of your way to complain about the so-called “bullying”. Me thinks you’re confusing “numbing” with “oversensitivity”.

          “and surreal that they can’t see it and even defend it or imply that I’m somehow to blame for it.”

          You, on several occasions, outright insulted me and PJ. You also lied about what myself, PJ, and others have said. You placed words in the mouths of several JW regulars and you misrepresented their stances. Sooner of later, other were bound to get your number.

          “A parallel problem tangential to this but related and more subtle, is how Phillip Jihadski and his frequently tag-teaming sidekick “Angemon” time and time again take nitpicking issue with my various formulations of a robust stance”

          “Robust stance”? That’s a laugh. You go back and forth in your opinions and stances so often we might as well start calling you “Jelloegelinian”.

          “I don’t mind spirited discussion, disagreement, debate and counter-argument”

          As I pointed out above, you do. Saying you don’t makes you look like CAIR when they say there’s valid criticism of islam, even though they never found any criticism of islam they consider valid.

          “as long as it’s fair and reasonable, and not a kind of sophistical needling”

          And who gets to decide what’s “fair and reasonable”? Take, for example, your complaints about myself and PJ. Several regulars told you to stop mying about us. Clearly you didn’t think that was “fair and reasonable”, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

          Well, I’m addressing you. I can’t remember the last time you addressed someone in particular. Not in the sense of saying “Angemon says such and such, and he did this and that”, but on the sense of, you know, speaking directly to someone rather than to the audience.

          Oh, wait, I do remember:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/france-muslim-driver-ramming-pedestrians-while-screaming-allahu-akbar-was-absolutely-not-an-act-of-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-1165985

          “More importantly, it has seemed that this parallel problem has been ideologically in the consistent service of defending asymptotic principles (“asymptotic” means aspects of PC MC diluted down and repackaged in a context of being (and/or pretending to be robustly) counter-Jihad, with the Daniel Pipes Pipes Dream being the gold standard).”

          Just so we’re clear, is that your final definition of “asymptotic”? If so, who coined the term? You, Hugh Fitzgerald or Andrew Bostom?

          “Since the FOPs (Friends of Phillip) virtually never comment during these scores of times that Phillip is attacking me”

          Exactly who are the FOPs? Because, like I said, several JW regulars told you to stop attacking myself and PJ, among others. So when people do react to my or PJ’s posts directed at you, your reaction is “these people should be supporting me and they’re not, they should know better”, and when people realize you’re hopeless and stop reacting your reaction is “these people virtually never post when they should”.

          “and he and Angemon are needling & nitpicking at my stance”

          Your stance is misrepresenting and slinging mud at other people so that you can stand out. In fact, you had a whole blog dedicated to do that, Jihad Watch Watch. Remember when I brought that up? You had this to say:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/author-of-islamophobic-french-novel-jihadists-are-bad-muslims/comment-page-1#comment-1172823

          “Angemon is so full of shit here. Anyone looking at my blog (essays posted there since 2006) will see scores of essays that are not “attacking” the CJ at all, but are analyzing the problem of Islam and history.”

          I asked you then to provide links for these alleged “scores” of articles in Jihad Watch watch analyzing the problem of islam. I’m still waiting. Maybe you should get on with it. Unless, of course, there aren’t any.

          “one can’t be sure where they stand on the asymptotic softness being aggressively promoted in various subtle ways by PJ and Angemon.”

          Where and how this alleged “asymptotic softness” is being “aggressively promoted” by either myself or PJ?

          “ After the 300th time of such”

          300 times and you’re incapable of providing even one example? Like I said, one-man propaganda machine.

          “and of their conspicuous silence”

          Silence? I remember people telling you to spot insulting and misrepresenting others.

          “one can forgive me for assuming that they are, as the kids say, “down with” PJ and Angemon”

          You had this to say in your blog:

          “What lifts this Phillip Jihadski fellow from a minor irritant to a medium-sized nuisance is that he counts so many Jihad Watch regulars as friends”

          You don’t really care about PJ “attacking” you. Your issue with PJ is that he seems to have “so many Jihad Watch regulars as friends”. This is a constant theme with you – you said over and over that people should be jumping in to defend you and it stings you that they don’t do that. It stings you that people look at the situation and say make up their own decision rather than acting like your posse. It isn’t about arguments and debate, it’s about getting your daily fix of narcissism.

          So let me see if I got the all the keywords of voeg’s one-man propaganda machine:

          Angemon, PJ, softies, asymptotics, attacking me, I’m the victim, JW regulars, silence, therefore attacking me.

          Did I miss any?

        • Mirren10 says

          May 20, 2015 at 4:38 pm

          ”Phillip Jihadski’s attacks on me by the dozens, even scores (= times 20) over the years has had the effect of poisoning and ruining my community relationship with quite a few Jihad Watch regulars who have refused to stand up for what’s right and defend me.”

          And when have *you* ever stood up for what’s right, and defended anyone ?

          On the contrary, you have **frequently** insulted and attacked people who comment here; sneering at them for being ‘softies’, ‘asymptotic’ ( ridiculous word) and excoriating them for daring to disagree with you, and telling them what they should say, and how they should say it.

          Your sneering comments directed at gravenimage, particularly, come to mind.

          Stop being so bloody wet.

        • Angemon says

          May 20, 2015 at 8:57 pm

          Precisely, Mirren. The situation with GI is very telling of voeg’s character. GI repeatedly pleaded PJ to cut voeg some slack or at least soften his language and approach. Did voeg thank GI? No, he singled her out and insisted that she should be defending him. He won’t be happy until someone insults PJ on his behalf:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/here-we-go-mcclatchy-suggests-limits-on-free-speech-after-texas-jihad-shooting/comment-page-2#comment-1233181

          “And instead of his friends telling him to “knock it off, already, and stop being such a childish ass”, they blame the victim and insinuate, imply, or at times outright tell the victim to moderate or stop his comments”

          But yeah, voeg’s attitude amounts to emotional blackmail and it tells more about him and his character than about the people who supposedly “blame the victim”. And it’s not just with GI. There are other he repeatedly calls out of nowhere to excoriate because of something they posted long ago.

        • Champ says

          May 20, 2015 at 7:08 pm

          Mirren10, you hit the nail on the head! …voeg hasn’t defended ANYONE for years — yet he expects to be defended.

        • voegelinian says

          May 21, 2015 at 4:03 am

          Mirren’s complaint implies I’ve never stood up for anyone on Jihad Watch comments. Obviously, she’s wrong. I’ve stood up for many people over the years against others unfairly attacking them.

          She says I’ve been “sneering” at gravenimage. I’d like Mirren to provide evidence of that.

          But the main thing going on here is that Mirren is defending the indefensible — Philip Jihadkski, and Angemon’s softness which would controvert what Mirren argued nearly one year ago:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/violent-sharia-enforcement-in-uk-muslim-gang-grabs-americans-bottle-smashes-it-over-his-head-beats-and-kicks-him/comment-page-1#comment-1080541

        • Angemon says

          May 21, 2015 at 11:33 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “Mirren’s complaint implies I’ve never stood up for anyone on Jihad Watch comments. Obviously, she’s wrong. I’ve stood up for many people over the years against others unfairly attacking them.”

          And then voegelinian wrote:

          “She says I’ve been “sneering” at gravenimage. I’d like Mirren to provide evidence of that.”

          Voeg is chiding Mirren for not providing evidence to her claim but he doesn’t set the same standards for himself. If he were an honest person he would have posted evidence of what he claims – that he came to someone else’s defense when they were under unfair attack. But even if that were the case, should that excuse him from unfairly attacking others on this blog (or anywhere for that matter)? Of course it doesn’t.

          Voeg has harassed GI and lied about what she did, falsely claiming she never spoke on his behalf while knowing fully well that she did. If his actions prove anything is that he’s a dishonest person who can’t be trusted.

          “But the main thing going on here is that Mirren is defending the indefensible — Philip Jihadkski, and Angemon’s softness which would controvert what Mirren argued nearly one year ago:”

          Nope. She’s not here talking about your “total deportation” meme, nor is she here discussing my or PJ’s stance on that. She is talking about your dishonest and underhanded actions against other JWers.

          That you need to try to change the subject is a testimony to how well she placed you on the spot.

          Now, where’s that evidence of you allegedly defending others from unfair attacks, and why should that mean that they are required to defend you no matter what?

        • voegelinian says

          May 21, 2015 at 4:08 am

          Also, Mirren seems to think that merely belittling a term (“asymptotic”) is enough to prove its unworthiness. That’s an elementary fallacy.

        • Angemon says

          May 21, 2015 at 11:41 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “Also, Mirren seems to think that merely belittling a term (“asymptotic”) is enough to prove its unworthiness. That’s an elementary fallacy.”

          Nah, that’s just you, projecting what you feel when you call someone “asymptotic” or “softy”.

          “Those guys who are criticizing me? They’re asymptotics. And softies. And asymptotics and softies. Did I mention they’re asymptotics and softies? Because they’re like, completely asymptotic and softies”

          Go no further than this very own comment section:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/boston-marathon-jihad-murderers-mother-non-muslims-will-burn-in-flames-of-an-eternal-and-terrifying-fire-an-otherworldly-flame-inshaallah/comment-page-2#comment-1241260

          “But the main thing going on here is that Mirren is defending the indefensible — Philip Jihadkski, and Angemon’s softness“

    • Ernie says

      May 20, 2015 at 4:29 am

      Dear Peggy thank you for your comment here . I agree with you it’s gone way too far , and over an extended period now . This is persecution , and as I stated , there is no point to it . The threats mr. Jihadsky makes only make it worse . It’s even more disheartening to see mr. Jihadski trying to gether a mob to bully us . I don’t feel free anymore : resisting mr. Jihadski’s hate and agression and even thinking about it takes a lot of energy out of me . My energy-level is already compromised by my current health-situation . Yesterday I told mr. Jihadski I was not impressed by his bullying , by now I feel right out intimidated , hated for nothing , persecuted . I’m sick of it . To point out the pointlessness of all this to mr. Jihadski is futile . He just doesn’t respond to reason and continues his bullying/powertrip . Nobody ( untill now ) has confronted him (directly)yet , but myself and you , that this behaviour is not acceptable on this blog . Maybe this is the case because other people on this blog don’t want to be sucked into this nonsense out of fear for this bully , or because some people just don’t care . I feel very vulnerable at this moment , and I’m really tempted to quit . My health , wellbeing and safety have my priority . I have no energy left to battle all this nonsense ( mr. Jihadski’s hatefull attacks ) for I’m in another battle already , the battle for my health . I hope someone will intervene now , and/or that mr. Jihadski will come to his senses . I wish you all the good in the world , and may the Lord Our G-d bless and keep you Peggy . I hope to meet you again on this blog . You are a fine lady . Ernie

      • Mirren10 says

        May 20, 2015 at 4:18 pm

        Ernie, it would appear PJ’s posts on this thread have been deleted. I haven’t read them, so can only go by what you and Peggy have said as to their content.

        Angemon has very eloquently replied to Peggy, and I totally concur with what he’s said.

        As for you, I understand you are in poor physical health, so I’ll ‘cut you some slack’ as the Americans say, on that basis. However, what Angemon said to Peggy also holds true for you.

        Both of you appear to me to be rather childishly thin skinned. And marc’s reply to Peggy is excellent.

        Nevertheless, since PJ’s posts have been deleted, clearly marc agrees with you to some extent.

        • Peggy says

          May 20, 2015 at 5:02 pm

          It’s not a matter of being thin skinned but rather of decency and common courtesy. We are here to exchange ideas and debate issues not to attack and become rude and use foul language.
          Do you think that personal attacks and foul language has any place in a civilized debate? If you do then I would appreciate you not replying to any of my comments. I don’t have time for such stupidity.
          The comments have been removed for a reason, don’t you think? Marc was just as rude in dismissing my concerns but someone has removed the comments. Why do you think that happened?

        • Angemon says

          May 20, 2015 at 9:21 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “If you do then I would appreciate you not replying to any of my comments.”

          That’s not how things work, Peggy. Anyone can reply to your comments whether you appreciate it or not. Either grow a thicker skin and ignore what you don’t like or stop posting. Just don’t expect others bending over backwards to please you.

          “I don’t have time for such stupidity.”

          What were you saying about not becoming rude and using foul language?

        • Mirren10 says

          May 20, 2015 at 5:27 pm

          ”The comments have been removed for a reason, don’t you think? Marc was just as rude in dismissing my concerns but someone has removed the comments. Why do you think that happened?”

          According to *you*, you contacted marc over **Western Canadian’s posts**, not PJ’s.

          Western Canadian’s posts haven’t been removed.

          And as I already stated, clearly marc agreed that PJ went OTT, hence the removal of his posts.

          ” … I would appreciate you not replying to any of my comments.”

          Ditto. You appear to me to be remarkably ‘economical with the truth’.

        • Ernie says

          May 20, 2015 at 6:37 pm

          Dear Mirren , I am very vulnerable at the moment , true , my last operation was april 23 this year , so saying ” childishly thin skinned ” , however giving me some slack here , and I thank you for that , is not really nice , but I’ll survive your comment on this . What was really an issue to me is that J.P. was trying to divide us , again stating that Peggy and myself are muzzies , imposters , and asking/telling certain other individuals to be extra on their guard for Peggy and myself , and threatened with my numbers he had ( so he claimed ) . That’s a realistic safety risk , because I’ve said enough here on J.W. to be hunted down by our common enemy and get hurt . J.P. told me he would shoot me down here at every opportunity in the future and wouldn’t let it go , and that’s persecution Mirren . He accused me and Peggy of terrible things and indeed using very foul language here . And as you can still read in my comments , I think I was not exactly overreacting or thin skinned at all . Please read my comments here concerning J.P’s comments to Peggy and me . I think I was very reasonable . If you think otherwise Mirren , that’s o.k. Thank you for your posting , your opinion and your courage Mirren . I respect and value you . Ernie

        • voegelinian says

          May 21, 2015 at 4:12 am

          Ernie is too kind. He should tell Mirren to go fuck herself.

        • Angemon says

          May 21, 2015 at 11:47 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “Ernie is too kind. He should tell Mirren to go fuck herself.”

          Ah, and here we have voeg’s real character rearing its ugly little head. It’s not that voeg thinks that Mirren should go **** herself. No, voeg would never, ever think such a thing. But, according to voeg, Ernie should. According to voeg, Ernie should be insult Mirren and use foul language, even though voeg disparages PJ for doing so.

          Like I said, dishonesty. Craven dishonesty, and further evidence why you should trust voeg at your own peril.

    • Ernie says

      May 20, 2015 at 4:52 am

      P.S . Peggy , it may be the case we are “chosen” by mr. Jihadski because his rage comes from somewhere else . The realm of darkness , demonic activity . So it may be the case we are attacked by evil spirits that are living in mr. Jihadski . They feed on hate and pain, and preferably attack the faithful . those who love Jesus Christ , our Lord . And we are suffering for our Lord now .

      • voegelinian says

        May 20, 2015 at 3:39 pm

        When one behaves as outrageously as Phillip Jihadski does, and when the majority of people in the community in which he is misbehaving ignore/excuse/even countenance his misbehavior, his victims have a right to psychologize his behavior. I theorize that Phillip Jihadski is psychologically tormented by a tension between two vectors:

        1) his growing awareness of the horrible problem of Islam (which leads inexorably, no matter how much the person in question is in asymptotic denial about it, to the growing awareness of the horrible problem of Muslims)

        2) his inability to fully free himself from residual PC MC inclinations.

        This tension is seen in a lot of people, of course, in and out of the Counter-Jihad. Each individual is to be seen in a case-by-case basis, with factors special to their case. Among those factors in PJ’s case that we may reasonably conjecture exacerbate his tension in this regard would be (a) his emotional instability (and who knows what the sources of that are) and (b) his interesting personal experience sojourning in various countries of the Muslim world (e.g., Turkey, Libya, Egypt — and who knows, perhaps many other Muslim countries as well) for reasons that remain murky (business? pleasure? both?). For a solidly PC MC person, of course, frequent stays in Muslim countries would usually produce little or no cognitive dissonance or tension; but for a person already on the fast track of that horrible LCPOI we all are on (Learning Curve on the Problem of Islam) as PJ is, this tends to produce profound effects, as the person on that LCPOI is more aware of the seamy underside of Islam and more acutely notices it amongst the smiling friendly oh-so hospitable Muslims of a Muslim country du jour. But, again, dear Inattentive Reader: remember PJ’s complicating vector #2 noted above, along with its attendant two factors.

        • Angemon says

          May 20, 2015 at 8:42 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “When one behaves as outrageously as Phillip Jihadski does, and when the majority of people in the community in which he is misbehaving ignore/excuse/even countenance his misbehavior, his victims have a right to psychologize his behavior”

          And others have the right to doubt the accuracy of said psychoanalysis, especially if the people doing the analysis is clearly unqualified to do so if, for no other reason like the lack of credentials, because he’s partial and has lied about PJ before.

          “and (b) his interesting personal experience sojourning in various countries of the Muslim world (e.g., Turkey, Libya, Egypt — and who knows, perhaps many other Muslim countries as well) for reasons that remain murky (business? pleasure? both?)”

          This is a laugh. PJ has unambiguously stated the reason of traveling to muslim countries. Not only that, he often brings up on his personal experiences in muslim countries and none of them so far has been favourable to muslims or islam. And this is just the kind of misrepresentation and mudslinging that brought PJ’s wrath upon voeg. Like I said on my previous post, “one-man propaganda machine”. Can’t have the truth rearing it’s ugly head, eh voeg?

    • Ernie says

      May 20, 2015 at 6:14 am

      Dear Peggy , yeah ,let’s rejoyce and praise the Lord our G-d in Heaven !

      • Ernie says

        May 20, 2015 at 6:44 am

        And let’s do good Peggy, pray for all them who persecute us , that they may be freed of their shackles , blindness and hate coming from the evil one . For Christs sake . That they may find the love of Christ in their hearts too ! Amen .

        • Peggy says

          May 20, 2015 at 7:52 am

          I am so sorry to hear that you feel to be the one who needs to stop coming here. You would think that moderators of this site would do something to stop the abuse coming from people like him but sadly I found out they don’t care and even ridicule you for pointing it out.
          I contacted the site via the link on the right hand side of any page and told them and even posted some of the abusive wording. It was not abuse from Mr Jihadski but from western canadian and the reply I got is really unsettling. Let me post the reply here now. It’s very short and very childish. If Robert Spencer has people like this working for him then his reputation is quickly going to go down.

          Here is the reply from them.

          To: Peggy Cc: marc @ JihadWatch

          I’m not a hall monitor and this isn’t 6th grade. Deal with it or don’t, but don’t come running to daddy for help. I ain’t him.
          ————————————
          This is the quality of Mr Spencer’s staff. I am truly shocked.

        • Angemon says

          May 20, 2015 at 3:07 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “I am so sorry to hear that you feel to be the one who needs to stop coming here. You would think that moderators of this site would do something to stop the abuse coming from people like him but sadly I found out they don’t care and even ridicule you for pointing it out.
          I contacted the site via the link on the right hand side of any page and told them and even posted some of the abusive wording. It was not abuse from Mr Jihadski but from western canadian and the reply I got is really unsettling. Let me post the reply here now. It’s very short and very childish. If Robert Spencer has people like this working for him then his reputation is quickly going to go down.

          Here is the reply from them.

          To: Peggy Cc: marc @ JihadWatch

          I’m not a hall monitor and this isn’t 6th grade. Deal with it or don’t, but don’t come running to daddy for help. I ain’t him.
          ————————————
          This is the quality of Mr Spencer’s staff. I am truly shocked.
          ”

          No, what’s childish and shocking is your attitude. If you don’t like what someone says or how they act then ignore them. Running to the nearest figure of authority, complaining that someone “hurt your feelings” and demanding the “offending” posts to be removed, like a muslim with a bacon sign on a restaurant, simply won’t cut it. If, for no other reason, because it amounts to censorship.

          You know what would happen if everyone who complained about getting their feelings hurt got the “offensive” posts removed? There would be no post in JW. None whatsoever. And I’m not talking about comments, I’m talking about the articles posted by the staff.

          No one is forcing you to come here and read the posts and comments. If you can’t ignore a particular user, or set of users, then stick to reading the posts and ignore the comments section. If you’re unable to do that then simply stop coming to JW and stick with other CJ websites. If you can’t control your impulses then get help. The site has been up and running for over 10 years, so don’t worry about Mr. Spencer’s reputation – if he based his actions on how they would affect his reputation – like any given politician – then there would be no Jihad Watch website because Mr. Spencer would stick to something with wide mainstream acceptance. Like, for example, singing praises to islam.

        • Ernie says

          May 20, 2015 at 8:25 am

          Dear Peggy this is shocking indeed , and shows a great lack of empathy or even normal decency . The tone is one of irritation , and very unfriendly .( and that is totally unnecessary here I think ) . Another challenge to deal with , PFFFFFFFFFFFT . Good news is that someone has been doing some(selectively of course) “cleaning” here , and has removed the hateful content of certain reactions we received , including the threats . And that gives hope . We have some protection after all , good to know , and something to be grateful for . Peggy , I will take a “time out” visiting this blog , for the time being it has been enough . I know I have friends here , including you , and I appreciate all of you . I just don’t have the energy and stomach at this moment to continue my visits here . I have to think things over , and honestly , I don’t know or I’ll be back . I thank you all for your support and love here friends . May the Lord Our G-d bless you and keep you all . Love : Ernie

        • Mirren10 says

          May 20, 2015 at 3:34 pm

          Angemon, *excellent* riposte to ‘Peggy’.

          Is it just me, or are people in general becoming so utterly babyish, and oh, so sensitive ?

          As marc correctly points out, this ain’t the 6th grade.

          And I’d just add; if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. 🙂

          Peggy, I mean, not you !

        • voegelinian says

          May 21, 2015 at 12:29 am

          Yes, Mirren’s solution sounds reasonable: anyone and everyone who has a substantive complaint about anyone else should be considered “babyish” and unable to “take the heat” of the “kitchen” and should probably best leave. Yes, that makes sense…

        • Angemon says

          May 21, 2015 at 11:20 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “Yes, Mirren’s solution sounds reasonable: anyone and everyone who has a substantive complaint about anyone else should be considered “babyish” and unable to “take the heat” of the “kitchen” and should probably best leave.”

          And exactly where did Mirren say such a thing? Oh, wait, Mirren didn’t, as anyone reading the comments section can attest to. What happened is that you can’t simply have someone criticize you. No, you need to disparage them for doing so. People HAVE to take your side no matter what. No matter if you’re wrong, no matter what they think, other people just must have to take your side. No matter what.

        • Mirren10 says

          May 21, 2015 at 5:01 am

          I see you have totally ignored my point about you never ‘standing up for what’s right’ or defending anyone, but demanding others rush to *your* defence, after you have gratuitously insulted them.

          Neither have you replied to Angemon’s point that you never take on trolls, or various apologists for islam, Christianity bashers et al; and instead devote your time to sneering at, and attacking, those who do; those who one would think would be your allies. And then you have the brass neck to complain people don’t come rushing to your defence ? You complain about *PJ* poisoning your relationships with the regulars at JW ? Nope. You’ve done that all by yourself. Get stuffed.

          Instead, you choose to focus on this:

          ”Yes, Mirren’s solution sounds reasonable: anyone and everyone who has a substantive complaint about anyone else should be considered “babyish” and unable to “take the heat” of the “kitchen”

          Yes, in my opinion, except in very *rare* cases, those who complain about other’s posts, and **go running to marc** to ‘defend’ them, and ‘protect’ them, *are* exhibiting babyish behaviour. As Angemon eloquently pointed out to that po faced twit, Peggy, no-one is forcing anyone to read anyone else’s posts, or comments.

          The decision to delete posts, or ban anyone, is entirely up to Robert and/or marc. How marc and/or Robert choose to reply to people’s complaints is also up to them. I thought marc’s reply to the idiotic Peggy was spot on.

          This is Robert’s blog, he allows us to comment here, and he is entitled to do whatever he thinks fit. If people like Peggy and Ernie don’t like it, then yes, they should go elsewhere; some blog where their oh so precious sensitivities are ‘protected’, and ‘defended’.

        • Ernie says

          May 21, 2015 at 5:54 am

          Mirren 10 , I’m respectful in my behaviour towards you , it would be nice to get some respect back from you . I think you’re not doing a great job about that at the moment , and you are not the only one here . It hurts not only me , it hurts and damages this blog .

        • Mirren10 says

          May 21, 2015 at 1:53 pm

          Come off it, Ernie.

          I originally defended you because I I believed PJ was wrong, in identifying you as a mohammedan troll.

          I still think he was wrong; but I **do** think you exhibit many of the leftard.PC/MC illnesses.

          ”Mirren 10 , I’m respectful in my behaviour towards you , it would be nice to get some respect back from you”

          Ernie, respect is a quality that has to be *earned**. You don’t get respect from merely demanding it, as your right

          . One doesn’t earn respect, merely because one dislikes what someone else says, and says so. You don’t get respect because somebody else has said something you you deem ‘disrespectful’. Respect comes from a person’s courage, their ability and determination to fight against what the consensus tells them they must do.

          What, exactly, Ernie, do you feel is the ‘respect’ I should be showing you ? I certainly don’t feel any respect for Peggy, and the fact you endorse her pathetic little diatribes, makes me wonder what on earth you think is the point of respecting anything. It ceratinly doesn’t make me think I should respect you. On what basis ?

          OK, I’m going to take a big breath here, and do what dda has frequently counselled, when a thread has **wildly** gone off topic.

          Get back to what the original thread says.

          And it says this :

          ”Boston Marathon jihad murderer’s mother: Non-Muslims will burn in “flames of an eternal and terrifying fire, an otherworldly flame, inshaallah”

          This, is a **mother**. One who has nurtured a child in her womb, one who has, presumably, loved and protected that child. But none of that preemepts the jihad; the desire to ‘make all the world for

          She is one sick bitch.

          But, on the other hand, islam is one sick religion.

    • Angemon says

      May 20, 2015 at 2:49 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “He has accused us of planting bombs”

      Where did he said that?

      “and is threatening us by saying that he has our number.”

      Huh, did he say he had your telephone number or did he say that to mean he knew what you’re up to? “I’ve got your number figured out”, “I’ve got your act”, “I’ve seen through you” – all variations with the same meaning.

      • Peggy says

        May 20, 2015 at 5:12 pm

        The comment has been removed now so I can’t produce it but it was there long enough for all to see. Conveniently you can’t remember it now.
        Someone telling you that they have your number doesn’t mean they have you phone number and you know it. They are watching you but what purpose? I know there is no way he can hurt anyone physically but threatening someone is not on anyway. It shows inability to debate sensibly and turning into the very people we are condemning here, Jihadists.
        Don’t like something you read, threaten and abuse.
        Surely you can’t defend that.

        • Mirren10 says

          May 20, 2015 at 5:37 pm

          ”Someone telling you that they have your number doesn’t mean they have you phone number and you know it. They are watching you but what purpose?”

          Clearly, ‘watching’ your posts. To see what further idiocies you come up with. Or isn’t that allowed in your universe ?

          You’re being totally ridiculous, now.

        • Ernie says

          May 20, 2015 at 7:32 pm

          Mirren , please read my comment to Angemon , about those ” numbers “, it could explain something you maybe haven’t been thinking of .

        • Angemon says

          May 20, 2015 at 9:17 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “The comment has been removed now so I can’t produce it but it was there long enough for all to see. Conveniently you can’t remember it now.”

          Let’s see if you can spot the contradiction. You can’t produce it and prove PJ accused you of what you claim he did, but it’s convenient I can’t remember it?

          “Someone telling you that they have your number doesn’t mean they have you phone number and you know it.”

          Which it was exactly the point I made. Thank you for agreeing with me on that. PJ claimed you are muslims and that he got your number, he saw through your act, he knew what you were doing. Not that he got your phone number or was watching you IRL.

      • Ernie says

        May 20, 2015 at 7:18 pm

        Dear Angemon , you might be right about those “numbers” , however , I interpretated it in another way : those “numbers” can relate to a certain computer in a certain geographical position corresponding with a certain posting code area . It has been the case here earlier on this blog that the posting-code of a troll was revealed by , if I remember well , Philip Jihadski . A precedent so to speak . The reveiling of my posting-code-area would be a very realistic danger for me . I’ve said enough here on J.W. to anger lots of muslims Angemon .

        • Ernie says

          May 21, 2015 at 3:25 am

          No Mr. Jihadski you are dead wrong again . YOU are dividing us here , and any troll would have been proud of what you have accomplished here . Your accusations are POISONING. And I’m just over I think 6 months here , or something like that . So , stop accusing me WRONGLY of being a troll ,and/or by accusing me WRONGLY of being a muslim mr.Jihadski , THERE IS NO POINT TO IT . YOU ARE PERSECUTING ME mr.Jihadski . Your hate against me and Peggy : THERE IS NO POINT TO IT .

        • Ernie says

          May 21, 2015 at 3:59 am

          No , mr. Jihadski , your greatest gift is BLIND HATE .

  46. Carlos Malleum says

    May 20, 2015 at 4:50 am

    You see, this is the problem with Muslimics. Islam teaches self pity, victimhood, iresponspbility for personal decisions and actions, blame and hate. This is why all muslimic nations are stuck in the dark ages.

    Putting aside the human tragedy of losing one son and having another sentenced to death for the murder and maiming of many innocent people and the natural human grief any mother would have in that situation. Islam permits her to deny all responsibility for raising two children who turned out like this and instead elevates them to heros. Her grief is therefore warped into faith sanctioned hate. You only have to look at her twisted rage filled face to see the black and corrupted heart within.

    Truly this is an evil and inhuman creed and the sooner we ban it from our free and englightened societies the better. All other faiths get along pretty much ok with the sole exception of the ‘religion of perpetual offence’

    Raymond Ibrahim was writing about this culture of victimhood on his site recently, he states that before you indulge it you must understand that it entirely has its roots in Islamosupremacism. The rage is about ‘how dare you! insult us because we are superior’. The faith is a cancer, a parasite and a creed for bullies and tyrants.

    it disgusts me.

  47. Steve says

    May 20, 2015 at 7:21 am

    She is starting to sound like Pat Robertson or Bill O’Reilly.

  48. Peggy says

    May 20, 2015 at 9:28 am

    I don’t know or I’ll be back . I thank you all for your support and love here friends . May the Lord Our G-d bless you and keep you all . Love : Ernie
    ———————————
    Ernie, I wish you good health and happiness.
    You are a true gentleman and I for one will miss your kind words.
    Hope to cross paths with you again.

    • Ernie says

      May 20, 2015 at 7:53 pm

      Well Peggy and all others, as you can see I’m back , it was a very short time-out . I’m glad to be back . I’m less happy arriving in such a mess .

    • Ernie says

      May 21, 2015 at 6:14 am

      Dear Peggy , I’m leaving , and not returning . I didn’t come to this blog to get abused : so to everybody who loved and/or respected me here : I thank you , and may the Lord our G-d bless you and keep you . I know I should pray for my haters , and forgive them ; in time that will happen , not now , the pain is to much .

  49. Truth Seeker says

    May 20, 2015 at 9:30 am

    Westerners seem to be digging own grave.They think on the pretext of Multiculturalism, submitting to Muslims will change the mind of Muslims and they will become part of human society.
    But it is impossible task. Their aim is to subjugate the West and Establish Caliphate and Implement Sharia.
    The idea of Multiculturalism is already proved to be Blunder.
    Remember, No One can Straighten the Tail of Dog. Thus No One can bring Muslims out of Cruelties and Savagery.

  50. RG says

    May 20, 2015 at 12:14 pm

    What’s beyond all rational belief, in my opinion, is that these ‘intellect deprived’ psychopaths actually think that their acts of murder and hatred are a “gift” to glorify the Almighty! Of course, the allah-god is by no means The Almighty God, nonetheless, to their demented way of thinking, they are doing HIS WORK on earth! It’s the most evil convoluted system of “religiosity” on earth – patently SATANIC!!!!!

  51. Peggy says

    May 20, 2015 at 5:08 pm

    Angemon said:

    No, what’s childish and shocking is your attitude. If you don’t like what someone says or how they act then ignore them. Running to the nearest figure of authority, complaining that someone “hurt your feelings” and demanding the “offending” posts to be removed, like a muslim with a bacon sign on a restaurant, simply won’t cut it. If, for no other reason, because it amounts to censorship.
    —————————————-

    Actually it is you who thinks like a Muslim. If someone says anything you don’t approve of you go on the attack.
    Now which group goes on the attack immediately if their feeling get hurt?
    I am simply standing up for decency on this site.

    I find it odd that you condemn me for complaining about being attacked. It’s like condemning the victims of terror attack complaining that they got attacked because they drew a cartoon.
    Think about it.

    • Angemon says

      May 20, 2015 at 9:06 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “Actually it is you who thinks like a Muslim. If someone says anything you don’t approve of you go on the attack.”

      Nope. I’m speaking my mind and expressing my disagreement with you and your attitude. I’m not forcing you to do anything nor am I asking for someone to remove your posts. No one is forcing you to read what I post and no one is either forcing or preventing you from replying to it.

      “Now which group goes on the attack immediately if their feeling get hurt?”

      What group are you in again?

      “I am simply standing up for decency on this site.”

      Did Robert or Marc hired you to do so? Or are you just trying to shove your definition of “decency” down on our throats? What else falls under your definition of “decency”?

      Like I said, this site has been online since 2004, and since then it has been under heavy scrutiny from its detractors, eager to jump at the tiniest chance they get to blame Robert of “bigotry” or “islamophobia”. There’s already a decency police, thank you very much, and it’s made of people who think women should cosplay as portable tents.

      • Peggy says

        May 20, 2015 at 10:46 pm

        It must be torture having to live with such anger and venom every day.
        PJ attacked me and I didn’t even have a conversation with him. He used foul language, intimidation, accusations of Ernie and I planting bombs and calling us Muslims. He couldn’t even tell me what I said that got him so angry. He took his direction from someone else which smells of gang mentality.
        So if you disagree with someone do you go into a fit of rage, start abusing the other person, call them names and use foul language or do you put your response in a decent manner?
        Can you please give me an answer on that?
        All I am complaining about is the manner of a reply and the attempt to blacken my character by accusing me of planting a bomb. All this is lies but it doesn’t seem to stop PJ.

        Now you are defending this sort of interaction and it think it should be seen as correst?

        Let me tell you again. It was western canadian and PJ who attacked me for something western canadian decided was my sin. Who do you know does this? You’re right Muslims. So when I say that it is them who are behaving that way you go on and have a go at me too. You don’t even realize that you are part of a mob memtality and defend vulgarity.

        • Angemon says

          May 21, 2015 at 10:55 am

          Peggy posted:

          “It must be torture having to live with such anger and venom every day.”

          I wouldn’t know. I’m not the one running to the nearest authority when I don’t like something.

          “PJ attacked me and I didn’t even have a conversation with him.”

          Didn’t you reply to his posts and he to yours? Seems like a conversation to me.

          “He used foul language, intimidation, accusations of Ernie and I planting bombs and calling us Muslims.”

          Once again, exactly when did he say you planted bombs? Remember, you already admitted you don’t remember exactly what was said.

          “He couldn’t even tell me what I said that got him so angry.”

          He did.

          “He took his direction from someone else which smells of gang mentality.”

          Why are you saying he was taking directions from someone else, and who do you think is allegedly giving him those directions?

          “So if you disagree with someone do you go into a fit of rage, start abusing the other person, call them names and use foul language or do you put your response in a decent manner?”

          I wouldn’t call whining to get someone’s posts removed a decent manner. To each their own, I guess.

          “Can you please give me an answer on that?”

          I can. Each person reacts on his or her unique way depending on several factors including, but not limited to, the question or statement in question, the context, the personality of the people involved, whether they have any history, etc.

          Now we got that red herring out of the way, we can focus on what’s important.

          “All I am complaining about is the manner of a reply and the attempt to blacken my character by accusing me of planting a bomb. All this is lies but it doesn’t seem to stop PJ.

          Why are you running your own propaganda machine? Why are you so hateful of PJ that you need to lie about what he posted? It’s unfortunate that PJ’s posts were removed. That suits you perfectly – you can go and accuse PJ of everything you can remember and people can’t read PJ’s posts to see for themselves.

          Now, once again, are you sure that PJ said he had your phone numbers and accused you of planting bombs? Or did he say he got your numbers meaning he saw through act and said muslims placed bombs?

          “Now you are defending this sort of interaction and it think it should be seen as correst?”

          I’m not doing nothing of the sort. This is just another example of the sleazy tactics you willingly engage on. I questioned what you claimed about PJ and about your commentary on the action of the moderators. If you don’t want to answer that, so be it. But not only you don’t want to answer it, you also go out of your way to make insidious claims about me.

          Now, did PJ say he had your phone numbers and accused you of planting bombs? Or did he say he got your numbers meaning he saw through act and said muslims placed bombs?

          “Let me tell you again. It was western canadian and PJ who attacked me for something western canadian decided was my sin. Who do you know does this? You’re right Muslims.”

          Are you implying that WC and PJ are muslims? Or are you having a knee-jerk “NO U” reaction to me saying you were acting like a muslim when you whined at the reply you got from JW staff?

          “So when I say that it is them who are behaving that way you go on and have a go at me too.”

          More false claims. I called you out on your overall childish behaviour, from making false claims about what PJ posted to your whining at the reply you got from JW staff. Claiming I’m “having a go at you too” is tarrying me with a broad brush. Either prove I’m doing what you claim PJ did – using foul language, accusing of being a muslim, saying you planted bombs, etc – or retract your words.

          “You don’t even realize that you are part of a mob memtality and defend vulgarity.”

          Herp derp, I’m too stoooopid to realize what I’m doing. Luckily you are here to tell me how to act, what to say, and how to think, right? This is exactly the kind of behaviour I loathe with all the strength I can muster from all the fibers in my being. A self-righteous “enlightened” one who thinks everyone else must do and say what they want and that those who don’t must be punished. That’s exactly how progressive, totalitarian thugs act.

          Let’s face it, your issue with PJ and WC is not their language. I’ve seen them using coarser language. Where were you then? In fact, I’ve seen others using similar language. Where’s your outrage? Where are your calls to have ALL those posts removed? Why aren’t you scouring all archived topics and taking notes of who used foul language and where? So spare me your flimsy “I’m just worried about decency” excuse – as far as I’m concerned, if your actions here proved something is that you’re no better than those people who rebuke the cartoon exhibit with the excuse that it’s “offensive” to muslims.

          Here’s some food for thought:

          “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”
          Voltaire

    • Angemon says

      May 20, 2015 at 9:12 pm

      Also, this:

      “I find it odd that you condemn me for complaining about being attacked.”

      Nope. That’s not what I did. I called you out on your childish behaviour – how you demanded PJ’s posts to be removed and how you pouted at the reply you got, which amounted to “grow up”.

      Like I said, no one is forcing you to read PJ’s posts. If you feel you’re being wrongfully accused then present your case or ignore it and move on. What you did was to go to the nearest authority figure and demanded they fixed your problem. That’s not how things work and, if it were me, I’d given the same kind of reply.

  52. Peggy says

    May 20, 2015 at 7:01 pm

    Mirren10 says

    May 20, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    ”Someone telling you that they have your number doesn’t mean they have you phone number and you know it. They are watching you but what purpose?”

    Clearly, ‘watching’ your posts. To see what further idiocies you come up with. Or isn’t that allowed in your universe ?

    You’re being totally ridiculous, now.
    ===============================
    That was just one of the juvenile things he said but saying that Ernie and I planted bombs is clearly out of line. Using the F word at us is also out of line.
    Do you actually defend that?
    Do you even know what you are attacking ande defending? What exactly did I say that you find abhorent and makes you jump to PJ’s defence? I am quite sure you don’t even know what I said and what western canadian or PJ said and here you are jumping to their defence.
    If you would be so kind as to point out what it is that I said upset you so much it would give me a clearer picture. If you are just defending PJ without knowing what went on then you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

  53. Champ says

    May 20, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    Wow she could be mother-of-the-year!

    /sarc

  54. Peggy says

    May 21, 2015 at 7:31 pm

    Angemon said:

    “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”
    Voltaire

    ==============================

    I wasn’t going to reply to any more posts from you but this is priceless.

    The whole mess started with me posting a link to a website WC found objectionable. Instead of adopting this mantra he immediately went on the attack and used foul language.
    PJ injected himself into the conversation and his attacks were even more brutal and slanderous. Accusing Ernie and I that were planted bombs. Yes, that was removed so I cannot produce it now but plenty of people saw it I’m sure.
    Then you came along and immediately sprung into at attack as well. Did you know at the time that my only “crime” was to post a link to a website? If you did, then you certainly don’t practice what you preach.
    You said that I engaged in dialogue with PJ. Yes, that was only after he attacked me. I certainly did not approach him or even WC. My post with the link was a reply to someone else.
    So not only do none of you practice this mantra, you inject yourself into conversations between others and attack.
    Ernie got attacked for simply trying to defend me. In other words you have every right to group together, attack someone who wasn’t even talking to you but dare anyone come to that person’s defence they will be savaged too.
    If that’s not gang mentality, I don’t know what is then.

    • Angemon says

      May 21, 2015 at 8:50 pm

      Peggy posted:

      “I wasn’t going to reply to any more posts from you but this is priceless.”

      Then don’t. Or at least don’t announce you were going to do something only to decide to do the exact opposite. It makes you look iffy.

      “The whole mess started with me posting a link to a website WC found objectionable. Instead of adopting this mantra he immediately went on the attack and used foul language.”

      So he disagrees with what you have to say. Big effin’ deal.

      “PJ injected himself into the conversation and his attacks were even more brutal and slanderous. Accusing Ernie and I that were planted bombs. Yes, that was removed so I cannot produce it now but plenty of people saw it I’m sure.”

      And exactly were did he say you planted these alleged bombs? What you’re forgetting is that I’m one of the people who I saw the comment. He didn’t say you and Ernie specifically placed bombs anywhere. He meant that muslims placed bombs, much like we say Turks committed the Armenian Genocide or Indonesians committed jihad in East Timor, or muslims killed 270 million people in the 1400 years since the invention of islam.

      “Then you came along and immediately sprung into at attack as well. Did you know at the time that my only “crime” was to post a link to a website? If you did, then you certainly don’t practice what you preach.”

      Time out, Peggy. I started by calling you out on your childish behaviour – you expected the staff to come in and remove PJ’s posts. The post is there, anyone can see for themselves. It was advice, and good advice, and it would have stayed at that if you hadn’t try to play the victim with the subtlety of someone forcing an hexagonal peg on a round hole with a sledgehammer. That you’re trying to retcon it into some sort of unprovoked attack only goes to show I had your number all along – grow up and stop trying to shove your so-called sense of “decency” down our throats. As for me not practicing what I preach, you’re the one who tried to get posts removed. Show me where I tried to do the same to any of your posts or retract your words.

      “You said that I engaged in dialogue with PJ. Yes, that was only after he attacked me. I certainly did not approach him or even WC. My post with the link was a reply to someone else.”

      This is a public forum. When you post something, even if aimed at someone in particular, anyone can see it and comment on it. Do you want to regulate that as well, alongside the language we’re allowed to use? Should we require permission from someone before replying to anyone?

      “So not only do none of you practice this mantra, you inject yourself into conversations between others and attack.”

      Repetition, repetition, repetition. Something about repeating a lie long enough, right? Like I said, you are the one who tried to get someone’s posts removed, not me, so you need to retract your words and apologize. As for “injecting” into conversations, like I said, public forum. As for the “attack” part, like I said, it was advice, and good one – you need to grow up and stop trying to shove your false decency down out throats. Did the staff also “attack” you when they told you to deal with PJ’s posts?

      “Ernie got attacked for simply trying to defend me. In other words you have every right to group together, attack someone who wasn’t even talking to you but dare anyone come to that person’s defence they will be savaged too.”

      Who did I allegedly group with and who did I allegedly attack? Here’s how I see it: you made an accusation you can’t substantiate and my attempts to look into it are labeled by you as an attack.

      See the problem there? You’re reacting like the turks do when someone mentions the Armenian genocide. Or like muslims do when someone criticizes islam or tries to draw muhammad – “help, help, they’re attacking us, time to go on the offense and blame it on the people who hurt your feelings”.

      Your turn, Peggy. I didn’t try to get any of your posts removed, so you need to retract what you said and apologize. Then you need to grow the hell up, take a long, hard look at the mirror, and realize that living in society requires the capability to deal with crap you don’t like, and running to the nearest figure of authority whining about how your feeling are hurt simply won’t cut it in the real world. And neither does lying about the situation. If you want to play the victim then at least stick to what really happened – PJ and WC were rude to you. Making up stories about someone accusing you of placing bombs ( where exactly did you place the bomb, according to PJ?) is not going to get anyone on your side (except maybe the people who dislike PJ and jump into any bandwagon as long as it makes PJ look bad).

      • Peggy says

        May 21, 2015 at 9:34 pm

        My God, you’re beyond help.

        • Angemon says

          May 21, 2015 at 9:41 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “My God, you’re beyond help.”

          Maybe. What I am not, however, is trying to get your posts removed. Never was and, if I know myself, never will. So retract and apologize for suggesting it. Then you can go back to do what you allegedly were planning on doing but never actually go around doing because of one post, that turned out to be two posts – you know, not replying to more posts from me.

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