“But at the end of the thought process that I engage in … this has to be fought by and won by the Iraqis.” This assumes that the problem of the Islamic State is one that only involves Iraqis, and is simply a question of who should govern Iraq. Hillary is completely ignoring the fact that the Islamic State considers itself to be at war with the U.S. and the West, and has vowed to sow mayhem in the streets of this country.
Ground troops in Iraq would be disastrous and self-defeating if they became another Wilsonian nation-building exercise draining this nation’s resources. But the Islamic State will not be beaten without them. Destroying it and getting out would set the global jihad back considerably. But it looks as if under our next President, the caliphate will continue to grow, and to plot to murder as many Americans as possible.
“Clinton appears to rule out return of ground forces in Iraq,” by Ken Thomas, Associated Press, May 22, 2015:
HAMPTON, N.H. (AP) — Democratic presidential contender Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday she sees “no role whatsoever” for U.S. ground forces in Iraq despite setbacks in the struggle against Islamic State militants.
The existing U.S. policy of providing air support, intelligence, surveillance and training is the right one, Clinton said, in comments that appeared more definitive than her past statements about how the Iraqis themselves must carry the fight.
She addressed the matter after visiting Smuttynose Brewery, where she spoke in defense of the Export-Import Bank, a little-known U.S. agency that guarantees loans to help U.S. exporters and is opposed by some Republicans. Clinton was on her second visit to New Hampshire since opening her campaign for the Democratic nomination.
Islamic State group advances have intensified questions about whether the U.S. should be doing more in the country it invaded in 2003, setting off a years-long war that President Barack Obama drew down by phasing out American combat operations. Clinton supported the invasion as a senator, a decision she later called a mistake.
On Friday, she said the U.S. should stay its course, not expand it.
“American air support is available, American intelligence and surveillance is available, American trainers are trying to undo the damage that was done to the Iraqi army by former Prime Minister Maliki, who bears a very big part of the responsibility for what is happening inside Iraq today,” she said.
“But at the end of the thought process that I engage in … this has to be fought by and won by the Iraqis. There is no role whatsoever for American soldiers on the ground to go back other than in the capacity as trainers and advisers.”…
somehistory says
Why does anyone care what she thinks or says? She is a willing slave of satan, as evidenced by her lies. He never tells the truth and she has proven that she is no more trustworthy than the devil.
The beast is going down soon, and all who support its image will suffer a like fate.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Why does anyone care what she thinks or says? She is a willing slave of satan, as evidenced by her lies.
We care because she’s got airtime, she’s been assigned bandwidth by our programmers in the news entertainment industry. Never has there been a more disqualified, not unqualified, president-designate than Hill. Everything she touches turns to sheet, except when it comes to her personal wealth. We’ve crossed so many bridges now, seen so much water flow under the bridge, that being a liar no longer matters. Prez Barack Hussein is a definite known liar, but he still polls well. So lying’s ok. And bad policy is ok too. The important thing is that she has a uterus, a vulva, stuff like that. Even despite her thick ankles, at least she’s real to her myth, an actual female human. The current guy, the known liar, isn’t even a real black American, he’s not real to his myth. He’s a mulato, not a black, and he was born in Jakarta, not Honolulu. But what does it matter, we’ve been in an effective dictatorship for four years now, so where this dumbass pomp was born hardly matters anymore. What matters is that he’s calling the shots, the only checks and balances he knows are bad checks written against a limitless checking account balance.
She’s got airtime, Hill the cheat ass liar does, she has TV expsoure. Bandwidth is limited, and its allocation is the key act in modern politics, not policy content. It is true that her affinity for Moslems spells big trouble, but she and her pack bring so much of the stuff that dhimmitude in the Oval Office is the least of our problems. Well, maybe not least, but it’s in a pile of other bad stuff, so no one will notice.
From Morningside Heights to New Haven to Cambridge, it’s a rotten ride. Human misery is guaranteed at the end of this trail; look for ratings to swell as the news entertainers hone in on the horse race.
somehistory says
Well, she makes me sick….just like the guy she *ran* against in 08. Birds of a feather…human (questionable) vultures who care nothing for what is right and good. How people can be fooled …and stay fooled… is beyond reason. We are in the twilight zone. Thankfully, some of us have our *signpost up ahead.*
gravenimage says
We care because she may well be the next American president.
Angemon says
I consulted my Ouija board about whether or not Hilary will be elected the next president, and the answer was this:
G-O-D-F-O-R-B-I-D
Linde Barrera says
I am no longer someone who would consider voting for Hillary Clinton. But I do not want to see our US troops on the ground in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan or any other Islamic hellhole. Let’s get the Muslims of the 50 Majority Muslim countries to fight ISIS. It’s their struggle. Sunni Vs Shia. Shia Vs Sunni. They think their religion is worth killing for, let them kill each other.
juancolina says
I agree totally – but hit ISIS with our planes and drones.
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam Linde,
I was very disappointed where on other threads I was reading your comments on you being happy at muslims deaths. I thought you were a different christian to Champ …but this is clearly not the case…you certainly seem to be truer to your nazi heritage then you let on….others may not see it I certainly can.
I think this is what American culture does to you…there is the Christian of the ME …kuffar of the ME …and there is the American equivalent …and they are different beasts. The ME types are as one would expect christians to be …calm, showing the other cheek, better faith in Jesus (pbuh) more docile and accepting God’s will *whatever* that maybe.
The American equivalent is all together driven by money, materialism and guns and greed. There is no sacrificing for them …that is somebody’s else job…fair dos …that makes them better candidates for adopting Islam.
You see Linde ….the reason for Obama’s lack of involvement in slowing the IS simple…he is a Muslim who wants sharia for the whole Duniya. The way he is going about it means success without the kuffar even knowing what will hit them…the strategy is as below…..
IS will continue to attack as best as they know how ….through fear… emptying towns ..gaining new fighters, acquiring arms (and the supply from America continues thorough proxies). The ordinary good peoples run ….to the next town …and then to the next …and the next until there is nowhere to run …they are by the sea.
Boats *will* turn up (thanks to Obamas’ friends) to ferry these people into the closet place …usually Europe …and of course IS will follow.
When these start to empty too…and they are by the sea again…Boats *will* turn up again…to ferry these peoples to lands further …like the US..NZ and Aussie….so these lands will start to have more Muslims by default.
Linde …so much so that …within two decades the remaining kuffar will be asking whether Washington will be a a shia town or a sunni town?
Linde…you need to decide these things very soon….in any fight between the shia and the sunni …always support the shia. You and Champ et al …being weak Christians and all …well let me advise you to convert to Shia …as soon as you reasonably can…so your grandchildren and their friends ensure that Washington becomes shia and remains shia.
More Later ….
Rezali
duh_swami says
You would like for Christians to be meek and easy to push around, but they are not. They just have a high threshold for pain, but once that is crossed, you better duck. There will never be a time that Islam is the rule in America…As far as supporting Shia over Sunni? I don’t trust anyone who believes Allah is God. Not Shia, not Sunni and no stupid kuffar, who may believe that nonsense.
mortimer says
There are rules for ethical warfare that must not be crossed.
Angemon says
Rezali Mehil posted:
“others may not see it I certainly can.”
Of course. Only you are smart enough to see over the overwhelming mountain of evidence that says you’re wrong.
As for the rest of your post, you have a nice imagination. Have you considered writing slashfic?
Knight of St. John says
Yes Rezali, I’m sure you and your cowardly “bretheren” in ISIS prefer to murder middle eastern Christian, including children, who don’t have the means to fight back but WE DO and WE WILL. There will be a modern Crusade and I hope you have the guts to fight us then with more than your lame posts.
I’ll be looking for you, but I doubt you’ll be there, which brings up the question, if you’re such a true Shit-tight believer, how come you’re not over there now fighting alongside your fellow goat fuckers and camel piss drinkers, huh punk?
Knight of St. John says
Yes Rezali, the Swami’s right. I’m sure you and your cowardly “bretheren” in ISIS prefer to murder middle eastern Christian, including children, who don’t have the means to fight back but WE DO and WE WILL. There will be a modern Crusade and I hope you have the guts to fight us then with more than your lame posts.
I’ll be looking for you, but I doubt you’ll be there, which brings up the question, if you’re such a true Shit-tight believer, how come you’re not over there now fighting alongside your fellow goat fuckers and camel piss drinkers, huh punk?
Linde Barrera says
To Rezali Mehil- Good afternoon from Brooklyn, NY, it is now 1:24 pm on Sunday, May 24, 2015. I am responding to your post of 5:46 am, 5/24/15. I want to straighten you out on several points. First, Champ is an eloquent Christian and can speak for herself. Second, your impression that I subscribe to Nazis beliefs is false. My late husband was Hispanic. I post under my real, legal name. My ethnicity is Germanic from good peasant stock, no royalty, and neither my family nor I ever believed in the Nazi doctrine of hate. That doctrine is (to me) as evil as the doctrine of hate that spews from the Quran. So I hate Nazi philosophy and I hate Islam by my own free will. Third, when I pray, I ask God to send His Holy Spirit to convert the souls of all those ugly, creepy human-monsters in ISIS, Boko Haram, Al- Shabaab, Al Nusra, Al-Queda etc. and convert them to Jesus Christ, God Incarnate. If that is not God’s will, then I pray that God will stop these creepy Muslims by any means necessary. Fourth, before you call me a “polytheist” which I am not, and demonstrates the foggy misunderstanding that your prophet had about Christianity, consider that water has 3 states of matter, but is the same substance regardless of being liquid, solid ice or gaseous steam. So my God has 3 manifestations but is 1 Living God. Fifth, my fellow Jihad Watch posters may be any religion, agnostic or atheist. I fully support their right to believe whatever they wish, PROVIDED their belief system does not hurt anyone. Sixth, I have lovely Muslim neighbors from Uzbekistan who have helped me, and I have helped them. They want me to convert to Islam, and I have spoken to them about Jesus being one with the Father, Gospel of John chapter 10 verse 30. I will never convert to Islam, and they haven’t converted to Christ. But we are friendly, help and respect each other. Seventh, your comment about my president may be accurate. It seems like he bends over backwards to please Muslim leaders in the Middle East. I cannot predict what he will do next, but I think he is motivated by their money going into his coffers. I really do not know. Eighth, I do not want you or anyone else to think that I am a “good” Christian, because I have sinned. It grieves me to admit this but it is true. All I can do is ask God for forgiveness and try hard not to repeat my sins. 1 reason I sinned was emotional neediness and wanting to be loved. Lastly, I am not afraid Rezali. You like to come across as big and bad, but you are just a man, even though you said you were a Muslima (which I don’t believe). And I am not afraid because my God said: There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love.” —- First Letter of John 4:18. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU REZALI. MEHIL.PEACE.
voegelinian says
“I have lovely Muslim neighbors from Uzbekistan who have helped me, and I have helped them. They want me to convert to Islam, and I have spoken to them about Jesus being one with the Father, Gospel of John chapter 10 verse 30. I will never convert to Islam, and they haven’t converted to Christ. But we are friendly, help and respect each other. ”
Correction: YOU are friendly, help and respect them; THEY are pretending to do so. That is the most reasonable assessment we can make, based upon a literacy in Islamic texts, Islamic history, Islamic culture, and the mountain of data of the ongoing Islamic news on bloody fire.
Linde Barrera says
To Vogue (Voegelinian)- Thank you for your post about friendliness between my Uzbek neighbors and me. Whatever I do, I try to do with my whole heart, even though sometimes stuff backfires on me. I do appreciate your warning. Time will tell if they betray me. Hope you are “Jim Dandy”.
RonaldB says
Hello, Rezali,
Perhaps we should start on common grounds. I agree with you that unnecessary Muslim deaths are undesirable. I disagree completely with proposals to indiscriminately bomb or obliterate Muslim countries or populations, for no reason.
However, we are under no obligation to go out of our way to protect Muslims or to hold our fire when threatened. Hence, I would fully support the prerogative of Israel to use all necessary force to protect its borders, including the killing of civilians trying to bypass its borders.
As far as having to choose between Sunni and Shia, and the turn towards Islam by the West: I’m afraid you didn’t think your analysis through.
IS, and Sunnis in general, are almost as opposed to Shia Muslims as to kuffar. Once the kuffar are eliminated, IS and Sunni countries will wipe out the Shia. This process is already taking place not only in IS territory, but in Pakistan, a Sunni country…with the nuclear bomb as it turns out. Shia are a small minority in the Muslim world…they are persecuted in Saudi Arabia, and used to be on a tight leash in Syria and Iraq…before the US lost its mind and destroyed the mechanisms of social control in those countries.
Anyway, what I’m saying is, the Shia will be as dead as the kuffar you describe…unless they Shia get some powerful allies. Now, in the unlikely scenario you describe, the US will go for the Sunni variant of Islam…the Muslim Brotherhood, a Sunni group, along with the Saudi government, a Sunni group, have pretty thoroughly infiltrated the US government.
I’m afraid the only way the Shia will maintain their identity, not to mention their lives, in the next couple of decades, is to show a non-Islam West why the Shia are worth making an alliance with. If the West goes Islamic, they could care less about the Shia, as no Muslim really cares about any other non-related Muslim as long as they are not engaging in jihad.
So, to survive, the Shia will have to show why they have given up the idea of spreading Islam to different countries, and are now genuinely teaching the separation between religion and government. I know it’s a stretch for you, but otherwise, you’ll be dead…and you know it. The Shia had better hope that the Christians have not lost their fangs, and that they are willing to ally themselves with a reformed Shia now fully supportive of a secular state and equality among all citizens, Muslim, Christian, or atheist.
I know that’s a tall order for a Muslim, but as I mentioned, you’ll be dead otherwise.
RonaldB says
“but their religion of hate is also a system of law and government.”
You’re quite right.
And the Shi’a will die because the Sunni will wipe them out.
Since Rezali is hectoring us with her prediction, I’ll give her mine…and I challenge her to dispute them.
Rezali Mehil says
RonaldB…
The people who understand the Sunni best …are the Shia…we have 1000 years experience of this…and there is no substitute for experience.
If you don’t go shia…kuffar cannot survive….this is the choice you will have to make within 20 years…
Your optimism to be able to defined yourselves is misplaced…you cannot….
The 1st time you attack IS ..Sunni Islam with any sort of purpose…your weapons will be taken away form you by who ever is in charge at the time..Obama will have left a plethora of who will be taking over …you better believe it buddy…you will be the same as us…best to convert to shia now…tell all your friends that the end is nigh …and get them to convert too…this is the only way forward.
More Later …
Rezali
RonaldB says
“you better believe it buddy…you will be the same as us”
Huh?
You’re saying, if I can make a correct inference from the fuzziness, is that the kuffar should join the Shia so we can all be killed together by the Sunnis…otherwise, the kuffar will have their weapons taken from them by the Sunnis of the IS and killed….
To be truthful, I’m not sure what you’re saying about Obama. You seem to feel he is a secret Muslim, like many of the posters on Jihad Watch. There is no direct evidence of that. Obama spent over 20 years being mentored by a Christian pastor who just happened to be intimately affiliated with the Nation of Islam….I guess you’re saying that Obama will have weakened the US defenses to the point where almost anyone can take us over. I’d have a hard time debating that with you.
Anyway, you don’t really dispute my main claim: that without a strong ally, the Shias are dead. The Sunnis IS will wipe out the Shia part of Iraq unless the US gives heavy support to the Shia rabble in Iraq.
That leaves you with Iran. By all means, move to Iran, that jolly place where women protesters are shot down in cold blood by the security forces, and four young people are thrown into prison for dancing on a phone video. Islam gives you such jolly choices: wash your feet or wash your brain.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
You certainly seem to be truer to your nazi heritage then you let on…
Talking about Nazi heritage necessitates talking about the natural alignment between Adolph and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Yassir’s uncle. Let’s talk about the book Adolph read while he was in prison, and the three all Moslem SS divisions he mounted, and the grand mosque they built in Berlin after America defeated Germany,
There is no shame any longer, the capacity for shame can only return when all Moslems admit that they are animals at heart, renounce themselves, and go into a quiet retirement in some worthless desert, never to plague civilization again, an aging mass of worthless souls happy to pass into oblivion. Then we can have shame again, which is the lever upon which civilization is built, as brought to us down from the mountain by Moses.
gravenimage says
The repellant Rezali Mehil wrote:
Salaam Linde,
I was very disappointed where on other threads I was reading your comments on you being happy at muslims deaths. I thought you were a different christian to Champ …but this is clearly not the case…you certainly seem to be truer to your nazi heritage then you let on….others may not see it I certainly can.
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Rezali Mehil has spouted this crap before—the idea that if you are disgusted by the glee with which Muslims slaughter each other (as well as Infidels, of course), that you are a “bad Christian” or a “nazi”. Notice that she has no criticism for Muslims—not even for those who are butchering her fellow Shia. This is not uncommon.
More:
I think this is what American culture does to you…there is the Christian of the ME …kuffar of the ME …and there is the American equivalent …and they are different beasts. The ME types are as one would expect christians to be …calm, showing the other cheek, better faith in Jesus (pbuh) more docile and accepting God’s will *whatever* that maybe.
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Muslims like Rezali Mehil *hate* the fact that Christians may live freely in the West—especially in the United States.
She would have us believe that the only “true” Christians are those forced to live under the Muslim heel, who have to accept “whatever” Muslims decide to do to them, because they have no choice.
And, of course, Christians do not recognize “Jesus (pbuh)”—which is not a reference to the Christian Savior at all, but rather the Muslim “prophet” “Isa”—who far from being the Prince of Peace is a figure who in the last days Muslims believe will mass-murder any Christians who refuse to convert to Islam. *Ugh*.
More:
The American equivalent is all together driven by money, materialism and guns and greed. There is no sacrificing for them …that is somebody’s else job…fair dos …that makes them better candidates for adopting Islam.
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Note that the only “sacrificing” Rezali Mehil wants to see is for Christians to roll over for any savagery her coreligionists decide to hand out.
And note further: she believes, as all pious Muslims do, that if one is not a victim that one must perforce be a victimizer—hence her absurd idea that since Americans are not cringing dhimmis that they will be eager to “revert” to the creed of blood and death.
But the average American has *no* interest in exploiting others as sex slaves and murder victims, and the patriotic American stands against such evils.
Even though Rezali Mehil has lived in the West for many years now, she still has *no* understanding of our civilized values.
More:
You see Linde ….the reason for Obama’s lack of involvement in slowing the IS simple…he is a Muslim who wants sharia for the whole Duniya. The way he is going about it means success without the kuffar even knowing what will hit them…the strategy is as below…..
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We’ve seen this before from Rezali Mehil, as well. Even though she hates and fears ISIS because of the threat they present to her and her fellow Shi’ites, she is nonetheless excited by the prospect of aggressive Islam destroying the West, and is happy to gloat over it.
More:
IS will continue to attack as best as they know how ….through fear… emptying towns ..gaining new fighters, acquiring arms (and the supply from America continues thorough proxies). The ordinary good peoples run ….to the next town …and then to the next …and the next until there is nowhere to run …they are by the sea.
Boats *will* turn up (thanks to Obamas’ friends) to ferry these people into the closet place …usually Europe …and of course IS will follow.
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Of course, this has little to do with Obama, and a great deal to do with Christian (or “post Christian”) charity, which she so freely sneers at. And why wouldn’t she? Muslims have *no* concept of helping those in need out of the goodness of their hearts.
Of course, Christian charity in this case is largely misguided, as Mohammedan “refugees” bring the hideous “values” of Islam with them to destroy the very people who have given them sanctuary.
More:
When these start to empty too…and they are by the sea again…Boats *will* turn up again…to ferry these peoples to lands further …like the US..NZ and Aussie….so these lands will start to have more Muslims by default.
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Note that Rezali Mehil freely admits the Muslim agenda—in fact, she crows over it.
More:
Linde …so much so that …within two decades the remaining kuffar will be asking whether Washington will be a a shia town or a sunni town?
Linde…you need to decide these things very soon….in any fight between the shia and the sunni …always support the shia. You and Champ et al …being weak Christians and all …well let me advise you to convert to Shia …as soon as you reasonably can…so your grandchildren and their friends ensure that Washington becomes shia and remains shia.
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Dream on. Even with our foolish policy of taking in Muslim immigrants, right now the Muslim population of the US is under 1%.
And—as I have asked before—why would any Westerners convert to Shi’ism? Except for a handful of violent Jihadi wanna-bes, the only reason Infidels would convert to Islam would be out of fear of their lives. In that case, why would we want to convert to a small sect regarded as “heretics” by majority Sunni Muslims?
Rezali Mehil has no answer for this—save that she wants to see Infidel converts swell the ranks of her own sect, so that they can oppress and brutalize Sunnis just as Sunnis do to them. You can see this in places like Syria and Iraq, and it is no prettier than Sunni oppression and violence towards Shi’ites.
More, to Ronald B:
The people who understand the Sunni best …are the Shia…we have 1000 years experience of this…and there is no substitute for experience.
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Why would we want to convert to a vicious sect who have been getting their asses kicked by their more orthodox coreligionists for well over a millenium?
More:
If you don’t go shia…kuffar cannot survive….this is the choice you will have to make within 20 years…
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Well, this makes even less sense than Rezali Mehil usually does. Is she admitting that the Shia are “kuffar”? That seems unlikely, even though this is how Sunnis regard them.
Is she, instead, implying that the Shia will somehow protect the Kuffar? This has been true to a small extent in Syria, but only because minority-sect Alawite Assad has thrown in with Shia Iran, and has recognized that Christians present no threat to his rule, unlike the majority Sunni. But that “protection” has always been pretty iffy at the best of times, and now has virtually collapsed entirely. Certainly, his troops have done almost nothing to protect Christians against the inroads of Sunni Jihadists, including ISIS.
And Syria has been an anomaly, in any case—in Iran and post-Saddam Iraq Christians have been oppressed, imprisoned, driven out, and murdered outright. Even before the genocidal inroads of ISIS, the Christian population of Iraq has been almost eradicated in the past few years.
Besides, if she were *really* making the case that the Shia will protect “Kuffar” and allow them to survive, then why would she insist that we convert to Shiism? Clearly, this makes no sense.
This shows this up for the thin ruse it is—really, she just wants more converts to use as cannon fodder to protect the Shi’ites from their murderous Sunni coreligionists.
More:
Your optimism to be able to defined yourselves is misplaced…you cannot….
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This is the usual: Resistance is Futile. Surrender Dorothy. All is Lost.
Actually, Infidels have beaten back the threat of Islam many times, and have done so when we had much less military superiority.
The only downsides now—and they should not be underestimated—is enough Westerners recognizing the threat, and our mustering the will to resist. Rezali Mehil is counting on our continued ignorance and apathy.
More:
The 1st time you attack IS ..Sunni Islam with any sort of purpose…your weapons will be taken away form you by who ever is in charge at the time..Obama will have left a plethora of who will be taking over …you better believe it buddy…you will be the same as us…best to convert to shia now…tell all your friends that the end is nigh …and get them to convert too…this is the only way forward.
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Actually, this has never happened. Instead, it was Rezali Mehil’s own fellow Muslims—mostly Shi’ites—who cravenly fled, allowing our weaponry to fall into the hands of ISIS.
The West was foolish in believing that Muslims would defend their own country—but that is the extent of it.
As for our converting being the “way forward”, that only means as pious Muslim Rezali Mehil sees it. Her only difference is wanting us to become Shia rather than Sunni. In the end, it is the same bloody vision of the triumph of savage Islam.
More:
Salaam kuffar Peter Charles,
Isa or as you call him Jesus pbuh …was a muslim prophet….hence the pbuh.
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Muslims have tried to appropriate everything in the scriptures. But Jesus was no “Muslim prophet”, but the Christian savior.
More:
He is a smaller prophet when compared to Muhammad SAW …but they both report into Allah SWT …usually via the angeel Gibreel.
It is a lie that he is soley the prophet of Christianity..and a lie that he is the son of God…..Allah SWT has no relatives..he is omnipotent ..no daughter Manat and no son Isa pbuh. The Christians are merely bigging themselves up with that. …
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Of course, the Savior is not a “prophet” at all. And even though Rezali Mehil is begging us to convert to her vile “brand” of Islam, she is not above insulting Christians here.
As for the idea of his being a “smaller prophet” than the sanguinary Muhammed, of course this is so.
While the Muslim “Isa” is not a healer or a peacemaker as is the Jesus of the Gospels, neither is he a warlord, caravan raider, pedophile, rapist, slave trader, and mass-murderer as is the “Prophet” Muhammed. These are the traits that barbaric Muslims venerate, so no one else can “measure up”. *Ugh*.
Linde Barrera says
To gravenimage- I love what you write, and the way you write. I believe Rezali Mehil is a man or a “front” for a man, and am praying for Rezali to be targeted by the Holy Spirit, so he/she can believe in the Savior Jesus Christ. It could happen, for with God “nothing is impossible”. But Rezali’s comments keep popping up like bad pennies! And it is always the same depressing and negative drone. Alfred Hitchcock ‘s and Tim Burton’s movies were scary, but they werent like Rezali ‘s scripts! And many, many years ago, there was a song on the radio: “They’re Coming To Take Me Away Aha…” That is what I think of when I read Rezali ‘s posts, but I am not the one getting taken away! As always, it is good to read your posts. Shalom.
gravenimage says
Whatever Rezali Mehil is, he/she/it is a nasty piece of work—but very much exposes the ugly Muslim mindset.
And thank you for your kind words. Always great to read your own comments, also. Hope you are doing well. And I’m writing from “Brooklyn by the Bay”.
Linde Barrera says
To gravenimage- In town, are you? That is wonderful. I hope you have a great time. Please let me know if I can help you in any way. I can meet you at a certain location and treat you and your host to Starbucks. No kidding!
gravenimage says
I’m sorry, Linde—”Brooklyn by the Bay” is a nickname for Oakland, California, which in many ways serves as “Brooklyn” to San Francisco’s “Manhattan”. In both cases they are grittier, artier, and (marginally) more affordable than the city.
I have been to New York—which I love—a couple of times for conventions and to visit publishers, but I’ve spent most of my time in Manhattan, and have only passed through Brooklyn and Queens. But I would like to have a chance to explore Brooklyn on my next visit. Maybe then I can take you up on your generous offer!
Linde Barrera says
To gravenimage- Thank you for cluing me in, as I did not know that Oakland was given that title! I was in Oakland in 2009, went for dinner at a BBQ ribs place, and it was great, but I don’t remember the name of the restaurant. Also loved Berkeley and San Francisco, and other places which I will tell you about when we meet up. I look forward to meeting you on your next visit. Take care deary.
wildjew says
“It’s their struggle. Sunni Vs Shia. Shia Vs Sunni. They think their religion is worth killing for, let them kill each other….”
Unfortunately they are killing, torturing, raping, enslaving Christian, Yazidi and other non-Muslim minorities; Kurds. Shall we stand idly by the blood of our neighbor?
Linde Barrera says
To wildjew- Your 7:42 am post is very valid when you ask the question: “Should we just stand idly by and let the Christians, Yazidis, etc be murdered?” Of course not! But I never, ever hear on any news report that these innocents are being rescued by any foreign powers. So I conclude, maybe falsely, that these innocent Christians, Yazidis, and yes, peaceful Muslims not part of ISIS are getting refuge in special places. As for myself, I have and continue to send monetary contributions to ACERO (Assyrian Church of the East Relief Organization) AND I have called, emailed, and written letters to Mr. President, First Lady Obama, my US senators, about giving aid, evacuating and bringing these innocent people to the US as refugees, and I have received no replies from any of them. So now, people who care about the innocent Christians, Yazidis, etc. should see if they can get arms to defend themselves against the ISIS devils. Does anyone know how that can be accomplished?
Greyhound Fancier says
When Jesus and Mohammad are compared, it’s hard to fathom what would be in the least attractive about Mohammad to any decent person.
To murders, rapists, pedophiles, pillagers, liars, warmongers, slavers…Mohammad is a role model.
Linde Barrera says
To Greyhound Fancier- I am in total agreement. My critical thinking question not to you, but to so many kind, sweet and law abiding Muslims is: ‘Why like this so called prophet Muhammed? Can’t they see how vile he was?’
mortimer says
Clinton and Obama hastily withdrew occupying forces before Iraq was stable and allowed the targeted revenge murders by Shi’ite death squads. Then Hillary created an insurgency in Syria which turned into ISIS.
There is no reason to trust Hillary. All her failed scheming will come out.
wildjew says
“Clinton and Obama hastily withdrew occupying forces before Iraq was stable and allowed the targeted revenge murders by Shi’ite death squads….”
The error former President Bush made was nation building, occupation, winning hearts and minds, implanting democracy in the Muslim world. These are not things a conservative does. These are things a progressive does. Bush went into Iraq with all kinds of idols and delusions about Muslim-Arab culture, history and religion. My late father told me a U.S. president has some of the best minds in the world advising him. Who were Bush’s advisers?
wildjew says
Karl Rove?
Knight of St. John says
And worst of all was the treasonous Grover Norquist right after 9/11.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/03/grover_norquists_jihad.html
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
These are not things a conservative does. These are things a progressive does.
Bush was never a conservative. He above all does not believe in freedom or the rule of law. He’s a sad excuse for a Texan, but the boys down there can take comfort from the fact that he’s actually from Connecticut, a damned Yankee.
The idea that the Republican Party, better called the RINO Party, represents the freedom side of the equation to balance out the Marxian side is a myth. The country has been without an opposition party for decades now, as is evidenced by our current broken down state, with a $100 trillion in debt and declining prospects for the future. When the Margaret Thatcher rule kicks in, maybe then a true opposition party will emerge. Maybe.
mezcukor says
I agree with you Mortimer.
wildjew says
Who do you like in the Republican line-up for 2016?
Shane says
ISIS is our enemy and their success is encouraging young Muslims all over the world to join in the jihad against the West. American Muslims are heeding the call to jihad, which is why we must engage and destroy ISIS. You don’t win wars by refusing to engage the enemy.
Linde Barrera says
To Shane- In your 10:00 am 5/24/15 post, you state “ISIS is our enemy…and you don’t win wars by refusing to engage the enemy.” They are our enemy, and they want to engage us in war, which will take many lives and bankrupt us. That is part of their game plan. The one truly moral statement that Islam’s prophet Muhammad said was “War is deceit” and I concur with that. Don’t take their bait. Don’t be deceived. In their way of thinking, war and killing and death in the name of Islam is how they think they will get to heaven. Their whole thought process on this is so profoundly wrong and evil.
Paul says
Look folks. I’ll take this opportunity as unpopular as it may be, to mention a few things. First and foremost, the opposition to muslim expansion is not made up only of religious adherents. Rationalists, humanists, atheists, and non muslim denominations make up a LARGE portion of those refusing Islam. Point being, all the “Christ is the answer” rhetoric is only serving to alienate a LOT of people from what is otherwise a worthy cause we could all otherwise unite under. Put simply, while I may not agree with religion period, and may not hold to any Christian, Judaist, or otherwise faith base belief, I do in fact hold to the ideal of my country, those of freedom, liberty, and justice. Please do not forget, it is not only Christians who face destruction at the hands of Islam but ANY who are not of the faith. This makes all of us, regardless of our RESPECTFUL and tolerant disagreements, allies in a war that will consume us all. I say this because as a atheist, and true American patriot, I am left wondering just who the hell am I supposed to join with, who am I supposed to support, who is going to have my back, when all I see when comes to Islamic expansion is folks saying Christianity is the only opposition? Look, As far as I am concerned, if anyone can provide a counter to Islamic militancy, I am willing to support them, even if I don’t believe in their ideology, yes because islam is THAT bad. But for the love of all you hold dear, understand that just because your are Christian, or Jew, or what have you, does not mean anything else is less worthy. Only by working together will we ALL send this cesspool; of vile thought to the trash pit where it belongs/.
Infidel from Down Under says
If Clinton seriously believes ISIS will be content to just stop in Syria and Iraq her naivety is even more breathtaking than I previously ever imagined. What will it take to get through to this woman that as far as ISIS is concerned this to them is the start of a global caliphate and they will continua to move forward murdering,raping and pillaging as long as no one is prepared to stand in their way and stop them’
Will they have to at the borders of Europe before Clinton and her like will start to realize there is a problem
Shane says
Shilllary is not stupid; she knows that ISIS will grow if the USA does not stop it. She is calculating that the majority of Americans do not want another war and she will dare the GOP candidate to state that he is for war against ISIS. It is all politics with her and Obama.
Daniel Triplett says
Exactly. She’s just prioritizing her own political hyde above National Security.
Knight of St. John says
Shane, Mortimer, Daniel, Father John and the Infidel from Down Under are all exactly right. There is no Iraq anymore and the Iraqi soldiers have proven over and over that they can’t wait to wave their underwear in the face of an enemy who’s ready to fight. It always has and always will be up to us.
As for the politics, all we need is one leader with the guts to stand up and say we are getting in with everything we’ve got, including ground troops, to ANNIHILATE ISIS and then getting out. I don’t really care who governs that shithole next. We will have set back the global jihadist cause significantly and that’s good enough for me, not to mention it’s all we can really do.
The only politician that we can have even a hope of showing that kind of strong moral leadership is Sen. Cruz. I hope to God he does. I think it just might surprise the MSM how much support there would be if the case was made clearly and with conviction, ala Ronald Reagan of course.
Daniel Triplett says
@Knight of St. John
I’m with you Brother, and agree with you. Especially the part about Ted Cruz. The man is by far the best candidate for the job, and has my full, undivided support.
I just disagree with one part though, and that’s “getting out” after we obliterate ISIS.
If we do that, we’ll leave a power vacuum similar to the one Caliph Ohammad created when he exfiltrated all US Forces from Iraq in 2011. This vacuum will be replaced by another well-disciplined Muslim jihadist group of some other name, or more likely, it will be filled by Iran. Neither of those two outcomes is good for the US.
WWIII is already in progress (Muslims v. Muslims; and Muslims v. non-Muslims). The way I see it, as a USAF Officer and six year Afghanistan/Iraq War vet, we have two choices:
1. For those who believe we can win WWIII conventionally, without nuclear ordnance, we must strategically seize and control the territories of Iraq and Afghanistan, thereby isolating Iran, and sandwiching it between Allied forces.
But then what will we do after we defeat Iran, after which there will still remain 1.5 Billion Muslims who want us dead? Do we have the gold and military to defeat all of them too, and invade/occupy every Muslim sovereignty?
or,
2. We remove all friendly forces/personnel from Muslim lands, then, just as our grandfathers did in WWII, use Incremental Random Strategic Area Bombing to force every Muslim government on the planet to criminalize Islam.
Islam is Sedition & Conspiracy to Murder, which are already crimes. The practice or promotion of Islam should be capital offense everywhere on Earth, including within our own borders.
War is a Battle of Wills. Whoever loses the will to fight first loses the war. The commitment to Islam and the will to fight are the two biggest weapons Muslims have. People who are willing to strap bombs to their 9 year old children, or honor kill their daughters because they don’t like who she’s dating, are very serious about their “religion” and cause. Have no doubt, Muslims’ will to fight is much greater than ours. They’ve been at it for 1400 years, and they’re never going to stop. Meanwhile, half or more of all Americans want to end all wars and bring all troops home.
As long as Islam exists, there will be no peace on Earth. Islam is the problem, and Islam must end.
So how will we break 1.6 Billion Muslims’ will to fight, and force the surrender of their ideology?
This is the biggest threat to mankind ever in the history of the Earth. An unprecedented crisis like this requires a solution of unprecedented scale.
We neither have the time, money, nor method to sort out the “good” Muslims from the bad ones who would nuke us if handed the button. And are there any good Muslims anyway? Anyone buying into the evil contained between the covers of the Quran, Sunnah, and Hadith has a heart and soul manipulated by demons.
Nor did our grandfathers have the time, money, or method to sort out the good Germans and Japanese from the bad.
Just look at Battle Damage Assessment photos to see how our grandfathers felt about avoiding collateral damage or death to civilian women, children, and elderly. In fact, we intentionally targeted these people, necessarily. We wouldn’t have won the war if we didn’t. We bombed every German and Japanese man, woman, and child in sight until they surrendered unconditionally.
Were our grandparents evil mad men, inferior in reason and intellect to us? Of course not. We should learn from their strategies and resolve, and be inspired. They were smart, ruthless people, willing to do whatever it took to destroy evil.
We’d best develop the stomach and will to do the same.
The targets on Day One are the Iranian nuke production capacity and the Pakistani nuke arsenal. Targeting hardware first, threatening population centers later.
The Muslims need to see an overwhelming display of force, and also see that their fictional deity is not going to save them.
If we drop one nuke on a random Muslim target every three days, we’d convince every Muslim on the planet he could be next. The pressure on Muslim governments to comply with Allied terms would be enormous, and everyone would get on board with the program real quick. Every government criminalizing Islam would come off the target list.
While we’re doing this, we combine it with a massive education campaign to give them an alternative. We articulate how fictitious and evil Islam is, and how righteous Christianity is. Or Judaism, Hinduism, or Buddhism (This gets Allied buy-in for the campaign from virtually every non-Muslim state). Education alone won’t work though without the force. They have Internet and see our movies already, and know what the West is like. They know our opposing point of view already.
Not steering them toward an alternative peaceful religion is also dangerous, because these highly faithful people who spend five times per day praying would now have a lot of extra time on their hands, and without our supervision may be likely to invent some other evil religion and ideology. Atheism didn’t work well for the Soviets, and while many Western atheists today can carry along well with society, I certainly wouldn’t trust 1.6 Billion ex-Muslims to handle an atheistic faith vacuum well.
Let’s face it. Lot’s of people are going to get nuked soon. The Iranians are hurriedly building nuke weapons to do the same thing to us that we should be doing to them right now. It’s either them or us at this point. And while we’re solving the Iranian problem, we may as well take care of the Islam problem at the same time.
Trinity, the first atomic bomb test, was on 16 July 1945. The Hiroshima strike was less than 3 weeks later on 6 August. If we had atomic weapons in December 1941, would we have waited until August 1945 to use them, sacrificing 408,900 US servicemen, or would we have immediately used the most efficient weapon to bring victory the soonest with the fewest casualties?
It’s just a matter of time before some other Muslim group figures out how to build, buy, or steal nukes. Does anyone have any doubt they’ll be used against us? The Iranians promise to, and make it no secret.
Moreover, while the Western white population is reproducing below replacement value and going extinct, the Muslims are breeding like cockroaches and their population is exploding.
What kind of World do we want to bequeath to our children, or our grandchildren 200 years from now? Just as our forefathers extinguished Japanese Imperialism, Nazism, and Soviet Communism for us, we owe future generations the extinction of Islam now.
Linde Barrera says
To Daniel Triplett- Your 3:49 pm post was a fascinating read and I liked your thoroughness in dealing with the problem of the evils of islam. Would our elected officials really buy into persuading Muslims in other countries to pick another religion? I am 64, and I remember what the great statesman and presidential candidate Barry Goldwater said about ending the US occupation of Vietnam, that he would “bomb the heck out of Vietnam” or close to that quote, and almost everybody voted for Lyndon Johnson because “they wanted peace” yet he poured more troops into Vietnam after he got elected, but claimed he would never do that before he got elected. I for one, am not smart enough to figure it out.
Daniel Triplett says
@Linde Barrera
The elected officials we have now in the Obama Administration would certainly not force other countries to pick another religion. However, with the right Washington, Lincoln, or Reagan-type President in the White House, the campaign I propose is not only doable, it’s also our safest, fastest, and least expensive solution available. There really aren’t any other viable solutions anyway: At least none that I’ve heard anyone articulate.
I’m not creating this strategy from scratch anyway. Every US Field Grade Military Officer is taught these same strategies today, as they have been since before the Civil War. We’ve developed these strategies from analysis of other military campaigns throughout the millennia, and from our own experiences. They’re time tested, and they work. Not only did we employ the same strategy I propose in WWII, we’ve also used them on our own people in the Civil War. General William T. Sherman’s March to the Sea had a very similar effect on the Southern morale and will to fight, as General Curtis LeMay’s Strategic Area Bombing campaign had against the Japanese and German’s will to fight, with his relentless destruction of their cities with fire-bombing and atomic weapon attacks.
The strategy has always been the same. Whether it be by swords, or nuclear MRV ICBMs, B-2 Bombers, and submarines, the only difference now is the evolution and efficiency of the weapons at our disposal.
The job of the POTUS is to lead Americans, and the Free World. He must articulate his worldview and long-term big picture. He must be honest about the problems and evils confronting us, and articulate a strategy to defeat those evils. He must persuade people and Congress to join him, and explain why the mission is so indispensable for our survival.
I’m not suggesting this is easy. As much as I admire FDR as CINC for his ruthlessness and strength of resolve in destroying our enemies, even he had difficulty getting buy-in for the campaign from the American people. On 6 DEC 1941, Americans had great reluctance getting involved in foreign wars, even though our allies in Europe were getting slaughtered. Not until they watched our own slaughter at Pearl Harbor did their attitude change. Moreover, the Manhattan Project was FDR’s baby, and never would have happened without his authorization and strategic vision. Thank God for that.
Perhaps only once per century has America had a pivotal, influential, and World-altering Presidential leader in power. I love Ted Cruz as I love Ronald Reagan. I’m putting all my support behind him, and believe he can rise to the challenge. He’s certainly better than anyone in the arena right now. I believe he understands the Islamic threat. He also has a tight relationship with Bibi Netanyahu. You can see it in their eyes in the photos of them together when they shake hands. They have deep respect, support, and trust in each other. I see those two together co-leading the destruction of Islam.
Meanwhile, I’m trying to do my small part with my small voice by talking about this stuff in as many different venues as I can. It’s either that, or sit back selfishly with my pie-hole shut and watch the World implode. I’m trying to put together a video now, with pictures, graphics, and power-point slides, where I articulate this strategy. Then I’m going to broadcast it on YouTube and any other website I can find, along with Emailing it to every legislator on Capitol Hill. I don’t know if it will influence any of them to act, but they will definitely not forget it if they watch it. That’s my simple goal. I’d just like to get them thinking about where we’re headed with this crisis and a realistic solution to confront it for the long-term.
We also need to cooperate and ally with all other non-Muslim nations, especially the nuclear armed states: France, UK, Israel, India, Russia, and China. They all hate Islam as much as we do. The Chinese have recently begun an all out war against the Uyghur Muslims in the Xinjiang province. No beards or burqas. Most mosques have been banned, allowing only a few that are heavily monitored and supervised. Muslims can’t forbid alcohol sales to any others anymore either. Well-disciplined Muslims are definitely not welcome.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chinas-war-on-terror-becomes-all-out-attack-on-islam-in-xinjiang/2014/09/19/5c5840a4-1aa7-4bb6-bc63-69f6bfba07e9_story.html
As every Superpower in World history has come to learn, from Greece, to Rome, to Spain, to Great Britain, to the Soviet Union, their time in the sun doesn’t last forever. At some point, their dominance and influence in the World evaporates, leaving a white-dwarf star of what once was.
Some empires, like Great Britain, have used their Superpower status for better, not worse, making the World a better place in perpetuity. At one point, “the sun never set on the British Empire.” Imagine what the World would look like today had the British not spread their influence with economics, constitutional monarchy, music, literature, science, inventions, machine tools, and the industrial revolution. And of course, the English language.
While others, such as the Soviet Union, squandered their influential period to spread evil and fear, leaving a storm of destruction, despair, and cultural, industrial malaise in its wake.
Right now, the United States is the only Superpower in the World. It’s up to us to lead, because no one else can or will.
The only question is, how do we want to influence and alter the World? What permanent changes would we like to make in the World while we still can?
Unless something unforeseen alters our course, with the changing demographics in America, along with Obama’s Executive Order Amnesty that we’ll see pretty soon with voting rights for illegals, we’ll perhaps only have an opportunity for one or two more Republican Presidents. Then America will be stuck with an Eternal cast of clowns in the White House; nothing but more Obamas and Hillarys forever. The end of American dominance, influence, and reign over the World.
What will America do with our time in the sun? Because it’s not going to last forever.
Linde Barrera says
To Daniel Triplett- Thank you so very much for your awesome and quick response to me. I consider your answer to be expert and authentic.1 good thing about the Soviet Union is that their Russian Orthodox Church spoke out and stuck up for the Greek nation when it was being unmercifully persecuted by the Ottoman Empire. I will read that link now. And best of luck in your efforts to persuade those clunk heads in washington about your project. I will pray for your success. God bless you and yours.
Angemon says
Superb post, Daniel.
Daniel Triplett says
@Linde Barrera
Thanks for the thoughtful compliment Linde.
Although the Soviet Union has a soul-less history with state sponsored Atheism, Vladimir Putin wears a Crucifix around his neck 24/7. Moreover, he hates Islam.
He enjoys 85% popularity in Russia, and will be in power for another 15-20 years. So instead of antagonizing him, we’d best figure out a way to play nice together and partner with him in the Counter-jihad. Whose side do we want him to take in WWIII?
Stalin is arguably the most evil man who ever lived, executing 20 Million of his own people alone. But we found a way to ally with him to destroy the Nazis. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Daniel Triplett says
@Angemon
Thanks Angemon. That’s great to hear coming from you. I always enjoy reading and learning from your posts.
Angemon says
Hillary is thinking? Never a god sign.
Angemon says
Typo: Never a *good* sign
somehistory says
Never a *god sign* with her either. She is her own god, her own *moral compass* and no one should trust her.
duh_swami says
‘We came, We saw, He died’…Cackling laughter…Is that how ‘champions’ are made? Really? Maybe if your Genghis Khan or Mahound. But is a Mahound look alike who America wants for President?
Papa Whiskey says
“… this has to be fought by and won by the Iraqis. There is no role whatsoever for American soldiers on the ground to go back other than in the capacity as trainers and advisers.”
Boy, does that sound familiar …
“We are not about to send American boys nine or 10 thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves.”
— Lyndon B. Johnson, October 21,1964
sahani says
Stop food supply all will be ok soon.
FatherJon says
In that case, if Obama won’t send in the troops, we’ll have to rely on the Iranians. That must have negative impact on America’s standing in the world.
mortimer says
The Iranians would enjoy fighting the Arab Sunnis, but would they leave afterwards? Will they go straight to the Mediterranean and stay there?
Defeating ISIS is in the interests of all the small countries threatened by ISIS in the Near East, as well as Saudi Arabia. But their armies haven’t the ability to fight except for their own tribes. That only leaves professional Western armies to do the job. Sooner or later, they will have to. Troops have to be able to call strikes in from positions near the enemy. Special forces from 20 countries could stop ISIS. When sufficiently weakened, the Iraqi army could round them up.
RonaldB says
“Special forces from 20 countries could stop ISIS. When sufficiently weakened, the Iraqi army could round them up.”
This sort of thinking is fantasy-based. If a Western country wanted to launch a massive invasion, such as in 2003, it could probably take the IS territory. Of course, as in 2003, the question would be what to do with a territory filled with IS supporters? Institute a liberal democracy? That will get tens of thousands of our soldiers killed, just like George H Bush got over 4000 GIs killed in the occupation.
I don’t think the US ought to go in at all, unless there is a threat to vital US interests…and I mean vital. For example, we have a “partnership” with the Saudis. If we see it in our interest to do so, we can wipe out any attempted invasion of Saudi territory, and then LEAVE. Let the Saudis handle the prisoners and the disputed territory. Hint: the fate of the captives would probably involve becoming a little shorter.
Wellington says
Hillary Clinton has no capacity for strategic thinking and her tactical thinking has very often proved wrong (examples being her many goofs while at the Rose Law Firm like Whitewater and Castle Grande, handling of healthcare reform back in 1993-94, Travelgate, her atrocious advice to hubby on how to deal with Paula Jones, the Benghazi fiasco and the recent e-mail fiasco). Also, she is corrupt, profoundly so, and like her husband really does think herself above the law. Compounding these deficiencies are a very left-wing slant on sundry policy matters (made quite noticeable as of late) and, of course, a woeful lack of knowledge of what Islam is really all about. And yet this highly compromised and limited woman may very well become the next President of the United States because, let’s face it, America has dumbed down and because the current crop of Republican Presidential candidates, though some are sensible and honest, presents no great human being to lead America (and who “gets” Islam) come January of 2017. In short, things are not looking good.
RonaldB says
I agree with you Wellington.
The military assistants who served at the White House during the Clinton Presidency described a Hillary who was not only extremely rude to military and security personnel, but abysmally ignorant of any and all military matters.
To Hillary’s base supporters, it simply doesn’t matter how many lies or scandals she’s caught up in. They don’t care. It sounds pretty much like the Obama base: they simply don’t care about his personal honesty or competence.
It would be fun to see a dispute between Hillary and Obama break out into the open. That would be a clash between two groups of fantasy-based true believers. Now, that’s entertainment!
Bezelel says
She really has done enough already. We don’t need anymore of her help.
Keil says
ISIS can’t be fought unless politicians gain more knowledge of Islam and its ideology of jihad. It takes a POTUS very different from Obama (and Hillary). It has something to do with will and skill. ISIS has to be beaten on the battlefield. That’s to say that now they are gaining more land and settle for a real state their murderous intent scare most people away. When the area is empty of decent people, USAF and allies can carpet-bomb the earth. The mad dogs have to be slain. No talks, no appeasement but eradication. Then boots on the ground – without nothing can be achieved.
RonaldB says
I don’t agree.
The US has no business carpet-bombing civilians who do not pose a threat. IS in the Middle East doesn’t pose a threat to the US. IS (or any other Muslim) in the US is a direct threat. The solution: kill no Muslims and admit no Muslims.
voegelinian says
LOL, it’s a little late for that. There are millions of Muslims already inside the (our) gates. RonaldB’s robustly no-nonsense advice is like closing and locking the barn doors after the wolves have already gotten in (and doing nothing about the wolves therein).
Secondly, his belief that ISIS in the Middle East poses no danger to the US is surreal, given all we know (or should know) about the internationally networking desires & capability of trans-national Muslims.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“LOL, it’s a little late for that. There are millions of Muslims already inside the (our) gates. RonaldB’s robustly no-nonsense advice is like closing and locking the barn doors after the wolves have already gotten in (and doing nothing about the wolves therein).”
Are you saying we should keep letting muslims in?
Godwin says
I think the final solution is the nukes for these kamakazi fighters. Carpet bombing will send them into the bunkers.
Daniel Triplett says
Agreed. This war can and should be fought from a cubicle in Wyoming, while sipping lattes, without risking one Allied serviceman’s life.
voegelinian says
The reason our mainstream military and politicos are chary of attacking ISIS by air, and thus continues to fret about whether to put “boots on the ground” is because they (i.e., our mainstream military and politicos) know that ISIS is not a Tiny Minority of Extremists but is, in fact, convolved with masses of seemingly ordinary (Sunni) Muslims in Iraq and Syria who evidently are supportive of ISIS. A robust air power attack would decimate those ordinary Muslims. So our mainstream military and politicos have vividly before their attention the confutation of their TMOE meme while at the forefront of their minds they cannot disobey their PC MC imperative to Never Harm Muslims Who Just Wanna Have a Sandwich. They thus wrestle and agonize, and wonder whether an alternative to a robust air power attack can be done — “boots on the ground”. But that would open up a Pandora’s box of worms and might well be politically unpopular at home, embroiling us yet again in a Muslim war (especially after we were supposed to have freed ourselves of the mistakes of the Bush Era). In this context, our mainstream military and politicos cast around desperately for the vainly naive hope that Muslims will help us by attacking ISIS.
All of this needless complication and anxiety is predicated on the TMOE meme, and on the Denial that all Muslims enable Islam and that as a consequence ISIS is wildly popular among ordinary (Sunni) Muslims in the region.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“The reason our mainstream military and politicos are chary of attacking ISIS by air, and thus continues to fret about whether to put “boots on the ground” is because they (i.e., our mainstream military and politicos) know that ISIS is not a Tiny Minority of Extremists but is, in fact, convolved with masses of seemingly ordinary (Sunni) Muslims in Iraq and Syria who evidently are supportive of ISIS.
(…)
All of this needless complication and anxiety is predicated on the TMOE meme, and on the Denial that all Muslims enable Islam and that as a consequence ISIS is wildly popular among ordinary (Sunni) Muslims in the region.”
What? Which way is it?
Wellington says
And so, voegelinian, assuming Islam, all of it, was seen in a crystal clear light by politicians and the military here in America (no pc/mc nonsense and other crap along these lines whatsoever any longer present), what would be optimal in your opinion respecting how to deal with ISIS and all the while taking into account such important ancillary concerns as the stability of the Saudi oil fields, the response by Iran to our optimal response to ISIS and the geopolitical and military approach Israel should take to Hamas and Hezbollah with an America finally with its head on straight?
Your turn.
voegelinian says
To Wellington’s comment of May 25, 2015 at 4:54 pm, I’d say first of all that as a matter of general principle in this regard, the distinction between 1) the pragmatic exigencies which ISIS presents, and 2) the problem of Islam as a whole, need to be kept in mind in a subtle way that neither exaggerates the differences nor conflates the two.
I.e., ISIS isn’t the only problem Islam presents; it’s just a current inflammation of the much broader problem.
Given what I said in my previous comment, I also feel we should not embroil ourselves in a regional Islamic conflict through a ground operation. As for the idea of just standing back and letting the Islamic civil war proceed, that’s a good idea as long as we are aware of the wider problem of Islam (which awareness would entail intelligent measures to anticipate various things we might need to do to protect ourselves from internationally networking Muslims whose inflammatory desires and goals are metastasizing with attacks on us being part of that). Since the West is not currently aware nor intelligent in that regard, I wouldn’t recommend that. Similarly for a ruthless air power attack. The West could destroy ISIS with air power in a matter of weeks or at most months. We are obviously choosing not to do that (for reasons I gave in my previous comment). But if we did do it, the problem of Islam and the escalating dangers it poses to our societies would not go away; they would only continue to metastasize.
Mirren10 says
“But at the end of the thought process that I engage in … this has to be fought by and won by the Iraqis.” This assumes that the problem of the Islamic State is one that only involves Iraqis, and is simply a question of who should govern Iraq. Hillary is completely ignoring the fact that the Islamic State considers itself to be at war with the U.S. and the West, and has vowed to sow mayhem in the streets of this country”
Not being an American, I am of course not entirely au fait with American politics, but as an outsider, it seems to me Clinton is merely saying what she thinks is the popular stance, and therefore, what she thinks will help her get elected.
If the majority of the American people are against going into Iraq, this is what Clinton will support, since the only thing she is concerned about is getting into power.
”Hillary is completely ignoring the fact that the Islamic State considers itself to be at war with the U.S. and the West, and has vowed to sow mayhem in the streets of this country”
She’s not *ignoring* it, in my opinion, she simply doesn’t care. I imagine she is predicating her campaign on the fact any President is only allowed to serve for eight years. She is gambling that the IS will not be in a position to ‘sow mayhem’ on American streets within that time frame.
If she is elected, she has four to eight years to feather her nest, consolidate power groups etc; what happens after that doesn’t concern her, at all. After all, ”what difference does it make” ? This is truly a person who has no moral compass whatsoever. But then, except in very rare cases, what politician does ?
Geppetto says
Before dismissing this idea because of the dubious character, knowledge, questionable capabilities, integrity and sincerity of the source, leaving the management and defeat of the IS/ISIS threat in the hands of the indigenous people in the region is not without merit.
It should be obvious by now that though the trouble in the Middle East has been exacerbated by IS/ISIS, and elevated most especially by their violent, inhuman acts of horrific brutality and their apparent success on the battlefield, they are not the only major threat to global peace or America. IS/ISIS, among a bevy of others, are the piranha but the octopus is IRAN which has spread its tentacles into Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, and everywhere else in the Middle East where they can spread their version of Sharia while laboring furiously to build “the bomb” and achieve political dominance. Then there is Saudi Arabia which has spent billions of its oil wealth surreptitiously spreading one of the most virulent sects in Islam, Wahhabism, throughout the west while successfully maintaining the facade of a peace loving, benevolent ally. Where are their boots on the ground or those of Turkey, another bogus ally ruled by one of Obama’s “best friends” in the region, the Caliphate ruler wannabe, Recep Erdogan?
The west needs to adapt a posture of certainty towards the expectation that Iran will gleefully provide nuclear weaponry to IS/ISIS, Al-Nusra, Hamas, Hezbollah, Ansar al-Sharia, the Khorasan Group, etc. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/09/24/islamic-state-just-one-of-many-al-qaeda-offshoots-in-the-middle-east/) an alphabet soup of terrorist organizations who are salivating at the prospect and will not hesitate to use it against their perceived enemies, the infidels, wherever and whenever they can. It should be obvious that this needs to be prevented while prevention is still possible, a rapidly closing window of opportunity. To ignore this possibility, as it seems is now the case, is tantamount to gross negligence and a dismissal of the significance and purpose of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, the documented concern of the civilized world with regard to any weaponization of nuclear technology. That the U.S. is the only nation to ever employ two atomic bombs, to end WWII in 1945, can be debated, criticized, lamented or justified but is a total submersion into irrelevance with regard to the situation the west confronts in 2015 and beyond.
While the Iraqi’s themselves have so far proven to be useless as a competent military force there are others in that region that could be a major deterrent to the creation of a Caliphate if they were organized, armed and supported with western military technology and a limited set of western “boots on the ground;” “Western,” not limited to American.
This alliance should actively and purposefully include Israel, a major, competent, dedicated, military force, a country with the most to lose if this threat is not confronted.
A fear of the Israeli military machine is perhaps the major reason why six plus decades after the Holocaust the Jews are once again in the cross hairs, demonized and successfully characterized as “The Problem,” the source of all the animus emanating from that totally misunderstood land where Islam and Sharia are the dominant political force. That this is not obvious to many in the west is evidence of the power to deceive that is part and parcel of Islamic doctrine.
The situation that has been evolving on the ground in the Middle East threatens the entire world. The west is stirring from its slumber but has yet to acknowledge or name the threat and remains mired in the multi/culti, politically correct, attitudes where the solution to all these threats is appeasement, accommodation, calls for the criminalization of “hate speech” and diddling over simplistic “solutions” like “boots on the ground,” a recipe for yet another disaster where history will repeat itself if the boots are only those of America’s bravest and best, and hamstrung by politically derived, ridiculous, rules of engagement fabricated by individuals who have never been “engaged” with a determined, well armed, murderous, devious and crafty enemy imbued with a fatalistic preference for death over life.
America should lead this international effort but that is not now possible nor will it be for the immediate future or beyond if the American electorate continues to be mired in its present political, blame the west, willfully blind, complacent mindset.
Keil says
I agree with most of your analysis, it’s well founded and thoughtful. Iran can’t be omitted its tentacles in the Mid-East are profound. Likewise is Israel seldom taken into consideration in solving some of the hard facts of the regions. The horrible demonization of the Jewish State is legitimizing its absence from any constructive influence. – Considering “boots on the ground” I agree that other “allies” in the area and within NATO do their grounding work in cooperation with the leading US force.
gravenimage says
Geppetto, insightful post.
Just a couple of points. You wrote:
The west needs to adapt a posture of certainty towards the expectation that Iran will gleefully provide nuclear weaponry to IS/ISIS, Al-Nusra, Hamas, Hezbollah, Ansar al-Sharia, the Khorasan Group, etc.
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I agree that a nuclear-armed Iran is incredibly dangerous—especially to Israel—and that they might indeed pass this capacity to other Jihadists such as Hezbollah.
But they won’t be passing it on to Sunni supremacists such as ISIS, because ISIS has been slaughtering Shi’ites as enthusiastically as they have Infidels. Please note that *does not mean* I am minimizing the threat of a nuclear-armed Iran.
More:
While the Iraqi’s themselves have so far proven to be useless as a competent military force there are others in that region that could be a major deterrent to the creation of a Caliphate if they were organized, armed and supported with western military technology and a limited set of western “boots on the ground;” “Western,” not limited to American.
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I don’t believe that “others in that region”—meaning Muslims—are likely to be much better than the Iraqis, with the possible exception of Iran, whom we don’t want to arm for obvious reasons. While others in the region, such as the Saudis, may oppose ISIS because they see them as rivals and a threat to their power, they have no *ideological* differences with them, and so are unlikely to put up much of a fight. We’ve seen this over and over, as with Pakistan’s wavering, inconsistent, and compromised efforts to fight terrorism.
I don’t think we can expect much from that quarter at all.
More:
This alliance should actively and purposefully include Israel, a major, competent, dedicated, military force, a country with the most to lose if this threat is not confronted.
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Israel would, of course, be the big exception. Right now, though, the current US administration is barely treating them as an ally, and will likely not call on them to have *any* role in the fight against ISIS lest it “inflame” Mohammedans throughout the region. Of course, Muslims hate Jews regardless.
More:
A fear of the Israeli military machine is perhaps the major reason why six plus decades after the Holocaust the Jews are once again in the cross hairs, demonized and successfully characterized as “The Problem,” the source of all the animus emanating from that totally misunderstood land where Islam and Sharia are the dominant political force.
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The Muslim animus toward Israel was immediate, and has not ceased since—it has only waxed and waned as a strategic matter. The “Israel military machine” has not caused the hatred against Israel; it has only allowed her to survive it.
That she has successfully defended herself while building a vibrant, thriving democracy *has* led to her being demonized by many in the “politically correct” West, who consider success equivalent to “oppression”. Israel is no longer seen as the underdog, though she is still surrounded by huge enemies who seek her destruction. Of course, if she hadn’t been so successful, she would not be seen as an ipso facto part of the “first world”—but she also would have fallen to the Muslim hordes long since.
Wellington says
Interesting thread. Many fine and insightful posts, the sum of which could be characterized by two observations: 1) Islam is a gigantic burden to all mankind, it is totally effed up; and 2) the West right now is almost completely devoid of the leadership it so sorely needs.
Not a good combo and it is a certainty that a mediocrity like Hillary Clinton will do nothing of substance to change things in a positive direction. Indeed, she has impediment to what needs to be done written all over her.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
“Ground troops in Iraq would be disastrous and self-defeating if they became another Wilsonian nation-building exercise draining this nation’s resources. But the Islamic State will not be beaten without them.”
Forgive my poor English skills, but what is the antecedent of the pronoun “them”?
The Islamic State will not be beaten without [U.S.] ground troops in Iraq?
Without Wilsonian nation-building exercises? Without [America’s] resources?
Sabri S. says
ISIS MUST WIN THIS JIHAD WAR….AND WIN IT SOUNDLY WITH NO DOUBTS.
That is the only way to foil the us governments plot for the region. A puppet Shi’ite regime
Put in place at the detriment of the sunnis Will not stand…nor should it – ever!
The us military are no better or different than ISIS…Both are unwanted occupiers.
Every time I see an injured us service person, it is a reminder of just what a dishonorable way
To lose a limb or have a permanent wound. US out of muslim lands now….or be blown
Out…like Lebanon in 1986!……
Linde Barrera says
To Sabri S- After the PLO was expelled from Jordan for causing trouble, the PLO went to Lebanon and caused trouble. So is it correct to conclude that wherever Muslims with a militant “chip” on their shoulder go, they cause trouble and then play the victim? I sincerely do not wish evil or trouble on anyone, but some folks just sniff it out and attract trouble like a dead coyote attracts vultures.
Angemon says
Sabri S. posted:
“ISIS MUST WIN THIS JIHAD WAR….AND WIN IT SOUNDLY WITH NO DOUBTS
()….
The us military are no better or different than ISIS…Both are unwanted occupiers.”
Both are unwanted occupiers, eh? So why do you want the “unwanted occupier” who rapes and kills to win soundly instead of the “occupier” who would value all lives an give its own resources to help rebuild the war-torn nations?
No, you want the islamic state to win because you consider them the rightly-guided caliphate. How about you put your actions where your words are and join them? After all, if you go meet allah without a mark in your body from fighting in jihad, you’ll be considered deficient.
“US out of muslim lands now….or be blown”
Recently you stated that the only way to have “peace” in the ME was to have the US “exterminated”. Shouldn’t you be happy the US are in muslim lands? Wouldn’t that make “exterminating” them easier for your ilk? You’re quite the coward, aren’t you, Sabri? “Leave or else we’ll kill you, even though you’ve been here for decades and we got our asses kicked every time we tried to rear our heads”.
Daniel Triplett says
Sabri demonstrates how difficult the objective will be to persuade Muslims, and educate them to denounce Islam and choose a peaceful religion. It’s not going to happen without a show of overwhelming force.
He spends time on this website and has learned all about the evils of Islam from Robert. Plus, he’s read the points of view from all in the comments section who hate Islam, yet his loyalty to Islam is undeterred.
Daniel Triplett says
@Peter
Yes Sir, Hillary needs a thorough study of our Constitution.
Her party especially, and often the GOP too, has drifted far from the “common defense” language that specifies the purpose of Federal Taxes. 2/3 (and growing) of our Federal Tax money goes to mostly superfluous pork.
Do we have anything at all to show for Obama’s $1 Trillion Stimulus disaster?
Interesting reports about your Near Death Experiences. How long do you think you were dead? Could you feel yourself leave your body? Interested in whatever you wish to share about that.
Daniel Triplett says
@Peter Charles
Fascinating Peter. Thanks for sharing.
You’ve sure been through a lot. Interesting how you described a feeling of acceptance upon death. I’ve heard that before from others with NDE.
I’ve never heard anyone describe the feeling of being revived with by defib. The pain makes sense. That’s a lot of power.
I think three would be enough for me too. But I admire your bravery for hanging tough. I don’t think anyone having gone through that 1000 times (or 3 times) is a coward by any stretch.
May peace and serenity be with you Brother. Stay strong.
gravenimage says
Glad you’re still with us, Peter.
gravenimage says
The vicious Sabri S. wrote:
ISIS MUST WIN THIS JIHAD WAR….AND WIN IT SOUNDLY WITH NO DOUBTS.
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This is not the first time the appalling Sabri S. has extolled the savage Islamic State and its slaving and genocide. *Ugh*.
More:
That is the only way to foil the us governments plot for the region. A puppet Shi’ite regime
Put in place at the detriment of the sunnis Will not stand…nor should it – ever!
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The US merely—albeit foolishly—tried to foster democracy in that godforsaken stretch of Dar-al-Islam. They didn’t realize that among Muslims the majority *always* oppresses minorities—which, in the case of Iraq, means majority Shi’ites oppressing minority Sunnis.
But then, this is exactly how the Sunnis treated the Shia when Saddam Hussein was in power.
Really, Islam has no conception of minority rights—nor of the rights of the individual.
More:
The us military are no better or different than ISIS…Both are unwanted occupiers.
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Well, now Sabri S. is contradicting himself. This should come as no surprise—reason is not a Muslim’s strong suit. At the top of his post, he was lauding ISIS and gloating over their immanent victory; now he is describing them as as unwanted occupiers.
Further, though, his conflation of the US military ousting a murderous dictator and trying to bring civilized democracy to Iraq with barbarians who are using Infidel and Shi’ite women as sex slaves and beheading journalists and aid workers is simply grotesque.
More:
Every time I see an injured us service person, it is a reminder of just what a dishonorable way
To lose a limb or have a permanent wound.
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Foolish, perhaps—in overestimating the capacity for civilizing Muslims, but not otherwise “dishonorable”. And note: it is Sabri S.’s own vicious coreligionists who are murdering and maiming US troops.
And this is not just the folly of attempting to democratize Iraq—Sabri S. believes that *any* resistance to Islamic domination is equally “dishonorable”. Really, he wants us to just roll over in the face of Jihad, and naturally hates any “Kuffar” nation’s military, because their troops protect Infidels from Muslims like himself.
More:
US out of muslim lands now….or be blown
Out…like Lebanon in 1986!……
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Actually, Lebanon was likely still majority-Christian at the time.
But this attitude is not uncommon—Muslims constantly violently encroach on “Dar-al-Harb”, but consider any resistance at all from Infidels to constitute “aggression”. *Ugh*.
Linde Barrera says
To gravenimage- The brilliant Angemon found the comment that Rezali Mehil made about a clean upper lip and that Champ, Carolyne and myself would be driven wild with desire; to which I replied: “I like tongue more.” !!! This is from the May 30, 2015, 5:32 am article “NYT runs dung – caked Mary painting, but won’t print Muhammed cartoons”. Rezali replied on May 30 at 5:42 am and I replied on June 1 at 10:04 am. So now the mystery is solved and nobody has to keep looking. I also wanted to let you know that Rezali posted that I seem happy when Muslims die. And in reality, I don’t want to see anyone get killed. But I feel it is righteous justice when a person endorses hatred and killing toward innocent, unknown people, and then the haters get killed. Rezali made this comment about me because I posted this comment: “If their religion tells them to kill, then let them kill each other.” And Rezali has this notion that Christians are supposed to be “doormats” or “dishrags” when dealing with others. All I can say to that is: “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love.” – 1 John 4:18. So my dear gravenimage, I will say so long for now, and I am thankful for you, Angemon and so many others here, including Muslims who do not know the One, True God. My prayers and hope is that they will come to know Jesus Christ.
rabrooks says
I’ll make it simple. Once again, she’s too stupid to come up with a plan, and too arrogant to admit it. That seems to be the game plan for this administration.
Don’t bomb the front line, if you can find it. You will probablly be killing ours as well.
Quit the small scale strikes, and go to the large scale/B-52 dumps on the rear echelons. preventing the delivery of supplies to the fighting units. By killing everything that attempts to travel form the rear areas to the front, when the jihadis run out of bullets, there will be no more. For food water and medical supplies, the same. In short time the opposition we crumble.
That’s how it is to be won using our air-war only strategy.
Remember Desert Storm?
total isolation
Same same………
Matthieu Baudin says
Hillary is right, not to write another blank cheque for U.S. funds and casualties. The current head lopping outfits, including ISIS, are in for the long haul, fighting a war of attrition against a great nation (the USA) that’s already out of its depth in debt, largely due to expensive overseas military outlays. If ‘boots on the ground’ are needed at some stages in the fight against ISIS then Iraqi oil money, via the Iraqi treasury, should pay for the lot. On another front, you have to wonder, how much heat the Assad regime is feeling. Syria could be brought in from the cold if it were to formally recognise the State of Israel, something easier to swallow, one would have thought, than the annihilation of secular personnel and minority religious groups.
Keil says
Some commenters have stated that unless one musters commitment to eradicate evil we (the Western civilization) will go into a new Dark Ages. I agree! (The former came into being after the advent of Islam and its victorious jihad armies swept over North Africa into Europe. They didn’t bring the “Golden Age” as Moslems and their appeasers say but filth, plague, tyranny, and withering of just government). – Apparently the Islamic world needs a lesson so severe that they comply. It’s not an easy job, but it has to be in league with WWII. Moslems worldwide has to be met with overwhelming military force as Daniel Triplett, above, has indicated. Firstly Iran has to be forced to its knees. Second the various states in the Middle East have to submit.
In accomplishing such an enormous task, the US has to align with Russia and China, who knows Moslems and hates their guts. – The spirit of FDR and Winnie has to be revoked. Odd bedfellows must be endured too. And Obama out of the WH, naturally.