The clearest indication that Haroon Moghul is a jihad terror-enabling charlatan is the fact that after jihadis attempt to commit mass murder at a free speech event, he doesn’t write a piece defending free speech and explaining why Muslims must accept it, or a piece condemning the Islamic jihadis and explaining why Islam’s death penalty for blasphemy must not be carried out in the modern age, or a piece calling for reform of the teachings and doctrines that Islamic jihadis use to justify violence and supremacism.
Oh, no. You will never see such from his august pen. What Haroon Moghul, fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, Fellow at the New America Foundation, perennial Ph.D. candidate at Columbia University, and an energetic purveyor of the spurious concept of “Islamophobia” (a propaganda term designed to intimidate people into fearing to resist jihad terror), serves up instead is yet another in today’s ever-growing pile of condemnations of Pamela Geller for daring to stand for the freedom of speech.
Moghul is desperately afraid that other Americans might realize that standing up for free speech against violent intimidation is a great idea, in the finest American tradition. That would interfere with the mainstream media’s push to get us all to silence ourselves and conform to Sharia blasphemy laws in order to save our skins. And so Moghul pens this vicious little screed in order to convince his easy marks at CNN that Pamela Geller is not really a defender of the freedom of speech but really a very bad person, and to stay on the reservation, not question the elites, and continue to allow for restrictions on the freedom of speech.
More below.
“Don’t be fooled by Pamela Geller,” by Haroon Mohgul, CNN, May 4, 2015:
(CNN)It’s possible you’d never heard of Pamela Geller before Sunday night’s tragic attack in Garland, Texas. You might think she’s taking a brave stand for free speech, for American values, and that by supporting her, you’re supporting America.
Yep.
I’m here to disabuse you of that notion. While Geller claims to stand for American values, much of what she does undermines our values.
Sunday night, two gunmen opened fire outside an anti-Muslim event in Texas, and were quickly shot dead.
We are constantly labeled as anti-Muslim, and here Moghul calls the event anti-Muslim. Neither are true. Our quarrel is not with Muslims either as individuals or in the aggregate. It is with the elements of Islamic teaching that incite violence and hatred (including and especially Jew-hatred, which is particularly virulent in the Qur’an and Sunnah), deny the freedom of speech and the freedom of conscience, and that encourage oppression of women and non-Muslims. We’re also constantly told that Muslims in the U.S. reject all this. Fine. Then they should have no quarrel with our opposing those things. We’re always characterized as saying “all Muslims are terrorists,” when we have never characterized all Muslims as anything.
You may say, “Ah, but depictions of Muhammad, many of them crude — that’s anti-Muslim.” Yet even most of those were depicting aspects of Muhammad’s life as described in the earliest Islamic texts. If the cartoons depicting Muhammad with his child bride are offensive, are the Islamic texts stating that he consummated his marriage with a nine-year-old when he was 54 also offensive? If a cartoon of Muhammad with a bomb in his turban is offensive, are the Islamic texts in which Muhammad orders people killed and beheads between 600 and 900 Jews also offensive?
I myself find many of the Charlie Hebdo cartoons in poor taste, and some to be offensive. Yet I stand with them in defense of the freedom of speech, the cornerstone of any free society. If Haroon Moghul rejects the death penalty for blasphemy and stands for the freedom of speech, he should have been with us in Texas at our event, in the spirit of the adage, “I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Security prevented what could have been a far greater tragedy, and I am thankful for that, and for those authorities who put their lives on the line to protect our freedom of speech. But this isn’t only about free speech — which, it should go without saying — is a right for all Americans. It’s also about how some people use freedom of speech to subvert other American values.
And on that foundation, Moghul will now spin his sly argument for why the freedom of speech should be restricted.
I am Muslim, and after attacks like these, folks always ask, “Do you condemn terrorism?” Or they throw up their hands and say, “Where are the Muslims!” Well, to be blunt: Not at the event. In fact, every major mosque in the Garland, Texas, area not only shrugged off the anti-Islam event happening in their backyard, but also declined to exercise their equal right to peacefully protest it.
It appears from early reports that the suspects were not currently involved with a mosque. This is because American Muslims — our mosques and our leadership — reject radicalism out of hand.
There you go again, Haroon. Moghul is counting on his hapless CNN audience not knowing that Usama Shami, the President of the Islamic Community Center of Phoenix, has said that the gunmen were both members of his mosque and that he had known one of them, Elton Simpson, for ten years. He professes shock at what they did, of course, as they were wonderful, gentle fellows — and that will probably be good enough for the feds. But in a sane society, what is taught at that mosque would be investigated. And in the meantime, the imam’s statement exposes Moghul’s lie here.
There’s a reason ISIS uses the Internet to propagandize. Jihadists won’t gain traction in American mosques.
So why did Geller claim that the attackers represent large numbers of American Muslims — as she puts it, “your everyday, run of the mill moderates praising mind-numbing savagery” — although her only evidence for that are a few Twitter accounts linked to ISIS, one of which may have belonged to one of the attackers, and none of which represent any American Muslims?
Here again, Moghul is not being accurate. Of course, he probably isn’t aware that one of the accounts calling for violence aga
inst our event was owned by a Muslim woman from Alabama, as that information was not publicized. But his claim that jihadists don’t gain traction in American mosques is belied by the fact that well over a hundred Muslims from the U.S. have gone to join the Islamic State. Others have plotted jihad attacks here. Where are all these Muslims learning their Islam, if not in American mosques? Were they “radicalized on the Internet”? If so, why wasn’t the peaceful Islamic teaching they supposedly learned in their home mosques not able to withstand the jihadi appeal?
It’s not as though Geller ever lets facts get in the way of a good opportunity: After the attack, she didn’t call for dialogue, for understanding, for bringing people together, which is what real leaders do.
Haroon Moghul is a fine one to talk about not letting facts get in the way of a good opportunity. And in any case, by “dialogue,” this disingenuous Islamic supremacist means, Geller should let Islamic supremacist deceivers like me cover up her truth with lies.
Instead, she went on Fox news and called it a war. And that appears to be what she wants. That’s why she’s dangerous, not brave. She’s not celebrating hate speech for the sake of free speech, but to provoke reactions that polarize America, set people at odds, and alienate Muslims, who are American citizens and often first in line to report planned terrorist attacks. (American Muslims are allies, not enemies.)
Pamela Geller called it war, eh? As if she made up that idea? The Islamic State and other jihad groups are clearly at war with the United States. What Haroon Moghul wants is for Americans not to realize that, and not to fight back. If Muslims in America are really standing against the Islamic State and its war against the U.S., then they should be standing for American principles, such as the freedom of speech, not deriding those who are making a stand.
And plenty of people know this, not just American Muslims, who might be presumed to be partial.
Anders Breivik, the Norwegian who killed dozens of fellow Norwegians and published a long, rambling screed justifying his murderousness, cited Geller repeatedly to justify his terrorist actions.
This is a staple of Leftist/Islamic supremacist smearmongering at this point, and I have answered it 1000 times, but here again: Breivik actually condemned me and others for not advocating violence. He got the idea to be a terrorist, he said, from Muslims in al-Qaeda and other jihad groups. If every lunatic who commits violence in the name of an idea discredits that idea by doing so, then Moghul’s Islam is far more discredited than anything Pamela Geller or I say. Also, Breivik later claimed that he was actually not a counter-jihadist, but someone trying to destroy the counter-jihad movement — which is far more credible than his manifesto, since he gave hate merchants like Moghul one of their foremost weapons.
The UK’s conservative, right-wing government even banned her from the kingdom (along with her colleague Robert Spencer). Because they know what the Southern Poverty Law Center knows: She’s using one democratic value to subvert other democratic values.
Is the UK government an unimpeachable source regarding whom they ban and whom they admit? Would Moghul then endorse the fact that just before they banned us, the British government admitted a Muslim cleric who has taught that Muslims should smash the skulls and sever the limbs of unbelievers? Mohammed al-Arefe has said: “Devotion to jihad for the sake of Allah, and the desire to shed blood, to smash skulls, and to sever limbs for the sake of Allah and in defense of His religion, is, undoubtedly, an honor for the believer. Allah said that if a man fights the infidels, the infidels will be unable to prepare to fight.” Or would Moghul grant, if he were honest, that the UK government’s decisions in these matters are motivated by political calculation, not by a judicious appraisal of whether one’s opinions are really beyond the pale of acceptable discourse. And the same is also true of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a hard-Left group that uses the “hate” label to demonize and marginalize those who oppose its political agenda.
Democracy requires free speech, but it also requires individual responsibility. That’s at the heart of what makes this country work. So what happens when they clash? What happens when a person uses free speech to stigmatize an entire people? Even though American Muslims condemn terrorism, it’s unfair to be expected to. Collective responsibility? Guilty until proven innocent? That’s what it means to ask us all to condemn actions, when we have nothing to do with those actions.
Here is Moghul being even more dishonest, for Pamela Geller has never actually used free speech to stigmatize an entire people, or held Muslims collectively responsible for the actions of a few, or held them guilty until proven innocent. He doesn’t quote her doing so, because he can’t. This is outright libel, and he knows he can get away with it, for his CNN audience will credulously swallow all his nonsense — fact-checking is a thing of the past.
There are other American values, too, which deserve mentioning: Exercising your freedoms with responsibility. Yes, we have the right to say things, even offensive things. But should we? Should we act with no consideration of the consequences? Should Geller have hosted an event she knew would draw a violent reaction? Should she put up advertisements in New York with the beneath-contempt claim that killing Jews is obligatory for Muslims?
Moghul is here counseling submission to jihad savagery. “Should Geller have hosted an event she knew would draw a violent reaction?” With adequate security, which we obviously had, yes — rather than submit to violent intimidation. The other path is to allow the violent ones to dictate the public discourse. “Should she put up advertisements in New York with the beneath-contempt claim that killing Jews is obligatory for Muslims?
Then he lies outright: “Should she put up advertisements in New York with the beneath-contempt claim that killing Jews is obligatory for Muslims?” He will fool his CNN marks into thinking that she made up that claim, but in reality, it comes from a Hamas video that ran on its official TV station, containing the words, “Killing Jews is worship that draws us close to Allah” — which is what our ad said. But for Haroon Moghul, Geller is evil for calling attention to it.
Note, too, how Muslims responded: With levity and humor.
And a couple of AK-47s in Garland, Texas.
But maybe making this about Islam prevents people from seeing the bigger picture here, the reason American Muslims are rightly and justifiably offended by Gellar [sic] and her ilk: Should white activists line up to drop the n-word “to support American values” of free speech? Or perhaps march into Ferguson, Missouri, or Baltimore waving Confederate flags? You have every right to. But should you?
And should you be surprised if a few people react violently, even if that violence is unacceptable? (Which it is.) What if you kept doing it, over and over again? For what possible reason would you want to?
Don’t let Pamela Geller fool you. She might use an American value to defend her work, but it’s merely a means to an end, and you won’t like where she’s taking us.
This is just a sly attempt to link her to racists and white supremacists. This kind of argumentation is contemptible. At stake here is not what one should or should not do; it is whether we will submit to violent thugs’ dictates about what we can or cannot do.
Correction: An earlier version of this story misidentified the pundit who David Cameron said made him “choke on his porridge.”
If CNN really wants to fact-check this story and remove the falsehoods, they’ll be left with a blank page.
Nutjob says
Who ever heard of Haroon Moghul? How do people of his ilk become employed? If I made so many errors in my work I’d be out of a job, this buffoon makes so many in his article, it’s contemptible. God help us.
Jaladhi says
You there are bigger buffoons who will employ likes of him!!
Shane says
It’s easy for left wing guys who hate Christianity and defend Islam to get jobs. Do not patronize CNN, MSNBC, NBC and other networks that employ these left wing scumbags.
Jaladhi says
Every Muslim is a jihad enabler. It’s his religious duty towards Mo/allah!! The motto still holds – never ever trust a Muslims – moderate or radical- for that matter there is no moderate Muslim – they are all radical(religious)!!
Mulakush says
RE: The motto still holds – never ever trust a Muslims – moderate or radical- for that matter there is no moderate Muslim – they are all radical(religious)!!
This has been the experience of Hindus in the Indian subcontinent as well. Around the years of 1600, after years of pleading, negotiation and goodwill gestures, the exasperated Hindu leaders declared much the same thing as you say. What the leader Guru Govind Singh said was:
“First put your entire arm in oil. Remove it and then put it into a sack of sesame seeds. Remove it from the sack and count the seeds. If a Muslim swears to you as many times that he will honor his oath, do not believe him!”
dumbledoresarmy says
So we know what mosque they attended and who was in charge?
“Usama Shami, the President of the Islamic Community Center of Phoenix, has said that the gunmen were both members of his mosque and that he had known one of them, Elton Simpson, for ten years.”
that mosque should have been raided the moment that the cops knew that it was, indeed, the mosque the two would-be assassins had regularly attended. It and all associated residential and commercial premises, such as the home and business or office of Usama Shami. Raided, suddenly, with overwhelming force deployed in that raid, and searched, minutely, from attic to basement. Using sniffer dogs, dogs that can detect drugs, explosives, cadavers. Searched by people who know how to find hidden basements, hidden rooms and safes, tunnel entrances, false floors, false ceilings.
And all associated personnel, such as Usama Shami, detained and interrogated. Individually, without the opportunity of conferring with one another after their arrest *or* after emerging from interrogation.
This is what should already have happened, and be happening.
But did it? Is it?
particolor says
Sniffer Pigs would do a Better jog in that Jihad Training Centre !!
Scott says
This guy’s tripe on CNN was mostly barbecued in the comments section at the bottom of the article.
CNN now aggressively deletes posts that the CNN “thought police” don’t like.
I’m not talking about vulgar or hateful or Ad Hominem attacks, I’m talking about a large majority of people who stood up to this Islamic Apologist Moghul fellow and told CNN why he and they are wrong.
CNN just couldn’t censor their comments section fast enough!
Wellington says
Haroon Moghul actually demonstrates that mendacity and ignorance are allies of the only major religion which is a totalitarian ideology. His arguments are not arguments at all but excuses and lies, as Robert Spencer accurately and in detail pointed out here. And meanwhile Muslims continue to maim and slaughter all those who oppose Islam’s design to eventually rule all the earth (yeah, can you believe it, this is what the control-freak religion which is Islam really wants). This is becoming so tiring. But even more tiring are all the “good” dhimmis out there (e.g., Karen Armstrong and John Esposito) who continue to make excuses for the worst religion ever devised by man.
Islam is wretched. Its reputed founder demonstrated quite clearly the traits of a psychopath, narcissist and pedophile (total fraud too). Its holy book is full of hate, stupidity, mind-numbing repetitiveness and much that is risible (e.g., a talking baby Jesus from his manger—–Sura 19:29).
Sadly, so-called moderate Muslims are just about the most gutless, clueless and worthless group of people on the planet, so ever counting on them to stand up for true free speech and true freedom of religion is a fool’s errand. Mo’s creed is a burden to all the world but the main problem that confronts those who cherish liberty is not Mo’s creed but the continued refusal by so many to realize that Mo’s creed is so deserving of being consigned to oblivion. The “so many” here, of course, would include both Muslims and, unfortunately, way too many non-Muslims.
And so the games continue. And the slaughter. And the lies. And nonsense so extensive that one has to wonder at times, a la Scaramouche, if it is not best to live life “with a gift of laughter and the sense that the world is mad.” Doing so, I would assert, might be the sanest thing to do in an insane world——-and only an insane world would extend to Islam any respect. Oh yes, the games continue and they are in full flourish mode.
God knows I despise Islam. But what I despise even more are all those out there, Muslim and non-Muslim, who continue to give this hideous excuse for a religion a pass. Damn them all. None could ever be friends of mine nor should they be of anyone who prizes liberty because between liberty and Islam there can never, ever, be accord. One knows this or should know it. No third alternative exists.
Mirren10 says
As always, Wellington, like Robert, you have eviscerated the meretricious rubbish of this evil and wicked spin artist.
I make no apology for my use of the words **evil and wicked**. It seems to me that very few people nowadays are actually prepared to confront, or indeed, even to name, that which is wicked and evil.
”(CNN)It’s possible you’d never heard of Pamela Geller before Sunday night’s tragic attack in Garland, Texas.”
The above is an example of what I’m talking about . When did people stop using words for their actual *meaning*, and start using them for a deliberate attempt at twisting them, and trying to fool idiots into accepting their meretricious nonsense ?
What happened on Saturday wasn’t a ‘tragic attack’. It was a deliberate attempt to **murder** people who were exercising their right to free speech ! Deliberate, attempted **murder** !!
How, in the name of **God**, has this somehow been transmogrified into a ‘tragic attack’ ??
Has *everyone* lost their sense of right and wrong ?
I’m too sick and angry to comment further.
Shmooviyet says
Mirren10: I applaud your use of the word ‘wicked’!
Our tough, lovable British great-aunt, who survived the Blitz, always reserved that word for the worst actions of human beings. She insisted the ‘wicked’ were worse than the ‘evil’.
You were spot-on in reference to this filthy little man.
He very obviously fears that more and more will BECOME aware of Pam and her message of freedom, NOT hate.
Wellington says
It’s an extra goofy world we live in, MIrren, no dobut about that. By comparison, such centuries as the eighth and eleventh look sane considering they produced sensible people in charge like Charles Martel and Urban II. Now, it seems, virtually all in charge in the West have gone completely bonkers—–and Islam is licking its extra parasitic chops because of this.
What an Age of Nonsense we live in. Anyone doubting this I would refer them to the drivel that Obama and Cameron spout on almost a daily basis. I mean you couldn’t make up doofuses like these two and thus, once again, it can be seen that truth is stranger than fiction.
Hold on, my friend. Enjoy your health to the extent you have it, your loved ones and fine beer and assorted spirits. Keeping you in mind as I try to keep my mind. Take good care, my friend.
Charli Main says
“Sadly, so-called moderate Muslims are just about the most gutless, clueless and worthless group of people on the planet, so ever counting on them to stand up for true free speech and true freedom of religion is a fool’s errand”
Outstanding description of the great Muslim unwashed. The warm, fuzzy, cuddle, cute, lovable Muslim that the MSM delights in shoving down our throats, only exists in the La La Land of the Muslim apologist and PC MC brigade.
TediNeo98 says
Well said Wellington.
Scott says
Robert disassembles the real liars yet again. This Haroon Moghul is the one we should not be fooled by……
Steve says
That CNN article by that mooslim Moghul
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05…
yesterday had a comment section. Almost all comments were in support of free speech and most were in support of Pam Geller.
Today, that comment section is GONE.
I guess the sharia patrol at CNN couldn’t handle being criticized.
Susan says
Steve tried to check out the link you posted and guess what there is no longer anything there the message reads “Uh-oh!
It could be you, or it could be us, but there’s no page here”
abad says
The Texas event was hardly anti-Islam.
What that event was this: proof positive that Muslims will never be able to assimilate into American society.
This is not rocket science!
Jaladhi says
Muslims never assimilate in any non-Muslim society. The proof is in the places where Muslims have lived with non-Muslims for more than 1000 years, e. g. India and other countries. On surface they live peacefully there and yet they always look towards Mecca(Middle east) as if that is their home and not India. Thesame holds true for Muslims in the West- Europe, USA, Australia..where they have not assimilated nor do they have any desire to assimilate!!
Westman says
It makes me wonder what a Muslim immigrant to America says in their mind when swearing allegiance, which is prohibited in Islam.
A reference:http://ahmadjibril.com/qa/JPcremation.html
“The pledge of allegiance is an oath one takes to be loyal to one’s country. But in Islam we believe that we are loyal only to the worship Allah alone as indicated in the following verses from the Qur’an:
“And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone).” [51:56]
Allah (azza wajal) says: “And verily, We have sent among every community a Messenger [proclaiming]: “Worship Allah [Alone] and avoid the Taaghoot .” [16:36]”
If this is true, every Immigrant Muslim American is not really an American, and is subject to obey any seditious requirement by their religion. Real Citizenship?
Michael Copeland says
The Times Square would-be mass murderer bomber jihadi, Faisal Shahzad, was reminded by the judge that he had taken the Oath of Allegiance. His reply:
“I sweared, but I did not mean it.”
Scott says
Comments over at the Communist News Network do seem to be back…..but they’ve been scrubbed again!
Most of my posts (none with vulgarity, ad hominem or hateful prose) are gone!
Hussein6 says
I have long suspected Haroon Moghul to be ‘Garibaldi at loonwatch.com, the hate site which seeks to deflect criticism of Islam onto white colonialists, Jews and Zionists.USA and America.
Since ‘Danios’ ran away after begging for funds and promising readers a book on Good Ole Robert Spencer which never materialised,, ‘Garibaldi’ has been the editor at Loon Watch.
They are all anonymous, and could be just one person. I don’t believe Reza Aslan is Garibaldi as others say. Garibaldi is definately a migrant or a son of muslim migrants.
I have long suspected Haroon Moghal is Garibaldi.
Westman says
Haroon Moghul is frightened for himself and his community as they continue to play the same worn out response. He didn’t even acknowledge that the attackers were Muslims. But then we know that Islamic Peace is impossible even between competing sects of Islam, itself.
His standing and income depend upon the perceived legitimacy of his pronouncements. If the cartoon contest had been “Draw the She-Camel” or, “Draw the 60 Cubit Adam” the result would be the same.
How about a comic book of Muhammad that has been around since at least 2012? And where have been the loud cries to assassinate someone? And the Dante Frescoe, etc.
The Comic book: http://islamcomicbook.com
The only honest answer to why this First Ammendment Cartoon contest mattered to Haroon is that it draws attention to and defies the tyrranous nature of Islamic Theology.
Now millions are asking, how can some image, which is not prohibited by the Quran, cause people to kill? Is Islam really a religion of peace or a power structure that persecutes or destroys any opposition? The Chameleon Islamic Theology allows it to be both, so which is it?
I heard a discussion on Hannity today(normally listen to NPR) and looked at some young peoples comments, people who don’t watch CNN, and the facade is falling off the theology. Haroon, old buddy, you need a new song; even the kids are wise to auto-tune.
Angemon says
Wait, what? Let’s forget, for a moment, those independent reports stating that around 80% of the mosques in America teach “radical” islam. Let’s forget, for a moment, the former muslims speaking out and exposing the “radical” teachings of mosques around America. Let’s forget, for a moment, the facts and focus only on the trite Haroon Moghul is trying to peddle.
Jihadists won’t gain traction in mosques in America, therefore they use the internet.
Let’s see if I can understand the situation as is described by Haroon. We have muslims in America, who go to a mosque, and aren’t exposed to any jihadi propaganda. Their relatives in America, muslims as well, also go to mosques and aren’t exposed to jihadi propaganda. And if they’re not being exposed to any sources teaching them to hate njews, christians… well, non-muslims in general. If such things have no place in mosques in America, if muslims in America aren’t exposed to jihadi propaganda for most of their lives, why is something they see online, something that allegedly goes against everything they were taught in their whole life, both in the mosque and by their families, so appealing? Why are muslims so susceptible to something that is allegedly the complete opposite of what’s taught in mosques in America?
Westman says
The Mosque crams their little brain with the warlord theology and the internet Jihadists recruit them to act on it. It all starts at the Mosque.
Mirren10 says
*Excellent* point, Angemon.
All these ‘moderate’ muslims, constantly bleating about ‘internet radicalisation’ should have their noses rubbed in it, every time they open their lying, meretricious mouths.
Charli Main says
Off Topic for Mirren 10
I´ve heard that the Muslims citizens of Londonistan are absolutely outraged that the new royal baby hasn´t been named Fatima Aisha Cambridge.
The Royal Family are clearly racist, bigoted Islamophobes that have insulted Islam and have failed to acknowledge the ” enormous” contributions that Muslims make to Britainistan.
TediNeo98 says
Brilliant Charli – that really made me smile ☺
DP111 says
Why are muslims so susceptible to something that is allegedly the complete opposite of what’s taught in mosques in America?
I have no idea. Could it be Gobal Warming or Climate Change.
I have heard rumours, that someone known as Robert Spencer, believes that it has something to with some book, allegedly written by some illiterate desert dweller, that its all down tro some guy by the name of allah.
Frankly, its too farfetched; I dont believe this Robert Spoence guy, whoever he is.
R Cole says
They need it to be “anti-Muslim” – because they know otherwise they don’t have a leg to stand on in a free society.
If someone says – I’m talking about Islam – they’ll say Islam and Muslims can’t be separated.
This is how we can move – by connecting their numbered dots – from legitimate criticism and debate on Islam to “anti-Muslim” – and from here anti-racism is used to promote the sharia.
But the assertion that Muslims and Islam are inseparable – is also used to justify the death sentence for leaving it.
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If you read Haroon Moghul’s article – it’s just rehashing. It is like they are running a political campaign for the sharia party and it’s not sinking in – so they have to keep rehashing and rehashing it.
That Brevik used Islam as inspiration for his violent acts – is an embarrassment frankly – so Moghul deduced it is better to throw Geller under the bus.
Wonder if ’embarrassing’ Islam might one day be made a crime – along with ‘offending’ it??
But who is really listening – it’s a hard sell this ‘peaceful’ Islam – especially at a point of a gun!
Call Islam the fastest growing – kill you if you leave faith – in the world!!
Their favorite line is – look at me ~ I’m not a terrorist! Only you never hear Buddhists saying that!
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We have to say thankfully everyone was safe – and no one attending the conference and even those protecting the conference were safe – or that no one was seriously injured.
Look at the Canadian Parliament attack – it was just one guy.
There was one UK Islamic preacher – in a Muslim on Muslim gathering – who said – in Islam’s history – it never took very many jihadi fighters – to take over any one country. He was pointed to Indonesia as an example where only a small group of men brought that country under Islam.
If they want to bring a car full of weapons – then you need a SWAT team and officers trained in firearms.
So be it! These are the conditions.
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At the moment many in the press are saying – But I wasn’t Pamela Geller…, And I wan’t Charlie Hebdo…
One of the gunmen had already tried unsuccessfully to join a terrorist organisation – yet a CNN article treated it as if it wasn’t for the Muhammad cartoon event – the gunmen – these good boys – would not have been shot. But rather – if he had not shot at the officers – with the intention of getting past them to attack the event – then he would not have been shot.
dumbledoresarmy says
Just one guy, or, in Texas, two.
Yes. And at the Parliament of Canada, and outside the art exhibition in Garland, Texas, it took *just one guy* – one cool-headed calm and quite elderly Infidel warrior – to take aim, and fire, and take out the jihadi, or jihadis.
The Sergeant-at-Arms, in Canada; a grandfather, former Mountie, who usually wears a funny ceremonial costume. But that day, in Canada, he successfully defended his Parliament against a jihadi who had already killed a young Canadian soldier.
An off-duty *traffic cop* in Garland Texas. Faced by two jihadis with assault rifles and body armour, he had to think fast and aim straight: and he called it right, and he took them out and took them down.
We have plenty of warrior talent on our side, and we will need it; and when it comes to open combat, I think *our* warriors have the edge. So long as they are informed about jihad and about how Muslims operate (which includes things like playing the victim, every imaginable form of deceit, using human shields, goodcop/ badcop, hudna and ‘treaty of hudaybiyya’).
The ACT for America “Thin Blue Line” project has to be supported to the hilt; making contact with and raising jihad-awareness and general Islamoawareness among ground-level Law Enforcement officers. Similar campaigns have got to get underway across the West…and beyond it, too, in places like India, among the Islamosavvy.
And somehow the Resistance has to make contact with soldiers – and with returned soldiers, even (in Australia and the USA and NZ) with those as old as the Vietnam Veterans, and older. Old soldiers could be our ‘ace in the hole’, once they wake up to the Jihad and the Fifth Column in our midst.
More Ham Ed says
I’m going to go ahead and coin the phrase: What a Haroon!
Scott says
Posted to Megan Kelly’s FB Page:
Megan, You’re our hero! Thank you for standing up to the moral ambiguity of Bill O’Reilly, Laura Ingraham, Gretta van Sustern, Martha McCallum, Allysin Camerota, Bill Donohue, Haroon Moghul and Richard Fowler…
You nailed them all. Why should we give into the terrorists? Why is the victim to be blamed?
Has anyone ever thought how many 1000’s of anti-semetic “cartoons” have been put in official Arab/Muslim media depicting Jews? I don’t recall any Jews taking AK-47’s into Al Jazeera’s offices.
Megyn, you are our hero. Thank You for standing up for FREE SPEECH. Without it….we’re through.
Janet says
Not only do Jews not go into the Jerusalem offices of al Jezeera and shoot the heck out of the anti semites that work there said workers feel safer there than in Gaza. They don’t even trust there own co religionists.
Beyondculturewars says
Here is Haroon, giving a talk in Denver, on Sunday while the Texas attack was happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99i-y_CLUf0
He glosses over the conquests of Mohammed. He ignores the real hold the scholars have over the ruling dynasties, especially in today’s Iran or in Saudi Arabia. He ignores the Islamic Caliphate after Mohammed through Middle Ages. He blames the Islamic conquests on the Mongols. He blames the fall of the Islamic societies on European colonialism.
He never mentions the status of women, non-muslims, the ritual cuts required that are interpreted as FGM, etc.
Oh, and he mentions Robert Spencer by name, thanking him for singlehandedly giving America Muslims an identity as a whole. (min 54.35)
Dennis Barron says
I’m glad I didn’t hear about Haroonie’s Denver talk. I don’t believe any or our television stations covered it.
Good for them.
Elisha says
There is no conceivable way that ANY muslim can be trusted, in light of sura 8:39 – “And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease – then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.” – and muhammad’s proclamation that “War is deceit.” (Bukhari 52:269)
There is no further reading of any of their material required. These two verses say it all, really. They will not stop and they will use ANY means to achieve their aims. Little wonder they have formed a highly hypocritical, temporary friendship with the left, which will end rather messily.
“He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.” – John 12:48
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” – Romans 12:19
“And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.” – Zechariah 12:9
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. – Revelation 21:4
Oh, what and great and terrible day that will be! I implore EVERYONE to place their faith in the resurrected Christ and repent of your sins while there remains time to do so.
Amen.
Epa Minondas says
Even if one thinks Pamela is a provocateur supreme, even if one thinks she is a reprehensible human for her public, and unrelenting attitude and speech about CERTAIN muslims, Islamists, and Sharia .. how can we apply LESS protection for her speech that than of the ACLU, and their attorney David Goldberger, who, over the Skokie case said “In order to protect our own rights, we must protect the rights of the most obnoxious among us”.
The 1st amendment which is, in fact INTOLERABLE to the sunni and shia fundamentalists because it will ALWAYS result in blasphemy to them, is ALSO the protection under freedom of religion which prevents arbitrary deportation of those we don’t care for, and TOLERATE BY LAW, just because they are unpopular and obnoxious in the public mind of the day.
Diimaa says
“..Tragic attack….” Unless you wished the attack to have been successful, to me, it wasn’t tragic. The terrorists were taken down before seriously harming anyone.
Moghul must be sad that two terrorists were ” tragically” cut down..
If we can’t do or say stuff like this, then America becomes just another third world shithole with shiny bathrooms and big burgers.
I stand with Pamela and Robert!
Dave J says
Islam does not just forbid Muslims from drawing their nasty prophet, they forbid everyone in the world from doing so, on pain of an armed attack with murder it’s goal. This is where they cross the line from “pious” to Fascist, revealing that their “religion” is actually a Supremacist criminal gang and death cult.
Maranatha says
I would say:
Ok jihadist maroon and friends:
We cannot draw cartoons..
We cannot write books you don’t like (ask Salman Rushdie about this)
Or magazines you don’t like..(like Charli Hebdo)
…or movies
..or documentaries..
..or criticize pedophilia
Can you please tell your friends to issue a fatwa listing some of their daily activities we can make a comment about?
Because whether you like it or not our brains are still busy.