A 17-year old Coptic Christian girl named Tihani al-Nur Hakim was kidnapped in late April in the village of al-Kom al-Qibliyya in Samalout, Upper Egypt.
Her family accuses the next door neighbor, a Muslim man named Ahmed Khalifa.
An eyewitness said he saw the Muslim man seizing the girl. Although the family planned on organizing a protest, village elders counseled against it, lest it backfire by provoking more of the area’s Muslims to retaliate against the Christian minority of the region, as often happens whenever Copts demand their human rights.
Two days earlier, a young Coptic man named Abu Noub Zarif Yusif also disappeared from the region and then reappeared saying that he had converted to Islam.
TediNeo98 says
I cannot tell you how much I hate Islam – where in this article do you see the so called “moderate” peaceful muslims standing up & saying “no, enough of this” In any society – Islam is the cancer. Where I live it will never prevail & it will never destroy our feeedom – too many are realising the truth.
mortimer says
Good to hear it. Sounds like you are in Tennessee or Texas…place where they care about human rights.
The abduction of Christian girls is considered a right. Families that can’t find a Muslim bride for their son traditionally ‘steal’ a girl of another faith…a kafir.
The suffering is terrible. This is Islam…the real Islam…the only Islam.
spot on says
Poor girl. She will now be forced by Muslims to live like an animal the rest of her life. How cruel and heartless can anyone be. We treat our dogs and horses far better than Muslims treat humans, especially women. Muslims are subhuman.
The liberal US Democrat Party and some individual Republicans are the driving political force here to broaden the scope of this type Muslim behavior. PC-MC is no excuse. Liberal Parties in Europe have already succeeded in bringing Muslims to large numbers there. All this to get Muslim votes.
I agree with Ted, where are all the “moderate Muslims” condemning these Muslims for this atrocity.
Keith says
If there are any they are sat in their homes living in fear of being beheadedf for apostasy or blasphemy.
spot on says
A new torture ISIS Islamic savages now using on women caught breast feeding in public.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/isis-finds-savage-way-to-mutilate-women-caught-breast-feeding-in-public/
Godwin says
Where is the Useless n hopeless pope in this?
spot on says
Heaven only knows.
particolor says
The CRITICAL Level is 5% Now remember that !! After that You will NEVER get the Ferrets out ! 🙁 🙁
TediNeo98 says
Well, they currently exceed that where I live…so it simply means that if the ferrets ever come on to my property to bring their islam/sharia bulls**t in future, they will be dealt with swiftly. Definitely not going down without a fight here.
particolor says
Get a Flame Thrower, It acclimatizes them for their After Life !!
Jaladhi says
The reason you see any moderate Muslim rise and say enough is enough because there are no moderate Muslims. Period. Its only a figment West’s imagination and those of Muslim apologists. And of course Muslims like it because it gives them a free pass.
To hell with this “moderate Muslim” business – call them what they really are – all religious pious radical Muslims who think nothing of murder, kidnapping, looting, and other atrocities being inflicted on non-Muslims through out the world. Totally a hypocrite bunc.h
voegelinian says
No worries. Although the Counter-Jihad has rid itself of the term “Moderate Muslim”, it has found creative ways to still purvey the same meme — under other terms. Indeed, we saw one of those term in a comment above — the “Afraid Muslim”. Many more terms are available, for those asymptotics who just can’t let their inner PC MC go entirely.
The Mutation of the “Moderate Muslim”
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-mutation-of-moderate-muslim.html
And back in January of 2006 I wrote:
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2008/01/time-to-throw-away-term-moderate-muslim.html
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2008/01/time-to-throw-away-term-moderate-muslim.html
Muslim Taxonomy
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2013/09/muslim-taxonomy.html
A quote from that last article:
“My interest in this mytho-political taxonomy has moved from a fascination at the way Leftists indulge in it, and then the broader somewhat subtler ways in which PC MCs purvey and perpetuate it, on to the maddening habit of those who should know better — those in the Counter-Jihad. Thus was born my term asymptotic, to denote the person who makes a big show of being politically incorrect and who claims to disdain PC MC, and who therefore claims to be oh so tough on Islam — but when the rubber meets the road, he suddenly manifests a telltale tic of PC MC himself. ”
And finally (for now):
Bosch Fawstin’s multiplication of the crypto-moderate
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/10/bosch-fawstins-multiplication-of-crypto.html
spot on says
“I cannot tell you how much I hate Islam…”
I believe that Islam is a direct descendent of the true evil that has been characterized for millennia in the Bible and other ancient texts.
Evil is part of human nature and cannot be eradicated but it can be minimized. Islam must be discredited, eliminated, and thrown into the garbage heap.
Peggy says
I am so distraught from reading article after article about how innocent lamb has gone to slaughter time and time again and our traitors in government choose to ignore it and even threaten us with prosecution if we dare speak about it publiclly.
Evil has taken over our governments and we seem to be helpless against it. No amount of us sharing our grief here is going to help those persecuted, we have proof of that now.
is there anyone in the military who can start a coup? We need friends in the military or we will continue to only vent our grief, anger and frustration without having any success of ending it. We need patriots and champions.
WE can start in a small way to only vote for minor parties dedicated to stopping this. There are two in Australia and we need to give them all the support.
Let’s start spreading the word about them.
Vote for Australian Christian headed by Vickie Janson, One Nation, or Australia First party. One of these parties should be represented in each electorate so I would urge all to vote for them.
Unless we do our bit we can only expect to be back here in five years time and still complaining.
particolor says
Wake Up..
All those Wars and Crap in the Middle East are as Fake as Fake gets !! Its all part of their Master plan ! Fill up all the (So Called) Refugee Camps with Stealth Fighters and wait for the Wet Eyed Western Goody Two Shoes to Flood Your Country’s with them !! OOOW They Love it when a Plan comes together !!
Don’t believe Me ? Name a Country with those things on board that isn’t Complaining about the Mongrels ?
Jaladhi says
This is the standard operating procedure of Muslims throughout the world and throughout the ages. It doesn’t matter the Muslims are from whether Pakistan or Egypt or anywhere else. They kidnap thenon-Muslim girls and marry off to a Muslim boy and then the girl is off limits to her parents or relatives. Ask Pakistani Hindus and Christians what Muslims are doing to their girls – rampant kidnapping for last 60 years when the country became a Muslim country called Pakistan.
And yet we let Muslims to come into this country – what a death wish!! God forbid if Muslims become a majority here the same patter of kidnapping will be sen here!!
USMAN says
WHY ISLAM IS GROWING VERY FAST
You remember, Boko Haram abducted 292 girls and converted them to Islam at gun point against their will. After this, all of these girls will be raped and if they become pregnant and give birth will their children be Muslims or Christians. Your guess is as good as mine. This has been the modus operandi right from the inception of Islam.
gravenimage says
Any children of a Muslim father—even if he is a rapist—are considered automatically Muslim under Islamic law, USMAN.
Peggy says
How much do we know about Obama’s father? We know we don’t like the son.
gravenimage says
Peggy, he seems to have been a lapsed Muslim and a Communist. But he still held Muslim “values”—he practiced polygamy; carelessly abandoned his children (including Barack); and had a bloated, unearned sense of entitlement.
And a lot of his close relatives are far more devout. Raila Odinga, his cousin, supports Jihad terror and Shari’ah.
And Obama’s step father was also Muslim, and did take Barack to the Mosque. Barack was also registered as a Muslim at school in Indonesia, where he also attended Qur’an school.
I don’t blame anyone for their relatives—but his close association with Muslims continued long after he was on his own.
In college and afterwards, he would have several Muslim roommates, and several Muslim colleagues when he worked as a “community organizer”.
For a kid born in early 1960s Hawai’i—a place with virtually no Muslims—the constant and close contact he had with Muslims is strikingly apparent. This is one of the things that struck me most reading the disturbing “Dreams from my Father”.
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
This poor dhimmi Coptic family just wanted to organize a quisling little protest and still “…village elders counseled against it…”.
These people [the Copts] are getting exactly what their weakness deserves. And the fact that they are dhimmis in their own ancestral land is their own fault. If someone abducted my daughter and I knew who it was, I would gather the appropriate weapons and proceed to wipe out their entire bloodline. Any other attitude towards this kind of evil breeds the mentality that says “Oh, if we protest they might make life even worse for us”.
For God’s sake, man, they abducted your daughter. What more does it take?
No, Sir. Either the culprits are all dead and I have my daughter back in my arms or I am dead trying to make that happen. And everyone (including the effeminate ‘village elders’) either joins me and dies in the fight or they deserve their shame as weak dhimmis. Period. Aut Vincere Aut Mori. That’s Latin for Yippee Kayay Motherf—er.
And if more people in the Middle East had this [frankly American] attitude, instead of the cowardly, dhimmi attitude of these village elders, maybe Islam would have been snuffed out centuries ago, never to return. Don’t forget: many thousands of Christian apostates are the ancestors of these Muslims abducting Christians in Egypt today. Sure: they stopped fighting, they accepted their dhimmi status; then that became too burdensome for them, so they converted to Islam. And so Islam grew and continued to spread. First by the financial and material support of the dhimmis, then by their conversion. And voila Egypt became an overwhelmingly Muslim country.
But if these dhimmi people had had the balls to stand up to the Muslims from the very beginning (and fight to the death rather than accept dhimmi status) Islam may never have taken over. It is the attitude of the dhimmi to accept their humiliated status that led to Islam spreading at the rate it did historically. What happened to “death before dishonor”? That is precisely the point: these people have no honor, and so their dhimmi status is their own fault. There are some things worth fighting and dying for. And the abduction of a young girl by your enemy is definitely one of those things. But the point is: it takes honor to understand that.
These people, like their [dhimmi/apostate] ancestors, are weak. Period. And that’s why the Muslim boogeyman is still abducting their women. Whether it was Charles Martel in France, Jan Sobieski in Austria, or the Spaniards of the Reconquista, the Europeans at least fought back the Muslim onslaught and defended their lands to the death. That is honorable.
Replies to possible objections:
1. The “brave” Europeans are weak and selling out as dhimmis to the Muslims today. True. No argument from me on that point. But that doesn’t change the fact that their ancestors were brave and honorable and did the right thing.
2. The Copts [and, for that matter, the Berbers] of Northern Africa did in fact fight the Muslims; it is just that they lost the fight. I would say that if it were the case that every able bodied man and woman died in battle and only the young children were taken as captives and forcibly converted, then that would be understandable. But that is not what happened historically. Historically, as the battles waned and defeat was nearly certain, many men and women surrendered and agreed to live as subjected people. To save their lives, they sold their honor. And that is where their dishonor began. Every able bodied adult, male or female, should have fought these Muslim devils to the death and never have accepted to live as dhimmis under them.
3. You’re just a “keyboard cowboy” and only saying these things because you have never had to make such brave decisions. Answer: on the one hand, you may be right; I certainly have never been in such an overwhelming situation. But, on the other hand, you do not know me personally, so how could you say such a thing with conviction? I have in fact, in the line of duty, acted bravely before in life and death situations and feel quite confident that I would be willing to give up my life in battle against such a diabolical enemy. And I pray the Lord God to give me such strength as David. So, you never know. But more importantly, whether I personally would be a dhimmi or a hero is immaterial. The question is whether this strategy of fighting to the death would have been a better course historically than accepting dhimmi status. In other words: ad hominem fallacy: even if I am a dhimmi coward, the strategy of never submitting could still have been the better course historically.
Peggy says
Oh how brave you are behind this keyboard. There are so few non Muslims in that region and the Muslims have sophisticated weapons (courtesy of the west) and many, many rabid soldiers.
So they simply CAN’T fight back. Do you honestly belive that parents would not try if they had any hope of even knowing who did it first and if there was any possible way of achieving their goal?
So the father goes there with his kitchen knife of whatever he has. As soon as he does that, the rest of his family will be slaughtered. How on earth can you not get that?
Ernie says
I agree completely with your comment here Peggy !
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
You don’t understand what I am saying because you are a dhimmi at heart. A coward. It really is as simple as that. Some people are born with the soul of an eagle and others are born with the soul of a burrowing mole. I don’t know your family’s history, but perhaps you all better fit the pattern of the mole than the eagle. Your kind prefers to run and hide from difficulties rather than confront them. And that’s fine. For you. As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord. We prefer to die honorably FOR something rather than dishonorably OF something. Chris Kyle had the magnificent soul of an eagle, in case you were wondering, not the stilted soul of a mole. If the West is ever to defeat Islam, we need more heroes like Chris Kyle and fewer cowardly dhimmi souls like yours. And ditto for the faggot who agreed with your comment below.
Peggy says
And what would your way achieve? Nothing. You would get yourself and everyone else killed and nobody would care.
You are the coward, not me. I would bet my life that if you were living there not only would you shut up but you would convert in order to survive. The more you talk the less courageous you seem to be.
If you want to be helpful, stop voting for Democrats or Republicans, or Labor or Conservatives, or any other major party in your country. Vote for a minor party dedicated to helping these poor unfortunate brothers and silsters of ours. You talk big but you probably will still vote for a major party knowing they are helping the Muslims over there.
Now stop beating your chest and have some compassion.
gravenimage says
Joseph, Son of Mattathias wrote:
These people [the Copts] are getting exactly what their weakness deserves. And the fact that they are dhimmis in their own ancestral land is their own fault. If someone abducted my daughter and I knew who it was, I would gather the appropriate weapons and proceed to wipe out their entire bloodline. Any other attitude towards this kind of evil breeds the mentality that says “Oh, if we protest they might make life even worse for us”.
For God’s sake, man, they abducted your daughter. What more does it take?
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You, sir, are an idiot. Peggy is quite right. Muslims would not just kill the parents or even the whole family, but the entire village *at least*—chances are they would go on a rampage of “revenge” attacking Christians across Egypt. Infidels in Dar-al-Islam have even been murdered for the acts of non-Muslim in the free world. And what makes you think they have access to weapons? Most dhimmis were disarmed of all but incidental weapons (things like rakes or hammers) many years ago.
I don’t blame dhimmis—they are not only trying to save their own lives, but the lives of their loved ones and neighbors and fellow Christians.
That is why it is so important that we in Dar-al-Harb—*especially* those of us in the free West—take a stand against this evil here and now.
And the last thing we need are fools blaming the victims. *Ugh*.
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
You’re a dumbass. And a dhimmi at heart. You make my point perfectly. You say they are trying to save their families’ lives.
But for what, dumbass?
To live as dhimmis in a world where their women can be taken at random at any time? What kind of life is that? Just think about what you are saying. I would rather be dead than live like that. And that is the difference between you [and Peggy and Ernie] and me. You [all] prefer to live at any cost and I prefer to live honorably or not at all. Take a deep breath, read that last sentence one more time slowly to yourself, and let the truth sink in: you are a dhimmi soul at heart.
You are a dhimmi soul, so I don’t expect you to understand. Please see my reply to Peggy above about Chris Kyle and the difference between persons with the soul of an eagle and those with the soul of a burrowing mole. You, Sir, are an example of the latter. And the reason the West is in the shape it is in currently vis-a-vis Islam is because there are too many moles like you and not enough eagles. Grow a pair. Lead, follow, or get out of the way. The world has enough quisling cowards. What is needed now are men, not women or half-men. Hombres seguros y fuertes, muy fuertes.
Joseph says
@ Philip Jihadski
Please keep in mind there are now 3 “Josephs on JW now
Joseph, Son of Mattathias
Joseph2
and me (Joseph)
I think you know where I stand, I just don’t want any confusion or misunderstandings.
I would say it is time for a name change, wouldn’t you??
gravenimage says
The witless Joseph, Son of Mattathias wrote:
You’re a dumbass. And a dhimmi at heart. You make my point perfectly. You say they are trying to save their families’ lives.
But for what, dumbass?
To live as dhimmis in a world where their women can be taken at random at any time? What kind of life is that? Just think about what you are saying. I would rather be dead than live like that.
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Well, that’s fine—but that’s not what you’re saying. You aren’t speaking for yourself—you’re saying that the lives of *other people* are worthless..
More:
You are a dhimmi soul, so I don’t expect you to understand. Please see my reply to Peggy above about Chris Kyle and the difference between persons with the soul of an eagle and those with the soul of a burrowing mole.
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I have enormous respect for Chris Kyle’s bravery. He also had the backing of the greatest military in the free world. Would that this were true for these Christians trying to survive behind enemy lines.
More:
You, Sir, are an example of the latter. And the reason the West is in the shape it is in currently vis-a-vis Islam is because there are too many moles like you and not enough eagles. Grow a pair. Lead, follow, or get out of the way. The world has enough quisling cowards. What is needed now are men, not women or half-men. Hombres seguros y fuertes, muy fuertes.
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I *am* a woman, you cretin—as you would know if you had read here for even the shortest period of time. Anti-Jihadists Pamela Geller, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and Oriana Fallaci are as confident and strong—and as brave—as any man. In fact, I would venture to say that Oriana Fallaci , fighting in the woods of Nazi-occupied Europe as a young girl, had more balls than many men.
My mother and aunt both served in the British military during WWII as very young women, driving huge supply trucks in blackout conditions. They both soldiered on through the London Blitz.
As for “faggots”. take that up with staunch Anti-Jihadists like Bruce Bawer. Let me know what contributions you have made that equal his.
More:
Honestly. Read your comments. You sound like a woman. And I know that’s all the rage these days, to be sensitive and understanding like a woman and not show your manly side. But there are times when being a woman [or effeminate] is less than useful. For example: war. So, Graven, stay home and help the ladies knit wool caps for the men going into battle. That would seem perhaps better to suit your temperament.
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The idea that contempt for the victims of savagery is courage is anything but.
More:
As for today’s victims, again, dumbass, my point is that their ancestors gave in and gave up the fight and agreed to live as dhimmis. Or converted to Islam outright. I know for your craven heart, which seeks life at any cost, that sounds like a great plan, but for men of honor it is despicable and dishonorable. It’s not about the poor unfortunate eight year old being abducted today. It’s about the tens of thousands of his dhimmi and apostate forbears who made his abduction a possibility in the first place.
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I have in-laws who liberated Dachau. Would the absurdly self-styled Joseph, Son of Mattathias have cared about freeing Europe from the scourge of Fascism, let alone the victims of the Holocaust? I very much doubt it. It seems more likely that he would have nothing but disdain for them, much as the Nazi themselves had.
My father served in Korea.
The idea that contempt for the victims of brutality is a “frankly American” attitude could not be a more grotesque calumny. I’m proud to be an American—from your expressed attitude, you must cringe at our having saved Europe, the Far East, and South Korea.
The idea that compassion and courage cannot coexist is grotesquely false. In fact, a fearless man lacking care for others is nothing but a thug—much like these Muslim scum.
Any true hero combines the traits of bravery and caring.
Yet more:
I realize these are some fairly abstract ideas. I dunno, maybe read each sentence aloud slowly to yourself so you understand them better. Or next time maybe I’ll write slower for you.
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Oh, you have made yourself *abundantly* clear here, I assure you.
Notice that “Joseph, Son of Mattathias” has barely a word to say against the ravening Mohammedans themselves, yet is willing to endlessly excoriate their victims. *Ugh*.
He talks about “eagles” and “moles”—the archetype I have in mind, instead, is the protective Sheepdog. but perhaps this is too abstract an idea for such a crude “thinker”.
gravenimage says
Thank you, PJ.
gravenimage says
Joseph wrote:
Please keep in mind there are now 3 “Josephs on JW now
Joseph, Son of Mattathias
Joseph2
and me (Joseph)
I think you know where I stand, I just don’t want any confusion or misunderstandings.
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“Joseph, Son of Mattathias”, and “Joseph 2” appear to be one and the same poster. But I never confused his nasty comments with those of yourself. Joseph.
In just the same way, there are several “Davids” here, as well as at least one “Robert” who is not to be confused with Robert Spencer.
Angemon says
gravenimage posted:
“I don’t blame dhimmis—they are not only trying to save their own lives, but the lives of their loved ones and neighbors and fellow Christians.”
Aye, GI. It’s a sad truth, but it’s the truth. Any attempt at “being uppity” would almost certainly be met with brutal, large scale, muslim-on-Christian violence. Take, for example, what happened in East Timor. The calls for independence form Indonesia were seen as Christians “being uppity” and not knowing their place, a call to jihad was made and brutal violence and bloody slaughter ensued. In fact, IIRC, that was on Bin Laden’s grievance list – the US and Australia helped secure the independence of East Timor from muslim-majority Indonesia.
Angemon says
Also, to complement what I said: we must keep in mind that the relaxation of dhimmi rules came not from an internal movement within islam but from foreign pressure – Western powers of the time were horrified at the treatment of religious minorities at the hands of muslims in the Ottoman Empire and threatened to use force should they continue. So, yeah, maybe Christians in Egypt aren’t paying the jizya, and shaving their heads, and being pushed to the middle of the road, and so on*, but that doesn’t mean that the ideology that forced them to do so in the first place was deemed unfit and replaced with something better. For all I know, every single muslim in Egypt may very well believe that Christians should pay the jizya, and shave their heads, and be forced into the middle of the road, etc.
*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XmxgKznqpo
gravenimage says
All very true, Angemon.
particolor says
Getting the Dogs out of New Guinea would be another Good Idea !! Before their further Ambitions get the better of their Greed !! 🙁
gravenimage says
Oh, look—here are some more victims for Joseph to sneer at:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/egypt-gunmen-kidnap-8-year-old-copt-from-mothers-arms
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
Honestly. Read your comments. You sound like a woman. And I know that’s all the rage these days, to be sensitive and understanding like a woman and not show your manly side. But there are times when being a woman [or effeminate] is less than useful. For example: war. So, Graven, stay home and help the ladies knit wool caps for the men going into battle. That would seem perhaps better to suit your temperament.
As for today’s victims, again, dumbass, my point is that their ancestors gave in and gave up the fight and agreed to live as dhimmis. Or converted to Islam outright. I know for your craven heart, which seeks life at any cost, that sounds like a great plan, but for men of honor it is despicable and dishonorable. It’s not about the poor unfortunate eight year old being abducted today. It’s about the tens of thousands of his dhimmi and apostate forbears who made his abduction a possibility in the first place.
I realize these are some fairly abstract ideas. I dunno, maybe read each sentence aloud slowly to yourself so you understand them better. Or next time maybe I’ll write slower for you.
Champ says
GET. LOST.
Peggy says
What’s got your goat? Ooops sorry I meant who.
Ernie says
Hi Philip , NOW YOU MARK MY WORDS ! here under .
voegelinian says
Lol, Phillip Jihadski’s Anger Management inflicts friendly fire on Peggy. What a riot.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Lol, Phillip Jihadski’s Anger Management inflicts friendly fire on Peggy. What a riot.”
And, as usual when muslim trolls are running rampant, voeg’s concerned with side-snipping staunch counter-jihadis like PJ. Sorry, I meant “after muslim trolls run rampant”. Funny how people like PJ, GI or Champ, who are always in the forefront and confronting this kind of trolls, more often than not find themselves under fire by voeg. I guess repeatedly shooting someone in the back is somehow better than “friendly fire”? Priorities, priorities…
(Also, before voeg asks where I was at the time, I’m in Europe, the exchange took place during the 01:00 – 07:00 period, which usually is my sleeping hours)
Now, if only voeg were to channel 1/10th of his rage of staunch counter-jihadis and used it to learn how to be a civil human being…
voegelinian says
Well Ernie, maybe Phillip Jihadski is preoccupied and can’t answer now, jetting to some Muslim country to do business or whatever it is he does in those hellholes.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Well Ernie, maybe Phillip Jihadski is preoccupied and can’t answer now, jetting to some Muslim country to do business or whatever it is he does in those hellholes.”
IIRC, this isn’t the first time voeg throws this sort of mud at PJ: “oh, you spend so much time in muslim countries. What are you doing there?”. And PJ has already explained what he does there and why. But voeg has no problems throwing this kind of suspicions around (not to mention the whole plethora of thugissh behaviour he has engaged in), like a monkey with its feces, because PJ dared to criticize him – how dare he? How very dare he criticizing the “doctor of counter-jihad”? From that moment on, all bets are off and all and every attack on PJ becomes permissible, much like any of the four rightly-guided caliphs would react to a Christian asking “huh, why do I have to pay this extra tax? And what’s this about having to shave my head and being forced to the middle of the road”? What does that tells us about voeg’s moral compass, or lack thereof?
Ernie says
Dear Philip , why don’t you trust me ? I thought I proved myself well enough here . And Justin , he surely is my enemy/nemesis . He pisses me off all the time he is attacking the West with his Putin propaganda , his anti democratic attitude . His abuse of people of “other” sexual orientation . Futhermore , this guy pretends being a Christian , well , in name he might be , but his heart and his judgements show something else ,and he wants our ,yes OUR WEST DESTROYED , so I give him and his comments ” special ” attention . READ ALL MY POSTS Philip , and you’ll understand . You’re distrusting me ; well , I take that as a personal insult Philip . You are getting a little paranoid with me Philip , and yes , your distrust of me HURTS !
Ernie says
But to make it clear to you that I am who I am , It’s O.K. with me Philip : I spit on the qur’an , I defecate on the qur’an , and Muhammed who claimed to be a prophet surely was not a prophet of the LORD , OUR G-D , but he was just a vile creature following satan . I am NOT a muslim . I am a Christian . Hopefully this is enough for you Philip . If you want me to exclaim something else to prove my allegiance , just say it , and I’ll do it . I hope you are satisfied !
Ernie says
Dear Philip , I really want a response from you , so please…. .
Ernie says
I despise Islam . I despise Mohammed . He is not a prophet . I spit on the Koran .
Ernie says
Well Philip , what is the nonsense I spew ? What is nonsensical about what I have commented here on Jihad Watch ? I’ve marked your words Philip , now be a gentleman and answer me !
Ernie says
And Philip , an apology from you to me would be highly appreciated . I hope you are man enough to do so . I never defended islam or muslims ; I defend( ed ) Christian , Jewish and ( Western ) democratic values all the time ( because those are my values) . So don’t accuse me of things I don’t say or do . You are wrong about me , and that hurts Philip .
Ernie says
And Philip , Sometimes I disappear , with good reasons I think . Last two years I’ve had three operations ( I am a cancer patient ) . My health is not good , and sometimes I just lack the energy to be on this block .
Ernie says
Well philip , exactly what I expected from you : you are quick in suspecting , accusing me . Your language (often) is vulgar , included insinuations , and sometimes even threats . But when you are wrong , you’ll not admit it , and you certainly don’t apologize . Not nice of you Philip , not nice at all .
gravenimage says
Ernie, I can’t recall all of your comments, but I’ve always had the impression that you are a solid Anti-Jihadist.
Ernie says
Thank you Dear Gravenimage , for your trust , and thank you for speaking your mind about this . You are an angel !
Champ says
Ernie says
May 13, 2015 at 6:37 am
And Philip , Sometimes I disappear , with good reasons I think . Last two years I’ve had three operations ( I am a cancer patient ) . My health is not good , and sometimes I just lack the energy to be on this block .
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Dear Ernie, thank you for sharing your battle with cancer, and I’m sorry that you’re going through this. You are a dear brother in Christ and someone I consider to be a friend here. Please take good care of yourself, my friend.
Ernie says
Dear Champ , thank you very much for your healing words , you are a true friend and Sister in Christ . I’m so blessed having REAL FRIENDS here , you are as angels , I feel the Lord Our G-d is working through you and again : yes , I’m truly blessed receiving so much love . Thank you for your well wishes . May G-d bless and keep you and yours Champ . Thank you Lord for all your blessings , You are so wunderful my Lord , Amen !
particolor says
Well Thank God (Our God) that’s over without anyone losing a Limb !!
Ernie says
Blog , sorry .
Mirren10 says
Ernie, I agree with gravenimage.
Ernie says
Thank you Mirren 10 , you and Gravenimage are angels , giving me an anti-dote for the poison of distrust hate and anger I had to swallow here . I’m truly grateful for you speaking your mind !
gravenimage says
Ernie, I am very sorry to hear about your health battles. I’ll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
Joseph says
The United States government is going to do NOTHING about all the atrocities in the ME.
One of our last options is to hold PEACEFUL marches in EVERY major city in the US.
This action will also get some of the “fence sitters” to get off their arse and choose a side.
Our government has to get the picture that America IS pissed and we want something done.
One cry could be “Stop the importation of Muslim Jihad/terrorists”
“STOP THE SLAUGHTER OF CHRISTIANS & NON-MUSLIMS…EVERYWHERE”
Marco says
Our so called govt could give a rats a$$ because they support this in deed and words. Imam Obama hates Christians!
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
Wow, this Jihadski guy is a real fucking nutcase, huh? He thinks you and I are the same person. What a paranoid freak. I’m done with this JW Comments section. You will never see me on here again. Too stupid and paranoid for my taste. Earlier, just so you know what happened, I tried to post as “Joseph, Son of Mattathias”, but for some reason the comment would not appear, even after an hour of waiting. So I quickly created “Joseph2” just to see if the problem was with my username or something. Then, of course, a short time later both comments appeared, with different usernames. Same exact comment, as you can see above, just different usernames. Didn’t think that was too tricky for people to figure out. Anyway, you know you are not me and I know I am not you. Jihadski seems to be a few cards short of a full deck. And I don’t have time to deal with bullshit like this. Peace.
gravenimage says
No, Philip Jihadiski never said that he thought you were longtime poster Joseph. It is common to shorten usernames in replies—hence he referred to you simply as “Joseph”, just as many posters shorten their replies to him as “Philip”, rather than spelling out “Philip Jihadski”.
Poster Joseph was then concerned—for good reason, given the appalling content of your comments as “Joseph, Son of Mattathias” and “Joseph2″ just—that some readers might confuse his reasonable posts with those of yourself.
And I very much doubt that you are withdrawing because you found anyone here “stupid and paranoid”, but rather because you found that your vicious scorn for the victims of Islam were not shared by the good Anti-Jihadists here at Jihad Watch.
voegelinian says
“Joseph of Mattathias” may be right about Phillip Jihadski, but that doesn’t make him right about the West and his promiscuously rash & reckless mudslinging of the term “dhimmi”. “Joseph of Mattathias” is one of, unfortunately many in the Counter-Jihad who distort the Problem of the Problem into an imputation of evil on the West and from there a dangerous tendency to verge into Conspiracy Theory about some dastardy Cabal that is supposed to be colluding with (if not manufcating) the problem of Islam. This is just one way certain Westerners have of deflecting the intensity of focus away from Islam and all Muslims onto something else — in this case, an evil West. The other way of deflecting is to somehow minimize the problem of Islam and all Muslims so that it’s no longer about Muslims, but some permutation of the TMOE (Tiny Minority of Extremists — with the “Tiny” magnified just enough to make the person feel oh so tough and no-nonsense and robust (it also helps, in this regard, to salt & pepper one’s rhetoric with lots of chest-thumping braggadocio, as Phillip Jihadski does), but still small enough to have spared himself from the nagging resides of a PC MC conscience still exerting themselves in his psyche). Thus the Counter-Jihad for the most part, it seems, reflects a split between (ultimately) anti-Western Conspiracy Theorists, on the one hand, and asymptotic Softies on the other hand.
voegelinian says
“colluding with (if not manufcating) the problem of Islam. ” = colluding with (if not manufacturing) the problem of Islam.
voegelinian says
“to have spared himself from the nagging resides of a PC MC conscience ” = to have spared himself from the nagging residues of a PC MC conscience
Joseph2 says
[I apologize if this comment appears more than once. This comments section takes forever actually to post a comment.]
This poor dhimmi Coptic family just wanted to organize a quisling little protest and still “…village elders counseled against it…”.
These people [the Copts] are getting exactly what their weakness deserves. And the fact that they are dhimmis in their own ancestral land is their own fault. If someone abducted my daughter and I knew who it was, I would gather the appropriate weapons and proceed to wipe out their entire bloodline. Any other attitude towards this kind of evil breeds the mentality that says “Oh, if we protest they might make life even worse for us”.
For God’s sake, man, they abducted your daughter. What more does it take?
No, Sir. Either the culprits are all dead and I have my daughter back in my arms or I am dead trying to make that happen. And everyone (including the effeminate ‘village elders’) either joins me and dies in the fight or they deserve their shame as weak dhimmis. Period. Aut Vincere Aut Mori. That’s Latin for Yippee Kayay Motherf—er.
And if more people in the Middle East had this [frankly American] attitude, instead of the cowardly, dhimmi attitude of these village elders, maybe Islam would have been snuffed out centuries ago, never to return. Don’t forget: many thousands of Christian apostates are the ancestors of these Muslims abducting Christians in Egypt today. Sure: they stopped fighting, they accepted their dhimmi status; then that became too burdensome for them, so they converted to Islam. And so Islam grew and continued to spread. First by the financial and material support of the dhimmis, then by their conversion. And voila Egypt became an overwhelmingly Muslim country.
But if these dhimmi people had had the balls to stand up to the Muslims from the very beginning (and fight to the death rather than accept dhimmi status) Islam may never have taken over. It is the attitude of the dhimmi to accept their humiliated status that led to Islam spreading at the rate it did historically. What happened to “death before dishonor”? That is precisely the point: these people have no honor, and so their dhimmi status is their own fault. There are some things worth fighting and dying for. And the abduction of a young girl by your enemy is definitely one of those things. But the point is: it takes honor to understand that.
These people, like their [dhimmi/apostate] ancestors, are weak. Period. And that’s why the Muslim boogeyman is still abducting their women. Whether it was Charles Martel in France, Jan Sobieski in Austria, or the Spaniards of the Reconquista, the Europeans at least fought back the Muslim onslaught and defended their lands to the death. That is honorable.
Replies to possible objections:
1. The “brave” Europeans are weak and selling out as dhimmis to the Muslims today. True. No argument from me on that point. But that doesn’t change the fact that their ancestors were brave and honorable and did the right thing.
2. The Copts [and, for that matter, the Berbers] of Northern Africa did in fact fight the Muslims; it is just that they lost the fight. I would say that if it were the case that every able bodied man and woman died in battle and only the young children were taken as captives and forcibly converted, then that would be understandable. But that is not what happened historically. Historically, as the battles waned and defeat was nearly certain, many men and women surrendered and agreed to live as subjected people. To save their lives, they sold their honor. And that is where their dishonor began. Every able bodied adult, male or female, should have fought these Muslim devils to the death and never have accepted to live as dhimmis under them.
3. You’re just a “keyboard cowboy” and only saying these things because you have never had to make such brave decisions. Answer: on the one hand, you may be right; I certainly have never been in such an overwhelming situation. But, on the other hand, you do not know me personally, so how could you say such a thing with conviction? I have in fact, in the line of duty, acted bravely before in life and death situations and feel quite confident that I would be willing to give up my life in battle against such a diabolical enemy. And I pray the Lord God to give me such strength as David. So, you never know. But more importantly, whether I personally would be a dhimmi or a hero is immaterial. The question is whether this strategy of fighting to the death would have been a better course historically than accepting dhimmi status. In other words: ad hominem fallacy: even if I am a dhimmi coward, the strategy of never submitting could still have been the better course historically.
Darren says
It’s a terrible situation, I wish we could help the Coptic Christians somehow. Regardless of past history, and the actions of this man whether you think him a coward or not, these people despite risking death or worse, still have the stones to stay true to their beliefs. I’m not even Christian, but to me these people are still courageous. Maybe back in the day they could have done what you said, but now they are so outnumbered and out gunned they don’t stand a chance. I agree if someone captured a family member of mine, I’d do what Danzel Washington did in the movie Man on Fire, but not all people are programmed that way. He also has other family members. The moral of the story is we should be helping people like the Coptic Christians, not arming al qaeda and the al nursa front in Syria.
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
Yes, of course, Obama is a devil and proves it by his open support for the Muslim Brotherhood and groups like the so-called “moderate rebels” in Syria (FSA). That goes without saying. And you’re right that we should be doing more to help these poor Christians being slaughtered in the Middle East.
It is not boasting if no one knows who you are in reality, so here goes. As the father of my [Catholic] family, I make sure that we are supporting these Christians both spiritually and financially (the only ways we can, in point of fact). Everyday, we pray the Holy Rosary in our house and attend Holy Mass for the persecuted Christians of the Middle East. As well, we donate three hundred dollars a month to Rescue Christians dot org, a group that rescues persecuted Christians in the Middle East, especially right now in Pakistan, Iraq, and Syria.
The prayer we say before the Rosary (and at daily Mass) is: “Lord God, please bless and protect all the Christians and Jews, especially Catholics, the Yazidis and all persons of good will, in the Middle East, Asia, North Africa, and Europe, who are being persecuted by Islam, persecuted by Muslims. Lord God, have mercy on them and forgive them their sins. Strengthen their faith and their hope. Give them courage and comfort them in their sorrow. When they die, let them die in the state of grace and go to heaven. And, above all, Lord, bring an end to this horrible persecution. Bring an end to Islamic State. Bring an end to Islam”.
So, yes, I agree: we should pray fervently every day for these poor persecuted people of the Middle East and North Africa. And we should support [verified] groups who are actually giving material aid and comfort to them on the ground and helping them escape, just as Oskar Schindler did in WWII. The problem is, most Americans and most Westerners in general really couldn’t care less about these poor people being persecuted and killed. Instead, they sit with full bellies in their comfortable homes watching another episode of American Idol or American Family.
Think about it, in just the United States, with a population of roughly 330 million people. If just ONE HALF OF ONE PERCENT of the U.S. population gave just ONE DOLLAR per month to support the persecuted Christians in the Middle East, that would be 1,650,000.00 dollars going every month to help these poor people. Almost 20 Million Dollars a year. That would buy a lot of food and water and blankets and medicine, dontcha think?
And yet groups like Rescue Christians, who risk their lives to help these persecuted Christians, have to operate on a shoestring budget. Why? Because most people suck. Frankly, most people don’t give a rat’s ass about anyone other than themselves. And they don’t inform themselves and they don’t give to worthy groups helping these poor persecuted peoples. And, so, according to Matthew 25, they can all go to hell.
Again: if just ONE HALF of ONE PERCENT of our population gave just ONE DOLLAR per month, that would equal almost 20 MILLION DOLLARS a year in aid to these poor persecuted peoples. And that’s just the U.S. population. Instead, these people are starving and hunted down and slaughtered like wild animals and the world just yawns and turns their tv channel. It is truly disgusting, I say.
So, yes, Obama is a devil. No argument there. And yes, we should all do what we can to help the poor persecuted peoples of the Middle East, both spiritually and financially. Problem is: most people in the U.S. and the West in general just don’t give a damn. They’re too ignorant and/or selfish to give even a dollar a month to help the cause. And that is a sad testimony indeed to the state of the human race in these times. Dontcha think?
Peggy says
I totally agree with you. If anyone dared to fight back the rest of them would be slaughtered immediately. These men have to think of the rest of their family too.
Turks did the same thing to the Serbs during Ottoman occupation that lasted 500 years. They took male children away and brought them up, put them in their army and sent them to fight their own people.
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
You reason thus:
“If we fight back, they will kill us. So let’s let them abduct and rape our women at random so that there will be “peace”.”
Sadly, you are another dhimmi at heart. Just think about how absurd that reasoning is, to let your enemy abduct and rape your women without consequence. But of course for you, a genuine dhimmi, it makes perfect sense. So I don’t expect you to understand.
gravenimage says
Joseph2 wrote:
[I apologize if this comment appears more than once. This comments section takes forever actually to post a comment.]
These people [the Copts] are getting exactly what their weakness deserves…
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Posting this vicious tripe the first time just wasn’t enough for this keyboard warrior. *Ugh*.
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
You can’t address my substantive points, so you resort to name-calling and put downs. I may call you a dumbass, but I also tell you precisely why you are being a dumbass. Big difference. Moreover, it is a demonstrable fact that sometimes this Comments section is very slow to post replies. No fault of mine in that. And that’s why I began with “apologies”. It wasn’t me reposting it; it was the Comments section not functioning properly. Dumbass. Btw, your buddy Jihadski informs me that you are in fact a woman. Well, at least it all makes sense now.
Champ says
PJ wrote:
What this impostor has just shown us is blatant Mohammedist Misogyny.
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Good catch, PJ! …yes, I noticed the same ugly remarks from “Joseph, Son of Misogynist”.
gravenimage says
The repellent “Joseph, Son of Mattathias” wrote:
Btw, your buddy Jihadski informs me that you are in fact a woman. Well, at least it all makes sense now.
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It seems you hold the same sort of contempt for women that this Mohammedan kidnapper does. Deeply disturbing. By the way, the stalwart Champ is a woman, as well—so you can shower scorn on her, as well.
You might be interested in knowing that Robert Spencer—who runs Jihad Watch—regularly partners with staunch Anti-Jihadist Pamela Geller. Now you can express your contempt for this brave man, as well.
Really, why are you posting here at all?
Peggy says
Joseph values life as much as the Muslims do, ready to get killed for no purpose at all.
How dare he blame the victims and call them cowards. How insane of him to think that the non Muslims can do anything to change things over there. They probably could if we gave them a helping hand instead of helping the monsters.
What makes me angry is that he is most likely the biggest coward and would convert to save his miserable life while calling everyone else around him cowards.
He is so stupid that he doesn’t even get how brave these poor people are by just keeping their religion. He is not fit to kiss their behinds.
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
As I said to you above:
Sadly, you are another dhimmi at heart. Just think about how absurd that reasoning is, to let your enemy abduct and rape your women without consequence. But of course for you, a genuine dhimmi, it makes perfect sense. So I don’t expect you to understand.
At least I SAY I would not submit. You openly admit that you would, just to save your miserable skin for another day of life. And that is the point: you are a dhimmi, ready and willing to submit to Islam, just like the ancestors of these Coptic Christians did a thousand years ago. Disgusting.
voegelinian says
“Joseph, Son of Mattathias” is correct that there remains a lot of dhimmi reflexes amongst many (if not most) Christians in Muslim lands. And he’s right that Phillip Jihadski is “a few cards short of a full deck”. But “Joseph, Son of Mattathias” is grievously wrong about everything else.
USMAN says
Hmmmm! I really love this Joseph. You’ve really made my day.
Angemon says
No need to worry. Any moment now Michelle Obama will pose with a sign saying #bringbackourgirl.
Any minute now…
Peggy says
If she pulls that stunt again I think I will vomit.
The Doctor says
I doubt that will happen. The kidnapped girl is not black. Mrs. Obama only seems to care about black people.
More Ham Ed says
Oh-bummer is too busy on the back-nine thinking about what’s for dinner and which hawaii resort he’s going to next.
gravenimage says
Egypt: Underage Coptic girl abducted, Muslim neighbor suspected
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Horrifying—this poor girl. Her poor family. Almost certainly, this girl will be raped, and then likely “married” to her rapist. This happens not just in Egypt but all over the Muslim world to Infidel girls
The usual thing is for the abductors to threaten the girl with the murder of her whole family if she does not comply.
Even if the authorities *do* follow up on this—a rarity—what usually happens is that they now claim she is married, and cannot be returned to her Infidel family.
In one of the only cases where police did return a woman—the wife of a Coptic priest—to her family not long ago, the rage among Muslims has been enormous, because they falsely claimed that since she had been forced to convert that that meant she was a “Muslim” forced to live with Christians—as though they had abducted her!
The first group of Copts beheaded in Libya recently—twenty-one of them—were murdered for this reason.
Her family and their community have every reason to be terrified as well as heart-broken.
Peggy says
None of this is going to sink in with some people. They still want the poor Christians to fight with knives and stones against sophisticated weapons, while I could bet my life they themselves would convert in order to save their lives. I am not judging them for that but I am judging them for condemning others for a lot more. These Christians are very brave because just to hold onto your faith in that Hell hole is enormeously brave.
Peggy says
It seems that I did not make myself clear enough here. When I said some people I mean people like that Joseph son of….guy not you or anyone else who is defending the Christians there.
As you can see I copped it again.
Peggy says
Philip Jihadski says
May 13, 2015 at 12:29 am
Peggy the Impostor:
“What’s got your goat? Ooops sorry I meant who..”
Who are you replying to? Me, or someone else?
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I was replying to that Joseph son of M..character.
Except for this Joseph guys we all hate Muslims and their slimy pedophile “prophet” Mohammed so let’s not fight. We can have different opinion on minor things and expres ourselves differently but we are all on the same side.
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
Peggy, you are not too bright, are you? No one hates Muslims or Islam more than me, I can promise you that. Muhammad was a devil and an Antichrist and a false prophet. The Koran is a fraud made up by Satan himself (Allah) and can only lead souls to hell. And Islam is the false religion of Antichrist which Christ will destroy in the End Times at the Battle of Armageddon. I have no problem saying any of that. And no one wants Islam to be wiped out more than I do.
My point was simply that Islam could have been stopped much earlier if the peoples of the Middle East had fought to the death against it, rather than accepting to live as dhimmis and/or converting to Islam outright. A point which is, by the way, fairly non-controversial for anyone with a half a brain, which I suspect you and Jihadski and Gravenimage do not have.
The point is precisely that we should NOT become dhimmis because Islam is so very evil. We should fight it to the death and never submit to it. How was that hard for you to comprehend, dumbass?
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
@Jihadski:
I am not a Mozlem. I despise Islam. I despise Mohammed, who is not a prophet. I spit on the Koran.
But I still think you’re a paranoid fuckstick asshole. So stop replying to my posts.
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
@Joseph:
Wow, this Jihadski guy is a real fucking nutcase, huh? He thinks you and I are the same person. What a paranoid freak. I’m done with this JW Comments section. You will never see me on here again. Too stupid and paranoid for my taste. Earlier, just so you know what happened, I tried to post as “Joseph, Son of Mattathias”, but for some reason the comment would not appear, even after an hour of waiting. So I quickly created “Joseph2” just to see if the problem was with my username or something. Then, of course, a short time later both comments appeared, with different usernames. Same exact comment, as you can see above, just different usernames. Didn’t think that was too tricky for people to figure out. Anyway, you know you are not me and I know I am not you. Jihadski seems to be a few cards short of a full deck. And I don’t have time to deal with bullshit like this. Peace.
Champ says
“Joseph, Son of Misogynist” wrote:
I’m done with this JW Comments section. You will never see me on here again.
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GOOD! No one here cares to read anymore of your misogynistic garbage.
Good riddance to bad rubbish, I always say …
Joseph, Son of Mattathias says
@Champ:
And little Champ chimes in at the last minute to say his two little words. What a little faggot you are, Champ. I write several thousand words of substantive argument about dhimmis and Islam. About that you had nothing to say. Probably because you don’t have half the brain it would take to do so. But then, when your pussy ass knows I am leaving, you summon the pussy courage to say your two words. What a sorry ass pussy. I will not miss this dumpster fire of a comments section. Champ, you have the timid little soul of a mole and you are ready and willing to submit to Islam. Thankfully, this great country has better men than you in it.
Champ says
Thought you were leaving …
So, you aren’t a man of your word, along with being a hater of women.
GET. LOST.
Champ says
“I write several thousand words of substantive argument about dhimmis and Islam.”
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! …now that’s hilaaaaarious!!!!
Mirren10 says
”And little Champ chimes in at the last minute to say his two little words. What a little faggot you are, Champ.’
Champ happens to be a woman, and a very courageous, and humane woman, at that. Whereas you are just a loud mouthed, blustering bully.
Graven is also a woman, and possesses the exact same qualities.
You also appear to think being a ‘faggot’ means being necessarily a coward. What rubbish. Many gay men and women possess admirable qualities, courage amongst them. Are you, perchance, worried about your own sexuality ?
*Your* qualities ? Not so much. Go away, bully boy.
Champ says
Thank you, Mirren10!! I appreciate your kind words, my friend! xo 🙂
Joseph says
@ grvenimage
THANK YOU for your post on May 13, 2015 at 12:59 pm telling me that you were not confusing me with
“Joseph2″ and “Joseph, Son of Mattathias”
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT
gravenimage says
Hi, Joseph. I really doubt that you will be the one who has to change his name, since “Joseph, Son of Mattathias” (“Joseph2”) appears to have decamped. I’ll be looking for your posts.
Mirren10 says
“Joseph, Son of Mattathias” (“Joseph2″) appears to have decamped.”
Yep. *Very* few of them manage to stay the course. 🙂
Joseph says
@ gravenimage & Mirren10
Sure he is gone for a while but I know for a fact he will be back and to be perfectly honest…..I don’t want to go thru something like this again. If in the future I mess up I will take my lumps and change my thoughts, but that will be deserved and I know that the correction received is out of kindness, preventing me from a bigger mistake.
gravenimage says
Actually, Joseph, he felt like a “drive by” poster to me—someone who shows up, stirs up a lot of nastiness, and then disappears. Of course, it is not impossible that he will be back, but I rather doubt it.
Why don’t you continue to post as Joseph, and only consider a name change if this creep turns out—God forbid!—to become a regular troll here?
Linda Rivera says
WHEREVER THERE ARE MUSLIMS, NON-MUSLIM WOMEN AND GIRLS WILL NEVER BE SAFE.
And it is why it is a great sin against Almighty God and a huge Crime Against Humanity to import any Muslims into our civilised nations.
Mothers weep. Fathers weep. Grandparents, siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles. Friends weep.
The sex-slave victims weep.
Dear God, Please get the Christian Copt girl back and the many thousands of non-Muslim girls captured for sex slaves by Muslim savages.
Peggy says
Gravenimage said:
For a kid born in early 1960s Hawai’i—a place with virtually no Muslims—the constant and close contact he had with Muslims is strikingly apparent. This is one of the things that struck me most reading the disturbing “Dreams from my Father”.
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Just goes to show that you can take a man out of Islam but you can’t take Islam out of a man.
Do you think that Americans are silly enough to elect him twice or there was some funny business going on? I am from Australia so I am not that familiar with American electoral process.
particolor says
Well that’s easy !! “No Mun No Fun !!” American Politics !! Coming to a Country near You ! 🙂
gravenimage says
Peggy wrote:
Do you think that Americans are silly enough to elect him twice or there was some funny business going on? I am from Australia so I am not that familiar with American electoral process.
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I live right in a bluest-of-blue state—in California, in the San Francisco Bay Area. A lot of my friends and neighbors voted for Obama. Many of them still have Obama bumper stickers on their cars, both from 2012 *and* 2008.
Most of these are decent and well-educated people. The problem is that for all too many of them the threat of Islam isn’t even on their radar—even so many years after 9/11. They fell for Obama’s “hope and change” rhetoric and are patting themselves on the back for having been “enlightened” enough to have elected America’s first “multicultural” president. All too many pay almost no attention to his actual policies.
Australia is not nearly as “politically correct” as many parts of the West, but this phenomenon is hardly unknown there. Imagine such “political correctness” on steroids, and this explains how otherwise well-meaning and intelligent people (as well as a lot of more garden-variety idiots just looking for government handouts) could have elected such an anti-Western and dangerous man, and moreover have done it twice.
particolor says
You don’t need a State Governor.. You need Paladin !! 🙂
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“Maybe we do need to weed out covert Muslims but PJ is not the person to do it. He gets it wrong all the time.”
Huh, are you saying that, for example, Semeru/Semeu or Mazo aren’t muslim trolls?
Peggy says
No, I am not saying that and I am not familiar with their posts to judge but he certainly gets it wrong each time he accuses me of being a Muslim and don’t take this as a defence of Justin but accuses him of being one too when it’s very clear we hate Islam. I definitely do and it looks clear to me that he does as well.
He has attacked Earnie too and demands that we PROVE to him by reciting exactly what he wants us to or he will continue to call us that.
Now do you really think that someone like that should be doint it?
Angemon says
Peggy posted:
“No, I am not saying that and I am not familiar with their posts to judge”
Semeru was a more literate version of Brian Hoff. Mazo was a foulmouthed bag of frustrations with a chip on his shoulder, a fascination with homosexuality, and a hair trigger. Think of Justin but with “you f#&%ing a$$#&$#s, that has nothing to do with islam, that’s the f#%&ng result of f#($/g Crusader America and Australia supporting a f#$%&/) secular dictator. You f%&/wads like secularism, don’t you, you f#&%ing fa****s?” rather than “yes, islam is bad, but the main problem, the REAL problem is not islam but the secular American government who grants rights to homosexuals”.
It’s funny to notice that Justin showed up at the time Mazo and Semeru disappeared. And Justin and Mazo have the same arguments, although differently worded. TBH, Justin is what Mazo would sound like without the potty-mouth and hair trigger – drawing discussion away from islam and muslims and shifting blames of atrocities committed by muslims to to America and the West, all while having a love-hare relationship with homosexuality.
And, of course, and you probably don’t know about this, shortly after showing up, Justin say that the people needed “a holy dictator that people need to fear, respect and revere”. Now, which religion describes God in that fashion?
A solid case can be made for Justin being a provocateur agent. And while I don’t think that’s the case with you, I can see why someone might think that if you routinely defend Justin. Even though you’re not aware of what I point out above, other people are, and they take that into consideration.
Also, Justin’s arguments are flawed at their inception. Replace the American government with a theocracy that persecutes homosexuals and religious minorities (and atheists). You’ll still have problems with islam. America would still be the “Great Satan”, and Israel “the little Satan”. Muslim clerics would still be clamoring to conquer Rome. Keep the secular American government that grants equal rights to religious minorities (and atheists) and homosexuals, remove islam out of the equation and presto, no more jihad attacks. Honor killings drop 91% worldwide
Focusing discussion away from islam when discussing, for example, the failed Garland attack, is exactly the crap organizations like CAIR peddle in. And yes, both Bush and Obama have made disastrous decisions regarding the Middle East. Decisions which very likely originated from misunderstanding islam. But I don’t see how allowing homosexuals to marry in the US could have influenced them.
Peggy says
Ernie says
May 13, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Well philip , exactly what I expected from you : you are quick in suspecting , accusing me . Your language (often) is vulgar , included insinuations , and sometimes even threats . But when you are wrong , you’ll not admit it , and you certainly don’t apologize . Not nice of you Philip , not nice at all .
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Ernie, I hope you know that you don’t have to prove anything to anyone least of all anyone attacking you with false accusations and bad language.
I understand the frustration of having people attack brutaly this way and then get others to join in as well but I am done with all that and I will let their vile posts tell who they are. Anyone who can defend a person so nasty cannot be any better.
I wish you good health and please keep contributing regardless of who wants to make it hard for you.
Ernie says
Dear Peggy , thank you very much for your kind words . We don’t always agree , but I know you are a true Christian , and that you are a good human being , you have a lot of love ( and wisdom)in your heart . And yes , your words here are very important for me . You , as Joseph , Mirren10 and Gravenimage comfort me , and that helps a lot . The Lord Our G-d sends His Love through you to me , so : Thank you Lord , thank you Joseph , thank you Mirren10 , thank you Gravenimage and thank you Peggy ! I feel so blessed ! May the Lord bless and keep you !
Peggy says
Thank you for that wonderful sentiment. We don’t always have to agree but it is important that we are on the same side. We need to fight the enemy not each other.
Ernie says
Right Peggy !
Joseph says
@ Ernie
I am the one that is blessed to know you.
You are in my prayers till there is no more breath in my lungs.