The Vatican daily L’Osservatore Romano ran a piece with the subtitle, “Shooting in Texas at an exhibition of blasphemous cartoons.”
Blasphemous? They’re blasphemous according to Islamic law, because Islam asserts that Muhammad is a prophet. So is the Vatican now submitting to Islamic law? Merriam-Webster defines “blasphemy” as “great disrespect shown to God or to something holy.” So does the Vatican now think Muhammad is holy? Has L’Osservatore Romano converted to Islam? Is Muhammad now considered a prophet by the Catholic Church, like Isaiah or Jeremiah or Ezekiel? Will he get a feast day on the Roman Catholic calendar?
They could have used any other word — offensive, tasteless, odious, whatever. But using the word “blasphemous” sends a hugely misleading message.
Meanwhile, here is an excellent evisceration of the idea that L’Osservatore Romano also puts forward — that our free speech event was needlessly provocative, throwing gasoline on the fire: “Do I Have to Draw You a Picture? The Cartoon Wars Come to America,” by William Kilpatrick, Catholic World Report, May 6, 2015:
…That brings us back to the L’Osservatore Romano article. Its authors decry provocation—“wanting to throw gasoline on the fire”—but have they paused to consider that many Catholic beliefs and practices are also provocative to Muslims? In Saudi Arabia, Bibles and rosaries are considered provocative and no churches are allowed. In some Muslim countries, ringing church bells is considered provocative. In other places it is provocative to rebuild a church that is falling down—so provocative that Christians have lost their lives for the offense. In still other Muslim areas it is considered provocative if a Christian won’t pay the jizya tax, and he can be killed in consequence. In some parts of the Muslim world, simply being a Christian is sufficient provocation for murder.
A large part of the “provocative intent” of the Garland exhibit is to prevent such things from ever happening here. It’s a reminder that the sharia ban on blasphemy is meant to apply not just in Iran and Arabia, but everywhere. Everyone is expected to submit. The event and its aftermath also serves to remind us that it’s not a good idea to let the most violent among us determine the limits of free speech. If the Muhammad Art Exhibit is dismissed as incendiary and needlessly provocative, it means that Muslim extremists get to call the shots about what is and is not a permissible form of expression in America. Today it will be Muhammad cartoons that offend. And tomorrow? Well, it could be anything, because Muslim radicals seem to have an unlimited capacity for being offended. It could even be church bells or rosaries.
Some will say that Geller and Spencer are needlessly stirring up trouble. In reality, they are saving us from much greater trouble down the road by flushing out the danger we face while there is still time to face it down. If Americans don’t pay attention to wake-up calls of the drive-by-jihadist variety, they will wake up someday to find that the time for defending their freedoms has already passed.
Jay Airahs says
Muhammad labeled Christians as blasphemers.
Muhammad pretended an angel gave him revelations to rape sex slaves.
Don McKellar says
“Muhammad pretended an angel gave him revelations to rape sex slaves.”
You would think that just that inescapable fact alone would result in a complete end to Islam being respected by the left-fascists. But that would mean they’d actually have to educate themselves and be intellectually honest for the first time in their lives.
Saleem Smith says
Hello Jay,
Yes, Muhammad labeled Christians as blasphemers, and the Quran gives Muslims permission to rape sex slaves.
And by-way of Muhammad’s example, Muslims are even permitted to partake in pedophilia, as Mohammed is considered the model man of Islam that all Muslims should strive to emulate.
Qur’an, 33:21
There is a good example in God’s apostle for those of you who look to God and the Last Day and remember God always.
Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, Book 62, No. 88
Narrated Ursa:
The prophet wrote the [marriage contract] with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e.’ til his death).
Furthermore, Islamic theology teaches that Hindus, African animists, Native American Indians, etc. are not only blasphemers, but also idolaters and pagans, and therefore deserving of little more than death or enslavement.
As Jihad Watch commentator RonaldB mentions below, the problem the West faces is Islamic canon. Meaning the writings considered by Muslims to be Islam’s canonical texts – namely the Quran, hadiths and Muhammad’s sira.
We ex-Muslims know that the Quran is the most evil piece of fiction still in print today.
>>>>>
THE QURANIC SANCTION OF SLAVERY
The institution of slavery in Islam was formalized in the following Quranic verse, in which Allah distinguishes free human beings or masters, who exercise justice and righteousness, from the dumb, useless and burdensome ones, the slaves:
Quran 16:76 Allah sets forth (another) Parable of two men: one of them dumb, with no power of any sort; a wearisome burden is he to his master; whichever way he directs him, he brings no good: is such a man equal with one who commands Justice, and is on a Straight Way?
Allah warns the believers against taking the slaves as equal partner in status and in sharing their wealth, lest they have to fear them as anyone else:
Quran 30:28 …do ye have partners among those whom your right hands possess (i.e., slaves, captives) to share as equals in the wealth We have bestowed on you? Do ye fear them as ye fear each other?
Allah recognizes some human beings, namely the masters, as more blessed by Himself than the less favored slaves as part of His divine plan. He warns Muslims against sharing His gifts to them equally with their slaves. Those who would take slaves as equal, warns Allah, would deny Him:
Quran 16:71 Allah has bestowed His gifts of sustenance more freely on some of you than on others: those more favoured are not going to throw back their gifts to those whom their right hands possess, so as to be equal in that respect. Will they then deny the favours of Allah?
Allah does not only sanction the institution of slavery, He also gave divine blessing to masters (Muslim men only can own slaves) to have sex with the female slaves:
Quran 70:29–30 And those who guard their private parts, Except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess—for these surely are not to be blamed
Quran 23:5–6 And who guard their private parts, except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable
Therefore, if there are women amongst the captives or slaves, Muslims are divinely sanctioned to have sex with them as they do with their wives. This verdict of Allah founded the institution of sex-slavery or slave-concubinage in Islam, which was widespread in the pre-colonial Muslim world and continued well into the mid-twentieth century. As far as legal marriage is concerned, there is a limitation of four wives for a man at one time [Quran 4:3], but no such limitation on the number of sex-slaves.
Allah also gave a divine sanction to Muslims for acquiring female slaves for sexual engagement by waging wars against the infidels:
Quran 33:50 O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war…
Muslims can engage in sex with the captured slave women even if they are married, but not with the married free Muslim women:
Quran 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess…
There are other verses in the Quran that talks approvingly of slaves and capturing them in wars. Thus, according to the divine commands of the Islamic God as enshrined in the holy Quran, Muslims are allowed to keep slaves. They can amass slaves by waging wars, have sex with the female slaves, and of course, use them as they wish. For Muslims, having sex with female slaves is as legal as having sex with their married wives. Slavery appears to be one of the most desired divine privileges in Islam, since Allah took the pain of reminding Muslims about this divine right time and again in so many verses.
ninetyninepct says
Why are muslims so hung up on using their right hand? We ALL know what they regularly do with their “right hands”.
What a sick cult, thinking of nothing else but sex and killing. Seems like if they can’t kill someone they want to fk them and when they are finished fkng them they want to kill them.
Wellington says
Hello, Saleem. I hope you’re doing well.
I have a question for you. Is it the case that Muslims while waging jihad can rape non-Muslim women as a way of preventing such women from going to Heaven (Paradise, Muslim afterlife—-call it what you will)?
Wellington says
Should anyone else care to respond to my query to Saleem Smith, please feel free to do so.
Jay Airahs says
Hello Saleem,
Thanks for the excellent Quran references.
Every Muslim should come to know that their book makes a mockery of human decency.
Shane says
This is a huge disappointment from the Catholic church! We need Christian leaders with guts who will state that “Muhammad was not a prophet of God.” WE can destroy Islam through education, not violence.
Jay Smith is a brilliant Islamic scholar on the level of Robert Spencer. Here are two of his most important videos, where he destroys the idea that Muhammad was a prophet of God.
Muhammad Did Not Create Islam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9lIuUjPs0
The truth about Muhammad the Prophet of Islam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj2wCrGw1EY
John Gehrke says
Let’s hope some goof ‘spell check’ or horrid intern proofreading is to blame
Jovial Joe says
No, it’s genuine Catholic appeasement. The church has been found seriously wanting on the fundamental issue of our age – the jihadist threat to civilisation. Thank god for all the atheists standing up for truth and freedom, and here’s one of the best of the current crop nailing it to the theofascists: http://youtu.be/q6ZBz-V9aGE
Richie says
I find the Islamic genocide of Christians to be more offensive than cartoons that offend Muslims . Why isn’t the Pope focusing on that?
Georg says
A combination of Stockholm Syndrome (how fitting and punnish now) and empathy derived from blasphemy directed at him/the Catholic establishment. The simple fact is that drawing Muhammad is “blasphemous”, but should we care? I don’t like Muhammad. I don’t like Islam. I find both to be offensive and will live my life accordingly, and only IS, almost Ed Miliband, can stop me. Otherwise, I’ll be blaspheming from the hilltop and enjoying it to my toes.
Mac-101 says
It sure looks like every day the Main Stream Protestants and Catholics are workin at unitin to create the universal Satanic Religion for da Beast’s 42 month rule. What more appropriate of an Anti-Religion than Islam. 180* opposite ALL that is good or moral!
Ernie says
That’s right Mac ,the SATANIC New World Order : One World , One Leader , One Religion , One Currency . Thank you Mac ( as always ) , for showing the big picture here .
Pork-Lover says
This crap is enough to turn anyone atheist.
CogitoErgoSum says
Mac, although the number of houris who have the ability to renew their virginity is mentioned in some of the hadiths, I can not find any hadiths giving a specific number of servant boys to be provided but, as you say, they will be comely as young virgin pearls. Why servant boys would be described this way is up to a person’s imagination, I suppose …. as is the exact number of servant boys. I did find mention that overall, 80,000 servants will be provided and each man who enters Paradise will have the appetite and sexual stamina of 100 men. The number 28 seems reasonable to me. Also, the numbers 72 and 28 add up to 100. Of course, I could be wrong and since Muhammad was exempt from rules pertaining to the ordinary man, St. Muhammad would be too, and he should be able to get whatever number of boys he desires. It is heaven after all. Whatever makes you happy is there for you…. especially if your were a “holy” man.
ruth says
Isn’t the Catholic church smart enough to know that every time they say Jesus is Son of God they are committing Islam’s unforgivable blasphemy..Punishable by death….They better dang well wise up quickly. and quit trying to pacify the devil…..Satan’s Islam need exposed not condoned..
Brian Hoff says
We are told not to do anything about christian saying Jrsus is the son of God, we are to wait the Day of Judgement.
Medina says
LIAR. “Al’lah hath no need of a son…” The Son of God was given for humanity, not the moon god. Churches, destroyed, icons smashed, Christians murdered or taken as slaves, just like the good ol’ days of the CalipaHATE.
Muslims like you deny Christian beliefs and label as blasphemy. The Day of Judgment will not be something for Muslims to anticipate, indeed.
sencit says
Brain Off,
Yeshua IS the Son of the living God and the Day of Judgement will be a terrible time for muslims. There will be nowhere to hide from His Presence. The trees and the rocks will not be calling out to you, although they may well fall on you.
You will be falling at the feet of a Jew, believe it or not!
Livid Pork Lover says
Brian Hoff,
Is that taqiya or kitman you and your brother Jack are using?
Angemon says
Brian Hoff posted:
“We are told not to do anything about christian saying Jrsus is the son of God, we are to wait the Day of Judgement.”
Well, Brian Hoff is really a “special” case – a muslim that goes against what the quran says.
quran 9:29:
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture (meaning Jews and Christians) – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”
Now, this contradicted what muhammad said previously about Jews and Christians having a special position since they were previously given revelations from the same God muhammad alleged to be getting his revelations from. What was his explanation for that? Cue in quran 9:30:
quran 9:30
“The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah “; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah .” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?”
So the quran tells muslims to go out and attack christians until they convert to islam, agree to pay the jizyah or they die but Brian here assures us that muslims “are told not to do anything about christian saying Jrsus is the son of God, we are to wait the Day of Judgement”.
Phew! I’m sure Christians feel relieved already, having such an expert on the field stating such an undeniable “fact”.
For the sake of completeness: according to islam, in the judgment day Jesus will return, break all the crosses, kill all the pigs and convert everyone to islam. So basically what Brian is saying is that there’s no need for muslims to forcibly convert christians to islam (although there is because the quran mandates that) because Jesus will return and forcibly convert christians to islam.
Angemon says
Also, notice that Brian explicitly says that they’re not supposed to do anything to Christians, and to Christians only. Seems like other religions are fair game to him.
And, of course, he doesn’t say what “do anything about” is. Is it engaging them in open debate in the battlefield of ideas? Sounds like something he should be doing, right? Is it take up arms and shoot them, a la the losers in Garland? I don’t know, Brian doesn’t go into detail. All e tells us is that they’re not supposed to do “something” to Christians – but other religions are seemingly halal.
Godwin says
The pope n the Catholic Church are both hopeless n useless. They has no bloody back bones to stand up for the truth nor to protect the Christians in Muzzy world.
mortimer says
DEFIANCE, not provocation.
There is a lack of intellectual and moral rigor at the Osservatore Romano.
Defiance is the intention testing of an unjust or immoral law.
Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer want Muslims and Westerners to look at unjust, misogynistic and opportunistic Sharia law and condemn it. It is a man-made law from the medieval ages that is incapable of reform, so it must be condemned as harmful and scrapped. Period.
Edward says
“It is a man-made law from the medieval ages that is incapable of reform, so it must be condemned as harmful and scrapped. Period”
Yes, this man-made law is infectious……for it seems that it has infected the Shepard of the Universal Church. For this man who interprets God’s laws should excuse himself from issuing any more edicts till he get his mindset straighten out. For his Armor of God has a chink that allows his errant wisdom to make mistakes….at our expense. Let us pray for Pope Francis’ recovery….
Pork Rind Addict says
“There is a lack of intellectual and moral rigor at the Osservatore Romano.”
That’s the understatement of the year!
Rita says
@ “Pork Rind Addict
Just wanted to let you know I really like your name hehehe. A friend had some advice as to how stemming the invasion of Mosques: he suggested to copy the Austrians who put Pork Rinds on the door handles and he called it: “porking a mosque” 😉
Rita says
What do you expect from a (at best dhimmy) Pope whose first public exhibtionist media act was to kiss the feet of a Muslima, and who pimped out the Vatican to a “high-ranking” Muslim Imam so that he could screech his “prayers” out loud which ask for the “victory over the enemy”?
http://littlenotesfromparis.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/pope-snogs-young-muslimas-feet.html
Are Obama and Pope Francis related? Or just singing from the sama koranic sheet?
http://littlenotesfromparis.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/israel-does-work-of-vatican.html
Bezelel says
To recognize islam as a religion is blasphemy.
vlparker says
These people are just plain stupid.
Champ says
Has Vatican newspaper converted to Islam?
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LOL!!!
RonaldB says
It’s a misconception that the primary value of the cartoon exhibition was that it pushed the limits of acceptable speech, and thus illustrated that unpopular speech is what needs protection.
In point of fact, the speech and concepts displayed at the exhibit were intrinsically pathbreaking. That is, the exhibition brought into the open a frank discussion of Islam and the characteristics of Muhammad as described by Islamic canon. This is a discussion that desperately needs to be opened in the mainstream media and in public forums.
The exhibition emphasized that frank discussion specifically of Muhammad and Islam must occur, in spite of the displays of hurt, outrage, betrayal, tears, and insult by Muslims. The exhibition was not simply an abstract expression of forbidden speech, like the Entartete Kunst (Degenerate Art) exhibit sponsored by the Nazis to show the degeneracy of modern art.
Michael Copeland says
The “hurt feelings” act is a scam. There were no hurt feelings over Yazidi women sold as slaves, homosexuals thrown from roof tops, young boys fitted with remote-detonated explosive belts, and so on. No. Not “hurt feelings”. This is CONTROL.
Byzantine Partisan says
No. The Vatican has converted to Islam.
Fritz Kohlhaas says
This Pope is even a bigger ass than Ratzinger!
Rita says
Pope Francis is pro-Islam, Ratzinger was an erudite Christian. And before you say “he was a Nazi” (defamatory crap circulated about him) let me enlighten you:
He was enrolled in the Hitler Youth which was done automatically to children in the 3rd Reich, but he had the life-threatening courage to LEAVE the Nazi Party. Would his predecessor, the Polish former resistance fighter have nominated “Ratzinger” as you call him as his closest friend if there had been anything remotely nazi/fascist (today disguised as “the Left”) in him?
Bartender says
I’d take a Nazi over an Islamist any day — less dangerous.
Ernie says
Well Bartender , where did you get the idea that nazism is the less dangerous ideology comparing it to islam ?
Rita says
Islam is Nazism + Allah/Mohamed, which is, indeed even more dangerous if that’s possible.
Bartender says
Watch the news ever? There are hundreds of Islamic terrorist groups committing atrocities on a daily basis. A select few are ISIS, Boko Haram, Taliban, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas and al-Nusra Front. What Nazi atrocities are we hearing about that they are committing currently? And the numbers of Nazis out there are negligible compared to millions of Islamists.
Or do you want to go into the past where we have 1400 years of Jihad, the Armenian Genocide by the Islamists and Holocaust by the Nazis. But that is the past. We are talking about NOW, dimwit.
Bartender says
Above comment is @ Ernie
Ernie says
Bartender , you are talking for yourself . Insulting me ( dimwit ) is very telling about YOU , and totally unnecessery .
voegelinian says
Mac-101’s veiled anti-Semitic conspiracy theory duly noted and bookmarked.
Jay Airahs says
Veiled is correct
Mac-101 is an insidious phony.
Godwin says
This pope n the Catholic Church are both hopeless n useless. They has no bloody back bones to stand up for the truth nor to protect the Christians in Muzzy world. Not only that he has betrayed Christianity.
celtic warriarcanada says
The Roman Bishop ( The Pope) is by tradition , supposed to occupy the seat of the Apostle Peter. How,did Peter end his life? Praying with and trying to appease his enemies, who denied the Divinity and messianic authority of Jesus of Nazareth,and who endeavored to drive Christianity from the earth . No! Church history and hints from the Closing chapters of the Gospel Of John , tells us that he was crucified upside down for:proclaiming and defending the Christian Faith . Which was a violation of the Roman Form Of sharia law. Conclusion : The Ethiopian and Coptic Martyrs whose blood recently colored the Mediterranean were closer to THE Apostolic Seat Of The Apostle Peter than the present Pope . The actions of this Pope fits very well with the view of many Christians throughout the centuries,who believed That If the Roman Pontiff was not the Antichrist Himself, he would at least be a big player in establishing The Kingdom of Antichrist . At any rate, whatever you think : this Pope is seems to be surrendering to the enemy. God help Europe !
Theodoric says
Even HUMAN “Prophets” have NO right “NOT TO BE MOCKED” – and the same thing goes for Islam’s Muhammad.
https://drawthevileprophet.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/even-human-prophets-have-no-right-400dpi.jpg
CogitoErgoSum says
In the interest of interfaith dialogue, the Pope should proclaim Muhammad a saint and hold a canonization ceremony for him at the Vatican. He was a holy man wasn’t he? He’s probably in heaven right now, isn’t he? By the way, does Muhammad qualify for the 72 virgins and 28 serving boys? I’m not sure since he wasn’t killed fighting for Islam … unless you call being poisoned by a Jewish woman martyrdom. He did kill a lot of infidels though and he was entitled to some exceptions to the rules while he was alive. Oh well, he’s definitely in heaven at any rate and that’s what counts. Catholics could still put up statues of him and name churches after him in places like Saudi Arabia and other parts of the Middle East, couldn’t they?
Oh no! I just realized that Dante placed Muhammad in the lowest depths of hell in his “Divine Comedy:Inferno” … with his (St. Muhammad’s) guts hanging out no less. What a picture that draws in the mind’s eye! How blasphemous was that? Oh well again, who reads Dante anymore anyway? He was such a provocateur. We know better these days, don’t we? Who’s the one who is really in hell now?
Anybody got a match?
CogitoErgoSum says
Mac, I wrote a reply for you but somehow it posted to one of your other comments above and seems like a non-sequitur where it is now. I’m not sure what went wrong but, oh well. I’m sure you will figure it out.
duh_swami says
The Pope and his church are not helpful…except to Islam…
That makes him tinged with evil, doesn’t it? Or does he get a free pass?
umbra says
it is not his church, though being a modern jesuit, perhaps he believe that it is his.
Nat says
Just one more thing that proves the Pope ain’t really Catholic.
umbra says
… instead he is a modern jesuit.
Dawid ben Haggai says
“Quis Deus vult perdere, dementat prius.” (“They whom the gods would destroy, first
they made them insane”, for those don’t recall their High School Latin). I am sure these words of Euripedis (480-406 B.C.) are well known in the Vatican. Can they be applied to what is happening over there nowadays? It seems to me that this is what is truly happening over there: dementissimus.
Henry says
Freedom of speech is the keystone to all our other freedoms, this battle must be fought, and we simply can’t afford to lose it!
ibbe says
Look at this video. At the end God will call us all of what good deeds and bad deeds
Baucent says
The Catholic newspaper should know that it doesn’t take much to be a “provocation” to muslims. Just putting a “Cross” on the exterior of a church will do it. As was recently shown in moderate Malaysia, where a church was forced to remove it’s cross after a protest by “offended” muslims.
most vile of creatures says
One can understand the dislike of free speech shared by religious leaders because it allows the absurdities of their beliefs to be exposed and ridiculed. So it is understandable that the Pope and Muslim leaders find common ground in opposing it. However for Catholics to suggest that they have anything in common with Islam or that they find any aspect of it ‘holy’ must surely be a blasphemy against Christianity.
Islamic theology vehemently denies the divinity of Christ, his resurrection from the dead and even denies that Jesus was actually crucified. These are the core beliefs of Christianity. Recall that St. Paul said that if Christ had not risen then the Christian faith was in vain. Thus any attempt to accomodate Islam by Christians is to accept Islam’s blasphemous denial of Christianity”s most holy tenets.
It seems that Pope Francis either has a deeply erroneous understanding of Christian theology together with a total ignorance of Islamic theology, or is just plain bloody stupid. Or perhaps he believes that if he is nice enough to Muslim leaders and showers them with Franciscan love they will come to accept Christianity. In that case he would be just plain stupid.
spot on says
From the article…Some will say that Geller and Spencer are needlessly stirring up trouble. In reality, they are saving us from much greater trouble down the road by flushing out the danger we face while there is still time to face it down….
Exactly!! Well said.
IQ al Rassooli says
Since Francis became Pope he has been GROVELLING to Islam at every possible occasion while literally right in front of his eyes Muslims are EXTERMINATING Christianity in the Middle East & Africa
How could the leader of over ONE Billion Catholics DECEIVE and wilfully mislead his flock by declaring that he did not find ‘anything aggressive in Muhammad’s Quran’
How could his mouthpiece newspaper attack those who want to PROTECT our right to OFFEND as free people and support the enemies of all of humanity called Muslims?
This subservience to Islam has absolutely NOTHING to do with tolerarnce since FREE peoples should never Tolerate the Intolerance of Islam
I wonder how many Catholics find his incomprehensible attitude acceptable?
1400 years ago Western Christians deliberately refused to help the Eastern Christians against the onslaught of Arab Muslims. 1400 years later, we are witnessing a repeat performance!
It is up to the Church (ordinary Christian men and women) to rise up and make their voices heard otherwise, their voices will have no one to hear them in the near future
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
Jaladhi says
Man never seems to learn from history thinking -“its different this time” – only to find his mistake later!!
Westman says
The implicit L’Osservatore Romano message seems to be: Until the persecution, enslavement, sexual abuse, and death of Catholics seriously impacts the finance or image of the Vatican, we will be offering only our condolences. Disturb our delusional pacifism and you’ll get a dead fish on Friday. We have a business to run.
Mannie says
The Vatican has no love for Freedom of Speech, or freedom of any kind. They would gladly throw people into prison, if not actually burn them at the stake, for blasphemy.
AFAIC, they should shut up and sing the Mass.
Jaladhi says
If you can’t fight them, you join them!! This is what the Vatican seems to believe now, courtesy of the present Pope – poor Pope Urban II is turning over in his grave, most probably inside the Vatican!!
Edward says
Here’s a website dedicated to the martyred St Peter, the first pope commissioned by Jesus Christ.
http://www.onepeterfive.com/what-did-the-saints-say-about-islam/
Warnings about Islam’s dangerous presence!
Suzie B says
What the Pope says does not surprise me. Liberation theology hijacked the church.
Kay Abel says
Jesus and His followers never referred to Peter as “pope” which means “father”. There is One Holy Father, the Lord God of Israel, Yahweh, The Everlasting Father, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and all life. Glory to His Holy Name.
Edward says
Are you denying Jesus’ divinity? Jesus said to Peter in:
Matthew 16:18 “Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it.”
Jesus’ divinity denial is the reason trials and tribulations manifest!
Because we forfeit God’s blessings…..His protection against disastrous challenges!
Mathew 10:32-33
“Everyone who acknowledges me publicly here on earth, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.”
“But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven.”
Ron Harmon, Author says
“Blasphemous? They’re blasphemous according to Islamic law, because Islam asserts that Muhammad is a prophet. So is the Vatican now submitting to Islamic law? Merriam-Webster defines “blasphemy” as “great disrespect shown to God or to something holy.” So does the Vatican now think Muhammad is holy? Has L’Osservatore Romano converted to Islam? Is Muhammad now considered a prophet by the Catholic Church, like Isaiah or Jeremiah or Ezekiel? Will he get a feast day on the Roman Catholic calendar?”
The Lady in Purple is riding the Beast that later will consume Her.
He knows they are coming after him – the Papa Bull – Vatican! Rome is going to burn by late 2016 going into 2017!!
Is the Pope the first willing to take the number of the Beast to save his own life?
Nothing he can do that will protect him – An absolute of God Almighty is “What goes around will Come around.” There were horrific crimes against mankind for Centuries – that’s what the great men of the 16th Century were all about in the Reformation that spread across Europe and brought men and women to America for Religious Freedom!
Beth says
No surprise here. Don’t forget, – their beloved John Paul kissed the Koran – in Public. The book that calls the Son of God an abomination and all of His eye-witnesses (the Apostles) liars.
Richie says
A Muslim kissing the Bible would likely be decapitated by other Muslims
The west needs to wake up to the fact Muslims see this as weakness of Christians
Bindon Blood says
It seems that the Christian Churches in the West are going the same way as the Eastern Churches,and falling into the same trap. The Eastern churches thought that by accommodating Islam,petting it ,pandering to it joining with it in animosity toward Jews and Israel,they would win Islam’s approval and be left alone.How wrong can you be? The Christian Churches in the East are rapidly being persecuted out of existence;all that subservience,pusillanimity, humouring and trying to be Arab first and Christian next failed.They are losing everything,including their integrity and self respect and have abandoned their duty to Christ and the Christian people. Now the Church in the West are too frightened,politically correct and corrupted by fear and self preservation to help their brethren in the East.They too are abandoning Christ and their fellow Christians. Shame on them all.
Beth says
The thing is though, Bindon Blood, what true Christian would do such a thing? And I checked to see if John Paul had known about the verses in the Koran that call the Son of God an abomination. It turns out – he did. I don’t remember the excuse he made for it – but he did just that – make excuses for it.
There are no excuses for it – none whatsoever. The Koran is perfectly clear in its message:
The koran calls the Son of God an abomination and all of His eye witnesses (the apostles) liars:
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And I have never seen any Muslim (who has read their Koran) deny it. In fact, they’re quite proud of it.
I’ll ask again, – What true Christian (knowing all these facts) would do such a thing?
I don’t of any. The reason I feel this is important to point out is this:
Every Christian is aware of the Scripture that wars “If your leader is headed for the pit – then so are you”
But how many remember this one?
Mat 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
You see, because we were warned ahead of time – that removes all excuses for doing such things.
Nikiforos Fokas says
This is not the case of the greek church with the Turks .But is the case of many greek-orthodox “arabs” in Syria and Libanon { orthodox patriarchate of Antioch } with the Arabs… Now the pay their opinion that they are …arabs and not rums=byzantines.
cmm912 says
Christians ARE weak! Ya know, turn the other cheek and all. But Christianity will not stand if this political nonsense continues. I am thoroughly disgusted. There is no guarantee the United States of America will survive unless we fight for her – same with Christianity. If the church allows herself to be pounded into submission, with no fight, it’s over.
desmond says
Catherine says
Kissing the Koran – utterly horrifying.
Luke says
This is nuts. Time for a petition to the Holy See methinks…
Richie says
Christians in the west don’t want to talk about the ongoing Muslim genocide against Christians, lest Muslims take offense. So the best they can do is criticize anyone who hurts the feelings of Muslims
Beth says
Richie, – you are correct – except for one thing. You said “Christians” ….
My question to you is…(no matter what they, themselves, claim) Are they really Christians?
The better way to say that comment is this “People who claim to be Christians…”
There, – fixed it for ya. (Hope you don’t mind)
Edward says
Is Pope Francis afraid to show his allegiance to the true magisterium? What does he fear that makes him to coerce his thoughts and eventual sayings.
If so, we are prone or be subjected to more trials and tribulations because of his insolence to our God, our Creator. The pope is setting us to the same posture that Jews are experiencing in their share of trials and tribulations caused, by their indifference to embracing the Redeemer.
And yes, retribution is possible…..not by death by His hand, but by our heighten daily challenges overall, that can cause our eventual demise.
voegelinian says
Though the Catholic World Report may not be as shimmeringly mainstream as L’Osservatore (or, for that matter, the Christian Science Monitor, or the Washington Post, the New York Times, or the Wall Street Journal, et al.), and though William Kilpatrick may not be quite the crème de la crème of the Dastardly Elites of Polite Society, still both he and this publication are sufficiently within the ambit of the Mainstream to count as quite a heartening sign of the fact that we may not be having a hallucination — that indeed the H.M.S./U.S.S. Titanic — our collective Ship of Fools of the West — is, with achingly glacial (pun intended) laboriousness and tardiness, beginning to diverge from its seemingly inexorable course headed straight for the Iceberg of Islamic Disaster which anyone with half a brain and a lick of sense standing at the railings of the deck aboveboard (or peering anxiously out a porthole below) can see looming as plain as the nose on their face.
I looked up this William Kilpatrick fellow. He has recently written a wicked satire of our situation, in the form of a dystopian novel called Insecurity. Described at Amazon as:
A witty satire on suicidal government policies, multicultural misadventures, and military ineptitude, Insecurity hits uncomfortably close to home.
They also provide an extended excerpt that had me literally (as well as virtually) Laughing Out Loud — which I hereby quote:
Who’s guarding the fort?
As global tensions mount and army enlistments drop, James Cassandra, a U.S. Army captain, notices signs of increasing Muslim presence in the officer corps at Fort Camp, the base to which he has been newly assigned. Bearded officers and burqas abound, alcohol is no longer served at the officers’ club, and Muslim children in mujahideen outfits practice hand-to-hand combat at the base housing. When Cassandra goes to his politically correct commanding officer, General Coddle, with his suspicions, he is reassured that what he sees is just the result of the Army’s “Proud to Be Me” program―affirmative action for Muslims and gays, “the two most underrepresented minorities in the military.”
Through a friend, Cassandra learns of similar Muslim penetration at other bases. Then, with the help of an eavesdropping device, he discovers a plot by Muslim officers to take over key commands, with a view to establishing an Islamic government. Meanwhile, information vital to the success of the coup is being relayed to the Muslim officers by Stanley Darling, a young gay soldier in army communications who has a crush on handsome Colonel Mohammed Faisal.
Realizing that General Coddle won’t listen to him, Captain Cassandra arranges to meet with a top Pentagon officer, the formidable general Jack Panzer, in order to divulge what he knows. But getting to Panzer is no easy task. Along the way, Cassandra encounters a burly Muslim TSA agent, six scary imams aboard his flight, and a leftist demonstration on the National Mall to support the construction of a gigantic mosque to be situated in the center of the Mall with the Washington Monument serving as its minaret.
Meanwhile, at the White House, President Prince and his security team are meeting to discuss global tensions, but against a background of escalating threats and falling enlistments, their top priorities are to increase the LGBTU presence in the military and to create a less threatening color-coded threat chart. Have naïve generals and politicians set the nation on an irreversible course towards disaster? Or will Captain Cassandra be able to save the day?
Having in the meantime landed in a mental health facility, however, Cassandra is in no position to save anyone―unless he can convince the staff that he’s really not crazy. In a world where craziness has become the norm and sanity is suspect, that proves to be a tall order. When burqas get a pass at the security gate, F-16s are sent to Iran, and the President decides to supplement the First Lady with a Second Lady and a Third Lady, it’s hard to say what’s normal.
http://www.amazon.com/Insecurity-William-Kilpatrick/dp/1618689436/ref=la_B00LIQYW5O_1_1_title_0_main?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1405369663&sr=1-1
ronald says
In connection with this latest news item i have become convinced that analysts with the CIA saw 9/11 coming and are instructed to ignore the warnings because they had this in store for America and refused to honor their their commitment and worn duty to protect us from the islamic insurgency already taking over Europe. We are next on the list and now Feinstein is using the latest attack in Texas to push for more intelligence on law abiding citizens. one world order through the Vatican also is coming.
Bindon Blood says
The American people must do all that is within the law to rid themselves and the world of this ghastly, treacherous left wing excuse for a president,Obama. Can you afford to leave him at large ,wreaking havoc, in the White House for another 2 years? This man has brought the U.S into disrepute,insulted all her friends and cossetted her enemies. What on Earth are the republicans doing? Nothing it seems. Time for mass peaceful protest to the White House.
Jay Airahs says
Why is the Muslim staring at his hands?
Is he that self absorbed or is he checking for unwashed blood stains?
How is it possible to have interfaith dialog with such narcissists as Muslims.
Edward says
The Muslim’s believe in the black magic occult and psychic practices let’s say he is looking at his evil benefactors instructions scribed on hands lines by just liking looking at a “teleprompter” just like where our POTUS get his daily cues!
http://blackmagicworld.com/black-magic-in-muslim-countries.html
But, seriously Pope Francis should discredit the Islam’s adherence to their black magic practices. However, we should be concerned if the pope starts studying his palms too. Of course I’m joking, but I wonder at time if this is a black factor about our lives.
swpbbls says
“re: “…using the word ‘blasphemous’ sends a hugely misleading message.”
Don’t feel bad — the RCC’s own Cardinal Francis Georgie passed away wondering what (whom?) has taken over his faith…
Here’s part of his obit and a link to the full text:
…calling the pontiff’s messages ‘a bit jumbled at times.’ ”
“I’m sure he’s not confused himself. It’s confusing for a lot of people including myself at times. For someone who appreciates clarity, I would like to get a few things clear so I can cooperate,” George said in an October 2014 interview with The Chicago Tribune. – See more at: http://www.legacy.com/ns/cardinal%20francis-george-obituary/174659508#sthash.2ZzacTn2.dpuf
swpbbls says
oops — should read >Cardinal Francis George<
TH says
Good on William Kilpatrick and my respects to him as I have read his articles on Islam in the Cattholic periodical Crisis and they are all excellent. What a pity that Pope Francis and the Editors of L’Osservatore Romano, as well as Cardinal Dolan of NY and other bishops are not listing to him and other well informed and knowledgeable Catholic writers on Islam. Another is Fr. James Shall, a Jesuit like Pope Francis.
As for the notion that the concept of blasphemy can properly be applied to a figure like Mahommad according to Catholic moral theology, see this from the Catholic Encyclopedia
“While etymologically blasphemy may denote the derogation of the honour due to a creature as well as of that belonging to God, in its strict acceptation it is used only in the latter sense. Hence it has been defined by Francisco Suárez as “any word of malediction, reproach, or contumely pronounced against God: (De Relig., tract. iii, lib. I, cap. iv, n. 1). It is to be noted that according to the definition (1) blasphemy is set down as a word, for ordinarily it is expressed in speech, though it may be committed in thought or in act. Being primarily a sin of the tongue, it will be seen to be opposed directly to the religious act of praising God”
Fancisco Suárez is a Jesuit XVII century Spanish theologian, probably the greatest Jesuit theologian and a notable authority, although he is not on the same level as St. Thomas Aquinas as an authority in the Church.
dennis says
I was in iraq for 2 1/2 years, i know islam first hand. bringing in refugees and muslims will be the downfall of america. no one assimilates anymore, they segregate, islam has taken hold in michigan. soon we will see sharia practiced openly and accepted there and it will spread because of the left wing. only when enough americans have died will anyone stand up but by then it will be too late. sleep with dogs, you will get fleas.
only 1 1/2% of americans have served. the rest of you are cowards and our plight today with islamic incursion and appeasement is the direct outcome of “tolerance” for a people that will never tolerate us.
Nikiforos Fokas says
SHAME TO VATICAN and CATHOLIC CHURCH !
So I am blasphemous if I say that Muhammad was sexomaniac polygamous because he had 14 wifes ,disgasting pederaste because when he was 54 years old raped Aisa a 9 years old little girl , mass murderer of non muslims , war lord who conducted 64 wars almost all offensive ,criminal of war, totalitarian and bloody master of a country , hate preacher and racist against the christians and jews etc etc etc
Kepha says
Mr. Fokas:
Ευχαριστω!
I’m another blasphemer against Islam, since I do not believe that Muhammad was a prophet of God.
Kepha
abad says
Pope Francis is far too liberal for my tastes. But having come from a Roman Catholic background until my born again status (and I went to Catholic schools all my life including a Catholic women’s college), you know…..I wish he’d stop trying to curry favor from Islam….
gfmucci says
This is not at all surprising since Catholic doctrine teaches that the Islamic allah and the Judeo-Christian God are the same thing. This is why I am not Catholic. I cannot fathom a belief that these two belief systems (Islam and Christianity) are anything but polar opposites in every respect.
EYESOPEN says
That crap about muzlims worshiping the same god has only been in effect since Vatican II; which is why many REAL Catholics think that the Second Vatican Council was a BAD idea. It opened the door, not only for heresy, but downright apostasy.
Bashy Quraishy says
Dear JihadWatch
By now the world is used to comic relief dished out daily by super Islamophobe, Mr. ROBERT SPENCER but his latest article; “Has Vatican newspaper converted to Islam?”dated MAY 9, 2015, belongs to a class of its own.
He claims; “Islam asserts that Muhammad is a prophet.”
So now we Muslims that number 23% of the world population, have to get a Fatwa of his approval from this “Islam Scholar-cum anti-Islam propagandist” that Mohammad was indeed a Prophet.
Dear Mr. Spenser, Muhammad was a Prophet or not is for Muslims to decide but all serious and worthy to note academic agree on one thing, There has never been a more important and influential man in this world who not only was a Prophet but also a brilliant politician, statesman, administrator and a reformer.
Just read Karen Armstrong’s book; Mohammad-The Prophet for our Times.
Kind regards
Angemon says
Bashy Quraishy posted:
“Dear Mr. Spenser, Muhammad was a Prophet or not is for Muslims to decide”
It’s been 1400 years, give or take. Have muslims come to a conclusion? Is muhammad a prophet or not? And if the quran, which is supposedly the perfect word of allah, refers to muhammad as “prophet”, do muslims have any choice on the matter? Do they get to say “nope, screw the quran, muhammad is not a prophet”? And if they do decide that muhammad is not a prophet, what of islam, which is build around muhammad?
“but all serious and worthy to note academic agree on one thing”
Are all of them muslims? If not, you just shot yourself in the foot with your mix of “appeal to numbers” and “appeal to authority”.
“There has never been a more important and influential man in this world who not only was a Prophet”
Once again: are all those “serious and worthy to note academic” muslims? If not, foot, meet bullet. And it seems we have our answer already.
“Just read Karen Armstrong’s book; Mohammad-The Prophet for our Times.”
And now you shot yourself in the other foot. Karen Armstrong is not a muslim, therefore, by your standard, she should get no saying on whether muhammad is a prophet or not. Instead, you refer to her as if she’s the only authority capable of answering a question you imply to be up in the air.
So first Bashy chides Mr. Spencer for saying that “Islam asserts that Muhammad is a prophet” (even though islam DOES assert that), then he says that it’s up for muslims to decide whether muhammad is a prophet or not (which, spoiler alert, there’s no way a muslim can say otherwise – read the f***ing shahada) and then he drives his point home by… referring to a non-muslim “scholar”.
There is comic relief in Jihad Watch. It comes from people like Bashy here, flapping all around, trying to defend their (possibly not a) “prophet”.
rita says
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Adonas says
I am not defending Islam in anyway, I do think that America needs to drop the hammer and destroy ISIS and all related, however in defense of the pope, Pope Francis does not support Islam either. Raising awareness of the danger of Islam is great, keep it up, but what he is against is an event for the sake of poking fun at, and putting down a person or group of persons, in this case Islam. I’m all for freedom of speech too so i fully support your right to have this type of event. But Jesus and all the saints never put down people for the sake of putting down or raising awareness, It was all done out of great and genuine love of neighbor, which they are, and we cannot forget this. As for using the specific word blasphemous, (sacrilegious against God or sacred things; profane), Muslims do hold Muhammed as sacred, murderer though he was, we will not slump to their level, (or even step foot in that direction aka “harmless” put downs), because that is not what Jesus would do. He always built people up, yes he called the pharisee’s out on their bulltshit but never for the sake of poking fun or being right, or putting down, it was always to build them up, because the pharisee were the ones who needed true love the most. And right now that is ISIS. Yes we should go in and stop them, using lethal force if necessary (I say “if necessary” but it’s certainly gonna be necessary it seems). No one needs to be put down for the sake of awareness or just having fun. That is what the pope is getting at. But people do need to be stopped and even killed for their own sake and the good of world. Love your enemies.
Prinz Eugen says
This confused pope is not quite sure if he wants to be seen as Che’s son or an imam! Instead of defending the Church, he caves to communism and islam — the very evils that want to put an end to Christianity. The commies want to make the Vatican into a museum, whereas the ragheads want to convert it to a victory mosque. And the dazed pope even pushed for the Cuban surrender recently brought about by the anti-US Sultan Barry Sotero. Pope should resign, get out of Rome and convert to any silly cult he feels supports his crazy ideology!
Wimp Boehner should cancel the invitation to address and try to subvert congress more than is necessary!
IQ al Rassooli says
Bashy Quraishy
Of course as an indoctrinated follower of Muhammad, you have no choice but to support your mentor Muhammad
You obviously also do NOT understand the English words you are using. If Muhammad was a prophet, will you please tell us where to find ANY prophesy that Muhammad predicted that came out to be TRUE? At least TWO?
Also, according to the Islamic sources of al Maghazi ( meaning AMBUSHING unsuspecting civilians) Muhammad NEVER actually fought against an organized military formation. According to the Islamic sources as a coward he ALWAYS attacked UNSUSPECTING tribes and or caravans
For your information, Robert Spencer KNOWS more about Islam than 98% of the followers of Muhammad including yourself of course
If you are so sure of yourself, why not take any of my challenges worth over $1,500,000 by just Googling ‘alrassooli’ and try to prove anything I assert about Muhammad & his Islam as wrong especially since I PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt the Allah is NOT God!
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
underbed cat says
I may be mistaken, didn’t BBC report that Italy had a mafia head living in Britain sent back to Italy. Seems like a good idea to me. Maybe the Pope requested him…?
jacob says
Excellent article. Geller and company should be hailed as faithful watchmen and defenders of America’s pillars of freedom starting with free speech.
Les says
Did you all forget that pope Benedict 16 and pope Francis spoke out against Muslim jihad and holy war? Benedict was excoriated and just last month Francis recalled the Ottoman Empire as the first genocide of the 20th century only to be condemned by muslimes and the western world. God formed one church not 33,000 flavorers thanks to the protest by former catholic heretics in the 16th century.
Galatians 1:6-9
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.