Here is an insightful take on the “hate” monicker with which the Leftists and Islamic supremacists routinely defame Pamela Geller (and me).
“I’m More Hateful Than Pamela Geller,” by David French, National Review, May 7, 2015:
The New York Times has peered into Pamela Geller’s heart — and found it full of hate. I’ll let others make the argument that it’s unseemly to so viciously attack the victim of an attempted murder just three days after the attack — to accuse her of intentionally provoking the attempt on her own life and the lives of her friends and supporters, no less. And Rich Lowry has offered a convincing argument that Geller was motivated not by hate, but rather “defiance.” Let me instead offer a defense of hatred.
But first, a confession. I’m far more hateful than Pamela Geller. In fact, I’d argue there’s no way that she could hate jihad more than I do. I’ve seen jihad up-close, in an Iraqi province where jihadists raped women to shame them into becoming suicide bombers, where they put bombs in little boys’ backpacks then remotely detonated them at family gatherings, where they beheaded innocent civilians while cheering wildly like they were at a soccer match, and where they shot babies in the face to “send a message” to their parents. I’ve seen the despair in the eyes of the innocent victims of jihad, and — believe me — that despair is infinitely greater than the alleged “anguish” caused by a few cartoons.
Moreover, I put my hatred into action, not by hosting conferences featuring defiant cartoons, but instead by doing my absolute best to accomplish a mission that included killing or imprisoning every single jihadist we could find. We were quite proficient at our jobs, but I deeply regret that we weren’t even more proficient. And while I did my best, I didn’t do nearly as much as those who laid their lives on the line “outside the wire” each and every day. Many of those brave men hated jihad even more than me.
Simply put, to know jihad is to hate jihad. And if you hate jihad, you will likely do more to help actual Muslims — to save them from death and misery — than the most politically-correct newspaper editor or the most hand-wringing academic.
I don’t know Pamela Geller, and I certainly don’t know her heart, but it’s simply bizarre that so few of the tens of thousands of words decrying her “hatred” have actually examined the actions of the jihadists she opposes. Isn’t genocide worth hating? Isn’t the systematic oppression of women? The selling of children into slavery? And in our hatred, we are in good company. As the writer of Proverbs states, there are “six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him” among those “abominations” are “hands that shed innocent blood.” Those are jihadist hands — hands even God hates.
Mary says
What a fantastic article by David French. I am so glad to read another person with their eyes open. Pity so much of the world is blind to jihad evil. Please keep up the good work Pamela and Robert.
Donovan Nuera says
EXACTLY!! It’s like hating your grandparents for “hating” the Nazis and Imperial Japanese!!
spot on says
Exactly. No one had any problem despising Nazis and everything they stood for. Muslims are a throwback to Nazism and we see popular commentators all around defending them. Pamela is right on target and more power to her.
Ashley says
Thank you, David French!
Lia Wissing says
I second that thanks!
William Lucas Harvey Jr. says
William Lucas Harvey Jr. says
“Why Won’t Pamela Geller Shut Up?”
Basically BECAUSE Pamela Geller has the “Chutzpah” to Speak out and EXPOSE Islam for what it IS, and the Islamists and the Radical Mainstream apparent “Muslim Pandering” Media doesn’t like that.
THEY want to “Ban” and “Criminalize” it as “Blasphemy, “Islamophobia” and “Hate Speech”.
However THEY have NO problems when ANY other Non Islamic Faith or Belief IS “Blasphemed” and “Demeaned” with ISLAMIC “Slurs” and “Hate Speech”.
THEY prefer ONLY “Pro Islam” Speech that advances the cause Islam, such as Taqiyya and Kitman, Islamic Qur’an condoned, Lying and Deception, which is really by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them, with Islam’s “Grand Deception” Lies.
Eternal Vigilance says
If hate were measureable, Muslims, and most emphatically Islamists, would drown the world with spittle. Two billion Muslims worldwide all hating Israel, a small nation of what, ten to twenty million citizens, is a classic case of a religion chewing off its own foot. Of course, the truth is that believers in the Quaran hate EVERYBODY who is not Muslim.
Strange, that so many people could adapt a religious philosophy that is based on hate, the propagation of intimidation, lies, murder, beheadings, rape, kidnappings, utilization of children as walking bombs, etc. One must be astounded that any philosophy would be based on anything other than reason, logic, tolerance, honesty, forbearance, ethics, etc. but then we have the Quaran to prove otherwise.
Dan says
Dude… U hit it out of the ball park!!!! Thanks… Short and sweet.
Donovan Nuera says
If there were only 20,000 muslims in the world, NO one would have a problem if one critiqued or questioned the tenets of their belief system from a theological, historical, or sociological point of view. It would be akin to finding out what the heck is going with scientologists. But I guess once their numbers hit the magic 1 billion mark, they are suddenly “too big to fail” and cannot be criticized! Yet other faiths (or non-faiths) of similar size don’t seem to have that protection, nor do they put up a fight more violent than calm debates or thoughtful articles in magazines and books. Mr. French is quite correct that muslims themselves are the biggest victims as they get killed for no good reason and have been cheated out of happy lives for centuries.
ermin says
Yes , Islam & mad Muslims (99℅ of them ) have killed the joy of thousands of families once they try to retrieve it they slaughter them “literally “
No Fear says
Exactly.
spot on says
Like if the Mafia numbered in the millions, everyone would say they are the right way to go.
PGuud says
Cheers! for that piece.
Pamela and Robert’s exhortations are the clarion call for us to stand up to fascism. That’s it. Nothing more. Those two warriors of freedom are simply telling us to open our eyes and protect our way of life–as free people.
Is the world so blind that it doesn’t see what is going on? Islam is not among us to be equal to us; it is here to rule over us.
Islam is the antithesis of freedom. It is not welcome in our free world.
Islam: where freedom ends and slavery begins.
Huck Folder says
islamofascism
fascislam
iblislam
Take your pick.
@moslems:
“Offended you are?
A shit I don’t give!”
spot on says
Thanks for that bit of humor buried in your name. LOL!
No Fear says
The NYTimes should be ashamed of itself.
Pam Geller simply had a cartoon contest and for that she was the target of Islam supremacism.
Islam’s “holy book” is the real hate speech.
I urge people to read it. You will read about how you (unbelievers) are scum and the untermensch.
You will read about how muslims are “the best of people”.
You will read about how you (unbelievers) are only worthy of burning in a fire.
The Quran is, without exception, the MOST hate filled book I have ever had the misfortune to read.
It is truly VILE!
Bless you Pam. You speak the truth.
The Quran is hate speech against non-muslims (except those unbelievers who submit to Islamic rule…the dhimmis).
Deryck Franklyn says
I’ve read it too my friend and you are absolutely right. Have you also read the bit about the delectable rivers of wine in the Muslim heaven or paradise. That would be about 6% proof I guess so no ban on alcohol there then. With all that booze and 80 virgins for each man I bet they’ll have a right rave up. It looks as though the women that go to this er….paradise will be at a loose end though so you have to feel sorry for them. I wonder if they’ll be allowed alcohol because I’m sure they will be eventually driven to drink. lol
nacazo says
Yes, I’m a proud jihadophobist.
John Billings says
Excellent! a new phobia, and this they can’t deny: Jihadophobia. I am intensely jihadophobic.
Deryck Franklyn says
To be on the safe side it’s best to be infidel phobic! Apparently they can’t touch you for it.
celtic warriarcanada says
I’ve never seen and experienced what this person has ! The only ISIS Snuff Film I have ever watched was the Burning OF THE Jordanian PILOT and I Saw THE CLIP Of the THE HORRIFIED MAN HOLDING UP THE HEADLESS BODY OF A BEAUTIFUL INFANT GIRL . I THINK IT WAS HIS DAUGHTER ! Then hearing the horror stories from the Mosul Christians and Yeszdes . I did see the pools of blood from THE COPTIC AND ETHIOPIAN MARTYR ‘FLOWING INTO THE MEDITERRANEAN . ALONG with the lack of concern BY Many Muslim’S and the obvious support for ISIS BY MANY WEALTHY PRIVILEGED YOUNG MUSLIMS .CONCLUSION : I too, HATE AND HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE SICK SO CALLED RELIGION OF ISLAM ! ANY NORMAL ADJUSTED HUMAN BEING WOULD ! AND SHOULD . If this is a hate crime , I’m willing to do the time! WHO MADE ME THIS WAY ? Robert Spencer? PAM GELLER ? NO! I WILLINGLY CHOOSE TO HATE EVIL.WHY? Because REASON and CONSCIENCE tells me THAT A Religion which teaches BRUTAL MURDER ,RAPE ,PEDOPHILIA ETC cannot possibly BE FROM GOD ! NO, OMAR KHADER’s LAWYER is WRONG !Prime Minister Harper does NOT HATE MUSLIM’S nor DO !.BUT, But,But ,BUT,But BUT,I, ,I,I,I,I hate, hate,hate,hate ,hate your RELIGION . WHY ? BECAUSE I HAVE GOOD MIND, AND WAS BROUGHT UP IN A GREAT COUNTRY . FOR WHICH I AM GREATFUL . And my DAD , A CANADIAN D.DAY Survivor taught me the difference between good and evil . UNlike the BRAIN DEAD LEFTY LACKEY’S Who imagine that if they climb up Muslims Rectums they might be spared !
carpediadem says
Absolutely wonderful and inspiring piece!
No Fear says
Off Topic: UK election
George Galloway, who was voted out of his Bradford (high muslim %) electorate, is blaming his defeat on “racists and Zionists” according to the Independent newspaper.
So, somehow, all the muslims who voted him in at the last election are now Zionists and racists!
That is wildly hilarious. Bye George!
john spielman says
wait a minute , i AM more hateful of islam than any one else!!!~ muhammed was a demon possessed mass murderer
thief liar misogynist and demon possessed pedophile pervert!
Angemon says
Bravo! Great piece!
revereridesagain says
On Fox & Friends this morning, Geraldo Rivera just equated the AFDI with the Aryan Nations. There are a lot of very ugly true colors being exposed on FOX this week by the likes of Rivera, O’Reilly, Williams, Van Sustern and the rest of the warrior-blamers. My question is, when the next ISIS attack hits it may not be at a “controversial”, “provocative” expression of free speech such as the Draw Muhammad Contest. It may well be aimed at shopping malls or schools. Will those victims be blamed as well, or will the dhimmedia just blow it all back on the AFDI for having “baited” the savages by refusing to submit?
Beth says
“…aimed at shopping malls or schools. Will those victims be blamed as well…”
Yes, they will. The New York Times blamed the Russian government for the Beslan school attack – instead of the muslims who carried it out. Only this time, they’ll have to find someone or something else to blame – as long as their messiah is in office. But, to put the blame where it belongs? Never.
Livid Pork Lover says
Yes it is very disturbing. What the hell is going on over at Fox?
nacazo says
So me Saudi Prince bought 20% of Fox.
Ted Branin says
Viva Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer!
Singh says
Bravo Robert and Pam. You have many supporters across the world of all ethnicities. God bless, take.care, carry on the fight on our behalf.
Beth says
“there are “six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him” among those “abominations” are “hands that shed innocent blood.” Those are jihadist hands — hands even God hates”
BRAVO!
People seem to forget – God hated Esau (and laid his heritage waste). And King David hated those who rose up against God and His anointed with a “perfect hatred” (which is repeated several times) of whom it is written, – he was a man after God’s own heart.
For the things that the true muslims do because their Koran tells them to do – I hate them with a perfect hatred – and I will never take those words back.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
In a continent-sized nation of more than 300 million souls, “offensive” speech is always happening. Geller’s speech is different not because it’s uniquely insensitive or even uniquely “hateful.” Her speech is different because it makes people afraid.
– from the David French article in NRO
Again and again and again I repeat: if Geller’s cartoon contest did this, she’s an irresponsible provocateur because she and her cohort Spencer are publicity whores with a death wish. This sells with the population accepting that is less uncomfortable than what they sense deep down, that this Moslem thing is getting big, going out of control, and could end up the biggest disaster in world history. So better to put down a couple of nutballs.
Imagine how the public would react if the knew that Islam itself acknowledges that the man now widely called the “Prophet Mohammed” in our news entertainment media:
1) Ordered and paid for two contract murders of person who dared criticize him
1) Ordered and supervised the mass murder of several hundred men and boys in a single afternoon.
2) Sold the several hundred surviving women and girls into sex slavery
3) Did so because Allah commanded him to lay in wait and kill Infidels wherever he found them, and to fight violently and even kill innocents until there is no god but Allah
That might change the mass perspective on Geller and Spencer. The fictive reality that Islam is at its foundation a reasonable and even peaceful belief system is a wild wishful dangerous fantasy that is killing us, literally.
Marty Sanchez says
I know. It is really astonishing that the Media for the most part is on the side of the worst human-rights abusers in the modern world. Who would have thunk it?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Yeah, but the population does not know that they are the worst human rights abusers exactly because they are commanded to be that. Our news entertainers and political elites (including our so-called academics) leave the population in the dark about what is causing all of this.
Is it that hard to inform the people what is in the Holy Ko-Ran, the Hah-Deaths, and the sacralized histories? Now it is that this information must be left to “experts” to be found and interpreted.
My analogy is that this is akin to the idea that “constitutional lawyers” must handle matters of high law in this country. The Constitution was purposefully written to be understandable to the equivalent of a basic high school graduate in the late 18th century, but now its a thing that can only be understood by a small elite of those from prestigious law schools.
If the high law of this country is left unknowable to the average person, then freedom will be lost, and they are being lost.
If the nature of Islam is left unknowable to the average person in free countries, then freedom and lives will be lost, and they are being lost. But few understand why. Understanding that is left to a tiny elite of news entertainers, politicians, academics, and even judges, who are but lawyers, actual law school graduates, attired in pompous black robes.
spot on says
I think we have been watching our entertainment news performers pandering to Muslims in order to avoid being targeted by Islam and in the process leaving Pamela to go it alone. I do not believe that these entertainers are so stupid that they believe it is morally wrong for Pamela to get in the face of criminals and demonstrate just how evil is Islam.
Thank God we have Pamela and Robert bringing light to the darkness that is brought to us by the MSM including FOX.
The Doctor says
Terror works for the media.
They know that Islam commands the execution of any who criticize Islam, and the “louder” the criticism (the more widely spread / read), the more likely that the death sentence will be carried out. Being in the press, with the goal of wide readership, they know that criticizing Islam is the equivalent of painting a very large target on their backs. Ergo, they cower and submit to Sharia anti-blasphemy rules.
Some may be dhimmis, but I suspect that some are silent simply out of fear for their lives, because Muslims have proven time and time again that they are willing to kill over truly trivial things like cartoons or someone simply stating the truth that Muhammad was a paedophile, pirate, pervert, sex-slaver, etc.
david ramseur says
Jihadist are true muslims. Jihadists are actual muslims. Jihadists are obedient muslims. They are not radical, they are devout. They are orthodox. And yes, they are clearly demon possessed. Islam is a gateway to demonic possession. Islam is morality inverted. 100% pure evil. We are not at war with radical Islam, we are at war with Islam. The only way this war could be won is by destroying that religion and having nobody believe it anymore. This will not happen though. So the war will rage on until Jesus comes back and deals the victory blow.
duh_swami says
‘Hate means ‘intense dislike’…There are a lot of things we intensely dislike. I really hate it when I hit my thumb with a hammer…Hate does not become a mental problem unless it is ‘irrational’. Knowing what you know about Islam, and the behavior of its pious, is it irrational to dislike it intensely?
Is the hate, justified?
Is the author of this article, irrational in his confessed hatred of jihad? I don’t think so, but Bill O, would, and he has a TV show to pontificate from, and I don’t…
spot on says
“Bill O, would, and he has a TV show to pontificate from, and I don’t…”
He is a news entertainer. His performance is produced by FOX and his job is to acquire an audience for his advertisers. He certainly would never forget this but how easy it is for us to forget.
Rossbro says
There should be ‘Art Shows’ every day in every town in the World. Freedoms must not be ceded to those who would attack because they don’t ‘like’ what is being done. I say ‘DARE’ them to attack. Armed guards can remove them.
Edward says
Excellent strategy….. mass elimination by attrition!
Domestic or entire world planning of more Islam/Muslim themed cartoon contests would perhaps overburden our nemesis aberrant minds….by their already self-inflicted angered minds.
Edward says
Correction!
It should say……..even further by their already self-inflicted angered minds.
Dave J says
I do not hate individual Muslims, who are the victims of a vile brainwashing, but I do hate the tactics, the arrogance, the violence and the slavery that are at the core of this death cult. it is like a curse on the human race. I pray that individual Muslims can summon up the courage to see the truth about their heritage and take action to reform, reject or resist the spiritual criminals who preach Jihad.
Meanwhile we must practice Defiance, not Hatred – hatred is their game. Ours should be to educate the dhimmis who are falling for the deceit and “big lies” of Islam. Do not talk to me about a “religion of peace” until you have actually read the Koran – it will overcome your assumptions about all religions are good.
Edward says
Pam Geller has the same tenacity as Joan of Arc…..with that stick-to-it-ive mindset she will change the minds of those that now kowtow to the enemy.
Warning: Kowtowing is toxic to one’s psyche; self inflicted dignity buster.
G-d Bless Ms Geller!
Thumbs up….. on the David French’s piece!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I do not believe that these entertainers are so stupid that they believe it is morally wrong for Pamela to get in the face of criminals and demonstrate just how evil is Islam.
– spot on at 10:53
I wouldn’t be so optimistic. In the lawyer business they have a saying called “Drinking your own whiskey,” which means coming to believe a defense you’ve concocted and losing because of that.
I think that the news entertainers actually believe their own bullshit, they think what they’re saying is actually true. That they keep themselves willfully ignorant of the facts of Islam is not an indictment of what they’re saying, they’re ignorant because that is best left to the experts. Well, after Garland they have some experts on the TV, which is long overdue, and they’re lambasting them as publicity grubbing kooks.
Finlayson Kenneth says
I don’t find Pamela hateful at all! I find her a straight-shooter, I find her compassionate, and I find her beautiful. G-d bless Pamela and the work she is doing.
I think anti-semitism is at the root of the news entertainers blindness, and the UN.
spot on says
Alarmed, You are right. Thanks for catching me on that. Sometimes it is easy to forget. I have called it “believing their own bullshit”. Salespersons often do this too. Could it be that we are surrounded by a bunch of salespersons day in and day out on TV. You know what the old saying about what happens with being surrounded by salespersons…learning more and more about less and less until we know nothing about absolutely everything.
spot on says
…Absolutely everything about nothing, that is. I slipped a key.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Could it be that we are surrounded by a bunch of salespersons day in and day out on TV.
I like that. They are shills, a roster of self-important, self-congratulatory shills wearing stage makeup on camera to peddle the product given them by their sales managers, no matter how defective.
voegelinian says
That doesn’t explain the innumerable ordinary citizens who parrot and regurgitate the same PC MC memes. I know quite a few in my daily life (indeed the vast majority of those I know are that way). They can’t all be “shills” or “Leftists” or whatever other simplistic label you guys want to call them. The reasonable conclusion must entail that 1) there is something more complex going on here, and 2) whatever it is entails a whole mesh of good things.
The main Good Thing which motivates all these PC MCs throughout the West — in all walks of life, left, right, high, low, rich, poor, middle class, all professions — is the lofty principle of defending hundreds of millions of Brown People from the horrors of “bigotry” and “racism” and “xenophobia”.
This concern is what imbues these people with the righteous (and self-righteous) air of being on the right side, doing the right thing, on the side of the angels.
voegelinian says
Another label the Counter-Jihad is fond of slinging around: “cultural marxists”. There are innumerable ordinary people in the West who are most definitely not cultural marxists, who nevertheless parrot and regurgitate these PC MC memes.
spot on says
“This concern is what imbues these people with the righteous (and self-righteous) air of being on the right side, doing the right thing, on the side of the angels.”
Voegelinian, I agree with your thoughts on this but to help explain the PC-MC folks in the West, I would like to add that there are those who can detail and review their thoughts all in their head in full color or on paper without ever opening their mouth. The only time they need to open their mouth is to maybe bounce their thoughts off someone else to enhance their ideas.
There are others that must enunciate their thoughts verbally to others in order to think properly and to accomplish the same thing. This latter category submits their thinking process to another person for review and edit before they are finished thinking.
The latter group, I believe, is very susceptible to the PC-MC mentality since the PC-MC mentality makes them feel like they are good people as they speak (think) and is also much easier for them to accomplish during polite conversation
spot on says
They are shills, a roster of self-important, self-congratulatory shills wearing stage makeup on camera to peddle the product given them by their sales managers, no matter how defective.
In addition to the news entertainers, there are the ever present experts and former high officials that have client’s holding non-disclosure agreements. There is no way to know who their clients are because of the NDA’s. They would always push the best interests of their clients just like a salesperson who sells extra products for extra commissions on the side.
mortimer says
The jihadist BERZERKERS are considered cute, little pets by the cultural Marxists at New York Times…exotic pets, mind you, but WE KNOW HOW TO TAME THEM! And, after all, they aren’t so bad, and if we treat them right and give them accelerated promotions, they’ll all join us as good citizens and drop the supremacism and misogyny.
The trouble with people who keep exotic pets is that they live in the constant denial that their pets are lethal weapons that can ‘snap’ at any second and turn on the owners.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I was going to write something like this yesterday, calling them conceits, finely painted ceramic dolls bugged to a brilliant shine. But then I realized that they were Russian nesting dolls, with one hidden inside the other, with the Unicorn doll encasing the Reasonable But Disturbed doll encasing the Mujahidin Mass Murder Doll encasing the Holy Prophet Doll encasing the Allah Doll at the deepest redoubt of the stack, deep inside the fevered mind of every Moslem, even the happy Unicorn Dolls galloping through the rich green fields of welfare mooch money and news entertainer accommodation.
But in the image of all that in my mind the sun was setting on the horizon behind the galloping herd of a billion Unicorn Dolls, and I thought setting on what.
David says
Well put Mr. Spencer, short, simple true.
To all the MEDIA MANIACS: it is grossly UNFAIR to be so “fair” to others who play unfair…
Mark Breza says
But do they HATE you more than you HATE them ?
Sounds like you found a winning formula Mr Spencer.
Let us spiral it out of control !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
underbed cat says
The article in the National Review by David French, “I am more hateful that Pamela Geller”, lifted my heart.
underbed cat says
The article in the National Review by David French, “I am More Hateful Than Pamela Geller”, written May 7,2015, lifted my heart and I hope Pamela ‘s feeling the same uplift in spirit. Many of her critics showed they are being deceived and have not studied the subject. Thank you Robert for posting this article and to all websites authors who have educated me. Please remove first post.
Sam says
Those shameless brainwashed liberals and unfortunately republicans will still blame my hero Pam Geller when their throat are being cut by their culturally equivalent Moslems of the religion of peace.
This is war for our freedom and any sane American should help Pam Geller and Robert anyway they can and especially financially. Donate to Pam, please.
Thomas G says
Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer are dedicated to bringing public attention to the role that Islamic jihad theology and ideology play in the modern world and to correcting popular misconceptions about the role of the Islamic religion in modern-day conflicts. By shedding as much light as possible on these matters, they hope to alert people of good will to the true nature of the present global conflict. Islamic jihadists, the motives and goals of violent jihad is a constant of Islamic history and a central element of Islamic theology.
Liberals and progressives please educate yourself concerning the Holy Land Trials by scrolling down to page 21 section 4 in English…………. http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/files/import/42945-government%20exhibit%203-85.pdf
Robert Wagner says
I don’t know Pamela Geller, but I believe that she hates people flying airplanes into buildings, female circumcision, bombing parades, kidnapping young girls, murder of christens because they are christens, stoning for adultery, murder of gays, and beating of wives
.
spot on says
That would imply that her detractors are in favor of those things that she dislikes.
voegelinian says
“In fact, I’d argue there’s no way that she could hate jihad more than I do. I’ve seen jihad up-close…” writes David French of the National Review.
It’s easy to “hate” something you have already whittled down to size — the Tiny Minority of Extremists. What about the untold, innumerable tens (and tens, and tens) of millions of Muslims who may not ostensibly raping anyone, planting bombs, or stabbing anyone, but who a mountain of evidence and an ocean of dots a reasonably intelligent person would connect indicate are co-dependent enablers (if not outright supporters) of the very same ideology that motivates those jihadists? Will David French be as robust about them as he glibly is about the easily hate-able jihadists? One suspects he maintains his toughness by pre-whittling the problem down to manageably bite-sized proportions.
Aldo says
“Will David French be as robust about them as he glibly is about the easily hate-able jihadists?”
Why the back biting tone? The writer is simply making a point – and making it well – that the PCMC narrative and tendency to misidentify the natural human emotion of “hate” as being the “root source of all western evil” is utterly false, foolhardy, and self-defeatist. To make this point, it is not at all necessary, or even in the writer’s interest, to widen the scope to encompass all of the problematic sharia insistent followers of the dead “you can’t draw me” sand pirate (and there are roughly 300-500 million of those and growing, who will eventually have to be dealt with one way or another). It is, on the other hand, very much in his interest (and ours) to isolate a more easily identifiable and “hate-able” subset of the Islamofascists, so that the AVERAGE reader (not your typical counter-jihad enthusiast mind you – since that would be preaching to the choir) may be encouraged to think about, if not actively rekindle, their own natural but long dormant spark of justifiable human hatred of real evil – a hatred that the PCMC narrative has tried long and hard to stamp out of humanity to the great enfeeblement and detriment of us all.
voegelinian says
“It is, on the other hand, very much in his interest (and ours) to isolate a more easily identifiable and “hate-able” subset of the Islamofascists, so that the AVERAGE reader (not your typical counter-jihad enthusiast mind you – since that would be preaching to the choir) may be encouraged to think about…”
But that subset is already activated in the mainstream (as the Tiny Minority of Extremists). What the mainstream is balking at is not the vilification of the subset (al Qaeda, ISIS, etc.) but their anxiously dreaded suspicion that a more searching, intelligent, intellectually thorough critique of the underpinnings of that subset lead to a broader critique where there are no definite lines — a disturbingly vague, systemic problem we cannot neatly delimit. The mainstream is afraid of this broadening potential and vilifies anyone in the West who dares to pursue a line of investigation or questioning that goes there; meanwhile, the Counter-Jihad seems to be anxiously concerned to assure the mainstream that it (the Counter-Jihad) is not going down that broad road.
Meanwhile, the mountains of evidence and oceans of dots keep nagging anyone with half a brain that the broader, disturbingly open-ended ramifications which indicate an uncontrollably systemic problem are, in fact, cogent. It would be nice if both sides of this discussion would stop tap-dancing around that broader problem.
Jay Airahs says
IRONIC
voegelinian said,
“It would be nice if both sides of this discussion would stop tap-dancing around that broader problem.”
voegelinian dilutes the simple with obfuscation
Islam is a pigbath
Jay Airahs says
Either / or
Either David French get on board with voeg or voeg will toss him to the sharks.
Edward says
voegelinian I certainly get your point…….whats going to keep these silent enablers from the Jihadis bandwagon, I say? Nothing, zilch or nada…..the majority of Muslims are, let’s say they are now in a standby mode; for the Jihadis and the standby Muslims read the very same Jihadi playbook, the Quran. Lets face it, the majority of the so called moderate Muslim are awaiting for that opportunity to indroduce their one-of-a-kind cultural they relish…sharia!
The standby Muslims are actually waiting for that time when their Patriots will win all the battles for them, against the unbelivers, and then thereafter extending their anti-culturism full-steam; clearing the path to that of a mono-culture way of lifestyle.
BTW, I don’t think that the moderates will ever come to their moral senses and try to civilize the fighting barbarians…..never will happen for their subjective conscious of both Muslim’s sectors share the same mindsets. It’s in their innate DNA, plus 1400 years of objective indoctrinaion thats why the Muslim world thinks and acts that way…..brash!
A side note: looking at the word Patriots…..you can see the word [riots] emmbedded….Mmm!
dlbrand says
Unless one loves darkness, death, murder, beheading, dismembering, disfiguring, incineration of live humans, imprisonment and debasing of females, etc., to know Islam is to hate Islam.
I know Islam; I disdain it.
John Stefan Obeda says
We must daily pray for these brave souls who know the truth and courageously they spread that truth to many people who are blind to the truth and don’t even want to hear it and then the Islamists dare to want to kill them. May God in His mercy protect all of these brave people and help all of us who also know the truth about Islam do what we can to spread it to others and then God help us to face the music and to do so for the sake of truth and for the sake of THE TRUTH. (i.e. Jesus). Jesus Himself wants us to spread the truth not only what He Himself teaches, but to also spread the great evils of the devil that Islam represents.
Uncle Vladdi says
“HATE!”?
I hate crimes and the criminals that commit them – don’t you? Hate is only the perfectly natural human response of perpetual anger towards ongoing injustices (like islam); without hate, nobody’d ever even bother to accuse any criminals of their crimes, and so hope to end those crimes. In fact, liberals today try to pretend there’s no such things as crime and criminals, because we’re really all only victims anyway! They’d make it “illegal” to accuse any criminals of their crimes, if doing so might hurt their feelings, and so “make” them commit even more crimes! But when they try to make “hate crimes” illegal, they really only ever end up making it illegal to hate crimes!
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BOTTOM LINE:
Liberals are racists: they always assume that ONLY White Western people (including, of course, the Jews in Israel,) are INTELLIGENT enough to be guilty of being truly evil, while all their pet “People Of Colour” (including the “swarthy palestinians”) being mentally inferior and all, just can’t help being enslaved by their instincts and emotions into acting as violent animals when frustrated, the poor oppressed little dears, so the liberals will always indulge their crimes, much as one ignores the new puppy as it pees on the rugs.
SO JUST STOP PICKING ON ALL THE THE POOR HELPLESS MENTALLY INFERIOR SWARTHY ANIMAL VICTIMS, YOU EVIL MENTALLY SUPERIOR WHITE BULLIES! YOU KNOW THEY’RE AT THE MERCY OF THEIR ANIMAL INSTINCTS SUCH THAT THEY JUST CAN’T HELP BEING VIOLENT WHEN CONFUSED, SO STOP BAITING AND CONFUSING THEM, YOU HATERS!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Liberals are racists: they always assume that ONLY White Western people (including, of course, the Jews in Israel,) are INTELLIGENT enough…
Anomalous to the people of color scam are the East Asians. Yellow is a color, as I understand. But Japanese, Koreans and Chinese don’t seem have membership in the liberal’s ever growing protected class of victims. Those crazy racial supremacist liberals have never explained this exception. Last I heard, everybody in California is pissed off that a hugely disproportionate percentage of the student body at Berkeley is Asian. I’ve always wondered if these Asian students receive admission preference on top their high SAT scores. But when talking race the news entertainers stick with labels and emotive facts, not boring stuff like whether Asians too are leverage racial discrimination in their favor by way of Affirmative Action law.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
That doesn’t explain the innumerable ordinary citizens who parrot and regurgitate the same PC MC memes. I know quite a few in my daily life (indeed the vast majority of those I know are that way). They can’t all be “shills” or “Leftists” or whatever other simplistic label you guys want to call them.
– Voegelinian
I don’t buy your argument. Nobody said ordinary people are shills or Marxists, we say that they are guided into a set of opinions by a news entertainer elite that sells any number of things ranging from being pro-Moslem to socialist to even the fake science of man-caused global warming. This is how fictive reality is built and maintained, a fake fact is repeated so often by so many elite persons regarded as credible that a fake fact becomes so broadly accepted as true that it may as well be.
And labels are not only necessary, they are a basic building block of human language. The key is whether they’re accurate.
voegelinian says
Nobody said ordinary people are shills or Marxists, we say that they are guided into a set of opinions by a news entertainer elite…
That’s the point. In order to explain the overarching myopia of the West, one reaches for the Dastardly Elite explanation; when one then points out that ordinary non-elites are expressing the same memes as the elites, one then reaches for the The People are Sheeple explanation. Certainly, relatively intelligent & decent people can be influenced and swayed, but not to this extent about something this dire. A reasonable speculation, guided by faith in the relative mental and cultural health of one’s Western societies, thus reasonably rules out certain explanations, such as the above two — leaving the only possible explanation, which is described as a paradigm shift in worldview in the last half century (give or take).
In thinking further about it, one reminds oneself that this paradigm must be a combination of bad and good, not simplistically demonizable. And so forth.
voegelinian says
I.e., the relative conformity of the ordinary people audience to the memes put out by the mainstream media is not demonstrating a one-way Indoctrination effect; but rather a mutual collusion whereby the audience for various complex cultural reasons is predisoposed to be receptive to the massage (re: Marshall McLuhan’s “Medium is the Massage”) of the memes. To put all the blame on “the Media” is to strangely demonize all the people who work in news & entertainment media as somehow a different class of beings from ordinary people; whereas this just doesn’t seem to be the case (with the exception of an actual tiny minority of elites); and it is also to treat ordinary people patronizingly as children or animals with no responsibility for the overall situation under analysis.
ronald says
i do believe there are many islamic people living here under the guise of peace loving kind and social acceptable acting individuals who have one thing in mind and that is destroying america from within.
Aussie Infidel says
I’ve met and spoken with Pamela Geller on a few occasions about the Islam issue, and I can say without any shadow of doubt, that she is one of the most knowledgeable, genuine and committed people I’ve ever met. She certainly knows our enemy far better than the vast majority of our political leaders. Like many of us who oppose Islam, Pamela acts not out of malice or hatred of Muslims per se, but from a hatred of their abominable ideology, and the sheer frustration at our ignorant and politically correct leaders who have allowed this social catastrophe to occur.
Islam is completely at odds with Western values and norms, and rejects the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in favor of its own Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam, which complies with its barbaric and discriminatory Sharia law. The Organization of Islamic Co-operation has been attempting to pass resolutions at the UN Human Rights Council, to criminalize any criticism of Islam, which of course, is just another tactic to silence any opposition. Muslims regard any criticizm of their prophet, or even drawing his image, as a crime punishable by death (Sharia law O8.7).
The opening words in Pamela’s book ‘STOP the ISLAMIZATION of AMERICA’ are, “Make no mistake. We are at war. Our mortal enemy has made no secret of its goals and stated aim: “Eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house.” This is a war, not of our making, but one which Muhammad declared on the rest of the World, and one of the fundamental tenets of Islam. Jihad or ‘holy war’ against all non-Muslims, is prescribed in the Quran (2:190-193, 2:216, 4:74, 8:24, 8:39, 9:5, 9:29, 9:73, 47:4, etc), and also in the ‘Reliance of the Traveller, a manual of sacred Islamic law’, (o9.0 – 9.15). Islam isn’t just another religion (as many people believe), but a criminal ideology hiding behind the veil of a religion.
When Islam stops hating kafirs, kafirs will stop hating Islam. And people like Pamela Geller will not have to waste her time opposing its hateful ideology – or its belligerent agenda to subjugate all other religions for Allah.