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Iraq warns jihad terror ‘spillover’ will affect entire world

May 24, 2015 8:15 am By Robert Spencer

Islamic State southern SyriaThis is why Hillary Clinton is wrong when she says, “This has to be fought by and won by the Iraqis.” This is not an Iraqi civil war. It is a much larger conflict than that — but that is something that the likes of Hillary Clinton are not disposed to admit.

Al Mutlaq is obviously correct when he says, “Terrorism is not plaguing Iraq alone but is spilling over. If it does, it will affect the stability and security of the whole world.” But in the West, our governments are pretending that the ever-increasing number of Muslims plotting jihad attacks in accord with calls from the Islamic State, and the also increasing number of Muslims trying to join the Islamic State, do not collectively constitute any manner of challenge that need be met with anything other than “outreach” and assurances that they’re aware that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam.

“Iraq warns terror ‘spillover’ will affect entire world,” by Dan Perry, Times of Israel, May 24, 2015:

SOUTHERN SHUNEH, Jordan (AP) — Mideast-weary though it may be, the international community has a duty and an interest in helping the countries of the region both rebuff violent extremists and fix the refugee crisis that in part has resulted from the fight with them — that was the message coming from the regional World Economic Forum Saturday.

“In Iraq and the region as a whole, the biggest challenge we face is extremism and terrorism, but this has repercussions at the international level,” said Iraqi Vice President Ayad Allawi.

“Terrorism is not plaguing Iraq alone but is spilling over,” agreed Saleh Muhammed Al Mutlaq, Iraq’s deputy prime minister. “If it does, it will affect the stability and security of the whole world. We cannot expect that any Arab country can fight terrorism without the help of the international community.”…

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  1. spot on says

    May 24, 2015 at 8:27 am

    What are the alternatives with this ME war? On thing is for certain, the Muslims are again revving up for a war against the kuffir in the West. This is a real worldwide fight to the death for the kuffir against Muslims. The battlefields are shaping (or being shaped) right before our very eyes, and we are trying to find alternatives.

    One alternative for many is to betray the kuffir and become a Muslim savage to forever worship Allah. Another possible alternative for many would be to deflect the fight by shaping the battlefield between Sunni and Shia but since both Sunni and Shia should soon have nukes, this would risk the annihilation of Israel (and the entire US). They would certainly cloak any attack on the US with plausible deniability but would brag about any Israeli attack. This alternative would also advance the position of anti-Semites everywhere.

    Since we now have a globalized world, we face a globalized long fight with Muslims which is nothing new except that Muslims remained somewhat non-globalized after the last Crusade, that is until Western immigration insanity began. Now with the Europe and US engaging in immigration insanity, Muslim’s see a way to take over the world and they are going for it while the 1400 year Sunni-Shia infighting continues. The benefit of this infighting for them is that they continually have on the job training to fight, which is to our disadvantage.

    One alternative would be to eliminate the ME source of money but the doves would scream foul. Another alternative would be to nuke them back to the 7th century where they really want to be, but the doves (and many very respectable thinking people too) would again scream foul. There hopefully are other alternatives and I would like to see more of them.

    Right now we can choose how we want to fight. This is a long term fight that is until both Sunni and Shia have their nukes. After that the fight time frame will accelerate exponentially. Until then we have choices we can make and none of the choices are easy ones. Many very respectable people still think that Muslims are thinking rational people. Washington egaomaniacs think no one can touch our strength while the Marxists and MSM have made their choice to become savage Muslims.

    Soon, all choices will disappear. If we delay choosing long enough, I believe most doves would go with the MSM to become a savage Muslim and have Allah (Satan)on their side. The MSM has long had Satan on their side anyway so this represents little change for them except for wearing the head rag.

    Of course, we have our best and brightest (B.O.) now choosing the alternatives for us. I believe he has already chosen to go with the MSM and that is why Dr. Thomas Sowell has said that B.O. may choose to surrender when we get attacked with Iranian nukes.

    • RonaldB says

      May 24, 2015 at 10:10 am

      I like that you tried to analyze the situation rationally, and for that reason, I will point out the inconsistencies in your post. Your heart is in the right place, but discussion is needed.

      In the first place, you are talking about supporting the established Muslim countries against ISIS, because of the danger of nuclear weapons. But, the danger of nuclear weapons comes from the Muslim countries like Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the wild joker North Korea. The previous government of Iraq, of Libya, and the present government of Syria also flirted with nuclear capabilities.So, the ISIS danger is logically separate from the nuclear danger.

      You mentioned nuking the Muslim countries as an alternative. Besides being totally immoral, it would also be ineffective and counter-productive. The real danger is Muslim immigration, as you correctly pointed out. Left to themselves, in their own countries, Muslims do not present an existential danger against a west determined to maintain its culture and borders. The more the US and allies sponsor dislocations in the Middle East, the stronger the pressure to take in refugees resulting in part from our policies. Quite frankly, there is no recovery from allowing Muslims to immigrate as citizens. They become organized quickly, and not only oppose any security measures, but oppose any discussion of Islam at all…and have the political clout to do so. In effect, they use the benefits of a free and representative society to gain the power to suppress that freedom.

      There are arguments pro and con concerning our deposing Saddam Hussein. In either case, our catastrophic mistake was to engage in nation-building, destroying the foundations of social control that were already in existence in Iraq. Do I feel in part responsible for the disaster the US has created in Iraq and Libya? Yes. I think it’s a moral blight on the US.

      But, then again, I’m not the most moral person in the world and have no intention of committing suicide because of my faults. So, I have no intention of agreeing to the suicide of the US because we made disastrous and immoral decision.

      I think our best strategy is to let the countries and ISIS fight it out. For sure, sell weapons to the Saudis as long as they can pay for them. Don’t intervene when Assad uses chemical weapons. The US is largely ignorant of the region and its divisions…especially since the White House banned any examination of Islamic doctrine by the US security and military in 2011. Let them alone and keep them over there.

      By the way, we are no longer beholden to the Saudis for oil. With fracking, offshore drilling, and shale oil, the west has enough production to meet its own strategic needs. The main obstacle is the US government, which vetoed the Keystone pipeline for mystical reasons. The Saudis have mainly money as their leverage, not oil.

      By the way, I’m also open to cutting back on out-and-out aid to Israel. But, there are things the US should do towards Israel:

      1) Continue to veto, oppose, and criminalize all international attempts to enforce a boycott or sanction against Israel, especially by the UN;

      2) Maintain military contacts with Israel as long as Israel is able to reciprocate through technology or strategic support. This includes joint weapons development;

      3) Allow Israel to handle its own problems, including territorial disputes, land use, apartment-building, and wars with Hamas and Hezbullah. The US should not be officially involved in whether Israel builds apartments in some particular block or not.

      Israel is an outpost of the West in the Middle East, as the Muslim groups correctly see. To the extent that Islam opposes democracy and individual freedoms, including freedom of religion, Muslims will oppose Israel. It doesn’t matter whether Israel gives up East Jerusalem, or its defensible borders. It’s Islamic doctrine, not Israel’s actions, that is the problem.

      So, if ISIS attacks Israel from Syria, and Hamas and Hezbullah use their rockets simultaneously, it will be an existential threat to Israel. Israel, to survive, will have to react brutally and decisively. It’s better now to establish the principle of not involving the US too intimately in Israels affairs, which is why I recommend cutting back on explicit aid to Israel, leaving Israel the freedom to act as it must.

      • spot on says

        May 24, 2015 at 11:19 am

        This subject should be discussed and re-discussed. All views need to be taken into account because we seriously do not have the answer.

        We may have disagreements but all points should be reviewed as a think tank would brain storm a problem. A serious decision to use nukes at this point (I agree) would be immoral but I also believe that if survival of civilization is at stake, this would change. This would be thinking the unthinkable now but if Iran gets nukes and we have North Korea with them to consider, all calculations would change. Stark outcomes for us could easily be projected with little or no current defenses in place. Experts have little or no disagreement that a huge portion of our population could easily be wiped out by an Iranian nukes.

        • VRWC member77 says

          May 24, 2015 at 11:54 am

          Spot,

          You and Ronald and I’m sure almost everyone on JH believe the most tangible immediate action the U,S, can take to deal with this crises is stop all immigration and VISA application of self identified Muslims from ANY country.

          We know this will never happen through the present executive branch unless there was major undeniable pressure put upon it. Two filthy lying self-serving COWARDS named boehner and mcconnell control the governmental institutions that provide the means for that pressure. Because of who and what they are this will also never happen.

          I’m not sure what to do at this point. I’m just trying to focus on the primary cause of our dilemma. Suggestions or other points of view are welcome.

        • Demsci says

          May 24, 2015 at 2:26 pm

          And THIS time, by “convert” I do NOT mean “reform Islam” I mean why don;t we, the Israeli;s, start the long road of really converting Muslims from Islam to our ideology?! Yes, I mean their apostasy! But towards something better, not by letting them only lose something so precious in their eyes.

          And we can give them new “families’, network, protection”, that cannot be the problem either.

      • Demsci says

        May 24, 2015 at 2:21 pm

        Great comment, RonaldB. I agree with you; letting the Muslims fight it out in their own countries. And also on the potential catastrophic nature of substantial Islamic immigration into the West.

        I also found the analysis of Spot On most interesting. And I am at a loss what to do next, but …
        who ARE “we”? I propose “we” are not the “neutrals”, among whom are the supporters and enablers of Islam, blocking “us”. For now I don;t even want to involve them.

        I propose that “we” are true DEMOCRATIC CITIZENS, abiding by the 5 pillars of Democracy and the constitutions of Western Democratic nations. “We” should NOT be just “free consumers” who are afraid to “lose” our freedom and luxuries. “We” too are PROPONENTS of something.

        Now, Islamic countries pose no real threat, except the nuclear threat. But that can be answered with our nukes so decisively that it will be Islam that will be almost wiped out, while our style of Democracy has a much better chance of survival, due to it being widespread and better armed.

        If otherwise the Islamic countries pose no danger, then “our” biggest problem is huge Islamic immigrationg. And since “we” does not include the :”neutral majority” our problem also is the attitude of the “neutral majority”, but in the sense that they will keep allowing the Muslims to immigrate, they will never allow any discrimination. So we need a different strategy.

        Note; Under these circumstances I in no way discourage any one of counterjihad to do what is necessary for defense. Albeit within some.moral borders.

        BUT what I continually miss among counterjihadists is, well, a “counter-offensive”.

        I mean, why do we not try to find, formulate and form a MEANINGFUL IDEOLOGY of our own? Mimicking the success-factors of Islam, which are : “something spiritual, meaningful, with Most Important Guiding Texts that UNITE (yes Muslims are still strong in uniting!).

        And I am not talking about ONE IOTA of Islamic theology, only about that principle of adhering to something spiritual, meaningful. That we have, in abundance! That we defend! But that we almost never mention, repeat, are shouting from the rooftops. Because we take it for granted!

        But WITH a meaningfull Democratic Ideology, and cooperation among adherents (and NOT with the damn neutrals) which is yet to be formulated and organized,

        we can at least TRY to convert many of the smart Muslims. And if that would be succesful then the threat of Muslim immigration could be countered.

        And we could offer help to beleaguered Muslims attacked by ISIS and the Shiite Bloc, but on condition that OUR IDEOLOGY get’s more free reign in their Islamic countries.

        Why do I always only hear of defense, and so little about a counter-offensive, on the level of the Islamic threat?!

      • gravenimage says

        May 24, 2015 at 9:50 pm

        Good post, Ronald B—I largely agree, except for this one point:

        “It’s better now to establish the principle of not involving the US too intimately in Israels affairs, which is why I recommend cutting back on explicit aid to Israel, leaving Israel the freedom to act as it must.”

        I believe it is more important than ever to show that we are *not* abandoning Israel. Not only is this morally repugnant, but it will also greatly embolden Muslims if they believe little Israel stands alone.

      • Arthur says

        May 24, 2015 at 11:53 pm

        Not sure I follow your argument entirely. If the US ceases to be involved in the middle east, do you honestly think that will reduce our chances of being attacked with nuclear weapons by any Islamic country? (e.g. “Let them kill all the Coptics and they will leave us alone…) If Iran has intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads, do you think they are going to hold off until the next “Draw Mohammed” contest before they launch them? Or do you believe that Islamic nations have a higher moral code than the West and would never actually use nuclear weapons?

        I don’t think the use of nuclear weapons is “totally immoral,” any more than I think winning WWII was “totally immoral.” Nuclear weapons are, really, just bigger bombs that kill more people (and have certain environmental negatives too, of course). Why is it moral to kill people in small batches, but not large batches? You don’t argue the point at all. One might as well make the arbitrary argument that TNT bombs are OK, but higher grade explosives are immoral because they work better.

        I actually find your argument mainly isolationist, a la “not my problem,” and “if I don’t look at the middle east, then middle east won’t look at me.” Do you think this strategy would have worked for Lebanon?

        How about,
        1. USA declares war against the Islamic State, recognizing it as our adversary.
        2. We recognize the ideology of the Islamic State as the ideology of our enemy and outline those Koranic passages upon which preaching or acting is considered treason (i.e. fair warning in change of policy). Of course, no one proclaiming loyalty to the enemy is granted entry to the country.
        3. We offer refuge (tactical evacuation operations) for non-Muslims trapped in our enemy’s boundaries. (That’s the moral thing to do–has nothing to do with self preservation.)
        4. We nuke the cities that represent the central government of our enemy. There is no distinction between civilian and military targets when the entire population choses to be militarized in war. Any conscientious objectors are already killed by the Islamic State itself, anyway.

        Seeing our overwhelming, immediate, and almost effortless victory over the Islamic State (not withstanding a little radioactive fallout), we then have the clout to tell Pakistan to surrender its weapons and Iran and Saudi to cease all efforts to acquire nuclear weapons, lest they suffer the same fate. This is the way you deal with bullies. Speak softly and carry a big stick. It doesn’t work to speak softly and carry a wet noodle. Islam is the bully ideology. That’s as close to “nip it in the bud” as we have left.

        • TH says

          May 25, 2015 at 12:38 am

          With the military assets the U.S. now has, from the military point of view, I don’t see any need for it to nuke anyone. What is needed is a President no a friki like Obama. Why did the Iranains release the hostages when Raegan was elected? The answeris obvious. They realized that they were not dealing with an idiot like Carter or Obama and it is also posisble that he made a credible threat against them. They are not stupid. Things could chagne quickly once the American people realize that there is a tremendous danger and they are willing to elect a real President, not another idiot such as Clinton.

      • spot on says

        May 25, 2015 at 6:40 am

        Seeing all the comments makes it obvious to me at least that with our corrupt politicians in charge, we have no options. We are heading right into the jaws of the Islamic shark. I doubt that Europe has over 5-10 years left. Maybe our people will wake up and throw out the corrupt establishment leadership and all the other corrupt people in Washington when they see what happens in Europe.

        Reading all the comments, the picture for me gets clear. If we stop Muslim Immigration, keep them poor, and stop them from getting nukes, they can go on their way to kill each other for the next 1400 years and hopefully not bother us. This probably all changes when Europe falls into their hands or they get nukes.

        The Basic Muslim strategy

        Phase I: Migrate Muslims to the West in relatively large numbers to establish a political beachhead.

        Phase II: Master nuclear weapons.

        Phase III: When or if the West wakes up and starts struggling to get off the immigration hook when the timing looks right, threaten or attack the the West with nukes. (If many of the Western Muslims get killed in this process, they simply become martyrs for Allah.)

        With mastery of nukes, Muslims have the ability to destroy advanced Western infrastructure and thrust the West back to the 1800’s where large numbers of uncivilized backward Muslims know how to live but Western civilized people can not survive this environment. We currently have no defense for this kind of nuke attack. Our leaders are fully aware of this threat and do nothing while they increase Muslim immigration and close their eyes to ongoing Muslim nuke programs.

        Our Western leaders are like Jim Jones, they are on a mass suicide mission right before our eyes.

        • xxxChurch100 says

          May 25, 2015 at 7:10 am

          Spot on , if you are interested in the true Islamic ” milestone ” agenda which was outlined in detail and published in 2005 ……. it covers how and what was being set in place, and exactly what is happening worldwide just Utube ; Clare Lopez talks with Q society in Sydney 2014 .

          It is an eye opener !! hope you ” like ” it or find it interesting anyway .

        • spot on says

          May 25, 2015 at 9:47 am

          xxxChurch100,

          Thanks you so much. Excellent video. It looks like I see the same thing as this scholarly group.

          My use of Muslims as all inclusive, disturbs many because we all know that many Muslims are benign. However they all read and love the same Koran while they tacitly lend support for Jihadists. The Koran (and Sharia law) assures there will always be an ample supply of Jihadists to plan for our destruction and rein in terror as has been the case for over 1400 years.

          In WWII, all Germans were suspect until they proved they did not subscribe to the goals of the Third Reich and Hitler. The Aryans were denounced and ridiculed into submission. We also de-fanged the Japanese religion. Germany is submissive to the world to this day. We will not find any Muslim who will not subscribe to the Koran and I see absolutely no effort to de-fang their religion. With the left, the opposite is true.

          This is why I see such a dismal forecast with Muslim immigration and especially when the Jihadists get nukes, With nukes, they will bludgeon the world into submission or die trying. To think otherwise is to ignore 1400 years of experience with these people.

      • spot on says

        May 25, 2015 at 10:03 am

        RonaldB, You mentioned that the best strategy is to keep them fighting against each other (Sunni vs. Shia). I agree but we can’t let them have nukes and we need to keep them poor. As you say, immigration must be halted completely and regressed. Those that are allowed to stay in the West must subscribe to our values, not Islamic values.

        As VRWC pointed out, our corrupt politicians will not do any of these things and we first need to get new politicians.

        • spot on says

          May 25, 2015 at 2:12 pm

          RG, I’m with you 100%. All Koran believing Muslims should be treated like rattlesnakes. The benign ones that I mentioned, are those few who are newbies to Muslimhood and do not understand. These are mostly some of the libs that joined a Mosque and think Muslims are neat but haven’t really gotten into Islam as yet.

    • TH says

      May 25, 2015 at 12:32 am

      If either of them get nukes, the whole thing will make previous wars look like a fight in the playground. WIth people like Obama and Clinton as well as European “leaders” the matter is only going to get worse.

  2. mortimer says

    May 24, 2015 at 8:36 am

    “We cannot expect that any Arab country can fight terrorism without the help of the international community.”

    We’ve witnessed that. Arabs don’t have a willingness to stand and fight. The Iraqi officers turned and ran, leaving their troops to be executed gangster-style by ISIS. Arab loyalty is to their tribe, rather than to their countries.

    • umbra says

      May 24, 2015 at 9:49 am

      Cowards (on both sides) expect others to fight for them in order to win.

    • Susan says

      May 24, 2015 at 10:10 am

      No don’t interfere, we should let them kill each other. What we can do, and should do is deport any muslims that act up against their host country whether they are first or fifth generation. If they are not true citizens yet they never will be. And of course, stop letting these letches colonize free countries. My number one solution is to ban this evil cult period. I can dream.

      • t. says

        May 24, 2015 at 12:30 pm

        “My number one solution is to ban this evil cult period.”

        That is absolutely true, seriously!

    • spot on says

      May 24, 2015 at 10:15 am

      “Arabs don’t have a willingness to stand and fight.”

      This is true only of Muslim Arabs. Christian Arabs either vacate, get killed, or fight.

    • Jack Diamond says

      May 24, 2015 at 12:58 pm

      Not simply tribe, it was a matter of Syrian (Shi’a) soldiers who chose not to fight and die over Sunni Palmyra. Humpty Dumpty Iraq may never be put together again. It would be better to be supporting the tribal resistance to the Islamic State AND the Iranian militias, there is some, than to be relying on the Qods Force commander who is directing the current show with militias that act every bit as badly as the despicable ISIS when they take control. This could be seen as another Iran-Iraq war depleting both camps and the camp of Islam, drawing tens of thousands of the worst to flock to the Islamic State where they can be eliminated, or breaking the back of shi’a-led Iran (the worst part being the genocide of Christian and other minorities)….except the Caliphate is claiming hegemony over all Muslims and has re-declared (al Qaeda’s) war on America by killing Americans, calling for attacks in America by Muslims residing in America, and warning/boasting of apocalyptic strikes to come against America. To the degree they are successful the reluctance toward a devastating U.S. response will inevitably lessen. What would be an advance would be not a fight against a name (al Qaeda, ISIS–as if that alone is the fight) but against the idea driving it–Jihad in all its manifestations, shari’a by hook or crook, Islam in itself. Then there might be some slim chance of a genuine strategy. Probably decades from now, given our learning curve.

      • Darren says

        May 24, 2015 at 3:16 pm

        What about arming the Kurds? As much as I dislike the religion of islam, the Kurds have shown themselves to be a lot more secular and sane than other tribes of islam. Minorities are also treated decent within Kurdish territory. I don’t see stories about Christian churches being burnt down or attacked within Kurdish territory. Why is that? I believe the Kurdish people have developed a cultural identity outside of islam to some degree. I always hear the counter argument what about Turkey? Well what about them? Turkey is aligned with the muslim brotherhood big time. Turkey should no longer be considered an ally, they are a loose cannon with the same agenda the islamic state has.

        http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/leading-islamic-voice-calls-for-reconquering-jerusalem/
        Leading Islamic voice calls for reconquering Jerusalem

        Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on his countrymen to refocus on the Ottoman goal of re-conquering Jerusalem for Islam and uniting Shia and Sunni tribes for that same mission.

        • Darren says

          May 24, 2015 at 3:23 pm

          Also the Kurds have proven themselves on the battlefield time and time again. The Iraq army runs with the overwhelming advantage in men and firepower, the Kurds despite often being out gunned equipment wise, fight and stand their ground. The Kurdish Republic could also house all of the oppressed minorities including the Christians within it’s territory. I support the Kurds for these reasons, but there is also a much more Machiavellian reason why it makes sense.

          The Kurds are surrounded other tribes who hate them, if the leader of Turkey had his way he’d engage in ethnic cleansing, the Chinese and Russian back the shiite axis. So the Kurds are stuck between a rock and a hard place. We’ve also had a good relationship with them for years, I don’t see stories of Kurdish suicide bombers attacking western forces within Kurdish territory for instance, or blue on green attacks like in Afghanistan.

          They also act as a counter balance to other ambitions in the region, if they were properly armed. If the U.S doesn’t do this, I hope Israel realizes what a great chance this is. They also have oil, so we or Israel could establish a good business relationship with them, and encourage investment within Kurdish territory. A win win for all parties involved. Why the western powers don’t do this leaves me scratching my head.

        • Darren says

          May 24, 2015 at 3:36 pm

          Muslim Brotherhood Threatens to Attack Egypt From Turkey
          http://shoebat.com/2015/02/09/muslim-brotherhood-threatens-attack-egypt-turkey/

          The islamic state seems to be a proxy force for Turkey serving several purposes. I think the islamic state is the pretender caliphate, and the real threat of a new caliphate comes from Turkey itself. Also why do we support the muslim brotherhood?

        • Jack Diamond says

          May 24, 2015 at 5:19 pm

          The Kurds are interested in Kurdistan, not Iraq. Understandable since they were first offered an independent state after World War I only to have the offer vanish thanks to the Turks and Britain’s desire to form this thing called “Iraq”– and the Arabs have treated them like shit (only some 200,000 were killed under Sadaam) ever since. Yes, they have been our best ally and proved to be the best fighters in the region–they defeated ISIS in Kobani and with their women, too!

          A couple of caveats. The Kurdish military wing that has fought ISIS in Syria is considered part of the PKK, the Kurdistan Workers Party, which the U.S. and NATO list as a terrorist entity. That complicates things. The PKK is also compromised by being involved in major narcotics trafficking. The Kurds are valuable allies, as you say, strategically. As for their brand of Islam, we shouldn’t forget the Kurds did take part in the massacres of Armenian Christians (though some Kurds protected them and the Kurds do at least acknowledge the genocide and their role in it). That said, I support your contention. It just won’t defeat the Islamic State.

          Turkish tanks stood by while the Kurds were besieged. The Turks allowed ISIS fighters across their border into Syria, but not arms or fighters for the Kurds. ISIS was fighting Turkey’s enemies, Assad and the Kurds both (lately Erdogan is offering a peace treaty with the PKK) why would they want that to cease?

          Turkey is no ally, nor should they be in NATO. As for Erdogan, no doubt he fancies himself reviving the Ottoman Caliphate from his ugly billion dollar palace with 1,150 rooms, the Great Man even has devotees calling him Messenger of Allah, or even more aptly is this admirer:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOyAEyF3OLU
          “We are the hair in Erdogan’s ass!” Of course you are.

        • voegelinian says

          May 24, 2015 at 5:25 pm

          Kurds are Sunni Muslims, which automatically means they are terrorists and/or terror enablers, ipso facto. Just because a variety of circumstances (cultural, tribal, geopolitical, etc.) mitigate their ability to pursue their Islam in Islamic ways (which automatically = eternal war against all things good), doesn’t mean they still aren’t what they are. I’m not opposed to using various factions of Muslims in expedient ways if they can be useful to our larger goal of containing and managing Islam; but we should never be so naively gullible as to believe that their temporary usefulness for our purposes suddenly transforms them into good people with a good culture.

        • Jack Diamond says

          May 24, 2015 at 6:30 pm

          My point was it makes strategic sense to support Kurdistan but not that the Kurds represent another kind of Islam. There is just less Islam and more Islam. Kurds have slaughtered Christians in the past, right along with the Turks. I neglected to mention the accusation of continued brutalities against Assyrian Christians, too, by the Kurds.

          Why have we supported the Muslim Brotherhood? I suppose you could call it the Muslim good cop-bad cop routine only good jihadi-bad jihadi in this case. It’s too infuriating to go into. Much of it willful stupidity, some of it treasonable.

        • Darren says

          May 24, 2015 at 6:37 pm

          I’m of a mixed opinion. While it is true due to their situation, they are constrained, and it’s possible if the shoe was on the other foot, they very well might behave just as crazy as the other wonderful tribes of islam. But I also think when it comes to islam. many Kurds are a lot less radical, at least now anyway.

          Maybe someone who has actually been there can refute me, since I won’t claim to be an expert on Kurdish affairs. It just looks that way from things I’ve read, is this situational, or are they more secular than the other muslim tribes, I guess this would make an interesting debate. I’d like to hear from people who share both opinions, and see the evidence both sides have to support their positions.

          What is the alternative though Voegel? We can’t enact a scorched earth policy, for a variety of reasons, backing the Iraq central government means we are helping Iran, backing the Sunni tribes could backfire since, how many of them share allegiance or sympathies to the islamic state, how do we vet them properly?

          And as you said the sunni and shiite are two sides of the same coin. Now by backing the Kurdish play, we p*ss off Turkey, at the same time Turkey is allied with the muslim brotherhood and has their own agenda, an agenda that doesn’t align with our own. (I hope). I understand you are advocating the ideal solution, but realistically that’s not going to happen, at least at this current time.

          Could we use Israel as our third party to back the Kurds covertly? For instance if we wish to transfer arms and money, could we keep our hands clean while making Turkey none the wiser, or some other third party? Like I said I understand you want the ideal solution, we go in wipe everyone out kick ass and take names, but that’s not going to happen. So what solution would be in our best interests given the horrible circumstances? That’s what I’m getting at.

        • Jack Diamond says

          May 24, 2015 at 10:46 pm

          There are no solutions. We don’t need more clever schemes that aren’t clever at all.
          Our concern is for what threatens us (speaking as an American) and if the Islamic State threatens us then the scorched earth policy will be the only answer. There is nothing to negotiate and no one to negotiate with. Of course, the Iranians or someone (Jordan?) may save us the trouble, but I doubt it. Other than that, rescue the Christians.

        • Darren says

          May 25, 2015 at 9:51 am

          When I said scorched earth policy I meant in regards to islam itself, not the islamic state. I agree the islamic state is a threat. I’m against sending ground troops in though, enough U.S and allied soldiers have died in that hell hole. Also since many of our other supposed allies in the region are arming jihadists, why should our guys be sent into the meat grinder. I actually agree with Obama in regards to this.

          We can help friendly forces in the region, but why get our troops involved in a fight between mad dogs. Or if we are going to send any kinds of ground forces, just send enough to help our planes identify targets on the ground better. You are right the Kurds mainly care about Kurdistan, which is understandable, since they simply want a homeland to call their own, the shiite Iraqi central government cares more about the fate of the shiite than the good of the whole country, and the sunni, are a mixed bag, many see the islamic state as their army against the shiite, and many others hate the islamic state.

          I think unifying the country again under one centralized government is a pipe dream at this point in time. I’ve read reports that many in the intel community also think it’s impossible at this point as well. So if the country won’t be unified what faction should we back, and which would make sense and give us the best advantage geo politically? What are the pros and cons for each respective faction, and at the end of the day what is the most pragmatic and realistic solution?

          The Kurds only care about Kurdistan, and if this is the case who cares? Will backing them extend our power and influence in the region? Will they be a reliable ally? At the end of the day none of the warring factions give a d*mn about the unified Iraq. I view it as a turf war between rival gangs. I know my viewpoint sounds pretty dark, but it’s also the reality of the situation, there are no unicorns or rainbows in regards to this situation.

          I think when you factor in everything backing the Kurdish play makes the most sense. I know Turkey is the thing people worry about, but they aren’t our ally despite what people think. They’ll take our weapons and help, but they have their own agenda, and a very islamist one at that. That wasn’t always the case, but Erdogan is a mini Hitler with grand ambitions.

      • TH says

        May 25, 2015 at 12:45 am

        The first thing that needs to be done is to purge America and the rest of the West of mosques and madrasses which are promoting jihad and being financed by Saudi Arabia. The Koran itself is a book which promotes terrorism and the killing of everyone else except muslimns, so that Islam could be declared a dangerous cult and muslims who are not legally in the country be expelled. Once the mosques are closed, then the peaceful muslims could be offered money to leave, and if they have double citizenship be forced to leave also giving them money. It is money well spent as they are no use to any society and they have no work ethic and due to inbreeding they are a danger to the whole society and the health system, besides have an average IQ of about 82-84, whiltst the normal average is 100.

        • Darren says

          May 25, 2015 at 10:03 am

          While I agree with you, at the moment we lack the political capital to make that happen. It would take something really horrible like cities being nuked to sway public opinion to support such a position. Since we lack the political capital to make such a plan happen, what else can we do? How do we get to point A to point B to point C. We keep describing the end game, without filling in all the blanks between point A to point C.

          There is what we want to happen, and the reality of the situation on the ground. How can we develop a realistic plan and strategy to make some of those things happen? Many people on this site are far better educated about this and many other topics, which is why I’m curious of peoples ideas. I’ve learned just as much reading peoples comments as I did reading the articles. The comments section compliments this site very well, since there are some very brilliant people on this site.

  3. sidney penny says

    May 24, 2015 at 8:38 am

    Robert

    Do you agree the the condition placed by the Iraq Government in discriminating against certain minority groups has lead to an increase in terror in Iraq?

    If so does not some responsibility rest on the Iraq government to prevent terror rather than all fall on the
    shoulders of the international community?

    • gravenimage says

      May 24, 2015 at 10:39 pm

      Sidney, I would not presume to speak for Robert, but here is my take.

      Muslims *always* discriminate against minorities—Infidels, especially, but also minority-sect Muslims and even ethnic minorities, such as the Berbers in the Mahgreb or Darfurians in Sudan.

      When Sunni Saddam Hussein was in power, he discriminated against the majority-Shi’ites. When he was toppled, and the US and coalition forces hoped to institute democracy, majority-Shia naturally (naturally for Islam, that is) used this as an opportunity to marginalize and oppress Sunnis.

      So—yes—Sunnis are nominally acting in part with “revenge” for oppression under the Iraqi government (as well as by oppression in Syria, where Alawite Bashir has been loosely backed by Shi’ite Iran). But this only holds to a point—Sunnis would oppress Shi’ites *anyway* wherever the got the chance.

      And Sunni/Shi’ite violence has begun to surface in the West, as well, where there is no favoritism—or even awareness, in many cases—of the split between these sects at all.

      Ultimately, I don’t think this line is a very profitable one to follow in terms of offering motivation—except in the general sense that Muslims *always* oppress and brutalize any vulnerable minority, regardless of the specifics.

      • Peggy says

        May 24, 2015 at 11:31 pm

        So in conclusion we should never have gone into Iraq in the first place. If we had stayed out of that area altogether and let them deal with their own sh!t we would not have the invaders coming into our countries in such numbers.
        Saddam was brutal but who did we care? Maybe he had to be brutal in order to keep some sort of peace there. Christians were never to brutalized in Iraq until we topped Saddam. Why did we give a damn about the Kurds when now it’s the Christians paying the price of Saddam’s demize? Why try to overthrow Gaddafi when again he was not after the Christians but kept his opposition in check.
        Without these dictators the place has erupted. Muslims cannot cope with democracy. They need dictators and brutal dictators at that.
        We should have left that place alone. At least they wren’t attacking us. 9/11 was a Saudi job so we should’ve gone afte them.

  4. David says

    May 24, 2015 at 8:43 am

    The thing that nobody wants to accept is that you can’t fight an ideology with guns but with another ideology that can win more hearts and minds.

    Does the world have another ideology to win over the Muslim world away from extremism? Unless it does it’s going to take an undreamed of horror to bring everyone back to their senses and work for world peace as they should be.

    What ever happened to the Cause of World Peace?

    The failure of the world to establish world peace has emboldened terrorists to forge ahead trying to establish their own Islamic Order. They don’t want their fate determined by the west so the world must come together and work things out as Baha’u’llah said and they will be forced to.

    The world miserable failed with both the League of Nations and the United Nations and with nothing to fill the vacuum terrorism and fanaticism is moving in and taking hold everywhere.

    The coming calamities will decide humanity’s fate and swing it back on course towards world peace, the course it should have been in all along. Peace is inevitable but unfortunately because other priorities have placed the world off course we will need a wake up call.

    This is what the world will do sooner or later either voluntarily or after massive destruction……….

    “The time must come when the imperative necessity for the holding of a vast, an all-embracing assemblage of men will be universally realized. The rulers and kings of the earth must needs attend it, and, participating in its deliberations, must consider such ways and means as will lay the foundations of the world’s Great Peace amongst men. Such a peace demandeth that the Great Powers should resolve, for the sake of the tranquillity of the peoples of the earth, to be fully reconciled among themselves. Should any king take up arms against another, all should unitedly arise and prevent him. If this be done, the nations of the world will no longer require any armaments, except for the purpose of preserving the security of their realms and of maintaining internal order within their territories. This will ensure the peace and composure of every people, government and nation.” – Baha’u’llah

  5. David says

    May 24, 2015 at 8:50 am

    The world will have to convene an international conference to put world peace back on the agenda.

    Notice we only were moved to address problems when we had two world wars the first resulting in the League of Nations and the next the UN which both failed.

    So next we will have to install a workable system that arrests terrorism.

    • voegelinian says

      May 25, 2015 at 2:20 pm

      There will have to be a world conference on the problem of Islam. In order for that to work, the Western powers who will participate have to graduate along the Learning Curve — at least to some degree better than their currently abysmal ignorance on the matter.

      I speculated about this back in early March:

      The Inferential Future
      http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-inferential-future.html

  6. cs says

    May 24, 2015 at 9:07 am

    Clinton is right, this war is doing a great job at revealing what Islam is all about. Just evacuate the Christians, and let the sunni and shia kick each other asses.

    • cs says

      May 24, 2015 at 9:13 am

      And as Daniel Pipes stated, when people in the West start to get seriously affected by these goat Fxckers things will change, so it is a matter of time really, it is so perfect that i find it rather amusing.

    • TH says

      May 25, 2015 at 12:51 am

      Christians have been in those lands for 2000 years. Just take up the Bible and read the Acts of the Apostles and you will find that out. Islam took over those lands by the sword and have been brutalizing Christians there for 1400 years. Christians have a right to be there as it is their ancelstral land and their forefathers were there before there was ever such a thing as an Arab empire and Islam, which was cooked up later as a religious support for that empire.

  7. Angemon says

    May 24, 2015 at 9:12 am

    At best, Hillary Clinton is criminally arrogant and so eager to prove that her world view is correct that she’ll stop at nothing to force it up on everyone else. At worse she’s in cahoots with the enemy. Doesn’t really matter from where I’m standing – if Hillary wins the next elections I’ll start volunteering to all and every space-colonizing projects I can find, no matter how suicidal they may be.

    • quotha raven says

      May 25, 2015 at 4:38 pm

      Oh, no! Angemon!!! If you should end up setting up housekeeping on Mars, I (along with many, many other JWers) hope you take along your working I-phone, so you can continue to make your articulate, , stylish posts here. We should miss your intelligence and wisdom if you were to zoom off into space…Don’t go! Cheers! QuothaR

      • Angemon says

        May 25, 2015 at 4:49 pm

        Don’t worry, QR. If I end up on Mars, I’ll look for any kind of intelligent life to take as allies – if the, erm “fringe archeology” folks (or, as I usually say, the people with minds so open that they see things that aren’t there) are correct and the Mahabharata is a record of wars among aliens, it wouldn’t hurt to have a “God” on our side ;). A “God” and futuristic weapons. Yeah, screw the “God” – give me futuristic weapons and let’s see if allah can protect the kaabaa 😀

  8. Lesley says

    May 24, 2015 at 9:48 am

    This is so unbelievably frustrating for me. At my core, I consider myself a liberal, and the liberal left is completely out of their minds. I don’t identify with anything they are doing with our national security, health care, immigration, and on and on. How can it be that the faction that is traditionally for women’s rights and gay rights is holding our own population hostage by targeting small-business conservatives over gay rights, supporting Muslim blasphemy laws and degrading our first amendment rights, and taking millions from states like the Saudis who are so diametrically opposed to our vision of human rights and human dignity that they can’t seem to hire enough executioners to do their beheadings? How does Clinton sleep at night?

    Cultural relativism is a total failure. We should in no way do business with or support any state that allows or embraces atrocious Sharia. Can Hillary Clinton read for herself, or has Huma Abedin so climbed into her ear with her whispering that she really believes that Islam is a religion of peace? What kind of drugs are Clinton, Kerry, and Obama on that facilitate this great lead curtain of denial that they are behind?

    The leaders of this administration shouldn’t be running for President, they should be in prison for treason against our country. Their neglect is putting the US, and our whole civilization, in grave danger. Grr!

    • RonaldB says

      May 24, 2015 at 10:21 am

      “How can it be that the faction that is traditionally for women’s rights and gay rights is holding our own population hostage by targeting small-business conservatives over gay rights…”

      Good question, Lesley.

      My answer is that the NOW, the left-wing gay rights organizations no more have the interests of women or gays in mind than the Freedom from Religion foundation has the interests of atheists in mind.

      In all cases, the issue under focus is really a cover for communism and government fascism. In all cases, the real objective is to dissolve the cultural strengths of US society, and replace the separate institutions with the gray color of bureaucracy. The claim of “diversity” is really a cover for dismantling any separate institutional identities.

      As for asking how Clinton can sleep at night: I think it is time to realize that the leaders who are shepherding the US to disaster are doing so with full knowledge, and either don’t care or actively wish for that result. There is no appeal or knowledge that will change Clinton’s approach because the assumption that she has a conscience or wishes any ultimate benefit for the people of the US is incorrect. I have no idea what her internal state is, but I do know her actions have been consistent for many years. There is no action of hers that can be explained by the presence of the concept of “conscience”. Similarly for our other executive leaders.

      • RonaldB says

        May 24, 2015 at 12:58 pm

        @RonaldB:
        I completely agree with you. There is no other logical explanation for the actions of our leaders than that they must have an agenda that is served by the crisis they are staging in front of our eyes.

        Why are they bent on dismantling separate institutional identities? Why would they want to steer us toward communism and government fascism? This ridiculous denial by our leaders of the obvious dangers that Islam brings to our civilization is more frightening than ISIS. What do leaders like Clinton and Obama stand to benefit by inviting the 9/11 like disasters that are likely ahead of us?

      • voegelinian says

        May 24, 2015 at 5:28 pm

        The answer to Lesley’s question is less complicated. It can be summed up in two words: Reverse Racism.

        For the Left and for the Left’s decaffeinated cousin, PC MC, the anxious concern to avoid being “racist” and “bigoted” against what they perceive to be an Ethnic People, as a way to assuage their eternal White Guilt, trumps all other liberal values they may believe in.

        • Western Canadian says

          May 24, 2015 at 5:49 pm

          I don’t use the term ‘reverse racism’, as it implies a response or seeking justice (not in my mind, just the idiots who hide behind it and its similar meme :only whites can be racist etc.).

          I prefer the term ‘politically correct racism’ as being much more accurate, and also draws attention to the evil that is PC, exposing it for what it is: just another fascist power grab.

        • voegelinian says

          May 24, 2015 at 10:44 pm

          Well, you’re right that the PC MC impulse is racism, but I wouldn’t simplify it quite to the point of accusing it of sheer evil, because I think for many who hold it (in varying degrees), they feel it sincerely to be righteously on the side of the angels. Thus their racism is also at the same time, in their minds, an anti-racism. This description has the advantage of avoiding a demonization of many who aren’t evil, as it would be a most curious perspective to conclude that so many tens of millions of Westerners are evil.

        • Angemon says

          May 25, 2015 at 6:04 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “I wouldn’t simplify it quite to the point of accusing it of sheer evil, because I think for many who hold it (in varying degrees), they feel it sincerely to be righteously on the side of the angels”

          Should we not quite accuse nazis of being evil then? Or jihadis? Jihadis think they’re doing the right thing, as ordered by allah. Are you trying to defend Nazis and jihadis, voeg?

          Frankly, your excusing of evil disturbingly reeks of cultural relativism and PC MC – “oh, we shouldn’t say they’re evil. After all, they think what they’re doing is right”. Evil is evil, and being soft with the perpetrators of evil because their whatever good intentions they might have not only prevents them from seeing the damage they’re doing but also makes you an accomplice and more evil than them. What you’re doing is providing purveyors of evil a fig leaf that allows them to perpetually look into the warm, shinny glow of their hearts instead of the damage and ruin they’re causing.

          “This description has the advantage of avoiding a demonization of many who aren’t evil, as it would be a most curious perspective to conclude that so many tens of millions of Westerners are evil.”

          No, that description treats perpetrators of evil with kid gloves and gives them a special pass. If whatever it is someone is doing can be classified as evil then they should be confronted with it, and making up excuses like you’re doing only strengthens them. Frankly, your soft approach is so mind-numbingly ludicrous that it becomes aggravating having to spend time refuting it.

      • Demsci says

        May 25, 2015 at 12:07 am

        Seeing Lesley’s question and the answers by RonaldB, WesternCanadian,Voegelinian reminds me of the observation of Ayaan Hirsi Ali;

        The crux being that somehow the PCMC people measure with 2 standards (at least);
        one for Westerners and one for people of ex-colonies of the West, or developing countries. And especially Muslims.

        Let’s stick to the dichotomy of the Elevated expectations of Westerners and the Lowered expectations of Muslims, which are descriptions of the expectations entertained by PCMC-proponents.

        When PCMC’s judge and compare Westerners and Muslims, it is possible that they consider the Westerners guilty and the Muslims innocent. But on scrutiny even the PCMC’s must concede, in view of history and incoming news, that Muslims clearly did and do the same “evil” and “stupid” deeds they hold Westerners so accountable for.

        So if “all are sometimes guilty” why the different standards of judgement, so evident in the judgements of PCMC’s?

        Ayaan said: Rational people will not criticize/ judge and hold accountable “Animals, Children or insane people” because they understand that that is foolish, as these can’t CHANGE their behavior. Rational people therefore only criticize sane adult humans capable of change.

        And it would appear that PCMC’s, who so vehemently criticize Westerners, Israeli’s do this because the PCMC’s hold them accountable and capable of change.

        But where does that leave the Muslims, who are judged by much lower standards, by PCMC’s? If the Muslims are clearly NOT INNOCENT of the same crimes done by the Westerners? The answer: The PCMC’s have elevated expectations of Westerners or lowered expectations of Muslims.

        The PCMC’s measure with double standards. But rather out from a rather admirable “self-criticism toward their own cultural group” and “paternalistic attitude toward Muslims”.

    • quotha raven says

      May 25, 2015 at 4:52 pm

      “What kind of drugs are Clinton, Kerry, and Obama on that facilitate this great lead curtain of denial that they are behind?”

      Lesley – What drugs? They are, along with so many politicians here and abroad, addicted to…POWER and CONTROL, fueled by greed, cynicism and narcissism.

      You describe yourself as a classic liberal, Lesley, and classic liberals have an impossible time since the New Liberalism began to embrace fascism and totalitarianism. Like hardworking Tea Party members who only want secure borders and less government, classical liberals are demonized by the New Liberals. Divide and conquer, I believe the saying goes. , Cheers – qr

  9. Gary says

    May 24, 2015 at 9:55 am

    “the biggest challenge we face is extremism and terrorism”

    Oh wait…. The West have been told the biggest challenge we face is multi-culturalism and tolerance. So much for “The future does not belong to those who would slander the prophet of Islam.”

    ““the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. I have told you this, so that when their time comes you will remember that I warned you about them.”

    Jesus
    Circa 33 A.D.

    • Greyhound Fancier says

      May 24, 2015 at 10:41 pm

      I heard of a Catholic bishop who predicted that his successor would die in prison; that the next bishop would be publicly executed; but that the bishop after that would preside over a blossoming of faith.

      I would not be surprised to die at the hands of Muslims myself. I hope that if it comes to that, that I can be as brave as the 21 Coptic martyrs, who died with the name of Jesus on their lips. May light perpetual shine upon them!

  10. sahani says

    May 24, 2015 at 10:02 am

    Most m=nations got destroyed when they let their own citizen to Islam. Time to reconvert as these converts are behind own destruction , Reconvert them or deport them.

    • Greyhound Fancier says

      May 24, 2015 at 10:43 pm

      Every possible method of disseminating the Gospel should be employed to convert the Muslims. Pray daily for the Muslims to hear the Gospel, the comprehend it, to love and follow Jesus by the hundreds of millions.
      God loves Muslims, but their religion is a serious problem. Islam is Satanic – it is the religion of death.

      • TH says

        May 25, 2015 at 1:05 am

        Evangelization of muslims has always been extremely difficult. Maybe some cable networks beamed at those countries could be of some use, which is what the Coptic priest Fr. Zaccaharias Boutros is doing.

    • Demsci says

      May 25, 2015 at 12:25 am

      “Either reconvert or deport them”. The second option up until now and for the foreseeable future is forbidden by the “neutral majority” and we cease being democratic if we override the will of the “neutral majority”.

      The other possibility, an effort to “convert” large numbers of Muslims seems very farfetched right now, I know. And people like me can’t begin the progress. But bright minds, helped by powerful computers, like Dr Watson of IBM, might start this strategy. Which the “neutral majority” has no choice but to allow, just as it allows Muslims undiscriminated in their midst.

      Consider positive psychology, which in essence says; do not see a “normal mass” and then concentrate on the negative deviations (in this case Muslims). But see a “faulty mass” and then concentrate on the positive exceptions (true democratic citizens). And expand the positive exceptions, in this case true Democratic citizens at the cost of Muslims.

      You know the name “counter-jihad” can be interpreted in at least 2 ways.
      Nr 1. Counter-jihad is the name of a struggle in defense against the Jihad of the Muslims.
      Nr 2. Counter-jihad is also a jihad, just like the jihad of the Muslims, but it is jihad that counters Islamic jihad. And it could well do this by positing a positive, democratic alternative meaningfull ideology to Islam that appeals to many smart (ex)Muslims and other humans.

    • Demsci says

      May 25, 2015 at 2:57 am

      I realize it is against the law to discriminate on basis of religion. So it is now illegal to refuse something to a Muslim, like immigration, employment, service, entrance etc on the ground that He/ She is Muslim. And thus treated as a negative exception.

      But what about positive discrimination? It is arguable that in Islamic countries there is positive discrimination towards Muslims to the detriment of Non-Muslims. It is even clear under Shariah Law. And in education, media, laws, customs maybe. And even in democratic countries there may be a lot of positive discrimation, favoritism among Muslims.

      How about being able to label persons “True Democratic Citizens”, as a lifestyle and also treated as a religion?

      Now companies could overtly put conditions on whom they employ, retain, serve in some ways maybe, allow in, be member etc on the ground of the person being “True Democratic Citizen”.

      The point would be that everything that the “fair-minded” PCMC majority” allows ot Muslims, it also must allow of the followers of another lifestyle/ ideology/ religion.

      Organisations like the freedom party and PEGIDA are vilified because they are accused of discriminating negatively against Muslims.

      But how can positively discriminating in favor of “True Democratic Citizens” be denounced if the “True Democratic Citizens” behave in the exact same way of “positive discrimination of co-religionists” as the Muslims do worldwide?

  11. Papa Whiskey says

    May 24, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    A “duty” to “fix the refugee crisis?” This is nothing more than code language for “throw open your borders to legions of our co-religionists, that we may demographically re-engineer your world in line with Islamic objectives.”

    A “hodgepodge of folks,” as Barry Hussein put it.

  12. profitsbeard says

    May 24, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    Death is a hard teacher.

    But appears to be the only instructor that will rouse the West.

    3,000 failed to do more than get the Sleeping Giant to snore a little more.

    How many must die before the Death Cult of Islam is bared to the average mind will be answered in the decade to come.

    30,000? 300,000? 3,000,000?

  13. Western Canadian says

    May 24, 2015 at 5:45 pm

    I have for quite some time wondered how many nukes have been planted in both mecca and medina, and who holds the triggers to fire them……

    • Greyhound Fancier says

      May 24, 2015 at 10:47 pm

      It would be better to resolve the problem as “we win, they lose”. If Islam gets too dangerous, might it not be better to destroy Mecca and Medina (and thereby demonstrate that Allah is not a god)? Could that possibly arouse Muslims to the false nature of Islam?

      Though, if cartoons require Muslims to kill in order to avenge their “prophet”, what would they do if their “holy places” were no more?

      • Jack Diamond says

        May 25, 2015 at 4:20 pm

        As far as destroying Mecca, ISIS has already threatened to do it (calling the Ka’ba idol worship). If Iran doesn’t do it first. The Ka’ba has 7 towers around it, not merely twin towers. Muslim cannibalism can do a lot of the work for the kuffar and Muslims can then wreck vengeance on one another, into infinity.

  14. Sabri S. says

    May 24, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    This jihad war is being fought and won by the true Iraqis….ISIS!
    The region will have no peace until the US and it’s puppet regimes
    Put in place are exterminated and driven off the land…hopefully, ISIS
    will end this nonsense by the end of the year…billions wasted that are
    not being spent here in urban america…just how dumb are americans?
    This is beyond ridiculous….wake up sheeple…..

    • Jack Diamond says

      May 24, 2015 at 11:40 pm

      Peace! Why aren’t you hurrying over to live in the pure shari’a radiance of the head choppers & sex slavers of the glorious Caliphate, why are you slumming in urban America with the kuffar? Because you are a wolf among the sheeple? Why do I see an arrest in your not distant future?

    • Angemon says

      May 25, 2015 at 6:08 am

      Sabri S. posted:

      “This jihad war is being fought and won by the true Iraqis….ISIS!
      The region will have no peace until the US and it’s puppet regimes
      Put in place are exterminated and driven off the land
      ”

      Not long ago, Sabri claimed all he wanted was US troops out of muslim countries. Now he claims that in order to have “peace” in Iraq the US must be exterminated. The US is thousands of miles away from Iraq. What he’s after is not “peace in the region”, it’s islamic conquest of the whole world: doing to the whole world what the islamic state is doing in Iraq and Syria – killing, pillaging, raping women and children (and probably some men along the way as well), slave trading, destroying priceless artifacts belonging to all Mankind, etc.

      • Daniel Triplett says

        May 25, 2015 at 2:24 pm

        Yes, he illustrates well why Islam doesn’t belong in America (or anywhere else on the globe).

    • duh_swami says

      May 25, 2015 at 7:34 am

      Sabri S…wake up sheeple…

      What I’m awake to is that you are the enemy. You support baby killers…You should be treated like an enemy…Stay safe behind your computer. If you come around here, I can’t guarantee your safety…

    • Darren says

      May 25, 2015 at 10:16 am

      The islamic state is advertising for sex slaves, you seem the type who would enjoy being a slave to anybody, so get off your computer and go join your friends in sharia paradise. Why are you even in the West? If us infidels are so bad, why are in an infidel country? It’s so irritating you people immigrate to our countries, then b*tch and moan and try forcing your way of life on us. If you don’t like it in infidel lands, leave. I’m sure that sharia paradise will suit you well.

  15. Matthieu Baudin says

    May 24, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    “…our governments are [giving]…assurances that they’re aware that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam…”

    Well isn’t it about time that one or more of the local middle eastern governments said something that didn’t whitewash and cocoon Islam from any responsibility for the Supra Islam that’s tearing the place apart. One has to wonder how pervasive the Islamic themes emanating from the new Caliphate have been on the minds of the new Iraqi army. It may turn out that only Shia militias have the nerve to fight for the heart of Iraq, as they are clearly within the sights of ISIS and marked for extermination.

  16. duh_swami says

    May 25, 2015 at 7:53 am

    The problem with western societies, especially the US, is social schizophrenia, meaning ‘spit personality’. The US society has spits within splits, within other splits. An obvious split is between the Islam is the religion of Peace..er’s, and those who know better…er’s…What is necessary is people in charge who ‘know better’ to fight off hegemonic Islam with one hand while cleaning up our own back yard with the other. When it comes to Islam, we all need to be on the same page, not divided. That is not going to happen if the electorate keeps electing Rasulullahs as President. The last thing America needs is Rasool Hillary in office. That will only intensify the schizophrenia, and allow the jihadists, who are not schizophrenic, to make forward progress…

  17. rcourtemanche says

    May 25, 2015 at 9:04 am

    Measures required to prevent ISIS spill-overs might appear horrible to the average Westerner but necessary to eradicate this evil and certainly not worse than the barbaric atrocities perpetrated by the former.

  18. Ian H says

    May 25, 2015 at 9:25 am

    Yeah, but I still wish the Iraqi’s would fight instead of running away all the time like a bunch of pathetic pussies. When the US trounced Iraq in the Gulf wars I thought it was because the Americans were good. But now it seems like the Iraqis are just really awful.

    The Italians must be so happy. They are going to be able to relinquish their status as the world’s greatest military losers. No more jokes about Italian tanks with 12 reverse gears. It will be Iraqi military jokes from now on.

  19. Elisheva14 says

    May 25, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    The first thing is to stop all Muslim immigration and secure our borders. The second is to stop funding the UN. The third is to stop giving money to the Palestinians who use our money to promote terrorism. We need people to wake up to the threat of Terrorism. Schools need to change their agenda and stop promoting the Muslim agenda. Colleges need to stop promoting Antisemitism. We desperately need people to wake up before it is too late. None of this will happen because most people just don’t care, unfortunately.

    • Jack Diamond says

      May 25, 2015 at 6:35 pm

      Those are all good suggestions. As long as we are talking in broad generallities, regarding the “end game” there are not solutions to every problem. For example, there is no “solution” to the condition Israel is in with the Muslims surrounding it. It is not going to be solved. However it can be contained and managed and has been–so long as no game changing WMD is allowed them (or any more territory ceded to them)– but the “hate and enmity” Israel might as well consider permanent. For the rest of us the “end game” is probably not going to be in our lifetime, if at all. What can’t be permitted now are the two things most potentially devastating to us, Muslim WMD and Muslim immigration. The purposeful creation of Eurabia by the mass influx of Muslims is far more of a peril to Western civilization than any wars in the Middle East.

      Everything else is more a matter of containment and reversing the clock to before the early 1970s when this modern Jihad began in earnest thanks to those trillions in new oil wealth that has funded the enterprise. For most of the past 300 years the Muslim world had been weak and fragmented and dominated and forced to be “moderate.” It needs to be returned to that condition. That would be a strategic goal to aim for. Now, perhaps the jihad genie can’t be put back in the bottle but a broke genie running out of “martyrs” and weapons whose state sponsors are afraid to sponsor them anymore is called containment. The same model would apply to stealth jihad and if it won’t come from our government it can come from its citizens–I think DDA posted on a thread how the same incremental measures to advance shari’a can be used against it as well, such as blocking mosques (very important to do), banning shari’a law outright, monitoring textbooks in schools. Small victories add up.

      Muslims live in a subjective world, as anyone who has “debated” them knows. That makes their “morale” a matter of strategy too. There’s a good side and bad side to Islamic fatalism, typified by a Muslim saying “inshallah” (Allah willing) to everything. “Asabiyya” (a term used by Ibn Khaldun for what drove the initial Arab conquests) the tribal bond, the fire, primitive fury, the esprit de corps, the exhilaration of victory and sense of destiny–the Time favored by Allah–are one side of Inshallah fatalism, it drives the Caliphate currently and is why tens of thousands are flocking there. They think they are winning. The other Inshallah, the one we want, comes from demoralization, defeat, division, snuffing out the fire of asabiyya, the time is not favored by Allah, and returning the Muslim World to the state of resignation and fatalism (and nobility of defeat) where it belongs. I think of that as not as the end game but at least getting us to half-time.

      • Jack Diamond says

        May 25, 2015 at 7:13 pm

        Note: Hugh Fitzgerald wrote innumerable articles here on many of these matters years ago: containment, the unprecedented transfer of oil wealth in the 1970s and how it funded global jihad, the problem-with-no-solution faced by Israel, all well worth reading for those who haven’t visited the JW archives.

      • Elisheva14 says

        May 25, 2015 at 7:35 pm

        I think in many ways it is safer in Israel than in the US. This sounds counter-intuitive perhaps. People there are aware of the situation and the government in working to protect the population. The borders are secured and there is heightened awareness everywhere every day. They know who the enemies are. Missiles come into the country and there are few deaths because they have the iron dome. Homes and apartments are constructed with safe rooms against chemicals. In the US we are still not alert to what is happening in every city. We have a government that does not care about us. We are turning into Europe with Muslim Immigrants populating our cities and returning Jihadi Muslims in our cities.

  20. Davegreybeard says

    May 25, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    @Darren
    “How do we get to point A to point B to point C. We keep describing the end game, without filling in all the blanks between point A to point C.”

    “I’ve learned just as much reading peoples comments as I did reading the articles. The comments section compliments this site very well, since there are some very brilliant people on this site.”

    I completely agree with both of your comments, Darren.

    I also notice, and am somewhat frustrated by, the tendency of people, some of whom are very intelligent, to leap to the “final solution” without providing the road map to get there.

    The long hard slog to “point B” is educating our fellow Kuffar, in great detail, as to the life of Muhammad “The Model of Conduct” and the tenets of Islam. This must happen first, period.

    Without a thorough understanding of Islam, no meaningful progress against it will be accomplished and Western Civilization will find itself under the boot of the Jihadis. Given our current learning curve, this is a predictable outcome.

    So all effort, by all of us who understand the monster we face, should be directed at enlightening our fellow Infidel, however we can, in any way that we can.

    Otherwise humanity is destined for an age of tyranny and terror that will last a thousand years.

    • Daniel Triplett says

      May 25, 2015 at 2:34 pm

      Twitter is a great way to spread the word. You can also tweet the Twitter links on the JW articles to help direct traffic here.

      Most use Twitter for two reasons: To get news and spread influence.

      • Davegreybeard says

        May 25, 2015 at 6:20 pm

        I am not familiar with twitter.

        I wonder about security.

        How effective is it? Does it reach people who are interested in being educated?

        One of the reasons I come to Jihad Watch is to read discussions, as above. And to find out what others are doing. I carry leaflets; condensed “Sira” on one side, Quran verses, Prime Directive of Islam on the other. These get passed out as the opportunity arises.

        I am working on a powerpoint “exegesis of Islam”, for our P.D. They may not know it yet, but my bet is when the Jihadis pick up the pace in killing people in this country, some of the local cops are going to be suddenly a little more interested in Islam. So when they start asking questions, I plan to be there and ready, when they do. And it might also work for church groups, VFW, gun club, etc.

        Your project sounds interesting, I’d be interested to hear more about how you see it being implemented.

        • Daniel Triplett says

          May 28, 2015 at 8:13 pm

          @Davegreybeard

          Nice job with the portable leaflets. That’s a great idea. I’ll have to try that too. Very handy when explaining the crisis to useful idiots, which abound.

          Smart move also with the “exegesis of Islam” to get police focused on the primary threat to our National Security. Even if only 15% of the 3,000,000 Muslims in the US are of the well-disciplined variety, that makes 450,000 Garland shooters, Oklahoma City beheaders, or Times Square Bombers slinking around quietly like a mountain lion on a hike, ready to pounce and slay at anytime. The police are the first line of defense with that. You guys are all on your own, without the military, due to 1878 Posse Comitatus, as you of course know. So more power to you Brother.

          Yes, Twitter can be very helpful in reaching a large audience. There is no censoring at all, and it’s very secure. After all, the jihadists are using it with impunity, and no one can seem to find them with it.

          After a while, you’ll build up a following, then everything you say will be broadcast to them. You’ll also learn about trending hashtags, which is like joining in on a conversation with several million other people. So, even if you just have 50 followers, versus Justin Bieber’s 50 Million, you can still reach all the people in the trending hashtag conversation, and have just as much of an audience as a celebrity. And if you have something provocative and clever to say, people will listen. Then they’ll retweet your message to everyone else, and pretty soon, you’ll build up quite a following. With just a modicum of effort, I can easily attract 500 new followers per day. My username is @dantriplett if you’d like to check out my profile and Twitter history as an example.

          You can also attach links and pictures to your tweets. A picture tells a thousand words.

          I also use Twitter to attach links to Robert’s articles to drive traffic to his site and increase his exposure and public awareness about Islamic jihad. And every time I do, the tweets gets retweeted by the reader a whole bunch of times. See how that works?

          Twitter is not a shrine to narcissism, like Facebook. No one goes on there to yap about the boring details of their day, or to attach pictures of people no one else cares about.

          People use Twitter for two reasons: To get news and spread influence.

          If you don’t have anything important to say, and you don’t want to change the World, Twitter is not very useful.

          But you are a man with something to say. Good luck Davegreybeard.

  21. Elisheva14 says

    May 25, 2015 at 8:19 pm

    I just was reading Daniel Pipes in Israel Hayom

    http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=12679

    He says:
    Indeed, just as the Iranian regime presents the greatest danger to the Middle East, Islamic State presents the next, more evolved, and most threatening form of Islamist violence in the West. Will these mortal enemies be recognized in time?

    • Jack Diamond says

      May 25, 2015 at 10:09 pm

      The danger, from Pipes article, comes from Muslims in America. Acting upon calls from the Islamic State
      sure, but Muslims in America carrying out jihad terror. Therefore the mortal enemies are right here. Now what?

      • Davegreybeard says

        May 26, 2015 at 12:00 am

        @ Jack Diamond
        “Therefore the mortal enemies are right here. Now what?”

        Shoot them, Jack Diamond, if they are “mortal enemies” you shoot them!

    • Davegreybeard says

      May 25, 2015 at 11:53 pm

      Fascinating comments about ISIS, Elisheva.

      My first thought would be “great!”

      A good counter to a “homemade” Jihadi attack is a “homemade” American with his gun.

      Thanks to the foresight of our divinely inspired forefathers, we Americans have a “God given” right to firearms, and that is guaranteed by the United States Constitution. Don’t forget the help of the NRA join now! And donate as you are able.

      So “gun up” boys and girls! Buy that fancy rifle or pistol you’ve had your eye on.

      And spend a little “fun time” at the time at the range. Life circumstances may require that steady aim and practiced trigger finger, to take out a few Jihadis, now and then.

      Happy shooting!

      Deus Vult!

  22. Solange says

    May 26, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    The jihad battles in the Middle East are an attempt at world domination. Their perpetrators have said so and continue to say so on a daily basis. Our leaders just don’t seem to get it, which is why I feel their complacency and complicity are conspiracy. There is an attempt to establish a fourth reich, God forbid, under the burka of Islam.

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