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Jihadis don’t show up at Phoenix mosque protest, so no one gets hurt

May 30, 2015 4:47 pm By Robert Spencer

Islam ProtestsThe Islamic State had threatened to show up and commit mass murder, and specifically threatened the event organizer, but didn’t appear at the event, and so no one was hurt — despite the mainstream media hysteria over “heavily armed protesters” supposedly menacing people at the mosque.

Speaking for myself, I wouldn’t have held a protest at a mosque, as there are people there just going about their business who have nothing to do with whatever jihad activity may have been taking place there. The coverage has, predictably enough, ignored the fact that the protesters were only heavily armed because the jihadis had threatened to show up and kill. No one was going to get killed if the jihadis didn’t show up, and no one did.

Yesterday evening I was amused by the hysteria of Islamic supremacists such as Linda Sarsour and Zahra Billoo on Twitter — many were saying, “Imagine if armed Muslim protesters had shown up at a church!,” as if this were something that never, ever happened. The irony was thick, as most of yesterday, these stories were on the front page of Jihad Watch:

Pakistan: Muslims open fire on Faisalabad church

Islamic State demolishes Christian church in Syria

Egypt: Explosive goes off next to church

And that’s just yesterday. Of course, even to make the comparison suggests that the protesters outside the mosque yesterday were out to do something similar to the mosque, and they weren’t.

Lost in all the coverage, not surprisingly, was the obvious import of this event: when you demonize and marginalize legitimate concerns about jihad terror, including jihad plotting in mosques, you’re not going to bottle people up and make the concerns go away. You’re just going to get more radical protests. Americans are going to defend freedom and stand for the freedom of speech. Whether the authorities and the media elites are going to allow for a free and honest discussion and debate on this is another question.

The mainstream media’s avidity to link Pamela Geller and me to this protest revealed its determination to ignore the reasons why the protest was held at the Phoenix mosque in the first place. Sharon Bernstein of Reuters emailed me and we had this exchange:

1. Bernstein to Spencer:

…We are wondering among other questions whether you or Pamela Geller are involved with this demonstration and what you think of it….

Thanks very much,

Sharon Bernstein
Correspondent
California Politics and Policy
Sacramento, California
Reuters News

2. Spencer to Bernstein:

No, we are not involved in this demonstration.

3. Bernstein to Spencer:

What is your opinion of the event planned? What do you know about the organizer?

4. Spencer to Bernstein:

I am much more interested in the fact that this Phoenix mosque was attended by one of the Garland jihadis for ten years than I am in this rally. Has this mosque been investigated, even after the Garland jihad attack? Did Reuters ask its imam searching questions? If not, why not?

I don’t know anything about the organizer.

Here is Bernstein’s story — she didn’t see fit to mention any of this, but more importantly, has nothing about the mosque, from which not only Ibrahim Simpson, to whom I was referring above, came, but his partner in jihad Nadir Soofi and two other jihadis as well. People are fed up with the authorities turning a blind eye to this problem, when survey after survey shows that 80% of mosques in the U.S. teach warfare against unbelievers and the supremacy of Sharia. The more such concerns are dismissed as “bigotry” and “Islamophobia,” the more there will be protests like this one.

“Tempers flare as protesters spar over Islam at Arizona mosque,” by Ryan Van Velzer, Associated Press, May 30, 2015:

PHOENIX (AP) – About 500 protesters gathered outside a Phoenix mosque on Friday as police kept two groups sparring about Islam on separate sides of the street.

The rally initially was organized by a Phoenix man who says he is a former Marine who fought in the Iraq War and believes Islam is a violent religion. About 250 people who carried pistols, assault rifles, American flags and drawings of the Prophet Muhammad rallied on one side of the street outside the Islamic Community Center of Phoenix.

On the opposite side of the street was another equally sized group of protesters, some holding signs promoting love and peace, who came to show their support for the mosque and Muslim community.

As the two sides argued and yelled, dozens of police officers formed a line between them and kept them separated. There were no reports of injuries or arrests at the protest, which lasted several hours and gained attention around the country on social media. Phoenix police estimated about 500 protesters showed up, roughly 250 on each side.

The protest came about month after a shootout outside a Prophet Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest in a Dallas suburb. Two Phoenix men showed up at the event with assault rifles and were killed by police. The men formerly worshipped at the Phoenix mosque where Friday’s protest took place.

Drawings of the Prophet Muhammad are deemed insulting to many followers of Islam and have sparked violence around the world.

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  1. Angemon says

    May 30, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    About 250 people who carried pistols, assault rifles, American flags and drawings of the Prophet Muhammad rallied on one side of the street outside the Islamic Community Center of Phoenix.

    I guess it’s much more appealing to attack a cartoon contest than a protest ran by a biker gang… Aren’t the “lions” of islam brave and courageous?

    • cs says

      May 31, 2015 at 3:34 am

      Of course, they knew they would have their ugly asses kicked, so they avoided the humiliation.

      • umbra says

        May 31, 2015 at 10:09 am

        That is how cowards operate.

    • Ephesian says

      May 31, 2015 at 9:31 am

      Angemon…yes,can’t you just hear them roar! mind you,these are almost as brave as the two murderers who drove a car into Drummer Lee Rigby(God bless him)when his back was turned to them….scum,pure scum.

    • Shane says

      May 31, 2015 at 9:45 am

      No one was killed because the anti-jihadists were armed. This is a reminders to Christians that we need to be armed so that the Muslims won’t attack us. I agree with Robert that protesting in front of a mosque with drawings of Muhammad is not a good idea, especially since the liberal MSM will spin the story to make the anti-jihadists look like intolerant and violent sub-humans.

      The drawing contest in Texas was a much better plan to take on Muslim efforts to enforce their sharia and blasphemy laws on Americans.

    • abad says

      May 31, 2015 at 1:55 pm

      See, this is precisely WHY we won’t have the problems the UK has right now with Muslims.

      If only the UK recognized the right of private ownership of firearms – but no they are all bleeding heart liberals in Parliament

      • Dr John says

        May 31, 2015 at 4:16 pm

        Don’t worry. When the time comes we will call on our American freedom fighter friends to come and help us fight Islam on British soil. And bring plenty of weapons. There are millions of us just waiting. Remember, we are a warrior race and Crusaders, This time the Crusaders WILL win.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Jun 1, 2015 at 12:37 am

          I would say, to British jihadwatchers: every able-bodied young man and woman you know who is also Islamosavvy…tell them to join the Territorial Army. They may have to be careful of what they say and when they say it, but the aim and object is to acquire knowledge and organisational skills, and – discreetly – to network.

          Whether young *or* old, if English, join the Royal Society of Saint George en masse, under the Queen’s patronage no less. Cultural reaffirmation/ revitalisation, and a huge opportunity, if you are clever and careful, to network and spread awareness. If thousands of you were to join, all across the country, you could turn the Society into a force to be reckoned with. And as a member of the Society you can legitimately obtain and fly the Cross of Saint George from your home or business premises (see their website, which describes their ongoing fly the flag campaign). If some jobsworth busybody and tattletale tries to snitch on you as a “racist” for flying the St George Cross, you will be able – as a member of the Society – to refer them to Her Majesty under whose aegis you operate. The thing is: displaying the Cross publicly is something that dhimmis under Muslim rule are not allowed to do. So simply by flying the flag of St George you would be sending a message “No Dhimmis Here”.

          And join and support – whether financially, by writing letters, and other means – Gavin Boby’s “Law and Freedom Foundation”.

          A further thought. If you have access to a parish church that has a traditional ring of bells, and uses it, then you could – if musically inclined – find out about joining, or supporting, their team of bellringers. Because the ringing of church bells is another thing that is forbidden to dhimmis. Every church in Britain that still rings its bells loud and long is engaging – whether they know it or not – in an act of defiance, a non-dhimmi action. So….participate if you can; and if you can’t, then make sure you let your local vicar / priest/ parson know that you *like* the sound of church bells (because I have heard of instances where Muslims and/ or their deluded enablers have tried to manipulate council noise regs in order to stop churches from ringing their bells). Also, if you’re a churchgoer and your church has bells, and you’re an Anglican or a Catholic, encourage your priest to ring the angelus, if he doesn’t already. If you’re really lucky and your priest/ parson/ minister has woken up to the meaning and menace of Islam, then encourage him to consider reviving the 14th/15th century practice of the “Turkish bell” (which was essentially an alarm bell summoning the faithful to pray for the defeat of Jihad).

          Lots of ways to build strength, build morale, and start pushing back.

  2. David says

    May 30, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    It is convenient that Reuters and others in the media are making the case for Islamists by calling you and Pamela Geller Anti-Islam activists. This is what passes for journalism these days, using inflammatory and inaccurate names used by Islamists for the people who are just trying to keep sharia from becoming the law of our land.

    • Brian says

      May 31, 2015 at 6:18 am

      Islam in essence is a murderous, fascist, supremacist, misogynistic. totalitarian ideology with a veneer of religion, founded by a mass murderer and mass rapist that every Muslim is exhorted to emulate.

      • Leonidas says

        May 31, 2015 at 9:12 am

        Excellent definition of barbaric Islam!!

        TO DEFEAT ISLAM:
        1)Demand the LIBERATION OF MUSLIM WOMEN from muslim male bondage imposed by the Koran ,(k 4:34,K2:223),from forced child marriages,wife beating (k4:34)and from the Burka( K 24:31,K33:59-mobile cloth prisons that banish females from society)!Ban clitorectomies, apply the death penalty for “honor killing”of women(Bukhari2,23,413) and grant muslim women divorce and children custody and support, when they are abused by their muslim husbands !Demand Respect,Equality ,Education , Integration and Human Rights to ALL WOMEN IN in ALL Muslim lands ,which they deserve ,as the women gave birth and nursed all the Humans2)PROTECT THE APOSTATES from Islam,the “BLASPHEMERS” of Islam ,HYPOCRITES and ADULTERERS FROM DEATH ,commanded by the Koran (K 4:83 ,Bukhari 9.84.57,58-52:260) and punish all muslim Countries that implement these barbaric islamic laws!3)DISCREDIT THE KORAN,as a distorted copy of the Old Testament(mainly Deuteronomy,also book of Enoch-on description of Hell-,Βοok of Thomas etc)written in Arabic not by Allah before Eternity (K 85:22k 10:37),as the muslims are taught to believe,but by Muhammad to suit his desires( per wife Aisha) during his lifetime,then after his death ,written down by his scribe Zayd and rearranged arbitrarily in chapters from longer to shorter ones on order by the first Caliph(successor)!The Koran is full of repetitions,ambiguities,lies,contradictions,but the more recent ,longer ~70%violent Medina part, abrogates the earlier, shorter ~30% merciful Mecca part(K 2:106)! It commands violence(K 48:29)and it is totally void of Morality and Love !It accuses Jews and Christians of heresy, of “having strayed from the right path” (K2:79,K3:64-82K90:6,K3:32)deserving death(k2:191,K8:7,k9:5,9:29,9:123)!. It commands the muslims to ritualistically pray five times daily cursing the Infidels (Google: translation of Muslim daily prayers)and never to leave islam by killing the Apostates and those who criticize the Koran or Muhammad (k5:33-34)and never to be friends with Jews(k5:60)Christians,Infidels (k 2:109,3:28,5:51,5:57)for they may tempt them to leave Islam and to terrorize (K8:12)and kill the Infidels(k9:5) ,if they refuse to convert to islam or pay tax = jizya(K 9:29) as dhimmies(semi slaves)!The Koran commands ,that wives must be beaten for disobedience (k 4:34)and that ALL WOMEN are inferior to males (k 4:34,2:223)and are destined to go to Hell(unless their husbands say in the Last Day that they are.. pleased with them!).Women must never tempt men by showing their curves or skin,so the orthodox Muslim women are forced always to hide and wear full body loose clothes like mobile prisons ,the Burkas and Nikabs (K 4:34),when outside their house ,even in the stifling summer heat!The Medina Koran ,which imposes polygyny, misogyny and preaches hate against Jews,Christians,infidels and intolerance and terror against all other Religions ,is incompatible with our Freedoms,Human Rights, Gender Equality,Democracy and Constitution and must be declared a HATE BOOK!4)DENOUNCE MUHAMMAD ,as according to contemporary witnesses in the “Hadith”and ” Sira”,he was a mass murderer,torturer,pedophile( wife Aisha was 9 years old, he was licking the penis of his toddler grandson Hasan per Bukhari witnesses),rapist,liar, plunderer ,slave trader and a terrorist (k4:56). He imposed Islam by the sword ,getting 1/5 of the booty from all raids for himself,and added several verses in the Koran to suit his sexual desires (per wife Aisha). He decapitated the captive ~800 men of the jewish Qurayza tribe ,raped the same night Safiya the wife of the slain jewish chief,enslaved the surviving women and children and exiled the other two jewish tribes and the Christians from Arabia confiscating their property,because they refused to convert to Islam. He ordered jihad for World Conquest, that still continues !.Therefore ,Muhammad ,”The Perfect Man of Islam”(K 33:21,68:4)was a brutal , bloodthirsty and criminal warlord, who deserves no reverence ,but our stern condemnation and revulsion for his crimes .
        5-DENOUNCE ORTHODOX ISLAM as a violent ,totalitarian ,misogynistic ,barbaric ,political ideology (~80%)of desert Arab male supremacism , disguised as a religion(~20%)incompatible with our Freedoms, Gender Equality ,Human Rights and Democracy, that fights by jihad and soft jihad to subjugate the entire world !

        Ban muslim immigration ,as Japan does and buy no muslim oil to starve global jihad!

        Deport orthodox muslims and allow no muslims in the government and military ,as the Koran commands them to subvert them.NPR radio reported in ~2006 that the hired muslim interpreters in Iraq falsified names and data confusing the US Intelligence and many muslim soldiers attacked their fellow servicemen like Hasan Nidal in Fort Hood.
        READ in GOOGLE:”THE KORAN”(=recitation,~434 pages long) about what Muhammad claimed angel Gabriel revealed to him to believe and practice. The text is ~30%religious and compassionate (the earlier Μecca part )and ~70%political and violent( the later Medina part) and this abrogates the earlier part according to Muhammad in the Koran( k 2:106,13:39,16:101)! The “HADITH”(=traditions about the terrorizing Sayings ,Customs and Deeds of Muhammad),”SIRA”(=the biography of Muhammad and his murders and raids on caravans). Also,Omar´s Conditions on Dhimmies(=subjugated infidels) about the humiliation and heavy taxation of conquered Infidels(Kafirs) after 700AD and Reliance of the Traveler.
        Also read in Google:QUOTING ISLAM,CROSSMUSLIMS,WIKIISLAM(has all the passages of the original Islamic texts ,that command the orthodox muslims to be jihadists,terrorists,assassins,wife beaters,misogynists, liars,crucifiers, decapitators and slaveholders) Apostatesof Islam,politicalislam.com,Dr Bill Warner on islam,”the terrifying brilliance of the islamic memeplex”,Citizen warrior,pedestrianinfidel@yahoo.com,Indoctrinationwatch,Formermuslimsunited.org,inquiryintoislam.com,The religionofpeace.com,jihadwatch.org ( >40 K readers daily),Islamwatch (has a list of~18 pages of all the terrorizing antisemitic and jihadist passages In the koran ,where the more recent~ 340 pages Medina – city of the prophet-terrorizing passages abrogate the older ~ 70 pages long Mecca merciful ones),Act for America, Pamellageller.Com,Atlas shrugs,Raymondibrahim.com,thetruthaboutQuran.com,Radicalislam.org,Frontpagemag.org,faithfreedom.org,Alisina.org( by an exmuslim)Bare naked Islam, Lars Hedegaard on islam,Ann Barnhardt ,Ibn Warraq,Fitna (the video),Obsession -the DVD, “Islam what the west needs to know”-the movie,the third jihad,Wafa Sultan( syrian exmuslim),Formermuslims united,Muslims against Sharia,MEMRI( has translations of jihadist Middle East tv shows)Νοnie Darwish(her father was an Εgyptian muslim terrorist)Gert Wilders(Dutch politician)Richard Dawkins(atheist Biology professor) Zakaria Botros(ex muslim),walid shoebat(ex muslim terrorist)cross Islam,Phyllis Chesler on islam( a jewish feminist ,who escaped from Afghanistan),Newt Gingrich on Islam,Winston Churchill on islam( he wrote that “Islam is the most retrograde force on our planet” in his book ” River war” in 1899)!,Aldous Huxley on Islam,Thomas Paine on Islam,”Mohammed seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure,” St. Thomas Aquinas wrote ,Maimonides called Muhammad “a madman”,Thomas Jefferson on Islam who read the Koran and he sent the Marines with their necks protected with leather to Tripoli in Libya to fight the barbaric muslim pirates in~1806,Bertrand Russel (atheist)on Islam,Oriana Fallaci ( Italian journalist)on Islam ,FOX NEWS, Juhdi Jasser on Islam ( humanized muslim MD)in USA),Glazov gang videos , Dispatch International,Egyptian president Sisi on Islam 12/28-14 YOU TUBE video ,Bosch Fawstin ,et al.
        We must talk about these things daily ,to make them widely known ,with our politicians,policemen, journalists,schools and our friends in the Internet and then we will see millions of muslims,especially the oppressed WOMEN ,will abandon barbaric Islam to join the rest of Humanity and Islam will collapse the way the Soviet Union did in 1989!

        • RonaldB says

          May 31, 2015 at 12:12 pm

          Whew!!!!

          Leonides,

          You have material for about 20 separate posts, and you’re preaching to the converted anyway.

          One issue about which I disagree with you is that Muslim women will turn from Islam and are waiting to be freed. Muslim women are as tenacious in Islam as the men, are thorough enablers of Muslim hatred and oppression of women, and are no more likely to leave Islam than, say, Amadiyyas, who are Muslim and thoroughly oppressed by more mainstream Muslims.

          In other words, never view Muslim women as allies in any way, shape, or manner.

          When Muslims come in as immigrants, they are subjected to the laws, which is why honor killings are prosecuted as murder, at least outside of Dearborn, Mich. But, the very Muslim women who benefit (?) from the protection are going to support the imposition of sharia law.

        • Dr John says

          May 31, 2015 at 4:23 pm

          Well done. You are so right. Just brilliant.

  3. Gary says

    May 30, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    Anderson Copper’s treatment of the former Marine, (Jon Ritzheimer), during an interview on CNN, (prior to the event), was appalling. Anderson attacked Jon’s position the entire time, and never once questioned the threat muslim extremists pose to the United States of America. Nor did Anderson see the importance the rally had toward freedom of speech. Not to mention the mere fact that the Mosque harbored one of the two Garland Jihadists. Something tells me that “If” CNN had been successful at interviewing an Imam from the Mosque the questions would have supported the Muslim view.

    Sadly ISAIAH 5:20-24 applies to our main stream media……

    Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

    Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and shrewd in their own sight!

    Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine, and valiant men in mixing strong drink,

    who acquit the guilty for a bribe, and deprive the innocent of his right!

    Therefore, as the tongue of fire devours the stubble, and as dry grass sinks down in the flame, so their root will be as rottenness, and their blossom go up like dust; for they have rejected the law of the LORD of hosts, and have despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

    • No Fear says

      May 30, 2015 at 10:11 pm

      Why would Anderson Cooper favour a religion that, in it’s more extreme versions, wants gays to hang?
      That is like a Jew supporting the Nazis in the 1930s in Germany.
      Surely he would support freedom of speech and freedom of lifestyle which people in America have.

    • Scott says

      May 31, 2015 at 1:28 am

      Unfortunately Ritzheimer walked into Anderson Cooper’s buzz saw. He simply is not media savvy enough to handle the hostile MSM the way Pamela and Robert are.

      I support him, I understood him, but the MSM loves guys like him that they can chew up and spit out into their leftist spittoons….

    • Truth says

      May 31, 2015 at 8:45 am

      Anderson Cooper is a moron.

  4. Don McKellar says

    May 30, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    I see the left-fascist COWARDS at AP have shut down commenting with some incredibly feeble and convoluted excuse which doesn’t make a DAMN bit of sense. You sniveling bastards, you WILL NOT ram politically correct — AND FALSE — garbage down the throats of free people!

    And, by the way, you refer to the Great Hate Monger Criminal as “Prophet Mohammad” with CAPITAL LETTERS like the invented character had some kind of title! This kind of garbage WILL NOT STAND as free people start to stand up and take on the ultimate evil of Islam! YOU ARE ON THE LOSING SIDE, AP!

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      May 30, 2015 at 6:47 pm

      CNN used to have a comments section in most of their articles, including articles related to Islam. But they too have gotten rid of the comments feature. Apparently they do not want to have to read anything that conflicts with their delusions nor do they want the public to read anything that conflicts with their narratives.

  5. William Lucas Harvey Jr.w says

    May 30, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Here we go again, with America’s Islam Pandering and Sympathizing, Mainstream Media’s typical “Blame the Messenger” Hysteria Spin:

    1. The Event Organizer, says the Protesters will be armed, to protect themselves and others, from a Repeat of the Charlie Hebdo “Texas Massacre”, in the event at the Phoenix Mosque Protest – as in aka the Charlie Hebdo “Paris Massacre”.
    2. Islam’s Jihadi’s Threaten back, and The Islamic State threatens to show up and commit MASS MURDER.
    3. The Mainstream Media plays in to Islam’s Rhetoric and Blames the Protesters for Inciting Violence.
    4. And the Threatening Islamist Jihadis THEMSELVES don’t show up at Phoenix mosque protest, so no one gets hurt.

    Islam’s 7tn Century Mentality Muslims, even in the 21st Century, STILL have NO other answer to what they consider “Blaspheming”, which IS with WORDS, other than PHYSICAL Bloody Murdering Butchery and Violence.

  6. William Lucas Harvey Jr. says

    May 30, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    Here we go again, with America’s Islam Pandering and Sympathizing, Mainstream Media’s typical “Blame the Messenger” Hysteria Spin:

    1. The Event Organizer, says the Protesters will be armed, to protect themselves and others, from a Repeat of the Charlie Hebdo “Texas Massacre”, in the event at the Phoenix Mosque Protest – as in aka the Charlie Hebdo “Paris Massacre”.
    2. Islam’s Jihadi’s Threaten back, and The Islamic State threatens to show up and commit MASS MURDER.
    3. The Mainstream Media plays in to Islam’s Rhetoric and Blames the Protesters for Inciting Violence.
    4. And the Threatening Islamist Jihadis THEMSELVES don’t show up at Phoenix mosque protest, so no one gets hurt.

    Islam’s 7tn Century Mentality Muslims, even in the 21st Centyury, STILL have NO other answer to what they consider “Blaspheming”, which is with WORDS, other than PHYSICAL Bloody Murdering Butchery and Violence.

  7. Bezelel says

    May 30, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    The more of these protests the better. Hopefully the muslim community will learn a lesson in humility. Since they’re so superior it should be easy for them.

    • thelmalou says

      May 30, 2015 at 10:19 pm

      If I had total confidence in bikers, I would like every mosque that turns out a terrorist to get a great big biker visit. In this case the bikers were good to their word and peaceful. Imams would be a little more careful about what they preach if they understand their mosque will be the highlight of the next big biker rally. I am against violence, but a very strong message needs to be sent out, and the bikers are brave enough to do it.

      • Bezelel says

        May 31, 2015 at 11:22 am

        thelmalou, I understand what you mean by total confidence in the bikers but I feel that lack of confidence in the muslims mind works for us. The thought that a loose cannon may be present and unaccounted for works both ways.I’m glad that violence wasn’t necessary to make their point but the potential of it surely was necessary and will continue to be when dealing with savage ghouls.

      • Avenger says

        May 31, 2015 at 3:33 pm

        How about a “great big FBI visit” instead of relying on bikers who the media will harpoon every time. We all pay millions of dollars in taxes every year for our nations protection, if the Federal government can’t shut down these terror incubators (mosques) then cut off all funding for these agencies (FBI, Homeland Security etc).
        The money saved could be put to organizing and funding State militias who would shut down and demolish any mosque that produces assasins or terrorists. This could also give our National Guard a real mission of protecting its citizens from pious Muslims.

        • Raja says

          Jun 1, 2015 at 10:03 pm

          Avenger,

          Your comment is one of the best. I wonder why this kind of ideas do not come from many more.. Innovative ideas can kill bad religion of Islam which has nothing to do with God…

        • Avenger says

          Jun 2, 2015 at 12:25 am

          Thank you Raja for your positive input.
          Muslims play the same game in every country they colonize. They pretend to worship a peaceful god while slowly and with subterfuge, tear down any defense response of their host society. Look how they manipulated hundreds of, supposedly intelligent, Americans in defending their wretched mosque. Never have pity or mercy for these evil people. Muslims definitely show no compassion when slaughtering others.

  8. More Ham Ed says

    May 30, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    Drawings of the Prophet Muhammad are deemed insulting to many followers of Islam and have sparked violence around the world.

    Just about anything is deemed insulting to many followers of Islam who have committed nonstop violence around the world.

  9. epistemology says

    May 30, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    Drawings of the self-appointed prophet can’t be insulting to muzzies, as nobody knows what he really looked like, if he even existed. These muzzies lament about chimeras.

    It’s a lot more important to find out about the background of the Garland shooter who worshiped in that mosque. The greatest problem all over the Western world is muzzies who want to implement sharia, they want to undermine our judicial systems and our civilization. Counter-jihadis unite!

  10. voegelinian says

    May 30, 2015 at 8:46 pm

    “Speaking for myself, I wouldn’t have held a protest at a mosque, as there are people there just going about their business who have nothing to do with whatever jihad activity may have been taking place there.” — Robert Spencer

    Wow.

    • mortimer says

      May 30, 2015 at 8:55 pm

      “Wow”? There you go again.

      You obviously haven’t been paying attention, voegelinian. Robert Spencer is a man of noble sentiments and deep respect for ‘others’.

      You reveal your shallowness. If you had read Spencer’s books and comments closely, you would have picked up his fine character. You didn’t see any of it.

    • Greyhound Fancier says

      May 30, 2015 at 9:43 pm

      You see, not everyone at the mosque was involved with the jihad activity. The statement by Mr. Spencer asserts that it’s a given that jihad activity did and does take place at that mosque (but to be gracious to the decent Muslims who attend, the statement doesn’t assume that each and every attendee is a jihadist).

    • Semeru says

      May 31, 2015 at 3:40 am

      “Speaking for myself, I wouldn’t have held a protest at a mosque, as there are people there just going about their business who have nothing to do with whatever jihad activity may have been taking place there.” — Robert Spencer

      No Spencer will only protest behind a wall of SWAT, and the beat his breast as to how brave he and Geller are.

      The bikers where prepared to go face to face with the moslems, despite threats of a confrontation

      Spencer stayed very quite about this event, and only mentioned it two days after it happened.

      It was the same as the EDL. it went nearly two years before he acknowledged them. and it did not take long before he dropped them.

      He even had a chance to meet the EDL In September 2009, but along with Douglas Murray refused to meet them when they arrived at a restaurant which he had been invited to by one of background people behind the EDL at the time.

      Spencer reported this on Jihad watch when Spencer retorts that that Johnson is a “libelblogger”

      Spencer also wrote in that ariticle

      I did not go to England planning to meet with the EDL, I did not make such plans there, and I did not meet with them…I will not work with racists, fascists, neo-Nazis, etc. Those who are inclined to buy Johnson’s guilt-by-association smears are invited to prove that I actually believe the things he is trying to pin on me…

      I cannot link to Spencers article because he has removed it.

      • Angemon says

        May 31, 2015 at 5:35 am

        Semeru posted:

        “No Spencer will only protest behind a wall of SWAT, and the beat his breast as to how brave he and Geller are.”

        And good thing there was a SWAT unit on the scene last time he went to a public event, otherwise a Charlie-Hebdo-esque massacre would have taken place. But I suppose you would have preferred that outcome.

        “The bikers where prepared to go face to face with the moslems, despite threats of a confrontation”

        The bikers had no one of Robert or Pam’s standing on their side – it was much more in the muslim’s interests to play the victim rather than trying to kill someone.

        “Spencer stayed very quite about this event, and only mentioned it two days after it happened.”

        Is Robert somehow obliged to state his support for all events portraying themselves as “free-speech”? He stated he knows nothing about the organizer and he’s got so many spotlights on him he can’t blindly throw his name around. Your correligionists complained about seeing someone sporting Nazi symbols. If Robert had openly supported this event, I bet the news we’d be seeing would not be “anti-islamic protest took place in front of a mosque” but “Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller support Neo-Nazis”.

        Something this obvious shouldn’t need explaining.

        “It was the same as the EDL. it went nearly two years before he acknowledged them. and it did not take long before he dropped them.”

        Tommy Robinson, one of the founders of the EDL, also dropped them for, and I’m paraphrasing here, being filled with unsavory people (nazism racists, etc) and not representing what he had envisioned for the organization.

        Now, why should Mr. Spencer continue to support an organization when even one of its founders abandoned the ship?

        “Spencer reported this on Jihad watch when Spencer retorts that that Johnson is a “libelblogger” ”

        See, this is what happens when you copy/paste from somewhere else without any rhyme or reason. Who is Johnson, and why is he relevant to the topic at hand, the topic at hand being the protest in Phoenix?

        “I cannot link to Spencers article because he has removed it.”

        Don’t go there. This is not the first time you claim that JW removed an article. The last time I remember you doing so, you included a link to prove your case, and I proved that you were posting a wrong link and that the article was still on the site. Remember that? You don’t? Well, maybe this will refresh your memory:

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/to-end-discrimination-aceh-to-impose-sharia-on-non-muslims-as-well-as-muslims#comment-1125331

        “then there was the digesting Sodomy jihad Fatwa article which he posted here. It has been taken down.

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/sodomy-jihad-fatwa-strange-and-disgusting-but-true.htm”

        Here’s the article you claimed it was “taken down”:

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/sodomy-jihad-fatwa-strange-and-disgusting-but-true.html

        • Semeru says

          May 31, 2015 at 10:53 am

          Ha Ha Ha Agrononse does not know who libel blogger Johnson yet he claims he has been on this following this site for a long time, Libel blogger Johnson is no other than Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs.

          The link that I had did not work so. I tried another approach and here is the result

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/libelblogger-charles-johnson-of-little-green-footballs-digs-deeper-adding-new-lies-to-his-original-o

          In the article Adrian Morgan claims that Spencer left before the arrival of EDL.

          Further on Paul Weston says

          Robert Spencer did not meet any of the English Defence League.

          Douglas Murray, who was in close conversation with Robert also refused to be associated with them.

          What Paul Weston fails to say, is that he was with the group that contained several EDL members that arrived while Spencer and Douglas Murray where flirting over a steak file.

          Paul Weston does not mention that one of the EDL members asked Spencer to autograph a book, Neither does Weston mention that one of the group, a prominent CJM member got into a very heated debate before Murray left.

          Spencer in 2009 refused to talk to the EDL.

          Agrononse once again leaps in to defend Spencer when I say that Spencer was very quick to drop EDL, with this Tommy Robinson, one of the founders of the EDL, also dropped them for, and I’m paraphrasing here, being filled with unsavory people (nazism racists, etc) and not representing what he had envisioned for the organization.

          Here you like many other in the CJM only knew only half the story

          At the time Tommy quit he was under investigation of the Serious Crime Squad,and was under a lot of pressure, because not only him but his wife and mother where facing jail, which also would have effected his children.

          If you had been following the EDL you would have known that the Nazi,s and racists had almost taken over the EDL, especially their Forum EDL Fomi. The leadership took down the forum and the fascists left to form there own group North West Infidels. This occurred before Tommy left the EDL. Tommy leaving the EDL was a tactical move because he was facing some very serious jail time.

          Tommy could not expose the real reasons for his leaving the EDL, he is still not allowed to say anything because of the conditions of his early release from jail. If you had watch his recent vide from the Oxford debate, you will notice he hints at the infringement of his freedom of speak.

          There is no reason for Spencer to hold EDL at a distance, as the nazi,s have departed. Today the nazi splinter group North West Infidels go on joint demos with the neo nazi National Front.

          BTW if you still believe that myth/satire about sodomy fatwah then you are a fool.

          Agrononse, See, this is what happens when you copy/paste from somewhere else without any rhyme or reason. Who is Johnson, and why is he relevant to the topic at hand, the topic at hand being the protest in Phoenix

          Actually you are right Johson (Charles) is a bit irrelevant to to bikers in Phoenix, but the rest of the story about Spencer not meeting with the EDL is. Why did Spencer not mention anything about the bikers until 2 days after the event, why it take him 2 years to acknowledge the EDL.

          Have I can go further back why couldn’t Spencer acknowledge the BNP, especially when way back as 2006 when BNP were the only group that was exposing the sex child grooming, no Spencer ignored the grooming and took the same line as Nick Lowes and slammed the BNP as racist.

          Spencer is full of praise for Geert Wilder, but where on this blog has Spencer mentioned anything about Nick Griffin,s court cases, where the crown where trying to put him in jail for speaking out against islam, and pointing out that child grooming was sanctioned in the koran.

          Could it be because of financial reasons, that being associated with bikers or EDL will effect have a negative affect. Could it be because Spencer doesn’t want to “dirty his hands” with the likes of BNP.

          So Agrononse, just when did Spencer Start writing about child grooming, I will bet my bottom dollar it was not until it was being reported by the MSM.

          And a lot of credit must go to the BNP for drawing to public attention, and to the EDL for pressuring the authorities with demos to pay attention.

        • Angemon says

          May 31, 2015 at 5:00 pm

          The dunce posted:

          “Ha Ha Ha Agrononse does not know who libel blogger Johnson”

          Dunce, go and read what I wrote again.

          “yet he claims he has been on this following this site for a long time”

          First of all, where did I claim that? Second, you can trace my posts to 2013 or 2012, and I was following this site before that. Whether that’s “a long time” or not depends on what one considers to be a long time.

          What I wrote stands: you copy/paste from somewhere else without any rhyme or reason. If you were constructing a cogent, well-structured post, you would have explained who Johnson is in the process, and why is he allegedly relevant to the topic at hand, the topic at hand being the protest in Phoenix. You should go read articles by Mr. Spencer – when he names someone he gives a brief description of them. Because that’s how cogent, well-structured posts are done – they don’t assume that other people can read your mind and know exactly who are you talking about.

          “Libel blogger Johnson is no other than Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs.”

          And how is he related to the protest in Phoenix?

          “The link that I had did not work so. I tried another approach and here is the result”

          So I was right – once again, you tried to claim Mr. Spencer removed a post when he didn’t.

          In any case, Spencer’s support of EDL, or lack of it, is irrelevant to the protest in Phoenix. It’s just another of your irrelevant tangents meant to derail topics.

          “BTW if you still believe that myth/satire about sodomy fatwah then you are a fool.”

          I’m a fool because I believe something that was proved to be true? Says the guy who tried to defend the practice of drinking camel urine…

          More from the dunce

          “Actually you are right Johson (Charles) is a bit irrelevant to to bikers in Phoenix, but the rest of the story about Spencer not meeting with the EDL is.”

          So Charles Johnson is irrelevant to the topic at hand, while Robert not meeting with the EDL… also is (irrelevant to the topic at hand). Got it.

          “So Agrononse, just when did Spencer Start writing about child grooming, I will bet my bottom dollar it was not until it was being reported by the MSM.”

          Spencer is an american citizen in America who was denied entrance in the UK. Why should it fall on him to protect the children in the UK from your rapist correligionists? And how is your correligionists raping children in England relevant to the protest in Phoenix? It seems you’re trying to throw whatever accusations you can make at Mr. Spencer, much like a monkey with its feces.

        • Semeru says

          Jun 1, 2015 at 9:34 am

          It is relevant, Spencer silence of this event only indicates how Spencer is reluctant to sully his hands by even mentioning the biker event. Much the same way he remained quite about the BNP, and his distancing himself from the EDL.

          You have been here just long enough to know Spencer view about EDL.

          But Spencer wrote on this site Jan 20 2008 As I have said before, I completely disavow all racist and neo-Nazi ideas. I also disavow all race-based approaches to the jihad threat, for the reasons explained above, and will not work with the VB or the BNP. I hope other anti-jihadists will find those arguments compelling and follow suit.

          Now it is pretty obvious that Spencer was getting information from Searchlight and Nick Lowes.

          Spencer refused to even report a major event in the CJM in England. Just recently Spencer has mentioned bout Nick Lowes disgusting behaviour about attacking those who spoke up about the grooming gangs. Yet Spencer forgets that in he was doing the same as Nick Lowes. Spencer was speaking against the only people who where putting the spotlight on the islamopedio gangs.

          Below is an excellent video

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piiGqzDGvH8

          Because of this video Griffins faced two court hearing, and was agitated at both.

          This is long before before Geert wilder was ever heard of in the CJM

          Spencer and JW wished to ignore above video, no Spencer and Co chose to listen to Searchlight and Nick Lowes

          And again in 2009 as I mention further up, he states he would not work with nazi, he was referring to the EDL. And lets not forget EDL,s role in bringing the Grooming to public attention

          No Spencer does want to sully his hand with the like of Bikers, EDL or the BNP

          Spencer has no obligation to protect the children in the UK from moslem but he can refrain from calling those who faced long prison sentences or took part in demos nazi,s

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/01/vlaams-belang-allies-with-british-national-party

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/libelblogger-charles-johnson-of-little-green-footballs-digs-deeper-adding-new-lies-to-his-original-o

          BTW. You cannot prove I am a moslem

        • Angemon says

          Jun 1, 2015 at 3:49 pm

          The dunce posted:

          “It is relevant, Spencer silence of this event only indicates how Spencer is reluctant to sully his hands by even mentioning the biker event. Much the same way he remained quite about the BNP, and his distancing himself from the EDL.”

          No, dunce, it’s irrelevant. Robert has stated he does not know the organizer. Is he, JW or AFDI forced to go into whatever event happens to dub itself as being “Pro-Freedom”? No, they are not.

          “But Spencer wrote on this site Jan 20 2008 As I have said before, I completely disavow all racist and neo-Nazi ideas. I also disavow all race-based approaches to the jihad threat, for the reasons explained above, and will not work with the VB or the BNP.”

          So Robert is somehow the bad guy for not wanting to side with racists trying to capitalize on the CJ movement? If he had done you you’d be here telling me how Robert was a terrible person who supported racists. You are a fraud, dunce, and you’re not fooling anyone. We can perfectly see that your goal here is to throw whatever mud you can scrounge at Robert, Pamela, Dr. Sennels, or ayone else in the CJ movement. You’re like a monkey with its feces – we can smell you miles away, and we’re not buying into your crap.

          More from the dunce:

          “Below is an excellent video

          Because of this video Griffins faced two court hearing, and was agitated at both.

          This is long before before Geert wilder was ever heard of in the CJM

          Spencer and JW wished to ignore above video, no Spencer and Co chose to listen to Searchlight and Nick Lowes”

          Where is this video?

          “And again in 2009 as I mention further up, he states he would not work with nazi, he was referring to the EDL. And lets not forget EDL,s role in bringing the Grooming to public attention”

          Like I said, dunce, we got your number miles away. If Robert had stuck with racists and neo-Nazis you’d be here telling us how much of a terrible person he was for siding with racists and neo-Nazis.

          “Spencer has no obligation to protect the children in the UK from moslem but he can refrain from calling those who faced long prison sentences or took part in demos nazi,s”

          Calling who what, dunce?

          “BTW. You cannot prove I am a moslem”

          And you can’t prove you’re not. So if it talks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and tries to undermine forefront members of the CJ movement with every inconceivable joke accusations he can pull out of his ass like a duck then I’m going to call it what it is: a flapping beast with webbed feet and beak – a duck, you muslim dunce.

      • RonaldB says

        May 31, 2015 at 11:56 am

        “No Spencer will only protest behind a wall of SWAT, and the beat his breast as to how brave he and Geller are.”

        You are not informed on facts.

        It’s true that the cartoon exhibition was well-organized and well-secured. Every attendee was put through a detector and had to have an advance ticket. Spencer and Geller paid for a private security team to help secure and protect the area. This was just good sense in light of the type of event and the publicity it was getting.

        But, you implied that Spencer was a coward who only appears when protected by security and SWAT teams.

        I had the personal experience of attending rallies at which Spencer spoke.

        One was a demonstration against the Muslim persecution of Christians in Dallas, May 17, 2014. Spencer was there, and standing in the open. Anyone could go up to him and speak to him. There were counter-demonstrators there and police, but no attempt to search anyone or restrict movement.

        A second demonstration was at the protest to the “Stand with the Prophet” conference January 17, 2015. Spencer and Geller were there as featured speakers. Although there was a heavy police presence, anyone could access Spencer or Geller as long as you were not obviously one of the counter-protesters.

        So, your implication that Spencer is a coward and only appears when shielded by security is untrue.

      • gravenimage says

        May 31, 2015 at 11:37 pm

        The disgusting Semeru wrote:

        No Spencer will only protest behind a wall of SWAT, and the beat his breast as to how brave he and Geller are.
        ……………………………

        So—Semeru believes that unless a short middle-aged scholar and a woman, both entirely non-violent people, are eager to stand without protection against homicidal Mohammedans armed with automatic weapons bent on mass murder that they are—somehow—lacking in courage?

        How sickening.

        The fact is that Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller face death threats from ravening Muslims all the time, and they have not backed down from their principled stance.

        Notice that Semeru has not a word of criticism for the Muslims planning a massacre of unarmed poeple, but just for Anti-Jihadists who dare rely on Infidel police and security. *Ugh*.

        • Champ says

          May 31, 2015 at 11:47 pm

          Notice that Semeru has not a word of criticism for the Muslims planning a massacre of unarmed poeple, but just for Anti-Jihadists who dare rely on Infidel police and security. *Ugh*.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Great point, Graven.

          And I have Zero respect for anything sickening ‘semeru’ states — whatta clown!

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 1, 2015 at 3:16 pm

          Agreed, Champ.

  11. mortimer says

    May 30, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    The jihad protesters versus the delusional jihad enablers!

    The cultural Marxists want their exotic pets to destroy America, so they rally to defend the jihadists.

    The fact that there was even a PROTEST is a sign that the 70% of Americans who fear jihad have started to stir.

    The counterjihad is gathering steam.

    • thelmalou says

      May 30, 2015 at 10:25 pm

      Counterjihad– a just and noble enterprise.

    • Bezelel says

      May 31, 2015 at 9:54 am

      mortimer, I agree. Pamela and Robert went out of their way, as in holding the event privately and provided private security and if not for the attack the media would have certainly done their best to ignore them. As it were, the jihad attack forced the media to report. So instead of reporting, they blow smoke up every ones asses by blaming the victims. Robert knows the scrutiny they’re under and is up for the job. It is a good thing that their event was impeccably planned since the enemedia will certainly be doing more victim blaming. It would not surprise me if Pamela and Robert are blamed for any injuries at any future events. We are dealing with dementia at the highest level. I still think it’s good that the message is getting out that islam doesn’t belong any where and that they are the ones who have to change.

  12. Donovan Nuera says

    May 30, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    Can a news outlet please show the cartoons? Why should bikers not be allowed to show their creative talents; many of them have well-done tattoos or create them themselves. A lot of veterans doodle while passing the time off of duty overseas. You don’t have to don a smock and beret to be “un artiste”. I am glad they have open-carry laws in AZ. I am not glad that the liberal mayor is one of those “I support the 1st Amendment BUT…” types..

  13. Babs says

    May 30, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    I really do wish that the organizers hadn’t worn the profane tee shirts. If I see someone in a tee shirt like that directed at any group I disregard anything they might say.
    That was a real turn off for me.

  14. Papa Whiskey says

    May 30, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    … when you demonize and marginalize legitimate concerns about jihad terror, including jihad plotting in mosques, you’re not going to bottle people up and make the concerns go away. You’re just going to get more radical protests.

    Indeed. In an address on the first anniversary of the Alliance for Progress on March 13, 1962, John F. Kennedy noted that “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” The same applies to resistance, a point the enemies of free speech had best mark well.

  15. Paladin says

    May 31, 2015 at 12:07 am

    Two Phoenix men showed up at the event with assault rifles and were killed by police.

    Yeah, that’s what happened. They didn’t shoot any security guards or cops or anything. Those “Phoenix men” just showed up.

    • thelmalou says

      May 31, 2015 at 5:14 pm

      This has gotten to be a (somewhat sick) joke around our house. To paraphrase Obama, “It was just some FOLKS killing other FOLKS”. Or “Some FOLKS were beheaded yesterday by some FOLKS, and then some other FOLKS blew up a church.” etc etc Can he BE any more vague?

  16. Mickey says

    May 31, 2015 at 12:15 am

    I don’t hang around with bikers.
    They can be dangerous and they cuss a lot.
    But by God, they’ve “got the back” of my 1st Amendment right!
    Bikers, I am in your debt. Thank you for telling Sharia law “to shove it!”
    My older brother, a mechanic, told me you can’t fix a problem sometimes unless you cuss at it.
    Well, here it goes: “Hey, Sharia, shove it!”
    Man! My 1st Amendment feels good.
    Thank you, Phoenix bikers!!

  17. Undaunted says

    May 31, 2015 at 12:45 am

    Guns and bullets. Guns and lots of bullets. Lots of guns and lots of bullets in the hands of brave Americans.

    Islam loses.

    The eternal math.

    • VRWC member77 says

      May 31, 2015 at 12:59 pm

      Exactly. What’s the difference between Charlie Hebdo and Garland/Phoenix?…….the 2nd Amendment.

      I was irked by these local dhimmi “reporters” who were shoving their recording devices in the face of a guy who was openly armed and was wearing a face covering. The one dhimmi “reporter” was asking the armed fellow what his name was while preening that he wasn’t wearing any disguises.

      It would have been nice if a group of perhaps 10-15 people working in hand with the biker demonstrators had a bunch of video recording devices to shove in the face of the dhimmi “journalists” and ask them questions like:

      – “Do YOU believe homosexuals should have the right to get married in mosque?”

      – “If not, do YOU believe all Muslims to be homophobic?”

      – Do YOU believe a Muslim man has the right to beat his wife according to Surah4:34?”

      ….and so on.

      Get about 50 people to post these types of videos and let them spread by word-of-mouth. The media dhimmi’s need to be knocked off the perch they believe they have control over.

  18. Samuel Clemens says

    May 31, 2015 at 3:09 am

    It was actually a nice rally if you ask me. A man who claimed to be the president of the mosque was talking with me and a few protesters when I specifically asked him where the Quran says not to kill. He got “if you kill one person…” out his mouth before I said Quote 5:32 from the beginning and continue with 5:33 for some context, stop cherry picking. Poor guy was speechless. He continued to back peddle till I offered to read a copy of Umdat Al-Salik with him right there. Poor fella was polite but I have zero tolerance for lies and deception.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 1, 2015 at 4:16 pm

      Excellent stuff, Samuel. Nothing better than an Infidel who knows his stuff.

      I live your username, by the way.

  19. Davegreybeard says

    May 31, 2015 at 3:37 am

    It is so refreshing to see the article on the Phoenix demonstration posted Jihad Watch, along with a lively discussion about it. This is excellent news, both the demonstration and posting of it at JW.

    I should not have doubted.

    We need to encourage this brave man, Jon Ritzheimer and those brave men who rode to support him in this operation. We need more of it. A lot more of it. And the American biker is the perfect group to encourage in these endeavors.

    As a biker myself, I can tell you that we are ALWAYS looking for an excuse to ride. And if it’s for a worthy, patriotic cause and some bully is telling us we can’t, and threatening our lives if we do – it’s a challenge that’s damn near irresistible. If it is possible for me to be part of such an operation, I’m there buddy, with heat.

    @Undaunted
    Guns and bullets. Guns and lots of bullets. Lots of guns and lots of bullets in the hands of brave Americans

    And judging by Undaunted’s comment, I’ll bet he’s with us too and maybe more like him, watching from the high ground, covering the flanks and the rear.

    How about a cartoon challenge between rival biker clubs? Or wear your favorite Muhammad cartoon T shirt, as you ride past the local mosque. Better yet how about a rally celebrating Allah’s daughters, Al Lat, Al Uzza and Manat – a lot of room for imagination on that one!

    Bottom line, we need to encourage more of this!

    • Angemon says

      May 31, 2015 at 5:46 am

      Davegreybeard posted:

      “It is so refreshing to see the article on the Phoenix demonstration posted Jihad Watch, along with a lively discussion about it. This is excellent news, both the demonstration and posting of it at JW.

      I should not have doubted.”

      Mr. Spencer says he knows nothing about the organizer. I guess that’s why he didn’t publicize the event, assuming he was aware of it beforehand – if he happened to give his support to an event where the attendees, for example, sported swastikas, Ibrahim “Honest Abe” Hooper would make sure that for the next month or so we’d hear “Islamophobes Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller support Neo-Nazis, try to bully innocent muslims on a mosque” daily on the news.

      • underbed cat says

        May 31, 2015 at 8:48 am

        Yes, in my opinion that is exactly what would happen….dressed in the finest suit and geared to the intellectual group…who would be horrified…CAIR does what is does…

    • Daniel Triplett says

      May 31, 2015 at 3:09 pm

      The bikers are a patriotic crowd who respect our military and the Constitution. I respect and admire all they do for the vets. They often get together, with flags snapping in the wind on their bikes, to provide escort for the funeral precessions. It’s always soul stirring to watch, bringing tears to my eyes. And they are much appreciated by the bereaving families.

  20. Laura says

    May 31, 2015 at 4:40 am

    Drawings of Muhammad, who muslims wrongly believe to be a prophet, are deemed insulting to easily offended followers of Islam and have sparked unspeakable violence around the world.

  21. Aton says

    May 31, 2015 at 5:46 am

    So, let me get this straight.

    Muslims turn up a churches with guns to kill Christians, and the MSM does not comment.

    Christians turn up at a mosqu with guns to protect the Christians from Muslim violence, and the MSM thinks that is terrible.

    Question…
    How much is Saudi Arabia paying the American MSM? Or are all reporters merely traitors, who should be given the full punishment allowable under that law?

    Aton

    • Angemon says

      May 31, 2015 at 5:47 am

      The reporters are reporters – they report what’s on the teleprompter and cash their paychecks every week (or every month, or however often it’s in the US).

  22. Gufo says

    May 31, 2015 at 6:09 am

    The difference between Europe and US is as usual Americans being armed, and Europeans being unarmed. Which is why in Europe muslim terrorism makes more victims, and the reason why obama is desperately trying to disarm Americans. He wants his muslim friends to run freely, be the only ones with weapons, and more blood on the streets of America.

    • RonaldB says

      May 31, 2015 at 11:45 am

      “He wants his muslim friends to run freely, be the only ones with weapons, and more blood on the streets of America.”

      Exactly!

      Owning guns are not going to enable Americans to fight the government. If a government is going to be a tyranny, they have the military organization and special forces to enforce it. One of the first things the Nazis did in 1933 was confiscate private guns and close down civic organizations that might be competition for the Nazi party. The point is, if the government determines to confiscate private arms, it can do so.

      However, the benefit of private arms is exactly as you mentioned: to protect against non-government violence. The use of street gangs, particularly Muslim street gangs and rape gangs, is a means for the Muslim dawah to erode confidence in native government and institutions. The street gangs carry out acts that the government cannot be associated with, but which serve the purposes of a revolutionary government. You could see this very clearly in Rotterham, where prior to the publicity that forced the government to act, somewhat, the police actually protected the rapists and arrested a protesting parent.

      So, look for leftists and Muslims to carry out a war against private ownership of arms. Armed citizens can protect themselves against street thugs and street gangs, which are in many cases, government-sponsored “vanguard of the (Islamic) revolution”.

  23. Red Bee says

    May 31, 2015 at 12:21 pm

    What the organizer of this event does is making matters worse. His concerns are understandable, but his solutions are inadequate. The Islamic war machine possesses the weapon of threatening violence. We can’t take that away from them so we should seek ways to minimize the effectiveness of this weapon. Providing jihadis with targets is doing the exact opposite.

    Jihadis do not wear shirts that identify them as such; why should we tell them who and where to attack? Why give information when we don’t have to?

    Of course we must have another draw Mohammad contest, but this time choose a location that is difficult to attack.

    Also a free speech or anti-Islam rally should not be outside a mosque. There you don’t know what type of Muslims you are dealing with, jihadis or Muslims that support free speech. It also establishes a dangerous precedent; Muslims will claim the right to rally outside churches too. This is exactly what the Islamic propaganda machine wants: riots, isolated skirmishes, innocent people getting hurt, religious war.

    A rally outside a mosque should have something to do with that particular mosque; protesting the imams failure to condemn the jihadis from his mosque for example.

  24. Elisheva14 says

    May 31, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    Just today I read about a Synagogue in Jerusalem being attacked by Muslims.

    http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/arab-terrorists-attack-jerusalem-synagogue-with-molotov-cocktails-bottles-of-paint/?omhide=true&utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Arab+Terrorists+Attack+Jerusalem+Synagogue+With+Molotov+Cocktails%2C+Bottles+of+Paint&utm_campaign=20150531_m126003650_5%2F31+Breaking+Israel+Video%3A+Arab+Terrorists+Attack+Jerusalem+Synagogue+With+Molotov+Cocktails%2C+Bottles+of+Paint&utm_term=Attack+targets+Siliwan+Synagogue+Near+the+Western+Wall

  25. voegelinian says

    May 31, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    “The mainstream media’s avidity to link Pamela Geller and me to this protest …”

    Why not be linked to this protest? It can’t be because not being linked to it will make the PC MC mainstream like Spencer any better — as he himself notes in the very same quote I just quoted above:

    “The mainstream media’s avidity to link Pamela Geller and me to this protest …”

    Apparently, Spencer’s and Geller’s fastidious distance they maintained this event, lest they catch its robustly “radical” cooties didn’t do any good. Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t. If Spencer can see this, then his and Geller’s disinclination to robustly support this event (which would have included pitching in to promote it beforehand) cannot be summed up by a tactical maneuver (unless they are unusually dim, which they are not); and we must conclude they actually believe on principle, not merely on the level of tactics, that the approach of Jon Ritzheimer, former Marine and current anti-Islam activist who was the force behind the event, called “Freedom of Speech Rally Round II”, a conscious and informed “response to the Garland event Spencer and Geller organized.

    It’s nice when the Counter-Jihad works together in such a close-knit way, eh? I mean, it’s not like the problem we are all facing is all that monstrously deadly to our lives, property, values and societies; right…?

    • voegelinian says

      May 31, 2015 at 3:08 pm

      Addition:

      “…we must conclude they [Spencer and Geller] actually believe on principle, not merely on the level of tactics, that the approach of Jon Ritzheimer was (in the words of Spencer’s and Geller’s detractors at FOX News] something along the lines of a “dumb move”.

    • Robert Spencer says

      May 31, 2015 at 3:41 pm

      Voeg I know your dislike of me is so intense that it clouds your judgment, and I do wonder at the sanity of someone who would stick around so many years at the site of someone he so clearly detests, but in this case, the fact is, I was not involved in this event, and so I could not say otherwise. And I found it noteworthy that despite our obvious non-involvement, the media tried to link us to the event. That is all. The rest is your usual ravings.

      • Dr John says

        May 31, 2015 at 4:42 pm

        Sock it to him Robert. You are our man.

        • Champ says

          May 31, 2015 at 5:56 pm

          Sock it to him Robert. You are our man.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Indeed …

          And voeg please don’t send me a *group email* whining for help and complaining that NO ONE came to your defense ’cause you won’t get any help from me!

        • Angemon says

          May 31, 2015 at 7:47 pm

          Champ posted:

          “And voeg please don’t send me a *group email* whining for help and complaining that NO ONE came to your defense”

          Wait, what? He actually did that?

        • Champ says

          May 31, 2015 at 8:52 pm

          Angemon …

          Yes — he did. Last month voeg sent me — and about 8 or 9 others, a group email complaining that no one was coming to his defense; basically, shaming us. And I did not reply to this request nor did I come to his defense. I, too, was suprised that he sent out a *group email* asking for help. I know, who does that?!

        • Angemon says

          May 31, 2015 at 9:06 pm

          Champ posted:

          “Yes — he did. Last month voeg sent me — and about 8 or 9 others, a group email complaining that no one was coming to his defense; basically, shaming us.”

          It’s bad enough that he does that here, but he actually contacted JW regulars outside JW for that?

          Oh God.

        • Champ says

          May 31, 2015 at 9:13 pm

          ps …

          Regarding this “email club” ..initially I was led to believe that voeg wanted to start an email club in case Jihad Watch was hacked and we had no other way of staying connected to one another; or just to personally write one another about various topics on Jihad Watch, so I thought ‘ok, sounds great!’

          But then the “email club” turned into a platform that voeg used for “group emails” for his own entertainment. I remember one group email that went out (about a year ago) where he had expressed disappointment in ‘ME’ to everyone else in the CLUB, and that’s when I told him to take me off of the list because that wasn’t what I signed up for: public humiliation. Obviously he didn’t take me off of his list because I received another group email last month. Time to block him ..oh bother.

        • Champ says

          May 31, 2015 at 9:26 pm

          It’s bad enough that he does that here, but he actually contacted JW regulars outside JW for that?

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          I know! ..he’s done this a few times and it’s very annoying!

          And it only makes me mad and then he doesn’t get the desired response, from me. Not only do I NOT defend him, but instead I’ll kick him in the balls for all the world to see. Yeah he isn’t too bright, afterall, since this strategy only works against him. That said, his guilt-trip strategy has worked on *some* people — since I’ve seen them come to his defense. Yeah voeg needs to grow up and stop guilting people, and then fight his OWN battles.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 1, 2015 at 6:39 am

          That’s… disturbing, to say the least, Champ.

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        May 31, 2015 at 5:04 pm

        Once you get dragged through your first mud pit, then any mud pit will do to keep the stuff fresh. Not that the anti-freedom hysteria after Garland was your first pit, but it was your first drag through on the world stage of the major media, pulled by star news entertainers, no less.

      • Linde Barrera says

        Jun 1, 2015 at 2:40 am

        To Robert Spencer- I am so happy that I have stumbled across your excellent website, and I believe God led me to it. I think in all honesty, that this website is addicting! have told several friends and family members about how Jihad Watch is committed to telling the truth about Islam. While some people who post here like to be “pot stirrers” and argumentative, even uppity, the vast majority have concrete, valid, truthful comments to share. I appreciate all the comments. I am a little surprised by the number of atheists and agnostics who post here, but they dont offend me at all. They have a right to their beliefs, just like I do mine, and so does everyone else, as long as those beliefs do not hurt anyone. PS: You, Champ, Wellington, Philip Jihadski remember this: “Every knock is a boost.” (Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt)

        • Champ says

          Jun 1, 2015 at 4:08 am

          Thank you, Linde …

          I really like that quote, so I know you’ll love this song:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=140&v=2zRtpX60XD0

          Enjoy! 🙂

    • Angemon says

      May 31, 2015 at 5:06 pm

      voegelinian posted:

      “Why not be linked to this protest?”

      From the article:

      I don’t know anything about the organizer.

      That should suffice for a normal human being.

  26. sooz22 says

    May 31, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! They didn’t show up because they knew these tough biker patriots would kick their ass!! Gooooooo bikers!!!! You are the guys that should be running the USA. Nobody more patriotic than our all-American (mostly Harley ridin’!) biker dudes. 😉

  27. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    May 31, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    “Imagine if armed Muslim protesters had shown up at a church!,”

    Armed Moslem protesters (aka Mujahidin on a Jihad operation) show up at churches frequently. Sometimes they board up the windows and lock all the doors and set the building church, burning alive the flock trapped within because it’s Sunday morning. Sometimes hardworking Muhahidin show up with sledgehammers and tear a church down. Sometimes a civil servant Mujahidin shows up to notify the priest or nun that the church must be remove its exterior sign, or move to a more discreet location, or be disbanded altogether.

    The Hagia Sofia comes to mind. That place got busted a long time ago on a trumped up zoning violation and has been a architectural marvel tourist trap ever since.

    Moslems are very active around churches, just like they are around temples, ask any Hindu. And there is Moslem activity around synagogues, too, like when that Mujahidin in his SUV plowed down all those Jews on the sidewalk in front of the temple in Seattle years ago.

    Equivalency, a key instrument in the pro-Moslem Infidel tool kit, requires occlusion to operate.

  28. thelmalou says

    May 31, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    In response and agreement to a post above by Ronald B, I would caution people from thinking we can “liberate” female Muslims who will then show undying gratitude. As a (current) feminist who was caught up in a cult fairly seriously for 5+ years (ages 17-21) I think it may be the case that the female Muslims will be an even tougher case than the men. They will be as dangerous as lionesses with cubs. The amount of deprogramming necessary to get women on “our side” is beyond calculation. Sorry to compare humans (again) to animals, but have you ever tried to rescue a cat out of a tall tree? It will scratch the **** out of you.

    • Angemon says

      May 31, 2015 at 7:44 pm

      thelmalou posted:

      “have you ever tried to rescue a cat out of a tall tree? It will scratch the **** out of you.”

      Been there, done that. Luckily it missed my eyes and I was young enough not to get any permanent scars. And it was my f***ing cat, BTW – it should have known better.

    • RonaldB says

      Jun 1, 2015 at 9:12 am

      Hi Thelmalou,

      Happy to hear from you.

      I agree with your assessment and go one further. The fervent Muslims are deeply committed to Islam and sharia. You’re not going to pop them out of it with a deprogramming session. Truthfully, I’m not too thrilled with the “deprogramming” methods that were in vogue several years ago. See the movies “Split Image” and “Ticket to Heaven”.

      Anyway, in my opinion, we have to respect the choices that Muslims make to be Muslim…as long as they’re in a Muslim country. In a free country like the US, they cause terrible problems, and fundamentally change the nature of the society, but the solution will not be the conversion of Muslims or a moderation of domestic Muslims. The fascist structure of sharia is too embedded in the Muslim identity.

      Anyway, Muslim women in the US are subject to the same protections as all women. In a sense, they’re getting a free ride, but that’s the nature of a free and organized society. The problem is, once you get too many Muslim families in the US, the mistreatment of women becomes so endemic that the security services get overwhelmed, and the protection of actual American women deteriorates. There’s also the huge problem of a Muslim co-option of the political process, such that the police either ignore or actively cooperate in the mistreatment of women. You see an example of this in Rotterham, England.

      The best way to deal with Muslims, and Muslim women especially, is through plain old self-interest. Insist rigidly on maintaining US standards of justice and human rights to US women, Muslim or not. Also, an observance of our self-interest is to keep Muslims out, as their presence radically deteriorates any rights which women have.

  29. lacey says

    May 31, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    gays have more courage than jihdas ,the want to be real men but doant measure up ,

  30. Geppetto says

    May 31, 2015 at 6:29 pm

    Does anyone find it interesting that no Jihadis showed up to commit mass murder coupled with the fact that the event organizer made it plain that anyone attending should arm themselves. Do not these Jihadis realize that hesitation when faced with armed and determined foes casts a huge shadow of disbelief over their alleged commitment, bravery and Jihadist zeal?

  31. Sam says

    May 31, 2015 at 7:46 pm

    Islam is evil. So what is the talk about but fight it to the end. Sick of Islam and enablers. Lets fight Islam anyway possible.

  32. gravenimage says

    May 31, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    Jihadis don’t show up at Phoenix mosque protest, so no one gets hurt
    ………………………….

    Well, that’s the whole point, isn’t it? None of the protesters harmed anyone.

    And yet, Muslims and their useful idiots are pretending that it is Mohammedans who are in danger, and that the ravening Jihadist who intended to massacre an auditorium full of innocent people and whose attendance at this Mosque inspired the protest is overlooked entirely.

  33. robert bayer says

    Jun 1, 2015 at 6:56 am

    I will once again recommend using the Freedom of Speech promotion theme BUT in conjunction with specifically protesting specific crimes against humanity by Islam. In this way, more people will understand the reason for the protests and the need for standing up to Sharia. Islam is doing FAR WORSE than simply giving death sentences for drawing cartoons and the world must NOT be allowed to think of Islam as the victim of freedom fighters wanting to stick their thumb in the eye of Islam.

    The MSM will be far less successful at portraying Islam as the victim if the freedom of speech protesters are protesting specific crimes against humanity by Islam. There are thousands to choose from from any given month.

    Far from it!

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