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Minnesota mosques, Muslim orgs complain about anti-terror program

May 1, 2015 7:16 pm By Robert Spencer

Minnesota Muslimas niqabHave you ever — ever! — seen Muslim organizations anywhere in the U.S. express their unreserved support for any anti-terror program? Instead, again and again we get this complaining that such programs stigmatize and discriminate against them. One might almost get the impression that Hamas-linked CAIR and the other Muslim groups involved here don’t want anti-terror programs to succeed. Surely that couldn’t be so, now, could it?

“Minnesota mosques, Muslim orgs raise concerns with anti-terror recruitment pilot,” by Mike Durkin, KSMP, May 1, 2015:

Nearly 50 mosques, Muslim organizations and student groups have signed a statement that highlights concerns with a federal pilot program to combat radicalization and terror recruitment in Minnesota.

“While we support the right of all Americans to live in democratic communities free of violence, we cannot in good conscience condone or help refine programs that are fundamentally discriminatory and are likely to further subject our community members to additional civil rights abuses,” said the statement released by the Minnesota chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

The statement lists 44 Muslim organizations as undersigned supporters, as well as the National Lawyers Guild.

Alternative plan suggested

“It is our recommendation that the government stop investing in programs that will only stigmatize, divide and marginalize our communities further,” the statement said.

The groups instead suggest the following framework to combat extremism:

Support for a Minnesota Muslim community-based task force, which is currently under development to serve as an outreach resource for law enforcement agencies.

Funds for anti-radicalization programs should be separated from federal counter-terrorism and law enforcement agencies. Instead, funding should come from foundations, community organizations and state and local government.

The Department of Justice should protect groups and individuals who intervene with those they believe are vulnerable to recruitment into extremist groups. Those who intervene should not be penalized with prosecution, watch-listing or surveillance because of their association with a potential violent extremist.

The statement also calls on Congress to investigate the federal government’s “overbroad surveillance of mosques and American Muslims, absent evidence of criminal activity.”

Community Resiliency Program

This Justice Department pilot program is designed to combat the recruiting of young men and women for terror by getting at root causes, like unemployment and a lack of opportunity. Other programs were started in Los Angeles and Boston, but Minnesota is the program everyone is watching. That’s because as many as 40 people have left Minnesota since 2007 to fight for al-Shabaab in Somalia and ISIS in Syria.

“There is a very sophisticated and persuasive message coming from overseas, that you have a better life, a more meaningful life, fighting overseas for terrorists,” U.S. Attorney Andy Luger said.

Luger wants to combat that message in several ways.

– Youth and after school programs

– Job fairs and job training programs

– Eliminate ethnic profiling at the airport

– Get more Somalis in law enforcement careers

– Increase engagement between religious leaders and youth

The U.S. Attorney’s Office in Minnesota is reviewing the statement released by CAIR regarding its pilot program.

Organizations listed on CAIR letter of concern
Read a complete copy of the letter at http://bit.ly/1I3DfD9
Council on American Islamic Relations CAIR MN
Global Somali Diaspora
Muslim Youth and Family Services
Islamic Relief & Social Services
African Family and Education Center
Abubakar As-Sidique Islamic Center
Tawfiq Islamic Center
Islamic Center of Twin Ports “ICTP”
mYouth
Brooklyn Park Islamic Center
Building Blocks of Islam
al-Mahmood Foundation
ICM-Muslim Youth of Minnesota
Dar Al-Farooq
Al Farooq Youth & Family Center
ICCMN/Al-Iman Center
Masjid Al-Ihsan
Islamic Center of Owatonna (Masjid Al Rahma)
Burnsville Mosque (Al Salaam)
Roshester Islamic Center
Irshad Islamic Center Eden Prairie
Masjid Al-Huda (ICCC)
Masjid Al Tawba/Eden Prairie Islamic Center (ICCC)
Ummatul Islam Center
Masjid Ash-Shafi
Masjid As-Sunnah (St Paul)
Minnesota Dawah Institute
Al Farooq Youth & Family Center
Dar-Alqalam Islamic Center
Abubakar As-Sidique Islamic Center-Faribault MN
Masjid Rowdah
Masjid Ni’mat ul-Islaam
Muslim student association SCSU
Mankato Islamic center
Islamic Center of Minnesota
Abukhadra Mosque
Al-Madinah Cultural Center
University of Minnesota Muslim Student Association
University of St Thomas Muslim Student Association
MCTC- Muslim Student Association
MNIA
MCC
Engage Minnesota Muslims
Global Deaf Muslim the Minnesota chapter

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Comments

  1. Thomas says

    May 1, 2015 at 7:27 pm

    Let’s have the fox guard the chicken house!

    • Tom Billesley says

      May 2, 2015 at 8:18 am

      Let’s pay the fox to guard the chicken house.

      • Karen says

        May 2, 2015 at 9:00 am

        Let’s pay the fox to guard the chicken house, and never check up on him.

    • Shane says

      May 2, 2015 at 9:51 am

      Isn’t that the philosophy of the Obama adminstration? I am surprised that ISIS, Boko Haram, and Al Qaeda did not sign the letter!

    • particolor says

      May 3, 2015 at 2:45 am

      I like the Islamic Relief & Social Services ?? What do they want ? Double Jizra Payments ??
      Their Cause isn’t mowing fast enough !
      Barbarians on the move Have No Patience !!

  2. Jaladhi says

    May 1, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    Whn terror is your religion tyen any anti-terror program will be considered anti-Muslim. It is as simple as that. Muslims will always complain, they don’t belong here and should be shipped back to Somalia ASAP.

  3. jihad3tracker says

    May 1, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    CAIR here again shows it has HUGE backchannel spider webs of press-release puppets who will do and say anything to avoid examination.

    But those seditionist frat boys at CAIR Minnesota are not smart enough to see how transparently jihadist their bull crap is..

    And let’s not forget that patriots at NSA / CIA / FBI patriots (who despise Barack Hussein O., and are NOT clueless about Islam) track EVERY move and communication by these human scum.

    Do you think it’s likely that they even have a surveillance drone program reserved exclusively for those pathological Allah-worshipping scum buckets?

    AS ALWAYS, I GIVE A SHOUT TO KEITH ELLISON AND ANDRE CARSON — WHO READ EVERY POST AT JIHAD WATCH. And speaking of drones, have you superb legislators noticed a seagull flying over your home recently . . . a bird that never lands ?

    Just a coincidence . . . ignore it.

    • Lia Wissing says

      May 2, 2015 at 5:20 am

      Of course they want exactly what they want: jihad, you know? Of course they hate being tracked: jihad, you know? Of course they hate being unmasked: jihad, you know? May the patriots go from strength to strength!

  4. Beagle says

    May 1, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    By claiming counterterrorism is actually an attack on Islam, stealth jihad groups like CAIR both gain domestic political and law enforcement allies. Moreover they surreptitiously recruit more Muslims for ‘defensive’ jihad without raising suspicion.

    Win-win-win.

  5. Jeff says

    May 1, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    cough.. Keith Ellison.. cough

  6. dumbledoresarmy says

    May 1, 2015 at 8:17 pm

    How DARE we pesky Infidels resist the Jihad! (Even the smallest, least coordinated and least informed attempts at resistance, currently seen in most western countries, are anathema to the Ummah, which – like any psycho rapist with a monstrously-swollen sense of entitlement – simply cannot endure NO for an answer).

  7. Papa Whiskey says

    May 1, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    What they’re demanding is, “throw pots of money at us and don’t look too closely at what we’re doing. In fact, don’t look at what we’re doing at all.”

  8. Georg says

    May 1, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    No, Robert, they interminably balk at criticism of Islamic extremism, but jump the mark with anti-Western hysteria; it doesn’t take a genius to see their leanings. I love this website because it so plainly demonstrates what we’re up against: decency versus hysteria. The arguments are and will be as contrived as can be promoting nonsense, but the normals’ rewards are practically self-evident and will guide the way (amidst fits of pain from retrograde ethnic supremacists).

  9. Don McKellar says

    May 1, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    GEE WILLIKERS, that is odd, ain’t it?

    How come there’s no anti-terror recruitment pilot for Catholic churches?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot for synagogues?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot for Sikh temples?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot for Jehovah Witness churches?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot for the Hare Krishna?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot for Baptists?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot for Wiccans?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot for Buddhists?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot for Satanists?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot for Spiritualists?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot for Lutherans?

    And on and on…

    And what about the atheists? Don’t those evil atheists get a anti-terror recruitment pilot of their own?

    No anti-terror recruitment pilot except for poor old innocent Islam! That’s just danged unfair to single them out! What’s a few Boston Bombers, Islamic States, hate mongering, public threats, World Trade Centers, Pentagons, military base shootings, snipers, subway bombings, and public beheadings between friends? Those aren’t reasons to single them out! What about the other religions? It’s not fair!

    • More Ham Ed says

      May 2, 2015 at 9:11 pm

      Don’t forget that according to far-left “moral-equivalence” even if one Buddhist or Baptist commits violence due to a mental problem or just being angry, that it’s just as bad as if 100,000 Muslims commit violence. 100,000 to 1 that’s fairly-tilted playing field. It might even be 1 million to one.

  10. Wellington says

    May 1, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    I submit that Muslims complaining about anti-terror programs are behaving as very good Muslims for the purpose of deflecting attention on the terroristic faith which goes by the name of “Islam.” After all, did not Islam’s seriously warped founder say, “I have been made victorious with terror” {Bukhari Hadith 4.52.220} and doesn’t the Koran in numerous passages invoke the use of terror, e.g., Sura 8:60, as a way of insuring the ultimate success of Islam everywhere?

    Were I a Muslim ( and thank Solon, Cleisthenes, Leo III, Charles Martel, Urban II, John Sobieski——yes, it;s a very long list that——that I’m not), I too would be against anti-terror programs since the chances would be that such programs (if devoid of pc/mc nonsense) would have to keep an eye out on Islam more than any other religion or ideology. Easily so.

    Have Islam? Well then, terror is lurking just around the corner. Guaranteed no matter what the pathetic current crop of Western elites like Obama and Cameron and the many silly people presently in the media and academia may assert otherwise.

  11. somehistory says

    May 1, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    So many red flags jump right out. Like these two:

    Eliminate ethnic profiling at the airport

    – Get more Somalis in law enforcement careers
    ****************************************************************************
    By all means, stop the ethnic profiling at airports….all old, mainly white, ladies, crippled old men and little children, dressed like we might be Jews, Christians or non-religious people shouldn’t be pulled aside and our toothpaste squeezed, our shoes inspected and asked a million questions because muslims hijacked and crashed planes and would like to do so again.

    And, since so many somalis have *become radicalized* since coming to live in the country, some returning to their home country to al shabab, others to Syria for isis, the authorities would have to be totally without any reasoning ability if they hired more of them for *law enforcement.* Many of them do not want to live by the law of this land, but wish to impose sharia on the rest of us. Many wish us to live by the unlawfulness of the unlawful wild beast of satan.

    If all of these muslims and their groups don’t like being watched and efforts made to stop the *radicalization of the youth* then there are planes leaving all those airports where they are not *profiled* every day. Because one thing is clear: the majority of muslims don’t want to live without worshipping satan and his beast, islam and won’t willingly give it up.

  12. jewdog says

    May 1, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    These Muslim organizations are very clever. They use classic Marxist arguments about environmental factors, like poverty, causing terrorism and therefore claim that getting more freebies from the government is the correct response. This has the dual benefit of deflecting attention away from Islamic ideology and getting them more benefits. And if you disagree, then you are a racist. And this is by far the mainstream view, especially at the White House.

  13. traci94 says

    May 1, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    I feel so much frustration when I read stories like this. I agree, they never come out and decry the amount of terrorism that goes on, acts that are committed in the name of Islam, citing chapter and verse of the Qur’an to justify their actions. If they were TRULY sincere, they would actually support these counter terrorism measures. And, they just need to accept the plain FACT that it is only Muslims who are committing the violence and acts of terrorism. And I hope these groups like CAIR etc. do not get there way; our counter terrorism agencies and experts need to be FREE to do their jobs as they see fit and in ways that will promote the safety of the American people. We don’t need more stupid initiatives “reaching out” to the Muslim community. They’ve not assimilated into the communities around them because they just don’t want toi.

  14. Westman says

    May 2, 2015 at 3:32 am

    The statement also calls on Congress to investigate the federal government’s “overbroad surveillance of mosques and American Muslims, absent evidence of criminal activity.”—-

    Congress has lost patience with Islamic terrorism and the next POTUS will likely be a Republican. So that’s going to fly like a lead-poisoned duck. If anything, surveillence will increase.

  15. Michael Copeland says

    May 2, 2015 at 4:01 am

    CAIR: “we cannot .. condone … programs that are fundamentally discriminatory”.
    Every day CAIR condones a program that fundamentally discriminates against Jews and Christians, who are termed “apes and pigs, …the vilest of beasts”. This is profiling and discrimination on religious grounds, a program “that will only stigmatize, divide and marginalize our communities further”.

  16. Shmooviyet says

    May 2, 2015 at 4:46 am

    ‘The US Attorney’s Office in MN is reviewing the statement… by CAiR…” Are they paying attention to statements and fears of non-Muslim residents?
    A neighbor is still recovering from a 2+ year-old gang attack blocks from her home, during which a group of Somali kids bashed her head in with rocks and stole her cell phone, after following her off the MTA train. Does the US Attorney’s office give a damm about her case and others like it? Does Ellison represent her? Do these gangs merely lack jobs?
    The ‘framework’ listed above seems to include mainly ‘support’ and funds from local, state and federal sources, and ridiculous favors and protections for this select group from Congress and DOJ. CAIR knows which side of its bread is buttered, and takes full advantage of it, while the islamophobic taxpayers sit back and wait for the next wave of immigrants, tax hikes, and criminal attacks. Yet WE”RE the ones to be feared.

  17. mr clem snide says

    May 2, 2015 at 7:13 am

    It is only in the last week here in Australia that Ayaan Hirsi Ali was finally given airtime on the national broadcasters youth radio network. The interviewer asked reasonable questions and Ali was gib\vewn the opportunity to respond without interruption. That’s a first.
    #IDontCare$CAIR

  18. mr clem snide says

    May 2, 2015 at 7:14 am

    ahhhhh : #IDontCare4CAIR …

  19. Tom Billesley says

    May 2, 2015 at 8:34 am

    The Department of Justice should protect groups and individuals who intervene with those they believe are vulnerable to recruitment into extremist groups. Those who intervene should not be penalized with prosecution, watch-listing or surveillance because of their association with a potential violent extremist.
    At a stroke, all terrorist organizations, all terrorist groomers and recruiters, are protected intervenors.
    Want to travel freely interstate and internationally to organize terror financing? Call yourself a counsellor in an intervention group.
    Want to hold a meeting to plot terror attacks? Call it an intervention.
    Want a building in which to store arms and explosives? Call it an intervention centre.

  20. Karen says

    May 2, 2015 at 8:53 am

    Instead of a jobs fair, blah, blah, how about an in-school/in-mosque/in-home program that declares the U.S. is a great nation and civilization worth admiring, protecting, and perhaps even loving?

    As far as increasing “engagement between religious leaders and youth”, I guess that all depends on what is being taught by the religious leaders, doesn’t it? And that’s the big question in this circular argument.

    Nobody wants their community monitored, but there are rumors of in-mosque radicalization that can’t be ignored. Can they? Ordinary members can completely transform the situation by self-monitoring their mosque, loudly insisting on transparency and zero-tolerance of radicalization. It really won’t take much to reassure their fellow citizens there is nothing to fear.

  21. CGW says

    May 2, 2015 at 9:29 am

    I’d love to see gravenimage parse the entire statement for us.

  22. mezcukor says

    May 2, 2015 at 9:33 am

    We should get rid of CAIR. They were unindicted during the Holy land foundation trial . Some of their members were put in jail. They are Muslim mafia.

  23. Rezali Mehil says

    May 2, 2015 at 12:31 pm

    Salaam all,

    I have never been to Minnesota (roughly means small stick in Urdu) but am interested in seeing what happens to the muslim community there .

    I cannot understand you guys…when we try to put proposals for integration – guess what …you follow Spencer’s lead and want to turn them down …I mean you don’t even want to look at them.

    My own proposals are the so the salt & pepper proposals. Like food tastes best with the proper dose of salt and pepper..spread out nicely all over …so communities need to look like this. So to promote this I want each street in Minnesota to “adopt” a muslim family…just one.

    Then call them round for food party …make the effort to get halal coke and halal meat in …hide the booze and learn about Muhammad SAW and talk some of the lingo….

    e.g. Rezali — do you enjoy being a musllima?
    Rezali why do you say “Bismillah” into your children’s ear every night …what is the effect of this?

    Is the incentive of every muslim to become an Abdullah fo Allah SWT?…and so on.

    Learn some quotes ..like if I say “this halal curry tastes really nice”… you can say “alhum-dulilla …I made it myself”.

    Get into the flavour…it is up to you kuffar to make the effort to make that house available and pick one of the homeless Somali …or better still a Pakistani family.

    More Later …

    Rezali

    • Karen says

      May 2, 2015 at 2:22 pm

      Rezali, the people of Minnesota are renowned for their open arms and kindness. (No, I’m not from Minnesota.) Seems strange to lecture those generous people, although your idea is a good one. But the concern is radicalization, not cultural differences.

      BTW, not all non-Muslims drink, and many are offended by the term ‘kuffar’. So, you see, misunderstanding can run in both directions, even when you try hard to not offend. Unfortunately, your proposal seems very one-sided; shouldn’t both parties engage in give and take? I say this with a sincere and friendly heart.

      • RG says

        May 2, 2015 at 7:54 pm

        @Karen.
        Here’s something you can take to the bank, Karen. Your “friendly heart” toward people like “Rezali” will get you in deep trouble! He wants nothing more or less than to confuse the issues pertaining to democracy and islam. He’ll tell you they can exist side by side, BUT THAT’S A LIE FROM THE DEVIL’S CESSPOOL!!!! Muslims DO NOT want to co-exist with Western society, and particularly, they hate Western Jews and Christians who stick to their “guns”! Their only goal is to REPLACE our freedom and democractic way of life with their DEMONIC islamic SUBJUGATION AND SLAVERY!!!

        Here’s something else you can take to the bank…. REZALI IS BLOGGING ON THIS WEBSITE FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY – HE IS WAGING STEALTH JIHAD AGAINST ANY WEAK-MINDED SUCKER THAT HE THINKS HE CAN SINK HIS DEMONIC HOOK INTO!!!!!

        Remember the ‘Geicho’ commercials that say, “it’s what they do”? Well consider this a anti-muzzie commercial to inform you – “JIHAD WARFARE – IT’S WHAT MUZZLUMS DO”!!!!!

        • Rezali Mehil says

          May 3, 2015 at 6:02 am

          Salaam Karen,

          Let me sum up the situation for you..

          On the one side we have small minority frightened and exposed muslims…desperately trying to get on with their lives….on the ether end ..it is people like RG, Cicero, Western Canadian who want to finish us off.

          There are only people like you Karen … in the middle who can not only save muslims from slaughter but also …in the longer run save America.

          More Later …

          Rezali

        • Western Canadian says

          May 3, 2015 at 11:16 am

          Another example of a truly devout muslim: Incapable of opening her mouth and sitting at a keyboard, without telling vicious lies and smearing those who are on to his/her/its sick and criminal game.

      • Rezali Mehil says

        May 3, 2015 at 5:39 am

        Salaam Karen,

        Look at the replies carefully to my gesture of friendship and integration…these are Spencer’s people…(and Pam’s people). Spencer is their new saviour …carefully nurturing his flock ..we are at this stage and it frightening to peaceful muslim citizenry..

        Of course this “new” platform it is built on his ancestors strategy of long ago …8 times they walked a thousand miles …a thousand years ago into out homelands ..deadly crusaders…who slaughtered every man woman and child in Jerusalem…and then declared our homelands as their own…(of course they are doing it now as Israel).

        Muslims however are a resilient lot …over the course of a few hundred years we got our homelands back…and then we tried to create defensive borders in Spain…and upto Poland…to make it difficult for our homelands to be re-invaded….we have to defend ourselves.

        The world of course has changed a lot from those days ..kuffar have become lazy ..and required peoples from abroad to run their essential services in their societies …taxis, butchers, tailors, builders et al.

        The government ofcourse thought that looking at the discipline of muslim children would have a lasting effect on American child society …those wild, undisciplined modern obese children of modern America.

        Now at the request of your governments …we did come and once again people like “Western Canadian” wants to greet us with locked and loaded guns…see the difference …we welcome kuffara with open arms …they want to greet us with guns…it is the crusades all over again ..only this time in your own homelands …so nothing much has changed for the infidel in a 1000 years.

        In response to this …America must disarm its citizens …the Administration must protect it’s citizens …that is Obama’s job…mob rule of Rome must not be allowed to be imported into America…if the citizen says “take the gun away from their frozen dead hand” …then so be it …American law must take guns away by force …to protect it’s muslim citizens.

        I have been to a Christian home in the UK …I asked them what it means when they say “Jesus Saves “…the son (who did go to Sunday school) said …but Beckham scored off the rebound. ..when asked about the three wise men they pointed me to Gary Linekar, Gary Newbon and Andy Gray (I looked them up …and they are footballers turned pundits).

        I asked them of the holy ghost …and was greeted with blank looks…the holy ghost concept was an embarrassment to them ..how can a ghost be holy I asked …”search me they said?”

        You will get similar responses from “christians” like champ and lebara et al”.

        Like I said …kuffar need to step up…if you have lost faith in Christianity…our god Allah SWT will extend his arms out via his abdullahs …come …you are most welcome….see your local imam …don’t leave it to tomorrow…for who has seen tomorrow …go today …go now.

        More Later ….

        Rezali

        • Western Canadian says

          May 3, 2015 at 11:38 am

          “Look at the replies carefully to my gesture of friendship and integration…these are Spencer’s people…(and Pam’s people). Spencer is their new saviour …carefully nurturing his flock ..we are at this stage and it frightening to peaceful muslim citizenry..

          ++++++++++++
          Gestures of friendship?? You are, even for a devout muslim, incredibly stupid…. your so called ‘friendship’ to muslims, the criminals who have murdered, raped, and sold into slavery more human being than ALL other criminal organizations put together, is for productive and decent people to eagerly reduce themselves to the status of slaves to muslim blood suckers…….

          ———————————

          Of course this “new” platform it is built on his ancestors strategy of long ago …8 times they walked a thousand miles …a thousand years ago into out homelands ..deadly crusaders…who slaughtered every man woman and child in Jerusalem…and then declared our homelands as their own…(of course they are doing it now as Israel).

          +++++++++++++++++++

          Invaded your homelands?? No, reclaimed or tried to reclaim the homelands of the Jews, and others, from the vicious and criminal muslim invaders… Even for a muslim, you are really sick.
          ———————————————

          Muslims however are a resilient lot …over the course of a few hundred years we got our homelands back…and then we tried to create defensive borders in Spain…and upto Poland…to make it difficult for our homelands to be re-invaded….we have to defend ourselves.
          ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

          Again, not your homelands….. and invading other countries, or trying to time and time again, is NOT creating defensive borders… It was criminal unjust warfare against non-muslims, to reduce them to slaves to muslim criminals. Like you.

          ————————————————-

          The world of course has changed a lot from those days ..kuffar have become lazy ..and required peoples from abroad to run their essential services in their societies …taxis, butchers, tailors, builders et al.

          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

          Yes, by all means use your vicious and hate filled term for non-muslims, as you continue to lie about the west, and your muslim co-criminals.

          ——————————————-

          The government ofcourse thought that looking at the discipline of muslim children would have a lasting effect on American child society …those wild, undisciplined modern obese children of modern America.

          ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

          Ah yes, bring in useless blood suckers who live on welfare, commit crimes at an staggering rate (including rape and other forms of violence), to serve as examples to the productive and still vastly more decent west.

          ———————————-

          Now at the request of your governments …we did come and once again people like “Western Canadian” wants to greet us with locked and loaded guns…see the difference …we welcome kuffara with open arms …they want to greet us with guns…it is the crusades all over again ..only this time in your own homelands …so nothing much has changed for the infidel in a 1000 years.

          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

          What ‘our’ governments are doing is what was done for the Nazis (closest thing the west has ever produced that even comes close to islam)….. selling us out to them, and you.

          And a military response of the proper response to invaders like devout muslims.

          islam (RTC) has never greeted ‘the other’ with open arms…. only with force of arms. islam: the preferred religion of rapists, murderers, thieves and slave traders everywhere.

          And don’t repeat your pathetic lies about the crusades.. Yes, muslim criminals do NOT like it when their victims fight back.

          +++++++++++++++++++++

          In response to this …America must disarm its citizens …the Administration must protect it’s citizens …that is Obama’s job…mob rule of Rome must not be allowed to be imported into America…if the citizen says “take the gun away from their frozen dead hand” …then so be it …American law must take guns away by force …to protect it’s muslim citizens.

          ++++++++++++++++++++++

          No, the rest of the population must NOT be aided by corrupt and dirty politicians in reducing the rest of the population to the status of muslim slaves. And the reason muslim trash like you want to disarm your victims?? Because you are as cowardly as you are evil.

          ————————————-

          I have been to a Christian home in the UK …I asked them what it means when they say “Jesus Saves “…the son (who did go to Sunday school) said …but Beckham scored off the rebound. ..when asked about the three wise men they pointed me to Gary Linekar, Gary Newbon and Andy Gray (I looked them up …and they are footballers turned pundits).

          I asked them of the holy ghost …and was greeted with blank looks…the holy ghost concept was an embarrassment to them ..how can a ghost be holy I asked …”search me they said?”

          ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

          I have dealt with a large number of muslims, who either know NOTHING about their so called ‘holy’ books, or who like you, lie about them…. vicious hate literature that produces vicious haters, just like you.

          —————————————–

          You will get similar responses from “christians” like champ and lebara et al”.

          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

          Actually, no, if you read their posts, you would know better…. but being a devout muslim, that you will never do.

          ———————————–

          Like I said …kuffar need to step up…if you have lost faith in Christianity…our god Allah SWT will extend his arms out via his abdullahs …come …you are most welcome….see your local imam …don’t leave it to tomorrow…for who has seen tomorrow …go today …go now.

          +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

          No, we ‘kuffar’ need to deal with you like we dealt with the Nazis, with the KKK, and with all other hate groups…….

          ————————–

          More Later ….

          ++++++++++++++++

          No, it will be the same later….. same lies about the vicious crime of islam, more ignorance of the west, more stupidity and dishonest.

          garbage….

        • Joseph says

          May 3, 2015 at 11:44 am

          @ Rezali Mehil YOU SAID You will get similar responses from “christians” like champ and lebara et al”.
          ————————————————————————————–
          I would rebut you, but your whole thread is bait/lies and I will not fall for it. You CAN NOT have dialog with a Muslim for their eyes and ears are closed to the truth around them that Islam is a lie. Conversations with Muslims are one sided, so are so called “negotiations” with them.
          I will die first before I deny JESUS CHRIST and convert.
          Islam worships Satan you fool.

    • Cicero says

      May 2, 2015 at 4:23 pm

      Rezali Mehali,s invitation for the non- muslim to adopt a Somali or a Pakistani into their home and to ask them about their Islamic beliefs . Relies on the non- muslim being ignorant of the sly and deceitful ways as expounded and lived by Mohammed the founder of Islam itself. What it is asking the Unwary infidel is to allow themselves exposure to Dawah in order for the religion of peace to gain even greater traction in the enriching and welcoming non- Muslim societies

      It implies that the Muslim thus welcomed , feted and trusted will repay such kindness with friendship and loyalty.. Reading the history of India will give an insight into the Muslim art of treachery and deception. Before their conversion to Mohammed,s Islam Arab traders were visiting India,s West Coast and trading and hobnobbing with the Hindu kings. After their conversion however one of the traders, now a Muslim asked the Indian king permission to build a pillar in honour of said king. The king agreed and the muslim inscribed ,on one side of the pillar, panegyrics to the Hindu king.

      One the other side the Muslim trader in Arabic carved out insults and curses on the king and the imprecations that the infidels be destroyed and that Islam reign supreme over the Land of Dharma.

      Infidels beware this posters sweet blandishments. It is just another instance of the Islamic injunction to speak sweetly to the infidel whilst cursing them secretly in one,s murderous heart.

      • RG says

        May 2, 2015 at 8:18 pm

        @Cicero. First of all, Cicero, I think you really need to get a grip… Let me openly and LOUDLY say that I am, by no means, AN INFIDEL simply because I ABHOR mohammed and his false allah-god – AND NEITHER IS ANY OTHER HATER OF ISLAM!!!!

        WE WHO LOVE AND SERVE JESUS CHRIST AND JEHOVAH GOD ARE THE TRUE BELIEVERS IN GOD – IT’S THE MOHAMMEDANS WHO ARE THE INFIDELS AND UNBELIEVERS!!!! I say this because your illustration pertaining to the “Unwary infidel” might better be phrased, “the alleged Unwary infidel”.

        Semantics? Maybe. But I can’t help wondering if we (i.e., you), are starting to doubt our own SUPERIOR way of life and faith by lowering ourselves to using their INFERIOR terms to describe us!!!!!

        • Georg says

          May 2, 2015 at 8:45 pm

          Why should African-Americans not invite klansmen over for a luncheon?

        • Cicero says

          May 3, 2015 at 6:04 am

          R & G this is a public site. The aim of the site is to enlighten everyone about the terrors and savage agenda of Islam. It intends to educate us who visit this site about the real nature of this cult which is rapidly metastizing in in our countries. It equips us with knowledge and intellectual weapons in order to. Fight the good fight in our families, streets, workplaces ,and MS M.

          Because it is a public site anyone is welcome to View including muslims . It is all the more deplorable therefore that you attack my post and nit pick over my use of terminology . Your response detracts from our overall aim and exposes us to the weakness of divisions within.

          I bow to you as a representation of the great consciousness. I do not feel myself as inferior to youbecause of that.

    • Western Canadian says

      May 3, 2015 at 12:55 am

      I don’t see why anyone could possibly object to this product of 1400 + years of inbreeding, taught to hate, lie, steal and murder from birth posting his/her/its sickening drivel on this board or any other….

      It gives an endless and sickening as well as utterly PERFECT view of how the muslim mockery of a mind functions…… obviously, very badly at the absolute best of times.

      As for the lie that Minnesota is a word with any meaning in any other language…. well, if we were to tell him/her/it what ‘ Rezali Mehil’ means in English…… he/she/it would run amuck and murder any non-muslim within a ten mile radius….

      The suggestion that we adopt, eagerly no less, the status of slaves to muslim invaders, instead of meeting them with loaded weapons, again shows the utter contempt that is bred and beaten into the sick and weak minds produced by islam…..

      The PROPER response to muslim invaders is to inform that when a non-muslim is raped by a muslim sub-pig, he or they will be slaughtered like the sub-animals that they are…. the sewer known as the mosque where they were taught to hate and rape, will be burned to the ground, as will any property owned by the spawn of satan they call their imam…. the families of any such sub-animal filth are to be rounded up, the male members all castrated, and the whole vile collection of criminals deported to the country (sewer) of their or their ancestors origin, any property held by any and all members to be seized, sold, and the proceeds to be give to the victim of this sub-animal filth….

      If they insist on broadcasting their offensive and hate filled calls to their offensive and hate filled prayers, the mosque is again to be destroyed, and the imam castrated and deported. If any muslim or group of muslims tries to engage in what is termed ‘block busting’ after building their hate centre (mosque), to intimidate or force the honest citizens into selling their property to the aforementioned criminals at a loss…. said muslims to have ALL of their property seized, sold, and the proceeds given to their intended victims. The criminals are then to be castrated and deported to their or their ancestors country (sewer) of origin.

      Now that would be a vastly superior response to muslim criminality than this islamowhores suggestion of surrender.

      Think he/she/it will approve of it? After all, islam is the only hate cult that celebrates the rape of it’s female victims, claiming that their ‘god’ has sanctioned it…. there could be no better response, than to grab the nearest microbe hunting kit, and use it to locate and remove the pathetic muslims pathetic mockery of physical manhood….

    • Shmooviyet says

      May 3, 2015 at 1:19 pm

      Reza–
      You say you’ve never been to MN. I suggest you visit the cities of St. Paul/Minneapolis, and TRY to find your “homeless Somalis”. If there are any, that number will not be any larger than any other group of homeless, regardless of their religion, race, ideology or origin.
      In the past, MN has welcomed immigrants from Cambodia, Russia, Africa, Central America, etc. The majority of these people ASSIMILATED into the American way of life, while remaining welcome to celebrate their home cultures. They did not try to force their beliefs/cultures onto the host cities, and many worked hard to become successful small business owners.
      But you ‘ask’ that Minnesotans ( and other states’ populations) learn YOUR languages, study YOUR religion/ideology, even adopt a poor struggling individual or family?? That is not the way a free society works –or should work; immigrants must be willing to adapt to the world THEY have joined. Lest you claim I am xenophobic, I am the child of a legal immigrant and have legal immigrant family all over the U.S.
      There are entirely too many social, government, tax-payer funded aid programs available to Somali immigrants for there to be hoards of homeless in this state- or any other, I would guess. Muslims are the only group with a majority of members who refuse to assimilate and insist it be the other way round.
      And yes, we have Muslim neighbors– no one is denying them ANYTHING. They are welcome at and invited to block parties, National Nights Out, etc. It is they who choose not to attend, and I suspect it’s not because no halal Coke is offered.
      Again, I challenge you to visit MN and TRY to find your claimed homeless, unwanted Somali/Middle Eastern/North African populations. Good luck in your search– especially in this very liberal/progressive state. Totalitarian attitudes like yours WILL awaken the little tax-paying citizens, and change the way you are viewed and received. Americans fought wars to throw off that sort of rule, and will not accept it in the long run, no matter how history is revised.
      No more later, to borrow a phrase from another commenter.

  24. Melvin R Laraway says

    May 2, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    One of my nephews is serving in the military in Minneapolis. He tells me that servicemen and women are not allowed to wear their uniforms off base, lest this cause offense and prove provocative to “certain people” (guess who these” people” turn out to be).

    Why on earth are we allowing people who will not assimilate and adhere to a totalitarian religious creed to immigrate to this country?

  25. karen says

    May 3, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    Rezali, a few remarks, again with a sincere and open heart.

    I believe you have misinterpreted my attempt at politeness as weakness. I was trying to gently remind you that you had changed the topic from radicalization, to cultural misunderstanding. A very smart ploy, which always gets Americans, Canadians, and British stammering and gulping, in an attempt to be sensitive. Anyone reading your first note will see that it’s pretty much a one-way street of understanding, with Muslims only on the receiving end.

    All Muslims, and all other people are fully welcome to join into our larger societies and fully participate. We are actually rather nice people. Of course, nobody in North America wants to “finish off the Muslims”, Muslims are actually quite safe here, much more safe than in many of your home countries. Or course, there is no slaughter of Muslims happening in North America. I was going to ask you to finally address the radicalization issue; never mind, I see where it comes from now.

    Especially in the U.S. and Canada, we love to sample the food, music, customs of our neighbors. Cultural niceties aside, the majority also do not want to replace our free and open societies and, yes, religions, with Islam. I’m sure you would not be neutral about this in your own country. If people freely convert to to some other religion, there is nothing we can or should do about that. But every citizen has the right to influence the culture, even to influence against Islam. That’s how free societies work. You need to accept that.

    By all means, practice the Islamic religion in peace and safety in the U.S. However….

    I am passionately, fervently and utterly opposed to any attempt to introduce the dreadful Sharia Law into the U.S. I am against introducing Islamic practices at the public school level, to impressionable, minor children, couched as multicultural exercises, or have field trips to mosques where they are asked to parrot prayers, etc. So, no….I am not in the middle on these things. And I’m thankful to Geller and Spencer for writing about them.

    I know you are just parroting a lot of things your Imam told you about the Crusades; fine, I won’t address all of that except to say all of the ME/N Africa Islamic lands today were once Christian, and pagan prior to that. Islam converted them by the sword; you need to face that. I will agree with you on one point; the Crusaders were wrong. But the Muslim Jihadists 400 years before them were also wrong. You need to accept that.

    I noticed you used the word ‘kuffar’ again. Do you consider that friendly? Does that make you feel superior?

    Thanks for your invitation to Islam. I’d like to quote Mr. David Wood to explain why I am a Christian; I’m a Christian, because there is no other ground on which I can stand. There is no other hope, no other Savior. I am not good enough and never will be. All I have is Jesus; thank God that’s all I need. I invite you to accept Him as your Savior.

  26. Wil says

    May 3, 2015 at 7:50 pm

    Well said Karen!! To Western Canadian: Anyone, regardless of race, creed, etc. who commits a horrible crime should be punished to the full extent of the laws of that country. I am a Christian who believes the Bible, and God says in His word that He is not willing that ANY should perish, but come to repentance. That includes misguided Muslims. Pray for them, witness to them, but don’t repay hate with hate. In the end, vengeance is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord(Rom. 12:19) Remember, until you are saved, you too are already condemned!!

  27. sidney penny says

    May 4, 2015 at 8:56 am

    “Have you ever — ever! — seen Muslim organizations anywhere in the U.S. express their unreserved support for any anti-terror program? ”

    Robert, you could have added in the U.S. or anywhere in the world.

  28. Cardinal Black says

    May 4, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    Hitler used democracy to destroy it. Leukemia generally involves abnormal white blood cells attacking the body. And so, the abnormal logic So, when one espouses a cancerous outlook of life because of one’s cancerous beliefs justified by cancerous logic, one should live with the ramifications. And these moslem organizations are a cancerous case in point. They are much like Hitler and Nazism, Hitler came to power through democracy, then abolished that very democracy, These islamic pseudo-civil organizations are clearly employing the same tack.

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