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Muslims forcibly remove cross from church in ‘moderate’ Malaysia

May 26, 2015 11:17 am By Raymond Ibrahim

Malaysia cross protestOn Sunday, April 19, a Muslim mob of approximately 50 people rioted and protested against a small Protestant church in Kuala Lumpur, the capital.  The object of their wrath was the cross atop the building of worship — which was removed during the Islamic protest.

Rioters made assertions that the cross, the central symbol of Christianity, represented “a challenge to Islam” and could “influence the faith of young people.”

The brother of an inspector general of police was among the leaders of the protest.  Increasing numbers of Christians and secular Muslims are voicing concerns at the increasing signs of religious intolerance in a country that is often held as the exemplar “moderate Muslim” nation.

However, Christian leaders urged not to take any legal action against the protesters — urged Christians to “turn the other cheek.” Pastor Datuk Jerry Dusing, head of the Evangelical Church of Borneo, said “It would be counterproductive to penalize ignorance with legal action against the protesters. Humiliation only generates more hatred.” He naively added,

We are confident that if protesters understood the true meaning of the cross, they would perceive it as a symbol of God’s love and mercy. The cross is not a challenge to anyone….  We believe it is important to promote a greater understanding among all Malaysians. Let us look forward by building dialogue and social and religious harmony in the nation.

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  1. noellsq says

    May 26, 2015 at 11:25 am

    Ya Christians turn the other cheek and then their will be no cheek to turn. It is time to retaliate with the same craziness as your enemy. Burn a Mosque.

    • shosh7154 says

      May 26, 2015 at 11:43 am

      and at what point in Yeshua’s (Jesus) life do we see HIM teach violence, either for us to initiate violence or as retaliation? Does HE not say that HE IS THE AVENGER, not us? HE is right and good when HE performs judgment as in ridding HIS Father’s House of the practice of profaning it as a market place to make filthy money. But here is HIS commandment to those who belong to HIM:

      Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the L-rd.

      • noellsq says

        May 26, 2015 at 11:50 am

        I am not arguing you what Christians are taught and believe but how can one sit by and watch animals destroy everything that is good in this world. How can we turn our cheeks when our cheeks are no more. Their is a saying ‘an eye for an eye’ I do not know its origin but to me an eye for an eye should be an eye for 2 eyes when it comes to animals.

        • shosh7154 says

          May 26, 2015 at 12:04 pm

          Matthew 5:38 You have that it has been said, An eye for an, and a tooth for a tooth (Exodus 21:24), but I say to you that you do not resist evil,

          Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

        • TH says

          May 26, 2015 at 12:25 pm

          ONe the one hand, Biblical texts have to be interpreted within the context of the whole Bible and Christian Tradition, and not out of context. Jesus defended himself when the High Priest’s servant Malchus hit him. Turning the other cheak is no against justice and there cannot be contradictions in God’s revelation, nor can it be in contradiction to right reason.

      • gravenimage says

        May 26, 2015 at 2:30 pm

        So, shosh7154, you consider taking legal action “initiating violence”? This is insane.

        The real reason the pastor counselled not taking legal action is not because it constitutes violence, but because as oppressed dhimmis it would *bring more violence upon them* from supremacist Muslims.

        Under Shari’ah, you are not supposed to so much as complain about Muslim violence, lest you get more of the same.

      • rabrooks says

        May 27, 2015 at 11:42 am

        What about the “sell your cloak and buy a sword”. He himself overturned all the tables of the moneychangers that were in his father’s temple. It’s disingenuous to say that just because you are a Christian, that your life is to be free of violence. In defense of self and country, it is permissible. If you don’t defend what is your’s, you won’t keep it for too long. I do not let my cowardice masquerade as faith.

        • shosh7154 says

          May 27, 2015 at 11:56 am

          When Yeshua instructed them to buy a sword, do you think HE was undoing all that HE said earlier about non violence ? Self defense is not prohibited but retaliation is NOT self defense which is why Yeshua says DO NOT ACT TO REVENGE YOURSELF.

          And remember also about judging people, it is dangerous ground like a sink hole …. your word surely will follow you.

    • miriamrove says

      May 26, 2015 at 12:18 pm

      We are not animals like those Muslims are. You enticing violence by saying to burn a mosque makes you no different than those Jihadists. We are not arsonists, rather people with logic, reasoning and consouicse. M

      • noellsq says

        May 26, 2015 at 12:21 pm

        Correct but logic tells me that if i do not react i will be beheaded or made to leave my home.

        • miriamrove says

          May 26, 2015 at 12:32 pm

          Look: I was born and raised a Muslim. What I forgot about Islam, those Jihadists don’t even know. There are 2 issues here:
          1- What Muslims are doing in counties that they are the majority,
          2- What Muslims doing in counties that they are the minority such as ours. I have to go now. Sorry I will continue this post in a bit. M

      • Angemon says

        May 26, 2015 at 4:10 pm

        I agree, miriam.

        • noellsq says

          May 26, 2015 at 6:28 pm

          I am very logical,please let me give you an analogy if i am a doctor and a patient comes in with a tumor that is spreading. I have three choices one to cut it out,two to try and contain it,and three let it grow and the patient dies. One and two are my choices. Cut them out and with the rest containment meaning out of the west no migration it just spreads discontent.

        • Angemon says

          May 26, 2015 at 6:57 pm

          A more apt analogy to what you proposed would be a doctor suggesting an American patient in America to burn a beehive in America because a bee stung someone in Malaysia. What you suggested amounts to mob justice, which is what muslims do. And it’s not even mob justice directed at the perpetrator because the perpetrator is like, half a world away (assuming you’re in America, your mileage may vary on that).

    • TheBuffster says

      May 26, 2015 at 1:33 pm

      noellsq, reacting with “the same craziness as your enemy” by burning a mosque would be just as immoral – actually more immoral – as the Muslims removing the cross off of the church. And it wouldn’t make the Christians any safer. It would only lead to their churches being burned down and very possibly a massive murder of Christians.

      These Christians are living in the most populous Muslim nation in the world. They may be wrong to not take legal action – they *would* be wrong to not take such action if they were living in a non-Muslim majority nation – but in a Muslim nation, it’s the ones who rock the boat who are most likely to feel the wrath of Mohammad.

      • noellsq says

        May 26, 2015 at 6:41 pm

        They are already burning down churches,burning people alive,beheading, raping.stealing,and lying.

    • Susan says

      May 26, 2015 at 5:52 pm

      I am losing faith were is God in all of this will most of humanity be destroyed so that there will be only muslims? If that is the future I hope I am near the front of the line for beheadings. Can’t stand to see what is happening to so many innocents.

      • noellsq says

        May 26, 2015 at 6:16 pm

        Hopefully they will kill each other

      • umbra says

        May 26, 2015 at 10:17 pm

        Faith in the Almighty, in part, is to allow one’s actions to be guided by the Almighty. There are those in this world whose actions are solely guided and driven by their urges and desires, absent grace, reasoning and wisdom.

      • CharlesT Lawson says

        May 27, 2015 at 11:31 am

        Susan ,
        Do not lose faith , read the comments left for NOELLSQ,
        If we lose faith they have won . and we do not want that do we. ;-)) Smile and praise the Lord.

    • CharlesT Lawson says

      May 27, 2015 at 11:08 am

      They may be able to take the cross down ,BUT THEY WILL NEVER TAKE Jesus Christ down ,NEVER.

  2. Brian says

    May 26, 2015 at 11:32 am

    These destructive and murderous rampages have been going on since Islam’s foundation by the mass murderer, slave owner and serial rapist Muhammad(which all Muslims are called to emulate)…it is only with modern communications that all this is becoming known…

    Nor even ONE day has gone past in the last 1400+ years that some atrocity has not been committed by Islam in the name of Islam in the world.

  3. Celtic says

    May 26, 2015 at 11:34 am

    How dare the christians provoke the religion of peace members?

  4. Parousia says

    May 26, 2015 at 11:39 am

    I say to these Christians, just put up another cross. And let’s see if the authorities would be ‘moderate’ this time. Then we can take it from there.

    • noellsq says

      May 26, 2015 at 11:56 am

      the problem is put another cross up and then the church is burned down and a few beheadings. The authorities will look for the animals who do it but will be clueless.

      • gravenimage says

        May 26, 2015 at 2:05 pm

        noellsq wrote:

        The authorities will look for the animals who do it but will be clueless.
        …………………………………….

        The authorities won’t be looking for them, noellsq. One of the “protesters” was the brother of an inspector general of police. This happened in Malaysia, which is very much part of the Muslim world.

        The authorities in the West and other parts of Dar-al-Harb may be clueless, but in Muslim countries they are more often actually complicit.

    • umbra says

      May 26, 2015 at 10:19 pm

      This is malaysia, another islamic hole. Authorities will turn a blind eye and allow ROP types to proceed as before.

  5. Jaladhi says

    May 26, 2015 at 11:45 am

    There is nothing “moderate” about Malaysia. It is the Saudi Arabia of the East!!

    • Jaladhi says

      May 26, 2015 at 11:47 am

      A Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. Leopards don’t change their stripes!

  6. American says

    May 26, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    Dialog isn’t going to help here. However, I also believe that we shouldn’t lower ourselves to their level. The time will come when we must fight. Fight now by doing what you can to spread the word. When provided with the alternative, Christ will be chosen – we have to ensure they have that choice – are made aware of it – and stand our ground; they are emboldened by our perceived weakness.

    • noellsq says

      May 26, 2015 at 12:05 pm

      You are not lowering your standards you are just doing what is right to save your faith and morals. Remember some animals are for eating and others are predators that must be killed.

  7. Gary says

    May 26, 2015 at 12:03 pm

    Try as they may, muslims will never have victory….

    “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
    the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

  8. Westman says

    May 26, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    Response to tearing down cross: “We are confident that if protesters understood the true meaning of the cross, they would perceive it as a symbol of God’s love and mercy. …..Let us look forward by building dialogue and social and religious harmony in the nation.”

    Of course, the Muslims who demonstrated against the cross, on hearing this, will feel guilt for such intolerance, replace the cross to its former position, and form an interfaith maintenance group to keep it clean and painted. The local Imam will organize an interfaith social activities committee for combined social outings to further improve social ties.

    The two-way harmony when capitulating to Islam is legendary.

    • noellsq says

      May 26, 2015 at 12:08 pm

      Stop drinking Kool Aide and give me examples where talking with these animals work.

      • gravenimage says

        May 26, 2015 at 2:10 pm

        noellsq, Westman is being sarcastic here.

      • CharlesT Lawson says

        May 27, 2015 at 11:41 am

        @noellsq,
        I will give you some thing to give to the muslims that they may think about ,
        ASK THEM ,
        ( 1 ) WHY IS JESUS IN THE QU-RAN
        AND
        ( 2 ) DO THEY BELIEVE IN JESUS ,
        ( A ) If they do not believe in Jesus then ask them to answer the first question ,?

  9. gravenimage says

    May 26, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    Muslims forcibly remove cross from church in ‘moderate’ Malaysia
    …………………………….

    They didn’t murder anyone? That *is* “moderate”!

    • Susan says

      May 26, 2015 at 5:57 pm

      Yet!! Stay-tuned.

  10. Eric says

    May 27, 2015 at 12:17 am

    A true Christian lives by the word of God. Only love and understanding, always praying that the hatred within, stays within. A Christian’s life is very hard: Love Thy Enemies.

  11. William Lucas Harvey Jr. says

    May 27, 2015 at 2:38 am

    How about – Desecrating a Qur’an with Islam, Allah and Mohammed “Cartoons” and “Blasphemy”, and the TRUTH about Islam’s and Muslim’s 7th Century Mentality Bloody, Butchering “Barbarians”, then “Desecrate” IT in a Public, Televised, Internet Posted Exhibition.

  12. albert says

    May 27, 2015 at 8:03 am

    I once read, I couldn’t find the quote but anyone please correct me if I’m wrong, but I once read that it is against the law in Islamic countries for a kuffar whether an adult or a child to defend themselves if they are attacked by a muslim, literally the unbeliever is supposed to simply stand there and take it.

  13. Hawa says

    May 27, 2015 at 5:57 pm

    These Muslims are fools. they can’t even read the quram. The day some of them read and understand tsshe Quram they will beat their chest bitterly. Isamic is nothing but lies and the leaders collect funds and have the women they want to have. It is happy life for their heads.. They met Christians on the land they now live on If they can kill christians.people that God created in His own imagine and likeness they are satan himselves.A very large percentage of Muslims have not read the Quram. When this organization came down with rules and strageries on how to increase in population you can have more than one wife. Example two friends one with one wife and one with four wives who you expect to have more children in two years time ? The friend with four wives We are in the 21 centurey and they have not over populated the world, therefore they are mad.But you know what Women of this world will surely bring this group of animals down.God will give women the strength and power to break their wings.Christians we must do what Jesus told us to do when we arestep upon.

  14. chris says

    Jun 1, 2015 at 1:39 am

    if you look at the issue from a different perspective, other than islamic supremacism, you will realise that the moslems in malaysia are stupid, backward, illiterate, uneducated to the extent that they will walk into a church thinking it is a mosk. literally! hence, the minority who have a sparse inkling of knowledge are the leaders (sic) barbarian warlords.

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