Why don’t the Christians in the West help them? Because it might harm the dialogue: “Talk about extreme, militant Islamists and the atrocities that they have perpetrated globally might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims.” — Robert McManus, Roman Catholic Bishop of Worcester, Massachusetts, February 8, 2013
“Syrian Archbishop: ‘We expect Christians in the West to help us. They do not,'” by David Gibson, Religion News Service, May 4, 2015:
NEW YORK (RNS) Archbishop Jean-Clement Jeanbart of Aleppo is returning to the front line of the real war on Christians, which he calls home — that is, Aleppo in war-torn Syria, where his ancient church faces the threat of extinction.
I wrote here about Jeanbart, who was in the U.S. last week in an effort to raise awareness about the plight of Christians in Syria — they include his Eastern-rite Melkite Catholics as well or Eastern Orthodox and other churches — and to raise money for their survival.
The archbishop is a remarkable figure, facing the personal danger while trying to protect an entire community and tradition and way of life. He had controversial things to say (at least in the U.S. political context) about supporting Syrian president Assad; when faced with ISIS as the alternative, you understand his “devil-you-know” choice.
But Assad may be at risk of falling. Americans are not likely to shed a tear for him, and many have been pushing the administration to aid the Islamist rebels, who could wind up slaughtering what’s left of the Christians in Aleppo and elsewhere.
And American Christians know so little about their fellow believers in the region, or even that such Christians exist, that Middle East church leaders like Jeanbart face an uphill battle:
“We expect Christians in the West to help us. They do not,” as Jeanbart told Cardinal Timothy Dolan during the New York archbishop’s weekly radio show.
I couldn’t include all of the interview in the first version, so wanted to pick it up here with the question:
What does Archbishop Jeanbart want?In short, he thinks the West, led by the U.S., should work to stop the flow of arms into the country. He does not want Western military intervention in terms of boots on the ground – just a ceasefire so that Syrians themselves have a chance to work out their problems in a way that respects each community. That’s how it was for centuries, and he says that’s how it can be again.
Most immediately, he wants material support for Syrian Christians.
A chief problem, church officials say, is that Christians who are among the nearly 8 million internally displaced people in Syria are afraid to go to refugee camps that receive the bulk of international humanitarian aid because they would have to register to enter and could then be pegged as Christians – and would be targets all over again.
So Christians wind up trying to stay put in war zones, or seek refuge in churches, Catholic hospitals or schools, or the homes of relatives. (Aid to the Church in Need has pledged $2.8 in emergency aid for Christians in Syria.)
“The church will support us in a way, morally and spiritually. But the church has very little material means,” Jeanbart said. “It doesn’t have armies. It doesn’t have budgets to help. Nobody has ever taken care of us.”
“We expect Christians in the West to help us. They do not,” Jeanbart, his voice rising in frustration, told Cardinal Timothy Dolan during the New York archbishop’s weekly radio show.
Jeanbart said that on the other hand, his Muslim neighbors and religious leaders in the city have often offered him a place to live or hold services….
AnneM says
Not surprised. The west ignore what is happening to Christians in the Middle East at its peril.
Charli Main says
Internecine warfare in Europe was the real reason that the attempt to drive the Muslim invaders out of the Christian Middle East failed. Instead of concentrating on chasing the Muslims back to Mecca, France, Germany and England spent their energies squabbling over their own petty fiefdoms.
The consequences of this was that Muslim vermin overran Europe as far as the gates of Vienna with the passage to Rome open.
Good bless the Poles and Jan Sobeski. If it wasn´t for them, its likely that we would all be banging our heads in the direction of Mecca.
TH says
Don’t forget Pope Innocent XI without whose diplomatic efforts Sobieski would never have been able to free Vienna. He actually bribed the Polish diet handing out more money to the Polish members of it than did the Sun King to those who didn’t want Sobieski to relieve the siege of Vienna. Before Vienna the Poles had already put a stop to the Turkish inroads into their own country.
Shane says
Good points. It is foolish to try to establish good relations with “moderate Muslims” when the radical Muslims are slaughtering your Christian brothers and sisters. We must aid our Christians brothers and sisters and unite to defeat Islam.
We can destroy Islam peacefully by promoting books and videos by people like Robert Spencer and Jay Smith. I wish some billionaire would pay to deliver Spencer’s and Smith’s material that destroy the foundation of Islam to people all over the world.
Muhammad Did Not Create Islam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9lIuUjPs0
Peter says
There is a problem, to trying to destroy Islam, since Islam is from Satan, himself, everyone has to acknowledge that Islam is from the Pit of Hell, and therefore stop in support of it….but also both Shiite and Sunny must want to try to stop the bloodshed…
But as for just foreign aid, Instead of Boots on the Ground…..money it self will not be the answer to drive Islam away…..
Avenger says
The Byzantine Empire, mainly composed of Orthodox Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians and Italians, kept Muslim Arabs out of Europe for over 700 years.
The Byzantines destroyed more Muslims in their 900 year reign, then all of the other European nations combined.
The Clinton and Bush families, John McCain, Lindsey Graham and other good Protestant Christians initiated the collapse of governments in the ME who protected their indigenous Christian populations
Keep this in mind Western Christians, when you ignore the wholesale slaughter of your brothers and sisters in Syria and Iraq.
zulu says
OT
The sex slave forced to marry TWENTY ISIS fighters… and undergo painful surgery to ‘restore her virginity’ each time: UN reveal horrifying details of bazaars where Islamists trade rape victims
– United Nations official interviewed dozens of female survivors in April
– Zainab Bangura said the girls were stripped naked and categorized
– Some victims were returned home after falling pregnant by their captors
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3073662/The-sex-slave-forced-marry-TWENTY-ISIS-fighters-undergo-painful-surgery-restore-virginity-time-reveal-horrifying-details-bazaars-Islamists-trade-rape-victims.html#ixzz3ZZvzJkBA
medina says
Islam elevates women, upon a slave block.
bobm says
not at all surprising; Rome has been in on the machinations of chrislam from the beginning… two mob familia.
Draki says
Has this guy heard that the Pope said it’s ok to kill ISIS last year? http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-endorses-use-of-force-against-isis-in-iraq-2014-8
miriamrove says
I was at a trade show for cable TV 2 days ago where EWTN, the big Catholic broadcaster had a present. I talked to their head of PR and asked why the Pope is not taking a stance for Christians being slaughtered in Middle East? She said the Pope just the Armenian massacre was a genocide, to go on say I think this is a lot!!! This what we are dealing with. m
TH says
For instance, Pope Francis could write a letter to al the Catholic bishops in the world detailing the plight of our brothers and sisters in Iraq and Syria. He could establish a certain Sunday for a sepcial collection in all Catholic Churches around the world. I have no doubt that there would be a good response. Why doesn’t he do this? I don’t know. In my opinion, he ought to do it and forget about the business of global warming which is a fake problem based on bogus science. Surely there are greater problems that this questionable pseudo problem, and even if it were a real problem, the best thing to do would be nothing as moe would be lost in trying to solve a pseudo problem about which there is no scientific consensus and misuse and manipulation of date.
Mirren10 says
”Jeanbart said that on the other hand, his Muslim neighbors and religious leaders in the city have often offered him a place to live or hold services…. ”
Hmmm. I wonder how true that statement is. Is he, perhaps, hoping to placate his ‘muslim neighbours’, who might otherwise persecute his co-religionists even further ?
Whilst it would be nice to be able to believe it, the evidence is all on the other side.
miriamrove says
As a former Muslim I can tell you it is true. But here is the bigger problem: Those same Muslims who offer the help are the biggest problem and my own family included. Do you think anyone one of them acknowledge that it is their religion and their pedophile prophet instructing the rest of the Muslims to kill the infidels? Nah!!!! And when you tell them this, here is the universal reply: They are not Muslims! Good Muslims do not do anything like that, such as killing the infidels and the Jews!! There you have it!! M
Alex says
Hi Miriam, I agree with you completely. Some Muslims may be nice but they refuse to acknowledge that their religion is what fueled the Syrian civil war in the first place (sectarian tensions caused by Muslim history that goes back 1,400 years ago between Sunni and Shia)
TheBuffster says
Miriam, do you have a web page where you talk about your life as a Muslim, your experiences with Muslims, how the decent people of the faith rationalize or are unaware of the horrible deeds of Mohammad?
I like to read first-hand observations about these topics, to get an ever-clearer picture of the way the civilized Muslims think and live. Clearly, many decent Muslims deny that the jihadis are genuine Muslims. Is this usually because they themselves haven’t read the texts, or are they ignoring what they know for emotional reasons, or something else?
I’ve been reading apostates’ testimonies lately. I find it very informative and often heart-wrenching, and it offers a lot of insight into the reality of problems and issues that I think it’s good to grasp from the apostates’ perspective.
TheCountess says
I commend your bold statement declaring yourself publicly. Are you familiar with Brigitte Gabrel?
This video is hard as it hits home to the ‘do nothing’, which doesn’t include you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
You and others like you need to stand up. Join forces and continue to confront Islam’s evil side. No greater voice is like the one who’s been there, done that.
marc says
I’m afraid the fact is, christians in the west are also under quite a bit of pressure today, if they don’t comply liberal views, they are constantly on the defensive. the media calls nutters like westbro baptist “fundamental christians”, when really a fundamental christian would never be noticed, humbly doing their charity work in the community. A true fundamental christian will deny they are due to this manipulation of language by the press. You are being attacked on many fronts.
As a Jew looking in from the outside, maybe i see things differently.
The ongoing genocide of the ME christians is not a christian issue it is a human issue. When my people were being destroyed, the synagogues did not come to our rescue.
Kepha says
Marc, as far back as the 1970’s. your fellow Jew, Saul Bellow, also looking “in from the outside”, noted with dismay that the West seems eager to see the last of its Christianity (_To Jerusalem and Back_).
I suspect that in our own Social Democratic moment, we are seeing an aggressive push by the cultural Left to hasten the thing that Bellow observed. Hence, the Middle Eastern Christians for whom the Archbishop pleads must look elsewhere than the current Western leadership for aid and comfort.
Janet says
As a Jew I find myself enraged beyond reason that the world sits on the sidelines while Muslims commit genocide.
I cannot and will not accept that the world is unable to stop the slaughter of the Yadzis and Christians.
The world is in for a nasty surprise if they think the Muslims will stop in the Middle Easr.
Had Hitler won the war there would be no Jews in the world today. If the Muslims win there will only be Muslims in the world tomorrow. Anybody who doubts this statement should familiarise themselves with Islamic teachings.
The Useless Nations have failed in their mission. They have not prevented genocide even when they knew it was coming as they did in Rewanda.
Surely if every country pooled their airforces they could airlift the Yadzidis and the Christians out of a situation of almost certain annihilation.
Polititions are nothing more than the worst of men.
Sarah says
The Christians won’t help you because they are too busy trying to prove that Pamela, Robert and Geert are the problem and that the terrorists who are murdering and raping your people have nothing to do with Islam. They think if they do that everything will be OK.
t. says
What you said is true.
“We expect Christians in the West to help us. They do not,” Jeanbart, his voice rising in frustration, told Cardinal Timothy Dolan”
In response to the above statement by the Archbishop I say that Christians in the west are literally busy helping both, Muslims in the west, who came as refugees or immigrants and those who are still in their respective countries in the middle east and Asia. This is not a joke or sarcasm!
I personally know about two such cases, one of which I wrote about in details in one of my comments on this site, around two months ago.
It is a sickening and warped way of thinking, to say the least!
VultureTX says
Just a small problem-
Every Christian leader in Syria seems to want the violence to stop… against Assad and his regime.
Evidently they are perfectly happy being Dhimmis under Assad because he only kills a few of them instead of all. [no joke this started because Assad was disappearing people who politically opposed him]
So while I think the west should evacuate all the Christians from the Middle East [excepting Israel of course where they actually have some rights], I do not and will not listen to a man who makes excuses for a muslim killer and his gang of govt. thugs.
TH says
Christians in the Middle East should not be evacuated from there as it is their home and has been since the very beginning of Christianity. St. Paul was converted on the road to Damascus. Antioch in Syria was the place from which St. and other Christian missionaries parted to evangelize the rest of the Eastern Mediteerranean. There were also Christians of Jewish origin, but it seems that most of them were lost to the great Christian Church. They are the descendants of the original inhabitants of those lands, which are the cradle of civilization. Islam wants to destroy completely this Christian civilization and it seems that Obama is doing his best to help them. The whole Middle East is of extraordinary importance for Christianity, Orthodox. Catholic and also Protestant.
As for supporting Assad, what do you expect them to do if under his regime and that of his father they had relative peace and freedom?
Kepha says
TH:
I agree, even though I would be happy to welcome Middle Eastern Christian immigrants (I’d actually like to learn Syriac one of these days).
We really need to hold some feet to the fire. Demand that the Espositos and Armstrongs of the world kindly explain how the “tolerant” religion of Islam (sarc intended) is doing what it is doing to its minorities everywhere from northern Nigeria to Sulawesi. Don’t let a CAIR spokesman plead for the opening of a mosque in your community unless some explanations are given–and then some (perhaps an admission of culpability? Something akin to what the already marginalized Protestant churches of Germany said about the Shoah after WWII?).
gravenimage says
Christians did *not* have peace and freedom under Assad—they faced oppression and violence. It is just that they did not face out-and-out genocide as they do now.
spot on says
This whole matter almost leaves me speechless. Christian genocide and no one moves to stop it. If it were Muslim genocide at the hands of Christians there would certainly be hell to pay.
Avenger says
@Gravenimage
I again disagree Graven with you painting the Assad Family as ruthless dictators. The Assads held a country as complex as the Balkan states together for decades in relative harmony compared to any of its neighbors-
1) Turkey was busy exterminating it’s Christians and Kurds,
2) Saddam Husein slaughtered his opposition, though Christians did well and even increased in population.
3) Iran grew closer to Sharia law with each passing year. Also jailing or exterminating its opposition.
4) Egypt under Nasser, Sadat, Mubarak, Muslim Brotherhood and al-Sisi have kept their Coptic Christian community under extreme servitude and hardship for decades.
5) Saudi Arabia continues to practice Sharia and destroys any and all opposition including just being Christian.
The Assads allowed Christians to “preach, teach, evangelize, publish religious materials and construct NEW churches” over their 5 decades in power.
Syria accepted over 500,000 Christian refugees from George Bush’s bungled invasion of Iraq.
Obama is a treacherous Sunni Muslim passing off as a racist communist, but ex-president George Bush and Cabinet are directly responsible for the murder of over 100,000 Christians since his invasion of Iraq by proxy Sunnis.
Who do you think is the most evil? I’ll tell you – George Walker Bush.
In comparison, Assad is a saint.
VultureTX says
” relative peace and freedom?”
last I checked being dead is not considered freedom in the West. Assad and his thugs killed christian protestors.
As for any christian who wants to live under sharia law just because of religious history, well I guess they are trying for sainthood. I would think a true christian would restore the land rather than serve (if only in special taxes) a muslim master.
Peggy says
How do you think they could do that? They are so outnumbered and subdued. They have no help from the fellow Christians in the west. On the contrary, the west supplies money and weapons to the Muslims there so do tell us how do you think they could do that.
It’s easy to have all the answers while living in safety.
Angemon says
This is the disheartening truth. Not only muslims are professional victims, it’s almost forbidden to talk about the persecution of Christians because it goes against the official narrative – Christians are bad and non-Christians are good, facts be damned.
Kepha says
Angemon, I hear you.
But, face it, the official narrative out there is a Socialist one. Perhaps the Christian propensity to question the wisdom of persecution (William Tyndale and Roger Williams come to mind) and allow a self-critical impulse (learned from the prophets of Israel) have a say has helped it. But the time has probably come for us to insist that the Left face its own 2th century record–and not let them weasel out of how its forefathers retained a soft spot for Stalinist dictatorship for as long as it was even remotely plausible.
voegelinian says
No, the official narrative out there isn’t a “Socialist” one. Most conservatives who are not Socialist parrot and regurgitate the PC MC memes about Islam. That cannot be explained by a view that sees the Problem of the Problem as “Socialist”.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“No, the official narrative out there isn’t a “Socialist” one. Most conservatives who are not Socialist parrot and regurgitate the PC MC memes about Islam.”
The nature of a narrative isn’t dependent on who speaks it.
ploome says
What dialogue? What agreements?
http://web.archive.org/web/20010503221724/http://www.islaam.com/articles/treaty.htm
Duty of the Muslim Towards These Treaties
Shaykh `Abdul Rahman `Abdul Khaliq
The last chapter from “Verdict on the Treaties of Compromise and Peace With the Jews”
Note: This piece represents the perspective of a Muslim scholar on the peace treaty and is presented here since their perspective is often ignored in the media and is important for the Muslims.
And now comes the most important question, that is: What is the duty today on the Muslim as regards these treaties?
The answer:
(1) The first duty is to firmly believe in their invalidity and that because they contain invalid conditions they were born dead the very day they were given birth to; because it is not lawful for the Muslim to conclude an agreement with the unbeliever for abandoning jihad and abrogating this religious duty, nor for giving up hostility towards the Jews and affirming love and amity for them; for this is leaving the millah. These treaties also contain provisions making it incumbent to screen out such Ayahs of the Quran and ahadith (statements) of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, that declare this enmity towards the Jews.
This undertaking constitutes a collusion with the unbelievers for concealing the Deen and knowledge and for suspending the Ayahs of the noble Quran and ahadith of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, that explain the essence of obligatory relationship with the Jews; and this in fact is driving the Muslims out of Islam and stripping the Ummah of its belief and history.
And since these treaties contain such conditions and stipulate them clearly, they are therefore invalid and it is not lawful for the Muslim to believe in them.
(2) The second duty of the Muslim is to believe that these treaties do not bind him and that it is not lawful for him to give effect to any of their contents except under compulsion and necessity to the extent compulsion is a valid ground for compliance.
This is so because they contain the above noted invalid conditions and because they have been concluded without the consent and consultation of the men of religion, learning and judgement and because they will spoil the Deen of his sons and progeny, besides spoiling his worldly interests.
(3) The third duty is to work towards overthrowing these treaties. Their position is like the position of every abomination that may be found in the land of Islam and that which it is a duty to abhor and reject according to the conditions and requirements of rejecting as far as practicable, and to see that there does to accrue to it a worse abomination and that an abomination is not met by another abomination.
(4) The fourth duty is to believe that the Jews, as long as they adhere to their false religion, waging war against Islam and its followers, they are members of a community on whom Allah ‘s wrath has fallen. It is a duty to fight and confront them as long as they remain on their course of action in fighting Islam, disbelieve in it and commit aggression upon the Muslims.
To detest them is the Deen to be followed for Allah’s sake by a Muslim.
(5) The duty to unite the Ummah towards attaining this objective of putting an end to the sway of the Jews in the world and to their tyranny upon the Muslims and their capture of the base of the Night Journey of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, and of al-Masjid al-Aqsa.
(6) To believe that the Jews could not have been able to establish their sway in the world to such an extent except after the elimination of Islam from the Arab states and their constitutions and legislation – except as Allah had His mercy – and the slogans of nationalism and secularism had taken the place of Islam and there had taken up this issue the secularists who fought the Jews under slogans other than Islam, and isolated Islam from this issue. Then when they were unsuccessful, and this is Allah’s way of dealing with His creation, and they announced their humiliating surrender and threw themselves under the feet of the Jews, they gave it out as the highest degree of wisdom and reason. Hence they failed in their war and Allah debased and disgraced them in this life before the hereafter, on account of their moving away from Islam and their discarding of the Book of Allah and the sunnah of His Messenger,peace and blessings of Allah be on him. And on that account to believe that there cannot be any victory in this issue and any dislodgement of the Jews from the midst of the Ummah and an ending of their sway in the world except by means of Islam in belief, in method and in jihad.
(7) To pray to Allah Subhaanahu wa Ta’ala day and night that He unite the words of the followers of Islam, that He unite their ranks and that He return them to their Deen; and that He prepare for them the means of their victory over the enemy of Allah and theirs.
And all the praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all beings.
TH says
Christians in the Middle East should not be evacuated from there as it is their home and has been since the very beginning of Christianity. St. Paul was converted on the road to Damascus. Antioch in Syria was the place from which St. and other Christian missionaries parted to evangelize the rest of the Eastern Mediteerranean. There were also Christians of Jewish origin, but it seems that most of them were lost to the great Christian Church. They are the descendants of the original inhabitants of those lands, which are the cradle of civilization. Islam wants to destroy completely this Christian civilization and it seems that Obama is doing his best to help them. The whole Middle East is of extraordinary importance for Christianity, Orthodox. Catholic and also Protestant.
As for supporting Assad, what do you expect them to do if under his regime and that of his father they had relative peace and freedom?
jewdog says
Com’on, we Americans know a lot about Syrians. That’s a kind of sandwich, right?
gravenimage says
Grimly hilarious, Jewdog. I’ve mentioned the plight of Christians to intelligent, well-educated people out here in California, and most of them are genuinely surprised to learn that there are Christians in Syria. I even—no joke—had one person ask me if they were the descendants of Crusaders.
The idea that Christianity—and Judaism—much predated Islam in the Levant is something they could barely wrap their minds around, let alone the idea that there is a large Christian population under increasing threat and violence there.
I’d like to say “unbelievable”, but I’ve run into this profound ignorance too many times now for that.
Wellington says
Meanwhile, there are some Christian denominations in the West in the forefront of promoting a boycott of Israel and its products. And the present Pope continues to make pathetic and erroneous statements about Islam, all the while fervent Muslims are doing EXACTLY to the letter what their warped prophet did.
Yes, there are many Christians who understand what is really going on in our world, but still way too many Christians continue to turn a blind eye to the iniquity which is the Islamic faith. Shameful. Inexcusable. A black mark on a faith which ordinarily had guts and proper direction but which, speaking in the aggregate, doesn’t now. Any Christian doubting my contention here, I would refer such person to what the Syrian Archbishop, subject of this article, has said. Take it up with him, not me.
Bezelel says
All I can say is there are some liberal Christians.
Beth says
“Yes, there are many Christians who understand what is really going on in our world, but still way too many Christians continue to turn a blind eye to the iniquity which is the Islamic faith”
Soooooooooooo True!
Mat 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Little do they know – that if you make friends with those who bow to the words that call the Son of God an abomination – you are committing blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. There is no forgiveness for that – especially for the fact that the this truth was given to them ahead of time. There will be no forgiveness for them for doing such a thing.
More Christians need to be made aware of this very important truth.
Many thumbs up! on your comment Wellington (could not agree more)
Jaladhi says
Somehow the West has become very “friendly” with Muslims, maybe because of increasing Muslim population which also West’s own fault. Now they cannot go out and defend Christians in the ME, Africa and other places where Muslims are conducting a genocide of Christians for the fear of offending their own Muslim population and also the fear of losing ME oil which will be a disaster for the West. To compound the problem the Western liberal media and academia are always against Christians and they could not care less if all christians were killed by Muslims.
This is the crux of the problem – otherwise crusades would have been declared a long ago. The West is in a pickle and all that nonsense of holding high ideals is just a hypocrisy!!
Rezali Mehil says
Champ…
Where are ya… where are ya?
More Later …
Rezali
gravenimage says
The execrable Rezali Mehil wrote:
Champ…
Where are ya… where are ya?
More Later …
………………………….
Is this vicious Muslimah taunting Champ over the oppression and murder of Christians at the hands of her homicidal coreligionists? So it seems—evil b*tch.
The odd thing is that these same pious Muslims—since many of them are Sunni—are *also* oppressing and killing Rezali Mehil’s fellow Shia.
But this is nothing new—ever since the “Arab Spring” and the rise of ISIS, Rezali Mehil has been schizophrenically see-sawing between gloating over the rise of true Islam in the “Caliphate” and hysterically begging (or threatening, in some cases) that we save the Shi’ites from their murderous fellow Muslims.
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam Graven,
How are the ears?…dog still chasing them?….hope there is no infection there.
Why do you always misinterpret what I say …
I was asking Champ in-effect …that being the Christian that she is always bleating about being …what is she doing to help the Syrian christians who are at the moment asking for her help?
Champ ….”Where are ya… where are ya”?
If you is a true christian …get out there and help this man who is begging for it.
More Later…
Rezali
Mirren10 says
”If you is a true christian …get out there and help this man who is begging for it.”
If you is a true muslim … get out there and help your Shiite bros, who are begging for it ! How many times have I had to tell you this, you rafidite dog, you ?
More later, chumbawumba !
Ernie says
Well , SLAVE OF THE SERPENT , everytime you’re addressing Champ only one thing comes to my mind : Champ is CHAMP ,THE BEST , Champ is a WINNER in JESUS CHRIST , where you , Rezali are ( the slave of) evil . Rezali , your time is over . You’re dead already , but you don’t realise it yet .
duh_swami says
The problems are over there, not over here…gays have the same meme. They know, or have heard of the treatment of gays, over there, but it is not going on over here…This leads to a kind of apathy, where they may feel sorry for the victims, but they are not going to do anything about it, unless it starts happening here.
dumbledoresarmy says
Over the past months, the Barnabas Fund has been circulating petitions around among Christians – and probably some of those Christians have also buttonholed and informed their non-Christian friends and relations – gathering signatures.
The petition calls upon our governments to *do something* concrete to assist the persecuted and oppressed Christians of the Middle East (most notably, those in Iraq and Syria).
It will be presented in the Parliament of Australia sometime within the next couple of months (and there is a politician, right now I forget his name) who has agreed to be the person to present it and speak on behalf of the petitioners. Similar petitions will, I understand, be presented in NZ, the UK, Canada and the United States.
People have *not* been doing nothing. This is at least one attempt to ‘wake up’ our politicians.
If one has not signed the petition nor canvassed for signatures, one still has the option of writing – to one’s head of state, Foreign Affairs Minister, Immigration Minister, and elected representative, demanding that more be done to assist the threatened-with-genocide Christians – and other non-Muslim minority groups, such as the Yazidi – in the Middle East.
All of us – whether Christian or non-Christian – can write letters like that. Indeed, an individual letter, especially a real one on paper, signed, with a stamp, carries more weight than a signature on a petition. So: time to write!
Donations to organisations such as Barnabas Fund or Voice of the Martyrs (another group that assists persecuted Christians) will also enable them to assist the persecuted…and to lobby on their behalf.
TheBuffster says
Thanks for reminding me about the Barnabas Fund, Dumbledore. I haven’t given to them for a while.
Charlie says
We hear nothing about the “FSA” any more. How come? ISIS seems to have completely taken its place. I can theorise because the FSA was not effective in ousting Assad. Jihad terrorism seems to suit US domestic and foreign policy in so many ways: big money to make in war budgets; play world policeman and look good; invade Syria and take a share in the spoils and reconstruction etc. If this is the pinnacle of the strategy, and sympathy for Assad was simply too high for the public to permit an invasion of Syria first time round (even after trumping up false chemical weapons charges), perhaps ISIS is the perfect stooge to turn opinion. Oh, and once there it would be just an afterthought to get rid of Assad. Domestically, islamist terrorism creates a climate of fear that allows all kinds of anti-freedom legislation. I strongly suspect the CIA is funding and arming ISIS. It is on public record that the US was arming FSA so it’s not a stretch to believe this.
Let’s remember there is not very much “Christian” about the governments of the “Christian” west. I don’t see much in the US administration anyway, where the only religion is realpolitik. I haven’t heard one iota of concern about the Syrian Christians from them. The devil’s fingerprints are all over this. Having said this, our church did have a collection for the Christians of Syria and Iraq a few weeks ago.
ray says
Archbishop, the reason our so-called leadership is not replying to the call of Christians in Syria is because they themselves are not Christians, period.
Peggy says
It will be presented in the Parliament of Australia sometime within the next couple of months (and there is a politician, right now I forget his name) who has agreed to be the person to present it and speak on behalf of the petitioners. Similar petitions will, I understand, be presented in NZ, the UK, Canada and the United States.
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Could you be thinking of Cory Bernardi?
He is very outspoken and has brought up the issue of Islam on many occasions.
http://www.corybernardi.com/
dumbledoresarmy says
Actually, not Bernardi: somebody else, somebody I’ve not heard of before. According to the Barnabas newsletter for May/June the person presenting the Barnabas petition in Australia, to the Australian federal Parliament, will be Mr Luke Howarth, Federal Member for Petrie.
I had better write to him and thank him for doing this; and other Aussie jihadwatchers may like to do the same.
Tim says
There is NO moderate Muslim… You are missing a very important point… The Schutzstaffel in Germany more commonly known as the SS were considered in Germany to be the ‘Radical Germans”. When they garnered power in Germany they only consisted of roughly 10-20% of the German population . Most Germans sympathized with some aspect of their radical approach but by no means were all Germans considered to be radical. After the “Radicals” gained control of the political institutions of the country they took over every aspect of that country covertly or overtly. When they gained control they resorted to intimidation, threats and violence to maintain control.
This is the point you are missing, when a “Moderate” is threatened to get on board they will always think about their own welfare and suddenly a “moderate” has just become a radical by admission of radicalization or omission of any dissension against the radicalization of the aggressors. Thus in an environment such as Sharia law in Islam would create there is NO moderate Muslim.
I understand there are nice people in Islam, those “sheeple”, pun intended, are all the more likely to roll over without even voicing one word of opposition due to their weak constitution. This is a proven historical fact and to not acknowledge the threat that exists in any kind of moderate approach to Islam is sheer ignorance.
In Germany during the holocaust there were no moderates due to this fact. There were only the overt dissenters and the covert dissenters. The overt dissenters disappeared almost as quickly as the Jews were disappearing. The covert dissenters did a lot of good in such a horrific situation, people like Oskar Schindler represented in the movie Schindler’s list… I’m German so i can say that they were a bunch of pansies and idiots just like the “Moderate” Muslims are today.
Love Freedom says
We expect Christians in the West to help us. They do not,”…
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