Mak Chishty said children have branded it ‘haram’ – forbidden by Allah
Children refusing to shop at Marks & Spencer, mistakenly perceived to be Jewish owned, could be early sign of radicalisation, said Mr Chishty
Now where would they have got those ideas?
Muslim children as young as five have become so indoctrinated by Islamist propaganda they believe Christmas is sinful, Britain’s most senior Muslim police officer warned yesterday.
Scotland Yard commander Mak Chishty said children had voiced opposition to marking the festive holiday – branding it ‘haram’, which means forbidden by their god Allah.
He said that parents need to address ‘all the ugly bit of the problem’, and ask how children had come to that view.
Mr Chishty also warned of a need for parents to spot early signs of radicalisation, which could include their sons and daughters refusing to shop in certain places, such as Marks & Spencer.”
Is he serious, these are mainstream views of Britain’s muslims, there are very few muslim parents who would turn in their kids for being better muslims.
The store is mistakenly perceived to be Jewish-owned and in the past, Lord Sieff, the founder of M&S, reportedly made several statements in support of Israel’s military policies in relation to the Arab state of Palestine.
So if they were really Jewish owned it would be OK to boycott them?
Mr Chishty said that Islamist propaganda should be countered with intensified monitoring to detect the earliest signs of anti-Western sentiment.
This anti semitism and anti western lifestyle and has been popular behaviour by the majority of UK muslims going back at least 35 years, it’s not something new that IS brought to them.
Refusing to shop at Marks & Spencer could be an early sign of radicalisation, according to Mr Chishty
These could include sudden negative attitudes towards alcohol, social occasions and Western clothing.He said there was now a need for ‘a move into the private space’ of Muslims to spot views that could show the beginning of radicalisation far earlier.
‘We need to now be less precious about the private space,’ he said.
‘This is not about us invading private thoughts, but acknowledging that it is in these private spaces where this [extremism] first germinates.‘The purpose of private space intervention is to engage, explore, explain, educate or eradicate. Hate and extremism are not acceptable in our society, and if people cannot be educated, then hate and harmful extremism must be eradicated through all lawful means.’
Asked to define ‘private space’, Mr Chishty said: ‘It is anything from walking down the road, looking at a mobile, to someone in a bedroom surfing the net, to someone in a shisha cafe talking about things.’
He said what is new about Islamic State is the use of social media to spread its message and urge those of the same extreme views to join the terror group or stage attacks in their home country.And in a stark warning, he said there was no end in sight to the number of British Muslims, around 700 so far, being lured to Syria by IS propaganda.
The comments come after a Daily Mail investigation revealed how easy it was for British schoolgirls to be enticed into fleeing to Iraq and Syria to become ‘jihadi brides’.
An IS plot to lure a 16-year-old to Syria to marry a jihadist was foiled after the Mail passed on evidence that she was planning to run away to counter-terror officers.
They swooped on the girl’s home after it emerged she was being lured by her older sister, a prolific IS recruiter who fled London last year to be a jihadi bride.
The plot had been laid out in extraordinary detail in secret online messages, with timings and prices planned for every train, flight and hotel she was set to stay at on the way.
Mr Chishty, head of community engagement for the Metropolitan Police in London, said IS propaganda is so powerful that he has to be vigilant about his own children.
Directing his comments at other Muslim parents, he told the Guardian: ‘I am not immunised. If I feel the need to be extra vigilant, then I think you need to feel the need to be extra vigilant.’
Mr Chishty said friends and family of youngsters at risk of extremism should be intervening much earlier, watching out for subtle, unexplained changes, because those closest to them are best placed to do so.
He said they should challenge and understand what caused such changes in behaviour and seek help, if needs be from the police, if they are worried.
Mr Chishty said it did not make someone an extremist if they criticised ‘British values’, but friends and family should ask why.
He added that more work is needed to understand why young people are attracted to IS: ‘Some are bored, overqualified, underemployed… It is not a holy war.’
“bored, overqualified, underemployed… It is not a holy war”, the fact they can not name the enemy means they have already lost, Sun Tzu 101 – “If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3095423/Brainwashed-Muslim-children-aged-5-think-Christmas-banned-warns-Scotland-Yard-commander.html

Emjay says
My Muslim granddaughter shops at M & S, recently buying me a birthday present from them. My daughter also Muslim shops there regulary
Knight of St. John says
For now.
Gary says
“Mr Chishty also warned of a need for parents to spot early signs of radicalisation”
Simple answer:
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Proverbs 22:6
Gary says
“God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. He is the one we proclaim”
Colossians 1:27-28
The day muslims start proclaiming Christ to their children – radicalization will end.
Ephesian says
Precisely!
WhatsUpDoc says
Funny, he is telling parents to keep an eye on children. Children are only taught what is written in Quran.
I think it would be better for UK to ban Christmas and avoid problems and get used to it will be banned in a few more years when Britain becoms majority Muslims.
Cicero says
As I have mentioned before, elsewhere, Muslims feel persecuted, oppressed, marginalised and disadvantaged in UK society. Yesterday whenwe look at Britsh society we see that Muslims in spite of being only 5 per cent of UK society are more than fully represented in all the echelons of British society from local government to Central government, tool itis, education, health and as inthis article now the Police!
Cicero says
We do not have to wait until Muslims are in the majority in order for Britan to turn into an Islamic state.
All we need are for sufficient Muslims to be in positions of power and importance in the UK (and we already see that taking place now) for Muslim friendly policies to be passed and implemented- affording the non- Muslim majority the status of dhimmies since dummies the Britsh are already..
When the Spanis Kings were fighting each other some of the invited the Moorish Caliphs intoSpain to assist them in gaining victory over their Spanish opponents. The Moors were awarded land andrivileges by these dummy Spanish rulers. The Moors then secured themselves in position of power and ruled the Spaniards for 700 years!
Something similar happened in Kashmir. The Hindu Kings were warring with each other . A wily muslim warrior offered to help one of thekashmiri Hindu kings and became the Hindu king,s special advisor. From thatosition the muslim foreign advisor seized power for himself , deposed the Hindu king and set about transforming Hindu/ Buddhist Kashmir into a Muslim majority state. We see he fruits of such Hindu naïveté today,
This is what awaits the naive indigenous Britsh.
WhatsUpDoc says
Very well stated.
duh_swami says
No one is born with knowledge. It is a clean slate with miles of blanks to get filled in. What those blanks get filled with has to come from somewhere. ‘As the twig is bent, so grows the tree’…So who, or what, is bending the twigs of these at risk children? I suspect the adults around them are the culprits…but that’s only a guess…
TheBuffster says
I’m sure some families are guilty of bending the twigs, absolutely. And with the little ones, it’s most likely parents or other members of the family. But with the older kids, even if they have parents who are not serious Muslims and just want to live in peace, a curious or angry young person can read up on Islam for themselves, and if the radicalism of the primary texts appeals to their young, radical soul, that kid can become a nominal Muslim parent’s Islamic nightmare.
vlparker says
You mean Christmas isn’t banned in the UK? It probably will be soon.
What is it with these people who deny what is right in front of their faces?
mortimer says
Concealed in plain sight…right in front of their noses.
Any man who wears the Allah-Akbar, clipped MUSTACHE is identifying himself as a jihadist. Any woman wearing the full face veil is identifying herself as a jihadist.
Knight of St. John says
And note his definition of the “private space” authorities need to look into didn’t extend to the mosques or mudslime schools.
TheBuffster says
Mortimer, what is the “Allah-Akbar, clipped mustache”?
Ephesian says
vlparker…Your guess is as good as mine,but I’ll bet they voted for Cameron….
Celtic says
The children are being indoctrinated for the cultural Jihad. Just wait and see how this will all turn out in 15 years when these “chldren” will start violence over christmas celebrations. And what then? Will we ban all trees in public?
How long will it take for us Europeans to wake up and realize that we need to deport a large number of people and especially stop importing those lunatics.
Bloody conflict will be inevitable in case this is not adressed soon enough.
William Lucas Harvey Jr. says
Islam is REALLY the “Religion of World Domination, Territorial Acquisition and HATE”.
Islam, contrary to Islam’s “Religion of Peace”, “Grand Deception and Lie”, Rhetoric of Taqiyya and Kitman, Islam’s Condoned Deception to advance the cause Islam , by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them, Islam was NEVER a ‘Religion of Peace’, according to Muslims.
In the Words of ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al_Baghdadi:
“There is no excuse for any Muslim not to migrate to the Islamic State… joining [its fight] is a duty on every Muslim. We are calling on you either to join or carry weapons [to fight] wherever you are.”
He adds: “Islam was never a religion of peace. Islam is the religion of fighting. No-one should believe that the war that we are waging is the war of the Islamic State. It is the war of all Muslims, but the Islamic State is spearheading it. It is the war of Muslims against infidels.”
IS declared a “caliphate” over parts of Iraq and Syria in June 2014.
The speaker in the message says: “There is no might nor honour nor safety nor rights for you except in the shade of the caliphate.”eader Baghdadi Claims “Islam Was Never a Religion of Peace”
http://egyptianstreets.com/2015/05/15/isis-leader-declares-islam-was-never-a-religion-of-peace-islam-is-the-religion-of-fighting/
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/isis-leader-islam-never-a-religion-of-peace-its-a-religion-of-fighting/article/2564625
http://europe.newsweek.com/isis-release-new-baghdadi-audio-islam-was-never-religion-peace-327350
http://nypost.com/2015/05/15/isis-leader-urges-muslims-to-go-to-war-everywhere/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3082114/ISIS-execute-26-civilians-fighters-reach-gates-ancient-Palmyra-Syria.html
http://www.christianpost.com/news/isis-caliph-baghdadi-in-new-audio-message-islam-was-never-a-religion-of-peace-our-jihad-is-the-war-of-all-muslims-139166/
http://patriotsandpolitics.com/isis-leader-baghdadi-claims-islam-was-never-a-religion-of-peace/
http://human-stupidity.com/equality4/islam/islam-was-never-a-religion-of-peace-but-of-war-against-infidels-says-al-baghdadi
I Iat says
Mr. Chishty’s idea it is necessary to understand what attracts young people to IS is a very good one. He should start by investigating the effect the Koran has on children who are made to recite it instead of pushing the myth of underemployment.
It is a holy war. These youngsters go to IS to do what Allah orders them to do.
http://members.ziggo.nl/iiat/
Ephesian says
Presumably Mr.Chisty is a muslim himself,so….rather than acting the innocent I would suggest he knows full well how children are “radicalised”…it’s right there in the homes,in the mosques and in the quran.Jesus said “deny me on earth and I will deny you in heaven also”(or words to that effect)and some “religion” islam is ,that readily denies the true meanings of it’s tenets.Taquiya knows no bounds with these people.
mortimer says
Message to Police and INTELLIGENCE agencies: 1) Listen to Lao Tsu: know the enemy 2) Learn about the enemy with Robert Spencer’s books, Bill Warner, etc. 3) Learn the enemy’s method – the jihad doctrine, lying, concealment, denial. 4) Learn the enemy’s philosophy: al Walaa wal Baraa, Islamic apartheid
cs says
surah 48:29 ?
VRWC member77 says
This guy is a flailing fool. Apparently he has no knowledge of “The 4 Stages of Islamic Conquest”
https://civilusdefendus.wordpress.com/civil-defense/liberty-vs-sharia/
Liberty vs Sharia (click for 4 page pdf file)
Knight of St. John says
Of course he knows what islam is all about. He’s a muslim.
VRWC member77 says
“Britain’s most senior Muslim police officer” You’re right. How the hell did I miss that?
Well, it doesn’t hurt pointing out to casual viewers of this site as to the grand plan of the brotherhood and their ilk.
nacazo says
Judge Reinhardt on how the decision of the ninth circuit court constituted irreparable injury to Freedom of Speech for over a year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/18/judge-reinhardts-opinion-sharply-condemning-the-ninth-circuits-initial-injunction-in-the-innocence-of-muslims-case/
Oceanside says
Taqiyya
Angemon says
What. The. F***? Is this guy for real? Where does he think that 5-year-old children learn to hate jews and Christmas? On the internet? Does he really believe that parents have nothing to do with what a 5-year-old child thinks or says, hor how he/she acts?
Oh, wait:
I think that’s your problem right there.
cs says
You just nailed.
Knight of St. John says
Um, yes.
underbed cat says
I guess I can clearly see the dangerous situation in the U.K. when a Scotland Yard commander is worried about Muslim Children being brainwashed…Scotland Yard appears to be brainwashed or unaware of the verses in the not so peaceful religion that is so peaceful you can’t even examine it or speak…Don’t worry you’ll all be “brainwashed” soon if you don’t read the Koran and find out for yourself what is spoken….in commands…or maybe he does know but has to hide his knowledge to the other Scotland Yard investigators and doing his muslim thing deception.
Gabs says
Is this site for real ur comments are pathetic. What a bunch of bigots. Muslims this Muslims that..u sound like typical winging westerners sitting in ur armchairs passing judgement while ur governments bomb kill and massacre 1000s of Muslims..
Your world view is taken from tv and propaganda,,this attitude is y the world is in this constant state of western aggression..
#downwithisreal #freegaza #boycottallisrealiproducts
Angemon says
Gabs posted:
“Is this site for real”
Is that a question?
“ur comments are pathetic. What a bunch of bigots.”
Thank you for your input. We’ll give it all the importance it deserves.
“Muslims this Muslims that..u sound like typical winging westerners sitting in ur armchairs passing judgement while ur governments bomb kill and massacre 1000s of Muslims..”
And you sound like the typical brain-dead muslim (lol, talk about a pleonasm!) who buys hook, line and sinker into any propaganda, as long as it’s “us versus them” and makes either muslims look good and/or non-muslims look bad. But let’s not what each other sounds like to us get in the way of a rational discussion of facts.
So, where were these alleged “1000s of muslims” killed today? The islamic state? You know of the islamic state, right? It’s that group claiming to be the caliphate whose orthodox interpretations of islam have attracted thousands of muslims from all over the world. They’re killing, raping, enslaving and looting, and they must be stopped. But, according to you, the problem is that allegedly Western governments are killing “1000s of muslims”. Once again, where have these alleged “1000’s of muslims” were killed today? When did Western governments started killing these alleged “1000’s of muslims” daily?
“Your world view is taken from tv and propaganda”
You don’t know any of the people here. You have no idea which countries they’ve traveled to, worked on or even lived. You have no clue on what each commentator here is basing his world view on. Any conclusion you derive from your flawed logic will be equally flawed. And, of course, you’re the one who made an allegation without any sort of evidence to back it up – you’re the one to talk about falling for propaganda.
“#downwithisreal
“down with is real”? Is that supposed to mean that ‘down with’ is real? Down ‘with is real’?
“#freegaza”
Free gaza from whom? The Israelis who left around 2005? Kinda late to the party, aren’t you?
“#boycottallisrealiproducts”
“Boycott all is realli products”? What’s that supposed to mean? We’re supposed to boycott all products that are real? All products that “realli” are something? I don’t get it.
Try again, but this time without doing to the english language what muslims have done to non-muslims throughout history – mercilessly butchering them.
And, of course, I need to stress this out:
“ur comments are pathetic”
Gabs here has no issues with the articles posted on this site, only with the comments.
Jaladhi says
>”Muslim children as young as five have become so indoctrinated by Islamist propaganda they believe Christmas is sinful, Britain’s most senior Muslim police officer warned yesterday.”<
This is where all Westerners go wrong – don't they know this is not an Islamist propaganda. This is plainy out of Quran and Muslim children from the age of five onwards are taught Quran and what is in it. It is not children's fault and it not an early radicalization"
Instead of wondering about radicalization garbage why don't they concentrate on what these children are being taught from their" religious" book known as Quran. Then they will understand the source of all this "radicalization" business. But that won't happen due the PC/MC culture infecting the Western minds where they cannot accept that Islam is so evil!!
Britain is well on its way to become Islamic, I wonder if the will change her name to Queen Nouri from Elizabeth!! LOL…
Jaladhi says
>”Muslim children as young as five have become so indoctrinated by Islamist propaganda they believe Christmas is sinful, Britain’s most senior Muslim police officer warned yesterday.”<
This is where all Westerners go wrong – don't they know this is not an Islamist propaganda. This is plainy out of Quran and Muslim children from the age of five onwards are taught Quran and what is in it. It is not children's fault and it not an early radicalization"
Instead of wondering about radicalization garbage why don't they concentrate on what these children are being taught from their" religious" book known as Quran. Then they will understand the source of all this "radicalization" business. But that won't happen due the PC/MC culture infecting the Western minds where they cannot accept that Islam is so evil!!
Britain is well on its way to become Islamic, I wonder if the Queen will change her name to Queen Nouri from Elizabeth!! LOL…
jayell says
And according to a fairly recent story in the UK national press, about a third of all young people in the UK believe that Muslims are taking over the country. Now, who’s right?
Ephesian says
jayell….and presumably these “third of all young people” are also classed as “bigots”?
underbed cat says
Curious if J.W. is available on the internet in the U.K. or like the freedom of speech, is it forbidden to know about the details of Islam? You might not be able to comment but can you read without breaking the hate speech (lets not speak so they can’t hurt us) laws in the U. K.. ? Does anyone know… I know that a few informed people are banned from visiting…but can you get access to the web? “Stay quiet and you won’t get hurt.” thinking may only work for a while but disrupting cells does not rid one of the entire problem…the ideology spread by Islam mosques.
pdxnag says
The whole pretense that Islam is not bad at its core contributes to surrender during the pre-violent stage of totalitarian Islamic conquest. (Bad, here, means a binary choice in direct opposition to individual liberty, limited government and all things generally known as favoring Enlightenment.)
Saying Islam is Peace is truly nutty.
The recent meme that “Islamic State a perversion of Islam” is also utterly devoid or reason.
Our own US representatives, such as Adam Schiff, parrot this crap like blithering idiots. (And proud of it.)
https://twitter.com/pdxnag/status/602632828082196481
The homes, schools and mosques of pious Muslims is filled with supremacist dogma and preparation for conquest, for that is the true face of Islam – a “religious” duty to engage in a wholly “political” seditious conquest.
Refusal to publicly call out Islam (at its core) as evil and to call the OIC the Axis of Islamic Evil contributes to “radicalization.” Ordinary Islam embraces the attributes we tend associate with radicalization. (Expel them all. Any that remain will just chip chip away at any hint of freedom.)
somehistory says
I don’t think he’s just talking about changing the thinking of muslim children with this comment:
“…Hate and extremism are not acceptable in our society, and if people cannot be educated, then hate and harmful extremism must be eradicated through all lawful means.’
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Don’t most practicing muslims think any criticism of islam is *hate* and *extremism* and label it islam-o-phobia?
He wants to go further in invading *‘private space’, …This wouldn’t just be muslim children being monitored in their “bedrooms” would it?
voegelinian says
Why does England have a Muslim commander in their Scotland Yard?
“Makhdum “Mak” Ali Chishty is Commander for North London – where he is responsible for policing Enfield, Barnet, Camden, Islington, Hackney and Haringey,,,”
Edgar Allen says
“He added that more work is needed to understand why young people are attracted to IS: ‘Some are bored, overqualified, underemployed… It is not a holy war.’ ”
How about the “bored, overqualified, underemployed” Hindus, or Bhuddists, or Koreans, or Vietnamese, or Tibetans,or Haitians, or Methodists, or Amish, or Mormon or atheists or any other religious group other than Muslims?
Why aren’t they attracted to the Islamic State?
What is the ONE OBVIOUS GLARING difference between them? Yes, we can say it, the difference is that THEY ARE MUSLIMS. See, it’s easy to say it. Honest.
Michael Warden says
This muslim idiot has been much space in the British press and the on-line comments are not so polite as those printed here. The problem is largely that the general public in the UK are simply not given the facts about Islam. When planning permission was given for a pub to be converted into a mosque here in King’s Lynn, one comment was that ” when they (the muslims) get their mosque we can all rub along together quite happily “.
Laugh ? I thought I would never get my trousers dry. We have to use American sites like Jihadwatch, Pamela Geller, barenakedislam and Gates of Vienna to get info. The only sites in the UK for proper info are British National Party, Libertygb and Britain First.
Angemon says
Michael Warden posted:
“We have to use American sites like Jihadwatch, Pamela Geller, barenakedislam and Gates of Vienna to get info. The only sites in the UK for proper info are British National Party, Libertygb and Britain First.”
Save whatever info you find useful on your computer for later reference – you never know if some sort of “anti-hate speech” law will have those sites blocked in your country.
Ephesian says
Angemon…..there is talk that the government is going to “snoop” on our computers,under the guise of being able to keep check on “radicalisation”…BUT…we all know who will be being watched,don’t we? If I type “barenakedislam” into Google Chrome,it blocks me…why? So now,you are not even allowed to find out just who it is that wants to kill you! Now I access BNI via another website,and find I can get onto it that way.
Angemon says
Ephesian posted:
“Angemon…..there is talk that the government is going to “snoop” on our computers,under the guise of being able to keep check on “radicalisation”…BUT…we all know who will be being watched,don’t we?”
Yup. Law abiding citizens will find themselves locked out of websites who speak the truth because, apparently, they’re “just as extremists as the islamic state”, or some other BS excuse like that.
Vienna says
The reaction of many people towards the threat of islam reminds me of something I read some time ago now, I can’t quote exactly but it went something like this: Human beings are the only animals who ignore their instinct that something is dangerous, instead they try to reason that it is not a danger and walk straight into it.
Lauri says
Is it true an older English woman fainted in that store when she saw a metal mask wearing Middle Eastern woman queuing at the checkout? I heard the woman fainted because she thought she seen a bird.
Bruno says
This people have one thing in common and it is the rejection of the “West”, they don’t like us and will never like us because of religion reasons, still they will want to immigrate to the Western world not the Muslim world. Weird!.