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UK chooses slow suicide over immediate suicide

May 8, 2015 9:01 am By Robert Spencer

obama_cameronDavid Cameron and the Tories have won an upset victory over the man who was supposed to be Britain’s next Prime Minister, Ed Miliband of Labour.

How wonderful! Britain has rejected Miliband, who said that he would criminalize “Islamophobia,” and chosen to re-elect Cameron, the dhimmi appeaser who banned Pamela Geller and me from Britain the week after his government admitted Saudi Sheikh Mohammed al-Arefe, who said: “Devotion to jihad for the sake of Allah, and the desire to shed blood, to smash skulls, and to sever limbs for the sake of Allah and in defense of His religion, is, undoubtedly, an honor for the believer. Allah said that if a man fights the infidels, the infidels will be unable to prepare to fight.”

The UK has rejected the authoritarian fascist Miliband and chosen the bemused Cameron, who has said that the Islamic State has “nothing to do with the great religion of Islam, a religion of peace” and declared: “I want London to stand alongside Dubai as one of the great capitals of Islamic finance anywhere in the world.”

In other words, Britain has chosen slow rather than immediate suicide. Break out the Veuve Clicquot!

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  1. Julian says

    May 8, 2015 at 9:13 am

    I am from the UK. One of the reasons I spent a great deal of time actively supporting the UK Independence Party (UKIP) is because I knew that with them, there would be a chance that you, Robert, Pamela Geller and the others would have their bans rescinded, to help avert the increasing Shariaisation of the UK. We managed to get around 4 million votes, and 13% of the overall vote, which is over quadruple what we got last time. However, due to the first past the post electoral system we have, it appears we only have just 1 seat in parliament, out of 650 available. It’s a total disgrace to democracy. The UK can no longer call itself a democratic country, given socialist parties like the SNP who got less than half the votes UKIP got, have around 60 seats.

    We tried our best against an aggresively hostile establishment political class and media elites, but I really do think now the game is up. This was the last chance saloon to save the UK from Islamisation. The UK has got what it has asked for and Britain’s future is an Islamic one. And it is a very bleak one indeed.

    • Georg says

      May 8, 2015 at 9:27 am

      How in the heck can 13% of the population have 0.15% of the representation??? Unfathomable. When are people going to become outraged?

      • Julian says

        May 8, 2015 at 9:42 am

        It’s a total disgrace and we all knew this was likely to happen but pressed on regardless in the hope that we could surpass expectations like we did at the European elections last year, which we actually won. On simple voting percentages, UKIP is comfortably the third major party in UK politics after the Conservatives and Labour, despite MP allocations.

        FPTP works in favour of the establishment parties and is extremely difficult for minor parties to overcome. There will simply have to be some sort of referendum on scrapping FPTP and introducing a more proportional system of voting, although I don’t think the establishment parties will particularly want that to happen. A truly sad day for not just the UK, but the wider world.

        • Scott says

          May 8, 2015 at 2:15 pm

          For those of us in the USA who don’t know what the FPTP is, please tell us?

        • Treaclebeak says

          May 8, 2015 at 8:57 pm

          Scott,

          FPTP is the same voting system as used in the U.S. for Congress.

        • pumbar says

          May 9, 2015 at 2:13 am

          It stands for “First past the post”.

      • Tim says

        May 8, 2015 at 10:15 am

        It’s unfuriating to everyone.

        The fact is that UKIP could have had over 144 seats in the Parliament with their 4 million voters. Instead they got 1. However, left wingers in Scotland got 53 seats for only 1.5 mil votes.

        Welcome to England.

        Number of votes needed per seat won at the 2015 election. Produced by Tom Bursnall from the UKIP National Executive:

        SNP 26,444
        CONSERV 34,342
        LABOUR 40,232
        GREENS 121,216
        LIBDEM 289,262
        UKIP 3,767,137

        • Marty says

          May 8, 2015 at 11:55 am

          We bomb countries who we consider not to be “democratic”, while being anything but democratic ourselves.
          The UK voting system stinks, as symbolised both by those statistics and an utterly corrupt House of Lords with 800 unelected members including “Lord” Ahmed who blamed Zionists for his prosecution for dangerous driving.
          One bright spot. Galloway lost to a decent Asian woman who he attacked vilely.
          He is now blaming Hyenas and Zionists for his defeat.

        • Charli Main says

          May 8, 2015 at 12:54 pm

          @ Marty

          “But there will be others who are already celebrating: the venal, the vile, the racists and the Zionists will all be celebrating. The hyena can bounce on the lion’s grave but it can never be a lion and in any case, I’m not in my grave. As a matter of fact I’m going off now to plan the next campaign.”

          George Galloway´s hateful rant after the loss of his Bradford seat.
          This vile, racist, Jew hating POS branding others as racist bigots !!!!!

        • Georg says

          May 8, 2015 at 5:51 pm

          I see Galloway’s replacement, Naz Shah, wrapped in what looks to be a Palestinian flag:

          http://www.asianexpress.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/naz-shah.jpg

          Is it normal for UK MPs to wear others’ flags? This is a “bright spot” nowadays?

        • vlparker says

          May 8, 2015 at 6:58 pm

          @ Marty,

          Hyenas? What does Hillary Clinton have to do with it?

        • torino390 says

          May 9, 2015 at 10:30 am

          Tim, that is truly shocking when you see the figures displayed like way. What have we done… oh my God. I could cry.

    • Clearsighted says

      May 8, 2015 at 9:30 am

      Please explain to this American what “first past the post” means.

      • Michael Copeland says

        May 8, 2015 at 9:47 am

        The candidate with more votes than other individual candidates wins. For instance, Ed Balls (Labour, that is, Socialist) polled 18,354 votes but the Conservatives took 18,776, a majority of 422.
        The party which is “first past the post” (as in horse-racing) secures the seat. The competing party, almost equally voted for, has no representation.
        Systems of “proportional representation” allow for a result that better reflects the voting pattern. The UK does not have proportional representation.

      • Julian says

        May 8, 2015 at 9:49 am

        Basically, there are 650 areas called “constituencies”, divided ‘supposedly’ to represent an equal cross section of society in each seat, whose size is based usually on the density of the population living there. The party that comes first in that constituency wins that seat. It sounds simple and fair, but when you have a party such as UKIP who have significant support spread right across the entire country but just not enough support to come first in individual constituencies, it is grossly unfair to those smaller parties who get squeezed out, often independent of how many total votes they have. That’s why UKIP have 13% of the national vote – 3.9 million votes and 1/650 seats.

        • Georg says

          May 8, 2015 at 10:12 am

          What a disgrace. This is sometimes called “The tyranny of the majority” (see John Adams and De Tocqueville). One would think there’s a fairly straightforward way of getting much more proportional representation. For instance, if UKIP got 13% they should have 84 seats allotted, whose representatives are chosen in descending order of popularity by those registered to/voting for UKIP. Is that not reasonable? The thought of UKIP voters contributing so much in taxes and having almost no control over what is and isn’t in their country is just not acceptable. The argument that the current system is less democratic than it could be seems easy to make, and so if changes aren’t made, it’d be by sinister design and/or gross contempt for the will of the people.

        • Betty says

          May 9, 2015 at 9:15 am

          sounds like the USA the government is just to big.

      • Kenny says

        May 8, 2015 at 2:13 pm

        Sir, it means that if you have the most amount of votes within a constituency boundary, no matter how many people live and vote there, you win. There are 650 constituencies within the UK. Some are very sparsely populated, and others are very heavily populated, but they both return an MP. Hence UKIP standing in a heavily populated constituency can have 20,000 people voting for them and they win, but that means only 1 MP, another party in another constituency can attract 3,000 votes and win because they stand in a constituency with a small population and also return 1 MP. Barmy, isn’t it? But that’s British politics. There is a movement to try to introduce ‘proportional representation’, which would mean the more votes you attract, the more MPs you would return nationwide. I hope that helps, but God help us! At least the vile racist, anti Semite shitebag George Galloway lost his seat. It would seem his Ummah deserted him. How sad!

        • Georg says

          May 8, 2015 at 5:29 pm

          I don’t know much about Naz Shah, but I do see an image of her online with what looks like a Palestinian flag draped over herself:

          http://www.asianexpress.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/naz-shah.jpg

          Is it normal for British MPs to drape themselves in others’ flags?

        • gravenimage says

          May 9, 2015 at 1:07 am

          Yeah, Georg—here she is Tweeting about “freedom for Palestine”:

          https://twitter.com/nazshahbfd/status/486291505804361728

          She supposedly opposes forced marriages, so that’s something.

          Still, as appalling as George Galloway is, this may be out of the fire and into the frying pan…

        • Georg says

          May 9, 2015 at 10:31 am

          Thanks for the info, Graven. I think your analogy is sadly right… I believe Bradford is the second most Islamic (depending how one quantifies it) town/city in all over Europe:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O1bKA5Y3UE

          And TY for submitting to the recent draw the prophet event! Perhaps some of your work violated the terms and was thus dsq’d prematurely… still, je suis graveniamge 🙂

        • gravenimage says

          May 10, 2015 at 2:02 am

          Thank you, Georg! I’ll be posting some of my entries here soon.

      • vlparker says

        May 8, 2015 at 7:06 pm

        It’s the same thing we have here. If a presidential candidate wins a state by 1 vote he gets all of the electoral votes for that state. I think Maine and Nebraska are the only exceptions.

        • vlparker says

          May 8, 2015 at 7:13 pm

          The big difference being that our districts are apportioned by population and as Kenny says theirs aren’t.

    • William says

      May 8, 2015 at 9:55 am

      You say that Britain – I will not refer to it as that Disney fairy tale term – can no longer call itself a democratic country. I would say that you are wrong. Britain is a democratic country. When democracies act self-destructively, we, who have been indoctrinated to believe that democracy is the greatest system of government that man ever devised, must explain away their suicidal actions by saying they are not democratic any longer. It is like the communists who claim that all the communist states that have failed did so because they did not practice real communism. I am afraid to say it, but Britain is a democracy and what you are witnessing is a democracy exhibiting its usual madness.

      • Julian says

        May 8, 2015 at 10:05 am

        Yep. I fear you’re right actually. I’m not sure if you’ve heard about the Rotherham scandal and the Labour party covering up and turning a blind eye to the rape of 1400 British girls for 16 years. Well… the people of Rotherham did not just re-elect Labour, but re-elected them with an increase of 8%! Total incalculable madness!! I really hope you guys in the US can sort these problems out before you get to the toxic stages we are now in.

        • michaelwarden says

          May 8, 2015 at 2:49 pm

          Not only that but the candidate of the British National Party – the party that first exposed the scandal all those years ago and was ignored and vilified – stood in the election and only received a couple of hundred votes. Are all the voters in Rotherham muslim ? I am disgusted with the non muslim voters in Rotherham.

      • Georg says

        May 8, 2015 at 10:34 am

        I certainly understand your argument that democracies can err, I mean look at Egypt w/ Morsi (I think Nader warned about the US not really wanting Middle Eastern democracy because their will would be so out of tune with the West’s) but what about the fact that 1/8 of British voters hold only 1/650 of the seats? Surely that is NOT democracy, but a ochlocracy (“mob rule”). It doesn’t seem the spirit and philosophy of the system is realized by the system’s structure as it is. If I were a UKIP voter I’d first be going about destroying this FPTP affront to representation.

        • bravelytellthetruth says

          May 8, 2015 at 11:37 am

          Pure Democracy is mob rule.

      • janet says

        May 9, 2015 at 9:22 am

        I am not sure Britain has ever been a real democracy as the upper house, the House of Lords are by and large in their positions due to hereditry.

    • Peter Buckley says

      May 8, 2015 at 10:40 am

      I don’t agree at all. I always believed it wasn’t this election that mattered most, but the one in 2020.

      Reason. In 2 years’ time, Cameron HAS to have the referendum. If we vote “out”, the whole political scene will shift completely. All budgets will be changed-everything. If we vote to stay in (by a small majority), this will only increase UKIP’s vote further, as they will be the only party representing 40-50% of the public. It’s a win/win situation for UKIP in 2017.

      It was disappointing to win only 1 seat, but their share of the vote has gone up MASSIVELY. Now established as the THIRD-biggest party, we are in SECOND place in hundreds of seats.

      Also watch out for this story in the coming months:

      http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/565932/Theresa-May-pledges-blitz-hate-preachers-Sharia-courts-extremists

      If Teresa May doesn’t act on Sharia courts, she won’t be allowed to get away with it:

      • Georg says

        May 8, 2015 at 11:05 am

        It’s all well and good TM said that in the lead up to an election, but talk is cheap. They do not have a history of being aggressive with Islamists, so it should be our presumption they will not be in the future until proven otherwise. There are some alarming subtleties in here statement which could allow Islamists to push against an open door, such as: ” [A sharia court being] examined to ensure it supports “British values”. There is no circumstance under which a sharia court supports British values; the whole idea should be a non-starter, but apparently the door is being left open from the go ahead– that’s plainly unacceptable and offensive. It would be nice if she and Tories cracked down on Islamic buffoonery, but there isn’t reason to be hopeful.

        And as for UKIP’s success, they should be congratulated. However, the joy is tempered by the fact that the current system shuts the will of the people out, preventing legislation of their preferences, so what good is the massive success without equally massive policy change?

      • Julian says

        May 8, 2015 at 11:08 am

        There is a 2020 strategy you’re right. And yes they have come 2nd place in a very large number of seats, which puts them in the money seat for 2020. We shall see what happens now. I hope we can grow from here but its going to be tough. I don’t trust the Conservatives to tackle Islamisation one bit given what Theresa May did to Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, what Cameron said about the Lee Rigby beheadings being a “betrayal of Islam”, and Cameron’s calls for Turkey to join the EU. They’ve been allowed to get away with this thus far by the lapdog establishment media and I along with my fellow patriots look forward to the challenge of restoring our country back again, but yes UKIP’s already done the country a massive favour by bringing the EU and immigration onto the agenda, and I believe their successes will continue.

        • Georg says

          May 8, 2015 at 11:22 am

          I agree with your reservations about conservatives tackling Islamization, Julian. Although the UKIP result may not be ideal, congratulations on your efforts as it may change the discourse at the least, and hopefully points to better days to come. The results are definitely more encouraging than discouraging, so it’d be a bad time to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. As an aside, I wonder how France’s 2017 election (with Le Pen) could potentially influence the UK’s 2020 election…

        • Peter Buckley says

          May 8, 2015 at 2:48 pm

          To Georg,

          Don’t you think it’s “fate” that France’s referendum is scheduled for the same year as the UK?

          I’ve been saying for ages that France will leave the EU once Le Pen has the power. If France leaves, that’s the end of the EU, as basically they are second only to Germany, who will be left on their own
          :
          http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/france-politics.10h1

          2017 is going to be very interesting……..

      • uncle bob says

        May 8, 2015 at 7:11 pm

        Sorry to say, but Cameron will NEVER give us the vote on the EU. He said we can have a vote IF he cant renegotiate our deal with the EU. So any, and I mean, any small and pointless change with the EU and Cameron will say he has his new deal, so therefore no need for a vote.
        He is a Conservative. In english that means lying sack of shit that is a waste oxygen. Him and May will have sold us all out to islam by then anyway.
        The next logical step in the history of Britain is RIVERS OF BLOOD.
        From now on its the people of Britain vs islam as the political elite dont give a shit. My next move, Im going to open a pork bbq joint in Tower Hamlets and call it Alan’s Snackbar.

        Fuck islam.

    • David wilson says

      May 8, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      Sometimes I find it hard to believe this is happening. And the youth in the colleges seem to be more and more backward, the 1939 ers. It’s like that movie: ‘the boys from Brazil’, they don’t know how to questiion. And I fear the country is slipping away from us.

      • Georg says

        May 8, 2015 at 5:46 pm

        @ Peter Buckley

        I do think France’s 2017 election will be very fateful. It will be a watershed moment in the sense that Le Pen is an unusually strong candidate representing our cause, and if she’s passed upon it makes it very unlikely someone else representing the cause would make it far/be able to effect policy. If she is elected, and a referendum succeeds, it’d surely change the zeitgeist in the UK and reach other shores.

    • Kepha says

      May 8, 2015 at 10:32 pm

      Julian, read Solzhenitsyn’s _The Oak and the Calf_, or Nien Cheng’s _Life and Death in Shanghai_. And while you’re at it, blow the dust off of the Old Black Book which Jamie Stewart asked Launcelot Andrewes and Co, to translate out of the original tongues. As far as this Anglo-Saxon-by-osmosis Yank can figure out, it’s the book that made Anglo-Saxons (and those influenced by them) great. Persevere!

    • Lia Wissing says

      May 9, 2015 at 5:25 am

      The word is not bleak but bloody.

    • Caroline says

      May 9, 2015 at 7:48 am

      It was a disappointing result for UKIP and those of us who voted for them. They have come from nothing at the last election to four million votes this time, and second place in dozens of constituencies. They are now the third party in English politics after the collapse of The Liberal Democrats. Labour will struggle to ever get a majority as voters have turned their backs on the treasonous scum. Let us hope this is the beginning of the end for the left-wing as an electable force. We must not be too down hearted, the only way is upwards for UKIP. The UKIP vote helped to prevent the Miliband/Sturgeon Marxist horror so our votes were not wasted.

    • Caroline says

      May 9, 2015 at 9:48 am

      It is a disappointing result and I am upset Farage did not win a seat. However, UKIP have come a long way in a few years, from a fringe party of ‘fruitcakes’ to one that won four million votes. I think a lot of people voted to keep the Marxist axis of Miliband and Sturgeon out of government. I run a small business and the thought of those people running/ruining our country filled me with horror, but I kept the faith and voted UKIP

      UKIP voters helped to decimate Labour and bring about the total collapse of the Liberal Democrats. People are fed up with the traitorous left-wing in politics, hopefully the left are now in permanent decline. A UKIP vote wasn’t a wasted one and I hope this is the start of something big. UKIP came second in dozens of constituencies and they are now a force to be reckoned with. Onwards and upwards to great things in 2020.

      • Caroline says

        May 9, 2015 at 9:53 am

        Sorry for near-identical post, I didn’t think the first one got through.

        • Georg says

          May 9, 2015 at 11:07 am

          Thank you for voting UKIP, Caroline– onwards and upwards indeed! For the discouragement I feel with the structure of the voting system I am more encouraged by UKIP’s (ie their voters’) success. We’re in it for the long-haul and the party’s just getting started.

  2. Dazed & Confused says

    May 8, 2015 at 9:14 am

    You’re wrong…”Britain” didn’t vote for “slow suicide”…England did…The Scots and Welsh lurched to the left, but to counteract that England went to the right..

    • Firebug says

      May 8, 2015 at 10:45 am

      The Scots kicked out Labour for taking us for granted for a century. No chance would we vote the Tories in after the Thatcher years and our experimental status under that administration for gems such as the Poll Tax (Tory Jizya).

      I have to agree with the consensus of this thread though – that UKIP got 1 seat with 4m votes. It’s ridiculous, but I take a crumb of comfort from the fact that Labour and its masses of Muslim MPs didn’t get a majority.

      Unfortunately we won’t actually get a UKIP government until the UK people wake up. And I can’t see all of us waking up (Rotherham dhimmis for example) until we are further down the road of the civil war which will surely come from the Tory policies of cuts whilst failing to control immigration. People (native people) WILL get pissed off… matter of time.

      • michaelwarden says

        May 8, 2015 at 2:53 pm

        I predicetd back in 2009 that a civil war would happen before 2020. I stand by that.

        • Raja says

          May 9, 2015 at 11:44 am

          Michaelwarden,

          Civil war is a gross understatement. The muslims want self determination, land to be carved out when in maority as in Asia, Bosnia etc and ultimately genocide when in power. The muslim war machine works very well as there are some evil nuts at the helm of Islam and its propaganda mechanization. It doesn’t need Newton law on motion.(Every action has equal and opposite reaction)

      • Caroline says

        May 9, 2015 at 10:13 am

        Another view on the poll tax
        http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2009/05/david-torrance-debunking-the-myths-about-margaret-thatcher-and-scotland.html
        It is a shame the Scots can’t move on from that time, don’t let the past destroy the future. Bitterness is very corrosive. I was glad the union was preserved, but now I think the best thing is for Scotland to go it alone as England will never be forgiven.

        • Firebug says

          May 10, 2015 at 6:53 pm

          It’s got zero to do with England, it’s a backlash against the Tories.
          Labour proved they will not stand up for the Scots, they got wiped out. Pretty simple, really.

    • michaelwarden says

      May 8, 2015 at 2:52 pm

      Roughly one in three voters actually voted for Cameron and the Conservatives.

  3. Peter Buckley says

    May 8, 2015 at 9:18 am

    I was delighted to hear that the HAMAS supporter George Galloway has lost his seat in Bradford. In a bizarre statement he, in a show of true Islamic paranoia, blamed it on “racists” and “Zionists”:

    He said: “I don’t begrudge the Labour members here their moment of celebration of course.

    “But there will be others who are already celebrating: the venal, and the vile, the racists and the zionists will all be celebrating.

    “The hyena can bounce on the lion’s grave but it can never be a lion, and in any case, I’m not in my grave.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/08/george-galloway-loses-bradford-west-respect-party-speech_n_7239950.html

    Hilarious……..

    • Don McKellar says

      May 8, 2015 at 9:41 am

      Wow. That shows the depth of his left-fascist insanity! Such a funny statement, laced with such black humour that it seems more like it was written by some blogger on a tear trying to exaggerate the delusional mind-set of the left-fascists — but it’s not! That’s really what’s going on in his twisted mind! Remarkable.

      • mortimer says

        May 8, 2015 at 10:26 am

        Galloway is insane. He denounces Zionists while his party leader is Jewish. Why does Miliband not denounce such anti-Jewish rhetoric? Is he also mad?

        • Mirren10 says

          May 8, 2015 at 1:05 pm

          ”Galloway is insane. He denounces Zionists while his party leader is Jewish.”

          Galloway is a pig, but he isn’t insane. Galloway isn’t labour, he ‘stands’ for a ridiculous hybrid known as the ‘Respect Party’.

          But it *is* amusing that he denounces all those *muslim* voters who kicked him out, in Bradford, as ‘racists and Zionists’. 🙂

        • cs says

          May 8, 2015 at 2:36 pm

          Ed has a Jewish mother, but has not connection with the culture of faith, it is more a genetic thing, so to me he is not even Jewish.

    • cs says

      May 8, 2015 at 10:40 am

      I had some of the best laughs in months. #funtime.

  4. David says

    May 8, 2015 at 9:21 am

    Anyone to the left of Liberty GB is on the far left and interested in destroying the country, although at different paces. The British people have not got the courage, nor the decency to vote for candidates who believe in the BRITISH people. You are satisfied to destroy your heritage. YOU deserve what you get, but only YOU…but what about those who are not suicidal, who believe in preserving Britain rather than hurtling further toward Britainistan? What about those to come who will curse your being contentedly suicidal lemmings? Our ancestors would be appalled by your willingness to throw it away.

  5. Don McKellar says

    May 8, 2015 at 9:36 am

    I really wonder if the left-fascist’s comments about empowering Islam even further had any impact on the voting. Surely at this point there is a percentage of people there who realized they better get the hell out and vote for the lesser of two evils, or the whole place is going down in a civil war in very short order. At least with corrupt and compromised Cameron, there is some hope of a future election before the inevitable. A little time has been bought before the civil war breaks out — but that’s up to the rapidly growing moslem population. They could start burning suburbs full of cars at any time.

    • Georg says

      May 8, 2015 at 11:31 am

      I would imagine it did have a meaningful impact. As evidence, look at the proportion of people now voting UKIP (however ineffectual the current system renders their will), there’s no way “immigration” isn’t strongly associated with UKIP voting behavior, and so why not with conservative votes? Labour, vis a vis Islam, is scaring people.

    • Mirren10 says

      May 8, 2015 at 1:20 pm

      ”I really wonder if the left-fascist’s comments about empowering Islam even further had any impact on the voting. ”

      I’m sure it did, which is why UKIP got 3.9 *million* votes.

      Also, miliband’s idiotic granite stone ( he should have thought how much it resembled a gravestone 🙂 ) probably made a lot of people realise what an utter wanker he is. I’d love to know what he’s going to do with it, now !

  6. Jaladhi says

    May 8, 2015 at 9:43 am

    It doesn’t matter who is in power in UK. They are all dhimmis and eventually the British lion gets a make over into a Islamic cat!!

    • pumbar says

      May 9, 2015 at 2:36 am

      What a stupid statement.

  7. Angemon says

    May 8, 2015 at 9:54 am

    Break out the Veuve Clicquot!

    And hurry, before muslims get the chance to complain that seeing other people drinking is a disrespect to them, a personal attack on all muslims worldwide and the government and the media try to “slut-shame” anyone drinking.

    • Caroline says

      May 9, 2015 at 10:17 am

      Theresa May, our Home Secretary, is working on a law that will help with that. Something about criminalising Islamophobia, a catch-all term that will be used to it’s full extent against the native English.

  8. duh_swami says

    May 8, 2015 at 10:12 am

    My sympathies to those of you who actually care about your country.

  9. mortimer says

    May 8, 2015 at 10:28 am

    The Scottish nationalists want to destroy one of the most successful partnerships in history. Insane.

    • Firebug says

      May 8, 2015 at 10:48 am

      Successful for whom?

      • Marty says

        May 8, 2015 at 11:58 am

        For the Scots.
        They’ve been living on English charity for decades, and like many recipients of
        foreign aid, hold us in contempt.

        • ecosse14 says

          May 8, 2015 at 1:13 pm

          Marty you are talking crap and it’s attitudes like yours that make the Scots vote SNP.

        • Kepha says

          May 8, 2015 at 10:38 pm

          As a Presbyterian myself, I have to agree that Scotland’s union with England has been very beneficial to Scotland–and I can’t help how much Britain as a whole benefited from a host of Scots (and Irish Protestants) who contributed more than their share to the number of eminent and useful Britons. I have an Irish-American colleague who is alternately tearful and belligerent about the wrongs inflicted by perfidious Protestant Albion on poor bleeding Ireland (which her family hasn’t seen in four generations, I guess)–and at the same time hates the Roman Catholic Church in which she was raised. I’m tempted to tell her that had her folks turned Protestant along with the English, Scots, and Welsh, they’d probably be running a Greater Britain.

        • Firebug says

          May 10, 2015 at 7:04 pm

          Penicillin, telephone, TV, tarmac, carronades (the cannon that made Brittania rule the waves). Cba listing more, you’ve been proved to be an idiot.

        • Treaclebeak says

          May 10, 2015 at 9:41 pm

          Firebug,

          Not penicillin, the antibiotic was actually developed by an Australian Howard Florey and a German Ernest Chain, they received the Nobel Prize. Also Baird’s TV system was a technological dead end.

      • juancolina says

        May 8, 2015 at 3:06 pm

        Firebug

        If you have to ask that then you must be one of the recipients of the charity shipped north to Scotland every year.

        But just like muslims you claim you are a victim.

        That game is over as is the claim of racism.

        The SNP played the TRIBAL card during the election and now are powerless at Westminster as result,

        • Firebug says

          May 10, 2015 at 7:06 pm

          This beauty likens me to a Muslim. Must be a Leftist… classic behaviour: can’t form a reasonable argument, let’s resort to bullshit.

      • girigiri says

        May 8, 2015 at 4:29 pm

        The Scots were a powerhouse of the Empire and prospered greatly as a result. However, now that the UK is a B-List operation they want out (or at least 45% of them do.)

  10. Les Peoples says

    May 8, 2015 at 10:45 am

    As of now, Britain has chosen by its elected leader to continue to fall from Gods grace as it has since once’ being a nation where the sun did not set when not on British soil !. Today the choice of not looking to blessing Gods people the Jew but continuing to curse the Jew is costing Britain tremendously in the worlds status in Gods eyes. Interfering with the land firstly granted by God to his chosen people have harmed as can be seen in days following when propaganda lies are followed which endorses the Arab-Muslims since Israel became a state in 1948. Trying to be a friend with Americas {Islam} Obama, is not the best interest in Gods eyes and as the cancer of Islam and Sharia slowly engulf the UK. until it will be bound and conquered then helpless ! The one true God– not Allah, is no respecter of persons but is faithful to bless those that honor his Word and abide in future promises. He does Not Lie as Islam teaches!

  11. Papa Whiskey says

    May 8, 2015 at 10:57 am

    “In harsh or melancholy epochs, free men may take comfort from the grand lesson of history: that tyrannies cannot persist except among servile races. The years that seem endless to those who must endure are but a flick of mischance upon the journey.”

    — Winston Spencer Churchill

    • michaelwarden says

      May 8, 2015 at 2:57 pm

      And ” Islam in a man is as dangerous as hydrophobia in a dog “.

  12. Rob says

    May 8, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    The Conservative/Lib Dem coalition was always hobbled by the Lib Dem component. I think Cameron was serious about amending the Human Rights Act so that it didn’t continue to stymie the deportation of illegals and convicted felons.
    He would never have gotten that past the LDs and the voters have sent the LD packing.
    Miliband made much earlier in the campaign of the idea that Labour ‘has changed on migration’ but T Blair endorsing him in the final days simply reminded voters of the near-treasonous actions of the Blair/Brown governments to stack the UK with ME and South Asian Muslims.
    As to proportional representation, have a look at New Zealand which transitioned from FPP to proportional a few years ago. NZ has a mixed member proportional system which is akin to many European countries. Nearby Australia has a transferable vote system which is also worthy of consideration. It doesn’t guarantee that House seats are directly proportional to popular vote but it is cleaner and simpler than the mixed member approach.

  13. William says

    May 8, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    As someone had commented somewhere, it is not the mass or the majority that is going to change things for the good. The mass is a mindless mob. It is the mass that has carried us to this situation. And that is what democracy is based on: the mass, acting in its own self-interest, will do the right thing. We need to re-evaluate that assumption. Just as change for the worst was achieved by the bold, malevolent few, change for the good will only be achieved by the bold, righteous few. And that will take years of effort on their part to make the changes necessary in the mob’s behavior. Forget about the white knight coming in shining armor only in the nick of time to save us. It is not going to happen. If any white knight comes along, he will be a dictator. Maybe that is the part of the cycle that is coming. And we in the US are in the same fleet, different ship, as Britain and Europe, only a little farther behind on the sea to flotsam.

    The West has a fervent belief in the religion of democracy buttressed with Equality. We are also its apologists and evangelists to the world. Bush tried it in Iraq. Others have tried it before. I don’t know when it was that democracy became so revered. I suspect it’s fairly recent. Maybe Plato and other critics of democracy were right after all. It is my opinion that democracy is leading to the ruination of the West.

    • Mirren10 says

      May 8, 2015 at 1:13 pm

      “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.” ( Winston Churchill, from a House of Commons speech on Nov. 11, 1947)

      What type of government would *you* like ?

      • gravenimage says

        May 8, 2015 at 3:30 pm

        very true, Mirren.

      • William says

        May 8, 2015 at 4:04 pm

        How about one where not just because you have reached 18 years of age, you can vote? We can start there.

        • Mirren10 says

          May 8, 2015 at 5:15 pm

          ‘How about one where not just because you have reached 18 years of age, you can vote?”

          So what should be the age criterion, in your opinion, William ? Or any other criterion ?

          Come on, don’t be shy.

          I rather think your criterion would be; ”anyone who disagrees with **me**”.

        • William says

          May 8, 2015 at 9:25 pm

          In order to have an age criterion, that criterion has to be based on some rational assumption. I would think that most 18 year olds are not equipped (experientially) to adequately consider the implications of their vote. Most haven’t even left from under the dependency of their parents. They haven’t lived a life of responsibility at that age. One should have lived an independent life, providing for themselves and their families, and should have lived the consequences of government actions that follow from their vote in a democracy.

        • pumbar says

          May 9, 2015 at 2:42 am

          So you can get married, get killed in the armed forces, drive a car and have a pint but you can’t vote at 18? That’s reasonable?

      • Frank says

        May 8, 2015 at 6:03 pm

        How about “dummocraty”?

  14. Kenny says

    May 8, 2015 at 2:00 pm

    Wow, how great is our general election result? Witless Cameron has returned to power with no idea what he’s facing. Remember him? Mr ‘drive by war’, in Libya, ‘I want to sent forces against Assad. Err no. Do I? I’m not sure. Oh fuck it, I haven’t a clue but Parliament has stopped me anyway’. Even better is that the buffoon Boris Johnson, you remember him, he who said ‘You can’t blame Islam for this’, when Rigby was murdered, has won a seat in our parliament. Never mind, Cameron’s homie bro Obama has congratulated him on his win. Inshallah! Doesn’t it make us proud to be British?

  15. Scott says

    May 8, 2015 at 2:10 pm

    Robert so “gets it”…… Concise and to the point.

  16. gravenimage says

    May 8, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    UK chooses slow suicide over immediate suicide
    ………………………….

    Um…yay? Seriously, it could have been worse. This is the best we could hope for at this point. Let’s hope that isn’t true in future.

    • Mirren10 says

      May 8, 2015 at 4:16 pm

      This is true, graven.

      It would have been terrifyingly worse if miliband had got in.

      But there is no doubt we have to change the iniquitous ‘first past the post’ electoral system. UKIP secured *3.9 million votes*. More than the SNP, and the LibDems combined, yet they are only entitled to *1* seat. Something that UKIP needs to take up as a clarion call.

      I’m taking bets, by the way. How long do you reckon before camoron reneges on his *second* promise of an EU referendum ? And ups his demands Turkey should be admitted into the EU ? Or may on her promise to ‘blitz’ jihadist preachers, monitor mosques, and hold sharia courts to British values ? Odds are evens !

      • Wellington says

        May 8, 2015 at 5:50 pm

        Well, Mirren, the Dumb Party led by Cameron won rather than the Dumber Party led by this cuckoo fellow, Milliband. My God, Milliband is even worse than Obama and this is no mean feat to “accomplish.”

        As for the UKIP winning 13% of the vote but only getting one seat in Parliament, this is not the fault of democracy but rather of democracy badly done. No question about it, this inequity in the UK should be addressed and fixed; whether it will be, though, is a different matter. I shall, however, allow myself to be encouraged that 1/8 of British voters “get it” about where Britain’s future should be headed. In fact, it’s certainly more that 13% of the electorate because at least some who voted Conservative and even a few here and there who voted for another party, for instance the SNP, have to have a fair amount of sympathy for the UKIP even though they couldn’t bring themselves to vote for it this time. And I predict that this 13% figure will only increase as time goes on unless some implosion within the UKIP occurs or the Conservative Party as a whole finally comes to its senses.

        As always, Mirren, my best to you and yours. Well, the war continues, doesn’t it? And it is a war for the very soul of the West. Pamela Geller was right on target when she described what we are facing in this century as a war. As I know you know, you can have Islam or you can have liberty. You can’t possibly have both. Stay well, my across-the-pond friend.

        • Kepha says

          May 8, 2015 at 10:42 pm

          Wellington and others:

          You mean, Milliband is as narcissistic and Mr. Bean-ish as the O?

      • gravenimage says

        May 9, 2015 at 1:17 am

        Yes, Mirren—I’m well aware of what an appalling mediocrity Cameron is—but also how much worse Milibrand would have been. I also very much agree that parties like UKIP should have greater representation, but I knew this election would effectively come down to Labour and Conservative.

        The outcome was about the best that could have been hoped for at this point—sorry this is such a low bar. But Britain needs true patriots like you, Mirren–hang in there!

  17. William says

    May 8, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    Where are those who have been saying that a revolution is coming, in particular, to Britain? I am not able to see how anyone can talk about revolution now, since the status quo has just been validated by another election victory. I cannot see how there can be a revolution in such a circumstance. The ruling class has gotten their reaffirmation and re-legitimization. Any attempt at revolution to overthrow and replace the current body would be quickly eliminated with the full force of their enforcers, ruthlessly.

  18. Mirren10 says

    May 8, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    ” I am not able to see how anyone can talk about revolution now, since the status quo has just been validated by another election victory.”

    I think you need to consult a dictionary, in order to understand what ‘revolution’ actually means. I expect Louis XIV thought ”the status quo has just been validated”.

  19. No Fear says

    May 8, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    Ed Milliband would have done better if his first name was Steve. 🙂

  20. David says

    May 8, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    I didn’t hear any commentators on the BBC discuss Rotterham last night. I think Rotterham was a major factor in the election. I think it has destroyed the credibility of Labour.

    • Baucent says

      May 8, 2015 at 8:37 pm

      I noticed that too. The political commentators just didn’t want to ask the question why was Labour losing votes to UKIP.

    • tilda says

      May 9, 2015 at 4:55 am

      And yet the Labour candidate was re-elected in Rotherham.

      UKIP came second, but still a fair way behind Labour.

      I can’t figure it out.

      • torino390 says

        May 9, 2015 at 10:43 am

        One word: Sheep. Question to voter: ‘Why did you vote Labour?’ – Answer from (smiling) voter: ‘Our family always have done’ We are ruined.

  21. Nathan says

    May 8, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    Don’t write us of yet!…. Please!

    We were told via the media that Labour were going to win, not by enough to control parliament, but by enough to get into bed with the ultra left SNP. That’s what we were told by the leftist bbc, a bias media corporation, that still thinks labour are in power, that we all pay for via a tax call TV licensing. Anyway, i digress.

    What are people supposed to do? Vote for UKIP and end up with labour? It’s not worth the risk. They were going to outlaw islamophobia, keep us in the EU (open borders) and were hoping for a muslim PM one day. The Conservative (middle/right) are supposed to be giving the British people a referendum on EU membership in 2017. If we get out of the EU, we can control our borders.

    What would you do?

    That’s why the Conservatives stormed the election, peoples fear of labour getting in. Thank God they didn’t!

  22. Eric says

    May 8, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    I see a lot of opposition to the first past the post system here. That’s misguided. The real problem in the UK system is the strict party loyalty of the members to their leadership. People should be able to vote for who they want to represent them in their district.

    If you implement a proportional system, then people have no representative in Parliament. The party leadership picks who will be in Parliament. You end up voting for a party instead of voting for a person.

    I sympathize with UKIP, and that’s as an American looking from abroad. I was rooting for them. I watch video of Farage all the time and love the guy. But I don’t see this as a failure and I’m not sure why he resigned. Did they really expect to win loads of seats? Their support is spread out across the country, but they really aren’t the #1 party anywhere (except 1 seat). The SNP represents a dominant view in Scotland and so should get their seats.

    Even though UKIP didn’t win but 1 seat, they have influenced the debate. Immigration is finally being discussed. Islam is being discussed. Probably a majority of the country is considering leaving the EU. They are winning the war of ideas. They are really in a win/win situation here:

    Should Cameron refuse to have a referendum, the Conservatives will lose massive support to UKIP. Should they hold the referendum and it win, then UKIP would probably dissolve but have won their issue and restored national sovereignty. Should the referendum lose, then UKIP would gain in support, similar to how the SNP has gained in support have losing their referendum.

    Additionally, the problem of Islam in Britain and elsewhere in Europe will only get worse in the years ahead. That’s going to wake up more and more people, leading to greater support for parties that oppose Islam. I only wish that more people were awake to the dangers of Islam here in the U.S.A. Europe, despite being far more ‘progressive’, is more awake to the threat than the isolated Americans who largely are ignorant to the threat.

    • Mirren10 says

      May 9, 2015 at 3:44 am

      ” … I’m not sure why he resigned. ”

      He resigned because he lost his seat. He said, before the election, he would do this if he lost, because a leader of a political party who cannot sit in Parliament would be a joke.

      He has more integrity than any of them.

  23. Treaclebeak says

    May 9, 2015 at 12:52 am

    Eric,

    (1) “People should be able to vote for who they want to represent them in their district.”

    Where did you get that idea, voters can vote for anyone who is willing to stand for parliament, a party endorses candidates, so what? The same procedure is followed in the US.

    (2) “If you implement a proportional system, then people have no representative in Parliament. The party leadership picks who will be in Parliament. You end up voting for a party instead of voting for a person.”

    Another strange idea, voters in multiple member electorates can choose one candidate over another, people can vote for a party or a person. The system of choosing candidates varies between parties in most parliamentary systems around the world.

    (3)”Even though UKIP didn’t win but 1 seat,”

    UKIP only won seat because of the unfairness of the first-past-the-post system, compare UKIP’s number of seats with the SNP’s, and the % of the vote each party received. FPTP is crude and unrepresentative, candidates rejected by the majority of voters can be elected. The essential difference between FPTP, preferential and proportional systems is the way the votes are counted.

    Whether a parliamentary or the US system is more democratic is open to debate.

  24. Treaclebeak says

    May 9, 2015 at 12:54 am

    Should be “only won 1 seat…”

  25. Tommo says

    May 9, 2015 at 4:53 am

    Robert is mistaken. The massive support for Cameron by the British public has caused a major upset and rather than it being a sign of dhimmi it shows a wholesale rejection of politics of the left and decimation of the Labour party. The LibDems, traditionally the third largest party now don’t exist winning only 8-seats. This was payment for their leftist restrictions within the coalition. Leaders of both parties have resigned and many of their senior politicians weren’t elected. This was a great night for the Conservatives who can now govern without leftist influences and give the people the say they wouldn’t have had under Labour – the EU referendum.

    • Mirren10 says

      May 9, 2015 at 10:27 am

      ”This was a great night for the Conservatives who can now govern without leftist influences and give the people the say they wouldn’t have had under Labour – the EU referendum.”

      Do you really think camoron is going to stand by that promise ? I don’t. Remember, he reneged on it last time. This time, he’s said we’ll have a referendum if he can’t ‘renegotiate our position’. All he has to do is win some paltry concession, and he’ll be able to say renegotiating was successful, so we don’t need a referendum.

      I really doubt someone who is constantly demanding *Turkey* be admitted to the EU is in any way sincere about giving us a referendum. He has too much to lose if we voted to get out.

      • Tommo says

        May 10, 2015 at 5:42 am

        You should be rejoicing that leftists have been removed from Westminster and the Labour movement reduced to where they were in the 1980’s, leaderless and bewildered at their rejection by the electorate. Their policies and tie-up with unionism was a major reason for their defeat and resulted in something that Robert thought couldn’t happen in dhimmi Britain – the decimation of the left.

  26. Smart Guy says

    May 9, 2015 at 5:58 am

    Britain is NOT a democracy. To be a true democracy you need far more than the right to vote. Stalin said
    “It is not how you vote that matters, it is who counts the votes.” If a computer counts the votes then whoever programmed the computer can “Fix” the election. Third parties can be denied participation is the debates, by allowing only the two leading parties to debate. Britain does not have the 1st amendment.
    Britain is a monarchy, the Queen signs into law all legislation and MP’s have to take an oath to serve Her Majesty, not a constitution. An MP was arrested for quoting Winston Churchill. Proving beyond all reasonable doubt that there is no such a thing as the 1st amendment. All those that voted against Islam or immigration can be fired from their jobs or denied government benefits. The Queen went into the Green Mosque in Turkey with a head covering. She is responsible for the invasion of Islam.
    Moslems have been allowed to invade England because the ruling class saw such an invasion as a means of destroying trade unionism, they were brought in under Ted Heath. Labor has been sold on the bleeding heath liberal doctrine that we must be sympathetic to such down trodden people. It is big business that has been pedaling the bleeding heart liberal doctrine, not the rank and file of the Labor
    party. The leaders of the Labor Party have proved themselves to be traitors to Labor. The working people of England find it hard to vote for a Conservative Party as a means of punishing the treasonous Labor Party. The working people have to start voting with their heads and not their hearts.
    Had the third party called the Labor Party traitors to the working class they might have won! Trotsky wrote, “The Revolution Betrayed”

  27. Morag says

    May 9, 2015 at 6:14 am

    Lots of interesting points.

    I agree with you Nathan. In the month leading up to the election we were bombarded with six or seven daily polls, in addition to media coverage, telling us that it was neck and neck between Labour and the Tories. And Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond of the SNP made v v clear that should the election result in a hung parliament (no party with overall control), they would use their votes to prop up a Labour government – even if the Tories were the larger party. While rEd Milliband tried to distance himself from this position, saying that he would not go into a coalition with the SNP, only a simpleton would have believed him. Obviously he would have taken the coalition option rather than stay out of power.

    In tandem with this the media, establishment, and all the other parties ran a v dirty campaign against UKIP, treating them as, at best a joke, and at worst as the most evil people in history, akin to the Nazis.

    So, some people were intimidated into not voting UKIP because of how they were portrayed. But a lot more were so terrified of Labour getting in again and doing even worse damage that they felt their only option was to vote tactically rather than their hearts – Tory instead of UKIP – to keep Labour out.

    Would love to know what the true level of support for UKIP would have been without the Labour threat. I’m guessing it would have been about double.

    I hope, Tommo, that you are correct and that the Tories, now unfettered by the LibDems, really will make meaningful changes. However, after spending 5 years watching them pander to Islam, ignoring the horror, while telling us all how marvellous it is (and denouncing anyone with less enthusiasm), I don’t feel particularly confident of that.

  28. Mark says

    May 9, 2015 at 7:18 am

    This is a ridiculous post . Ed Miliband never sais such a thing. Can soneone show any proof he actually said it?
    Also on an interview on LBC news a few days ago Miliband was asked if he believed in god and is answer was No.
    This story was probably made up my muslims but there is simply no evidence whatsoever that it was said .

    • Peter Buckley says

      May 9, 2015 at 8:20 am

      Yes he did. Here is the original interview:

      http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/newspaper/top-stories/labour-to-outlaw-islamophobia-says-miliband-in-an-exclusive-interview/

      The interview was widely reported in other newspapers (just google it).

      You may also be interested in this rather pathetic PR exercise, obviously carried out to “win over” the “muslim community” which clearly backfired:

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11581329/Senior-Labour-politicians-Liam-Byrne-and-Tom-Watson-attend-segregated-Muslim-rally.html

      And then they wonder why they’re losing votes to UKIP………

      Hilarious……..

      • Mark says

        May 9, 2015 at 8:55 am

        Your using a newspaper as evidence and they got it from a source that is bound to say he said it. Muslim news are going to say he said it because its exactly what they want. He was on LBC radio a few days ago abd he was asked if he believed when we die we go somewhere else. He answered it wouod be nice to thibk we did but I do not believe in all of that . This doesnt sound to me like a person that would outlaw islamophibia. I dobt like islam as much as anyone , i dont like any religion but i do not bekieve he said this at all.

        • Peter Buckley says

          May 9, 2015 at 9:07 am

          http://my.telegraph.co.uk/wheretofind/where-to-find/333/britains-labour-party-vows-to-ban-islamophobia/

          http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/573060/Dare-speak-out-Ed-send-Thought-Police-Islamophobia-danger-to-Britain-warns-Leo-McKinstry

          http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/general-election-2015-labour-will-toughen-hate-crimes-legislation-surrounding-islamophobia-10203918.html

          Why don’t you try contacting Britain’s newspaper industry and inform them he never said it. As Robert would say, BEST OF LUCK WITH THAT!

          Hilarious…………..

  29. Judi says

    May 9, 2015 at 9:29 am

    And Paul Weston, who ran for Luton South, polled a derisory 158 votes. In my opinion, he is not given enough publicity. He is a brilliant orator and speaks for a vast majority of the indigenous British public. It just ain’t fair!

    • Mirren10 says

      May 9, 2015 at 10:14 am

      ”And Paul Weston, who ran for Luton South, polled a derisory 158 votes.”

      It takes time to establish a political party. Look at UKIP; just a few years ago, they were in a similar position, but they’ve now cornered 3.9 million votes. I’d have voted LibertyGB if they’d had a candidate in my constituency.

  30. Judi says

    May 9, 2015 at 9:35 am

    Meanwhile, Paul Weston of LibertyGB, ran for Luton South and polled a derisory 158 votes. He is a great orator and speaks for the indigenous Brits regarding the islaminisation of the country. It just ain’t fair!!

  31. Edgar Davidson says

    May 9, 2015 at 12:13 pm

    It is quite incredible how many ‘conservatives’ think that Cameron’s victory is going to herald geat changes. They clearly have not ntocied what Cameron has been doing and saying for the last 5 years in power. On every core issue (especially when it comes to foreign policy and Islam) the Conservatives are no different from any of the other main parties in the UK (with exception of UKIP):
    http://edgar1981.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/the-variety-of-policies-that-were.html

  32. Mark says

    May 9, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    why is it you choose to believe he said it ? This is the main reason I believe it was never said. He would without a shadow of doubt been recorded and you can bet your life that muslims would have put that out .
    Why havent we actuslly heard him saying it?

    • Peter Buckley says

      May 9, 2015 at 4:30 pm

      For something that, according to you, “wasn’t said”, some very well-known people have gone to a lot of trouble to respond to “something that never happened”.

      https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/591889098803122176

      https://twitter.com/MaajidLibDem/status/591965167015043073

      As Robert would say, no doubt you’ll be on the phone to Maajid Nawaz and Richard Dawkins to convince them that Miliband never said it.

      BEST OF LUCK and PLEASE LET US ALL KNOW HOW YOU GET ON.

      Hilarious………

  33. Joe Shmo says

    May 9, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    I’ll take slow suicide. It buys us time!

  34. Danny says

    May 9, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    I am from the UK and did not vote for this treacherous b*stard to stay in power, nor did anyone i know. The system here is a fix, just as it is in the USA, who in the right mind votes for Obama 2 terms, not many . Same goes here in the UK, people do not realize it is an utter fix.

  35. Mark says

    May 9, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    Peter Buckley Find the evidence for yourself abd stop being a sheep. Just because Richard Dawkins says something on Twitter doesnt mean its a FACT. Why do you not have any links to audio of miliband claiming something that wouod affect people so much? I cant stand islam as much as anyone else but the difference is you want to believe he said it , I would rather see evidence . Do you actually know what evidence is?

  36. Mark says

    May 9, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    If you require no evidence and still choose to believe then your as bad as muslims who make up shit about islamophobia

  37. Mark says

    May 9, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    And Im not trying to convince someone he never said it. But i am saying nobody at all has shown any evidence he said it. How ironic you mention Richard Dawkins who will always be the first to show you the evidence . Im not even saying he did not say it because he night have, there is just no proof, just a bunch of muslims claiming hes one of ours . Doesnt logic tell you they would have an audio recording .

    • Angemon says

      May 10, 2015 at 8:07 am

      Mark posted:

      “And Im not trying to convince someone he never said it.”

      You do, however, said “ Ed Miliband never sais such a thing.” And “This story was probably made up my muslims but there is simply no evidence whatsoever that it was said”

      But, you know, it’s not like when you say that the story was probably made up you’re trying to convince us that Miliband never said what the media claim he did, and that he didn’t came forth denying.

      “But i am saying nobody at all has shown any evidence he said it.”

      Because you went like this: a newspaper reported Miliband saying that? Well, it’s just one newspaper, they might have made it up. More newspapers said so? Well, that proves nothing. Give me an audio recording or it didn’t happen!”. You ignoring evidence is not the same as people not bringing up evidence. By your rules, since there’s no audio recording of Miliband denying he ever intended to criminalize islamophobia therefore he doesn’t deny he said it and the only possible conclusion is that he said it.

      But I’m not trying to convince you he said it, so … peace?

      • Mark says

        May 10, 2015 at 10:31 am

        Ok look . I invite miliband into my house for in interview and i dont record andthing he says .
        I then ask him a few questions .
        Then i claim he agreed with me.
        Maybe he hasnt come out to flatly disagree because of the votes he would lose but it still doesnt prove he said or agreed anything. This is what i believe might have happened is that he has been asked about tacklong hate crimes on innocent muslims who feel vulnerable . I know i agree its total bullshit dont think i am on theor side at all. I just believe they will have worded it in a way to get him to agree that any evidence of this needs to be dealt with. Then i think its more likely they have twisted it to make it look like he will outlaw anyone who insults islam or speaks about it negatively . The reason he didnt respond to it at all is because he knew it would affect the votes. Im not at all claiming he didnt say it . He night have but i really dont see evidence he said it. I dont say he didnt say it because of no video or audio evidence . But i do believe its so unrealiable to think he saod it because the muslims who intercoewed him said he did. Ed miliband is an atheisr by the way, i actuslly heard him say he doesnt believe in god on LBC radio

    • Mark says

      May 11, 2015 at 3:45 am

      Dawkins?, evidence? hah hah, good joke.

  38. Mark says

    May 10, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    lol you made me laugh of course your wouldnt need a recording of him denyibg he said it, the onus is on the one that makes the accusation . It is impossible to prove he never said something it is only possible to prove he did say it. Have you seen it on sky news or the bbc? The actual image i see had a muslim with what looks like atape recorder. I believe it more likely that muslims are lying . Dont yoy think its pretty reasonable to assume they are?

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