The stakes couldn’t possibly be higher, but no one in the mainstream media seems to understand that or to be willing to recognize it publicly. The question is this: will the free West allow thugs and murderers to dictate our behavior and force non-Muslims to conform to an Islamic religious law? Or will it stand up for the freedom of speech and recognize it as our foremost protection against an authoritarian government that would strip us of our other rights and freedoms?
CNN’s Alisyn Camerota, in this joust with Pamela Geller, exemplifies the moral blindness of the West, and its eagerness to go gently into that good night, submitting to the dictates of killers.
Buraq says
Wonderful!
I can’t think of a point about Islam’s violent teachings, doctrines and ideology Pamela Geller didn’t cover.
Hoekom Jy My Haat says
What we in the West must remember is that Islam does NOT mean “peace” as they want us to believe. Islam actually means “submission”, or perhaps the peace one finds through total submission to allah, mind body and soul. To the Western mind this does not seem like peace, but more like brainwashing. We must never submit.
Know Islam, No Peace.
No Islam, Know Peace.
Omar BEDDALI says
Moreover, It is not clear on the way you submit; shia ?, sunna ? hanfi ? maleki ? hanbali ?, et.
terry says
Bravo Pamela!!!
Proud Pork Fan says
Agreed, Pamela did fantastic! I love how she used the term “morally inverted” which is EXACTLY what it is. Will the idiots wake-up from their pro-sharia stance?
mortimer says
‘Morally inverted’ is correct. Islam wants to invert the values of European civilization which are the golden rule, equality, fraternity, freedom of expression.
We need to get the point across to the Media that counterjihad is about CHANGING PEOPLE’S THINKING, rather than hurting feelings.
We don’t want to insult Muslims, but we do want to CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
Proud Pork Fan says
“We need to get the point across to the Media that counterjihad is about CHANGING PEOPLE’S THINKING, rather than hurting feelings.
We don’t want to insult Muslims, but we do want to CHANGE THEIR MINDS.”
I disagree. I think our main job is to wake-up Americans and Westerners all over the world to the threat of the ideology of Islam. Once we are “awake” to the gravity of the Islamic threat then we can better figure out what to do such as halting immigration from Muslim countries, etc.
I don’t care if they are insulted — everybody gets insulted, it is part of life and nobody has the right to not be insulted. And they incredibly sensitive — they get insulted over everything. What I say to that is “tough”.
gravenimage says
I agree, Proud Pork Fan. I don’t believe we are going to be able to change the mind of any committed Mohammedan, but we can certainly wake up good Infidels to the threat of Islam.
Myxlplik says
It’s like Pamela is speaking to a child. I’m astounded at the fact that this subject needs explaining in such a rudimentary fashion, and to one of our nations top journalists no less.
Amazing, embarrassing.
RG says
Somebody correct me, if I’m wrong – Isn’t Camerota formerly from Fox New???
RG says
Oops – Fox News….
mortimer says
Dear Ms Camerota,
Please read the Sira, the hadiths and the manual of Sharia. LEARN.
mortimer says
Yes! “Amazing, embarrassing” that our top journalists are so UNINFORMED about Islam and UNACQUAINTED with the most basic points of Sharia law.
If they were ACQUAINTED with the basics, they COULD NOT LEND ANY SUPPORT to this intolerant, misogynistic Death Cult.
Shame on the NEWS EDITORS who haven’t read the Koran or Sira or hadiths and all the JOURNALISTS they send to report on Islam without knowing the SOURCE TEXTS OF ISLAM!
Shame on the news industry!
Roderick MacUalraig says
That’s exactly what I thought. Pam thoroughly cleaned this woman’s clock. I wonder if she felt like a moron.
If someone beat me with a logic & rationality bat like that I sure would.
Ashley says
Bravo, Pam!
Alisyn Camerota…you flunked.
Joseph says
CNN’s Alisyn Camerota @ 12:39 says she is glad that CNN allows us to have this conversation.
WHO IS IN CHARGE HERE on what the public gets to hear? News that affects the lives of Americans should be unbiased. PERIOD!!! CNN is definitely picking sides and it is not the right one.
I also don’t like CNN’s flip flop on painting this event as a “Mohammed cartoon event” when in fact it really is all about the freedom of speech.
Hoekom Jy My Haat says
Well, what can we expect from CNN. They were the same media outlet who blamed cops who were formerly military for the violence in Baltimore during the Riots. What half-wits!
Lynn says
Last night Kelly Wright gave her time to explain as well. He asked great questions and then let her answer. Rush has been taking about this interview as well this morning. Allison should have done some reading before taking on an intellect like PG.
PRCS says
I watched Kelly Wright’s coverage of the event last night, and yes, he asked great questions and did allow her to answer.
But–and I think it’s either as it’s worded on the teleprompter or is a media protocol–he, like so many other journalists, used the phrase “the Prophet Muhammad” many times.
I sent a polite tweet to him, asking if he also uses the phrase “the Prophet Jesus”?
RG says
Wow! That would be a real eye-opener to Kelly Wright. He clearly claims to be a born-again Christian believer in Jesus. I hope he got your point. And to that point, I couldn’t agree more – we who know the truth of the Gospel should never use the phraseology of the followers of mohammed’s blood-cult! It’s just a cop-out to kowtow to the PC terminology used by liberals! That makes the demented followers of the religion of hate, ecstatic with glee!
P.S. We are by no means “INFIDELS”! Not now, not ever! WE ARE THE TRUE BELIEVERS AND FOLLOWERS of the REAL TRUE RELIGION OF PEACE!!!!!
Don McKellar says
Superb appearance by Pamela Geller. She cuts all the attempts to blur and distort her words to shreds. All those deceptive ambushes and conmen who has she has suffered in interviews has honed her ability to crystallize important points and score stunning victories for free speech and liberty against the oppression of Islam — on CNN of all places. Applause.
spot on says
Allyson didn’t have a chance against Pamela. Allyson doesn’t know what she is talking about on a good day and Pamela gave her a bad day since Pamela does know what she is talking about. Allyson should stick to interviewing bock writers, celebrities, and such.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
“Allyson should stick to interviewing bock writers, celebrities, and such.”
Sorry, what is a “bock writer”? An online search did not explain, and if “bock” is a mistyping for something else, I can’t figure out what.
spot on says
Sorry about the typo and your inconvenience. It should have been “book”.
Myxlplik says
I don’t think most people understand that these Muslims were enforcing Islamic religious cannon, standard doctrine.
Champ says
Brava, Pamela!!! You handled each question so well, and I agree word-4-word with your answers. God Bless You!
cs says
I love the way she says S-A-V-A-G-E-S.
spot on says
And savages they are.
spot on says
Champ, Pamela is unique, the camera loves her, and she is superb at what she does.
Champ says
True, Spot On!
And here’s a copy of Pamela’s ad that Alisyn criticized:
“In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat jihad.”
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Savage-and-civilized-man-ad.jpg
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Pamela is NOT making a general statement that all muslims are “savages”, as Alisyn alleges, so Alisyn needs to pay closer attention and let the ad speak for itself — and it states the TRUTH, unlike Alisyn.
Also, not all muslims are terrorists, but the vast *majority* of terrorists are muslims.
gravenimage says
True, Champ. Pam Geller is my hero!
cs says
Great job Pam.
cs says
Ow, and if muzzies are not happy they can Fxck back to Saudi Arabia, where they belong. They can breed camels and goats there.
Tony Davis says
Pamela that was hilariously cruel, keep it up!!!
nacazo says
Eric Allen Bell spelled it clearly: The tendency even of your most well meaning moderate liberal is to look at the world through a collectivist lens. So when I say Islam, they hear muslim. If I say I’m against Islam, they hear you’re against muslims. The tendency then is to identify with, protect, sympathize with whoever you perceive to be the minority, or the victim. So if I say I’m against the belief system of Islam, a collectivist is hearing that I’m against an individual. So they say you must be a hatemonger, a bigot, an islamophobe, and why not throw in right-winger. So what we have is a perceptive disability… so we have to explain that counter-jihad is about human rights.
BlueRaven says
Good one there – perceptive disability. Very true. I use to call it a perceptive distortaion. I think you are more on the ball than I was.
Xero_G says
You explained very nicely, what I’ve been noticing for quite a while; If someone is “anti-Islam” (the ideology) the left accuses them of bigotry/racism against Muslims (the persons). The New York Times today, described AFDI as an “anti-Muslim” group when they are more accurately described as anti-(radical) Islam or anti-Sharia.
EYESOPEN says
W/regard to Camerota, she is probably just doing the shilling for her employers. NONE of the enemedia in the U.S. have the fortitude to stand with Pamela and Robert (not to mention Geert Wilders). A pox on ALL of their (the enemedia) houses!
Hoekom Jy My Haat says
I welcome all immigrants to America. But, when you willingly come to our land you must learn to live by our norms and customs, and not expect us to submit to yours. Anyone who can live by the established cultural norms is welcomed here. If you can’t fit in in America, the land you willingly chose to come to, then may I suggest you go back to the cesspit of a homeland from whence you fled.
Seth says
What a slaughter. One almost feels sorry for the bubble-headed interviewer.
Gail Seals says
I believe CNN should send Alisyn Camerota to Iran to do a journalistic assignment titled “Daily Life Under Sharia”. Upon her return, (if she survives the year under Sharia) have this conversation with Geller again. Only then will Alisyn appreciate the importance of our rights to freedom of speech, and the rights granted our citizens under the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Jack Diamond says
“why, it sounds like you are attacking Islam not just extremists”… what would Islam have to do with jihad or shari’a or punishments for blasphemy? What would Islam have to do with Islam? What would Muslims have to do with Islam? What would Muhammad have to do with Islam? Obviously nothing. Where does know-nothing Alisyn Camerota think all these ideas are coming from? Does she really think most Muslims don’t believe “insulting” Muhammad should go unpunished? Does she think any believing Muslims actually reject jihad and shari’a as not part of Islam? Allah’s laws, Allah’s obligations? What does she think Islam is, exactly? She knows Islam because she thinks she knows some nice Muslims? She can talk about Islam on national television without a moments reading or study or contemplation? 14 years (and 25,000+ attacks) after 9/11?
Muslims are offended and will always be offended, all resistance to Islam offends them, all self-defense offends them, in fact, it is your very kaffir existence that offends them and there is only one cure for that.
Cicero says
Well commented. Jack Diamond,
Your observations are sharp ,precise and glittering in their lucidity!
More of the same please on future articles.
PRCS says
Myxlplik noted above:
“I don’t think most people understand that these Muslims were enforcing Islamic religious cannon, standard doctrine.”
That is an eagle-eyed observation, and the reason that most people do not understand that is exemplified in Geller’s otherwise noteworthy assault on Camerota’s ignorance.
When “reporters” and “journalists” label the actions of violent jihadists as those of “extremists”, they should be asked–on the spot–to provide theirdefinition of Muslim “extremism”.
How much more interesting–and educational for dear Allison–would this have been had she been asked to du just that the first time she referred to “extremism”.
The media, MSM and otherwise, parrot that “extremist/radical” nonsens because they are allowed to.
Myxlplik says
Certainly, the behavior in question was not extreme relative to the deeds and actions of the Prophet of Islam, Mohammed. I think the distinction many journalists miss is the line between all Muslims as people and Islam/Mohammed. You can point out aspects of the doctrine relative to behavior of Muslims without painting every person who calls themselves a Muslim. An opportunity missed in the debate, because the behavior was entirely in line with doctrine and deeds of Mohammed.
PRCS says
“the behavior was entirely in line with doctrine and deeds of Mohammed”
Pam Geller will be on that horrid Hannity program shortly.
I do hope that at his firs utterance of “radical” Islam, I hope she takes the opportunity to tell him there’s no such thing, and that there’s no “lite” version of Qur’an.
But I don’t think she will, and until he and other media “stars” are told the truth, they’ll continue to misinform their listeners/viewers.
mgoldberg says
The deflection continues by Camerota, and all the media, to the fact that such discussions are based on
demeaning ‘all muslims’ and are thus illegitmate.
I wonder if they would ask themselves this: how many germans killed Jews in the death camps. Perhaps one percent, and likely less of all Germans. The issue wasn’t and isn’t whether all Germans supported this, but rather what the ideology commanded.
Similarly, the issue wasn’t, and isn’t whether all muslims support Jihad, the question is whether or not the theology of Mohammed, and the Koran, and Islam is dominated by Jihad.
Jihad is the core teaching(s), and the Sharia is the law that disallows all others from asking any questions about whether this is in fact so. And that is the problem.
Leith Wood says
Thank you Pamela Geller for doing an outstanding job of standing up for free speech and explaining clearly the war we are in against sharia law in America and jihad. We need to be open, honest and willing to discuss the war or we shall lose our freedoms and our country. Politically correct thinking has caused great damage and makes no sense. Kelly Wright also did a very good job of asking good questions and listening to the answers. Finally, some fresh air! Thank you all.
revereridesagain says
Camerota didn’t know better than to try out her canned PC “Islamophobia” whine on a warrior like Pam who has just come off the battlefield. She should stick to fretting over whether the points of her trendy little hairdo match up perfectly.
Excellent point by nacazo in a comment above. Libero-Progressives view everything in terms of the group, Independently-minded persons fitting the parameters of a certain ethnic/religious/racial group don’t really count as individuals. So an attack on Islamic ideology = an attack on Muslims = an attack on “people of color” belonging to a predominantly “Third-World”, “disadvantaged”, “minority” (all 1.5 billion of them), victim of Western “imperialism” isn’t really an attack on an individual because no such entity can exist in that context. Therefore a true individual — such as Bosch Fawstin, who has rejected Islam and who won the “Draw Muhammad” contest — is of no account because he does not enjoy such status as part of a “protected minority”.
No wonder Leftists love Islam. Living with your mind in a rules cage is second nature to them.
WhatsUpDoc says
Ha ha, host says there is a fine line between freedom of speech. Its amazing only when it comes to Islam the line is crossed, Insult Christ and Christianity as much as you want and you are well with in the line.
Richie says
Thats because leftists detest Christianity
Islam_Is_Islam says
I just called my Senators (as suggested by Sam in another thread) and asked what they intend to do to protect my free speech against what happened in Garland, TX.
I suggested speaking to the Department of State regarding the onslaught of refugees and immigrants that the UN is foisting on local communities throughout the entire US (except WY–for now). This is something we can do while the “iron is hot.” Thanks to Sam for the idea.
TH says
The lefist media are so steepedin ideology that they cannot understand the basic difference betwen an ideology and people who may be muslims but do not necessarily know or want to practice all that the ideology tells them. Most of the Mafia are batpized Catholics, but one could never say that what they do is consistent with Catholicism.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Good job at rebutting the opinion inducing pro-Moslem “questions” from the “reporter” who tried like hell to get Geller to divide-by-two, and half agree on her use of the allegedly broad brush use of the accurate use of the word savages with the inevitable “It makes it sound as though”… follow on, yeah, it makes it sounds as though pointing out savagery must result in bigotry. I especially liked the part about whether it matters whether something is true, that bit is largely regarded as off-topic nowadays, so good stand on that.
This bleach blonde shouldn’t be using prefaces like “let’s face it” when she’s reluctant to face anything tough.
My only criticism: when the savagery thing came up, it would be far more effective to point out that Allah commands emulation of the Mohammed, and that the latter ordered contract murders, supervised a mass murder, and sold a few thousand women into sex slavery. *That* would jostle Infidels from their slumber, and overcome the somnoprop from opinion programmers like the bleach blonde news entertainer.
spot on says
Good point. What would MSM say if the Pope and the Catholic Church commanded their congregation to kill non believers and blasphemers. Talk about all hell breaking loose with the MSM?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The news entertainment community would be deeply disappointed if the Pope up and said such a thing. He’s already come out in favor of socialism to the world’s poverty ills, and more recently bought into the obvious scientific fraud of man-caused global warming so badly that Al and his Chicken Little grant money grubbing comrades were forced to rename the scam climate change.
Al got his Nobel Prize, just like President Barack Hussein got his Nobel Prize. If the Pope wants in on the club, he better stand pat and let the mass murder of Christians continue on unopposed, a policy with which President Hussein is quite comfortable.
Wellington says
Watching the entire thirteen minutes and forty-nine seconds of this video left with me two impressions above all. The first is how stalwart and brave Pamela Geller is. The second goes to what Geert Wilders said at this event whereby he did criticize Islam, all of it, for producing a lesser culture by far than has Western Civilization. Camerota attempted to drive this particular point home with Geller because of the assumption by Camerota that referring to Islamic culture as inferior is ipso facto evidence of bigotry. But it isn’t. It’s “merely” the truth.
Any attempt to deal with the gigantic burden which Islam has placed upon the entire world (and especially upon the West) which does not take into account that Islam is itself the problem is an attempt that will never succeed at stopping what Islam intends for all of us. As I have written before here at JW, the single most important development which must occur if freedom is to be maintained and Islam thwarted is that Islam, all of it, must be seen in the negative. Short of this only some tactical victories will occur for freedom’s cause, if even these.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
… how stalwart and brave Pamela Geller is.
And smart, too. She picked up on the usual tricks and bromides used by the opinion programming crowd, and sunk her teeth in real nice on the divide-by-two we’re all guilty let’s be more sensitive stunt pulled by the CNN hostess.
Wellington says
Agreed, APF. Geller is one of the great Americans of our time.
PRCS says
“must be seen in the negative”
When Camerota stated “your critics say you weren’t just going after, say, al Qaeda, or ISIS, or extremism, but even just Islam”, Geller should have challenged her, IMO, to define the “extremism” to which she thinks those critics are referring.
And wouldn’t it have been grand to see the expression on Camerota’s face upon being told that, yes, Geller is going after Islam–as it’s written–and that that extremism is really the attempt of truly devout, individual Muslims to actually fully comply with Qur’an and Sunn’ah.
I wonder what Camerota response would have been had she been reminded that when Jihad Johnny beheads some poor bastard the media reports the act as a twisting of Islam, or a perversion of it, but when our buds in Saudi Arabia do that in the public square after Friday prayers it’s called “a strict interpretation of Islamic law”.
Wellington says
Agreed, PRCS. Wilders accurately went after all of Islam, as he should have. Until it is seen that it is a phantom distinction between the terms “radical Islam” and “Islam,” the games will continue. What Wilders said reminds me of President Reagan’s Evil Empire Speech. What is truly needed is a new Evil Empire Speech. Once again, as long as any of Islam gets a pass, then to the extent it does, the corner of corners, which needs to be turned, will still remain unturned.
No stupid detente here. Call out Islam for what it plainly is. Make the difference between Western Civilization and Islam as stark as possible because sometimes starkness facilitates the perpetuation of the best that mankind has produced. No better example can I think of in all of man’s history than what mankind is confronted by today between the Western world and the Islamic world, two worlds that simply cannot co-exist with one another. Anyone averring otherwise is either a fool or a liar.
Western Canadian says
A fool or a liar, or a very foolish liar, or a very foolish liar in the pocket of the house of saud (prodnounced SOD).
I trust things are going well for you??
PRCS says
During the 2008 presidential elections, some knothead sent a video question to one of the Republican debates which asked–by thrusting a bible forward and sarcastically asking (I paraphrase), “What do you know about this?”. Or some such.
It would be quite interesting to ask–during both the primary and general elections–if someone were to do the same with a Qur’an.
Wellington says
Well enough, Western Canadian. Hope things are OK with you too in this very goofy world we live in.
Proud Pork Fan says
“Wilders accurately went after all of Islam, as he should have. Until it is seen that it is a phantom distinction between the terms “radical Islam” and “Islam,” the games will continue. What Wilders said reminds me of President Reagan’s Evil Empire Speech. What is truly needed is a new Evil Empire Speech. Once again, as long as any of Islam gets a pass, then to the extent it does, the corner of corners, which needs to be turned, will still remain unturned.
No stupid detente here. Call out Islam for what it plainly is. Make the difference between Western Civilization and Islam as stark as possible because sometimes starkness facilitates the perpetuation of the best that mankind has produced. No better example can I think of in all of man’s history than what mankind is confronted by today between the Western world and the Islamic world, two worlds that simply cannot co-exist with one another. Anyone averring otherwise is either a fool or a liar.”
I copied this entire comment, Wellington, because it is so spot-on and so important!!! You hit the nail right on the head!
The sick part about it is that is so f**king obvious that comparing Western Civilization to the Islamic world is like comparing black to white, or the ocean to the desert.
This false-distinction between “Islam” and “Radical Islam” is total BS and just a smoke-screen that blinds us to the OBVIOUS ugly reality staring us right in the face. Geert’s speech was brilliant in his rejecting of this false narrative and accurately describing the true monstrosity of Islam which is doing everything in its power to hide itself behind the proverbial curtain. It is time to stop playing games, and pull that curtain away.
Ricky Black says
I’m so glad everybody’s OK, That’s to close for comfort. Good job Pam \o/ People almost died and she wants to talk about what Greet wilders said, O My goodness, If people wanted to know what he said they would have been there. How I know why I don’t watch CNN
Richie says
Once again, the liberal media paints Muslims as victims
Bezelel says
1. Pamela is absolutely adorable. islam should feel honored that such a classy dame can so articulately spell out the issues that they need to address if they wish to be accepted by civilized people.
2. Geert only spoke the truth. (proof) Christians and Jews are not seeking immigration and/or asylum in muslim countries.
3.Libtards like camerota, I fear actually believe the B.S. that they are peddling.
Angemon says
Oh, for f***’s sake. I understand that a reporter striving to be impartial needs to play the devil’s advocate and try to present all angles. But Camerota went so above the line of duty that she comes across as partial.
“Oh, Wilders spoke of islam and not just about radical islam, therefore he’s a bigot”.
Nonsense. If he can back what he says about islam, if he can prove that what he’s saying is the truth then he’s not a bigot, he’s just speaking the truth.
“Do you know muslims? Are they good people? If so, how can you say and think this about islam?”
Hogwash. Islam is not what muslims do, islam is what islam says. If you’re going to go with “person X acts in such a fashion therefore ideology Y is such and such” then you have to take the bad with the good – you don’t get to choose, and you’ll conclude that ideology Y stands for everything and therefore stands for nothing.
Muslims Pamela knows may very well be the most wonderful people in the world, that won’t change the fact that islam has a doctrine mandating warfare against and subjugation of non-muslims. And how does that work with, for example, members of the islamic state? They’re muslims and they want to subjugate non-muslims. Why is saying “I know muslims, they’re wonderful people, therefore islam is good” an acceptable “logic” but saying “I know muslims, they want to kill me because of what islam orthodoxy teaches therefore islam is bad” isn’t?
“Oh, but when you say those nasty things about islam you’re painting all muslims with a broad brush”
Bullcrap. Islam is an ideology with a defined set of rules. Muslims are people who claim to follow islam. Ideology. People. See the difference?
Mike says
Islam is a Theocracy, Sharia law cannot exist with the US Constitution. Legally, Islam is unconstitutional.
Civilized man has always been in the minority.
voegelinian says
CNN’s Alisyn Camerota looks like a normal Westerner; is she a Dastardly Elite? She could easily be your nice, relatively decent and intelligent neighbor, coworker, employer, employee, niece, cousin, sister, daughter, mother. If she’s not a Dastardly Elite, is she a sheep who allows the Dastardly Elite to manipulate her and tell her what to think and that to say?
The answers to both of my rhetorical questions are, reasonably, No — indicating a much broader sociopolitical, sociocultural problem where there is no clear fault line between the Good Guys and the Bad Guys, nor between Us and Them, whereby so many nice, relatively decent and intelligent people all around us in the West seem prone to parrot & regurgitate a whole complex of memes that consistently underestimates and misunderstands the problem of Islam.
It’s not merely a matter of sheer ignorance of the data of the problem of Islam; that’s merely the negative side of the Problem of the Problem. It is also a matter of a constellation of memes by which any data about the problem of Islam is re-routed and re-interpreted in such a way as to end up always defending Islam, and always finding the fault to lie in non-Islamic factors (including Western malfeasance).
For more on that constellation of memes that constitute the PC MC (Politically Correct Multi-Culturalist) paradigm, the reader could do worse than to visit my blog and spend a few hours perusing around, starting anywhere — for example:
The Logic of PC MC
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-logic-of-pc-mc.html
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-logic-of-pc-mc.html
voegelinian says
(I don’t know why my link showed up duplicated there…)
BlueRaven says
If someone calls me a Islamophobe, I will call them Savages. Real factual term for these SOBs.
Proud Pork Fan says
Absolutely! That is one thing that impressed me with Geert’s speech — he doesn’t pull any punches or sugar-coat. The true reality is that they are savages and barbarians and I am so glad that Pamela used that word several times. Telling it like it is, as Pam, Robert and Geert do is the way to break through the political correctness and shock people with the plain reality. How can this woman defend that these people are not savages? She can’t and she didn’t even try, at that point she agreed with Pam. Pam did an absolutely stunning job and many of the points she made should be adopted by all of us to cut through the politically correct BS thrown at us.
mortimer says
No surprise that counterjihadist Geller wins other debate! Anyone informed about Islam can easily best any opponent in debate.
That’s why leading Muslims refuse to debate Geller and Spencer. They never convince the audience.
The facts support that Islam is a false, amoral Death Cult.
No one can defend Islam successfully against an informed counterjihadist.
Pam is a champion of freedom and civilization.
Bartender says
“Pam is a champion of freedom and civilization.”
I couldn’t agree more!
What got me is that Allison kept on saying “there is a fine line between free-speech and provocation”. Pam made the great point that cartoons are “provocation”? But was the “piss-christ” sculpture provocation? Aboslutely. PROVOCATION IS ALSO PROTECTED SPEECH.
Nothing warrants savage violence and when Allison is concerned about “provocation” what she is really saying is that they have a right to kill if “provoked”. If she is not saying that then what is her point? She wouldn’t even be bringing it up if it were not her point. If you are “provoked” by a cartoon you DO NOT have a right to kill. End of discussion.
Note that when ever they talk about crossing the line into “provocation” it is a code word for saying that the savages have a right to kill over it. In such a case Allison and her ilk are supporting the savage murderers.
Rob says
In my country we had the ‘virgin in Condom’ – it may have been seen elsewhere.
The literati/glitterati smiled at said ‘How original; ‘How daring’.
Are cartoons of Muhammad as bad?
Where is the interviewer on record as castigating Imams for abuse of Jews, or ‘honour’ violence?
As Ayaan Hirsi Ali said in her recent speech on BDS for israel – ‘Where is the BDS for Saudi or ISIS?’
Bartender says
Right-on Rob.
I want to clarify my point above on “the distinction between free-speech and provocation”. Who is to determine what is “provocation”?
Apparently the “piss-christ sculpture” was not provocation because nobody turned murderous over it. On the other hand, a simple cartoon of Mo killed several hundred people across the world in 2005. The Muslims are so phenomenally sensitive that many innocuous things are “provocation” to them that they are willing to kill over. Why? Because their perverted ideology and “prophet” (through his example) tell them it is not only “correct” to do so but a “duty”.
So is this ultra-sensitive trigger-happy group the ones who are allowed to define what is “provocation” and what is not for all of us? Not in our world!
Nycboy says
This was a wonderful interview. Pamela Geller is a very brave person. People are stupid, though, and use of the word savage will turn them off from her sound argument. It is a matter of style. The media and liberals are cowards who are afraid to align themselves with her and her cause, even though this should be a liberal cause. I would like to stress there are a tremendous amount of liberals who are on her side. I know because I am one. I would like to see more to bring them aboard.
Also, the interviewer says something about the fine line between free speech and provocation, I think. Not a fair implication since we can provoke. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is another matter entirely. When I heard that I thought how horrible to judge provocation by what the religion texts actually tells the adherents to do, rather than how our first amendment is within the context of our society. Like Pamela said there was Christ in urine. No murders.
Bukkdem Jizheads says
During his presidency, two plays and a book were written about assassinating GWB. He said nothing.
If we turned the tables, liberals would be howling for the carcasses of the authors… for provocative, racist speech and Obama would have them arrested… like the videographer Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, on some trumped-up charge. For all I know, he’s still in jail.
Chris says
The whole “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theatre” meme is way out of line. Opponents of free speech and their useful idiots cite it constantly, as if Oliver Wendell Holmes was above criticism. OWH used that line in 1917 to justify the internment, yep the imprisonment, of pacifist Hasidic Jews who were peacefully protesting the US’s involvement in WWI by handing out leaflets on a public street. They were convicted and imprisoned under the 1917 Espionage Act. The “fire in a crowded theatre” concept was used to uphold their conviction and imprisonment. Try that today, or at any time post-1968 and see where it gets ya. Except when it comes to criticism of bloody, goddamned Islam.
Cunamarra says
Alisyn Camerota represents and defends the anti-intellectual industry’s absurd position that if a supporter of a bad idea is not carrying out the bad idea, then the idea is not bad. Oskar Schindler saved the lives of people. Oskar Schindler was a member of the Nazi Party. Ms. Camerota, this does not mean that Nazi ideology teaches wonderful morals and to not kill human beings. Like Mein Kampf, the Koran explicitly reveals an ideology of warfare, brutality, and subjugation. It is there for all to read. Islam is an evil ideology. Not all Muslims have evil hearts but all Muslims need to take a hard and honest look at the evil ideology and character of the false prophet they are taught to revere. Take a hard look at the dystopic society Islam envisions.
voegelinian says
“…all Muslims need to take a hard and honest look at the evil ideology and character of the false prophet they are taught to revere. Take a hard look at the dystopic society Islam envisions.”
Sure, all Muslims need to; but it seems eminently reasonable to suppose that the vast majority of them won’t. Meanwhile, they will continue enabling in a variety of degrees the ideology that is undergoing a global revival and increasingly, if not metastatically, endangering all our lives.
See Thru says
This Allyson is a joke, instead of defending freedom of speech, she even pointing a fine line between freedom of speech and condoning vilolence that did this violent attack. What a shame, I used to admire cnn but with this kind of joirnalism, they should shut down their nerwork.
See No Nazis says
Ali Syn could dye her hair black and it would look like a hijab. Pamela has missed none of the lessons of WWI or II. Wish I cpould say the same about the Germans, British, French or Americans.
Peggy says
Pam is right, why haven’t they tried to interview the very people who are prepared to kill in order to shut her up? Why make the victim explain herself and justify her right to free speech?
How can they say that violence has nothing to do with Islam when Sharia is full of violence and it COMES FROM ISLAM?
I would love one of the savages to explain that to me.
Isabella says
HI PEGGY!
I cannot agree more with you.
R. K. MacUalraig says
I agree, Peggy. And I don’t think Camerota responded to that point did she?
PRCS says
“I would love one of the savages to explain that to me”
Anjem Choudary has been interviewed by Western “journalists” and talking heads many times.
But the MSM has conditioned the audience–by and large–to believe that “extremists”, “radicals”, and “radical Islamists” (as if everyday, run of the mill Islamists aren’t a problem)– have twisted and perverted the teachings of “a peaceful religion”.
In a morning Fox News program today, another generally intelligent and smart person again argued with Geller about her tactic.
Unfortunately, Geller (and many others) have not seen fit to challenge television “personalities” to define “radicalization” and “extremism”; clueless “stars” who will continue to do so until challenged with the facts.
Plutarchus7 says
HOW DARE PAM GELLER
and AFDI defy President Obama’s Moslem Outreach Initiative and slander
thousands of times over (since his US/Islam reconciliation speech in Cairo) the lawless, immoral, murdering, torturing, rapping, looting, pedophile, Jew-hating Prophet of Islam. This hate driven woman is truly despicable, and is ruining things for the President while angering millions of Moslems who regard the Prophet as higher than the angels and the closest creature to God./sarc
http://www.apollospeaks.com
Ashley says
When Alisyn Camerota makes the mistake of ordering a pulled pork sandwich during Ramadan in the “wrong” part of town, she may have a deeper sense of Pamela’s courage.
Roderick MacUalraig says
Lol!
Thomas says
Those Selma marchers in 1960’s were real trouble makers, just like Robert and Pam.
Shame on all of you for wanting your Constitutional Rights!
You all were the real cause for all the violence!
DRHazard says
Amazing. People kill in the name of religion and if you mention the very same sources the murderers use to justify their killing you’re accused of hating on Muslims. Who is treating Muslims like unruly, hateful children? It’s the people who think they have to protect them. How arrogant. They don’t treat any other group with the same deference.
Sarah says
Well said. I have heard it described as the apologists are committing the “bigotry of low expectations”.
What a freaking nightmare this whole thing is. Here we have a religion that is different from all the others in that the “holy” texts prescribe violent conquest of all non-believers, and we have billions of people who have been brainwashed into believing it. Then we have everybody trying to say the the prescription for violence is not inherent in the doctrine of Islam. But the plain reality is that it is clearly and obviously in there. And everybody’s denial of the violent prescriptions in the Koran and Hadith is causing the violent Islamic ideology to go unopposed and unchecked. That is greatly increasing the risk to all of us and acting as a boon to the spread of the monstrous ideology. As Pam said in her interview, jihad is raging across the world and rapidly growing.
Neil Jennison says
Pamela Geller should be canonised when she dies………as should Robert Spencer.
Cathy says
The problem is with Islam. How do we distinguish between peaceful Muslims and extremist? Sharia Law. These Muslims that in the Sharia Law and want Sharia are the Extremist. Sharia Law is what forbids free speech, killing of Jews, Christians, Homosexuals, believe in Honor Killings. Since Islam is a religion and also their Law it is hard to defend one kind of Muslim since they intertwine. It be better if Moderate Muslims had a way to distinguish themselves from the Islamist Extremist. If they are all under one umbrella there is no way to tell who is for and who is against Sharia Law. Of course the Muslims that want to ban free speech and is always offended by our Flag, our Freedom and our culture, are Muslims that believe in Sharia. Now do we let these Extremist lead our Government, use fear, intimidation to control our Freedom. It is only those EXTREMIST who want to use the term Islamophobia, threaten us with violence, and want to push their ideology on us are the Extremist. If there are peace loving Muslims then take a stand and depart from the all those violent Islamist Extremist. This is the only way to fight for our Freedom.
Sarah says
“It is only those EXTREMIST who want to use the term Islamophobia, threaten us with violence, and want to push their ideology on us are the Extremist. If there are peace loving Muslims then take a stand and depart from the all those violent Islamist Extremist.”
The problem is that it is all mixed in there together. There are probably “peace-loving” Muslims who still want to impose Islam on us if not violently.
But the biggest problem is that Islamists are like the f**king Mafia. And they often threaten to kill “peace-loving” Muslims when they “take a stand” as you say. I recall a story where a moderate Imam in France has to have 24/7 security do to threats from the less moderate Muslims. They get their power the same way the Mafia gets theirs — through violence and threats there of. And both groups use that violence in an attempt to squash criticism. That is why we must stand up to them.
Gerald says
The simple answer is there is no way you can distinguish between a peaceful muslim and one who is about to go bersek. That is why you can never have a conversation on the merits or demerits of the muslim religion with a muslim. It is like a guy who is holding in his hand a grenade without the safety pin.
Scott Davis says
Congratulations to Pamela Geller on a great interview on CNN and persevering in the face of politically correct ignorance. I do have one recommendation to add one small sound bite that would show how absurd the oft-repeated claim that “this is not normal Islam, this is extremism”. And attack the offense taken when someone points out that Islam has no sense of humor.
Muhammad is considered the “perfect example of man”m and what he said and did define how Muslims should conduct themselves.
There was a poet in Muhammad’s time who dared to make fun of Muslim Women. That so offended Muhammad that he asked his disciples to kill the poet.
One of them accepted this mission, and when he returned to Muhammad with the poet’s severed head, Muhammad responded with a loud “Allahu Akbar”.
BigRob says
What happened to Alisyn Camerota? She used to be normal as a host on Fox News.
makarios says
jihad is holy war is the pillar of islam mohamed himself was a jihadist ,Koran calls for violence nobody should say islam is not supporting violence without quoting the sward verses
Julia says
What’s wrong with saying you don’t like Islam? Are we supposed to love all ideas? I don’t like Islam, not at all, and I’m not afraid of people thinking I’m a “bad person” for saying so. I’d go on the news and say it! I think Pam Geller should have said it. Saying that you don’t like a belief system is not the same thing as saying you don’t like the people that follow it. I think Muslims are misguided, but I don’t particularly dislike them. I think the world would be a far more peaceful place if there was no such thing as Islam. I know it would be, and that’s why I don’t like Islam. The Koran and Hadiths are the inspiration of too much violence and oppression. Everybody knows this, why can’t we just say it?
gravenimage says
Video: Geller vs. Camerota: Free speech warrior bests advocate of Sharia submission
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Bravo, Pamela Geller. I am in awe of the bravery of this woman, in the face of both Muslim threats and violence and aggressive dhimmi apologia.
Fritz kohlhaas says
Camerota doesn’t get it! She is so dense and thick!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Camerota is a tool and I’m glad she’s the heck out of Fox. She’s so much happier with the dhimmis at CNN.
David, Thailand says
Bravo, Pam, but pissing in the wind as usual.
Truth has become a hate crime, in a mad world going proudly madder. Our future generations are being sold down the river by cowardly liberals concealing their fear of reality behind ‘civilised’ values.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
David, not ‘pissing in the wind as usual’. Or rather, vis a vis Alyson and CNN, yes. But not vis a vis the wider audience, i.e., the American people.
I think this highlights the conflict between the ‘slimes and the speech more. Just as the recent Hillary email disaster has gotten the Left criticizing her? In like manner, this.
Anna D says
Ms. Geller is right and that’s the truth. Islam is not a religion; it is an ideology of conquest. Until we get that, its barbarity will continue.
Sweetness says
ideology. people.
recipe. baker.
song. musician.
sport. athlete.
drink. drinker.
play. actor.
math. mathematician.
communism. russian. cuban. vietnamese. korean. Laotian. chinese.
One is Not the Same As the Other.
JamesonRocks says
As usual, CNN = Chicken Noodle Network…
Baucent says
Pamela is impressive. She effectively and forcefully got her message across and that CNN woman looked completely out of her depth.
daren says
Thankyou ThankyouThankyou Ms. HELLER. We must stand up to this historic savagery perpetrated by this satanic religion of peace or we will fall as a world of civilized people.Wake up and open our eyes and ears! Watching this video, I recalled the assassination of Rabbi Kahani by a follower of Islime while while he was speaking in NYC many years ago ..
Loach says
Well done Pamela you can really can stand up for what you believe and talk here down . She is so right the victims of the gun attack are the ones being hounded and not the Muslim gun man. I don’t see any of the Muslim leaders on any of the news channels condemning the gun man but rather the right for American free speech. Such an exhibition could not be held in Europe because the army or the police would stop it for security reasons while the left would stop it too and stand with the Jihads .
EUCLID says
Anyone with half an ounce of brain would see the incredible stupidity and arrogance of that presenter and the sheer lack of knowledge of Islam. She got totally grilled by Pamela’s knowledgeable and concise arguments, which as with all lefties resort to lies, false accusations and rudeness. That is what they always do when they cannot give a counterargument. In that respect this interview as watched by the general public will have swayed many people into reinterpreting their views on Islam. And for that we have to thank Pamela.
Screeminmeeme says
The usual attack-the-messenger approach….and this messenger was one not to be messed with. Fantastic job, Pam
If there was a religious group that considered women chattel who should be covered in public, I wonder if Camerota would be willing to appease them and comply with their need to not be offended by the sight of her. Oh wait………such a group exists and they attacked the people at the Garland meeting.
Allison…..get out your burka.
Mike Holt, CEO RestoreAustralia says
Any patriot who is called names by these so-called journalists can turn this around. If we are called right wing races, bigots, haters, etc….we can do the same.
I have pointed out to quite a few journalists that if I am a right wing bigot, they must be LEFT WING ISLAM-APPEASING TRAITORS TO AUSTRALIAN VALUES. (Put in your own country to suit 🙂 )
Journalists often end by asking if you have anything to say. I always ask them, “Are you an Australian” – Yes
“Do you support our laws?” – Yes
“Do you love our way of life?” – Yes…..
Then remember that when you write your story (or your report). Remember that you are an Australian and support Australia….not islam. Islam is totally opposed to everything you and I stand for.
They can’t refute that. It makes them think. And it makes them realize that we are not the enemy…they are one of us. That’s what we need to do first, isn’t it? Get them thinking about being Australian and they might actually report the truth.
particolor says
The Truth in our Press ? 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Peggy says
I couldn’t help but to share this story. I know it has little to do with this article but it has all to do with Islam.
Islam forbids women to go to school which in turn makes it impossible for any woman to become a doctor.
One of our hospitals has just changed their rules to appease Muslims once again. As a public patient you don’t have a choice of a doctor but it seems that if you are a Muslim woman you have. They are trying to spin it and say that now all women and men will have a choice but it was a Muslim woman who complained and the rules were changed. Not only did she complain but the matter was “settled” which we can take for money was exchanged before a court case was to take place.
http://www.9news.com.au/health/2015/05/06/04/56/melbourne-hospital-agrees-to-female-only-doctor-requests
What happens next time when there is an emergency and only male doctors on duty in casualty? Call a female doctor in?
particolor says
The truth in our Press ? 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
ken says
Pamela, my hero. Go girl………….