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“Why Won’t Pamela Geller Shut Up?”

May 7, 2015 1:39 pm By Robert Spencer

GellerCamerota-800x323Here is a useful summary piece on the hypocrisy of the mainstream media in blaming Pamela Geller for the jihad attack on our Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest. “Why Won’t Pamela Geller Shut Up?,” by Rich Lowry, Politico, May 6, 2015:

How dare Pamela Geller get targeted by terrorists bent on committing mass murder.

That’s been the reaction of a portion of the opinion elite to news that Geller’s “draw Muhammad” contest in Garland, Texas, was (unsuccessfully) assaulted by two heavily armed Muslim men in an attack the Islamic State took responsibility for.

The Washington Post ran an article on Geller headlined, “Event organizer offers no apology after thwarted attack in Texas.”

News that the Post has yet to break about other terrorist targets: “Malala Yousafzai refuses to admit fault for seeking an education”; “Coptic Christians won’t concede error for worshiping wrong God”; “Unrepentant Shiites continue to disagree with Sunnis.”

Yes, these are more sympathetic cases, but it is no more legitimate to shoot someone for drawing Muhammad, than it is to shoot a girl for going to school, or a Copt or a Shia for his or her faith. Expecting apologies from these victims would be almost as perverse as expecting one from Pamela Geller.

Respectable opinion can’t bear the idea that she has become a symbol of free speech, which once upon a time was — and still is, when convenient — one of the highest values of the media and the left.

If Geller were a groundbreaking pornographer like the loathsome Larry Flynt, someone would already be planning a celebratory biopic of her life. If she were a gadfly sticking it to a major Western religion rather than to Islam, she might be considered more socially acceptable.

Instead, her provocations are deemed almost as shameful as the intentions of the men who wanted to kill her and her cohorts.

To say the reaction to Garland has been confused is charitable. On “Hardball,” NBC terrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann descended into a morass of contradictory clichés when discussing Garland. He said Geller and her ilk are “trying to provoke a response from the Muslim community, and unfortunately, this was predictable.”

Then he maintained that the ensuing inevitable attack from the sorely provoked Muslim community had “nothing to do with Islam.” The perpetrators and supporters of the attack would beg to differ, but what do they know? They aren’t terrorism analysts on a broadcast TV network.

Linda Stasi wrote a column for the New York Daily News titled, “With Pamela Geller’s Prophet Muhammad cartoon stunt in Texas, hate rears its ugly face again.” The hatred referred to wasn’t that of the attackers who wanted to murder people for attending an uncongenial art contest but of Geller.

In perhaps the most obtuse and least grammatical sentiment committed to print in the aftermath of Garland, Stasi argued that “Geller, like ISIS and al Qaeda, revel [sic] in hate…”

This is a little like saying that the Finns and the Red Army both reveled in shooting guns during the Winter War, without taking account of who invaded and occupied whom. Geller holds events and writes blog posts deemed offensive by many, all of which are fully protected by our laws. ISIL beheads people and blows them up, all of which is criminal by any civilized standard.

“While we have freedom of speech,” Stasi continued, “we also have freedom of religion, which shouldn’t be impinged upon.” This is both a truism and a non sequitur: Tasteless speech doesn’t impinge upon anyone’s freedom of conscience or religion. The glory of the First Amendment is that it guarantees freedom of both speech and worship.

Taking a similar tack in a piece on CNN’s website, Haroon Moghul said Geller is “using one democratic value to subvert other democratic values,” namely by polarizing America and alienating Muslims.

Yet scurrilous, scatological and, yes, hateful speech and cartoons — many of them involving religion — have featured in Anglo-American history going back centuries. They are part of the warp and woof of a free society. In this context, a drawing of Muhammad is mild.

The only reason it seems different is that there is a small class of Muslim radicals willing to kill over it. Which is exactly why Pamela Geller’s event wasn’t purposeless.

The event was placing a stake in contested ground, in a way it wouldn’t have if it had offended Quakers or Roman Catholics, who don’t massacre people who insult them. It was a statement of defiance, of an unwillingness to abide by the rules of fanatics.

“I feel that sometimes Muslims in America have become the last group in which public officials, organizations and others are allowed to publicly demean, ridicule this group, in ways we don’t do it with other groups per se,” NBC reporter Ayman Mohyeldin opined the other day.

What country does he live in? The new atheists merrily deride Christianity with no worries for their health or safety. Meanwhile, cartoonists who draw Muhammad have to go into hiding. Even the otherwise fearless “South Park” has had to back off, because no one wants to get threatened or killed.

For better or worse, we live in a society in which nothing is sacred. If we are to accept the assassin’s veto, the only exception (for now) will be depictions of Muhammad, which would be perverse. A free society can’t let the parameters of its speech be set by murderous extremists.

Give her this: Pamela Geller understands that, whereas her scolds don’t. Some of them can’t even tell the difference between her and her would-be killers.

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  1. Don McKellar says

    May 7, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    NBC reporter Ayman Mohyeldin is doing it yet again, the nauseous fake victim card, completely ignoring and putting aside any facts. Somehow, Muslims are the victim here. Through some bizarre topsy-turvy backwards mirror, it is Muslims who are being picked on and ONLY Muslims. How damn ridiculous is that? Yet they keep on with the deception, the nonsense. There are still idiots out there who’ll buy it, so they keep dishing it out.

    • miriamrove says

      May 7, 2015 at 2:50 pm

      Test

    • jihad3tracker says

      May 7, 2015 at 3:06 pm

      Hello Don — Forgive me for parachuting in here, but PLEASE EVERYONE CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW :

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/opinion/free-speech-vs-hate-speech.html?_r=0

      A PERFECT LEFTIST MEDIA SMEAR & PERHAPS ACTUAL DEFAMATION OR LIBEL IN SOME ITS ASSERTIONS from (who else ???) the New York Times.

      If you only have time to write one pushback “letter-to-the-editor” make it in response to this barrel of sewage.

    • Georg says

      May 7, 2015 at 3:07 pm

      I love how creating an unsavory image of Muhammad is hateful, but verses in the Koran calling for trees and rocks to assist in Jewish genocide draw no ire at all from the MSM. Gee, I wonder how this oversight occurs. What a bunch of bigots. I’m never able to adequately express what unconscionable cowards and morons I consider many leftists to be, and I grew up generally considering myself to be liberal. I know I drone about this probably too much for most people’s tastes, and I hate to bring it up as it’s redolent of the Islamits’ diversionary mantra, but it is simply racist– skin color is trumping ideology in the auditing of morality, just as MLK would loathe, which of course apparently is of no importance to televised liberals.

      Moral inversion, indeed.

      • Georg says

        May 7, 2015 at 3:15 pm

        Actually I think the anti-Semitic rocks and trees are from a Hadith– BOY am I mistaken!

        • Artie Galvin says

          May 7, 2015 at 6:43 pm

          It doesn’t matter, Georg. The hadiths are viewed as legitimate as the koran. It is all the most “ungodly” tripe ever written.

    • jayell says

      May 7, 2015 at 3:24 pm

      But musiims are ALWAYS the ‘victims’, even when they’ve patently behaved like the worst neo-nazi thugs imaginable. The amusing bit is seeing the kind of twisted logic, irrelevant garbage or plain paranoid nonsense they come up with to justify their highly-contrived contentions of righteous moral purity, wounded innocence, ‘hurt feelings’ or dastardly provocation – or whatever excuse might be convenient. Their inventive powers of inverted logic can really astound the intellect either through some kind of original deliberate (or just plain intellectually incompetent) mis-match or piece of misinformation in the chain of an argument, or can be extremely irritating when a well-worn and predictable line of sophistry or inaccuracy is plugged yet again..and again. In the end they rely on a suspension of basic critical faculties in the listener aided by a demeanour of aggressive arrogance on their part in order to give their insufferably antediluvain bigotry some credence; and the trouble is that too many supine Western apologists actually fall for it!

      • Georg says

        May 7, 2015 at 3:51 pm

        Your post is filled with excellence. Watching the artful shamelessness is certainly a bit of a guilty pleasure. I’d never seen or conceived of anything like it.

      • Wellington says

        May 7, 2015 at 6:30 pm

        You put it the long way, jayell, and you put it well. I’ll here put it the short way as I have before at JW. I call what you described in detail “Muslimthink.”

    • Loretta Pienaar says

      May 7, 2015 at 3:58 pm

      Idiots there are. Weaklings there are. But we are also millions who stand against Islam, the Evil. The true American who remembers his forefathers and the true history of the U.S. must get up off their knees and stand strong against Islam – and I simply have to add, God bless you with the removal of the traitor, Hussein Obummer.

  2. Ren says

    May 7, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    Those journalists who speak against Pamela regarding her fight to freedom of speech submit themselves to sharia law therefore embracing the ideology of islam. They are dhimmis or converts!

    • Paul says

      May 7, 2015 at 4:34 pm

      And they don’t even know it

  3. Jovial Joe says

    May 7, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    A magnificent shaming piece of the sharia compliant media. Even Cenk Uygur from YouTube’s Young Turks released a video offering grudging support to Geller after an original video that sought to blame her for the attack. On the whole Robert I think you and Pamela are slowly winning the argument.

    • Georg says

      May 7, 2015 at 3:20 pm

      If Muslim radical behavior was coming from Mormons it’d be universally condemned, I can’t imagine why…

      • Raja says

        May 8, 2015 at 8:11 am

        Georg,

        This means that the Islamists’ radical behavior is more acceptable than any other!!!!

        Are they believing that Islam is a religion of hate and violence? But why being apologetic about Islam “Islam is a religion of peace”? Why this shameless contradiction? Take them to court for misguidance, fraud on public etc if it is really possible..

  4. Jaladhi says

    May 7, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    >”The only reason it seems different is that there is a small class of Muslim radicals willing to kill over it. Which is exactly why Pamela Geller’s event wasn’t purposeless.”

    Some “small class of Muslim radicals willing to kill over it” – it is really a “tiny minority” of Muslims who are flooding this planet – what a joke of self delusion and deception!!

    • Don McKellar says

      May 7, 2015 at 2:24 pm

      Actually it would be a correct statement to say “small class of DEVOUT Muslims willing to kill over it”. Most Muslims aren’t devout enough to follow their religion as rigorously as it demands because it means you destroy your life and become a criminal by any modern societal definition.

      • Jaladhi says

        May 7, 2015 at 2:56 pm

        It only takes them a nanosecond to become a “devout” Muslim who will carry out jihadi acts. This we have seen from so many jihadi doctors and engineers who have attacked and killed for their religion and many are serving the present ISIS for the cause. So then the whole Muslim world becomes devout when there is a call from Mo/allah!! Thus the “tiny minority” of devout encompasses the entire 1.6 billion or whatever the present number is!!

  5. RRichey says

    May 7, 2015 at 1:59 pm

    People – It is not wrong to speak up against a destructive religious/political/cultural group that persecutes minorities, christians, jews, gays, women in every country where it has a political majority and is prone to violence to try to implement that in pluralistic communities elsewhere.

    Question – Was the 9/11 attacks the leading cause of “Islamaphobia” in US today?

    • Medina says

      May 7, 2015 at 6:33 pm

      9/11 only confirmed my worse fears regarding the unchecked cult of Islam. I was brought up in a pre Vatican II family with Jewish ancestry.

  6. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    May 7, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    The critic logic chain is this: free speech is good, but must be tempered with decency. Speech that insults, provokes or profanes for the sake of it with no apparent purpose is legal, but not good. Geller’s contest showed drawings that are profane and insulting, and inevitably provocative because the Islam belief system forbids drawings of the Prophet Mohammed, among other things. The cartoon contest was a publicity stunt that caused the felonious episode in Garland.

    The rebuttal logic chain is this: The cartoon contest was made necessary by thousands of instances of self-censorship in Western countries to comply with demands of the Islam belief system. People have even been prosecuted for making factually accurate statements about Islam. The cartoons were not profane or insulting because the Prophet Mohammed was a murderer, a mass murderer, a thief, a pedophile, and a sex slaver. These are facts that Islam itself acknowledges and demands not be publicly discussed. The two would be mass murderers who died in Garland were provoked by their belief system, which holds no lawful weight in the United States.

    ***

    The self-congratulatory, pompous, obdurate, phony, ignorant and fact free performance put on national TV the other night by Bill O’Reilly and Laura Ingraham represents a severe and dangerous problem that will make for terrible problems in the near future, a problem much bigger than a lawful cartoon contest attacked by two gunmen.

    • Wellington says

      May 7, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      Well reasoned, APF. As for O’Reilly and Ingraham, any respect I had for them is gone. Both are, at best, only luke-warm supporters of the First Amendment and luke-warm support of liberty should never be relied upon.

    • Jaladhi says

      May 7, 2015 at 2:22 pm

      I think both O’Reilly and Ingram showed their total ignorance of Islam/Muslims and Muslims and were competing with their PC infected liberal counterparts in Muslim appeasement!!

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        May 7, 2015 at 2:38 pm

        Or they *do* know the score, but don’t wanna die or end up in a wheelchair for life or have acid burns across their faces.

        Maybe they’re smarter than we give them credit for. Maybe they realize that their personal well being trumps the need for them as news entertainers to dip into the squalor of the Counterjihad, which is to say, the squalor of the very unpleasant and mightily unsettling Truth.

        Maybe.

        • spot on says

          May 7, 2015 at 2:48 pm

          Their reasoning is flawed. I believe a lot of them are afraid and making excuses which again shows that intimidation works.

      • Belle says

        May 7, 2015 at 6:33 pm

        Mr. O’Reilly and Ms. Ingraham obviously lack basic understanding of what is contained in the Islamic texts. Ms. Ingraham admitted her lack of knowledge this morning while speaking to guest Dr. John Zmirak, senior editor of The Stream.

        After Dr. Zmirak answered a question about the Garland, Texas incident by reading a couple of surahs regarding violence against unbelievers, Ms. Ingraham said she did not want to get into that. She explained her reluctance by stating that she did not know what Islam is or what Islam isn’t. Ms. Ingraham went on to say that Islam is not her area of expertise.

        As for Mr. O’Reilly, I think he demonstrates his ignorance in the following clip.

        http://www.mofopolitics.com/2015/01/18/bill-oreilly-i-dont-believe-the-prophet-mohammed-wanted-to-impose-islam-on-everybody/

        Mr. Spencer, if links are not allowed on your site I apologize.

        Thanks

        • Always On Watch says

          May 7, 2015 at 6:51 pm

          How can Bill O’Reilly and Laura Ingraham, two supposedly-education people be so mind-numbingly ignorant? Sheesh.

        • nacazo says

          May 8, 2015 at 2:21 am

          Wow! That’s unconscionable of Ms Ingraham. It’s as if during WWII we had say, we don;t want to get into that. We don’t know what nazism is or what nazism isn’t. And we don;t want to know.

  7. Wellington says

    May 7, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    Imagine if Mormons threatened to use force to shut down production of the satirical play, The Book of Mormon. Not one of these critics of Pamela Geller, not one, would blame the producers and actors whatsoever, nor would they ever refer to them as “extremists.” 100% of the blame would be put on Mormons. Ditto for any satire of Christianity, whether in film, on the stage, in an art museum, etc., were Christians to threaten violence.

    Once again can be seen that Islam gets special status. Once again can be seen the double standard. Once again can be seen the rank hypocrisy of Pamela Geller’s stupid and pusillanimous critics.

    As Mark Levin said last night on Sean Hannity’s show, people were having a cartoon contest and guys showed up to kill them—-end of story, all the blame on the intended killers.

    • Holy Prophet APF says

      May 7, 2015 at 2:19 pm

      Imagine if Mormons threatened to use force to shut down production of the satirical play, The Book of Mormon.

      Imagine if the creators of the play also had a highly successful satirical TV cartoon show, and its network received harsh criticism and even thinly veiled threats warning against insulting the Prophet Mohammed. What would happen then, would the network cancel the show, or pressure the creators to lay off of satire about the Prophet? And, if they did the latter, would the creators fold under the pressure?

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        May 7, 2015 at 2:33 pm

        Yes, the cartoon show’s bold creators would fold under the pressure from the TV network. And that would then mean that Geller’s cartoon contest *was* necessary. Good question, though.

        • CGW says

          May 7, 2015 at 8:05 pm

          Little case of “split personality” there, Shaun? 😉

  8. Walter Sieruk says

    May 7, 2015 at 2:26 pm

    As for the question of “Why won’t Pamela Geller shut up ?” The answer is is clear. It’s that she is a brave and courageous women who has much conviction and fortitude. This grand character trait is so well explained about by none other then Thomas Jefferson . For Mr. Jefferson stated “A conviction that we are in the right accomplishes half the difficultly of correction wrong” and ” Fortitude…. teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them.” Furthermore. the other wise statement he said may ,very much apply here . For >Mr. Jefferson also declared . “Our part then is to pursue with steadiness what is right…assured that the public approbation will in the end be with us.”

  9. Neil Jennison says

    May 7, 2015 at 2:40 pm

    One could argue that the competition was a good thing simply because it resulted in two fewer crazed, Islamic nutters in the world, prepared to kill for the deranged ramblings of an ancient, vicious warlord and brigand.

    • Wellington says

      May 7, 2015 at 4:33 pm

      Agreed. After all, the only good Islamic terrorist is a dead Islamic terrorist.

  10. Papa Whiskey says

    May 7, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    “Linda Stasi wrote a column for the New York Daily News titled, “With Pamela Geller’s Prophet Muhammad cartoon stunt in Texas, hate rears its ugly face again.”

    Linda Stasi? Like the now-defunct East German spy agency? What a fantastically perfect name!

  11. Marty says

    May 7, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    Ms. Geller, Mr. Spencer, and Mr. Wilders all have courage. Most of the electronic media is cowardly and morally corrupt. The only hate here is the type demonstrated by the cowardly and sociopathic jihadis.

  12. I Iat says

    May 7, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    https://youtu.be/ZvkRysaZ_EE

    http://www.answeringmuslims.com/

    The fine line debate?

    The line has already been defined long ago. It is where a victim of “free speech” can prove in open court he/she suffered real personal damage: for instance financial loss, reputation damage, psychological pain (in the case of a bullied child and responsible adults failed to intervene for example) etc.
    This “free speech” is called slander if i am not mistaken and is a punishable offence.

    In the case of muslims being offended by free speech from Pamala Geller, Robert Spencer, David Wood and many others the psycho-pain is real as i explain on my website http://members.ziggo.nl/iiat/ . However i dare our muslim, CAIR, jihading friends to call me as an expert witness in open court (a court in the still free world of course). I testify the pain is real and provide the court with arguments.

    I don’t think they will dare to do that because they fear my testimony might backfire. Who conditioned children, using innate fear reflexes like the fear of abandonment, in the first place?

    I must admit the jihadist tactics are working. I am scared and hide behind my warlike shield https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 .

    However when the possible gain is worth the risk i will stick my neck out (pardon my dutch).

    Greetings from the netherlands,

    I Iat

    • nacazo says

      May 8, 2015 at 2:29 am

      I think that;s in the Netherlands. In the USA, the First Ammendment protects speech and there’s a high threshold for slander. I’m no expert but I think for public figures is almost impossible to prove. They have to demonstrate malicious intent or something,

  13. Georg says

    May 7, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    I think the underlying question to much of this is “Why is religion above critique?” The notion that religion must be respected is not a view everyone holds, and nor does the constitution demand it; this is the false premise many leftists take as a starter concerning Islam [but no other religion for racist reasons I’ve unpopularly implored a recognition of]. Religion will not and should not be above criticism. As people hold to it like they do nothing else, it ought to be especially criticized, and no religion I’m aware of deserves more criticism than the hateful ridiculousness piled up in the Koran.

    Nobody must respect what’s in the Koran just as nobody must like Wheaties or the color green. I don’t have to like WIRED magazine. I pick up the Koran and see a pile of jerkishness suspiciously tailored to the predilections of an anti-Semitic male desert marauder from the 7th century. I only share one of those traits, and guess what? The text is stupid and severely offensive to me. Stupid and evil, and I will say so because it would be dangerous not to.

    • nacazo says

      May 8, 2015 at 3:39 am

      I think they call it the bigotry of low expectations. The media elite is so bigoted that they think muslims cannot be civilized and cannot survive if something offends them, Therefore, they need to protect them form the people that may offend them. What the elite media doesn’t realize is that they will eventually also offend them for something so if drawing a cartoon violates a sharia rule, reporters sooner or later will also violate some sharia rule and by their own behaviors, they should stop all reporting that doesn’t paint islam in glowing terms. Reporters should then stop existing so as not to offend some muslim!

      • Georg says

        May 8, 2015 at 7:29 am

        I think your line of reasoning is exactly correct. If it’s not the cartoons it’s some movie, if not that, some article. If not those, some group or individual. Ed Miliband, in the UK, was attempting to pile drive through legislation making Islamophobia a crime unto itself despite the fact that hate crime laws are just as associated with Islam as they are with any other religion. As you say, it puts us all on the sharia track.

  14. Paul says

    May 7, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    Test

  15. Victor Redlick says

    May 7, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    A very surprising and surely unexpected consequence of Pamela Geller’s most righteously intended action – in Garland, Texas – involving the Mohammed drawings exhibit, has interestingly evolved into an exponential FOX TV thing of its own. Besides garnering worldwide attention of an A-list nature, she collaterally brought a bitter and stark awareness pill for everyone to swallow. Pamela’s yelling at the top of her lungs about the colossal infringement that is heretofore being placed on the US Constitution’s First Amendment, and it falls on diverse sets of deaf ears. The thank yous, however, that she does tend to receive are in the form of seditious accusations for being ” controversially and dangerously offensive “, BUT NOT so much those who are the zealous constitutional violators and the gun-toting murderers who are society’s genuine chronic perps. Secondly, she wants to engage us in another lively discussion about what to do in order NOT to jeopardize the security of all Americans who practice the inalienable right to live by that First Amendment. And now, as far as FOX TV is concerned, it’s the first time I can ever recall such a distinctly divided, otherwise uncompromisingly center-right to more right wing group of network on-air hosts, within their own ranks; their more frequent guests; (Juan Williams), Alan Colmes, perky saveur du jour, Richard Fowler, and other token political equalizers notwithstanding.
    Ms Geller has frequently been on with the same hosts who are now disagreeing (with an “explanation”), on many occasions in the past. However, unlike ever before, she seems to have palpably drawn the collective ire of such an otherwise “fair and balanced” group of energy-laden and serious disseminators of local and global news. Does this extend, off-camera? A legitimate but hardly substantive observation, so far. Are people fearful of inspiration. If we don’t drink from her tireless nectar we have no one to blame but ourselves. Praise her.. don’t bury her.

    http://spectator.org/articles/62608/silence-lambs

    • jihad3tracker says

      May 7, 2015 at 8:09 pm

      Excellent remarks, Mr.Redlick, and a superb link to that American Spectator piece by William Murchison.

      As a 66 year-old who was clueless about Islam until 4 years ago, I am astonished at what is a “never going back to illusions” event — the Garland shootings and Pam Geller’s sudden presence ALMOST EVERYWHERE in media interviews.

      The diversionary tactics of CAIR and its seditionist frat boys JUST ARE NOT WORKING ANYMORE. The mental pathology of everyone who thinks Muhammad was actually receiving the word of God exposes them as severely intelligence-challenged.

      We have an extremely rare chance now to seize the moment — speaking to our family and friends about Islam’s true supremacist & violent essence, gently telling our clergy and fellow church members, and writing to local elected officials.

  16. Brian Hoff says

    May 7, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    People donot like her in your eye to free speeck that buses and subway must carry her hate adv attacking Islathan well respected religion of peace. The people in NYC hate her gut for haveing the MTA change they polcy on Religious adv and political, Religious group ran nice adv on upcomeing religious events and holidays which will never be carry again by MTA.. If Islamoproblic racist Pam doesnot liberal,leftist and muslim in america she is welcome to leave america and goes elsowhere where there are no liberal, leftist and muslim. The South pole have muslim there already.

    • gravenimage says

      May 7, 2015 at 8:20 pm

      The vile “Brian Hoff’—really, “DefenderofIslam”—wrote:

      People donot like her in your eye to free speeck that buses and subway must carry her hate adv attacking Islathan well respected religion of peace.
      ………………………………

      The idea that Islam is a “religion of peace” in the wake of the Jihad terror attack on Pam Geller’s show is just grimly hilarious. Why doesn’t “DefenderofIslam” spend his time convincing his fellow Muslims that Islam is a “religion of peace”, rather than bothering the good Infidels here at Jihad Watch?

      Also, notice that he cannot actually claim that the AFDI ads were inaccurate. But then, how could he? The ads just note that Islam is violent and antisemitic, which is amply proven.

      More:

      The people in NYC hate her gut for haveing the MTA change they polcy on Religious adv and political, Religious group ran nice adv on upcomeing religious events and holidays which will never be carry again by MTA.
      ………………………………

      Many New Yorkers are fine with the AFDI ads. The idea that the MTA was forced to change their rules to crush freedom of speech is simply absurd.

      More:

      If Islamoproblic racist Pam doesnot liberal,leftist and muslim in america she is welcome to leave america and goes elsowhere where there are no liberal, leftist and muslim.
      ………………………………

      Pamela Geller is standing up for American values, something the witless “Brian Hoff” is incapable of understanding. And the idea that destroying freedom of speech is “liberal” just shows how little he understands that concept, as well.

      More:

      The South pole have muslim there already.
      ………………………………

      That seems highly unlikely, since the only humans at the South Pole are scientists. Also, given the “Ramadan paradox”, pious Muslims would starve to death in the six months of sunlight there, when they would be unable to eat.

      I think this says a lot for the irrationality of Islam right there…

      • Mirren10 says

        May 8, 2015 at 6:29 pm

        ”The South pole have muslim there already.
        ………………………………

        That seems highly unlikely”

        Unfortunately, darling graven, there **are** muslims in Antarctica. Yes, they are ‘scientists’, but that doesn’t make them any less muslim.

        I seriously doubt there is one single inch of the earth, that is free of their foul infestation.

        ”Also, given the “Ramadan paradox”, pious Muslims would starve to death in the six months of sunlight there, when they would be unable to eat.”

        Oh, I’m sure the muslim ‘scientists’ there have managed to twist something around, or else they have blamed it on the wicked infidel, for creating a world where the earth revolves around the sun , so we should hop to it and change the laws of the universe, because, God help us, muslims must never, ever, ever be offended … 🙂

        http://www.answers.com/Q/Are_there_Muslims_in_Antarctica

        • gravenimage says

          May 8, 2015 at 10:13 pm

          Thank you for that grim corrective, Mirren.

          I had done a bit of searching, but clearly not enough.

          Just now I ran across a reference to “Jinnah Antarctic Station”, nominally run by the Pakistani military. I am ashamed to note that this has mostly been enabled by the United States. Another example of the well-meaning but clueless West.

    • Western Canadian says

      May 7, 2015 at 10:50 pm

      Really, Brain Off, I cannot thank you enough for posting here, and confirming again and again and again, what a truly devout muslim really is: a product of 1400 years of inbreeding, among the most criminally ignorant of all beings, so uneducated as to be dimmer than a door knob, filled with bigotry and hatred, a worshiper of a child and woman raping mass murdering thieving slave raiding/trading/holding/raping/killing sub animal. And this is the short version.

      • Mirren10 says

        May 8, 2015 at 6:42 pm

        You know, I absolutely **adore** old ‘Defenderofislam’s’ incoherent and fractured posts. As you astutely observe, he really does encapsulate what islam does to the brain. Although in poor old DoI’s case, I doubt there was much brain there, in the first place.

        What **I** would like to know, is what prompted old ‘Brian’ to convert ? (He’s told us, in the past, he actually **converted to islam, not to mention the fact he is apparently a CIA operative, and that the mosque he attends is busily trying to provide him with a wife).

        I would **love** to know what precipitated this ‘conversion’.

        Come on, ‘Brian’, cough it up ! 🙂

  17. Always On Watch says

    May 7, 2015 at 4:15 pm

    How true this portion is!

    If Geller were a groundbreaking pornographer like the loathsome Larry Flynt, someone would already be planning a celebratory biopic of her life. If she were a gadfly sticking it to a major Western religion rather than to Islam, she might be considered more socially acceptable.

    Instead, her provocations are deemed almost as shameful as the intentions of the men who wanted to kill her and her cohorts.

    I think that I’m going to bring out that excellent point to the next person who whines at me when I say, “I stand with Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, and Bosch Fawstin!”

  18. CogitoErgoSum says

    May 7, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    Was anyone forced to draw a pictured of Muhammad? NO
    Was anyone forced to look at a picture of Muhammad? NO
    Did the Muhammad drawing contest pose a threat to the life or freedom of any single person anywhere? NO (except to those participating)
    Were two armed men intent upon mass murder killed in a violent shoot-out with police who were legally protecting a lawful assembly of people. YES
    ???
    No problem with me.
    Justice was served.
    Freedom was protected.
    Pam should not and must not be silenced.
    Those who think differently need to think some more.
    Liberty and justice must be for all.
    Pam, speak freely the truth as you see it and may you be allowed to do so without the threat of harm.
    May the same apply to each one of us.

  19. wildjew says

    May 7, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    Lowry wrote: On “Hardball,” NBC terrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann descended into a morass of contradictory clichés when discussing Garland. He said Geller and her ilk are “trying to provoke a response from the Muslim community, and unfortunately, this was predictable.”

    Then he maintained that the ensuing inevitable attack from the sorely provoked Muslim community had “nothing to do with Islam.” The perpetrators and supporters of the attack would beg to differ….

    It’s not just the left. I transcribed some of what conservative radio talk show host Laura Ingraham told Pamela and her audience the other day in an interview:

    Ingraham called the jihadists a “couple of freaks.” She ask (rhetorically) what can we do to make sure this does not spread and grow among more reasonable Muslims? Part of the culture Ingraham said is that we believe in “respect” for each other’s faith in a pluralistic society….those two who showed up at the event Ingraham said, “believe in something very perverted….”

    Ingraham Grills Geller: Why ‘Go Out of the Way to Offend a Billion Muslims’?
    by Josh Feldman | 5:12 pm, May 6th, 2015

    If Laura Ingraham does not believe these devout Muslims practice something that has nothing to do with Islam why does she say they believe in something very perverted unless she believes Islam itself is very perverted?

    • Georg says

      May 7, 2015 at 5:05 pm

      “Why ‘Go Out of the Way to Offend a Billion Muslims’?”

      Because they do it to me every day with the text they hold to be truth amongst truth. They can take that book and worldview and cram it. They live much more offensive lives than I do, so they’re going to get it back and get some reciprocation for their hateful ways. And because of the garishness of their views, I’ll take delight in watching them lose miserably over the near and long term. As humans will cure cancer we will see the Muslim ideology rot and wither to whither is sprang. So long.

      • wildjew says

        May 7, 2015 at 5:29 pm

        I agree with you but don’t count on them losing miserably over the long term should Iran get nuclear weapons. The Iranian will multiply them by the hundreds of thousands in the over the next couple or so decades. They will be in the hands of these peoples with garish views all over the planet. In the end Islam will not prevail but at the cost of how many billions of souls?

        • wildjew says

          May 7, 2015 at 5:33 pm

          Sorry for my poor sentence construction. I am in a bit of a hurry.

    • Jack Diamond says

      May 7, 2015 at 6:55 pm

      {He said Geller and her ilk are “trying to provoke a response from the Muslim community, and unfortunately, this was predictable.”}

      And why, if this has nothing to do with Islam, Mr. Kohlmann, would it provoke that response from the Muslim community? And why was it predictable? Is it possible avenging insults to Muhammad or the “slander” of Islam is widely accepted by Muslims and sanctioned and obligated by mainstream schools of Islamic law and consensus of its scholars? Would it still have nothing to do with Islam were that the case? Is there a big piece missing in your education on this subject, a piece not provided by Mamoun Fandy?

      What are the consequences, if that is true, for free societies? Is it even possible that imposing shari’a
      norms, like blasphemy, on non-Muslims goes far beyond a cartoon of Muhammad and is of a larger context, a context including that free-speech jihad by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation at the UN to criminalize “defamation of religion” as hate-speech? (note, the OIC is not the al Qadea/ISIS hijacking Islam-fringe-tiny minority of Muslims, it’s just the entire Muslim world imposing Islamic blasphemy law and endorsing the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights); While “fringe” elements help promote compliance by instilling terror with actual murders of high profile “slanderers” and the Moderate Muslims can shake their heads and say “very regrettable, we don’t condone it…but it is understandable. You shouldn’t do it again.” While terrorism experts like Evan Kohlmann not only give Muslims a pass, he gives them the position of a privileged class and puts their sensitivities above the Bill of Rights. Because, he assumes, the Vast Majority of Muslims are with us, believe the same things we do, and we badly need them as allies. You are getting so many things wrong, Evan, you really should get a refund from Georgetown.

      • Georg says

        May 8, 2015 at 8:27 am

        @ wildjew

        I think Iran getting nukes will definitely herald in the next worst thing. The recent belligerence in the press by Iran about gladly taking on the United States militarily is the diplomatic equivalent of a victory lap. There wasn’t/isn’t a perfect solution, but I don’t see why the sanctions which “brought them to the table” ought to have been lifted based upon word instead of deed– just stupid. If Iran’s not an enemy of the West, I’m not sure who is.

        @ Jack Diamond

        The deluded notion by ill-informed individuals bereft of Islamic empathy is well-exemplified by the “they’re basically on our side” tome. The true nature of Islamic belief is essentially incomprehensible to them as they project their worldview. It’s also an embarrassing demonstration of their lack of understanding of who they promote… endlessly frustrating and depressing.

  20. somehistory says

    May 7, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    “While we have freedom of speech,” Stasi continued, “we also have freedom of religion, which shouldn’t be impinged upon.”
    ***********************************
    If she had said this when the lady was beheaded by the muslim trying to convert her to islam against her will at their workplace, it would have been appropriate.

    Ms. Geller is not *impinging* upon the freedom of religion of muslims by hosting a free speech drawing of cartoons. She is engaging in her own freedom *of/from* religion in not accepting the dictates of islamic *law* of keep-your-mouth-shut-if-you-know-what’s-good-for-you regarding the truth of islam.
    Ms Geller and the others were engaging in freedom of speech and….and…freedom of/from religion by exposing the tyranny of islam.

    The beast of islam is not yet finished with its tyranny and slaughter.

  21. Theodoric says

    May 7, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    PRESERVE Freedom Of Speech!

    DRAW The Vile “Prophet” Muhammad

    https://drawthevileprophet.wordpress.com/2015/05/07/preserve-freedom-of-speech-draw-the-vile-prophet-muhammad/

  22. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    May 7, 2015 at 5:05 pm

    Nice essays supporting of Geller over at American Spectator and NRO Online, two of the best general politics blogs.

  23. somehistory says

    May 7, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    This from an AP story: ” Both he and his roommate, both from Phoenix, opened fire outside the cultural center but were shot dead by an unarmed security officer stationed outside.”
    *************************************************
    Wonder how that could happen?

    • nacazo says

      May 8, 2015 at 3:44 am

      instead of unarmed, i think it should read unnamed. An “r” sipped in.

      • nacazo says

        May 8, 2015 at 3:45 am

        slipped

  24. mortimer says

    May 7, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    Leftists should ask how many items on this list are UNACCEPTABLE to them as Leftists:

    1 No Golden Rule 2 No free speech 3 No democracy 4 Jihad – holy war of supremacism 5 Honour killings 6 Taqiyya – sacred lying 7 Taqlid – group think 8 Misogyny – repression of women 9 Rape of kafirs as jihad prizes 10 Genocide 11 Ethnic cleansing 12 Al-Walaa wal-Baraa – Islamic apartheid 13 Torture 14 Plundering 15 Cruel and unusual punishments 16 Backwardness – stagnation 17 Violence against women 18 Slavery 19 Discriminatory Sharia law 20 Hatred of the arts 21 Pedophilia disguised as child marriage 22 Fifty generations of cousin marriage and genetic defects 23 Cruelty to animals 24 Extortion tax to humiliate disbelievers 25 No historic basis 26 Anti-intellectual obscurantism 27 FGM 28 Arab racism 29 Theocratic totalitarianism 30 Vigilantism

    • Linde Barrera says

      May 7, 2015 at 11:21 pm

      To mortimer- Your 6:03 post was awesome. Wish you had your own news segment on CNN.

    • nacazo says

      May 8, 2015 at 3:46 am

      re-introduction of SLAVERY… yes it’s in the qu;ran… slavery is A-OK with jihadis.

  25. profitsbeard says

    May 7, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    Pamela Geller performed two vital services.

    She drew maniacs out of the underbrush… to their deserved deaths.

    And lured the Coward Class out of its tinsel and teleprompter camouflage.

    Thank you Pamela for being doubly bodacious!

  26. mortimer says

    May 7, 2015 at 6:05 pm

    Leftists should ask themselves: ‘Is it ok to assassinate a cartoonist over a cartoon?’

  27. Ben says

    May 7, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    Not only won’t she shut up, but she is not wearing her burqa. What gives?

  28. Always On Watch says

    May 7, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    I have a theory about one reason that so many are attacking Geller and Spencer for sponsoring the event in Garland, Texas.

    That the two Garland jihadists don’t “fit the profile” makes people uncomfortable — to the point that so many are blaming the messengers (Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Bosch Fawstin, and any who support these messengers because to do otherwise is to have to take an objective look at the teachings of the Quran and the Haditha.

    The Garland jihadists didn’t have long criminal histories, histories of mental illness, or histories of having grown up downtrodden in poverty.

    So, what did set them off?

    Islam, of course.

    They were serious about strict shari’a and desired to be enforcers thereof. That is the reality.

    The values of shari’a and Western values are incompatible I’ve held this position from the first day that I started blogging. I stand by that position.

  29. gravenimage says

    May 7, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    “Why Won’t Pamela Geller Shut Up?”
    …………………………….

    Because she’s smart, principled, and brave, and cares more about defending freedom of speech than most of her witless critics in the media. Kudos to Rich Lowry at Politico for largely getting this.

    More:

    The Washington Post ran an article on Geller headlined, “Event organizer offers no apology after thwarted attack in Texas.”
    …………………………….

    Good God, why should she? Didn’t the attack, in fact, largely prove the show’s point that freedom of speech is under attack from Islam?

    More:

    To say the reaction to Garland has been confused is charitable. On “Hardball,” NBC terrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann descended into a morass of contradictory clichés when discussing Garland. He said Geller and her ilk are “trying to provoke a response from the Muslim community, and unfortunately, this was predictable.”

    Then he maintained that the ensuing inevitable attack from the sorely provoked Muslim community had “nothing to do with Islam.”…
    …………………………….

    *Very* important point, which I have seen a few others make. How can it both be predictable that Muslims will react with violence, and at the same time true that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’? This is simply contradictory.

    More:

    Linda Stasi wrote a column for the New York Daily News titled, “With Pamela Geller’s Prophet Muhammad cartoon stunt in Texas, hate rears its ugly face again.” The hatred referred to wasn’t that of the attackers who wanted to murder people for attending an uncongenial art contest but of Geller.
    …………………………….

    Yes—how insane is this? As different as the cartoons in the show were, the basic message of the—including my entries—is that Islam is violent, and that this violence is on the model of the “Prophet”. Pointing out violence and hate is not “hate” itself. This would be like saying that pointing out the violence of Nazis is “hatred”.

    More:

    In perhaps the most obtuse and least grammatical sentiment committed to print in the aftermath of Garland, Stasi argued that “Geller, like ISIS and al Qaeda, revel [sic] in hate…”
    …………………………….

    How often do we see this false moral equivalence? Pamela Geller has done nothing violent as have ISIS and al Qaeda, nor has she ever called for violence. She just points out the violence of such Jihadists.

    More:

    “While we have freedom of speech,” Stasi continued, “we also have freedom of religion, which shouldn’t be impinged upon.” This is both a truism and a non sequitur: Tasteless speech doesn’t impinge upon anyone’s freedom of conscience or religion. The glory of the First Amendment is that it guarantees freedom of both speech and worship.
    …………………………….

    Look what *this* is admitting—that violence in the name of “blasphemy” is a part of pious Muslims practicing their creed. This *should* be shocking, since Pamela Geller is certainly not preventing Muslims from praying or fasting or going on the Hadj.

    More:

    Taking a similar tack in a piece on CNN’s website, Haroon Moghul said Geller is “using one democratic value to subvert other democratic values,” namely by polarizing America and alienating Muslims.
    …………………………….

    Here’s the vicious Haroon Moghul:

    “But their thwarted attack, or the murderous rampage of the Charlie Hebdo killers, or even the greater threat posed by the barbaric killers of the Islamic State or Al Qaeda, cannot justify blatantly Islamophobic provocations like the Garland event. These can serve only to exacerbate tensions and to give extremists more fuel.”

    https://www.facebook.com/hsmoghul

    Shouldn’t this be the other way around? Not for Haroon Moghul, where cartoons about the “Prophet” are less justifiable than murdering in his name. In fact, despite his pro forma remarks on Jihad terrorism, he clearly considers any criticism of the violence of Islam to be a “provocation” that leads to predictable (and justified?) Jihad violence.

    He also says that Geller “hosted an even that she knew would draw a violent reaction”, which means that he considers his violent coreligionists attacking and murdering people to be perfectly reasonable.

    And himself? He also openly admits that he loves the sanguinary “Prophet” more than he loves god.

    More:

    The event was placing a stake in contested ground, in a way it wouldn’t have if it had offended Quakers or Roman Catholics, who don’t massacre people who insult them. It was a statement of defiance, of an unwillingness to abide by the rules of fanatics.
    …………………………….

    *Exactly*. I don’t take offense easily, but I still periodically see things that offend me. So what? I have no right to not be offended, and neither does anyone else. The thing is that Quakers and Roman Catholics and most other non-Muslims fully accept that, and they may fire off a pithy letter to the editor or cancel a subscription or even join a picket line in a few cases, but they are not going to go on a murderous rampage. Would that this were true of pious Muslims…

    More:

    “I feel that sometimes Muslims in America have become the last group in which public officials, organizations and others are allowed to publicly demean, ridicule this group, in ways we don’t do it with other groups per se,” NBC reporter Ayman Mohyeldin opined the other day.

    What country does he live in? The new atheists merrily deride Christianity with no worries for their health or safety. Meanwhile, cartoonists who draw Muhammad have to go into hiding. Even the otherwise fearless “South Park” has had to back off, because no one wants to get threatened or killed.
    …………………………….

    True—Catholics and Jews and Mormons and Scientologists and Jehovah’s Witnesses are regularly derided, but they take it in stride. Not so with Islam…

    Here’s some more nastiness from Ayman Mohyeldin:

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/the-worst-of-ayman-mohyeldin/

    And here his is, demanding that Islam be “protected” from mockery:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/05/05/nbc-newss-chris-kyle-truther-wants-islam-protected-from-mockery/

    More:

    Give her this: Pamela Geller understands that, whereas her scolds don’t. Some of them can’t even tell the difference between her and her would-be killers.
    …………………………….

    Very true. Bravo Pamela Geller!

  30. Angemon says

    May 7, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    but it is no more legitimate to shoot someone for drawing Muhammad, than it is to shoot a girl for going to school, or a Copt or a Shia for his or her faith.

    Yeah, regarding the shia. Look what Iran wants a nuke for and why, look up what shiism teaches regarding depictions of muhammad, then amend your text.

    Instead, her provocations are deemed almost as shameful as the intentions of the men who wanted to kill her and her cohorts.

    Nah, I’d say that the soft bigotry of low expectations probably portrays Pamela’s action as worse – after all, it’s muslims we’re talking about, they don’t know any better, right?

    terrorism analyst Evan Kohlmann (…) said Geller and her ilk are “trying to provoke a response from the Muslim community, and unfortunately, this was predictable.”

    My point is made and proved.

  31. abad says

    May 7, 2015 at 9:43 pm

    It really is sad when the left tries to shut up anyone who does not agree with them. They are all for freedom of speech but only within their definition.

    Then of course we have the “Some are more equal than others” Orwellian mentality…..

  32. TJFreedomJihad says

    May 7, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    Since when did Kennedy offer an apology to Soviet Union, for blockade of Cuba in ’62, or the over flights, of Cuba. Since when did we apologize for sinking the Jap fleet of carrier groups, at Midway, which put them on there defensive heels from there on, until the unconditional surrender? Since when did we worry about poking our enemies in the eyes, to take them down.

    What kind of chances did we take in poking our opponents eyes, on just those named occasions? Provocative, hell yes. That is what imperial dictator murderers deserve, like Tojo, and .Nikita. See http://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/olc/cuba.pdf and http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/jfk-announces-a-blockade-of-cuba

    America has been at war with islam for two centuries since our founding merchant ships were repeatedly attacked while at peace, pirated by muslims on the Barbary coast, and since recent times when they attacked both our civilians in quantities, and our active military, all over the world, while we were at peace. Further on many occasions many of them declared war on us, including Osama himself, among a number of others of their kin and ilk. And they have been at war actively since there phony phrophet bandit criminal gang leader declared war on all non islam gang idea believers, globally!

    Whether wrong or right, I write these truth as all of us do under God, and the protection of our Constitutional right, of the 1st Amendment, Thanks be to G-d!

  33. TJFreedomJihad says

    May 7, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    I too, thank the heck out of all who put on this exercise of the 1st Amendment of the American Constitution, especially Pam Geller, Robert Spencer, and Geert Wilders, all hugely heroically courageous Patriots, for Freedom, and America. I also thank the courageous guards and police who helped defend our Constitution. Cheers to all.

  34. William Lucas Harvey Jr. says

    May 7, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    “Why Won’t Pamela Geller Shut Up?”

    Basically BECAUSE Pamela Geller has the “Chutzpah” to Speak out and EXPOSE Islam for what it IS, and the Islamists and the Radical Mainstream apparent “Muslim Pandering” Media doesn’t like that.

    THEY want to “Ban” and “Criminalize” it as “Blasphemy, “Islamophobia” and “Hate Speech”.

    However THEY have NO problems when ANY other Non Islamic Faith or Belief IS “Blasphemed” and “Demeaned” with ISLAMIC “Slurs” and “Hate Speech”.

    THEY prefer ONLY “Pro Islam” Speech that advances the cause Islam, such as Taqiyya and Kitman, Islamic Qur’an condoned, Lying and Deception, which is really by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them, with Islam’s “Grand Deception” Lies.

    • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

      May 7, 2015 at 11:33 pm

      It’s extraordinarily important-in law-to defy banned speech. Only then do you ‘have a case’, so to say.

      Heard of ‘chilled and deterred’ speech? I bet the folks here have. That’s what the muslims do: Terrorize, so people WON’T speak freely. NO AMERICAN should be dropping their voice, and looking around, when they say ‘terrorist’, ‘muslim’, ‘mohammed was a pedophile’, etc. If they do-and they do!-‘chilling and deterring’ is already reality.

      That is already an infamia. Here is our country, which my father and uncles fought to defend in WWII!

      I will not have it. NO.

      There must be many many more events identical to Pam’s in Garland.

  35. knock knock says

    May 7, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    I live in Metro Detroit in our local news Fox affiliate channel 2 has a pretty interesting take on this controversy..by interesting I mean you have the typical Muslim scumbag defending Islam but on a good note you have a guy who just compare pamela Geller to Martin Luther King Jr..

  36. pdxnag says

    May 7, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    Jihadis are like politicians with guns. They and their Islamic rulebook are a perfect target for core First Amendment protections, and as a lesser included target of charges of sedition.

    Would they tell folks the draw Bush/Ape cartoons to stop?

    In my opinion no citizen of the Islamic Ummah can also be a U.S. citizen.

  37. Brian Hoff says

    May 8, 2015 at 1:48 am

    I see you remove my post. If you and Pam donot like muslim living in america which is they right to do so. It you and Pam donot like liberal and leftist in america then you and Pam could leave america an live elso where. You are going to find Liberal and leftly and muslim all round the world, so shut up and stop causeing hated toward follower of Islam. Two hater of Islam got into touble today when they complain about me rideing on than oublic bus today wearing my Islamist baseball cap with words Islam than way of life along with my Islamist t-shirt.

    • winoceros says

      May 8, 2015 at 2:15 am

      How did they’get in trouble’?

      Use small words, if it’s easier.

    • winoceros says

      May 8, 2015 at 2:16 am

      And what do you mean by ‘Islamist’?

    • Andrew GB says

      May 8, 2015 at 11:25 am

      Brian, your article was probably removed due to your command of the English language being as appallingly low as mohammed the false prophets morals.

      Yep, they could move or, take the muslim way and butcher people until they are appeased. If you lot are so pious and humble then why the need for; violence, misogyny, pedophilia, lies and deceit, exclusion culural corruption and disintegration and on the list goes .

      If your cult is so robust then why are you so easily offended? Get a life you sad twat.

    • Reg Johnston says

      May 8, 2015 at 12:18 pm

      Brian; why don’t you go to school in America?. Maybe then the rest of us could understand you. As it is I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Ridiculing we “kafirs” I assume but when written in pig latin we can’t be sure. you, obviously, have a problem but then incest will do that to you.

    • Reg Johnston says

      May 8, 2015 at 12:24 pm

      Brian; what is an “oubic bus”?

    • Western Canadian says

      May 8, 2015 at 1:08 pm

      I must disagree with my fellow anti-jihadi’s who criticize Brain Off’s posts…. What better way is there to demonstrate to all and sundry, the effects of 1400 years of inbreeding, an obscene rejection of books and the knowledge contained in (most) of them (koran and other Islamic texts NOT included), and an outright fear of education? Could any of us produce such a compact and complete condemnation of islam, (RTC) than the constant offerings of this pathetic fool??

      • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

        May 8, 2015 at 2:18 pm

        WC, you’re right!

        I was just about to post that ‘Brian’s’ a waste of ink-but you’re right, not I.

        C’mon Brian! Post away! You’re a great advert for ‘Stop The Islamization of America’!

    • Mirren10 says

      May 8, 2015 at 7:04 pm

      ‘Brian Hoff’ (aka Defenderofislam’) says, in his inimitable way;

      ”I see you remove my post. If you and Pam donot like muslim living in america which is they right to do so.”

      What posts of ‘Brian’s’ have been removed ? As far as I can see, his incoherent ramblings have, unfortunately, all been posted. muslims have no right to live in America if they refuse to accept and defend the principles of the Constitution.

      ”It you and Pam donot like liberal and leftist in america then you and Pam could leave america an live elso where.”

      In fact, it is **muslims** who don’t like American values, so they should be the one’s to leave, ‘Hoff’.

      ”You are going to find Liberal and leftly and muslim all round the world, so shut up and stop causeing hated toward follower of Islam.”

      The only people ”causeing hated toward follower of Islam” are the followers of islam themselves.

      ”Two hater of Islam got into touble today when they complain about me rideing on than oublic bus today wearing my Islamist baseball cap with words Islam than way of life along with my Islamist t-shirt.”

      Brian ! This is so exciting ! **Do** furnish us with more details. Why haven’t you contacted CAIR, and got them on the case ? 🙂

    • gravenimage says

      May 8, 2015 at 8:28 pm

      The witless “Brian Hoff”—really, “DefenderofIslam”—wrote:

      I see you remove my post.
      …………………………………….

      My God, what a moron this Mohammedan is. His post was not removed; it is just on the previous page of comments. You can find it here:

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/why-wont-pamela-geller-shut-up/comment-page-1#comment-1234322

      Apparently the semi-literate “Brian Hoff” is incapable of understanding what “older comments” means, so his first thought is that the filthy Kuffar are not giving him a forum from which to spew his grammatically-challenged ramblings. More false victim mongering.

      More:

      If you and Pam donot like muslim living in america which is they right to do so. It you and Pam donot like liberal and leftist in america then you and Pam could leave america an live elso where.
      …………………………………….

      He would love to drive patriotic Americans like Pamela Geller away. With no one to champion American values, this would leave Americans undefended and at the mercy of “DefenderofIslam” and his vicious coreligionists.

      More:

      You are going to find Liberal and leftly and muslim all round the world, so shut up and stop causeing hated toward follower of Islam.
      ……………………………………

      Like any good Muslim, “Brian Hoff’ is trying to get Pamela Geller to shut up, just as his homicidal fellow Muslims armed with assault rifles planned to do in Garland on Sunday.

      And look what he characterizes as “causeing (sic) hatred toward follower of Islam”—this means that he is admitting that he considers violence part and parcel of Islam, and that if anyone objects to this violence that this ’causes hatred’. Clearly, though, he has no problem with Muslim violence itself, nor of the Islamic ban on anyone daring to mention this violence.

      More:

      Two hater of Islam got into touble today when they complain about me rideing on than oublic bus today wearing my Islamist baseball cap with words Islam than way of life along with my Islamist t-shirt.
      ……………………………………

      Implausibly, “Brian Hoff” is always talking about getting people into “touble”. I believe he thinks he has a future ahead of him as a member of the religious police, where he can arrest anyone flouting Shari’ah, and have them imprisoned, flogged, beheaded, or stoned.

      And note that he consistently admits that he is an “Islamist”—in other words, a supporter of violent Jihad.

      As far as Islam being “than way of life”, he is quite correct. Shari’ah comprises a whole oppressive, bloody system, and anyone who wants to retain their freedom will suffer from barbaric Shari’ah punishments.

      And cretinous as “Brian Hoff’ is, he knows that the first step to creating the kind of hideous Islamic hell hole he has in mind for America is to crush freedom of speech and its defenders such as the brave and stalwart Ms. Geller.

  38. winoceros says

    May 8, 2015 at 2:17 am

    *warp and weft*

  39. TheBuffster says

    May 8, 2015 at 3:48 am

    I just read an excellent commentary on freedom of speech vs appeasement of violence, and I want to share:

    https://ari.aynrand.org/blog/2015/04/29/condoning-violence-destroying-free-speech?utm_source=bluehornet&utm_medium=impactweekly&utm_campaign=05072015

    • TheBuffster says

      May 8, 2015 at 3:51 am

      I forgot to include an excerpt: “Does anyone really think that people who are willing to respond to cartoons with violence will be satisfied once those cartoons are banned? How does the debate proceed after that point? ‘You can’t draw a picture of my prophet, but feel free to argue that he doesn’t exist or that his word isn’t law as it says in the Koran’? “

      • Reg Johnston says

        May 8, 2015 at 3:53 pm

        Excellent point thebuffster.. Retaliating because the cartoons are offensive is only a part of the equation. Once they got the cartoons banned (if they did) they would look for some other reason to murder people

  40. Dennis says

    May 8, 2015 at 4:41 am

    Don’t ridicule us atheists. Most of out websites deal with Islam as it is a theocratic religion, wanting to establish a theocratic state governed by feudalistic mentalities, etc. I have lived in Muslim countries and don’t want any of Islam neither do any atheists! Enough dark ages please!

  41. jihad me at hello says

    May 8, 2015 at 10:10 am

    How about this for an idea for a competition? Entrants to the competition have the Quran printed on toilet paper rolls, interspersed with drawings of Muhammad on it. The “works” would be judged on things like design, layout and softness. What do you think?

    • Mulakush says

      May 8, 2015 at 11:58 am

      What a waste of good toilet paper!

    • Reg Johnston says

      May 8, 2015 at 4:05 pm

      Make sure it’s USED toilet paper

  42. Beth says

    May 8, 2015 at 11:17 am

    I’ve been pondering the way the mainstream media is handling the reproting on the ‘incident’ that took place in Texas…and the more I think about it, – the more appalled I become.

    Which one of them has ever shown the courage to tell the truth about what Islam really does teach to its listeners? Which one of them have taken the short amount of time to read the Koran for themselves? (and I say short amount of time because the Koran is about .01 the size of the just the New Testament, let alone the whole Bible. It’s no bigger than a phamphlet – 114? chapters – with some of those so-called chapters one paragraph long).

    Which one of them has taken the time to check the facts out for themselves? And which one of them is brave enough to report the truth about what they find?

    I was (and have been for 2 decades) for disgusted with all of the mainstream media (that includes Fox). But now, I have no words for how I feel about them. Cowards, and lazy ones at that – and hypocrites are words that are too good for them.

    Evil, corrupt and wicked are starting to make a lot more sense when pondering the characters of the so-called jounalists of America’s mainstream media. Stupidity is a word that can not be used because it is no longer an excuse.

    Just Evil! – to their very core, – is all I can think when pondering their reporting. They defend rapists and murderers – and not ignorantly, – but knowingly. And to make matters even worse – they go after the victims. Just like when the New York Times attacked everyone else except Islam for the Beslan School massacre.

    I’ll keep saying it: If you defend murderers – you are one. If you defend murderers, you have blood on your hands. These are the things that the evil do. I can not come to any other conclusion.

    • Mulakush says

      May 8, 2015 at 11:57 am

      Evil! Yes right on! And every part of press has its own axe to grind, but there is a common denominator: Money. specifically, Oil Money. Our Main Stream Media (MSM) in the US is wholly owned by a rich few. These people have huge investments in oil and other properties in the Middle East. They are beholden to Islam e.g. Saudi Arabia etc. They get their marching orders from those domains to attack those who challenge Islam while knowing very well that it is abhorrent.

      • Linde Barrera says

        May 9, 2015 at 8:22 pm

        To Mulakush- It has been almost 24 hours since I requested an answer from you giving a few (3-5) bad things about Christianity, which you yourself stated in your 11:51 am post of May 8. So far, you haven’t responded. Is it because you can’t find any bad things about Christianity? I await your reply.

  43. Mulakush says

    May 8, 2015 at 11:51 am

    RE: “For better or worse, we live in a society in which nothing is sacred.”

    I take it to mean that no ideas are too sacred to be examined in depth. And this is the key idea. Our civilization progresses on thoughts, conclusions and ultimately actions based on them for survival and progress.

    If ideas are kept out of bounds for this process, then bad ones will continue to lurk in there and keep damaging our people. Christianity is a collection of many bad ideas and a few good ones. So we examine it, attack it, defend it and sweep away bad and obsolete rubbish while keeping the good portions. Looks like Islam, like pigs, revels in its filth. But then, don’t expect us to just go along with its sense of entitlement to retain, practice and force its horrible ideas on the rest of us who have moved on long time ago.

    Pamela Geller is a Superwoman who has taken on these Muslim murderers and keeps going. Almost all of our press is cowardly. I have not heard anyone of them applauding her courage to defend our highest values. Shame!

    • Raja says

      May 8, 2015 at 7:45 pm

      Mulakush,

      Your comment that Christianity is a collection of many bad ideas is just not acceptable. You mean 1000 bad ideas? Well, you can come out with all of those but one or two at a time…

      You seem to be living in some evil Islamic state… Have you tried googling rebuttals to those so called bad ideas?

    • Linde Barrera says

      May 8, 2015 at 8:47 pm

      To Mulakush- I always want to consider and analyze different points of view, without having to debate the presenter of the ideas. As per your 11:51 am post, would you please list 3 to 5 bad ideas about Christianity? Thank you!

  44. Reg Johnston says

    May 8, 2015 at 11:54 am

    It is amusing to hear someone make the statement “Geller revels in hate” One wonders just where these people were when muslims disseminate a barrage of the most hate filled insanity imaginable.

  45. voegelinian says

    May 8, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    I’m puzzled why Rich Lowry singles out “revel in” as a grammatical mistake:

    In perhaps the most obtuse and least grammatical sentiment committed to print in the aftermath of Garland, Stasi argued that “Geller, like ISIS and al Qaeda, revel [sic] in hate…”

    That’s a perfectly grammatically correct usage by the Washington Post of the word “revel”. It’s of course outrageously mistaken about Geller on the level of the sense it’s making; but a grammatical “[sic]” at that point is simply an incorrect corrective. The whole Washington Post article, on the other hand, should be tagged as [sick].

  46. Uncle Vladdi says

    May 8, 2015 at 5:30 pm

    SHORT VERSION:

    Liberals are racists: they always assume that ONLY White Western people (including, of course, the Jews in Israel,) are INTELLIGENT enough to be guilty of being truly evil, while all their pet “People Of Colour” (including the “swarthy palestinians”) being mentally inferior and all, just can’t help being enslaved by their instincts and emotions into acting as violent animals when frustrated, the poor oppressed little dears, so the liberals will always indulge their crimes, much as one ignores the new puppy as it pees on the rugs.

    SO JUST STOP PICKING ON ALL THE THE POOR HELPLESS MENTALLY INFERIOR SWARTHY ANIMAL VICTIMS, YOU EVIL MENTALLY SUPERIOR WHITE BULLIES! YOU KNOW THEY’RE AT THE MERCY OF THEIR ANIMAL INSTINCTS SUCH THAT THEY JUST CAN’T HELP BEING VIOLENT WHEN CONFUSED, SO STOP BAITING AND CONFUSING THEM, YOU HATERS!

  47. Mel Middleton says

    May 8, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    Martin Luther King intentionally provoked the white racists in Alabama. He knew his peaceful protests would cause them to throw a hissy fit, and likely bring about violence. Yet today who in their right mind would blame this violence on Martin Luther King? What Pamela has done is draw a line in the sand which clearly indicates to Jihadists that their imposition of radical, oppressive and barbaric laws on the people of the United States stops now. Unfortunately, most of our cultural elite are either too brainwashed with politically correct propaganda, or are on the dole from the Arab/petro-dollar syndicate, to support this stand. But we, the people, can and should. And if we don’t, the Jihadists win since the powerful elite have already surrendered.

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