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Australia PM: Only effective defense against terror persuading people God doesn’t demand death to infidel

Jun 11, 2015 1:17 am By Robert Spencer

AbbottAbbott is right: the only effective defense against jihad terror will be to confront its ideology. I have no idea if Abbott himself realizes what this will entail, but it is encouraging at very least that he has enunciated this, which no other Western leader is willing to acknowledge. Obama, Cameron and the others all pretend that there is nothing wrong with the Islamic ideology at all — they won’t even admit that Allah commands death to the Infidel. Their willful ignorance and denial will only ensure more deaths of more Infidels.

“Tony Abbott opens summit on countering terrorist propaganda,” by Michael Safi, Guardian, June 10, 2015:

Tony Abbott has opened a regional summit on countering terrorist propaganda in Sydney, telling delegates Islamic State “is coming if it can for every person and every government with a simple message: submit or die”.

Representatives from governments and civil society groups from 25 countries are meeting for two days to share ideas for challenging the appeal of Isis and other jihadi groups at the countering violent extremism (CVE) summit. More than 15,000 foreign fighters are estimated to have travelled to Iraq and Syria to join the conflict, including at least 100 Australians.

The prime minister said waves of immigration had helped Australia flourish, “yet the tentacles of the death cult have extended even here as we discovered to our cost during the Martin Place siege last December”.

The prime minister also referenced claims of an Isis plot in Melbourne last year, likely to be the alleged stabbing of two police officers by 18-year-old Numan Haider in September.

He said Isis had inflicted death “mostly on Muslims in the Middle East”, but added: “This is what the death cult has in store for everyone if it has its way.”

“Daesh is coming if it can for every person and every government with a simple message: submit or die,” he said. “You can’t negotiate with an entity like this, you can only fight it.”

Abbott again paid tribute to the Egyptian president, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, for his call that “Islam needed nothing less than a religious revolution to reverse centuries of false thinking”.

“In the end though, the only really effective defence against terrorism is persuading people that it’s pointless, persuading people that God does not demand death to the infidel,” he said. “Above all we need idealistic young people to understand that joining this death cult is an ugly, misguided and wrong-headed way to express their desire to sacrifice.”
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The foreign minister, Julie Bishop, also addressed the summit, revealing that 115 passports had been cancelled, nine had been suspended and 14 refused to Australians currently in Iraq and Syria or suspected of wishing to join the conflict in the region.

She said “it defies all comprehension” that women made up around one-fifth of those flocking to join Isis, “given that it is women who are disproportionately affected by extremist groups”.

There were between 30 and 40 women “known to be either engaging in or supporting activity in Iraq, Syria or here in Australia”, she said.

Over the next two days the summit will hear from intelligence chiefs, academics, leaders of Muslim organisations and representatives from Google and Facebook. The sessions are closed, but one of the speakers, Michele Grossman from Victoria University, told Guardian Australia she would emphasise the need to support the families of young people at risk.

“Families can be a frontline of defence,” she said. “Those who are closest to us are often the very first to see early or subtle changes in attitude, in behaviour, in social networks, and this means we really need to see some new ways about how we can educate families on how to read and how to act on such early warning signs….

That is assuming that Muslim families are against all this. An unproven assumption at best.

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  1. pdxnag says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 1:27 am

    It is more cost effective to expel folks who’s religious doctrine calls for the killing and/or subjugation of everyone else. Let them rot in some Islamic hell hole far far away.

    Will that actually bring them joy rather than persuasion that their utopia of hell is actually a bad thing? (ie. are they already far beyond persuasion?)

    • Don McKellar says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 8:30 am

      Your solution is the correct and practical one.

      What Abbott is talking about is akin to trying to reprogram cancer cells in a diseased body — on an individual cell by cell basis! That’s an amazingly tall order. The correct method for getting rid of cancer is to cut it out as tumors or destroy it in other ways and let the body dispose of it as waste. Expelling, deporting, stripping of citizenship — and shipping to Islamic rat holes.

      As far as that bringing them joy, well, seeing as they are focused on “paradise” after they die and make their own lives miserable wherever they live, it will make little difference to them other than the inconvenience of having to figure out a way to earn a living as they won’t have welfare and the kuffar to suck jizya money out of. That won’t make them happy.

  2. Avesta says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 2:04 am

    I must respectfully disagree with the Prime Minister.

    The only effective defence against terror is not a matter of persuasion as an attempt to persuade a person would imply that one would be attempting to have a logical discussion with a person who is able to reason and accept logic.

    There are two very effective methods against those who seek to commit acts of terror in the name of God:

    If our piliticians and governments were to completely cut off the social/welfare assistance and fully limit legal protection of the very laws these humle and submissive muslims violate who reside in Western Europe, Australia, or North America, specifically those with a very specific agenda of Jihad, these parasitic individuals would begin to beg for the very mercy and compassion which they claim is the face of Islam.

    Second, for those who seek to wage Jihad against the west, they should be informed that if they so much as twich to inflict harm on our interests and citizens anywhere in the world, they will be shipped to heaven or hell of their choice in the same manner as Major General Pershing dealt with these unwanted pests in Southern Philipines.

    Our politicians, our governments, and our citizens must have zero tolerance for these religious wack jobs and lunatics.

  3. Baucent says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 2:42 am

    Australia is paying the price for it’s door policy to Lebanese refugees in the 1970’s and latter gate crashing boat migrants again mostly from muslim countries.
    It is now the children of the original migrants that have become “serious” about their religion and embraced it and all it’s teachings often as they cannot integrate into Australian society. No wonder a steady stream are leaving Australia to live in a land where Sharia rules.
    Abbot is calling for a reformation of Islam, but this is unlikely to happen as muslims believe the Koran is the literal word of Allah. Who would dare edit Allah will?

    • JIMJFOX says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 4:17 am

      Australia is light years ahead of other western dhimmi nations in controlling immigration and admitting the facts about Islam.
      USA- sit up, pay attention and ACT!

      • umbra says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 7:50 am

        The present conservative coalition government in Australia that is trying to address current islamic threats. If a labor government comes to power, many of its efforts (perhaps most) would be undone. Australia can easily fall behind (an in line) like the US under democrats.

        • ich says

          Jun 11, 2015 at 7:57 am

          I don’t get Democrats in USA or Liberals in CANADA

          I know one thing.
          Most people I talk to about this kind of thing dont want to hear it.
          Then I feel guilty for mentioning.

        • umbra says

          Jun 11, 2015 at 12:08 pm

          @ich

          democrats, liberals/progressives, labour/labour, socialists and similar types are practically the same thing, just different labels for different western countries. They are the problem.

          In general, many (perhaps most) people are ambivalent about the islamic problem (murder, enslavement, general all round oppression) because it has not (yet) impacted or perceived to have impacted their lives directly/indirectly. As long as their daily lives are wrapped in normalcy, they are not compelled to address the foul stench of islam simply because they do not see – have not been forced to see – any problem. Even when islamic terrorism hits home (fort hood, Boston, Canadian parliament, Texas), main stream media readily jumps in to cover for islam and tries to disarm any sustained public effort to thoroughly examine islamic theological rationale behind such attacks.

          Another part of the problem is that western population (in general) has been socially conditioned to be politically correct (from schools, colleges, entertainment especially TV). In public, there are very few individuals who are prepared to go against political correctness. Most people would prefer to avoid such politically compromising position, unless they wish to be ostracised by their peers or public opinion (perceived or otherwise). In a way, this mode of behaviour is a passive form of bullying – victims being ordinary people and the bully being political correctness or those who decides what is politically correct (progressive types come to mind).

          p/s. One should feel guilty if one has done something wrong. If uncovering the facts (“truth”) about an ideology invites guilt, then one fears that you have already trapped yourself in an Orwellian world.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:37 am

      Baucent wrote: “Abbot is calling for a reformation of Islam”

      He is calling for reformation…but without knowing it. Sharia law totally prevents this from happening, so the only way to stop jihad is to debunk Islam and encourage Muslims to abandon it.

      DENIAL OF JIHAAD IS A KUFR BY MUFTI RASHEED AHMED LUDHYANVI

      “Mufti Sahib says that some of today’s so-called Muslims are speaking against the idea of Jihaad and are trying to remove any notion of Jihaad from the Muslim Ummah…Beware my Brothers and Sisters in Islam!”

      • The Doctor says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 2:39 pm

        There are many who would argue that the Christian Reformation was a return to foundational beliefs that had been left by the wayside over the centuries. ISIS represent an Islamic Reformation – a return to the foundational beliefs of Islam that had been left by the wayside over the centuries in more peaceful places like Turkey (before recent events).

        We are seeing an Islamic Reformation, and this is why we are now seeing the true nature of Islam.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 5:57 pm

        Excellent points, Doctor and Mortimer.

        Muslims will not reform Islam in the sense we mean, and *certainly* not at the urging of “filthy” Infidels.

        Ayaan Hirsi Ali also calls for a reform of Islam—but even she acknowledges that “I recognize that these Muslims are not likely to heed a call for doctrinal reformation from someone they regard as an apostate and infidel.”

        http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reformation-for-islam-1426859626

        In fact, Muslim clerics specifically urge pious Muslims to beware such calls for reform.

  4. Treaclebeak says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 2:47 am

    :That is assuming that Muslim families are against all this. An unproven assumption at best.”

    Yes indeed, and dangerous as well. Pew surveys have reported alarmingly high support for terrorism by Muslims in Western countries, not just in Muslim majority nations.
    Whatever they really think, Western politicians will never actually admit that the domestic Islamic community provides an inexhaustible supply of jihadis.

  5. Linde Barrera says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 3:04 am

    I do admire Prime Minister Abbott for attempting to “get it together” with 2 dozen other nations to confront the ideology of Islam, but this 1 sentence sticks in my gut: “….the only really effective defence against terrorism is …. persuading people that God does not demand death to the infidel.” But in the Quran it is right there in black and white: “Kill the infidels wherever you may find them.” So if that is a core text, what does the defence lawyer for Islam say? How about this: “That sentence refers to a battle that took place centuries ago and is no longer relevant.” I still don’t like that sentence because some will continue to interpret it literally. So how about these substitutions: “Ignore the infidels wherever you find them.” “Care for the infidels wherever you may find them.” And of course, the passages about rape and slaving would have to go as well. It can be achieved but all revisionists must buy in, to attain a worthy goal. Good luck Australia. I will be praying for you.

    • particolor says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:19 am

      He may as well throw Grass at them !!
      They didn’t come here for a lecture on ethics !
      They only thing they will ever understand is while they are on a nice plane trip home in Shackles !!
      Every Last One of Them !!

    • PRCS says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 2:38 pm

      I have yet to hear a Muslim “reformer” state the exact passages from Qur’an and Sunn’ah they would change.–primarily, I think, because they know that other Muslims ain’t gonna buy it.

      Suppose, for the sake of argument, that Zhudi Jasser successfully gets a passage or two changed in the Qur’an–here, in the U.S. By what thinking does he imagine that some Afghan Imam–or any of his other billion + fellow Muslims–is going to ever accept that?

      The most significant problem for such “reformers” is that whomever wrote the Qur’an made it blasphous to even consider such changes by accusing such folks of placing themselves in a position of superiority over “Allah”.

      Neat trick, eh?

      • The Doctor says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 2:41 pm

        As I’ve send before, Islam is Satan’s magnum opus. Brilliantly crafted for the greatest impact of pure evil.

        • PRCS says

          Jun 11, 2015 at 2:47 pm

          Well, that was fast!

          I’m not a religious person, so I don’t associate the creation of the Qur’an with other than evil human beings; but I do agree that it was brilliantly crafted.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 6:15 pm

        PRCS, Zudhi Jasser is such a fringe figure that he has not even been able to find a new Mosque since his old one kicked him out.

        I don’t mean that he has yet to find a Mosque that will accept his idea of reform—just one that will let him join.

        I think this says volumes about Muslims’ lack of openness to so much as the idea of the peaceful reform of Islam.

    • Mirren10 says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 4:07 pm

      Linde says; quoting Abbot,

      ” … .the only really effective defence against terrorism is …. persuading people that God does not demand death to the infidel.”

      And this is where there is *no* defence. Because, as Abbot fails to acknowledge, for muslims, the koran is the unchanging word of ‘allah’. How can he possibly persuade any muslim that ‘allah’ doesn’t *really* mean ‘death to the infidel’ ? Such nonsense.

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 6:22 pm

        Mirren, it may not be that Abbott fails to acknowledge this—it may be that he fails to understand it.

        From what I have heard, he does seem to be marginally more knowledgeable about the threat of Islam than the average Western leader—but as you well know, this isn’t necessarily saying a great deal…

  6. Bronson says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 3:16 am

    Trouble is as reported:

    Attorney-General George Brandis opened the two-day event, telling delegates that governments must be resolute in standing up to groups such as IS, and said countries must not give such groups the legitimacy they seek.

    “We must not let them succeed,” he said.

    “Through their perverse and wrong interpretation of Islam, they are attempting not only to destroy their own societies, but to divide our communities and to set us against each other.” “Instead, we must be resolute as governments, as communities, in standing up to these people and to the false and evil doctrines which they pursue.”

    So Brandis pretending he is an expert on Islam parrots the same old lie/denial as he has always done, see http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2014/09/islamic-state-religion-peace/.

    Abbott leaves off the third choice, as per Mark Durie, i.e. dhimmitude and unfortunately Brandis and Abbott have made this choice without mentioning that it exists and not saying that is what they have chosen, so are not all that different than Cameron.

    • JIMJFOX says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 4:29 am

      I suggest ALL governments have to choose their words carefully at this point in time; it may come to be that so-called ‘moderate’ Muslims must be told the truth about Islam but realistically that is somewhere down the track. Just before WW3 starts…

      Meantime, the Oz Gov’t is in no way comparable to Dhimmi Dave al-Cameron who has presided over the Muslim gang rape of British children, Lee Rigby beheading, [7/7 bombings?], uncontrolled Muslim immigration, welfare fraud, Anjem Choudary, Tower Hamlets, etc, etc- all the while bleating ‘NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM’.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:56 am

      Abbott is making verbal counterjihad. Because he is fighting Islam VERBALLY, Sharia law declares him a WORSE criminal than someone who fights Islamic supremacism militarily. Abbott doesn’t realize he’s crossed the line according to Sharia law and must now be executed by Muslim vigilantes.

  7. tilda says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 3:41 am

    “the only really effective defence against terrorism is persuading people that it’s pointless, persuading people that God does not demand death to the infidel…”

    Hmmm…. That would require an open and public debate about Islam itself — its doctrines and foundations. That kind of debate requires free speech.

    At the moment there are a few small fetters on free speech in Australia (particularly in the State of Victoria) which would have to be removed — and the Commonwealth government could do that with a piece of legislation that over rides state legislation in that area.

    I wonder if Abbott understands that?

    • Aussie kaffar says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 6:13 am

      sorry …………………….brrrrrrrr………………… [ hit the buzzer] there is NO fee speech in Australia anymore , its been legislated away over the last 18 months, remember ?

      • particolor says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 7:27 am

        Do I look like I give an F about what that Phony Government says ??
        They were served up to us on a Bed of Lies !!
        And a Crappy Press !!
        The Opposition is even Worse now ??

  8. Matthieu Baudin says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 3:46 am

    Mr Abbott and Ms Bishop are now exploring the internal mental parameters of a pious, aggressive, expansionist Jihad. It is the same course taken by much of the readership of Jihad Watch, myself included, several years ago. Politicians are busy people, without much time available to immerse themselves in what only yesterday were peripheral ideological concerns. It’s important to encourage those politicians who are making an effort to break through the surface sloganeering and wishful thinking and are attempting to understand the inner logic of a foreign tradition and belief system that has waged war on our Universal Civilisation.

    • PRCS says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 2:54 pm

      Well, I agree with that sentiment, but–if they’re that busy, how will the masses ever get through to them with the facts?

      How much/many of the letters sent to a politician’s office are intercepted–and wordsmithed first by their staff, I wonder.

  9. cathari5 says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 4:27 am

    and next come the obligatory response by the islamofascists complaining about the being targeted by the Abbot gov , blah blah

    • JIMJFOX says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 4:30 am

      Too true!

  10. No Fear says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 4:50 am

    If I was an Aztec and I demanded daily human sacrifice then my “religion” would be banned.
    If I wanted to enforce “Aztec law” on non-Aztecs then I would be stopped.
    If I demanded respect for the bloodthirsty (imaginary) “Quetzcoatl” then I would be laughed at.

    Grow up muslims.

    • Matthieu Baudin says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 9:37 am

      A fair analogy ‘No Fear’. They are modern masters of human sacrifice for religious deliverance.

  11. Salve says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 4:52 am

    While I have never heard any Christian cleric preach in a Church about the virtues of the Crusades and Crusaders; at Australia’s largest mosque the jihads from the past might still be being glorified.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZG8QG7jDQ

    Pretty sure, Anne Aly was going to the CVE summit. She says that Islam has nothing to do with beheading. (The Jews at Yathrib will feel much safer now, despite the beheading they endured by Muhammad’s blessing.)

    Luckily, for us Australians only those who misunderstand Islam commit violence. Just love how the Ahmadiyya have sometime been presented as the face of Islam in the Australian media, clearly they are the majority of the Muslims in Australia (except their not).
    http://www.meforum.org/3182/history-muslim-conquests

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futuh

    Pretty sure, that this committee of the Australian parliament will be in the front line of resisting funds going to Muslims from non-Muslims, not. http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Economics/Food_Cert_Schemes

  12. Rob says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 5:00 am

    Egypt’s Al SiSi put it better when he addressed a conference of Imams. He said something along the lines of:
    ‘There must something seriously amiss with a religion that half the world’s population regards as a threat’.

    • particolor says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:31 am

      You Think ? 🙂

  13. peter says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 5:10 am

    While at Australia’s largest mosque jihad in all its forms is being rejected.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:18 pm

      Ha! Of course, the Lakemba Mosque is not just glorifying Saladin, they have copious ties to Jihad terrorism.

      • particolor says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 6:05 am

        Yeah Right ! They are Seriously considering Caliphating the joint ! Now that we have done all the hard work establishing it for their Comfort !
        And that’s what they think of ANYWHERE on Earth ! Because their Booky tells them so !!

  14. albert says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 5:24 am

    A very simple solution, the world could DEMAND through the United Nations on pain of Military action.

    1. ALL PRESENT COPIES OF THE KORAN ARE DESTROYED.
    2. A NEW KORAN BE PRINTED WITH ALL REFERENCES OF CONQUEST, SLAVERY, MISOGINY AND VIOLENCE TO OTHERS DELETED,THOSE PASSAGES REPLACED WITH MESSAGES OF LOVE AND TOLERANCE FOR ALL

    In fifty years all the hate will have been bred out of muslims and Islam might become the religion of peace Hillary Clinton claims it is. If muslims really were peaceful they would have no objection to those demands.

    • tilda says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 5:34 am

      The UN is a farce. It might serve some purpose in paying large salaries to representatives of failed states and ideologies (ie rubbing sensitive egos) … but… it is a farce and it is something else that the West needs to rethink.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:14 am

      You’re suggesting a very small book. Over 60% of the Koran is hate speech. It won’t happen.

      Book banning is another kind of prohibition that doesn’t work. The effective way to end jihad is to deprogram Muslim by showing them the facts.

      If Abbott wants his ideas implemented, he will have to design a curriculum that historically, scientifically, morally and logically debunks the Islamic source texts and tears the whole toxic bundle to shreds.

      • The Doctor says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 2:47 pm

        They would also need to ban madrassas, or the Aussie Muzzies would simply pull their kids out of the real schools and enroll them into the terror training centres (madrassas). They would also need to ban or SEVERELY curtail homeschooling to prevent the same type of thing. (Requiring the primary homeschooling parent to have at least a Bachelor’s degree would help since hard-core muzzies won’t let women get an education.)

    • particolor says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:34 am

      Jonny Cash had a song like that !!… Dream on Dream on Teenage Queen !! 🙂 🙂

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:25 pm

      Good luck with that, given the fact that the UN is enabling Jihad in “Palestine” and uses itself as a platform not to condemn Muslim atrocities, but to excoriate democratic Israel for daring to resist Jihad.

  15. Lia Wissing says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 5:54 am

    I am reading Fatema Mernissi’s ‘Islam and democracy’. It is very worthwhile reading, for it explains in detail how ‘ordinary’ muslims are being repressed by their own states under the qur’an,. Mr Abbott is right to try & persuade muslims that God does not expect them to kill (but allah does). It seems to me a very sticky piece of toffee to try & chew.

    • particolor says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:39 am

      Islam is Rabies Lockjaw Toffee !!

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:40 pm

      Lia, Fatema Mernissi’s argument is that fundamentalists have “perverted” Islam in denying democracy—but the fact is that no Muslim country has *ever* been really democratic, and Islamic law itself—the Shari’ah—is deeply opposed to every value of constitutional democracy.

      Mermissi may indeed mean well, but she is not going to make any headway with this argument—any more than with her argument that Islam actually respects women’s rights.

  16. DP111 says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 5:55 am

    “In the end though, the only really effective defence against terrorism is persuading people that it’s pointless, persuading people that God does not demand death to the infidel,

    God doesn’t but allah does.

    I wonder of PM Abbott realises that.

    Moreover, fighting against Jihad is the one thing that allows all Muslims to enegage in Jihad. Jihad is the core concpet of Islkam, I wonder of PM Abbott knoews that as well.

  17. duh_swami says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 7:04 am

    ‘God’ does not demand infidel deaths, but Allah does…it’s in his book which is the root of the problem. As long as Mahoundians believe the Quran contains the very words of Allah, good for all time, there will be no end of jihad, terrorism or the desire to kill infidels of any and all types. The Quran can be divided into information only verses, and ‘calls to action’ verses. Because the Quran is good for all time, there is no expiration date on the calls to action. Behind all this is the Mahoundian belief that by following these calls to action, they will please Allah and earn a spot in Paradise. Quran 9:111 is real to them, the rest is all details.

  18. mortimer says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 7:19 am

    Julie Bishop can’t comprehend why women join ISIS which represses women?

    Julie Bishop doesn’t realize this is the ISLAMIC STOCKHOLM SYNDROME.

    Muslim women love to kiss the whip that flogs them.

    • particolor says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:46 am

      And fight their way through the tangled whiskers to the Hot Lips of a Jihadi Warrior !! 🙂

      • ICH says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 7:50 am

        “And fight their way through the tangled whiskers to the Hot Lips of a Jihadi Warrior !! ”

        hahaha thanks for the laugh !

        I appreciate the 50 people on this site who arent fooled lol.
        I am sure its more than 50. But it feels like 10.

        The world is crazy !!!!!!!!!

  19. mortimer says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 7:41 am

    Tony Abbott is naïve about the ‘reformability’ of Islam.

    Islam is hopelessly medieval. It is impossibly backward, and completely unreformable. It cannot be criticized, updated or reformed in any way, since it is already alleged to be perfect. It is impossible to take the violence, misogyny and supremacism out of Islam without changing Islam completely. Since Islam cannot be fixed or repaired or reformed and because it is intrinsically violent, it must be completely condemned as a form of toxic waste. It must simply be scrapped and buried in the ground like the most evil substance known on earth.

    • particolor says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 7:51 am

      There’s an Island of Plastic in the Pacific we could send them to ! Nobody owns it and they can establish their own Caliphate there ! 🙂 🙂
      Tread Lightly ! 🙂

    • Susan says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 8:14 am

      Abbot is at least saying there is something wrong with islam. Reform means it has to be adjusted and we all know that is not possible. However, by just saying islam is a problem is a step in the right direction. I am sick of politicians that deny what islam is.

      • Susan says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 8:39 am

        Just as a side note, our PM Harper said that islamicism is a threat. That was in 2011 and we still have not eradicated this cancer from our country. Too many liberals keep defending and putting up road blocks. Also the media has their head in the sand, but, I do believe we are further along then Europe or the US for that matter. You might get a kick out of the Harper put down of the niqab in parliament. The second video posted.

        http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-says-islamicism-biggest-threat-to-canada-1.1048280

        https://www.facebook.com/GlobalNews/videos/803420466372387/

  20. ICH says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 7:43 am

    WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!! what a difference leadership makes.
    OBAMA really is crappy !! I feel bad for USA.

    Its time for some new thinking.
    Hes grown tired and complacent.

    Being super nicey nice does not work either.
    The billboards over there calling HIM a terrorist are proof of that.

  21. Nolongerdhimmi says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 7:47 am

    Agree, and If I may add, persuading them that the” Allah” does not require raping infidels as part of worshipping him

  22. Jack Diamond says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 7:54 am

    corrected version: “the only really effective defence against terrorism (didn’t you mean Jihad?) is persuading (infidel) people that God (didn’t you mean Allah?) does demand death to the infidel.”

    “the only really effective defense against Jihad is persuading Infidels that Allah does demand
    death to the Infidel.”

    Forget the youth counseling.

  23. infidave says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 7:56 am

    Sadly “online radicalisation” seems to be the main agenda rather than focus on the teachings of islam and what is actually going on inside mosques around the country and the globe.
    Every jihadi in the world has one thing in common.
    They have all attended a mosque.
    Under anti terror laws all islamic mosques should be monitored and when evidence of radicalisation appears then deport those responsible.
    Every muslim leader who has made statements in the past disrespecting our laws and democratic society should be rounded up and show cause why they also should not be stripped of citizenship.

    Attorney-General George Brandis mentioned “the false and evil doctrines which they pursue.”
    So that must mean IS is using a different text to the so called “moderates”?.
    Somebody needs to tell George those “false and evil doctrines” are the same book of evil they are all following.

    ”
    Attorney-General George Brandis opened the two-day event, telling delegates that governments must be resolute in standing up to groups such as IS, and said countries must not give such groups the legitimacy they seek.

    “We must not let them succeed,” he said.

    “Through their perverse and wrong interpretation of Islam, they are attempting not only to destroy their own societies, but to divide our communities and to set us against each other.”

    “Instead, we must be resolute as governments, as communities, in standing up to these people and to the false and evil doctrines which they pursue.”

  24. Angemon says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 9:03 am

    In the end though, the only really effective defence against terrorism is persuading people that it’s pointless, persuading people that God does not demand death to the infidel,” he said. “Above all we need idealistic young people to understand that joining this death cult is an ugly, misguided and wrong-headed way to express their desire to sacrifice.”

    I hope he’s not thinking about going the papal road of “authentic Islam and the proper reading of the quoran are opposed to every form of violence”…

  25. Westman says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 9:27 am

    Islam is a cancerous parasite on the world. Nowhere, without oil wealth, and in control of government, is it economically viable. It must take wealth from some source other than its own labor. It is the ideology of theft from other societies while applying draconian punishments for any infraction of obedience within its own. It has no success, based on its own efforts, even approaching that achieved by Japan or South Korea.

    There is only one core solution to Islam’s parasitic nature, i.e., stop feeding it.

    The UN is contaminated by the OIC and is, generally, a place for lodging complaints and receiving subsidies for 3rd world nations. It needs to move to, say, Geneva.

    Since it is in the nature of Islam to take from other societies through all available means, those means must be restricted. A disconnection from Islamic societies is preferable to the only other solution, total war. That form of war would be genocide because to be successful it would be wholesale upon all citizens of the offending country. This happened in WWII.

    Islam cannot survive in its current form without a host. The main blood upon which a resurgence of Jihad was fueled is wealth from oil; directly and indirectly.

    Western nations must become independent of Muslim oil or there is no possibility that Islamic Jihad will be contained by peaceful means. Today’s ISIS is one result of ignoring the warning of the 1973 oil embargo.

    Islamic countries must be economically isolated until it becomes obvious to every Muslim that there is no economic future for current Islam in a free, competitive, world. Immigration of Muslims should be stopped in all Western nations until there is world-recognized reform in Islam.

    • Linde Barrera says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 9:38 pm

      To westman- I loved your 927 post, about the nations concurring on the reform of Islam or not doing business with them and isolating them, at least that is the way I read your comment. Any chance your logical, clear thinking and eloquent language can get you a job as a lobbyist?

  26. WhatsUpDoc says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 9:32 am

    I am wondering I he understands that “Islamic” god does demand death. It

  27. b.c.terry says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 10:08 am

    Futile, this is like farting into the wind.

    It’s another desperate form of appeasement, and all it will do is solidify islam’s mandated for all time fascist totalitarianism.

    • William Ash says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 6:55 pm

      I totally agree. Yet western governments afford this murderous ideology both religious and charity status. Start by stripping Islamic organisations of their tax exemptions based on Islam’s violation of human rights and refuse to recognise Islam as a religion due to the criminal violations of incitement to violence commanded in its doctrine.

      • particolor says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 7:06 pm

        Cancel ALL their Jizra NOW !! We know where the funds go !! 🙁

  28. Kuffar says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 10:26 am

    There is one other way that was proved out in WWII Kill enough of them till the rest quit…!!!

    • mortimer says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 4:02 pm

      Kufar,
      Your ideas were rejected by the civilized world at Nuremburg.

      • Peggy says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 9:36 pm

        Our civilized way of dealing with this will mean the end of us.
        We cannot fight this evil the civilized way. In the words of Crocodile Dundee “don’t bring a knife to a gun fight”.They have guns, we need bombs. We need to do whatever it takes to defeat them.
        Comparing us to Nazis is wrong. We never started this fight but we have to finish it.

  29. William Lucas Harvey Jr. says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 10:37 am

    “Australia PM: Only effective defense against terror persuading people God doesn’t demand death to infidel”

    The Christian GOD does NOT, but Allah, the God of Islam DOES !

    Quotes from and about Islam
    http://www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

    • Scotty5151 says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 2:29 pm

      Correction: Neither the Christian nor Islamic God advocates for the killing of the Infidels, because neither of them exist in reality.

      Now, the fictional / imaginary Christian God does not call for death to the Infidels, while the imaginary Islamic God does advocate for this.

      But…..they’re both just concepts in peoples’ minds. The moment we collectively realize this fact, the entire issue of what the “true god” is telling us is exposed for the nonsensical rubbish that it, in fact, is.

      Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

      What say you?

      • mortimer says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 5:00 pm

        Hummer,
        You need to learn more about Islam. Muslims ‘know’ that Islam is true and will kill you for being an atheist. How are you going to convince them when they have a knife at your throat? It sometimes takes decades for a Muslim to leave this inbred lifestyle. A facile approach like yours doesn’t even start with ABC. You merely bark orders. That will not convince.

        • Moa says

          Jun 11, 2015 at 8:36 pm

          You show them the EVIDENCE that the story of Islam’s creation is false.

          The evidence is irrefutable. It shows that Muslims have been lied to by Islam for centuries.

          “An Historical Critique of Islam’s Beginnings” [71 mins]
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9lIuUjPs0

          When you show Muslims the PROOF that they have been lied to, some will choose to stay but the vast number will leave.

          Then you have the much, much smaller problem of killing the true crazies – but you have managed to separate them from the vast pool from which they replenish.

  30. gamal says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 10:45 am

    This entails abolishing all mosques, all Islamic schools, all Islamic children’s camps, all Islamic newspapers, all Islamic television and the Koran and the Hadith

    • t. says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 4:17 pm

      Gamal,

      What you said is very true and accurate, gamal! Unfortunately here in the west, many governments and people, surprisingly and sadly, are still not aware of that.

      Continue posting these full-of-insight comments.

  31. Lioness says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 11:05 am

    It will fall on deaf ears, will not make a dent in the fascist islamic ideology. It’s like asking an animal to change his stripes to spots. According to Islam, Allah demands death to infidels. Period. Who do you think they will obey: Abbot or Allah?

  32. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 11:50 am

    Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, for his call that “Islam needed nothing less than a religious revolution to reverse centuries of false thinking.

    False? Since when is understanding what is plainly stated in the Holy Ko-Ran false? Moslems over the centuries, including the activists among them, the mass murderers, have been absolutely true in their understanding of the path commanded by Allah.

    What Abbott and al-Sisi are calling for is the dismantling of Islam, its deconstruction and forced disappearance from the face of the earth by making it illegal to banish it. This is a noble policy idea that I fully endorse because it is the only possible solution to the problem we face, the biggest single problem on the planet right now, and by a wide margin.

    Sure, it will take a century or so of ferreting out secret Moslems and either imprisoning them for life or executing them (hopefully by feral pig attack in a cyclone cage) until the last of them are gone, no longer left to breed and propagate.

    Possession of a Holy Ko-Ran must be made a felony crime that is strictly enforced.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 4:08 pm

      Book-banning, like other prohibitions, don’t work. The counterjihad is an intellectual movement is one of persuasion. It is slow-acting because most people resist new knowledge. The knowledge that Islam is seriously flawed is sinking into the minds of many people, including some TOP POLITICIANS and Muslims themselves.

      Stay the course. The counterjihad is making headway. We will eventually reach critical mass because the truth about Islam’s failure is obvious once you see it.

  33. Peter van der Ros says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 12:07 pm

    Abbott and Harper are the only political incorrect, so real democratic (listening to the people and using their brains) leaders on the globe. Plus Netanyahu of course, but he has to deal with a strong leftist wing in the Promised Land.

    • t. says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 4:26 pm

      I was saying to myself the same thing about Abbott and Harper, just mere seconds ago, before arriving at your comment!

      I respect both of them, a lot, for that.

      • Peter says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 1:35 pm

        fact, sorry

      • Peter says

        Jul 11, 2015 at 10:44 am

        Just a pity that do few people on this world admit this tact!

  34. Hummer says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 12:16 pm

    All that is understood by this evil ideology is force-history proves that point and that they will respect. Enunciating the problem is only a start. Elitists trained in political correctness in our fine marxist ideas promoting universities taught by burnt out hippie professors the last four decades will never get it. The next President of the US will have to be a war President thanks to this administration and hopefully not a trained elitist. The Australians will come around and have pretty much backed every fight in which we’ve been involved.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 12:33 pm

      … marxist ideas promoting universities taught by burnt out hippie professors the last four decades…

      Don’t be so optimistic. The hippie professors know age is catching up with them, and I’ve heard that they have taken to drinking energy drinks and even dropping tablets of speed to keep their energy up for promoting the cause of globo-socialism.

      Sure, these guys will inevitably retire, or die off if they’re too committed to retire from the battle, but the trouble is that professors in any university department get to select by vote incoming new professors. This self-selection already results in more of the same, indeed we’re well into the second generation of hippie professors with the third round just now appearing.

      So the cycle will be endless. This is good news for Moslems, who receive boundless support from the professors at every turn.

  35. gravenimage says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    Australia PM: Only effective defense against terror persuading people God doesn’t demand death to infidel

    Abbott is right: the only effective defense against jihad terror will be to confront its ideology…
    ……………………………..

    Well—yes and no.

    It *is* good to see any Western leader both realize and say out loud that Islam demands submission or death, and that this is an existential problem.

    But how will this play out? My guess, especially with well-meaning but clueless people like Michelle Grossman saying things like “families can be a frontline of defense”, that it will lead to more of the same-old same-old: appealing to “moderate” Imams and the supposedly large “moderate” population of Muslims who allegedly *don’t* believe in submission or death for Infidels.

    The problem, of course, is that “submission or death” for Infidels is *what Islam teaches*, even if there are some Muslims at any given time who are not openly acting on this.

    And as always there will be Taqiyya-spewing Imams and “community spokesmen” who will be willing to play the game and rope in hopeful Infidels, all while whitewashing Islam and usually while drawing a nice paycheck from the Kuffar at the same time.

    The likelihood of any of this changing the core tenets of Islam are nil.

    The fact is that historically the only successful fights against Islam have involved driving the Muslim hordes back—with the Barbary Pirates, with reclaiming such conquered parts of Dar-al-Harb as Spain and Portugal, Sicily, Greece, and the Balkans.

    At times, it has involved suppressing the worst parts of Islam, as in Turkey under Kemalism—something no Western leader would have the stomach for, and which has only served as a temporary fix, in any case, as Islam has come roaring back there.

    But it has *never* involved actually reforming Islam, or leading Muslims to reform it.

    There is no doubt that Abbott is one of the more Islamo-savvy leaders in the West—certainly, he looks damn good next to Cameron or the even more egregious Obama. But I’m afraid I very much doubt that this will lead to anything more than more of the same.

    • t. says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 4:38 pm

      I agree with your analysis, gravenimage. Nonetheless, having Abbott and Harper, from time to time, alluding to the basis of all this evil, Islam’s ideology, is a very important step in the right direction.

      This makes them seem to be like light years ahead of Obama, Cameron, Kerry. Clinton….etc!

  36. Wellington says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 1:36 pm

    A step in the right direction but only a step. The crucial step that has to be taken by Western leaders in the aggregate is to assert that Islam has many profoundly troubling doctrines in it, such as death for apostasy, treating non-Muslims as inferior human beings (e.g., Sura 98:6 which refers to Christians and Jews as “the vilest of creatures” and Islamic law considering non-Muslims the equivalent of human waste) and severe harm or death for virtually any criticism of Islam, the Koran or Mohammed, thus making Islam incompatible with basic Western principles like freedom of speech, freedom of religion and equality under the law.

    In short, Islam, all of it, must be identified as a negative and no longer as a positive. As long as Islam is honored by the West, this deadly and suicidal game will continue and, at best, only some tactical victories here and there will marginally benefit the West. It is imperative that Islam, again all of it and not just some dopey and incorrect term like “radical Islam,” be properly characterized for the liberty-crushing, control-freak oriented, master-faith ideology which it surely is. Minus this the West will remain in deep trouble.

    • PRCS says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 2:15 pm

      “The crucial step that has to be taken by Western leaders in the aggregate is to assert that Islam has many profoundly troubling doctrines”

      I agree, but: one of those Western leaders needs to do that first in order that others will also tell the truth.

      How many times must we endure Scott Walker’s oh, so sure assertions about “radical Islamist terrorism”? He’s not the only one, of course.

      Geert Wilders and a few other lesser known politicians already do that, but so far the ‘big dogs’ aren’t being challenged to define the difference between “radical” and “moderate” Islam.

      I’m thinking of attending a few political rallies over the next year with tall banners stating “There’s no such thing as “radical Islam”.

      Or some such.

      • Michael Copeland says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 2:56 pm

        “There is no moderate Islam. Islam is Islam…”
        Recep Tayyip Erdogan, President of Turkey

    • Mirren10 says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 3:55 pm

      Wellington says;

      ”A step in the right direction but only a step. The crucial step that has to be taken by Western leaders in the aggregate is to assert that Islam has many profoundly troubling doctrines in it, such as death for apostasy, treating non-Muslims as inferior human beings (e.g., Sura 98:6 which refers to Christians and Jews as “the vilest of creatures” and Islamic law considering non-Muslims the equivalent of human waste) and severe harm or death for virtually any criticism of Islam, the Koran or Mohammed, thus making Islam incompatible with basic Western principles like freedom of speech, freedom of religion and equality under the law.”

      Yes. Abbot is very gingerly putting his toe into the murky waters of islamic theology. As has been noted by others, this statement, whilst welcome, doesn’t go nearly far enough.

      I think Abbot may be the precursor of a more sane attitude to islam, but until *every* politician stops playing to the gallery (muslim votes), and gets their heads around the truth, Abbot is going to be on his own. Having said that, I’ve just fired off a supportive email, and will follow it up with a proper letter. May I suggest everyone here does the same. People like Abbot need to be **supported**, and feel that there are many, many, people who agree with them, and, of course, since at the end of the day, he *is* a politician, also know that there are **votes** in this stance !

      • Wellington says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 9:19 pm

        I suspect, MIrren, that Abbott fears the worst about Islam but only wants to convey this in “baby steps.” If so, I can understand how a national leader of a Western nation must do so at this time. But, the LEAST the West needs at this time is someone in power (like Abbott) who really does “get” Islam but who knows it will be deuce difficult to inculcate into the body politic that, oh my God, mankind got a major religion which is rotten to the core and, what is even worse, the West has invited spiritual fascists of this putrid religion into our Western nations in droves.

        This is the best I can say in defense of Abbott. I hope I’m correct here because if Abbott still believes, like other fools such as Blair, Kerry, Obama, Brown, McCain, Cameron, both Clintons etc., that Islam is actually OK and it has only been hijacked by a few extremists, then his pronouncements here mean nothing and it’s back to square one again. Let’s hope, if you don’t mind the American baseball metaphor and the mixing of metaphors, that Abbott is at least at second base. Better be.

        Always good to hear from you at JW, MIrren. My God, what an extra silly world we live in. The West seems bent upon slow suicide and the Islamic world is licking its chops (though I guess not pork chops) about this since Islam always preys upon weakness as is its wont since it is one gigantic parasite. Take care, my friend.

      • Linde Barrera says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 1:24 am

        To Mirren10- Thank you for referencing me in a comment you made on June 11. I would like to state several facts here, for whatever it is worth. First, I did write to Prime Minister Tony Abbott in January 2015 to express my sympathy about the people killed in the cafe and that I was glad the Muslim killer was killed. I also wrote about the 50+ Islamic countries that should be fighting ISIS but were not, (I didnt know why not—at that time—but I know now) and for his solid support of the coalition against ISIS, meaning the countries who are flying planes, giving advisers and money, etc. to fight ISIS in Iraq. PM Abbott never acknowledged my letter! I am still waiting for a response from Queen Elizabeth, to whom I wrote on May 25, 2015. Several JW commenters told me I should not expect anything. Second, I had a very recent conversation with my sweet Muslim neighbors (no sarcasm) from Uzbekistan, and we were discussing religion. What they told me really made me angry, but I didnt show anger, I just kept quoting the Bible or gave them historical facts. One thing they stated was “The Quran was written to correct the inaccuracies of the New Testament, since it was written 300 years after Jesus died and that is too long to be correct. And also Jesus spoke Aramaic and the New Testament was written in Greek and meanings were lost in translation.” They also said that the writings of the Quran were written down immediately after EVERY EVENT happened! (I was polite here and didnt ask them who was the scribe.) I refuted their story of Judas Iscariot being crucified in Jesus’ place, as they claimed, because a Roman historian called Josephus, who was not a follower of Jesus, wrote down the details of Jesus’ death on the cross. My neighbors said Josephus was wrong because somehow Allah put Jesus’ face on Judas Iscariot to confuse and confound everyone, and Jesus was able to escape, while Judas Iscariot was the one who was actually crucified. (So now Jesus’ death turns into a magic trick?) My neighbor’s claim that Jesus spoke of another prophet or messenger that would come after him, and THAT GUY (Muhammad) would be the one to reveal God’s final words and plans. There is NOTHING in the New Testament that quotes Jesus as saying anything about another prophet coming after him. Jesus did say to his disciples shortly before He knew that He would die, that He would send them the Holy Spirit “To be in you and with you.” And in Gospel of John chapter 10, verse 30 Jesus says “I and the Father are One.” My neighbors said: “One
        what?” So I am glad I had this talk with them because it showed me that they truly believe their holy book is superior to, and much more correctly reflects the true “God” and his teachings over the Christian holy book. However, I think my neighbors are wrong, they have been lied to, I am joyful to be a Christian, and I will never convert to Islam. I can’t wait to learn how they justify “Kill the infidels wherever you find them”, as well as other Quranic verses about raping and slaving. So that is what I can share with you for now. Take good care.

  37. CogitoErgoSum says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    There is another way. First, round up all the Muslims. Then, tell all of them that Allah demands the death of all infidels OR their own death in the unending effort to kill infidels. Convince the Muslims to love death more than life. Next, place groups of them in large arenas where they may each have a pair of box cutters (like the ones used to hi-jack the planes on Sept. 11). Then tell them they may attack the infidels (with machine guns) at the other end of the arena and may scream “Allahu Akbar” as loudly and fiercely as they like. By dying this way the lucky Muslims who participate will have served Allah faithfully and will, therefore, receive their virgins and servant boys as promised and everyone will be happy. (I’m still not sure what Muslim women get out of dying for Allah but at least they should avoid going to hell. Still a bargain!)

    This seems to me like the logical conclusion to the belief that death is better than life. If you believe living with infidels is bad and dying for Allah is good, this is a free ticket to Paradise for you. It would be guaranteed martyrdom for all Muslims who participate. How could any good Muslim refuse such an offer without offending Allah? Furthermore, the participating infidels could not be blamed because giving a Muslim eternity in Paradise is a service beyond measure.

    I’m being sarcastic, of course, but it does make sense if you buy into Muhammad’s idiotic promises in the first place.

  38. voegelinian says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 1:49 pm

    “Abbott is right: the only effective defense against jihad terror will be to confront its ideology. ”

    I don’t know if Spencer is implying by “confront its ideology” that we should have debates with Muslims and that will make them change their mind about wanting to subjugate and/or kill us. If so, Spencer would be wrong. If, on the other hand, by “confront its ideology”, he means that we the West need to wake up to confront — and understand — the ideology that is motivating untold millions of Muslims (including those inside the West) to try, by hook (violence) and by crook (stealth jihad), to subjugate and/or kill us, so that we can take measures against Muslims putting Islam into practice, to protect our societies from them — then Spencer is right. But that’s not evidently what Abbot is saying.

    Quote:

    the only really effective defence against terrorism is persuading people that it’s pointless, persuading people that God does not demand death to the infidel,” he said. “Above all we need idealistic young people to understand that joining this death cult is an ugly, misguided and wrong-headed way to express their desire to sacrifice.”

    By “people”, Abbot is referring to the zombis who eat brains  i.e., the Muslim true believers in Islam who desire to join a group (ISIS) that is beheading people, burning people alive, terrorizing children, enslaving children for sex, massacring people  and Abbot wants to have a conversation with them! He is, as a quaint Australian saying has it, “a few flagstones short of a patio”.

    And even worse, you can bet your sweep wallaby that Abbot is not referring to mainstream normative Islam of which we are supposed to disabuse these “people”so that we can try to protect our societies — but only, rather, “radical extermist Islamism that is not really true Islam”)..

    Same Old Same Old.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 8:19 pm

      voegelinian posted:

      “I don’t know if Spencer is”

      Have you asked him?

  39. jewdog says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    Actually, Allah doesn’t demand the death penalty for infidels, as long as they pay the jizya (if they’re People of the Book, anyway).
    Interesting that there seem to be gradations of infidelity: People of the Book who pay jizya are better than those who don’t, then you have Muslim apostates and heretics, Zionists, Crusaders, and finally cartoonists.
    It reminds me of “Mein Kampf” with its racial categories: Jews at the bottom, Slavs next, etc until you get to the staff of antifa.

    • PRCS says

      Jun 11, 2015 at 2:20 pm

      “Actually, Allah doesn’t demand the death penalty for infidels, as long as they pay the jizya”

      I wonder if Abbot knows that or if he (and his staff) thinks that would be info overload for the average Aussie?

      • CogitoErgoSum says

        Jun 11, 2015 at 2:48 pm

        The jizya is only for Christians, Jews and a few other “people of the Book.” Anyone else who refuses to convert to Islam gets the death penalty.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jun 11, 2015 at 9:37 pm

          Dhimmis have no inherent right to life. Their right to live is entirely provisional and at the discretion of the Muslims and should they manage to offend their Masters the “protection” is removed and things return to the condition of war. When Isa returns to break the cross and abolish the jizya, you will notice all protection is ended for the Christians and it is convert or die again. Muslims are also aware that Allah’s guarantee of the highest rung of Paradise is only through the blood of infidels. Killing them. Ultimately, dar-al-harb itself, which has no legitimate right to exist, must end. Allah demands death to the infidel alright, even if it gets postponed awhile for purposes of extortion and sadism. Or they can convert.

  40. mccode says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 3:48 pm

    If he lived today Mohammed probably would be clinically diagnosed as a delusional schizophrenic. And that doesn’t even touch on the other unsavory behaviors he commanded. The profound capacity of humankind to allow itself to be snookered by dangerous charlatans is surpassed only by our exceptional stupidity.

  41. R Cole says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    She said “it defies all comprehension” that women made up around one-fifth of those flocking to join Isis, “given that it is women who are disproportionately affected by extremist groups”.

    Isis is a demonstration of things to come – because it is not Muslim women who would be disproportionately affected by fundamentalist Islamic rule – but non-Muslims.

    The women – rather are complicit. It is the ISIS women who are controlling the enslaved Yazidi girls.

    Ridding Australia of these fundamentalist types – is a survival mechanism in more ways than one.

    Initially it is about security – in the end is about maintaining the free society – as the motive for jihadist attacks is the installation of sharia law.

    ::

    Allahu Akbar!!

    This is where the AUS PM comes up against the stark contrast between Islam and Christianity – ISIS is a model for Islam based on Koran 9:29 – where Muslims fight to become superior over the non-Muslims/”people of the Book”.

    He should know that it is more to the founding Islamic call to ‘Convert or Die’ ~ it’s ‘Convert or Die or Pay the Jizya Tax’ – as a subjugated citizen of an Islamic state.

    Under the so-called peaceable Islamic period – non-Muslims lived as unequals and paid Muslim leaders an exorbitant head tax – for the guarantee of state ‘protection’. [Versus if Christians could not pay they were enslaved or worst – and tax collection was only brought to an end under Western colonial rule.]

    Start how you mean to go on…

    Already we have people calling you racists, and other terrible names – if what you want contradicts what Muslims want – it could be anything – like halal food – which is in keeping with Islamic law. What is meant to make Muslims feel at home – i.e. were there is a reluctant to integrate – could result in turning back back the civil rights clock – not on race grounds – but on religious.

    We are saying – in a diverse society – they don’t have to compromise on their God’s law – or with those people they see as beneath them – as sharia would have it.

  42. fido says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 7:23 pm

    “Daesh is coming if it can for every person and every government with a simple message: submit or die,” he said. “You can’t negotiate with an entity like this, you can only fight it.”

    Only one mistake Abbott made with his statement…”fight it” needs to be replace with “kill it”.

  43. Moa says

    Jun 11, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    Folks, Islam is COMPLETELY made up by men. We know have the archeological evidence and Koranic analysis to PROVE this. There is no point debating whether Mohammed did this, or said that, when it is all completely false.

    We know Islam is false, but now we have the satellite imagery and scholarship that proves this it means we can demonstrate the falseness of Islam to all Muslims.

    “An Historical Critique of Islam’s Beginnings” [71 mins]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9lIuUjPs0

    Because Islam is a false ideology it deserves NO RESPECT – although Muslims deserve respect as fellow human beings, and part of our respect toward them is to tell them the truth and also treat them as equals (meaning, we demand they obey civilized standards of behavior like everyone else).

    • Linde Barrera says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 1:53 am

      To Moa- Sorry to bother you, but what do I do now? I would like to read or see more about Islam being false, and the website you provided is not working. Nothing happens when I keep pressing the letters and numbers of your designated site. Thank you in advance for your answer.

  44. albert says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 7:48 am

    This could be brought down to a simple equation, same as in WW 2
    Adolf Hitler + Mein Kampf + Murderous Mindless Followers = Barbarity Death and Destruction.

    Subtract Adolf Hitler Subtract Mein Kampf Subtract Murderous Mindless Followers = Peace and Love

    Adolf Hitler = Mohammed

    Mohammed + Koran+ Murderous Mindless Followers = Barbarity Death and Destruction

    Subtract Mohammed Subtract Koran Subtract Murderous Mindless Followers = Peace and Love

    Simple

    A very simple equation to bring peace to the world. I’m sure a real God would approve.

  45. marlene says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 12:35 pm

    These people have no biblical knowledge of the God they refer to. In Luke, Jesus said: “Trade in your robes for swords.” This means get out of your comfort zone of denial and passivity and FIGHT the enemy – with the gun that has replaced the sword.

  46. Edward says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 10:40 am

    “Abbott is right: the only effective defense against jihad terror will be to confront its ideology” – Michael Safi, Guardian, June 10, 2015.

    FEAR is the engine that the Islamic religion bases its winning ideology. Nazism used the same ploy when overrunning Poland. ‘Blitzkrieg’, the lightening war that brought fear to the hearts of the European war victims that had succumbed to disabling fear.

    Ralph Waldo Emerson, philosopher and poet, said, “Do the thing you are afraid to do, and the death of fear is certain.”

    To that end, that has been reiterated, in a way, by an author that wrote the ‘The Power of the Sub Conscious Mind’. “Imagine (courage) the end desired feeds manifested reality. Follow it through, and you will get definite results” – Dr. Joseph Murphy (1898-1981).

    The virtue of COURAGE is what we humans fear to exercise, but overcoming this unreasonable fear is the answer in killing Islam’s psychological FEAR based warfare! Courage: the quality of mind or spirit that enables a person to face difficulty, danger, pain, etc., without fear; bravery.

    Our Courage is our Creator’s commanded virtue that ranks us accordingly in our faith in Him.

    Courage trumps Fear!

    • Edward says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 12:19 pm

      The virtue of courage trumps fear; that conquers world wide propensity propagation of many trials and tribulations aimed to God fearing nations, I would like to add.

      Our righteousness courage forte is Satan’s winning factor loss!

      • Edward says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 12:22 pm

        The virtue of courage trumps fear; that conquers world wide propensity propagation of many trials and tribulations aimed towards God fearing nations, I would like to add.

        Our righteousness courage forte is Satan’s winning factor loss

  47. Jay L. Stern says

    Jul 1, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    I’ve considered how to achieve a “peaceable” relationship with islamics for some time. My conclusion is that it can’t happen. The cult called “islam” and based, not on some deity, but on a human that was said to have been named “Mohammed,” needs to be dismantled. The way I suggest this to be done is as follows:
    1. Get about 1,000 or so muslim volunteers.
    2. Under strictly controlled laboratory conditions, and with both the cooperation and involvement of the head imam and his subordinates, induce clinical death to the volunteers. This may involve lowering body temperature, circulation of synthetic blood, etc. The point is that both brain activity and heart stop. They must be certifiably dead.
    3. After periods of time to be determined, the volunteers are to be resuscitated. Some may not make it.
    4. Those who are successfully revived are to be closely questioned individually, and privately, in a way to assure that no fraud occurs. They will be asked what they experienced or heard, felt and smelled while dead. They may even draw what they saw. Their responses will be carefully evaluated to assure that there was no collusion.
    5. Assuming that the answers show that nothing was there – no virgins, no paradise, no allah, expect to see a whole bunch of crestfallen former muslims.
    6. Assuming that the answers show that 72 virgins awaited the volunteer, that allah personally welcomed him and that paradise was everything promised, expect to see about 6 billion people convert to islam overnight.
    (Wanna bet which outcome would occur?)

    • Linde Barrera says

      Jul 1, 2015 at 11:30 pm

      To Jay L. Stern- While your great idea may not become reality, I can see it as either a “great scientific experiment” movie, or a modern day sequel to something like “Night of the Living Dead”! Your movie would feature actors from all ethnic backgrounds, and would be translated into at least a dozen languages. It would become an international hit! (No joke.) Start writing the script. I would definitely buy a ticket, and urge my friends to do the same.

      • Jay L. Stern says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 8:08 pm

        Thanks for the comment. I might just do what you suggested. And if I do, I’ll send you a copy of the book or a ticket to the movie!

        • Linde Barrera says

          Jul 11, 2015 at 3:12 pm

          To Jay L. Stern- Thank you! And please announce your finished product here.

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