“This is the grim reality the world faces now, this is why it is so important that what’s being done by Daesh (IS) has nothing to do with God, it has nothing to do with religion…” In other words, it is “so important,” says Tony Abbott, to maintain politically correct fictions that prevent us from understanding what the jihadis themselves tell us about who they are, what they intend to do, and why they are doing what they’re doing.
Why did the Islamic State jihadis behead Herve Cornara at the Air Products factory in Grenoble? It may have something to do with the fact that the Qur’an says, “When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks” (47:4).
Why did the Islamic State jihadis strike a Shi’ite mosque in Kuwait? It may have something to do with the fact that the Islamic State is a Sunni entity, and regards Shi’ites as heretical. The Islamic State recently called on Muslims everywhere to make this Ramadan “calamity for the infidels … Shi’ites and apostate Muslims. Muslims everywhere, we congratulate you over the arrival of the holy month. Be keen to conquer in this holy month and to become exposed to martyrdom.” This has nothing to do with Islam?
The Islamic State said that its mass murder at the resort hotel in Tunisia was an “attack upon the nests of fornication, vice and disbelief in God.” This has “nothing to do with God” and “nothing to do with religion”?
Tony Abbott is counseling willful ignorance and a refusal to understand the stated motives and goals of those who have vowed to destroy us. He is, of course, just following the established line. David Cameron just said the same thing, and virtually every other Western leader has said it as well. Obama, Cameron, Abbott, Manuel Valls, Angela Merkel, all of them know that all this Islamic jihad carried out in the name of Islam and in explicit accord with the Qur’an and Muhammad’s example has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. No one has broken ranks or declared that they’re going to be realistic and call the jihadis what they call themselves, and endeavor to understand them on their own terms so that they can fight against them more effectively. And so the West’s response to the jihad threat remains blind, uninformed, and based on falsehood.
“Abbott condemns overseas terror attacks,” Sky News, June 27, 2015:
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has condemned ‘the brutal attacks’ in France, Tunisia and Kuwait that have killed more than 60 people.
“This is the grim reality the world faces now, this is why it is so important that what’s being done by Daesh (IS) has nothing to do with God, it has nothing to do with religion, it has nothing to do with building a better world,” Mr Abbott told reporters.
He described foreign fighters leaving Australia to support IS as a modern form of treason that needed to be dealt with.
‘We are facing an absolutely unprecedented situation. About half of the Australians who have gone abroad to fight with the death cult are dual nationals,” he said.
We need ways of dealing with those that are not dual nationals and just as going abroad to fight with the death cult is the modern form of treason, perhaps to deal with it or need the modern form of banishment.”…
jihad3tracker says
Of course, he did NOT say the zinger : ” . . . nothing to do with Islam” (at least in the article’s quotes) but of course that is the inference we can reasonably make.
Maybe Abbott watched Brit P.M. Cameron’s buffoonery and vowed never to follow directly in that path to slaughter — but the Aussie’s solution is a difference without a distinction — as the maxim goes.
cs says
Believe me, it is different, one can argue that Islam has nothing to do with G-d or religion. So it is rather ambiguous.
jihad3tracker says
Yes, cs — quite true.
I almost included in my comment above that he was extremely careful to say something unchallengeable by the careful reader.
Thanks for adding your well-put version of that observation.
PRCS says
To Muslims, it has everything to do with God.
We’ve at least got to deal with reality, here.
dumbledoresarmy says
What a lot of people in the modern world don’t seem to realise is that under the general heading “religion” there can be good religions – that don’t kill people, and that recognise the ‘golden rule’ in some way – and bad religions – that *do* kill people, whose raison d’être involves killing.
There can be ‘good’ gods and *evil* gods (e.g. the allah of the Muslims, but also the Moloch of the Canaanites who was worshipped by burning babies alive, or the Bacchus who was worshipped by frenzied maenads ripping wild animals – or unlucky fellow humans – limb from limb, or the bloodthirsty gods of the Aztecs, or Kali as worshipped by Thuggee devotees). There are gods who were worshipped by prostitution. Human sacrifice was practised all over the world.
Islam is a ‘religion’…an *evil* religion, a cult of human sacrifice at both the micro (‘honour’ murders and ‘sudden jihad syndrome’) and the macro (the multiple beheadings carried out in countries like Saudi Arabia, and the horrendous orgies of mass murder carried out when full-on jihads are unloosed…as now, where Islamic State holds sway). Tony Abbott calls Islamic State a death cult; what he ought to do is come right out and start calling ISLAM AS SUCH a death cult…because it *is*. It’s a little less *obvious* than the Thuggee cult or the Aztec system, because it doesn’t do its orgies of mass murder *all* the time; it plays the good cop badcop game, according to the degree of power/ freedom of action it has at any given time in any given place.
voegelinian says
Yeah, this “Islam is not a religion” meme is one of the sillier ones the Counter-Jihad has produced and run with like a dog with a football.
voegelinian says
PJ apparently didn’t read dumbledoresarmy fine argument defending the proposition that Islam need not be “not a religion” to be as appallingly pernicious and deadly as we know it is. Of what use then, is the “not a religion” meme? (The crucial word of my rhetorical question there is “then”, linking the question to the preceding sentence, which, in turn, links back to dumbledoresarmy’s argument which PJ like a bull in a china shop (as usual) ignored.
voegelinian says
P.S.: When I say that PJ ignored dumbledoresarmy’s argument, I don’t mean he didn’t try to tackle it. But he ignored it’s central point: that a religion and its acolytes can be religious in form and in intent, and still do evil and deadly things. The attempted arguments to demonstrate that Islam is “not a religion” all rest on the premise that a religion per se must be benign; which seems to be a silly proposition.
P.P.S.: I’m glad PJ went on at length defending Aztecs and other “Meso-American” cultures, for it reveals a glimpse into his soft PC MC underbelly; just a smidge or a soupçon of the irrationally excessive multiculturalist admiration and respect for the Other which is the hallmark of the fullblown PC MC virus..
Champ says
Believe me, it is different, one can argue that Islam has nothing to do with G-d or religion. So it is rather ambiguous.
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Not the one true God, certainly …
I think that mohammedans serve the god of the underworld: satan.
cs says
Or a Jinn, most likely.
catinfla says
Well; Islam IS considered a ‘religion’. . .so his denial, disingenuous; and carries a PC taint. As for ‘God’. . .Islamist consider ‘Allah’ not only their Supreme; but hold to their not being room for ‘two’ names’ at the top; so you know where that puts the one we ‘regard’. Better; our world Leadership, Et Al; stop the word play. Lives could be saved; rather than dying not only on behalf of Allah. . .but because of the misrepping of truth by Leftist, mind-damning now life-threatening, PC.
w says
islam (RTC) is a religion in the same way that Nazism, marxism and other crimes against humanity are religions.
PRCS says
“Well; Islam IS considered a ‘religion’”
And that is the reality we must deal with.
There are many people on this board who want to play games about Islam not being a religion, and that Muslims believe in a false God, etc.
Good luck to those who think they’re going to convince a billion and more people they’re wrong.
Western Canadian says
The problem is not convincing muslims that islam (RTC) is not a religion, but is trying to convince our own alleged leaders that it is not a religion, period, and never has been ‘of peace’.
It would be easier to convince the 1.2 billion muslims……
nacazo says
I had hopes for the pm of australia but i have to grant that most politicians are liars…. So let the lies continue. At least we still have Robert Spencer to put out the unvarnished truth which at the end will be the only thing that will keep us free.
Guy Macher says
This dufus is actually correct. It has nothing to do with God but everything to do with Allah, aka Satan.
opinionated says
Guy Macher, I think that is exactly what he meant and I do think he knows exactly what you are saying and is being careful not to say it, understandably.
Peggy says
He is not a dufus but he does have to be careful how he expresses himself. At least he did not say that it has nothing to do with Islam like all the other western leaders. He chose his words carefully and an intelligent person can read between the lines.
He is trying to tighted the noose on these primates but he has a lot of opposition in the senate and among ordinary Aussies. Not all Aussies are away yet and he has to be careful.
These are the same Aussies who are still prepared to go to Muslim counries “for a good time”. These are the same Aussies who would see you and me in jail for what we say here and therefore dangerous to Australia. He has to wait till more people wake up before he can even begin to get tough, unfortunately.
Peggy says
. Not all Aussies are away yet and he has to be careful.
————————Typo, meant to say not all Aussies are awake yet.
gerard says
The only plan our Government has is to deal with “Islamophobia”.
gerard says
“The reason to say it is probably to make them think he buys the crap but at the same time hopes that the rest of us will read between the lines.”
The situation now is way too serious for such subtulties. Islam needs to be named and dealt with.
Peggy says
I agree but I am hoping that our government realizes this too and has a plan.
PRCS says
How strict are those Australian laws?
William says
Every government in the West has been infiltrated by the Mohammedan moles and their agents. There is no other explanation for why every single one of them is regurgitating the same nonsense about “nothing to do with Islam,” “Islamic State is not Islamic,” “Islam is a religion of peace.”
Michael Copeland says
“There is a war going on and our leaders betray us.”
Geert Wilders
http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/06/a-day-of-jihad/
Ashley says
I take no issue with Abbott’s comments. ISIS and Islam have NOTHING to do with God or religion.
Sadly, I’m not sure it was his intention to make an astute point.
Agent of Liberty says
They are afraid of huge muslim uprisings in the their countries. There are so may muslims in their countries now it would be Kaos if they called islam out.
gerard says
“huge muslim uprisings in the their countries.”
It will come to that anyway. Better to do it now on our terms rather than later on theirs.
Peggy says
Very true. Let’s not wait till there is a lot more of them and they are better trained.
gerard says
The Soviet Union was “so frightening to the West” because it was a totalitarian system. The individual counted for nothing. Only the “State” mattered. They fought Hitler because Stalin and Hitler were in competition. Tens of millions died in the Soviet Gulags. Solzhenitsyn referred to Hitler as Stalin’s kid brother, meaning that Stalin was much worse. Most of my info on USSR came from dissidents like Solzhenitsyn, not from my “leaders”. In fact before Reagan, most leaders were in denial about USSR just as they are now about Islam. Also most leaders apart from Churchill, were in denial about Hitler. “There is nothing new under the sun”.
I would call the current US administration evil.
Jack Diamond says
One sensible word “banishment” was heard. Calling the IS a “death cult” means if it turns out to be the embodiment of pure Islam, what Prime Minister?
Boston Tea Party says
It’s as if in 1940, and the Panzer divisions are rolling across Europe, Western leaders said “Listen everyone, let’s not worry too much about their goals, their ideology, or how we might oppose them militarily—the most important thing for all of us to remember is that Nazism doesn’t represent true German nationalism.”
dumbledoresarmy says
Not a good analogy…since there *is* a good German patriotism, a way of “being-German” that does not involve being-Nazi. The “White Rose Society” showed us what German patriotism looked like.
A better analogy is with what happened from the 1920s right through to the 1990s, as the bodies piled up ever higher in every avowedly-Communist state, whether in China or in the USSR or anywhere else. Communists elsewhere would, whenever the piles of bodies and rivers of blood were pointed out, earnestly insist that what was happening in Russia or China “wasn’t **real** Communism”; that those doing the murders, the torturings, the starving, and putting people in death camps, weren’t ‘real’ communists.
Westman says
“..has nothing to do with God..”, correct.
“..it has nothing to do with building a better world..”, correct.
“..it has nothing to do with religion..”, totally false.
Obama, Cameron, Abbott, Manuel Valls, Angela Merkel, Abbas, Netanyahu, etc, marching together belies the fact that only Netanyahu will speak truth about the core of violent Jihad. The rest came out of the taxpayer supported rabbit holes of their Wonderland Kingdoms long enough to make a fashionable appearance and assure “moderate Muslims” that their response to the critics of Islamic Ideology would be, “Off With Their Media Access Heads”.
It is good to be the King…until one ponders upon the mechanisms by which Kingdoms are established.
Allah is coming for Wonderland while the Mad Hatter party goes on…
Jay Boo says
Just a few harmless thoughts …
— Paradise
Imagine a paradise filled with the joyful voices of children singing songs of peace and love, a sacred place where innocence is protected from despicable evil.
The lechery inspired 72 virgin pimp ideology that oozes out of Mecca is such a joke, such an obvious stomach turning joke.
What a buffoon was the murderous pervert Serpent of Satan.
— Muslims of the world, it is time for you to take a deep bow.
Bow your heads in shame for daring to ‘name-drop’ the name of Jesus with your alias duplicity in a desperate attempt to prop up your evil stooge.
“Whatever you have done to the least of these you have done to me”
— Islam is not a path of rose petals leading to a gate.
Islam is a fence thorns feeding on the manure of hate.
— Soap and Water time at the mosque
Muslims of the world, why do you wash the outside just before allowing such vile filth inside?
Really now, as if washing might allow Muhammad’s disgrace to hide.
Papa Whiskey says
To paraphrase George Orwell:
ISLAM IS PEACE.
FREEDOM IS HARAM.
IGNORANCE IS IMPERATIVE.
BIG BROTHER IS BULLSHITTING YOU.
Bamaguje says
“The Islamic State said that its mass murder at the resort hotel in Tunisia was an “attack upon the nests of fornication”” – Sky news.
Duh?? Forced sex with non-Muslim female captives – as ISIS habitually does – is not fornication?
Nope… it is rape. Rape of female captives is alright, but not “fornication.”
R Cole says
But with ‘this God’ it’s different!!
Thomas Hennigan says
In a sense he is correct as it has nothing to do with the true God, the God of Jesuscrhrist as he is revealed in the Bible, as it seems clear enough that Allah and his psuedo prophet have nothing to do with the true God of the Bible. . However, he is wrong in saying that that they have nothing to do with religion.
celtic warriarcanada says
Ya their coming to get us Tony ! But don’t worry,just pretend that Islam is a religion of peace and stick your head up your butt a little further and it will all work out in the end . Oh! and I almost forgot : When they stick their fingers in your eyes to gauge them before they SLOWLY CUT YOUR THROAT ,If you simply cooperate , IT MIGHT ? be less painful and go a little quicker. But HAY! The Halal Slaughter Ritual has nothing to do with Islam anyways ! even when its applied.on human beings ,after having been Practiced on thousands of animals ! And when the koran commands Muslims to STRIKE THE INFIDELS ON THE NECK, it really means To Give them CHIROPRACTIC CARE !
Michael Copeland says
Allah is the ENEMY of the unbelievers. 2:98
Unbelievers are ENEMIES of Allah… 41:14
Allah does NOT LOVE the unbelievers. 30:45
KILL the unbelievers wherever you find them. 9:5
Greyhound Fancier says
If the quote is correct and he called it a “death cult”, how is that not religious? At least he acknowledged that ISIS is a cult.
Myxlplik says
It’s unprecedented, because the west has never been so stupid as to allow this many practitioners of Islam to emigrate within its borders.
It has everything to do with Islam.
Angemon says
Well, the members of the islamic state say otherwise. Talk to them, not to us.
shoehorn of africa says
‘what’s being done by Daesh (IS) has nothing to do with God’
that bit’s right; Allah of the Koran is Satan, not God
‘it has nothing to do with religion’
could also be right if you discount Islam as a religion; Abbott frequently refers to Daesh as a ‘death cult’
abad says
Islam is a Forsaken Religion. Muslims cannot be saved at this point. They simply cannot.
duh_swami says
He’s right that it has nothing to do with God unless you believe that Allah is God, which I don’t and don’t trust anyone who does.
But Mahoundians do, and they believe it hard…not just some of it, all of it, and that includes jihad and what comes with it…
Aussie says
Islamic state has got everything to do with religion they all follow the same Medieval Book , they all believe that the people of the world should be slaves to an Medieval political ideology,if all Governments do not accept these facts Islamic state will never be defeated,while all Governments slither at the feet of Muslims and bend to their will the people will rise up and take back their values their freedoms all Governments are letting their people down in favour of a sickening Medieval sect known as Islam , time to wake up and see Islam for what it is pure Evil hell bent on the destruction of the human race as we know it
Will Doohan says
OT: This guys head looks like an ad for Brylcream from 1958. 😀
sd says
Of course – he supports the “live exports” of animals to my country israel —- its a very abusive thing where you put cows and sheep in small spaces in a ship – and many of them die on the way cause of the conditions —– and this PM a$$-h0le is supporting it full force — not surprising that when he has to deal with someone who can actually fight back he gets cold legs – and submits to islam
gravenimage says
Australian PM: Islamic State “nothing to do with God…nothing to do with religion”
…………………………
And the sad thing is that Tony Abbott is one of the more Islamo-savvy leaders in the West today. We have a long way to go before most in the West will really understand the threat of Islam.
Peggy says
I am just hoping and praying that this government has a plan of some sort. Matters of security cannot be discussed publically and maybe practicing our own taqyyia is in order now so just maybe Tony is not as stupid as we think he is.
Maybe he has a plan. Then again maybe I am hoping for something that isn’t coming too.
It will be interesting to see how this government treats the family of that terrorist who want to come back.
voegelinian says
“Tony Abbott is counseling willful ignorance and a refusal to understand the stated motives and goals of those who have vowed to destroy us.”
When Tony Abbot says that ISIS is not a religion this is to be seen not only as a negative affirmation, but also as an implicit (and anxious) positive affirmation — that Islam is, in fact, a religion which is not evil and dangerous as is ISIS. I.e., Abbot’s latest is essentially Bush 2.0.
Lia Wissing says
I agree with Mr Abbott that the murderous ideology of islam has nothing to with God … but it has everything to do with allah.
Marty says
Well said.
IS is all about Islam.
Interesting that Mr Abot knows all about God.
Sounds a bit presumptious to me.
Peggy says
Gerard said:
, most leaders were in denial about USSR just as they are now about Islam. Also most leaders apart from Churchill, were in denial about Hitler. “There is nothing new under the sun”.
I would call the current US administration evil
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I know that Soviet Union started before Stalin but my point was that Soviets were not going around beheading or blowing up people around the world so they cannot be compared to Islam.
During the war there was a lot of death and destruction but you have to acknowledge that Soviet Union was a big factor in winning the war in Europe. Yes, they made a pact at first but then they fough Hitler at a huge cost to them. This has to be acknowledged also.
What has Islam ever done for the world? Islam was siding with Hitler and they are still the same if not even worse.
The reason I mentioned Stalin is because of all the people he killed, mostly his own. He was a monster but he was a greater threat to an ordinary Russian than he was to anyone else. This is during peace time. We don’t have a conventional war now and during this time we should feel safe in our homes, streets and places of work but we don’t. During Soviet Times we didn’t worry about being beheaded in the streets.
This is the only point I was trying to make not trying to say that Soviet Union was fine. USSR were a huge problem for Russians after the war ended. Islam is a huge problem for us all.
gerard says
pax
Western Canadian says
You have got to be kidding.
” know that Soviet Union started before Stalin but my point was that Soviets were not going around beheading or blowing up people around the world so they cannot be compared to Islam.”
They were fomenting armed insurrection, training murder squads (Cuba being a good example), supplying arms and bodies in brush fire wars world wide. Rolled into Afghanistan and slaughtered civilians…. Occupied East European countries after invasion and betrayal of local governments and East European military (what was left of them) on their way to Germany.. Starved the populations of East European countries…
“During the war there was a lot of death and destruction but you have to acknowledge that Soviet Union was a big factor in winning the war in Europe.’
After first starting it, while holding hands with hitler….
” Yes, they made a pact at first but then they fough Hitler at a huge cost to them. This has to be acknowledged also”
Yes due to stalin murdering his own military commanders….. and destroying the Russian economy prior to the war he played a huge role in starting.
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“What has Islam ever done for the world? Islam was siding with Hitler and they are still the same if not even worse.”
Of no merit.
“The reason I mentioned Stalin is because of all the people he killed, mostly his own.”
So this excuses his murders? Not in the sane world, it doesn’t. Currently most victims of murder by muslims, are also mulsims… really counts for a lot,….. NOT!!
” He was a monster but he was a greater threat to an ordinary Russian than he was to anyone else.”
He was very likely murdered by his own underlings, to prevent his launching a nuclear first strike against the west…. And again, Eastern Europeans were murdered before, during and after the war…
“This is during peace time. We don’t have a conventional war now and during this time we should feel safe in our homes, streets and places of work but we don’t. During Soviet Times we didn’t worry about being beheaded in the streets.”
Oh no, we merely had to be worried about being incinerated in nuclear wars…. or poisoned be by chemical or biological means.
“This is the only point I was trying to make not trying to say that Soviet Union was fine. USSR were a huge problem for Russians after the war ended”
Except for the cuban missile crisis, false front ‘peace’ groups in the west…. backing murder squads in South America… Invading Afghanistan, incursions into the Caribbean….
.” Islam is a huge problem for us all”
Even a broken clock….
Peggy says
You have a problem with Soviet Union invading Afghanistan but not the US doing the exact same thing? The very Muslims that the US trained are the ones they have to fight now. If the US left Soviet union to take care of business there and even helped them then we wouldn’t have Afghanistan problem any longer.
Cuban Missile Crisis was a product of both, the US and USSR. It takes two to tango in an arms race.
I am not excusing anything that the Soviet Union did but comparing it with Islam is not right at all.
Like I said, nobody had to worry about being beheaded in the street of Paris because of USSR. The reason people were worried is because countries, USSR and the US were looking after their own interests but hey they worked it out which means that at the end of the day if was possible because both were rational enough.
Try working anything out with the Muslims. Good luck with that one. They want to conquer the world and enslave all of us under Sharia. The USSR wasn’t about enslave the whole world.
Both superpowers wanted control of Europe. It just so happens that the US got control of it by having control of the UN for a very long time.
Talking about South America is not a good example of how not to do things. The US in trying to control that region was responsible for a lot of deaths while deposing leaders in those countries. Yes, it did happen. Both the US and the USSR are guilty of screwing up and causing massive casualties. In order to control countries around the world both went to war at an enormous human cost to the people of those countries. Remember Korea, Vietnam and then the US went further and got involved in Iraq which sparked the rest.
Both are equally guilty but Islam is far worse than both put together so comparing Islam either one is wrong.
Western Canadian says
You are utterly unreal……
“You have a problem with Soviet Union invading Afghanistan but not the US doing the exact same thing?”
Apples and oranges. Which buildings in the USSR had muslims attacked first??
“The very Muslims that the US trained are the ones they have to fight now.”
No, most of the ones who fought the russians are very very old, or dead. And the training consisted on how to use stinger missiles…. Hardly the same.
“If the US left Soviet union to take care of business there and even helped them then we wouldn’t have Afghanistan problem any longer.”
And what business were they taking care of, besides the unprovoked murder of civilians.
“Cuban Missile Crisis was a product of both, the US and USSR. It takes two to tango in an arms race.”
And exactly how did the US force the soviets to arm the greatest mass murderers in the western hemisphere??? You are an idiot.
“I am not excusing anything that the Soviet Union did”
No, that is exactly what you are doing. And failing miserably at. The question is why.
“but comparing it with Islam is not right at all.”
Infiltration of all other political systems, subversion of education structure, media, false front groups to influence public opinion based on lies, slander and smears. Murder of dissidents and apostates…. Fascism is fascism is fascism.. Why are you trying to pretend otherwise.
“Like I said, nobody had to worry about being beheaded in the street of Paris because of USSR.”
Since the soviets didn’t cut off heads while screaming the praise of their non-existent god, they were just fine in your book….. This is what you are saying.
“The reason people were worried is because countries, USSR and the US were looking after their own interests”
And on what planet was this? The soviets NEVER left other political systems or countries alone, and only an absolute moron or a liar would claim otherwise. Criminal occupation of Eastern European countries that were transformed into police states is just fine with you.
“but hey they worked it out which means that at the end of the day if was possible”
The criminal police state based in russia and oppressing people over most of the rest of the world collapsed. With help from 3 very unusual people in power, and hundreds of thousands who were tired of being victims of soviet fascism. You are fabricating or repeating lies.
” because both were rational enough.”
We were all very lucky, that Gorby was unlike those who proceeded him in power in the ussr.
“Try working anything out with the Muslims.”
There is exactly one way to ‘work’ with muslims: keep them down. VERY down.
“Good luck with that one.”
It worked before, and can work again.
“They want to conquer the world and enslave all of us under Sharia. The USSR wasn’t about enslave the whole world.”
Are you really that ignorant, or are you lying again? The soviets were both foaming at the mouth with the intent of enslaving the whole world under communism, And drooling at the prospect of succeeding. Oppression of Eastern Europe in criminal police states, backing muslims against Israel…. Could you be more of a fool or a bigger liar?
“Both superpowers wanted control of Europe.”
The US had relations with Western Europe. Your heros had police states murdering the populations of Easter Europe. Yes, you can be both more of a fool and a bigger liar.
” It just so happens that the US got control of it by having control of the UN for a very long time.”
Again, on what planet.
“Talking about South America is not a good example of how not to do things. The US in trying to control that region was responsible for a lot of deaths while deposing leaders in those countries.’
Trying to keep the soviets out of south America. Yes, they did a very poor job of it. English is not your first language, is it.
“Yes, it did happen. Both the US and the USSR are guilty of screwing up and causing massive casualties. In order to control countries around the world both went to war at an enormous human cost to the people of those countries.”
Whoever taught you history, lied a lot.;
“Remember Korea, Vietnam”
Communist backed North Korea invaded South Korea. And were kicked back by multiple countries, including Canada. That one can be compared to the west fighting back against hitler, or muslims. Same in Vietnam…. which stood until the dems betrayed south Vietnam.
“and then the US went further and got involved in Iraq which sparked the rest.”
Your ignorance and hatred of the US are both inexcusable. But then you also hate the RC church (which i have no fondness for)…… ‘the rest’??? The loss of Iraq and Afghanistan are due in part to bush, but much more so to obama…. The bulk of the revival of islam, can be laid at the feet of the fascist influence that islam has put in place, including the white house.
“Both are equally guilty”
No, both are not equally guilty. You are sickening in your ignorance/dishonesty.
“but Islam is far worse than both put together so comparing Islam either one is wrong”
Islam has murdered an average of 20,000,000 people a century. Atheistic communism murder over 100,000,000 million in a single century.
Comparing islam and communism to anything but each other, is wrong.
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Roy C says
Peggy – I’ve followed some of your opinions in the past and fully understand your attempt to put Islam and Communism in some sort of context as far as the threat posed to most westerners. Honest Jihadists are quite open in their admiration for Hitler and I suspect this goes deeper still even with ordinary Muslims who take the Qur’an seriously. One thing that drives even today’s Russians insane is the widespread belief that the West took down Hitler with Soviet assistance. It was quite the other way around of course. I do wish you had pointed out that Churchill also was the first world leader to warn in no uncertain terms of the long term threat posed by militant Islam. Which is why Barak Hussein Obama despises his memory and got rid of the white house bust. Stated reason – no room for it in a 55,000 sq ft mansion. Reaction in our press? None to speak of. You tried to point out that Islam is the slightly greater of the two evil ideologies without excusing the evil of communism. Seemed on point to me.
Peggy says
I am not trying to excuse the evil of anything. What I am trying to do is point out the evil in every system and both “democracy” and Communism have been guilty of horrible crimes but nothing compares to Islam. Yes, Churchill was a great man but my point was not made with him in mind. The reason I put democracy in quotes is because there is no such thing. We are all hurded like sheep and instructed how to think by our very controlled media.
I do wish to tell you that I do appreciate the way you responded to me, I do not hate the west nor do I hate the Catholic church. Just because I criticize both sometimes does not mean I hate them but in Western Canadian’s world unless you agree with him you must hate.
My point is that I can see that both systems can be very wrong and violent and throwing mud at only one is not being smart. If we cannot see the wrong in both we are discrediting our argument because our bias is showing.
I agree that Communism has hurt a lot of people around the world but tell that to the victims of US democracy which has bombed the Hell out of millions of people too.
US style democracy has hurt a lot of people around the world but tell that to the victims of Communist agression. The US and USSR were superpowers and you don’t get to be that without violence and bloodshed.
There are many ways to control other countries. Some are obvious but some are not.
Western Canadian says
Your obtuse and ignorant drivel has rendered you deaf and blind. You are staggeringly ignorant, and have, contrary to your evasions, tried to whitewash soviet crimes against humanity, while lying and trying to claim the US is just as evil. I do not ‘hate’ you, I pity you. To remain as ignorant and as dishonest as you are, takes a lot of time and effort, but you manage to do it.
As you have not even tried to answer for ANY of the falsehoods that I have exposed, but instead continue in the same vein, I can only conclude that you are a dried up, leftover fan of the soviets….. When the rest of the world celebrated the wall coming down, you probably cried your eyes out.
And by the way, the US is not a democracy, it is a REPUBLIC, which is a very different and much more trust worthy creation…. Sadly, Franklin was right about the threat of not keeping it….. It has become very much less ‘of the people’, thanks to people like you, and the soviets you love so dearly.
John says
1. “…Obama, Cameron, Abbott, Manuel Valls, Angela Merkel, all of them know that all this Islamic jihad carried out in the name of Islam and in explicit accord with the Qur’an and Muhammad’s example has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.” This is False, unless we accept that they are all either delusional, liars, or stupid.
2. “No one has broken ranks…” This is True, at least publicly.
3. “…or declared that they’re going to be realistic and call the jihadis what they call themselves…” Also True, publicly. What they declare privately to themselves, to other private circles, or to each other off the record is unknown. See #1.
It appears that western leaders have chosen to continue to work uniformly and quietly with the vastly larger majority of Muslim governments for them to take the lead in culling its own herd. For the West this now seems to be the more prudent choice. So far results have been mixed. The good news? Nothing lasts forever. The bad news? Nothing lasts forever.
AuthorLee says
I thought Ausies were independent free men and women with good old common sense. How in the name of God (perhaps Allah) did you elect this fool?
particolor says
Well everyone I know wonders how the Whatsit got in ?? Nobody will admit to voting for Him ??
And I just heard on the News we will be now Banking in China ??
Do You take Hwan ? or whatever ? *$#(*$@(*
Peggy says
It was a case of bad or worse. Abbott government promissed to stop the boats and that was a huge reason why I gave my vote to him. Must admit, he has stopped the boats but they are flying in now. At least we can control who gets in this way. The previous government had open border policy when it came to Muslim illegals. They just kept arriving and nothing was being done about it.
If we had left Labor in power we would have tens of thousands boat people arriving since the election. Tony has done what he said he would do and now he is wanting to take citizenship away from the terrorists who go out of this country and fight. I have issues with Liberals as well but my primary concern was to stop as many as possible from reaching our shores.
particolor says
Been to Mascot Airport lately ? I thought I overslept and woke up in Dubai ? 🙂
Peggy says
I live in Melbourne but there are plenty of suburbs here where you see moving tents.
They invade certain suburbs and soon there will be no go areas here just like in France. So far the suburb I live in has been relatively free of Muslims but a few have moved in lately.
All the markets are infested with them. All you see is burquas everywhere.
I miss the way Melbourne was.
particolor says
Moving Tents ! 🙂 🙂
that reminded me of when I was in the Scouts in the 60’s ! One of the Scouts Decided to Sleep Walk and took the tent with him !! There were Terrified Scouts in Gum Trees everywhere ! 🙂 🙂
infidave says
And I was handing out credit to Tony Abbot for introducing new anti terror laws. Some of his statements recently had promise when he mentioned stripping citizenship for supporters of true islam then he comes out with this.
Zaky Mallah today made a video on you tube waving his passport around taunting and gloating to Tony Abbot personally that he still had his passport.
If Mallah is not deported after this what hope do we have?
particolor says
I think Tony got told there to stick it up his nose !! And Just try getting us out You Dhimmi !
Savant says
I find it hard to believe that these government leaders with all their specialist advisers,
(some of whom are professors of history and Islamic studies), don’t know what they are dealing with.
It appears that they are deliberately trying to play on the ignorance of the masses and the desire of the mainstream Muslims, – to have a normal life,- while they hope to pacify the Muslims and calm the masses.
I think the reality is though, that although we are all born in SIN, only some of us have been drawn by TRUTH, and found Christ.
A large % of us in the valley of decision, only manage to come to some pragmatic conclusions about our sinfulness, that enables us to box on while trying to avoid temptation, and therefore avoid further harm to ourselves and others.
— Unfortunately, until one knows oneself to have been crucified with Christ, then one is necessarily under the spirit of Death, ( or Mohammad’s Allah, by another name), and are infidels, just as Muslims are; and for that reason, after the killing becomes so intolerable, the masses will accept the totalitarian NWO, that promises “Peace”, while haply denying the Christ who has already conquered Sin and Death and made all remedies against sin legally available to us.
Infidels know not that the times we live in, since Christ’s death and resurrection, are a time of testing of our belief in God’s goodness, while we await the redemption of our bodies, and while His enemies stake their positions, before death will be done away with .
The only power that Allah-Satan has is deception and death. This is the power that Satan, using Islam, wields over the living. Christ said,”I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do. “But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!…
The masses prefer the darkness of ignorance and futile lives ending with death, because they love their sin and the death that we all know we deserve for sin.
I’m not sure whether “eternal” torment is real. Maybe there is a judged personally specific amount of torment for the un-redeemed, and then eternal death.
But is eternal death really a cessation of existence, or could it be eternal consciousness of nothing,and knowing that one has missed out on everything ?
Jude 1:13 says:- “They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.”
There’s a whole lot of the most important Truths, that most of us don’t know much about. The prospect of being murdered by a devil worshiper when you least expect it should serve as a warning to get to the bottom of our deepest questions and find out if Christ is who He says he is, or do we
just live and die like dogs for no good reason after all.
particolor says
After watching the News lately, Excuse Me for thinking I live in the land of Gays and Muslims !!
Peggy says
So far only Andrew Bolt has the guts to talk about this issue. He isn’t going far enough but doing a reasonable job anyway.
I watch The Bolt Report every Sunday at 10am on Ten. It gets repeated at 4pm as well.
The rest of the media, especially ABC is so far up Muslims’ behinds that it’s criminal.
particolor says
Some of their Staff are a bit Sus as well ! 🙂
Aton says
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This is a good article in the HeraldSun countering the PMs remarks.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt-its-time-to-end-this-lie-about-islam/story-fni0ffxg-1227419023946?nk=4c0767a932566cfe76b496171348f994-1435593423&memtype=anonymous
Western Canadian says
Still waiting for the ‘subscribers only’ screen to finish loading…..
If a site is SUBSCRIPTION ONLY, it is rather useless to 99.9% of the people here.
particolor says
Jaw Flapping is a Canberran Tradition ! 🙂
For God sake don’t force them into doing something Constructive !
Peggy says
Fifth Colums is alive and well in the west. Wait a minute, that’s our governments. What do you do when your own government is the Fifth Column?
particolor says
Purchase a Black Letterbox Suit ! And a Prayer Mat !
underbed cat says
Russia has a problem with Muslims like Europe…Beslan School, large population..and terror attacks. I was very ignorant about the population mix until I met a Russian who made a strong comment..it seemed heartless… I was going thru a period of compassion and found that upsetting. I had started to feel that many were serene…but it was temporary and I had forgotten the barbaric descriptions I had been told about from a muslim schoolmate..who gave me a truthful description. As years went by and terror attacks around the world increased i began to remember and became affected by the events. I have much more knowledge now after reading the commands, methods and ideology. Not so good.