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Brad Thor’s message for Pamela Geller’s critics: You are pansies

Jun 13, 2015 4:36 am By Robert Spencer

Brad-thor3This is the age of cowardice — masked as “respect” and “avoiding provocation” — and so Brad Thor is right. I am proud to call both Brad Thor and Pamela Geller my friends. If future ages revere courage at all, which is an open question in this weak and pusillanimous age, they will be remembered, and honored.

“Brad Thor’s message for Pamela Geller’s critics: You are pansies,” by Benjamin Weingarten, The Blaze, June 12, 2015:

Author Brad Thor is not one to mince words when it comes to defending free speech and challenging jihadists.

So it should come as no surprise that during an in-depth interview in connection with his forthcoming “Code of Conduct,” when the topic of Islamic supremacism versus the West came up — and in particular the Garland, TX shooting — sparks were going to fly.

Listen to what Brad had to say below, and for a sneak peek at the creepy enviro-globalist agenda at the heart of “Code of Conduct,” Brad’s assessment of the threats to the homeland and how to take it to Islamic supremacists and his endorsement for president in 2016, you can skip to the full interview here.

And I don’t care who criticized her…You are weak, and you’re a pansy for not standing behind her

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The First Amendment exists to protect speech you don’t agree with. It actually is there — if all that was worthy of protection was speech everybody agreed with, we wouldn’t need the First Amendment. OK.

So you don’t have to agree with what Pamela Geller is doing, but my G-d, Pamela Geller is doing more to help reform Islam than any pansy on the left or right who is criticizing her.

And I don’t care who criticized her. I don’t care who it is: You are weak, and you’re a pansy for not standing behind her.

It makes no sense to me that you would not support someone who is trying to bring about reform in one of the most dangerous ideologies since Nazism. And it actually predates Nazism, so I can’t say it’s since Nazism.

This idea that Pamela Geller somehow deserved what they got — and she’s making it worse for people. You know I heard people say “Well why provoke all Muslims?” She’s not trying to provoke all Muslims. She’s trying to provoke a discussion.

And moderate Muslims should not be offended by the depiction of their Prophet Muhammad. They can say it’s in their book … Islam is the only major world religion that has not had a reformation. Judaism has. Christianity has. Islam has not.

And … I would encourage you to please link to probably one of the best articles ever written about the West and how we are pandering to fundamentalist Islam. It was actually — I don’t know that you do a lot of links to the Huffington Post — but it was on the Huffington Post and it was written by Sam Harris, who is on Bill Maher a lot. And Sam’s an agnostic.

And Sam wrote a great article called “Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks.” And he talks about the fact that we have allowed a protected space to be carved out in the public square where every other group is expected to debate rationally on the playing field of ideas, except for Islam.

We can go ahead and talk about Catholicism, Mormonism, Buddhism, Hinduism, but we can’t critique and discuss the tenets of Islam. And that’s because we are hamstringing ourselves.

And Islam needs more attention, more criticism, not less. If we don’t criticize Islam and put pressure on Islam, how do you expect reformers and again moderates to have the wind at their backs, the wind in their sails to have them do the work that needs to be done? Because we as non-Muslims can’t affect any change.

All we do, like I said, we get our civil liberties eroded.

It’s longer lines at TSA for those of us who can’t reform Islam.

We need to do everything we can to help reform it. And reforming Islam means we have to draw attention to all its failings.

It’s only when people are shown “Hey, the house is full of termites,” that maybe they’re gonna stop spending money on cable and tons of beer, and start applying the money to fixing their own house.

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  1. Rezali Mehil says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 5:30 am

    Salaam to the Brad Thor….

    Allah SWT give me strength ….What a loud-mouth…folks you need to lose that everything is big in America (SIB). It does not adhere you to the rest of humanity.

    He says that there is no discussion on Islam….Islam is the MOST talked about religion in the history of religions ever. …everyone talks about it. The daily mail or the New York times for example will carry several articles about it *everyday* …(Christianity is a forgotten religion in comparison)..

    It’s people and cultures are dissected minutely by writers/journalists/talk shows everyday….Linde, Champ …you know he’s lying…doggone it …why say a lie like that.

    Pamela didn’t want to provoke a discussion …she wanted to poke fun at it and humiliate it and it’s 1.25 billion believers. There was no discussion on her part or Greet… I think that Daniel Pipes is the only one who genuinely wants some dialogue. CAIR keep trying …but is always held at arms length by Mr. Spencer and Pamela.

    These days..in the West… Muslims from the age of 2 are monitored…is Bismillah being said into their ear last thing at night. Why do they want to become Abdullah? … you cannot understand so you hit out like this man.

    I think it best if Mr. Thor joined Islam say for 6 months…see what it is like and *then* say what he has to say. You are allowed to say what you want to… by first being inside …and then say what you have to say. I have offered this olive branch to Graven and Mirren …Champ …and even Linde, Carolyne…but all have been turned down…because you are hypocrites….it’s one law for you and one for Muslims.

    Join 1st and then talk.

    More Later …

    Rezali

    • sencit says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 5:50 am

      Christianity is anything but a “forgotten religion”. The reason islam is spoken about at all is because of it’s inhumanity and violence. You should leave that vile and evil ideology and join the human race.
      There is only one way to God and that is through His Son.
      Until islam forced it’s way into the West claiming ‘asylum’, many people had never thought of it at all – now we find it loathesome and uncivilised, utterly depraved and evil.

      • Mirren10 says

        Jun 14, 2015 at 4:20 pm

        I see rezali is back again, trying to purvey more of his ham-fisted dawah.

        ”Allah SWT give me strength ….What a loud-mouth…folks you need to lose that everything is big in America (SIB). It does not adhere you to the rest of humanity.”

        Even for rezali, this is particularly impenetrable. Heaven knows what he’s trying to say.

        ”He says that there is no discussion on Islam….Islam is the MOST talked about religion in the history of religions ever. …everyone talks about it.”

        Well, yes. A religion that bases its MO on murder, rape, theft. torture, paedophilia, and destruction, *does* rather tend to be a talking point.

        ”It’s people and cultures are dissected minutely by writers/journalists/talk shows everyday….Linde, Champ …you know he’s lying…doggone it …why say a lie like that”

        Of course, what Brad Thor is saying, is that very few people are actually prepared to discuss **what islam really means/teaches**, and how that is perpetuated by its adherents. Instead, the majority of the msm, politicians et al, prefer to go along with the obscene nonsense of those who say, ”this isn’t true islam”, etc, etc,

        ”Pamela didn’t want to provoke a discussion …she wanted to poke fun at it and humiliate it and it’s 1.25 billion believers.”

        Well, of course, islam is eminently eligible as a candidate for being poked fun at, but rezali’s characterisation of the mohammed cartoon contest as merely being an opportunity to poke fun at islam, is widely off the mark. Naturally, as a benighted mohammedan, he doesn’t grasp the concept of free speech, and the refusal of free infidels to bow to the ukases of sharia.

        The mohammed cartoon contest was, in fact, a **defiance** of the islamic/sharia demand that drawing mohammed is blasphemy, to be punished with death. A public disavowal of all that sharia crap, and an underlining of the fact, that we, as free human beings, will **never** bow to sharia demands.

        ” I think that Daniel Pipes is the only one who genuinely wants some dialogue”

        An endorsement of Daniel Pipes, by the likes of rezali ? I’ve always thought Pipes was rather equivocal on islam – my feeling has just been endorsed. a Nazi who endorsed the Judenrat was a figure to be despised. I don’t despise Pipes, but I shall be **very** wary of him in the future.

        ”CAIR keep trying …but is always held at arms length by Mr. Spencer and Pamela.”

        CAIR was an inindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land trial, and has a record of whitewashing jihadm islamic violence, and has advised muslims not to co-operate with the FBI. Exactly **why** should Robert Spencer or Pamela Geller clutch this incubus to their bosoms ?

        ”These days..in the West… Muslims from the age of 2 are monitored…is Bismillah being said into their ear last thing at night. Why do they want to become Abdullah?”

        More gobbledygook from rezali. God knows what *that* is supposed to mean.

        ”I think it best if Mr. Thor joined Islam say for 6 months…see what it is like and *then* say what he has to say. You are allowed to say what you want to… by first being inside …and then say what you have to say.”

        Shrieks !

        As if anyone inside this foul cult is ”allowed to say what you want to” ! rezali knows, as well as we do, what happens to mohammedans who dare to question anything in islam. Your stupidity is only overreached by your mendacity.

        ”I have offered this olive branch to Graven and Mirren …Champ …and even Linde, Carolyne”

        Here, rezali is referring to his baleful attempts to ‘invite us to islam’. None of us, of course, would ever contemplate such a descent into hell, but old rezali keeps trying to proffer this poisoned fruit, as if it was a delicious piece of toffee.

        ”it’s one law for you and one for Muslims.”

        On the contrary, it’s one rule for muslims, and **no rule** for anyone else, except the arbitrary and vile rule of sharia.

        Failed again, rezali; sue dawah school, and try and get your money back, you’re an abject, humiliating, and embarrassing disaster.

        Hey, rezali, old ramadana dingdong’s coming up soon, n’est ce pas ? Keep us posted on how your weight balloons, over this islamic period of selfless fasting, and contemplation of the wonderful koran, whilst you eschew *lunch*, but gobble your way through gargantuan meals between sunset and sunrise.. 🙂

        More layer, chumbawumba !

        • Angemon says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 4:37 pm

          Mirren10 posted:

          “An endorsement of Daniel Pipes, by the likes of rezali ?”

          It’s only logical. Daniel Pipes recently criticized the Garland art exhibit, the AFDI (or was it SIOA) bus ads, and Robert and Pamela for being behind them. Why wouldn’t a devout muslim say “Daniel Pipes is the new prototype for critics of islam, forget everyone else”?

        • Champ says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 9:53 pm

          Great response, Mirren10!!

    • Parousia says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 7:11 am

      Hey Rezali. You were taught that Christians are not fit to live. Have you ever thought about becoming a Christian first before you accept what you are thought?
      So if I want to know a person’s character I have to become that person rather than observe his/her character…

      Try becoming Brad for 6mins before you criticize him

      Islamologic is really killing you guys…

      • Champ says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 5:45 pm

        Try becoming Brad for 6mins before you criticize him

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Touché!! 🙂

      • claudeaguilera says

        Jun 15, 2015 at 11:46 am

        Can’t argue with megalomaniacs! I S L A M= _Intolerent _Seditious _Liturgy _Advocating _Murder. Pass it on!

    • DP111 says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 7:11 am

      Every day on TV i see reports on burglaries, rapes, robberies and other criminal activities.

      It is clear that decent law abiding people, and their code of morality and life, have been forgotten. It is the criminals and the criminal code of ethics that is the talk of town. Moreover, in this criminal polity is included not just the rapes and robberies but another element that engages in Jihad terrorism, FGM, rapes for political/religious purposes, and sexual slavery.

      But thats the way of the MSM – Sex and violence sells.

    • DP111 says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 7:16 am

      Rezali Mehil

      Do you thank allah everyday that you live in a Christian country? If not, you should. So should all those tens of millions of Muslims desperate to leave dar al Islam, and live in Christian countries.

      • vickie says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 7:34 am

        Rezali Mehil Long time no see. You my friend remain the funniest comedian I know!!

    • Tom P says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 7:32 am

      “It does not adhere you to the rest of humanity.” – I for one am thankful America is not adhered to the rest of humanity. It sounds unpleasant.

      Of course Islam is talked about. Serial killers and rapists tend to be get a lot of discussion in the press. And Islam = Ted Bundy times 1 million.

    • tt says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 7:51 am

      Pamela didn’t want to provoke a discussion …she wanted to poke fun at it and humiliate it and it’s 1.25 billion believers. There was no discussion on her part or Greet…
      ___________________

      This is just bullshit written by a delicate little snowflake.

      Its called satire. Its legal and Constitutional.

      Killing for vengeance against satire is flatly illegal based on any US State law.

      There is no physical threat to anyone from satire.

      Fundamentalist muslims are such emotionally delicate little snowflakes…

      They are stunted at grade school level emotionality and very dangerous because of that.

      If you dont like the satire, look away. Every other religion does that and avoids killing the authors of satire.

      If you dont like the US and want sharia, GTFO and go live in your caliphate.

      In the US we live under the Constitution and State law based on 500 years of codified English common law.

    • Buraq says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 7:53 am

      @ Rezali Mehil, the benighted bint from Islam

      You’re a five-star clown! Baggy-trousered, red-nosed and wire-wigged. You are an idiot of the first order. Listen, you clown, Islam is total nonsense because your self-proclaimed prophet pretended to receive revelations from an angel he described as having 600 wings!

      “Ibn Mas’ud informed us that the Prophet had seen Gabriel having 600 wings.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455)

      But outer space is a freezing vacuum. So, how could an angel fly between ‘Heaven’ and Earth? Wings are totally useless in space, you clown. They cannot provide impulse of any kind. And as angels are depicted as having noses and mouths, one can deduce that they have lungs, lungs that are used to pass oxygen into the (warm?) blood stream.

      But there is no oxygen in outer space, you idiot. So, Islam is a sham, a hollow sham, because your lying prophet said that he received revelations from an angel, Gabriel, who had 600 wings! Epic fail!

      • Jaladhi says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 2:08 pm

        Hey, hey Buraq, you are being rational and having a gray matter that can think and you are expecting the same from a Muslim!! But you know poor Muslims don’t have that capacity as they are all brain dead since Mo/allah made them so, he doesn’t allow Muslims to think!

      • Concerned says

        Jun 14, 2015 at 4:29 am

        @Buraq
        The problem is not with the physics of angels, which do not exist, so their properties are irrelevant. The problem is that Muhammad made the whole thing up. He wrote the Quran, the “perfect” book, to justify his “perfect,” criminal life and to attract a band of warrior followers. A bigger problem is that people believe that this stuff has divine origins.

        ————————

        Back to topic. I liked Brad Thor’s article. We definitely need thousands of Pamela Gellers. I particularly liked the Sam Harris’ reference, “Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks” (see link), which makes a crystal clear case for not caving in to Islamists. Read Harris’ piece if you have not done so.

        • Conservative Canuck says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 10:08 am

          Agree entirely. And may I add…
          Mo got his “revelations” depending upon his desires of the day? Want another wife? Allah says you can have 4. Want to screw a child? Allah says you can do it. All religions fall suspect to how much man-intervention there was in drafting the word of God. But there can be no doubt whatsoever that Islam is all the work of a sadistic, madman pedophile. And the followers who can’t see this are either 1. Afraid. 2. Been indoctrinated at such a young age, they’ll believe anything. 3. Lacking basic intelligence on a genetic basis.
          And it’s probably a combination of all three in most cases.

    • oldwhiteguy says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 8:28 am

      when the evil that is islam is wiped from the face of the earth the planet will start to heal.

      • Gary says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 8:57 am

        “It’s people and cultures are dissected minutely by writers/journalists/talk shows everyday.”

        And how many muslims are PHYSICALLY dissected by the West? How many women and children are raped and beheaded by the West? Yet you believe Daniel Pipes is the only one in the West who genuinely wants some dialogue?

        I’ve got two words for your…. “Dialogue”

        Asia Bibi

        • oldwhiteguy says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 8:33 am

          dialogue is not possible with the followers of islam because it is always a one way street.

    • Stardusty Psyche says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 9:38 am

      “I think it best if Mr. Thor joined Islam say for 6 months”
      Problem is that’s a one way ticket…the punishment for apostasy is death.

      And how does one just up and join a religion? Don’t you have to believe first? Why would anybody just up and say they believe every word some guy 1400 years ago claimed was told to him by an angel over a period of 22 years? Sure, let’s all just start believing in suicidal homicidal jihad, enslaving and raping, polygamy, child marriage, and fairy tales about travel on a winged horse…

      If pigs could fly…

      • mortimer says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 10:09 am

        Agree with Star…

        WE GET THE JOKE!

        Rezali wrote: “Join 1st and then talk.”

        Yes, yes…Step 1) join Islam, Step 2) leave Islam, Step 3) get murdered by Muslim vigilante as an apostate.

        Very funny.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 10:52 am

        No, you do not have to believe first. Islam only requires submission.

        An example of what “no compulsion in religion” really means. Muhammad said :”I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me” (Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13).

        This was a declaration of war to force non-Muslims to “bear testimony”–embrace Islam–with their words and behavior. Nothing about believing in it. “Invitation first (that is, call them first to embrace Islam). If they refuse, then war.”

        “When Muhammad and his followers were about to attack Mecca to subjugate it to Islam, his adherents arrested Abu Sufyan, one of Mecca’s inhabitants. They brought him to Muhammad. Muhammad told him: “Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to realize that there is no God but the only God?” Abu Sufyan answered: “I do believe that.” Muhammad then said to him: “Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to know that I am the apostle of God?” Abu Sufyan answered: “By God, O Muhammad, of this there is doubt in my soul.” The ’Abbas who was present with Muhammad told Abu Sufyan: “Woe to you! Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad is the apostle of God before your neck is cut off by the sword.” Thus he professed the faith of Islam and became a Muslim.”
        –Ibn Hisham, part 4, p. 11 (“Biography of the Prophet’); Ibn Kathir, “The Prophetic Biography”, part 3, p. 549, and “The Beginning and the End”; “The Chronicle of the Tabari”, part 2, p. 157

        The (late) Azhar scholar, Dr. Muhammad Sa’id Ramadan al-Buti expounded on this episode for those who object faith should not be imposed by the threat of death:
        “It may be said, ‘What is the value of a faith in Islam which is a result of a threat? Abu Sufyan, one moment ago, was not a believer, then he believed after he was threatened by death.’ We say to those who question: ‘What is required of an infidel or the one who confuses other gods with God, is to have his tongue surrender to the religion of God and to subdue himself to the prophethood of Muhammad. But his heartfelt faith is not required at the beginning. It will come later.”’
        —“The Jurisprudence of Muhammad’s Biography”, p. 277.

        “Muhammad sent Khalid Ibn al-Walid to the tribe of the children of Haritha and told him: ‘Call them to accept Islam before you fight with them. If they respond, accept that from them, but if they refuse, fight them.’ Khalid told them: ‘Accept Islam and spare your life.’ They entered Islam by force. He brought them to Muhammad. Muhammad said to them: ‘Had you not accepted Islam I would have cast your heads under your feet”’
        –(Ibn Hisham “The Biography of the Apostle”, pt 4, pg.134)

        They “entered Islam by force”. Just as Abu Sufyan “converted” rather than have his head removed. They were not asked to believe anything. This remained the case for pagans, Jews & Christians were given a provisional third choice to pay jizya and live as dhimmis (and cash cows) but with the same two choices facing them in the breach, convert or die. “The poll-tax is to be paid by the Christian or the Jew forcibly and submissively. It is to spare their lives; that is, they pay it in lieu of being killed because if they did not pay it, they would be killed unless they intended to become Muslims, then they would be exempted from paying it.” -Ibn Hisham

        The words Muslims use are not to be taken at face value, they likely mean something quite different in an Islamic context than what we think they mean.

        • abad says

          Jun 13, 2015 at 12:06 pm

          I personally think that Islam should be labeled as The Religion Without Clear Thinking. Much more suitable than Religion of Peace.”

        • Stardusty Psyche says

          Jun 13, 2015 at 8:12 pm

          Hi Jack Diamond,
          Thanks very much indeed for that aspect of Islamic doctrine. I had known it was necessary to verbally acknowledge Allah and Muhammad but I was not aware that insincere acknowledgement as an indication of submission was the criteria, as opposed to sincere belief.

        • Concerned says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 3:24 pm

          Thanks for the explanation of forced submission ti Allah. Very interesting. This is just one more example of how irrational Islam is.

          Similarly, a Muslim could take a woman and threaten to cut off her head unless she says “I love you.” Then, when she says it, you marry her. She will love you eventually. Really, you could skip the whole allegiance act and just rape her to begin with. It is exactly the same thing for the woman. The former is the approved method of Islam, and the latter is what Westerners think of Islam.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 5:09 pm

          They believe they are doing the kaffir a favor. A captive woman does have the option of becoming a Muslima and a wife by converting as she would be coerced to do. This pleases Allah and Muhammad (yes, Allah has a partner) and gives her a shot for an afterlife that’s not the eternal torment awaiting the kuffar. This is how Allah is merciful.
          (It also puts an end to her having kaffir babies).

          Allah has a program (fitrah), and it reveals that all human beings are born Muslim. That is their original nature and it binds them to Allah as a slave to their master. Allah has rights over them, so does Muhammad, to quote Ibn Taymiyah: “Allah has substituted Muhammad for Himself in all matters for commanding and forbidding and revealing. No distinction is to be made between Allah and His Messenger in any of these matters”.
          So you are all Muslims too, just that you don’t know it yet and and your kaffir world and man-made laws made you a non-Muslim and in rebellion. You are rebels and by definition aggressors against Islam with your rejection of Allah and Muhammad. That rejection in itself is a crime– it is fitna, discord, dissension, and remember fitna is worse than a slaughter. Jihad is always defensive in that sense, the aggression comes first from you.

          The point is they aren’t just punishing you, though they are certainly doing that (or rather Allah says he is doing it through them) they are returning you to the fold, by force if necessary. Jihad is part of the Da’wa Call. You are first invited to Islam, remember. The spread and conquest of Islam includes your reversion (not conversion), reversion to Islam voluntarily or by force. It’s all good. If you are killed in your rebellion and rejection, well that’s good too. You deserve that and worse.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 10:24 am

      Rezali Mehil posted:

      “folks you need to lose that everything is big in America”

      Why? Does that make you feel inadequate?

      “CAIR keep trying …but is always held at arms length by Mr. Spencer and Pamela.”

      Hamas-linked CAIR was deemed as a terrorist organization by the UAE. Not exactly the kind of organization one would want to give prime time or present as representing all muslims.

      “These days..in the West… Muslims from the age of 2 are monitored…”

      Bismillah! No, we will not let you go. (Let him go!)
      Bismillah! We will not let you go. (Let him go!)
      Bismillah! We will not let you go. (Let me go!)
      Will not let you go. (Let me go!)
      Never, never let you go
      Never let me go, oh.
      No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

      “I think it best if Mr. Thor joined Islam say for 6 months…see what it is like and *then* say what he has to say. You are allowed to say what you want to… by first being inside
      (…)
      Join 1st and then talk.
      ”

      Let’s apply Rezali’s “logic” of “you need to join islam to criticize islam” to halal scenarios:

      One needs marry a six-year-old girl and have sex when she reaches nine in order to speak of muhammad and Aisha.

      One needs to cross dress in order to speak about muhammad dressing up in Aisha’s clothes.

      One needs to kill someone for apostasy in order to speak against the death penalty for apostasy in islam.

      One needs to slit the throat of an wake animal while mumbling mumbo-jumbo in order to criticize halal slaughtering.

      One needs to go under FGM in order to speak against FGM.

      None of that makes sense because the logic behind it is flawed. No one needs to abuse children in order to condemn child abuse. No one needs to torture animals in order to condemn animal torture. Of course, in Rezali’s world, no one doing those sorts of things would ever criticize them because their necks would be on the line. Don’t talk about the bull in the china shop or you get the horns. Break the china or you get the horns.

    • alan says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 10:40 am

      Is this the VERBAL Jihad that Moslems like you engage in when politically powerless? Leave Islam! Coward. Maybe you can’t because you are scared of its death penalty? Islam is not a religion. It cannot be a religion if it has a death penalty for those who leave it. It is a fascist ideology.

    • abad says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 12:02 pm

      Christianity is hardly a forgotten religion.

      Islam is so weak it needs to rely upon the media in order to make it popular. How pathetic is that.

    • Mo says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 12:31 pm

      @ Rezali Mehil

      “Allah SWT give me strength ….What a loud-mouth…folks you need to lose that everything is big in America (SIB). It does not adhere you to the rest of humanity.”

      Learn how to write in at least semi-coherent English so you can be understood.

      “He says that there is no discussion on Islam….Islam is the MOST talked about religion in the history of religions ever. …everyone talks about it.”

      Gee, could that be because for 1400 Islam has been responsible for nonstop bloodshed, violence, oppression, child abuse and utter misery around the world?

      Answer me. (Since you claim everyone loves to talk about Islam. So, talk about it. Talk about its oppressive, intolerant, hate filled teachings and its equally oppressive, intolerant and hate filled followers. Talk about it. I’d love to hear it.)

      “Join 1st and then talk.”

      Is that a threat? Hm? Answer me.

      “More Later …”

      The only “more later” I want to hear from you is your response to my points.

      Know this and know it well. I will NOT submit to your death cult. Do you hear me?

      • Champ says

        Jun 14, 2015 at 9:54 pm

        Know this and know it well. I will NOT submit to your death cult. Do you hear me?

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        Nor will I, Mo!

        • Joseph says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 10:09 pm

          Count me as another that will NOT submit.

    • Sam says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 1:32 pm

      Go and just submit to your Allah. As a Moslem you need to be doing Jihad cutting heads of infidels not talking nonsense like this here. Go close your eyes more to what your religion has done and is doing all over the world as dictated by Qu’ran. The perfect book that has never changed as Allah spoke in Arabic to perfect man Mohammad through Angel Gabriel. PEACE BE UPON HIM.

    • Greyhound Fancier says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 3:55 pm

      Mr. Spencer and Pam Geller are not empowered to stop any discussion of Islam. If only they would be able to arouse the politically correct so they would see the danger they are in!

      And yes, you’re right, Islam is discussed daily – because of Muslim on Christian, Muslim on Jew, Muslim on anyone who is non-Muslim, and of course, Muslim on Muslim violence.

      What a method of evangelism! I don’t doubt all those news reports attract every criminal, rapist, arsonist, and murderer who hears it…not they can be criminal, even war criminals, and religious too!

    • TheBuffster says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 10:51 pm

      Rezali said: “I think it best if Mr. Thor joined Islam say for 6 months…see what it is like and *then* say what he has to say. You are allowed to say what you want to… by first being inside …and then say what you have to say. I have offered this olive branch to Graven and Mirren …Champ …and even Linde, Carolyne…but all have been turned down…because you are hypocrites….it’s one law for you and one for Muslims.

      “Join 1st and then talk.”

      Buffster replies: Oh, c’mon, Rezali. You know that once a person becomes a Muslim, the punishment for leaving is death. You don’t just casually “join” Islam to try it out.

      Everybody here knows that.

    • TheBuffster says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 11:02 pm

      Rezali, have you read the Koran? The Bukhari or the Muslim Hadith collection?

    • Jack Gordon says

      Jun 14, 2015 at 6:48 am

      Why are Mohammedans such motor-mouths? Regardless of where they post on the Internet, they use run-on sentences and exhibit an unseemly verbosity, (Beyond that, their English is atrocious even when they happen to have lived in the West long enough to have learned how to speak it.) Is this because, as I suspect, their so-called holy book is really a literary disaster and not the beautiful opus Mohammedans pretend it is? Or is it simply that Mohammedans don’t read very much and therefore have low standards when it comes to composition? They should stick to knives, bombs, guns, and other instruments of violence, things they may actually know something about.

    • sinantara says

      Jun 15, 2015 at 12:31 am

      Said a Soviet citizen to the commissar, in America evey body can say Reagan is stupid. And they will not be arrested for it. Said the commissar: My good citizen, you here everybody can say that too!”

      “A Soviet citizen was brought in by the police because he had said in a discussion, doomsday will come because of one man!”
      “Who is that man” his interogator asked. “Reagan of course!”
      “Oh” the police man said. “Sorry, we made a mistake, you can go home!”
      The citizen walked away, suddenly stopped and turned around. “Mistake? Who do you think I was talking about?”

    • Celtic says

      Jun 15, 2015 at 2:33 am

      Greetings, Rezali.

      You see, Islam deserves to be criticized. Do you even realize that your ancestors were brutally conquered, beheaded, raped and enslaved and this is why you were born as a Muslim?

      Islam was spread by the same means as ISIS is spreading right now. Mohammed would attack villages before sunrise, killing all males, enslave children and women and very often, the women were raped on the spot by himself and his Jihadis.

      This is all documented in sources which are considered to be authentic in mainstream Sunni-Islam. I’m talking about Sahih-Bukhari.

      Mohammed was not a Prophet of God, wake up. His actions were of pure evil – and why do you think he was scared to death when the “angel” chose him? Maybe because the nature of this “angel” was not good at all?

  2. ich says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 7:18 am

    I wonder if all the victims of ISLAM , and there has
    to be millions ; are they still in love with this nasty religion?

  3. duh_swami says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 7:52 am

    Reform? Moderates? There are no such things because Allah don’t allow it. A dead Mahoundian can’t get into Paradise by proclaiming to Allah that ‘I am a moderate, and a reformer’…

    • Jaladhi says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 8:02 am

      Mo/allah’s “perfect religion” doesn’t need any reformation. These infidel clowns just don’t understand it. Maybe they should join his followers and become one of them – murderers, rapists, looters, …..etc. (sarc off).

  4. Lookmann says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 9:35 am

    Thor acknowledges Spencer’s inputs on jihad in one his novels. The traitorous CAIR is called FAIR in his novels.With Vince Flynn no more, Thor is the most popular thriller writer in the anti-jihad genre.,others being Alex Berenson, Daniel Silva etc.,

    As forthright as his hero Scott Harwath, his comments do not come as a surprise.

    Like J W , his books reach millions, spreading counter-jihad message, in every nook and corner of the world.

    God bless him!

  5. Agent of Liberty says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 10:40 am

    You cannot reform Islam! Muslims have to leave Islam, Islam needs to be banned and the koran is a anti human being guide to madness that also needs to be destroyed!

    • Stardusty Psyche says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 8:51 pm

      Agent of Liberty wants to ban Islam, how ironic.

      I take it you are not an American. You see, here in America we do not ban Nazis, Communists, KKK, Skin Heads, or Islam.

      We have something in America we call Liberty, which you obviously are not actually an agent of.

  6. Jan says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    I think the Muslims are a bit dumb to fall for the provocation of people like Pamela Geller. If they’d just ignore it, the whole fuss would die down. Not just among the Muslims, but among supporters of Geller too. Anyone who draws pictures of Mohammed in today’s world simply must be motivated by a desire to provoke; there is no other reason to do it in today’s political climate. Free speech is about speech, so Pamela, start talking! You don’t have to deliberately infuriate people as you do it.

    But the Muslims are like a flock of sheep to react blindly and automatically to these provocations as they do. Everyone on both sides of this inflammatory issue needs to just calm down.

    • Wellington says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 2:10 pm

      You got most everything wrong, Jan. Wake up.

    • Champ says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 8:01 pm

      Yes — wake up, Jan!

      They’re coming after you, too; and you won’t need a cartoon to *provoke* them to rage, either. Are you a non-muslim? …then you’re in harm’s way and consider yourself warned!

      • Mirren10 says

        Jun 14, 2015 at 3:12 pm

        By the way, everyone here who knew me under my old moniker, ‘Jan’, *this* twat is *not* me !

        • Champ says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 7:09 pm

          ahaha! …I knew that, my friend! xo 🙂

    • Stardusty Psyche says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 8:59 pm

      Hi Jan,
      How does one get a homicidal suicidal genocidal death cult bent on global conquest to “just calm down”?

      I mean, that’s a nice idea, but history has shown that this kind of threat must be confronted and defeated.

      We can’t simply talk them down, that would be great if we could, I do my little part by trying to contact less radical Muslims the best I can and engage them in dialog, but that is only going to have a very peripheral effect, quite unfortunately but that is the real world.

    • Concerned says

      Jun 14, 2015 at 4:26 pm

      Utter nonsense, Jan. The whole point of Pamela Geller’s cartoon contest was to be a deliberate provocation, a PROTEST. It was a protest against the suppression of *any* free speech negative to Islam by Islamists and Islamist organization such as CAIR. The cartoon event, and the building in which it was held, were chosen deliberately to protest against the terrorist attacks against Charlie Hebdo and the Danish cartoonists. It served its purpose because it generated discussion of issues that are neglected in the mainstream media. Those who condemn Pam’s protest (including you) are either stealth jihadists themselves or are oblivious to the issue of suppression of speech by Islamists. They are playing right into the hands of stealth jihadists, whose only goal is to shut you up, aka, to make you submit to Islam.

  7. Shmooviyet says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 2:25 pm

    PG is trying to open the eyes of the sheep who still believe in the great lie that was told after 9/11, islam is a religion of peace. If she’s provocative in ‘today’s world’ ( what makes it ‘today’s world’? ) it’s because exposure and becoming informed are desperately needed. Is she taking on being threatened with decapitation, just for attention??
    Give an example what the fanatics- and others- would DO if they were capable of ‘calming down’. Would they open small businesses? They LIVE to be constantly infuriated and filled with hate. Try telling them to ignore it– see how far you get. If you’re lucky they’ll only snicker at your inferiority.
    Hitler was a bit annoyed, and he was told to ‘calm down’. How’d that work out?

  8. Jack Diamond says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 2:32 pm

    It isn’t about drawing Muhammad. Anything deemed insulting to the prophet has to be avenged.
    Muslims are “provoked” by whatever offends Islam and ultimately everything kaffir offends them.
    Your very existence offends them because it offends Allah. I will also remind you that it is the duty of Muslims, collective and individual, to struggle to spread Islam until it dominates everywhere. Any resistance to that is also a “provocation.”

    They are not being “dumb” they are following orders. “Ali related the Messenger of Allah said “Whoever curses a Prophet, kill him. Whoever curses my Companions, beat him.”…. “On the authority of Hassan ibn Ali (ra) The Prophet of Malhama (Slaughter), The Prophet of Maahi (Destruction) said Whoever insults a Prophet kill him.” [Recorded in Al-Haakim in his Al-Mustadrak]
Abu Dawood 4362 narrated from ‘Ali that a Jewish woman used to insult the Prophet and say bad things about him, so a man strangled her until she dies and the Prophet ruled no blood money was due in this case.
”Those who harm Allah and His Messenger, Allah has cursed them in this world and in the next and prepared for them a humiliating punishment.” Qur’an 33:57; Ishaq 550 “among those who Muhammad ordered killed was Abdullah bin Khatal. The Messenger ordered him to be slain..his girls used to sing a satire about Muhammad so the Prophet ordered they should be killed along with Abdullah.”

    This is the judgment of the ulema:
    “Insulting the Prophet is one of the worst of forbidden actions and it constitutes kufr and apostasy from Islam, according to scholarly consensus, whether done seriously or in jest. The one who does that is to be executed even if he repents and whether he is a Muslim OR A KAAFIR.” (al-saarim al-Maslool quoted at Islam Q&A) “The Judgment of the Shari’a (Ruling on one who insults the Prophet) Ibn al-Qasim “Anyone who curses him (Muhammad) reviles him, finds fault with him, or disparages him is killed. Allah made it obligatory to respect the Prophet and be dutiful to him….
”The Qur’an says that Allah سبحانه و تعالى curses the one who harms the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم in this world and He connected harm of Himself to harm of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. There is no dispute that anyone who curses Allah is killed and that his curse demands that he be categorised as an unbeliever. The judgement of the unbeliever is that he is killed.”
http://www.muftisays.com/blog/

    They don’t need to be provoked, they already hate you. Look up “al walaa’ wal baraa” sometime.
    The fuss is not going to die down. It will only rise with the ever growing numbers of Muslims among us (look up Eurabia sometime) growing more aggressive in proportion to the timidity of frightened infidels, who also believe they must have done something bad to provoke them.

  9. voegelinian says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 3:13 pm

    Brad Thor in this interview is promoting two distinct ideas not necessarily (thank God) joined at the hip:

    1) defending Pam Geller’s absolute right to free speech and expression in the discursive context of the Garland jihad attack.

    2) advocating a solution to the problem of Islam (one which the reader senses Brad Thor thinks is really the only solution) — namely, to press Muslims to reform their Islam.

    #1 is great. #2 I ain’t buying, and I strenuously oppose it anytime it rears its asymptotic head in the Counter-Jihad.

    As an adjunct to #2, Brad Thor more than once emphatically claims that Pam Geller’s vision is the same as his:

    “…but my G-d, Pamela Geller is doing more to help reform Islam than any pansy on the left or right who is criticizing her.”

    …

    And, a little later, describes Geller as “someone who is trying to bring about reform in one of the most dangerous ideologies since Nazism [i.e., Islam].”

    …

    And, again:

    “She’s not trying to provoke all Muslims. She’s trying to provoke a discussion.”

    To Brad Thor, that discussion is with Muslims, to prod them to reform. I think (and hope) that Geller’s motive is to provoke a discussion in the West (and the Rest of the free — non-Muslim — world) about the problem of Islam.

    And wouldn’t you know, it didn’t take long in Brad Thor’s thought process for that strange mythical creature, the Moderate Muslim, to rear its lovely unicorned head:

    “And moderate Muslims should not be offended by the depiction of their Prophet Muhammad. They can say it’s in their book … Islam is the only major world religion that has not had a reformation. Judaism has. Christianity has. Islam has not.”

    So it’s that vast, amorphous critical mass of Moderate Muslims Who Just Wanna Have a Sandwich Out There who are our Great Brown Hope, eh?

    In the same stride, Brad Thor approvingly cites “one of the best articles ever written about the West and how we are pandering to fundamentalist Islam”, written by Sam Harris. Harris is mostly doing very good and useful work for the Counter-Jihad – except when he frames the problem as one to be solved by Moderate Muslims (like that snake in dove’s feathers, Maajid Nawaz, whom Harris apparently naively trusts).

    And if that wasn’t enough, Brad Thor has to keep pressing that ridiculous meme:

    “If we don’t criticize Islam and put pressure on Islam, how do you expect reformers and again moderates to have the wind at their backs, the wind in their sails to have them do the work that needs to be done? Because we as non-Muslims can’t affect any change.”

    That last sentence reveals the fundamental flaw in Brad Thor’s entire edifice: he thinks Islam needs to be “changed”as though something fundamentally, essentially, and thoroughly rotten & toxic to the core can be reformed. No, Virginia, not all things can or should be reformed. Some things are not only broken beyond repair, they were monstrous cancers from the beginning.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Jun 14, 2015 at 7:49 pm

      Your last paragraph say it all “voeg” – and very well at that.

      • EYESOPEN says

        Jun 14, 2015 at 7:50 pm

        Sorry. “Your last paragraph SAYS it all…”

  10. profitsbeard says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 6:39 pm

    Thor needs to add a disclaimer to the idea of “moderate reform” of Islam:

    If Muslims can return their religious discussions to the more-open era before 1000 A.D. -when the “Gates of Ijtihad” (Rational and Historical Examination of the Faith’s Tenets) were “closed” (by a powerful minority of Irrationalists) – there might be some chance of a “reform” whereby the literal reading of the Koran would be considered childish (as the literal reading of other Holy books has been so judged by their faithful) .

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3114/muslims-ijtihad

    Until this possibility is forced upon Islam by strong reformers, Mohammadism remains a simpleton’s Death Cult.

    Taking poetry literally- as if it were prose- is mistaken, and moronic.

    Taking poetical and allegorical religious texts literally is equally infantile and simplistic and distorting.

    Islam must become an allegory of the soul’s battle for Enlightenment, or Islam will be destroyed ~literally.

    • TheBuffster says

      Jun 14, 2015 at 11:58 am

      Hey, Canuck, you left one out: 4. They want to believe it because they want it to be true that the one god of the universe commands them to plunder and rape and enslave and kill the unbelievers, and that in doing so they’ll go to Paradise and be able to watch the unbelievers suffer in hell. Wishful thinking can be a very powerful motivator, and if you’re not grounded firmly in reality and some authority gives you permission to believe what you want to believe, and tells you that if you *do* believe, you’ll be one of the best of men and the unbelievers are the worst of creatures – you’ve got plunder and slave girls and superiority and then Paradise to look forward to. Wishful thinking. Deadly.

    • TheBuffster says

      Jun 14, 2015 at 12:28 pm

      Profitsbeard said: “Taking poetry literally- as if it were prose- is mistaken, and moronic.

      “Taking poetical and allegorical religious texts literally is equally infantile and simplistic and distorting.

      “Islam must become an allegory of the soul’s battle for Enlightenment, or Islam will be destroyed ~literally.”

      Buffster replies: Have you read the Koran, Profitsbeard?

      I’m pretty good with metaphor and simile and allegory and such, but for all of it’s alleged poetry, the Koran seems pretty literal. Interpreting it allegorically seems like it would require a very tortured effort.

      I don’t think the Koran was meant to be allegorical poetry. It may have been written with poetical language and style, but it’s an instruction book on how to live, what to do and how to do it, and most of all to just freakin’ believe everything the prophet tells you without question.

      And how about the hadith and the biography of Mohammad. Is that allegory, too?

      It’s not hard to turn the loving Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross and his rising from the dead into allegory. But when you have an ideal practitioner of Islam, like Mohammad, who says and does all the horrible things he said and did, what kind of allegory can you make of that? What kind of non-literal meaning can you take from it? Do you see how much brain-twisting contortions you’d have to go through to try to make such a project convincing?

      No, Muslims need to see how morally warped their primary texts are, and leave Islam for some better religion or philosophy. No mind should have to try to strain and struggle to turn Islam into a good thing when it profoundly isn’t. That would be an exercise in evasion and self-deception.

      • TheBuffster says

        Jun 14, 2015 at 12:39 pm

        Oops! I left something out when I said (left out bit in brackets): “But when you have an ideal practitioner of Islam, like Mohammad, who says and does all the horrible things he said and did, what kind of allegory can you make of that? What kind of non-literal meaning can you take from it? [What *good* can you take from it?] Do you see how much brain-twisting contortions you’d have to go through to try to make such a project convincing?

      • PRODOS says

        Jun 16, 2015 at 12:34 pm

        Greetings.

        I agree with TheBuffster’s reply to Profitsbeard.

        When I first started studying Islam (what feels like a thousand years ago) my goal was to find this Ijtihad thing I had heard about.

        I followed every lead possible to find some Theological basis for Ijtihad within Islamic texts.

        To say I failed is putting it mildly.

        What I found was so nauseating, vile, and stupid it still fills me with rage to think about it.

        As for the Gatestone Institute’s article, “Can Muslims Re-open the Gates of Ijtihad?” — the argument it mounts and the poor excuse for evidence that it offers — such as extolling Averroes/Ibn Rushd — is utter junk, I’m afraid. Self-delusional junk.

        There is more scope for “poetical and allegorical” interpretation in Nazism than there is in Islam.

        So I invite Profitsbeard to have a shot at re-reading and re-interpreting Mein Kampf in that light.

        That will provide an excellent warm-up to doing the same with the Koran and the other canonical Islamic texts. Good luck. Maybe he will succeed where I flunked.

        As for Averroes, many claims are made about his work. The tiny bit I’ve read of his philosophical writing doesn’t impress me. His apparent attempt to reconcile Aristotle with Islam does no such thing. At best he tries to keep religious matters separate from philosophical questions and philosophical methods. And the claim that many make, that he is the “founding father of secular thought in Western Europe” is laughable. (It reminds me of the nonsense about the “Islamic Golden Age” . See Emmet Scott, The Impact of Islam.)

        In contrast, Christianity easily reconciles the teachings of Jesus with those of Aristotle. (Not that surprising, really, since Christianity was already a very Hellenic religion).

        And Judaism offers valuable contributions and critiques of the Greek approach (See Yoram Hazony, The Philosophy of Hebrew Scripture).

        Anyway, end of rant for now.

  11. Champ says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 7:39 pm

    I hold out zero hope for reform within islam, since you can’t give evil muhammad a makeover; and you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear ..etc, etc. Not unless you want to rewrite history, but then that would be a lie. Remember, a *muslim* is a follower of muhammad, sooo ….

    So the only hope I would offer any muslim is found in Jesus Christ …

    Question: “I am a Muslim. Why should I consider becoming a Christian?”

    Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/Muslim-Christian.html

    • Concerned says

      Jun 14, 2015 at 10:27 pm

      Champ,

      The argument in your link is not convincing. It assumes that the reader will see the phrase, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.” and magically think, “Oh sure, that is the path.” It is not logical. I think that can work only if the Muslim is predisposed to Christianity, or he just has to have a replacement religion immediately and is shopping around. I would hold out more hope that the Muslim simply starts to think rationally about the hateful ideology he has bought into.

      As an example, consider Ali Sina. It took him years of soul searching to leave Islam. Sina’s decision was based on his realization that Muhammad was an evil man, so Islam does not hold together. Only well after that did Sina embrace Christianity, but the two events were not connected.

  12. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    ==QUOTE==
    Mo says (June 13, 2015 at 12:31 pm)

    @ Rezali Mehil

    “Allah SWT give me strength ….What a loud-mouth…folks you need to lose that everything is big in America (SIB). It does not adhere you to the rest of humanity.”

    Learn how to write in at least semi-coherent English so you can be understood.
    ==UNQUOTE==

    Hello Rezali,
    I find your shaky grasp of English, and your overuse of ellipsis points, endearing.
    But as Mo points out, you sometimes are incoherent. I understand your “SWT”; it refers to the SWT team that is mobilized to smite infidels. But what does “SIB” stand for? I can’t find anything at
    http://www.acronymfinder.com/SIB.html
    that fits your context.

  13. David, Thailand says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    While I agree with Brad’s ideals, I strongly disagree with the detail.

    Reformation of Islam is happening right now. It is called the Islamic State, which our glorious leaders unashamedly soil themselves to avoid fessing up that the purest Islam on the face of the planet may actually have anything to do with Islam.

    When a dysfunctional ideology like Islam reforms, it can only go backwards. That’s not bad in itself, since we sophisticated Westerners are weaned to believe each to his own. But they insist we join them on that evil journey into the past, and it betrays everything we stand for when our craven leaders and media reach for a temporary window of relative stability by dragging us along for the ride.

    The Islamic State is here to stay, though I cannot say the same for a stubbornly weak Western civilisation.

  14. voegelinian says

    Jun 14, 2015 at 4:57 am

    Wow, I guess Christmas came early for “voeg” — none of the Jihad Watch regulars attacked me…

    • duh_swami says

      Jun 14, 2015 at 9:21 am

      The population types of JW regulars is not stable. No one has attacked you yet, but the day is still early…I noticed the same things you did, so I don’t have anything to attack you for…Maybe tomorrow…

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 14, 2015 at 4:45 pm

        Just put an asymptotic soap-on-a-rope in my stocking…

        • EYESOPEN says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 7:54 pm

          Yeah, because we can’t use lumps of coal anymore.
          That’s SO un-environmental. {;o)

    • Mirren10 says

      Jun 14, 2015 at 3:21 pm

      Voeg says;.

      ”Wow, I guess Christmas came early for “voeg” — none of the Jihad Watch regulars attacked me… ”

      Then he says;

      ”Some things are not only broken beyond repair, they were monstrous cancers from the beginning.”

      Much as you frequently infuriate me, voeg, sometimes you neatly hit the nail on the head. islam is indeed what you describe.

  15. rcourtemanche says

    Jun 14, 2015 at 8:26 am

    Right on Brad Thor.

  16. duh_swami says

    Jun 14, 2015 at 9:33 am

    It is simply not possible to reform perfection. Whenever I hear that word ‘reform’ in regard to Islam, I know there is a faker about, or someone who doesn’t understand the nature of perfection…Perfection has no partners and any attempt to alter that is shirk, blasphemy and apostasy all rolled into one, if you are a Mahoundian. And on top of that, the Mahoundian has to explain it to Allah who is probably scowling. Allah always keeps a pot of water boiling to quench the thirst of the reformer…Allah will show you the meaning of perfection…He’s good about that…

  17. Champ says

    Jun 14, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    Brad “Thor” …awesome last name! 🙂

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