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CAIR files lawsuit to prevent ICE from asking Muslims entering US about jihad-related activities, relatives

Jun 6, 2015 4:56 pm By Ralph Sidway

If these allegations are true, it’s about time. Now ICE must start preventing Muslims from entering the U.S.

via “Muslims Asked About Martyrdom, Religion By US Border Officials At Entry Ports,” International Business Times, June 5, 2015 (thanks to Creeping Sharia):

U.S. border officials are using a questionnaire about religion to harass Muslim travelers, a Muslim advocacy group charges. The Immigration and Customs Enforcement questionnaire was released by the Department of Homeland Security in response to a lawsuit by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Intercept reports.

The questions that were revealed — the document was heavily redacted — include “Have you participated in any formal religious training or schooling?” “What house of worship do you attend?” and “Do you have any relatives or friends who have been martyred fighting in the defense of your beliefs?” Derek Benner, deputy executive associate director of homeland security investigations for ICE, said the document’s purpose is “to provide guidance to special agents who are called upon to conduct a certain type of investigatory review of persons.”

CAIR’s lawsuit argues that customs and border officials have unconstitutionally engaged in religious profiling, and that the questions contribute to a larger harassment of Muslim travelers. The suit was filed in 2012 on behalf of four Americans who say they were detained for their religious beliefs while crossing the U.S.-Canada border.

“There is very obviously a concerted effort to question and intimidate Muslim-Americans based on their religious beliefs,” Gadeir Abbas, one of the attorneys representing the plaintiffs, told the Intercept. “The types of questions specifically asked of Muslim travelers at borders across the country are far too consistent for there to not be some type of overarching framework and direction being used to target them.”

This is only logical as, “The types of jihad terrorist attacks, funding and support by Muslims in America are far too consistent for there to not be some type of overarching framework and direction behind them.”

The questionnaire was revealed during a legal battle between CAIR and ICE over the information’s release. While CAIR says the documents surrounding the instructions given to border officials are critical to the case and evaluating institutional profiling, ICE asserts that the release constitutes a security risk.

“Asking Muslim-Americans questions about ‘martyrs’ in their family when they’re crossing the border doesn’t serve any constructive purpose, especially when there’s not even a clear definition of what the word means,” Dawud Walid of CAIR told the Intercept.

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  1. katnis says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 5:24 pm

    Please. Once agin, CAIR clogs up our legal system with ridiculous requests that aim to protect the people who are most the most inclined to seek to destroy our democracy and hurt our citizens.

    That said, anyone with family connections to martyrdom and jihad is going to lie on the application anyways, but I still think that the opportunity to question travelers who fit a specific set of criteria is in the best interest of the people of the United States at this point and time.

    Thumbs up to the Department of Homeland Security.

    • particolor says

      Jun 7, 2015 at 5:38 am

      WTF is a ” Muslim American ???? ”
      Must be some kind of Prairie Dog ?

    • Bamaguje says

      Jun 7, 2015 at 6:15 am

      “the opportunity to question travelers who fit a specific set of criteria is in the best interest of the people of the United States… Thumbs up to the Department of Homeland Security” – Katnis.

      Unfortunately, Obama is likely to side with CAIR… and further disarm America against the global Jihad threat.

      “There is very obviously a concerted effort to question and intimidate Muslim-Americans based on their religious beliefs” – Gadeir Abbas, CAIR attorney.

      ‘Muslim travelers’ are not necessarily Americans… In fact it’s Muslim immigrants/visitors that are likely to be so questioned at the border, not Americans.

  2. Marty Mott says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    And for Pete’s sake, don’t let anybody ask them about their pedophilia!

  3. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 5:32 pm

    A short and accurate slogan that can be put on a post-it note or chalked on a footpath. Or attached to any number of suitable images – e.g. Mumbai hotels burning, blown-up bus in London, ripped-apart trains in Madrid and Mumbai, explosion in Russian railway station, images of the Beslan school massacre, kidnapped Chibok girls, Bali bombing, Boston marathon bombing, images associated with the Charlie Hebdo massacre and the murder of Theo Van Gogh (just use the front-page newspaper screen grab) etc etc etc.

    “Got Muslims? Got Jihad”.

  4. Lord Paper Clip says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    Both the Holy Land Foundation and InfoCom Corporation, who helped found CAIR tracked this kind of information. I expect CAIR collects it too. Are they social climbing by suing ICE or do they want to be the only org with this data?

  5. abad says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    There is NO reason for Muslims from other countries to come to the United States. NONE. They hate us, they need to stay on their own damn turf. They are NOT welcome here!!!

  6. Angemon says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    CAIR’s lawsuit argues that customs and border officials have unconstitutionally engaged in religious profiling, and that the questions contribute to a larger harassment of Muslim travelers. The suit was filed in 2012 on behalf of four Americans who say they were detained for their religious beliefs while crossing the U.S.-Canada border.

    Though titties. Profiling muslims is arguably the most effective way of detecting islamic terrorists. And profiling is up to law enforcement agencies, not terrorist-linked “civil rights” organizations. The Russians had the Tsaernev brothers profiled. The US disregarded their warnings. How did that turn out?

    • EYESOPEN says

      Jun 6, 2015 at 8:16 pm

      “Though titties.”

      I think you were looking for: “‘Tough titty!’ said the cat to the kitty.”

  7. No Fear says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    “Asking Muslim-Americans questions about ‘martyrs’ in their family when they’re crossing the border doesn’t serve any constructive purpose, especially when there’s not even a clear definition of what the word means,” Dawud Walid of CAIR told the Intercept.

    How about this definition Mr Walid:

    “Those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die,- On them will Allah bestow verily a goodly Provision: Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision.” Quran 22:58

    That sounds clear. It’s about “the cause of Allah”.

  8. mortimer says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    Theocratic fascism is what the immigration authorities SHOULD identify.

    Islamic fascists have the goal of overthrowing the constitution of the USA, so they are not compatible with life in America and should not be allowed entry.

    It is INSANE to allow them to enter.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Jun 6, 2015 at 8:17 pm

      Concur.

    • Godwin says

      Jun 7, 2015 at 5:53 am

      But Obama said it is OK n allows their immigration to the USA too.

  9. RonaldB says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    Probably a lost-cause lawsuit, but given the current legal thinking of the US Supreme Court, definitely worth a shot, from CAIR’s standpoint. It’s a win-win situation. If they win, the US is even more unprotected than before, and violent jihad that much closer. If they lose, no loss to them, and they’ve still put all government agencies on notice that any Muslim questioned anytime for anything will face a lawsuit. It’s a beautiful way to advance sharia.

    Now, if CAIR found itself liable for the legal costs of the opposing side (the US government) by bringing the lawsuit…

    • EYESOPEN says

      Jun 6, 2015 at 8:19 pm

      “Now, if CAIR found itself liable for the legal costs of the opposing side (the US government) by bringing the lawsuit…”

      Sounds good to me Ronald; but then again, they would just let Saudi Barbaria pay the fees.

  10. Linde Barrera says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 7:15 pm

    I wouldn’t mind at all if the US border officials polled everybody who wanted to cross the borders as to their religious affiliation, family history of martyrdom, etc Then there could be no allegations on the part of that silly organization that “only Muslims get singled out”. And I am sure Canada and Mexico don’t want any creepy Muslims from the US in their countries.

  11. R Cole says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    Not a clear definition of what the words mean ~ like ‘Islamophobia’ ~ it always means what they want it to mean.

    Ditto for Islamic peace!!

    ::

    If a foreign citizen is allowed inside of the US borders and commits a terrorist attack – the pro-Islamic press will not be looking to CAIR for answers to do with missed red flags.

    In the face of the new Islamic reality – someone has to do the job – of protecting the free society.

    We have the right to think about nothing – if we choose to!

    Pakistan-style explosions going off every few days – and to keep the population calm – we have to be told this has nothing to do with Islam – while the perpetrators are in possession of a Koran and can be heard shouting Allah Akbar before committing their heinous acts – against institutions and persons they deem un-Islamic.

    What’s happening – is that the freedoms of the western of society are being eroded – so that a few radicals can operate freely within them.

    Keep them out!

    If the Cair lawsuit cannot be viewed as a religious ploy – then perhaps – it can be viewed as a knee jerk reaction and not well thought out!

  12. Linde Barrera says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    A creepy Muslim is one who wants to kill innocent people and destroy the freedoms of speech, religion, bear arms, and right to assemble peacefully. A creepy Muslim is one who lies about Islam to make converts. I know several Muslims whom I dont consider to be creepy because they face the truth and have said that “killing the infidel” is in their religion. I hate liars.

  13. Linde Barrera says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 7:30 pm

    And a creepy Muslim endorses slavery and accepts the idea of sex slaves. Oh yes, and a creepy Muslim has more than 1 wife. There are a lot of disgusting, creepy, barbaric and savage aspects to Islam, and the more I think about them, the more of them pop up. Blecchh. Vomit.

  14. somehistory says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 8:55 pm

    Not knowing what was redacted, if the money seeking, jihad enhancing, cair have only what is written in the article on which to base their suit, they have nothing. It does not specify muslims or islam.
    They have really over-played their hand…again…showing they know exactly the facts that muslims are the ones committing jihad and feeling as martyrs when they murder others for islam’s advancement. They know their unholy filthy writings demand martyrdom in the cause of jihad.

    And the dawud guy trying to pretend that “martyred” may have such a confusing number of definitions….as “terrorism” does due to those engaging in terrorism defend it as legitimate, patriotic, freedom-fighting, etc….muslims define *martyr* differently than do Christians as muslims engage in murder and call it “martyr” while Christians see it as being willing to die for Christ if that is the only way they can keep their faith and give a “witness” for Christ.

    The Christian becomes a martyr when he/she is killed for his/her belief. The muslim becomes a martyr when he/she kills others.

    The beast will not win…its slaves may win a few battles…but they and the beast they worship, will lose the war.

  15. William Lucas Harvey Jr. says

    Jun 6, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    “CAIR files lawsuit to prevent ICE from asking Muslims entering US about jihad-related activities, relatives”.

    Islam’s Muslims are AGAIN using their “Friendly” Un-Indicted Co-Conspirator Islamic Terrorist Organization CAIR, and Playing the Poor, Poor Us, Victim Card, Whining, Complaining, STOP “Harassing Us” at your Borders !

    Muslims say, YOU ARE supposed to be a “Free Country” are you not ?, YOU DO Grant “Religious Freedoms” do you not, WE ARE the “Religion of Peace” are we not ?

    Muslims say, ALL we are doing is attempting to Exercise our “American Religious RIGHTS”, to “Freely” Enter your Country and “Worship in Peace”.

    Muslims feel, of Course, it’s ONLY to Commit Bloody Murdering Jihad on YOUR Citizens – so STOP being so “Bigoted, Racist, and Islamophobic:, and LET US IN !

    Therefor, Islam’s Muslims are Exercising their “American Rights”, to use America’s OWN Laws and Legal System AGAINST America.

    AND of Course, America’s Obama Administration, with it’s VERY apparent Pro Islam, Pro Muslim, seemingly VERY Anti America, Anti Constitution, Anti Christian, Anti American, and against Allies such as Israel, will most likely BLOCK the Border Patrols and ICE, and let these “Poor Immigrants” in, who are just wanting to be “Free in America”, to live the “Good American Life”.

    Of course IF they, for whatever reason, are NOT able to commit their Jihad HERE, they WILL FREELY Travel and do it Overseas.

    THEN the Obama Administration WILL WELCOME them BACK Into America to FINISH their Jihad HERE.

  16. Know Thy Enemy says

    Jun 7, 2015 at 2:14 am

    Yes…. it is the Muslims who need to bow down to the US, as shown in the photo.

    Not the other way around (as has been happening in the real world 🙁 )

  17. Mark says

    Jun 7, 2015 at 3:50 am

    Whats the point in asking these questions?
    Thats a bit like asking a potential thief are you a thief? What answer would you really expect?

    • Mirren10 says

      Jun 7, 2015 at 8:27 pm

      I rather tend to agree with you.

      It’s analagous to the question on the form one has to answer before entering the US;

      ”Do you intend to overthrow the US government by force or subversion ?”

      It also says, ”answering yes to this question will not necessarily prevent your entry.”

      How daft is that ?

  18. Westman says

    Jun 7, 2015 at 4:10 am

    Change Martyr to “luminaries of istishhad”. That should be specific enough for CAIR.

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we didn’t have a CAIR in the world?

  19. PRCS says

    Jun 7, 2015 at 10:08 am

    As I read the article, the lawsuit was filed on behalf of AMERICAN CITIZENS who had been interrogated about their religious beliefs upon RETURNING to the U.S. after traveling abroad.

    No American citizen, not even a Muslim, should be grilled about their religious beliefs–and certainly not those of their family members–when returning FROM another country–unless there is a valid, specific law enforcement reason to do so.

    Repeat: the CAIR lawsuit–as I read the article–concerns AMERICAN CITIZENS.

    I fully support whatever legal questioning ICE believes necessary vis–à–vis foreign nationals; but c’mon–interrogating American citizens returning from a trip abroad?

    If you’re an American citizen and are reading this–what if it happens to you?

    **But–if CAIR is trying to conflate U.S. citizens and foreign nationals……

    • Know Thy Enemy says

      Jun 7, 2015 at 1:23 pm

      What if the American citizen is returning from Iraq, Syria, or Turkey?

    • Linde Barrera says

      Jun 7, 2015 at 3:05 pm

      To PRCS- I see your point about American citizens being questioned about their religion, but I personally do not have an issue with this if I and every American citizen was questioned at the border. Homeland security is vital. I don’t see how this action would violate anyone’s rights.I have also been patted down at airports. While it makes one feel “targeted” it isn’t a bad thing. Airport ecurity is vital.

      • PRCS says

        Jun 9, 2015 at 1:13 pm

        You are correct–so long as it’s done across the board.

        The lawsuit was filed because Muslims, alone, were being interrogated.

  20. b.c.terry says

    Jun 7, 2015 at 10:20 am

    This is a matter of you reap what you sow, in this case it’s justified profiling.

    Don’t blame others for defending themselves against the crimes of your violent, hateful, totalitarian fascist ideology.

  21. PRCS says

    Jun 7, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    As I read the article, the lawsuit was filed on behalf of AMERICAN CITIZENS who had been interrogated about their religious beliefs upon RETURNING to the U.S. after traveling abroad.

    No American citizen, not even a Muslim, should be grilled about their religious beliefs–and certainly not those of their family members–when returning FROM another country–unless there is a valid, specific law enforcement reason to do so.

    Repeat: the CAIR lawsuit–as I read the article–concerns AMERICAN CITIZENS.

    I fully support whatever legal questioning ICE believes necessary vis–à–vis foreign nationals; but c’mon–interrogating American citizens returning from a trip abroad?

    If you’re an American citizen and are reading this–what if it happens to you?

    **But–if CAIR is trying to conflate U.S. citizens and foreign nationals……

    • somehistory says

      Jun 7, 2015 at 7:44 pm

      It’s long been policy to question people coming in if the government thought the citizen might have been to a country where trouble, disease, etc. was happening…asking what do they have to *declare* so taxes, and other revenue could be collected.
      If the muslims didn’t have something to hide, these questions wouldn’t be any worse than one might be asked on the street when stopped due to having a tail light out and the officer asks, “Where are you going?’ Where have you been?”

      It’s because the muslims don’t want to inform on their *relatives* or friends or themselves, that they have a problem answering the questions. If they ask, “Are you muslim?’ that’s *profiling.* If they ask, “Are you Christian?”, that would be also, but unless some persecution happened as a result of saying “Yes,’ there would be no lawsuit by the Christian as cair is doing for the muslims coming back in from *who-knows-where.*.

  22. Edgar Allen says

    Jun 7, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    CAIR does have a point. By the time they’re here in our airports, it’s too late to be useful.
    Muslims should not be allowed to come in the first place. That would keep it simple: No Muslims; No terrorists.

  23. Denis says

    Jun 7, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    What is CAIR afraid off. Are they protecting Jihadis or would be Juhadis by filing a lawsiut saying its discrimination of religion by profiling. This begs this question. Who are the terrorists in this world today? Answer. MUSLIMS, Who has declared war on the USA and the western world? Answer Muslims. Is there a Pattern in terrorism in the world today. There is,
    The common theme of all terrorist activities is JIHAD.
    Jihad is the backbone of Muslim conquests
    All Muslims by there teachings are potential jihadists
    Therefore all Muslims should be profiled until such time that the Islamic religion goes through a reformation and repudiates jihad, shariah law and conquest as part of their religion.
    It’s a religion of hate and within its own religion ( Sunni hate Shia) and against all those who are not followers of Mohammed’s Allah called kiafirs , Profile these potential Islamic religion persons . Keep the world safe.

  24. PRCS says

    Jun 7, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    As I read the article, the lawsuit was filed on behalf of AMERICAN CITIZENS who had been interrogated about their religious beliefs upon RETURNING to the U.S. after traveling abroad.

    No American citizen, not even a Muslim, should be grilled about their religious beliefs–and certainly not those of their family members–when returning FROM another country–unless there is a valid, specific law enforcement reason to do so.

    Repeat: the CAIR lawsuit–as I read the article–concerns AMERICAN CITIZENS.

    I fully support whatever legal questioning ICE believes necessary vis–à–vis foreign nationals; but c’mon–interrogating American citizens returning from a trip abroad?

    If you’re an American citizen and are reading this–what if it happens to you?

    **But–if CAIR is trying to conflate U.S. citizens and foreign nationals……

    Unless I missed it, the article is not about either the citizens of other countries nor legal U.S. residents. It is about American citizens.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 7, 2015 at 4:58 pm

      PRCS posted:

      “As I read the article, the lawsuit was filed on behalf of AMERICAN CITIZENS who had been interrogated about their religious beliefs upon RETURNING to the U.S. after traveling abroad.

      No American citizen, not even a Muslim, should be grilled about their religious beliefs–and certainly not those of their family members–when returning FROM another country”

      Huh? Are you implying that only foreigners should be grilled over their beliefs? It doesn’t matter if it’s labeled a religion or not, anyone believing an ideology that mandates warfare against non-adherents should be throughly examined. Should muslims holding American citizenship be left alone to preach hate and plot murder?

      “unless there is a valid, specific law enforcement reason to do so.”

      You mean, like looking for islamic terrorist acting upon islamic orthodoxy, which is an ideology that mandates warfare against, and subjugation of, non-muslims?

      “Repeat: the CAIR lawsuit–as I read the article–concerns AMERICAN CITIZENS.”

      Born Americans or naturalized?

      • PRCS says

        Jun 7, 2015 at 7:02 pm

        Angemon,

        The lawsuit is about American citizens being grilled about their religious beliefs upon returning from visiting another country–in that case: Canada.

        Whether they are American born or naturalized is irrelevant. They are Americans.

        Foreign nationals requesting certain visas, and those applying for citizenship undergo background checks, and certainly should be grilled about anything and everything ICE and others deem necessary to properly vet them–before granting their request.

        Unless there is a specific law enforcement reason to do so, grilling an American citizen about his or her religious beliefs upon return from a simple visit outside the U.S. is an outrage.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 7, 2015 at 7:37 pm

          PRCS posted:

          “Angemon,

          The lawsuit is about American citizens being grilled about their religious beliefs upon returning from visiting another country–in that case: Canada.

          Whether they are American born or naturalized is irrelevant. They are Americans.”

          Heaven forbid that any american muslim – sorry, any “American” – returning from, for example, Syria, is asked about his stance on martyrdom… Oh, the religionphobia!!!

          “Unless there is a specific law enforcement reason to do so, grilling an American citizen about his or her religious beliefs upon return from a simple visit outside the U.S. is an outrage.”

          You mean, like looking for islamic terrorist acting upon islamic orthodoxy, which is an ideology that mandates warfare against, and subjugation of, non-muslims?

        • PRCS says

          Jun 7, 2015 at 7:42 pm

          Why would you ask an American citizen upon return from a trip ANYWHERE about martyrdom?

          Should YOU be asked?

        • Angemon says

          Jun 7, 2015 at 8:31 pm

          PRCS posted:

          “Why would you ask an American citizen upon return from a trip ANYWHERE about martyrdom?”

          Are you not following the conversation and context? Or even your own words, for that matter?

          Unless there is a specific law enforcement reason to do so

          I’d say that profiling islamic terrorists entering American soil, whether they’re american citizens or not, seems like a good idea, wouldn’t you agree?

          “Should YOU be asked?”

          Let’s pretend, for the sake of the conversation, I’m an American citizen. Should I not be? Is there any sort of unspoken rule that makes me somehow above the law? I’m not a muslim – and you probably want to re-read the article – but suppose a member of the staff saw a copy of the quran in my luggage and heard me discussing with someone else about how islamic law allows for suicide bombings. Should they pretend they saw nothing, like the folks who heard Malik Hasan’s presentation on jihad, or should they try to determine if I was a possible threat, however cursory any possible examination might be? I wouldn’t like them assuming I was in favour of suicide bombings, but they would just be doing their job.

        • PRCS says

          Jun 8, 2015 at 12:54 am

          Angemon,

          Unless there is a specific law enforcement reason to do so…

          That is the key, you see, and only then. And, they’d better be sure there’s a need–for as you probably know, Robert Spencer carries a copy or two of the Qur’an on his trips AND might be overheard saying that “Islamic law allows for suicide bombings”.

          It is you who needs to reread the article.

          You are either confusing those American citizens (regardless of their religious beliefs) returning from a trip and those Foreign Nationals requesting a visa or applying for U.S. citizenship–or you are being intentionally ridiculous.

          Upon returning from a trip to, say Mexico, would you ask an American Catholic about their family’s religious beliefs, too?

          It is illegal to subject one group or another to unequal treatment. That’s why the lawsuit was filed.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 8, 2015 at 9:37 am

          PRCS posted:

          “It is you who needs to reread the article.”

          No, you do:

          U.S. border officials are using a questionnaire about religion to harass Muslim travelers, a Muslim advocacy group charges.

          (…)

          CAIR’s lawsuit argues that customs and border officials have unconstitutionally engaged in religious profiling, and that the questions contribute to a larger harassment of Muslim travelers.

          (…)

          “There is very obviously a concerted effort to question and intimidate Muslim-Americans based on their religious beliefs,” Gadeir Abbas, one of the attorneys representing the plaintiffs, told the Intercept. “The types of questions specifically asked of Muslim travelers

          They’re suing for religious discrimination. That the four people mentioned by them happen to be american is a bonus – this litigation is meant to stop muslims from being questioned, not American citizens (unless they happen to be muslims).

          “You are either confusing those American citizens (regardless of their religious beliefs) returning from a trip and those Foreign Nationals requesting a visa or applying for U.S. citizenship–or you are being intentionally ridiculous.”

          Why are you having so much difficulties to grasp the core concept? The ones being questioned were muslims. Should American authorities, tasked with protecting the American people, overlook someone deemed to be suspicious just because of their nationality?

          “Upon returning from a trip to, say Mexico, would you ask an American Catholic about their family’s religious beliefs, too?”

          And this is the part where you answer your own question:

          “Unless there is a specific law enforcement reason to do so”

          “It is illegal to subject one group or another to unequal treatment. That’s why the lawsuit was filed.”

          So, by your logic, there should be no difference in treatment between, for example, American citizens and foreigners, since it would be illegal to subject one group to unequal treatment.

          Face the facts: jihadis come from muslims. Not Catholics, or Protestants, or Jews, muslims. And that needs to be taken into consideration by law enforcement agencies.

        • PRCS says

          Jun 8, 2015 at 2:28 pm

          Here it is Angemon–real slow:

          If there is a SPECIFIC law enforcement need to question an individual American, or a group of Americans, upon their return from visiting another country, then that should happen–within the constraints of the law.

          To interrogate American citizens about their religious beliefs without a specific, law enforcement reason to do so (which is what you’re advocating for) constitutes discrimination–and is illegal.

          The U.S. Constitution and relevant U.S. laws are quite clear about that.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 8, 2015 at 3:50 pm

          PRCS posted:

          “If there is a SPECIFIC law enforcement need to question an individual American, or a group of Americans, upon their return from visiting another country, then that should happen–within the constraints of the law.”

          Which is what seemed to have happened. But you’re clamoring against it on one hand while arguing for it on another.

          I think you need to get your ideas together.

          “To interrogate American citizens about their religious beliefs without a specific, law enforcement reason to do so (which is what you’re advocating for)”

          Strawman. That’s not what I’m advocating. Re-read my posts.

        • PRCS says

          Jun 8, 2015 at 10:58 pm

          ““To interrogate American citizens about their religious beliefs without a specific, law enforcement reason to do so (which is what you’re advocating for)”

          As you’ve made it clear that only Muslims should be so interrogated, that’s exactly what you’re doing.

          At least be honest about that.

          I’m not going to re read your irrational posts. I have neither a desire nor an intention to comply with your commands.

          “If there is a SPECIFIC law enforcement need to question an individual American, or a group of Americans, upon their return from visiting another country, then that should happen–within the constraints of the law.”

          Which is what seemed to have happened

          Really?

          From which of the article’s sentences did you personally come to that conclusion?

          As Robert Spencer has asserted, repeatedly: equality before the law.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 9, 2015 at 10:55 am

          PRCS posted:

          “As you’ve made it clear that only Muslims should be so interrogated, that’s exactly what you’re doing.”

          Liar. I made it clear that muslims should be interrogated and why, not that only muslims should be interrogated.

          “At least be honest about that.”

          Huh? Do you even read what you write? Where did I try to be dishonest about interrogating muslims?

          “I’m not going to re read your irrational posts. ”

          Of course you won’t – much easier to dismiss something as being “irrational” than to acknowledge it as a valid criticism. Why, you’d have to actually rebut them!

          “I have neither a desire nor an intention to comply with your commands.”

          And yet, you tell me to be honest. Honest about a strawman you created, none the less.

          “From which of the article’s sentences did you personally come to that conclusion?”

          Go re-read my posts – I already explained what islam mandates.

          “As Robert Spencer has asserted, repeatedly: equality before the law.”

          And, like you stated, “unless there is a valid, specific law enforcement reason to do so”.

          Once again: either you’re against interrogating all and every American citizens (and I’ll let the whole “no distinction between groups unless it’s between Americans and foreigners” slide because you don’t seem able to walk and chew gum at the same time) or you admit interrogating some American citizens if there’s a reason to do so.

          You can’t have your cake and eat it.

  25. PRCS says

    Jun 9, 2015 at 2:12 pm

    “Liar. I made it clear that muslims should be interrogated and why, not that only muslims should be interrogated.”

    Refresh my memory: why should American Muslims be interrogated?

    “either you’re against interrogating all and every American citizens—or you admit interrogating some American citizens if there’s a reason to do so. ”

    Any and all American citizens–provided there’s a specific law enforcement reason to do so.

    You?

    Equality for all before the law.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 9, 2015 at 3:16 pm

      PRCS posted:

      “Refresh my memory: why should American Muslims be interrogated?”

      Go read my posts. While you’re at it, point out where I said only muslims should be questioned. You made that false claim, now prove it or retract your words.

      “Any and all American citizens–provided there’s a specific law enforcement reason to do so.”

      So which way is it? Either you’re against interrogating all and every American citizens or you admit interrogating some American citizens if there’s a reason to do so.

      You can’t have your cake and eat it.

      “Equality for all before the law.”

      Once again, by your own words:

      “unless there is a valid, specific law enforcement reason to do so”

      You can’t have your cake and eat it.

  26. PRCS says

    Jun 9, 2015 at 5:44 pm

    ” I made it clear that muslims should be interrogated and why”

    Refresh my memory, tell me:why American Muslims should be interrogated.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 9, 2015 at 5:48 pm

      PRCS posted:

      “Refresh my memory, tell me:why American Muslims should be interrogated.”

      Or you could scroll up and re-read what I posted.

      Meanwhile, which way is it? Either you’re against interrogating all and every American citizen or you admit interrogating some American citizens if there’s a reason to do so.

      You can’t have your cake and eat it.

  27. PRCS says

    Jun 9, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    “Repeat: the CAIR lawsuit–as I read the article–concerns AMERICAN CITIZENS.”

    Born Americans or naturalized?

    As if that has even the slightest relevance.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 9, 2015 at 9:26 pm

      Let me remind you – again – of what I asked you:

      Either you’re against interrogating all and every American citizens crossing the border or you admit interrogating some American citizens if there’s a reason to do so, in which case you don’t get to complain about American citizens being interrogated when crossing the border. Which way is it?

      You can’t have your cake and eat it.

  28. PRCS says

    Jun 9, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    “Refresh my memory, tell me:why American Muslims should be interrogated.”

    Can’t remember what you wrote?

    What a tangled web you’ve weaved.

    “Meanwhile, which way is it? Either you’re against interrogating all and every American citizen or you admit interrogating some American citizens if there’s a reason to do so.”

    Well, I.ve been stringing you along for a few posts now, and should have told you before: those two poorly constructed sentences are so grammatically incoherent I can’t really ascertain what you’re babbling about.

    Let me unpack that bit of idiocy in a manner that even a dullard should be able to realize how stupid it makes you appear:

    *Unlike you, I’m against the interrogation of American citizens–unless there is a specific law enforcement reason to do so. Even Muslims.

    *You want me to admit that I have interrogated some Americans when there have been specific law enforcement reasons to do so?

    Sorry, can’t help you, there. I haven’t interrogated anyone, anywhere, for any reason.

    You came to this thread to post asinine, uninformed, know nothing, snarky drivel, and I do admit that it truly has been fun making a fool of you.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 9, 2015 at 9:38 pm

      PRCS posted:

      “Unlike you, I’m against the interrogation of American citizens–unless there is a specific law enforcement reason to do so. Even Muslims.”

      So which way is it? Either you’re against interrogating all and every American citizens crossing the border or you admit interrogating some American citizens if there’s a reason to do so, in which case you don’t get to complain about American citizens being interrogated when crossing the border.

      You can’t have your cake and eat it.

      • PRCS says

        Jun 10, 2015 at 5:06 am

        “Unlike you, I’m against the interrogation of American citizens–unless there is a specific law enforcement reason to do so. Even Muslims.”

        Ask your parents to help you grasp the meaning of those two sentences.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 10, 2015 at 7:41 am

          So which way is it? Either you’re against interrogating all and every American citizens crossing the border or you admit interrogating some American citizens if there’s a reason to do so, in which case you don’t get to complain about American citizens being interrogated when crossing the border.

          You can’t have your cake and eat it.

  29. OldBlackCats says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    So ICE is questioning ””muslim travellers”’ not citizens of the US? I agree that ICE should question ANY muslim traveler coming into the USA. Tourists, visitors, on visas, students, etc are NOT US Citizens and they HAVE NO RIGHTS AS US CITIZENS. Yes, they can be turned away at US BORDERS. I think this is only purdent. Assuming the mohammadans are TELLING THE TRUTH. haha on that joke. The commentary here is assuming they are citizens, but the article says only ‘travelers’ which we can opine are NOT US CITIZENS. And are we so stupid to think we can shut our eyes and let this CAIR hamas terror linked organization push our US Laws and we allow CAIR TO BLIND US? Are we this fricking STUPID? NO, we need to be viligent, and when old grey haired Irish women begin to blow up buildings and kill our citizens of the USA, then perhaps I will be only too happy to answer a few questions for the safety of my fellow CITIZENS.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 4:06 pm

      OldBlackCats posted:

      “The commentary here is assuming they are citizens, but the article says only ‘travelers’ which we can opine are NOT US CITIZENS.”

      Actually, the article says “The suit was filed in 2012 on behalf of four Americans“. But you’re correct, CAIR’s goal seems to to stop any attempt of inquiry into any muslim, American or not.

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