Another brilliant piece of analysis from Daniel Greenfield breaks down how Islam has attained its unique status as the “Teflon Religion.” No one may criticize Islam, and woe to those who do.
“How Islam in America Became a Privileged Religion,” by Daniel Greenfield, FrontPage, June 3, 2015
What is Islam? The obvious dictionary definition answer is that it’s a religion, but legally speaking it actually enjoys all of the advantages of race, religion and culture with none of the disadvantages.
Islam is a religion when mandating that employers accommodate the hijab, but when it comes time to bring it into the schools, places that are legally hostile to religion, American students are taught about Islam, visit mosques and even wear burkas and recite Islamic prayers to learn about another culture. Criticism of Islam is denounced as racist even though the one thing that Islam clearly isn’t is a race.
Islamist organizations have figured out how lock in every advantage of race, religion and culture, while expeditiously shifting from one to the other to avoid any of the disadvantages.
The biggest form of Muslim privilege has been to racialize Islam. The racialization of Islam has locked in all the advantages of racial status for a group that has no common race, only a common ideology.
Islam is the only religion that cannot be criticized. No other religion has a term in wide use that treats criticism of it as bigotry. Islamophobia is a unique term because it equates dislike of a religion with racism. Its usage makes it impossible to criticize that religion without being accused of bigotry.
By equating religion with race, Islam is treated not as a particular set of beliefs expressed in behaviors both good and bad, but as an innate trait that like race cannot be criticized without attacking the existence of an entire people. The idea that Islamic violence stems from its beliefs is denounced as racist.
Muslims are treated as a racial collective rather than a group that shares a set of views about the world.
That has made it impossible for the left to deal with ex-Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi Ali or non-Muslims from Muslim families like Salman Rushdie. If Islam is more like skin color than an ideology, then ex-Muslims, like ex-Blacks, cannot and should not exist. Under such conditions, atheism is not a debate, but a hate crime. Challenging Islam does not question a creed; it attacks the existence of an entire people.
Muslim atheists, unlike all other atheists, are treated as race traitors both by Muslims and leftists. The left has accepted the Brotherhood’s premise that the only authentic Middle Easterner is a Muslim (not a Christian or a Jew) and that the only authentic Muslim is a Salafist (even if they don’t know the word).
The racialization of Islam has turned blasphemy prosecutions into an act of tolerance while making a cartoon of a religious figure racist even when it is drawn by ex-Muslims like Bosch Fawstin. The New York Times will run photos of Chris Ofili’s “The Holy Virgin Mary” covered in dung and pornography, but refuses to run Mohammed cartoons because it deems one anti-religious and the other racist.
The equating of Islam with Arabs and Pakistanis has made it nearly impossible for the media to discuss violence against Christians in those parts of the world. The racialization of Islam has made Arab Christians, like Bangladeshi atheists, a contradiction in terms. The ethnic cleansing of the Yazidi could only be covered by giving them a clearly defined separate identity. Middle Eastern Christians are increasingly moving to avoid being categorized as Arabs because it is the only way to break through this wall of ignorance.
While racialization is the biggest Muslim privilege, race provides no protection for many Islamic religious practices. Muslims then seek religious discrimination laws to protect these practices even if it’s often a matter of debate whether their lawsuits protect their religious practices or impose them on others.
Islam is a theocracy. When it leaves the territories conquered by Islam, it seeks to replicate that theocracy through violence and by adapting the legal codes of the host society to suit its purposes.
Islamic blasphemy laws are duplicated using hate crime laws. Employers are obligated to make religious concessions to Muslim employees because of laws protecting religious practices, but many of these practices, such as refusing to carry out jobs involving pork, liquor or Seeing Eye dogs, are really ways of theocratically forcing behaviors that Islam forbids out of public life much as Saudi Arabia or Iran do.
Accusations of bigotry are used to outlaw ideas that Islam finds blasphemous and religious protection laws are used to banish behaviors that it disapproves of. By switching from race to religion and back again, Islamists construct a virtual theocracy by exploiting laws designed to protect different types of groups.
Religions in America traded theocracy for religious freedom. They gave up being able to impose their practices on others in exchange for being able to freely practice their own religions. Islam rejects religious freedom. It exploits it to remove the freedom of belief and practice of others. When it cannot do so through religious protection laws, it does so through claims of bigotry.
Religions were not meant to be immunized from blasphemy because that is theocracy. Instead religions are protected from restrictions, rather than from criticism. Islam insists on being protected from both. It makes no concessions to the freedom of others while demanding maximum religious accommodation.
While race and religion are used to create negative spaces in which Islam cannot be challenged, the creed is promoted positively as a culture. Presenting Islam as a culture allows it easier entry into schools and cultural institutions. Islamic missionary activity uses the Western longing for oriental exotica that its political activists loudly decry to inject it into secular spaces that would ordinarily be hostile to organized religion.
Leftists prefer to see Islam as a culture rather than a religion. Their worldview is not open to Islam’s clumsy photocopy of the deity that they have already rejected in their own watered down versions of Christianity and Judaism. But they are constantly seeking an aimless and undefined spirituality in non-Western cultures that they imagine are free of the materialism and hypocrisy of Western culture.
Viewing Islam as a culture allows the left to project its own ideology on a blank slate. That is why liberals remain passionately convinced that Islam is a religion of social justice. Their Islam is a mirror that reflects back their own views and ideas at them. They pretend to respect Islam as a culture without bothering to do any more than learn a few words and names so that they can seem like world travelers.
By morphing into a culture, Islam sheds its content and becomes a style, a form of dress, a drape of cloth, a style of beard, a curvature of script and a whiff of spices. It avoids uncomfortable questions about what the Koran actually says and instead sells the religion as a meaningful lifestyle. This approach has always had a great deal of appeal for African-Americans who were cut off from their own heritage through Islamic slavery, but it also enjoys success with white upper class college students.
The parents of those students often learn too late that Islam is not just another interchangeable monotheistic religion, that its mosques are not places where earnest grad students lecture elderly congregants about social justice and that its laws are not reducible to the importance of being nice to others.
Like a magician using misdirection, these transformations from religion to race, from race to culture and from culture to religion, distract Americans from asking what Islam really believes. By combining race, religion and culture, it replicates the building blocks of its theocracy within our legal and social spaces.
Separately each of these has its advantages and disadvantages. By combining them, Islam gains the advantages of all three, and by moving from one to the other, it escapes all of the disadvantages. The task of its critics is to deracialize Islam, to reduce it to an ideology and to ask what it really believes.
Islam is a privileged religion. And there’s a word for that. Theocracy.
mortimer says
The US Supreme Court has already ruled on blasphemy. The US constitution does not protect any religion from criticism.
U.S. law values and permits the right to blaspheme because there is no established ‘American religion’. What is ‘sacred’ to one person may be highly ‘blasphemous’ to another. Without an officially defined state religion, it is not the responsibility of the judges to intervene.
-Justice Clark in 1952 wrote: “…it is enough to point out that the state has no
legitimate interest in protecting any or all religions from views distasteful
to them. … It is not the business of government in our nation to suppress real
or imagined attacks upon a particular religious doctrine.”
-Justice Frankfurter noted that beliefs “…dear to one may seem the rankest ‘sacrilege’ to another,” and added concerning “sacrilegious” speech: “…history does not encourage reliance on the wisdom and moderation of the censor.”
This fairly describes the US law as it sits today. FREEDOM OFSPEECH IS THE RIGHT TO OFFEND—EVEN TO BLASPHEME. Islam is not protected from criticism by the US constitution.
Jaladhi says
I would say Islam enjoys a “privileged” status due to our own stupidity, political correctness being one of them. Knowing Islamic history of murder and mayhem all over the world it should not have been given any religious status in non-Muslim countries.
William Ash says
Maybe instead of draw the Puppet contests, the ultimate challenge would be to see who can successfully start a new religion based on the same ideologies as Islam such as death to unbelievers etc, etc, and achieve government official religious and charity status recognition?
Theodoric says
Recently reported theolinguistic evidence indicates that the so-called “Prophet” Muhammad was actually a dinosaur. Doesn’t it seem quite likely that there will a massive exodus of Muhammadans from Islam when this becomes common knowledge?
Muhammasaurus Rasulex:
* Last of the Prophets among the Dinosaurs
* Last of the Dinosaurs among the Prophets
https://drawthevileprophet.wordpress.com/2015/05/09/scholars-are-asking-was-the-prophet-muhammad-actually-a-dinosaur/
RonaldB says
“The parents of those students often learn too late that Islam is not just another interchangeable monotheistic religion, that its mosques are not places where earnest grad students lecture elderly congregants about social justice and that its laws are not reducible to the importance of being nice to others.”
Daniel brings up an important point. Where are students, and younger people, going to find out the truth about Islam? It may or may not be too late to stop the Islamization of the West, but at least the people coming out of college and coming out of religious education have the right to know what they’re fighting. We know the national security agencies are forbidden to mention Islam with terrorism; we know that national religious organizations like the Catholics and the Reform Jews teach that Islam is like any other religion, give or take a few bad apples.
Which is a shame, because religious teaching is probably the least subject to government control…at least for the moment.
As it stands now, most students don’t even have the option of choosing. They are not even presented with the idea of a conflict of civilization and cultures, and that Islam as a culture and as a religion has a strong imperative to spread itself. I guess they spend so much time apologizing for colonialism in the past and slavery in the past, rather than looking at different sides of it, they can’t recognize a colonial, slave culture immediately threatening them. And, I’m not suggesting a good side to slavery, but that today’s students had better have more of an idea of it than Uncle Tom’s Cabin, as there is a real possibility in the foreseeable future that they will have more than a passing acquaintance with it.
Sabri S. says
What a bunch of rubbish and BS!?! The youth and numerous under served groups
Are actively embracing Islam because it is actual truth. It also offers a blueprint on
How to live a clean, moral and god – centered life. While the bigots focus on the middle east, where
Only 10% of the muslim population live by the way, American and European Muslims
Will lead the way in this generation and beyond.
This focus on a few terrorists and countries, all paid for and supported by your US
Government, has simply gotten old and no longer resonates with any intelligent person.
Neither does calling Jesus “God” in human form…absolutely stupid and nonsensical. Islam
Privileged in America?!?…ridiculous…if so, why is it vilified so much in your media.
Why are your people and government so scared and threatened that they are bankrupting
Your country with their out of control military spending?…and now your Kaffir government
Is cozy with Iran now – a country that hates you and publicly advertises this throughout
Every major city in Iran…we do not need privilege or your deficient man made laws to thrive.
Our superior values carry us everywhere in the world. No muslim Country has done drone
Attacks, military occupation, imperialism, etc…..Islam is not the problem…you people
Are!
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Sabri S,
“…embracing Islam because it is actual truth. It also offers a blueprint on
How to live a clean, moral and god – centered life.”
Yes, there are indeed some passages in the Qur’an about no compulsion in religion, being kind to each other, helping the poor etc.
Are you familiar with the difference between the Meccan texts and the Medinan texts, as they apply to the principle of chronological abrogation?
Angemon says
The deficient muslim posted:
“The youth and numerous under served groups
Are actively embracing Islam because it is actual truth.”
Prove it. Prove that satan sleeps in your nostrils. Prove that shooting stars are missiles shot by allah to shot down demons. Prove that the Earth is flat. Prove that the sun sets in a pool of murky water.
“It also offers a blueprint on
How to live a clean, moral and god – centered life.”
The so-called “moral” lifestyle resulting of islam sanctions raping little girls, denies rights to women and minorities, enforces two different set of rules depending on one’s religion, and anyone who openly speaks against it will have their lives forfeit, in a brutal fashion.
You call it a blueprint to a moral life, I call it a blueprint for a reign of terror.
“Islam
Privileged in America?!?…ridiculous…”
Nope. Factual
“if so, why is it vilified so much in your media.”
What media? The media who routinely tar Spencer and Gellar as “racists”? The media who routinely try to scrub all mentions of islam from terrorist attacks/plots? The media who blatantly and irresponsibly lie as to make islam pass as palatable to Western sensibilities?
“and now your Kaffir government
Is cozy with Iran now – a country that hates you and publicly advertises this throughout
Every major city in Iran…”
Why, Sabri, islam is a muslim-majority country – you should be overjoyed with this act of American “outreach”…
“we do not need privilege or your deficient man made laws to thrive.
Our superior values carry us everywhere in the world.”
And you don’t see the contradiction in that? How your “superior values” carry muslims away from whatever particular hellhole islam turned their land into to live in prosperous, Western nations, ruled by man-made laws?
“No muslim Country has done drone
Attacks”
Because that kind of technology is not something that could be created in 7th century Arabia.
“military occupation, imperialism, etc…..”
Actually, islamic countries have a long history of military occupation and imperialism. The ottoman empire, living under the “moral, god-centered” lifestyle derived from islam, was one of the largest, if not the largest, colonial empires of history. 100 years ago they killed Christians by the millions. Have the turks recognized it? Have they apologized for it? No.
“Islam is not the problem…you people
Are!”
Let me guess: the solution for the problem that is not islam is everyone converting to islam. Along that same line of thought, the problem is not the rapists, it’s the women wearing revealing outfits, and the solution is that they allow themselves to be raped.
RonaldB says
Well, Sabri,
It’s kind of hard to pick out an actual argument or train of logic from your post.
You seem to be arguing that under Islam people will be happy, prosperous and moral.
To a certain extent, there is no meeting of the mind between Islam and the West. The typical Westerner sees the individual choice to be moral, and the freedom to speak, argue, create, and innovate to be most important. The typical Westerner respects the choice of others, though he may not agree with them, and respects their right to keep their property.
Islam is the complete opposite to that. Under Islam, your thoughts and speech is rigidly controlled. The individual has no rights. Morality is not an individual matter at all, but is dictated by a rigid set of rules.
Some of the particulars of Islam allow the raping of women, the marriage of prepubescent girls, the forcible control of women, and the beating of wives. In other words, the thought of Islam nauseates any self-respecting Westerner, once he realizes what Islam really entails.
In many cases, a logical, moral instruction in what Islam really is will cause a Muslim to leave Islam. People like Father Boutros Zakarias and Jay Smith have had some success in this area, as has Ali Sina. Many Muslims simply did not realize how morally degraded Islam is.
However, you do have committed Muslims, aware of Islam. For them, there is no real reconciliation between the West and their frame of reference. There is really no reason for them to be in the West. If they want to live in an Islamic society, there are 57 to choose from, and they need to go to one of them.
In other words, the moral Westerner will recoil in horror at the thought of sharia law, and feels he has the right to not live under it. I agree. Since Muslims feel it their duty to impose sharia by any means necessary, including force, there is no middle ground. If you feel Islam and sharia is superior, then the Muslim society you choose to stay in should prove itself technically and morally superior if you’re correct. I encourage you to give it a shot.
I’m including a few references to people who have labored to speak to Muslims themselves, for the purpose of exposing just how immoral Islam is. I don’t expect them to affect you, but it does change some. Like I say, they committed Muslims ought not to be living in the West.
http://alisina.org/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
http://www.fatherzakaria.net/
Jack Diamond says
Let’s try this again. “Your people and government”; previously it was “your American leadership” ”your infidel country”…but in other posts you’ve said it was “our military” and “our country” (the USA) and that your cousin was on his 4th tour. When did “our” become a “your”? When you formed the ISIA? Or just by virtue of being Muslim who can never be a loyal American because it is always the Ummah first? Did you include your cousin in your desire for all American soldiers to come home in caskets?
You’ll be happy to know many of us are not just focused on the Middle East and are very aware of the nightmare Muslims are bringing to Europe and America with their Islam.
Why, we are even focused on the Muslims in Africa and Asia! Because Islam works the same everywhere and anywhere true Muslims are following their Al-Insān al-kāmil. “No Muslim country has done military occupation, imperialism”… you are a riot, how do you think Muslim countries became Muslim? Why did the Islamic armies ever leave Arabia? What were the three choices and only three choices Muhammad and then his Rightly Guided Companions gave any infidel countries (non-pagan) before they were attacked? Hint: it was convert, die, or live in humiliation as third-class inferiors to the Muslims and that “protection” (from the war declared on them entirely for what they believe) easily revoked should they object to their oppression or do anything to give offense to Muslims (and everything kaffir offends them). Imperialism, a little? Does eradicating a culture because it belongs to the realm of pre-Islamic ignorance (Jahiliyyah) and imposing everything Arab Muslim qualify as colonialism?
But then you know all that, that’s why you love the Islamic State (from a safe distance).
Judi says
Jack – excellent comment.
Huck Folder says
Sabri Shit:
Is that what the S. stands for?
You really believe your own shit? Or are you a leftard troll, or a Mossad ‘talking-point generator’?
“…embracing Islam because it is actual truth.”
As opposed to ‘theoretical’ truth? Ever heard of abrogation, hudna, taqiyya, kitman, Satanic Verses…? And your citation is the ouroboros Book of Hate™? “I am holy, unique, perfect, immutable (except for abrogations and Satanic Verses) and IDENTICAL with that at allah’s side – because I say so. Problem is, the editor of said ouroboros was Uthman, and Gabriel never whispered in his ear to his fevered brain, like he supposedly did to some epileptic sociopath. Say what YOU like, you will NEVER prove that as the word of god!
“…a blueprint on How to live a clean, moral and god – centered life.” [Not allah-centered?]
Except for a few (hundreds of thousands) terrorists.
“No muslim [sic] Country has done drone Attacks, military occupation, imperialism, etc”
Astounding. I guess the fornicating caravan bandit you worship wasn’t a ‘muslim Country’ yet, when he attacked during a truce period, and committed genocide against the Banu Quraiza…. Perhaps you’d care to clarify on that. And those ‘clean, moral and god – centered’ foaming-at-the-mouth-jihadi-hordes trashed at the Gates of Vienna were just an ’empire’ extending their colonies, rather than a ‘muslim Country’ – play semantricks much?
“This focus on a FEW terrorists and countries…”
Hmmm, a few hundred thousands, backed by a rabid few million in the second echelon, all supported by a 1.5 billion ‘see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil’ SILENT majority, including yourself. Or are you in the second echelon?
As for the ‘few’ countries, is 57 enough? Actually, jihadists have probably come from the MAJORITY of the UN’s 200 odd member states.
And what do the zombie-worshiper-of-mo JIHADISTS have in common?
islam
Jax Tolmen says
There is a point where right and wrong begin to become irrelevant – and are replaced by who is the strongest, such as in times of war.
Right and wrong are unfortunately subjective. There is no such thing as universal morality. It disappears when the need to survive rises to the fore.
Even if you believe that Islam is the correct way for the world, it is irrelevant as your snivelling religion has the backing of weak states and weak people. The West is strong. You are weak.
Remember that when the unequivocal truth of warfare breaks Islam’s spine – the stronger, more advanced Civilisation will ALWAYS win, and you can’t dodge bullets. The future will belong to those who slander your prophet – because those people are far stronger and better equipped than you are.
Oppressaphobe says
You are an inbred bunch of throwbacks that don’t belong in America
my
country. You are here to steal, kill, and destroy because you are the
spawn
of Satan. You are awakening a Sleeping Giant in America—we are
not
yet Europe creep. You and your entire culture are trying to dominate
everyone
and there is no such thing as a dialogue with you people–any on you–
you’re
all the same. I listen to people trying to converse with you and you talk
right
over them. You never shut up about yourselves and your creepy ass
families
and your ‘rights’ in OUR country. You have gotten where you have gotten
by
totally unfair, unrighteous and illegal gains and using all your various
groups
and your money from stinking oil. What you ultimately want is to take
over
America and gain all the resources and wealth of this great land. You
are
not about religion—that’s crap—you are about filthy lucre and power!!!
God
hates your sins and you will NOT go unpunished for pushing your way
into
our country and bullying Christians around like you do. You will answer
to
our God for every transgression against his people. America will wake
up
and we will have you for lunch because our God is real and our God is
great
and you are the children of Satan himself.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Oppressaphobe,
“God is real and our God is great and you are the children of Satan himself.”
That’s what they all say!
You were doing pretty well there for awhile, I mean, filtering out the crackpot ranting nature of your diatribe to get to the bits of true substance within it…you actually had some good points, albeit wrapped up in some rather sweeping generalizations…and the inbreeding thing really doesn’t work so well…
But, things kinda went from bad to worse when you got to your spawn of Satan closing. You might want to touch that verbiage up a bit…I’m just sayin’
Stardusty Psyche says
“Islam is the only religion that cannot be criticized” he says in an article criticizing Islam…rather ironic.
“Islam is the only religion that cannot be criticized” except for all the TV and radio broadcasts, articles, blogs, preachers, web pages, politicians, and organized events criticizing Islam.
To be fair I suppose the author was exaggerating to make the point about the difficulties, false attributions of racism, PC hysteria, and violent hazards of criticizing Islam, which are indeed unique among modern religions.
“Muslim atheists, unlike all other atheists, are treated as race traitors both by Muslims and leftists.”
Muslim atheist? Is that like Christian atheist, Hindu atheist…?
There can be a Jewish atheist because being a Jew is both an ethnicity, and a religion, so one can stop believing in god yet remain ethnically a Jew.
But, the author says Islam is not a race, so “Muslim atheist” is self contradictory. Use of the term may be a Freudian slip betraying a racial component to the author’s own opinions.
Anyone who has any sense knows Islam is not a race. But who says racists have sense? Some racists are very bright people aside from their racism, but for a racist race can lead to the conclusion that a person is a Muslim.
Islam is not a race, but racists can use race to assume an individual is Muslim.
Islam is a fascist, misogynistic, homophobic, homicidal, suicidal, genocidal, enslaving, and barbaric doctrine.
But claiming Islam cannot be criticized in an article criticizing Islam is just a bit silly, as is denying any racial component to bigotry against individual Muslims who are otherwise fine human beings.
RonaldB says
I would like to reply to some of your assertions. And dispute does not equate to invective. I have nothing against different opinions being expressed.
You mentioned the paradox of claiming that Islam cannot be criticized on the media, in the context of an article on the internet criticizing Islam. So, is there or is there not a filter on criticism of Islam in the media, how strong is the filter, and how extensive is it?
Obviously, given the widespread nature of the internet, at this point any website can be constructed to argue any viewpoint. So, you have Nazi websites, al-qaeda websites, anti-Islam websites, and anti-immigration websites. It’s a free exchange of ideas, with the reader free to discover his own truth. Of course, once the doctrine of “net neutrality” gets going, the free exchange of ideas on the internet will be reduced dramatically. Does anyone feel that the government, particularly the Obama administration, won’t take the opportunity of increased regulatory power, to make judgments as to content?
But, we do have a “mainstream” media, which is what most people use. In most mainstream media articles, including Fox, you have descriptions of Islamist movements and radical Islamist groups, but very little discussion of the roots of Islamic violence in the canons (basic teachings) of Islam. In the US government itself, there is an ironclad rule that Islam is not to be discussed in relation to terrorism. This can be dated to a policy directive on White House stationary of October 2011
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/05/21/obama-administration-scrubbed-jihad-and-islam-from-counterterrorism-manuals/
As far as being anti-Islamic and racist, it might interest you to know that the OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation) has extended the definition of racism to include statements against Islam. So, when the UN and Islamic organizations condemn criticism of Islam as racism, they are being internally consistent. Like the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland, words mean what you say they mean.
Racism is exactly orthogonal to discussions of Islam: that is, it’s a factor which if you use it, adds nothing to the discussion and if you leave it out, you lose nothing.
That’s exactly why defenders of Islamic advancement use the terminology of racism. It deflects attention from Islam itself. It attaches to the criticism of Islam a whole body of negative connotations which are not logically derived from the criticisms themselves, but which serve to suppress criticism without actually dealing with the content.
You mention individual Muslims who are fine people. Almost every critic of Islam has the same observation. Bosch Fawstin, the ex-Muslim cartoonist, makes the comment that most Muslims are morally superior to Muhammad himself. Nevertheless, we are dealing with organized philosophies here, which is carrying out a coordinated attack on our system of society and government. As in war, do we get to a point where individual differences have to be dissolved into the objectives of war and defense? It’s a tough moral question.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi RonaldB,
Thank you for that thoughtful reply.
.”Does anyone feel that the government, particularly the Obama administration, won’t take the opportunity of increased regulatory power, to make judgments as to content?”
No, I don’t see any move by Obama to regulate web sites based on judgements about content. Not sure where you are getting that from. I think you are overly concerned or maybe the NSA spying has got you a bit jangly or something…dunno.
“Racism is exactly orthogonal to discussions of Islam:”
Ideally, yes, in practice, no. Racists do not think like reasonable people. When a person is labeled a terrorist, or assaulted for “looking Muslim”, there is a racist component to Islam in the mind of the racist.
As you point out, the opposite case is equally false, yet happens all to frequently, the knee jerk branding of a critic of Islam as a racist. Ben Affleck made himself the poster boy for this on a Bill Maher show.
Fox is mainstream now and they criticize Islam continually. Conservative papers such as The Washington Times publish criticisms, as do Magazines such as The Atlantic.
Even CNN provides some balance by having people like Pamela Geller on giving them substantial air time, and anyone tuning in to CNN during that segment is sure to hear vociferous criticism of Islam.
Obama told a big lie about Islam for several reasons, none of which are that he is a closet Muslim.
1. He has formed a military alliance with Islamic countries. The grand muftis are all spouting the same mantra as the whole Arab league lends support to killing our enemies. The Lie serves the diplomatic purpose of assisting in bringing together a pretty amazing alliance of the Arab League, the West, and even marginally Iran.
2. Avoidance of recruitment. Every issue of Dabiq contains a section “In the Words of the Enemy”.
http://www.clarionproject.org/news/islamic-state-isis-isil-propaganda-magazine-dabiq
If even the Great Satan says IS is the pure Islam that would be a big recruitment boost among the true believers.
3. Troop and personnel safety. Whenever there is an anti-Islam event or statement Islamonutjobs around the world go bonkers. We all know that makes them fruitcakes, but they are fruitcakes with guns and bombs so sometimes it is safer for our troops and personnel to not poke the wild animal.
4. Obama is talking over our heads. Yes, it pisses off a lot of people to hear the “nothing about Islam” lie. Our emotional reaction is of no tactical importance for our troops in the field under his command.
So, while it is true that official administration policy is the “nothing to do with Islam” lie there are increasing numbers of politicians from the local level on up who are speaking out. A number of anti-sharia laws have already been enacted.
Overall, the premise the article:
“Islam is the only religion that cannot be criticized”
is simply false, but we might excuse the statement as hyperbole for dramatic effect in pointing out the real biases and dangers in criticizing Islam that do in fact exist.
Jay Boo says
“Hi RonaldB,
Thank you for that thoughtful reply.”
Such politeness is merely a diversion to disguise Stardusty Psyche’s deliberate OFF TOPIC RUDENESS
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Jay Boo,
“Such politeness is merely a diversion to disguise Stardusty Psyche’s deliberate OFF TOPIC RUDENESS”
How was my response to RonaldB either off the topics he raised or rude to RonaldB?
RonaldB wrote one of the few thoughtful and well reasoned responses I have yet to receive here, and in my view warranted a response in kind.
Your comment, by contrast, was vacuous.
Jack Holan says
I FB this Opinion to get the widest distribution with people I know. Most people aren’t aware of even half of this danger. I guess we need to get more education out into the public domain fast
Susan says
How do we do that? The media wouldn’t, they are to busy covering up for islam. The schools wouldn’t Controlled by the MB in America at least. The government wouldn’t when the (p)resident is muslim and a large part of his government has been filled with MB members. Maybe we could start a billboard campaign supported by donations from the likes of us. Maybe we could produce educational pamphlets and distribute them in malls and street corners. As long as there is freedom of speech these things are doable. I thing I noticed is that incident with Pamela Geller generated some informative comments from both Pamela and Robert that normally do not get air time. I almost felt that it could be a turning point.
Susan says
Typo should be One thing not 1 thing.
Wellington says
Fine article by Greenfield. Reading it just confirmed for me again that the chief obstacle to properly identifying Islam for the spiritual fascism which it is lies not with Muslims but with modern liberals.
Islam is awful and modern liberalism is foolish. As allies though, they make for a powerful force opposing liberty, common sense, moral intelligence, equality under the law and, most of all, truth. Compounding this invidious alliance is the state of modern conservatism which, while still possessed of many sound, even noble, ideas, has lost much of the stomach for a good fight. For confirmation of this, just look at how many on the Right are more afraid to be called a bigot than they are resolved to state the truth of things.
What comes to mind here is that line from a poem, The Second Coming, by W.B. Yeats. It’s well known and goes as follows: “The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”
Starddusty Psyche says
Hi Wellington,
” modern liberalism is foolish”
See, I am having a positive effect on you because now you are starting to make some sense around here. Oh, I know, you will deny my positive subliminal effects on your psyche, but I am a pragmatist, and your reasoned statements are reward enough for me 🙂
Sam Harris, Bill Maher, and the other so called new atheists are out to restore the good name of liberalism and rescue it from its present morass of self destructive politically correct muddled islamopandering foolishness.
Or maybe they just want to sell some more books…either way, not all liberals are islamofools.
Wellington says
Listen up, Star Boy You have had zero positive effect on me, though your ego thinking so does not surprise me in the least. You either know this or you should know it. To date, I see no evidence of “knowing.”
I’m not sure what you’re up to here at JW. But whatever it is, it ain’t a positive.
Kepha says
Stardusky, as a committed Evangelical Christian who has had some public disagreements here with my fellow poster Wellington, I can discern no influence of yours on Wellington’s thinking–and I’ve seen him post here for a good many years. Wellington has been a very consistent critic of the liberal punditry and its overzealous accommodation of Muslim sensitivities.
While I’m glad that you find present-day “liberals” to be foolish, I can pretty much vouch that Wellington was thinking that way long before I started seeing your posts here.
Wellington says
Thank you for that, Kepha. You are, whatever our disagreements, a truth seeker. I could never say that of Stardusty Psyche——off hand, I can’t think of a regular commenter here at JW who “gets” Islam who would
Take care, my Christian friend and ally.
Kepha says
Starry: Sam Harris and Bill Maher also neglect to tell people like you that in the 20th century alone, it was their fellow rebels against traditional belief who put to death over 170,000,000 people for thought crimes, keeping property, “refusal to share”, and imprisoned or displaced millions more–considerably more people being victimized in the names of “social justice”, “progress”, and other modern idols than suffered for the wrong kind of Christianity or none at all in the fifteen centuries between the conversion of Constantine and Ruggles v. New York (1811).
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Kepha,
“fellow rebels against traditional belief”
So, all rebel against traditional belief are one big lump and if anybody of them kills 170,000,000 people then Sam Harris and Bill Maher must be their “fellows”?
I have heard some dijointed arguments here at JW, but that may be a new low of irrationality.
Please find a quote from either Sam Harris or Bill Maher wherein they align themselves with these mass murderers…
Ridiculous
Edward says
“Reading it just confirmed for me again that the chief obstacle to properly identifying Islam for the spiritual fascism which it is lies not with Muslims but with modern liberals.”
Now you (are) Thinking!
Well done Wellington. You have ID’ the in-house enemy. Liberalism is the minus of any equation. Always robbing the fruits of righteous humanity!
“The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.”
“When we lose touch with God we spiral out of control” – William Butler Yeats
Angemon says
Greenfield nails it, again.
nacazo says
Daniel, yes. But let’s fight it. When it’s treated as a race, ask what race is the muslim Yusuf Cat stevens. When they open space in a school for muslim prayer, ask when they’re going to have a Jewish rabbi in. When called a racist, explain that you are fighting jihad or is it also racist to fight nazism?
Edward says
“Islam is the only religion that cannot be criticized” – Daniel Greenfield
But nothing can keep us from praying……..for our defense and for God’s will to change the mind of the inherent of that religion! Armor of God, Ephesians 6:10-18
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Edward,
So, you figure you can change god’s mind?
What, he was gonna let the global caliphate win, but since you and some other folks asked him real nice, he will change his mind and crush those filthy sinners and send ’em all to hell where they can rot for eternity?
I could never quite figure out how an omnipotent, omniscient being can change his mind at your request…
Edward says
Stardusty Psyche, It’s HIS WILL that can change the maligned minds of his creations.
You, I and the rest of the human beings, that God has created are not Omnipotent, Omniscient, but HE, Whose Divinity attributes can Will to change minds by HIS WORD; the minds of those He has created.
Its His Will! Never ours!
To Will: the faculty of conscious and especially of deliberate action; the power of control the mind has over its own actions:
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Edward,
” It’s HIS WILL that can change the maligned minds of his creations.”
So, the minds of his creations are maligned.
He is omnipotent, so he could have created us without maligned minds.
Yet, he chose to create us with maligned minds.
So, quite apparently, god wants us to have maligned minds.
But wait, now his will is to change the maligned minds he created.
God is perfect, so he creates maligned minds and then changes them by his will?
Does any of this seem to you to be a mass of maligned nonsense?
somehistory says
See…your *record* continues. You only come to this site and these threads to try to sow trouble. You are not really interested in what is being done to counter jihad or advance of islam or to enlighten or counter those who are enabling it.
As a matter or fact, your personal address to each one reminds of a certain *rezali* and his/her taunts to each one, mo matter what that one says…just as you do.
You are not really interested in what God has done or will do. Not in how He created men in His image, to show love, justice and wisdom, but how mankind fell short of that and needs to make their human minds over. You aren’t really interested in what God says about prayer or how a Christian views that privilege. You are just taunting and mocking another person’s belief that you don’t share.
So, your *record* stands intact.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi somehistory,
“Not in how He created men in His image, to show love, justice and wisdom, but how mankind fell short of that and needs to make their human minds over.”
So he created us with a goal in mind, but we didn’t live up to that goal, so now he has to do a repair job on us?
Sounds more like an incompetent creator than an omnipotent and omniscient being.
Gosh, I am really sorry if calling irrational statements irrational “sows trouble” but I do have one possible answer for you:
Start making more sense.
Jay Boo says
@Stardust Psycho
You seem to be avoiding the obvious.
Islam is a pig bath founded on the unmitigated disgrace of Muhammad.
It is only natural that Muslims would expect to be above scrutiny.
Islam is not even a religion truly.
Islam is merely an excuse that Muhammad used to justify:
Sex slaves
child brides
abuse of corpses
torture
lying
filth
Mirren10 says
May I suggest to everyone here we simply ignore ‘stardusty psyche’ ?
As somehistory points out, this pretentious little twat isn’t here to learn anything, or to discuss ways of countering jihad, or to discuss/debate intelligently. He’s only here to stroke his own ego, and sneer at his betters.
He reminds me very much of some Sixth Formers I used to teach; an adolescent mentality convinced it knows everything, and everyone else is a fool.
Of course, everyone must do as they think best, but in my opinion, engaging with him/her is a waste of our time. If we don’t feed it, it’ll get bored and go and bore the pants off people on some other blog. 🙂
somehistory says
Mirren10
I had come to that conclusion/decision as I posted the last comment to sdq.
I hope you and yours are having a grand afternoon. ;}
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Mirren10,
“discuss/debate intelligently.”
That would be nice but most of the posters here are too busy calling me adolescent names. I mean, the cursing and rearrangements of my handle are good for a chuckle but have nothing to do with intelligent debate.
RonaldB is about the only person here who has offered much in the way of intelligent debate (above). Linde seems like a nice lady too.
What you don’t seem to realize is that having half baked nonsense identified as such is an important step in countering Islam. We aren’t going to get anywhere with the public at large in exposing the truth about Islam using a lot of the off the wall arguments and language so common to the typical JW poster.
Since several people have questioned my motives I will summarize.
1. Raise the level of anti-Islam discourse. Half the people posting here sound like crackpots and are only a detriment to having our very critical message taken seriously.
2. Test my own ideas. For me personally, I very much agree that the unexamined life is not worth living, and I would add that the untested opinion is not worth holding.
3. I just like to hear myself talk 🙂
William Lucas Harvey Jr. says
“How Islam in America Became a Privileged Religion”.
“By equating religion with race, Islam is treated not as a particular set of beliefs expressed in behaviors both good and bad, but as an innate trait that like race cannot be criticized without attacking the existence of an entire people”.
First, as is even ADMITTED by Islam’s Spokes People, such as CAIR Spokesperson Ibrahim Hooper, “Islam IS NOT NOT a Race”, Islam IS an IDEOLOGY.
Second, Islam is NOT a “Religion”, Islam IS a total system of life and contains within itself a particular social system, judicial system, and political system which includes geo-political aspirations – the conquest and administration of territory.
Third, Even IF Islam “Falsely” Refers to Islam as a “Religion”, Islam does NOT Represent “Peace” (as in Islam’s “The Religion of Peace” MYTH), as is even Stated By Islamic Leaders such as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and other Islamic Leaders, “ISIS Leader: Islam Is A Religion Of War, Not A Religion Of Peace”.
DM says
Put very succinctly; “islam, is a CRIMINALLY SAVAGE POLITICAL AGENDA masquerading as a religion.” DMH 04/2014
William says
It is a good observation and it is a good argument the author makes that the Mohammedans shift between the three identities of religion, race, and culture. As the article shows, they use it to maximum effect. The effect and the goal are to shield Mohammedanism from any form of criticism. We can also see it in some of the practices most commonly observed among the Mohammedans, such as FGM, stoning, rape, and so on. When we confront them about these acts as being religiously sanctioned, the Mohammedans quickly deflect and protect their religion by emphasizing that those acts are in fact cultural, and has nothing to do with Islam. By George, they are masters of deception and deflection. They have studied and developed their craft very well indeed.
Kepha says
“Religions in America traded theocracy for religious freedom. They gave up being able to impose their practices on others in exchange for being able to freely practice their own religions.”
Let me respectfully dissent.
Islam is not a theocracy. It is a mullahocracy or something like that. As someone who reads Greek, if badly, I can assure you that “theocracy” literally means “rule of God”, and it was a term invented in the 70’s A.D. by Flavius Josephus to describe who the form of government of the Jewish commonwealth remained consistent through its millennia of going from tribal patriarchy to the charismatic leadership of Moses to confederated tribal republic to monarchy to satrapy of foreign powers, etc.
As for American Christians’ trading the ability to impose their denominations on other for the right of free exercise, I can only note that the price paid was to allow weasely people with neither the fear of God nor respect for those from outside their own circles to march through all of our public institutions in very Gramscian fashion and rot them from the inside. These same weasely people, who were such bold lions against a religion that teaches forbearance and forgiveness (and was more than ready to practice such things on its own erring children) are now proving themselves cowards where Islam is concerned.
Lloyd Miller says
“Rule of God” is often interpreted by men (or women), an elite of Mullahs, Priests, etc. and then imposed by a State composed of that human Elite. Therefore, “theocracy” is, often defined as a State Religion.
For “Rule of God” to prevail without such a human elite, God, if he exists, would have to communicate to men much less ambiguously.
No Fear says
My supremacist religion involves ritual human sacrifice multiple times a year. Respect it !
If you do not respect it, then you are a racist !
(sarc)
Lloyd Miller says
When does otherwise brilliant Mr. Greenfield connect the inability of the West to deal with Islam rationally to the Western Elites financially and geopolitically intertwined with Islamic rulers? This simple-minded confusion aptly described by Greenfield is PURPOSEFUL ass-kissing of Muslim money bags and power structures.
S R Wakankar says
We have to make a difference between Islam and Arab Islam which is a brand of it. True authentic Islam tradition is the Hindu Indian tradition of great antiquity the origin of which is non known. It is called in Hindu India as the “Dharma”. This non-Arab ancient tradition of religion is the “real” Islam.
Arab Islam is “for the Arab, by the Arab,of the Arab”. Its frame or canvas is the desert of Arabia only. We have to see it in its proper frame only. Outside it, it is entirely a different scene.
The non-Arab/non-Mohammedan/non-Koranic ancient Vedic Hindu Tradition of India is the true authentic Islam. As this Hindu Indian setting is not Arabic, Islam word is not there but Dharma is of course there which means the same thing as in Arabia Islam is meant.
Jaladhi says
Ha, ha… you are so FOS!! You are Muslim trying to bring Hindu religion and Dharma into Islam which is a killer /murderous, criminal religion and trying to give Islam some respect. No way, nobody is buying your delusional rant. It will be better for you to leave this murderous mafia gang and become a Hindu if you think Islam is Vedic/Hindu !! But you won’t be able to d it because you know your fellow Muslims will kill you for leaving Islam! So you are trapped in this one way street jail that you call Islam!
Learn the truth about Islam and leave it!!
Jaladhi says
Hmm.. where have I read this BS before?? Wasn’t it on Daniel Pipes a few months back?
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/219734
And here was my reply:
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/219777
What the heck …?
Reader comment on item: An Arab Prince Denounces Islamism
in response to reader comment: War on Terror
Submitted by Jaladhi (United States), Dec 15, 2014 at 14:36
…
This criminal cult could not be far away from Vedic Dharma. .Islam is purely a Arabic cult with no input or any tradition from ancient India and you are a victim of their imperialism!!
The sheer nonsense of distinguishing Indian Islam from Arab Islam is mind boggling and is one of the reason why Arab Muslims treat you so shabbily in Middle East. They would rather treat you as slaves in islamic tradition than as equal.
>You say :”Real authentic Islam is the great ancient tradition of non-Arab islam of non-Arab Asia (ie Hindu India which is the SOUL of non-Arab Asia). ——>:Nonsense,there is no tradition of Islam let alone Vedic Islam in India – there is nothing Vedic in Islam …
>You say: This non-Arab Islam is Vedic and in Sanskrit.—-> Please do not defile Vedas and Sanskrit by associating them with Islam. Again these are as far away from Islam as possible.We all know what Islam is and it manifests itself everyday throughout the world in the forms mentioned above!!
>You say: Non-Arab Asia’s great tradition of non-Arab Islam is neither supremacist nor totalitarian. It is not terroristic also. It is extremely liberal, peaceful and democratic. It never hurts anybody. It is also not anti-West et al. It exists with perfect harmony with the West and its values. ——-> Yeah, yeah, yeah, We see examples of this everyday. That is why the followers of your Indian Islam have terrorist attacks in India every few months. Islam is a killing machine with bodies strewn around all over India and done by followers of AfPak Islam.
>You say: The AfPak is the birth-place of this great ancient tradition of Islam (i.e., Dharma or “.the eternal religion”. We have to research and re-discover this lost great tradition which still flows underground.—–> … !Islam is not eternal, nor is it a religion. …
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Jaladhi,
Maybe S R Wakankar is offering some kind of flip side Indian/Hindu version of the Islamic claim that Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all the biblical prophets were actually practicing Islam, but their teachings got corrupted so Allah sent Gabriel to Muhammad to get the story straightened out again.
Indian Islam? Seems like a particularly strange claim.
Mirren10 says
SR Wakankar says;
”The non-Arab/non-Mohammedan/non-Koranic ancient Vedic Hindu Tradition of India is the true authentic Islam. As this Hindu Indian setting is not Arabic, Islam word is not there but Dharma is of course there which means the same thing as in Arabia Islam is meant.”
Well, really, what utter rubbish !
First of all, islam means **submission**. To ‘allah’, and mohammed, to the sharia. One of the most bloody, vicious, and malignant systems of law ever devised by man.
Dharma, whilst difficult to translate in all its richness, means nothing of the sort. It is akin to the Tao, natural law, and the Golden Rule.
There is *nothing* of the Tao, natural law, or the Golden Rule, in islam. In fact, every culture and religion under the sun contains elements of that trinity, **except** islam.
”The meaning of word “dharma” depends on the context, and its meaning evolved as ideas of Hinduism developed over its long history. In earliest texts and ancient myths of Hinduism, dharma meant cosmic law, the rules that created the universe from chaos, as well as rituals; In later Vedas, Upanishads, Puranas and the Epics, the meaning became refined, richer, complex and the word dharma was applied to diverse contexts.[12] In certain contexts, dharma designates human behaviours considered necessary for order of things in the universe, principles that prevent chaos, behaviours and action necessary to all life in nature, society, family as well as at the individual level.[10][12][24][note 1] Dharma encompasses ideas such as duty, rights, character, vocation, religion, customs and all behaviour considered appropriate, correct or morally upright.[25]”
There is *nothing* in islam which could be considered by any rational, moral person, as ”appropriate, correct or morally upright”.
Unless, of course, you consider chopping off the hands of thieves, stoning for adultery, slicing off the clitorises of little girls, etc, etc, to be morally upright. Not to mention the mysogyny inherent in islam, the worship of strength and violence, the supremacy, and the dictum that enjoins muslims to be good to other muslims, and harsh to the infidels.
”The antonym of dharma is adharma (Sanskrit: अधर्मा),[26] meaning that which is “not dharma”. As with dharma, the word adharma includes and implies many ideas; in common parlance, adharma means that which is against nature, immoral, unethical, wrong or unlawful.[27]”
Yep. islam is the personification of adharma.
Jaladhi says about you, and I think he is correct, ”Ha, ha… you are so FOS!! You are Muslim trying to bring Hindu religion and Dharma into Islam which is a killer /murderous, criminal religion and trying to give Islam some respect.”
If you are an Indian, S R Wakankar, you should reflect on the fact that the foul cult of islam would have no place in your country, if not for the ravening hordes of mohammedans who invaded, and murdered millions of your ancestors. What does the Hindu Kush mean, eh ?
Jaladhi is right. Stop trying to whitewash this pernicious and evil religion, tying yourself into pretzels in the effort to make yourself believe it means something good. It doesn’t.
Go back to your Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh or Jainist roots, or study Christianity, or just jettison islam for atheism or agnosticism. Dump it.
Bangu says
The left is the real problem because the left wing movements give power to Jihadists. Islam is becoming privilege religion in America maybe because America is having slowly and slowly more left wing movements like Europe. Sorry saying this but If you start having so many leftist there your country can become like the UK bit like mini Saudi Arabia.
Caveman says
The Left is granting privileges to islam that it would never allow any other couse, religion, policy, world view or thought proces. Replace islam with any other religion or world view and it will be shredded to piece by a most hysterical mob.
Gufo says
A truly amazing article, describing how islam is being imposed on people using their own weaknesses and the flaws in their beliefs, especially ignorance and willingness to pursue their narrative at all costs.
Jack Holan says
I am quite impressed the wide range of knowledge and opinions expressed on this topic. Earlier, I posted that one of the strongest weapons we have to defeat not just IS but the tenants of Islam that will defeat us if we don’t start to get the message out to our fellow Americans who are ignorant of what they face; is education. Immediately I heard reasons why we would need to go back to turn of the 19th Century methods. My idea is much more simple yet robust. Say, that we use social media. The message starts out with real laws and punishments today. One theme can be women another Gays, another Freedom of Religion and so forth. We save the countries name for last. We call out Do you know for this….the punishment is……and after 10-15 Do you know your President bowed to the leader of S.Arabia, trusts Iran. All of the above take place today in these countries and our leaders act as if its business as usual and trusts one that they aren’t building a Nuke. By the way he meets secretly with the Muslim Brotherhood who want to change America to Sharia Law, this type of Law. Are you going continue to let him get away with it. List the WH number. Send to 20 close friends and ask them to send to 20 close friends and keep the momentum going.
DM says
Check out the web site Refugee Resettlement Watch. This is one of the current articles.
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/06/07/invasion-of-europe-uk-says-500000-migrants-waiting-to-make-mediterranean-crossing-into-europe/
Jerome says
It is ironic how democracy is jealously digging its own grave in its eagerness to accommodate radical Islam in all its guises. This insidious enemy of the west is smart and its winning, not by the invasion of armies into western territory , which it knows it cannot achieve, but by invading the minds and hearts of academics, leftwing irredentists and the media which seems to be suffering some sort of mass delusion. That POTUS is on their side smooths the transition to Sharia law being imposed eventually. I give the USA 50 years and there will be chaos similar to what is going on in Europe now.
voegelinian says
Greenfield rightly points out the zones of race and religion as allowing ample fodder for Islamopologists to exploit in their defense of Islam (and, let us not forget, of Muslims) from all substantive criticism (let alone the condemnation it, and they (Muslims) so richly deserve).
However, it seems Greenfield is not recognizing the essential nexus between race and religion in the rhetorical strategy of the Islamopologists — and in its reception by our PC MC-compromised West. I.e., the exploitation of the religion meme would not work — at least not anywhere near enjoying the success Muslims have enjoyed in this regard — without joining it at the hip to the race meme (aka, “the race card”).
That leads me to the second seeming lacuna in Greenfield’s analysis: the receiving end of our PC MC West, which is a dominant and mainstream reception, literally with open arms, of Muslims and their Islam. I.e., all the tactics deployed as craftily and cleverly as can be from the Islamopologists would not work, would not gain any traction, were there not such an overwhelmingly receptive society as the West has become under its currently fashionable politically correct multi-culturalist Weltanschauung.
Thirdly, this most crucial factor in the Islamopologist arsenal, the race card — which, again, would not be effective were the West not predisposed to embrace it, stroke it, water it lovingly like luxuriant houseplants and provide it copiously nutritional soil to grow — is not sheer fantasy with no factual basis. The Counter-Jihad seems to convey through its rhetoric in response the odd notion that implies that Muslims are all race-neutral and color-neutral, and that ethnicity is utterly irrelevant to their cultural and historical makeup. This is patently erroneous. Just go to Google Images and type in “Islam” or “Muslims” (or, more creatively, “Mohammed cartoons” or “Salman Rushdie fatwa” or “Muslim riots” etc. etc. ad Islamonauseam), and the vast majority of Muslims that come up are non-white. Of course, there exist white Muslims — both in the form of the sociopathic white Westerners who have converted in recent decades, as well as historically certain people who ethnically are arguably white (certain southeastern Europeans, Slavs, Albanians, some Turkic peoples, and some central Asiatics) — all a result of whites in history converting to Islam in the only two ways all Muslims have ever converted throughout history from the 7th century forward: 1) joining Islam because it was attractive to their already extant psychopathic disease; 2) converting out of the horrendous duress imposed upon them by the vile, pernicious cruelty of Islamic rule and/or violent threats. Most from #2, and all from #1, historically came to become True Believers who, in their thoroughgoing Stockholm Syndrome brainwashing, joined the Borg of the Islamic Umma against the rest of Mankind.
Which brings us to the main reason why Islam is overwhelming an ethnic (which, if you are not a brain-dead PC MC or an anxious asymptotic, = white) super-culture, whose demographics are overwhelming a Third Worldwide tapestry, mosaic, stir-fry, quilt, smelting pot of non-white peoples: because
1) historically, Islam’s supremacist imperialism expanded mostly through areas which in modern times have become collectively known as “Third World”; and
2) for most of its historical career — for 1,300 years from the 7th century forward — Islam and its Muslims were wisely deemed a hostile alien foreign culture and were kept out of the (white) West by and large (with tiny exceptions that prove the rule) — a wisdom which the West has disastrously been reversing since the mid-20th century, and only exponentially increasing this disastrous error with each passing decade, irrationally and perversely accelerating it after 911 and with every Muslim atrocity that comes on the world’s radar since then.
So, when the PC MC anxiously wrings its hands at criticism of Islam, and connects it to race, and from there connects it to a bigotry against Brown People, they are not pulling this out of thin air. When the PC MCs look out at Islam (which means at Muslims), they see a sea of “Brown People” — and this in turn immediately triggers semi-consciously all their hot buttons of White Guilt that have in the meantime culturally become fused with a protection of Islam and Muslijms. When Counter-Jihad spokesmen then, at that point, to suddenly insist that this has nothing to do with race, this causes an immediate disconnect in the communication between the two camps — the PC MC mainstream and the Counter-Jihad — every time that a representaive of each camp talks to the other about this issue. In this regard, each side, every time a discussion on Islam takes place, is persisting in indulging an erroneous point:
The PC MC representative insists on protecting Muslims because they are Brown People and because the West is White and thus (in the PC MC mind) ever ready to inflict bigotry, racism, and hatred upon Muslims, which will lead to lynch mobs, backlash, rounding up Muslims and putting them in camps, then trying to extreminate them.
Meanwhile, the Counter-Jihad representative keeps insisting on a See-No-Race position, when what he should be doing is go on the offensive to refute and deconstruct the PC MC error of erecting a defense of an indefensible culture mainly on the basis of race. Every time the Counter-Jihad insists that “Islam is not a race” they are putting off a discussion and a refutation of a meme that is not going to go away by merely pretending it doesn’t exist.
voegelinian says
important correction —
“Which brings us to the main reason why Islam is overwhelming an ethnic (which, if you are not a brain-dead PC MC or an anxious asymptotic, = white)”
should be, of course —
“Which brings us to the main reason why Islam is overwhelming an ethnic (which, if you are not a brain-dead PC MC or an anxious asymptotic, = non-white)”
Uncle Vladdi says
Actually, Arabs have been classified by geneticists AS CAUCASIANS.
Muhammad was described as a “VERY WHITE MAN” and of course the muslim heaven only gives out pure white Houris (no swarthy women) as rewards!
Gotta keep the WHITE ARABS RACIALLY PURE in their version of heaven LOL!
😉
Jalwan Al Ahwani says
Caucasians? what the hell is that? Australian? German? American?
voegelinian says
Well, the PC MC paradigm isn’t operating primarily on the level of facts, much less biological facts. Whether Arabs are really genetically “white” is irrelevant to the factoid indulged by PC MCs that Arabs look like Brown People.
Uncle Vladdi says
ALL criminals (“liberals,” “muslims”) want rights without responsibilities, while insisting that only their enemies have responsibilities (to them) and no rights – so this approach is all we can expect from them.
Johnny Depp, as the “Libertine” Earl of Rochester, quips in the movie of the same name: “I have only two kinds of enemies who hate me – the idiots and the envious. Given a few years, the idiots will come to love me, while the envious never will. Therefore I ignore them both.”
Liberals are the treasonous criminal enemies of rationality and civilization – as such, they expose their predictable innate masochism to us on a daily basis, always pretending to “control” their fears, BY causing those very same worst-case scenario problems (like antagonizing innocent other people) which cause the pains they fear the most. Whenever they say “WE” should ‘Submit ‘ to islam and/or any other big bad scary threat, they really mean YOU should Submit to it, while they run out the back door:
“All minorities were decimated into that status by oppressive majorities! Always!”
“We have to let the violent criminals do what they want to us, or else they’ll do what they want to us anyway!”
“We must all learn to Submit to extortion and learn to become better victims, thus maintaining the imaginary moral high ground!”
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Uncle Vladdi ,
“ALL criminals (“liberals,” “muslims”) ”
So all liberals and all Muslims are criminals? Hyperbole much? Or is it just plain crackpot inanity?
“Liberals are the treasonous criminal enemies of rationality and civilization”
Ok, I am now leaning toward crackpot inanity…
““We must all learn to Submit to extortion and learn to become better victims”
It is not generally as sinister as all that. Most liberals simply are not aware of the true teachings of the Medinan texts, and have kind of feelgood whitewash wishful thinking approach when they hear the endless lovely sounding quotes from the Meccan texts asserted to be the true Islam.
To understand what educated liberalism is tune in to Sam Harris and Bill Maher, and in my own little way, me.
Wellington says
“……and in my own little way, me.”
Very little. Exceedingly so, you second-rate Sophist and first-rate egotist. Begone. Really, I don’t think you have any idea how tedious you are though I think you think yourself very clever.
You have come to JW to make trouble, not to convey truth. Never mind denying this. In fact, never mind anything. Just go away.
You really are an ass. This will be my last communication to you. MIrren 10 in her 12:51 P.M. post is correct, to wit, you should be ignored, if for no other reason than that a twit like you pathetically feeds upon attention. Well, no more from me. So long, deficient one.
Oppressaphobe says
What I like about Stardusty Psycho is the TEMPORING EFFECT he has on a discussion that really is about life and death for our children and beyond. That kind of tempering effect is the same as POLITICAL CORRECTNESS in that it dilutes the reality and allows evil to go unchecked. In fact, Psycho is exactly why I can’t be working in my garden right now but have to try to save the entire world from the grips of this evil.
Psycho seems to think somebody had put him/her in the judge’s chair, over your and my thoughts-me thinks me smells a liberal hiding there somewhere. I’d know that self-righteousness anywhere.
I could give a crap about Psycho. He’s the kind of fool that drops the ball because the play didn’t go his way.
As for me, I will speak the truth and I think by now everybody with a brain has figured out what the Muslim population, as a whole, has wrought on our Christian nation. We
are playing an elaborate game of the Emporer’s New Clothes, where NOBODY WILL OPEN THEIR DUMB MOUTHS AND SAY WHAT’S TRUE.
I couldn’t be any clearer than to say that I have sat back and watched this whole thing play out and my opinion is that it is obvious that the Muslim’s have DELIBERATELY, CALCULATINGLY, DECEPTIVELY, UNFAIRLY AND IMMORALLY UNDERMINED THIS COUNTRY IN EVERY WAY THAT THEY COULD.
They move here and many collect welfare and have big families in order to DRAIN OUR ECONOMY. That is part of the plan.
They stir up division in the mosques by claiming to be helping the blacks and the underdog. Look how they go into the prison and take advantage of prisoners, saying that they will take care of them upon release, if they join them and do evil deeds, like ISLAMOBERG, right in New York, X’s 100 more elsewhere. They do military training right under our noses, and I’d bet they get tax exemptions to boot!
They insist on THEIR culture in our workplaces and sharia law in OUR jurisdictions!!
They do honor killings in our country and they’ve TRAINED US NOT TO TALK ABOUT THAT! SHAME ON US!!!
They have an ELABORATE system of networks that work on their behalf, i.e. Cair.
Have you ever had a Muslim just have a natural conversation with you, like you would have with a Mexican, or a Russian or a Chinese, at a mall or a bus stop, cause I haven’t. They think they are better than you and they don’t interact with Americans the way other groups do. There is a reason for that and we saw that reason when the woman would not take a diet coke from an infidel on the plane.
How much more do you need to know? Americans just need to believe their own eyes.
This is ALL PART OF AN ELABORATE PLAN TO DRAIN THIS NATION AND THEN TAKE IT OVER, so that they can have all the natural gas and other resources of this nation. They say this is RELIGION, and at the lowest level the peons do think it is about religion. But the real leaders of this movement want to simply annex your country to their worldwide caliphate. This is about money and power at its core, AND NOTHING ELSE. BARE NAKED GREED IN THE NAME OF A FALSE GOD AND A WHOREMONGER!
As far as Psycho, he is being paid to look like a sympathizer of JW, while really trying to TAKE OUT the best posters that are having an influence on the blog. Those are the posters he needs to DEGRADE. My favorite word that Barach Obama has taught us recently. We are going to DEGRADE ISIS- the only problem is that Barach Hussein Obama has only one intention—which is to DEGRADE AMERICA. I thought it so ironic that he used that word for ISIS. He could have taken out the whole victory parade and chose not to. ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT’S IN FRONT OF OUR FACE? Or are we going to keep saying what nice clothes the Emporer is wearing today!!! Wake up America or it will be too late.
Does anybody wonder why Western Civilization, base on Christianity is falling and Islam is rising?
May I suggest to you that pornography, ungodliness, filth, superficiality, arrogance, laziness, infidelity, lack of honesty, too much technology, not enough spirituality, ignorance…perhaps these things have not been productive for humankind, which had risen to its ascendency before the casting aside of Christian virtues.
Now Psycho obviously does not believe in Satan. I didn’t either before Barach Hussein Obama.
Psycho wants a lot of facts and figures but we’ve already heard the facts and figures and that doesn’t seem to move the needle so my job is to make a passionate cry for the lives and liberty of my children and their children, as well as Christians that are being beheaded, raped, crucified, burned alive, as we speak.
I did not hear you talk about that Psycho!
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Oppressaphobe,
“As far as Psycho, he is being paid to look like a sympathizer of JW”
You are the second person to tell me my check is in the mail. Damn, I hope it gets here soon!
“Barach Hussein Obama has only one intention—which is to DEGRADE AMERICA.”
IS disagrees with you
“As the crusaders continue to reveal
their intense hatred and animosity
towards Islam through their relentless
bombing and drone campaigns on the
Islamic State,”
Dabiq, issue 9, pp3
http://media.clarionproject.org/files/islamic-state/isis-isil-islamic-state-magazine-issue%2B9-they-plot-and-allah-plots-sex-slavery.pdf
“The crusader Obama and his tāghūt ally
Salmān Ibn ‘Abdil-’Azīz”
Dabiq, issue 9, pp53
“The tāghūt of Qatar, third from right, stands shoulder-to-shoulder
with the crusader Obama and a host of other apostates”
Dabiq, issue 9, pp54
“Obama leading
a failed crusade”
Dabiq, issue 9, pp77
So, according to IS Obama is the leader of the Crusade using
“relentless
bombing and drone campaigns on the
Islamic State,” that
“reveal
their intense hatred and animosity
towards Islam”
Obama hates Islam, according to IS.
IS failed to mention the thousands of ground troops we have in Iraq right now and the massive stockpile of equipment we have ready in Kuwait…
“I did not hear you talk about that Psycho!”
I love what you have done with my moniker, witty indeed 🙂
That’s cause you just have not been tuned in to me long enough…that’s OK, you were probably gardening, so here is one of my summaries of what Islam is:
“Islam is a fascist, misogynistic, homophobic, homicidal, suicidal, genocidal, enslaving, and barbaric doctrine.” (you can find that in my comments about half way up)
Ok, you have done your part to “save the entire world from the grips of this evil” so you can go back to your gardening now…I suggest you listen to Sam Harris, Bill Maher, and Richard Dawkins as you garden. You will learn a lot about Islam, religion in general, liberalism, and science…it will help you stop cracking so many pots in your garden 🙂
Oppressaphobe says
Blah, blah, blah…boring…didn’t read your post. Your problem is with the author of the article, who we are all agreeing with. Don’t know or care what you have to say because you are an ISIS apologist–talk to the 100,000+ Christians harmed by the religion of piece. Barach Hu-is-satan Obama has not given one speech about this world crisis, where one group is attempting to annihilate or dominate all of the West–worse than Hitler if it’s possible.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Oppressaphobe
If you didn’t read my post how do you know what I am at all?
Methinks the lady doth protest too much…
Wellington says
Agreed, Oppressaphobe. With Star Boy it’s a lot of “blah, blah, blah….boring.”
Jay Boo says
From the very first post Stardusty Psyche covertly proselytizes Islamic dogma as if questioning it and criticizes the West indirectly while playing innocent.
Stardust Psycho also attempted to twist the words of Edward into the opposite of what Edward said with “So, you figure you can change god’s mind?” in order to segue into the standard last ditch grasp at a tu quoque defense that apologists for Islam use when they cannot BS their way out of an Islamic jam by resorting to how all religions are equally flawed and are false rather than risk directly criticizing Islam for its unique evil.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Jay Boo,
Oh yes, please do tell me the definition of the tu quoque fallacy, and cite the words I used that indicate my asserted commitment of said fallacy.
Jay Boo says
Yes Stardusty used harmless generalities with:
“Islam is a fascist, misogynistic, homophobic, homicidal, suicidal, genocidal, enslaving, and barbaric doctrine. ”
But that is merely a cover for stuff like:
“Maybe S R Wakankar is offering some kind of flip side Indian/Hindu version of the Islamic claim that Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all the biblical prophets were actually practicing Islam, but their teachings got corrupted so Allah sent Gabriel to Muhammad to get the story straightened out again.”
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Jay Boo,
Do half the folks here like you have a BA in Crackpot Studies?
” the Islamic claim that Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all the biblical prophets were actually practicing Islam, but their teachings got corrupted so Allah sent Gabriel to Muhammad to get the story straightened out again.”
is a derisively summarized version of Islamic doctrine 101. Get a clue about who you are ranting against for Christ’s sake…
Jay Boo says
So you don’t deny twisting Edward’s words then to lead up to said fallacy.
But you are correct at not committing tu quoque fallacy overtly for you are too clever for that.
But you freely taunt a Christian about an ” incompetent creator ”
What have you to say about Allah and Muhammad?
No false equivalence
Please don’t quote what Muslims “falsely” claim and then proselytize Islamic belief covertly.
Tell me in your own words about the unique filth of Muhammad’s disgraceful existence.
Jay Boo says
@Stardusty Psyche
Tell me in your own words about the unique filth of Muhammad’s disgraceful existence.
Stardusty Psyche says
You just quoted my words that do exactly that…are you stoned or something?!?!?
Jay Boo says
Aha
This is just too easy
You did exactly what I assumed you would do you reposted the “Islamic claim ” and claim that you were merely being derisive.
Why would you derisively say “for Christ’s sake…” and call Christ a mere prophet yet you avoid criticizing the horrendously filthy abomination of Muhammad and his sock puppet Allah?
Tell me in your own words about the unique filth of Muhammad’s disgraceful existence.
Jay Boo says
Covertly proselyting that
“the Islamic claim that Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all the biblical prophets were actually practicing Islam, but their teachings got corrupted so Allah sent Gabriel to Muhammad to get the story straightened out again.”
is a derisively summarized version of Islamic doctrine 101″Allah sent Gabriel to Muhammad ”
is NOT a derisively summarized version of Islamic doctrine 101
Now please tell me in your own words about the unique filth of Muhammad’s disgraceful existence.
Angemon says
Stardusty Psyche posted:
“IS disagrees with you
(…)
Obama hates Islam, according to IS.”
So? Does IS know what Obama hates or not better than Obama?
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Angemon,
” Does IS know what Obama hates or not better than Obama?”
That was not my claim.
I think IS knows more about what Obama hates than you do.
Obama says “We Will Degrade and Ultimately Destroy…” which together with the “relentless
bombing and drone campaigns on the Islamic State,” and Obama’s close association with the many apostate rulers lined up against and attacking IS leads IS to their conclusion.the Obama hates Islam.
Angemon says
Stardusty Psyche posted:
“I think IS knows more about what Obama hates than you do.”
You know that appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, right?
“Obama says “We Will Degrade and Ultimately Destroy…””
The full quote would be “We Will Degrade and Ultimately Destroy ISIL”, a group that, according to Obama, is not islamic at all. Lying by ommission is still lying, SP. And if you need to lie to make your point, there’s a name for that. It’s called “being wrong”.
“which together with the “relentless
bombing and drone campaigns on the Islamic State,” ”
75% of which end up returning without firing a shot.
“and Obama’s close association with the many apostate rulers lined up against and attacking IS”
Oh really? Which rulers would those be?
“leads IS to their conclusion.the Obama hates Islam”
Actually, that was your conclusion, not their. In any case, the question here is not what IS thinks Obama hates, so you’d be wrong regardless of that.
Obama is on record saying that the world must not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam and asking Nasa to focus on muslim outreach. No, if there’s any conclusion to be made is that Obama is partial to islam.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Angemon,
“I think IS knows more about what Obama hates than you do.”
You know that appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, right?
Indeed, if I cited IS only as an authority. But IS presents a great deal of evidence that Obama hates Islam. As cited above
http://media.clarionproject.org/files/islamic-state/isis-isil-islamic-state-magazine-issue%2B9-they-plot-and-allah-plots-sex-slavery.pdf
“We Will Degrade and Ultimately Destroy…””
“We Will Degrade and Ultimately Destroy ISIL”
What’s the difference? How is that a lie of omission? Obviously Obama means IS, ISIS, ISIL Daesh, or whatever you want to call them.
But you are correct about one thing, Obama is telling a huge Lie that IS is not Islamic. That is kind of like a Tony Montana lie, it is such an obvious lie that no reasonable person could possibly fail to recognize it as a lie the moment it is spoken.
“and Obama’s close association with the many apostate rulers lined up against and attacking IS”
Oh really? Which rulers would those be?
Read Dabiq. Every king in the Arab league. Obama has accomplished a brilliant work of diplomacy in getting them all to support or directly engage in the attack of IS.
Robert Spencer: “What I say about Islam is neither hatred nor slander; it is true”.
http://www.inquisitr.com/1018323/islam-jihad-and-democracy-the-inquisitr-interviews-robert-spencer/
Robert Spencer agrees with Obama just like I do, we should never slander Islam.
Angemon says
Stardusty Psyche posted:
“Indeed, if I cited IS only as an authority.”
Which you do.
“ But IS presents a great deal of evidence that Obama hates Islam”
Once again, you’re only citing IS. Ergo, even going by your own logic, you’re committing the fallacy of appeal to authority.
““We Will Degrade and Ultimately Destroy…””
“We Will Degrade and Ultimately Destroy ISIL”
What’s the difference? How is that a lie of omission?”
Put your thinking cap on – you’ll get there.
“Read Dabiq. Every king in the Arab league.”
Obama threw secular rulers under the “Arab Spring” bus. He did so to Gadaffi, Mubarak and tried to so to Assad. He supported Morsi, the muslim brotherhood candidate in Egypt, and backed off al-Sisi. He also kept strangely quite in 2011, when Iranians tried to oust the mullahs. And none of the rulers currently in league with the US are apostates. All consider themselves to be muslims (or at least present themselves as muslims).
Again: who are these ” many apostate rulers” you speak of? Name them.
As I said, if there’s any conclusion to have regarding Obama and islam is that Obama is partial to islam. Obama’s on record saying that the world must not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam. The Obama administration asked Nasa to focus on muslim outreach. Not only that, Obama threw secular dictators under the bus (figuratively, not literally) in the so-called “Arab Springs” while closing his eyes to the attempt to overthrow the mullahs in Iran, and he nominated several muslim-brotherhood-linked muslims to high security positions.
Oppressaphobe says
For a little Ca*fart*ic release can I suggest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWF8iRCan7I
and substitute dur ISIS (or Islam or the Big M or the Big A) for Hitler.
Why could they write a song like this then, but we can’t even express an opinion today?
At any rate it is GREAT WESTERN ENTERTAINMENT.
Edward says
Stardusty Psyche says June 6, 2015 at 8:59 pm
Hi Edward,
” It’s HIS WILL that can change the maligned minds of his creations. So, the minds of his creations are maligned.”
Hey Stardusty Psyche, it seems that the brain implant that the Liberal crowd has ordered for you seems to be invaded by a virus. Evidence proves that a gobbledygook worm has infected your cognizant capabilities. It’s the same virus infections that all Liberals and Jihad’s share. The symptoms are: they totally affirm that “Bad is GOOD and good is Bad.”
So, I can’t bear it any further; seeing you suffer from this convoluted Free Will mindset malaise, so I’m going to push this delete [RESET] button to end your shenanigans. Zap *%@#!
OMG, he forgot to read the definition of Free Will before he left us….oh well that’s the price he had to pay…..of course there is no excuse for his ignorance.
Free Will’s definition: God, our creator, gives us the ability to choose, think, and act voluntarily. You can choose to be a good or an evil person. When you were born you had a saintly disposition as all of us upon our conception. After our birth and as we grew, we are exposed to a secular environment that alters our propensities.
Propensities to do maligned evil or do good righteous deeds. Have you done your good deed today Stardusty Psyche? If not please get lost, huh!
gobbledygook definition: language characterized by circumlocution and jargon, usually hard to understand. – dictionary.com
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Edward,
Thanks for the zap therapy, it was not effective but I know your heart was coming from a place of love for all 🙂
I thought god was supposed to be omniscient as well as omnipotent. He is said to have perfect foreknowledge of all things. Therefore, I can only do what he already knew I would do, since, if I did anything different his foreknowledge would be incorrect, violating his property of omniscience.
On an omniscient god the notion of human free will is meaningless. We all do only those things god already knows we will do. All our actions are predetermined in the mind of god. None of us can deviate in the slightest detail from the actions god has perfect foreknowledge of, else god’s foreknowledge would not be perfect.
See, the zap therapy failed to rid me of my liberal cognizant capacities, but I am sure all your wishes for me will continue to come from a place of love for all, which at least brings me some comfort.
Edward says
Stardusty Psyche, the zap theory was not intended to rid of you corporally, but to reset your mindset that seems to have antagonized many of the JW commenters. My efforts seems to have helped to release those subconscious things that bug you daily; about things that you emotionally believe are not right about humanity.
Inside you I can sense that you are a good person….keep it up being that person, but soften those rough edges that seems to be the precursor of many stumbling blocks that causes our unwanted dilemmas.
At 80, I have seen that and have done that and have found that liberalism is the silent enemy within us! For our cognizant of the liberalism nature has a dibilating effect that causes many gridlocks within ourselves, those around us and extending beyond our terrestial domain.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Edward,
At 80 you are never to old to learn some new things, like for example about liberalism.
Since you are so interested in the mind, I suggest Sam Harris. If you prefer a humorous delivery, Bill Maher. For serious scientist, Richard Dawkins.
Joseph says
@ Stardusty Psyche
Since you are so interested in the mind, I suggest Sam Harris. If you prefer a humorous delivery, Bill Maher. For serious scientist, Richard Dawkins.
______________________________________________
WOW!!!! You look up to these people?
I now understand why you are so messed up.
Also wipe your chin off, I guess Obama is not a straight shooter after-all
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Josseph,
They say things like
“Islamophobic is a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons”
You do appreciate that statement, don’t you?
Joseph says
@ Stardusty Psyche
“Islamophobic is a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons”
You do appreciate that statement, don’t you?
____________________________________________________
Loaded question.
Answer this, yes or no. Have you stopped masturbating five times a day to the beheading videos?
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Joseph,
My question was potentially a yes or no question, but if you think only a further elaboration could adequately answer, fine, I made no requirement to limit you to a yes or no answer.
You, on the other hand, deliberately constructed a question that would, for most people, require a longer answer.
Question:
“Have you stopped masturbating five times a day to the beheading videos?”
I never started masturbating five times a day or at all while viewing beheading videos, therefore the question is inapplicable to me.
That was not so difficult…
Ok, so:
“Islamophobic is a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons”
Joseph, you do appreciate that statement, don’t you?
Joseph says
@ Stardusty Psyche
You ignored the terms of the question therefore I am going to ignore yours.
Simple yes or no.
Your question is loaded, I will not fall for it. Get it? Or do I really have to spell it out for you.
Stardusty Psyche says
Fall for what? Spell what out? It was a very simple question, You could answer it with a yes or no, or an essay, or 1 sentence, or whatever.
The fact you are dancing around evading it tells me you have no good answer.
Joseph says
Stardusty Psyche is a new kind of Muslim troll. Either that or he is so far left that he makes Ol’ Slimobama look like a conservative.
Edward says
“Stardusty Psyche is a new kind of Muslim troll”
Yep, Stardusty Psyche is an affirmed master baiter!
Pun intended!
Edward says
I might add to the list of ‘Master Baiters’
Ultra Liberals and avowed radical muslim’s, for they have a dangerous case of infantilism!
infantilism: the persistence in an adult of markedly childish anatomical, physiological, or psychological characteristics.
Mirren10 says
”Stardusty Psyche is a new kind of Muslim troll. Either that or he is so far left that he makes Ol’ Slimobama look like a conservative”
He’s certainly an obama supporter, and an anti-Semite. But I don’t think he really has much of a commitment to anything except his own ego, and getting an adolescent thrill out of baiting Christians. As Wellington notes, he’s one of those tedious atheists we’ve had here before, who make a religion out of not having a religion. Funny how they always reserve their bile for Christianity, not islam. Ho hum.
Hope you’re keeping well, Joseph.
Joseph says
@ Mirren10
Except for a few turds in my punchbowl, I can’t complain. My prayers are with you and yours so I hope everything is OK with you.
I wished you could have seen the cartoon. I take humor on this subject wherever I can find it.
Yes S.P. is a Christian basher and he criticizes things he knows nothing about. Quite sad for one day he just may hear “Depart from Me, I never knew you” My guess though is that he is an educated Mudslime convert masquerading as an atheist.
Mirren10 says
”My prayers are with you and yours so I hope everything is OK with you.”
Thank you, Joseph. Everything is great with me, and I hope the same goes for you.
Mirren10 says
I see ‘stardusty psyche’ is continuing to reveal his idiocies for all to see.
This sill little twat contends ‘obama hates islam’.
Of course, he refrains from mentioning obama declaring in his ghost written bio, ”if the political winds shift in an ugly direction, I will stand with the muslims.” Nor does he mention obama’s appalling declaration at the UN; ”the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam”, nor does he mention the many other instances where obama has made clear his sympathy for islam.
What a maroon. 🙂
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Mirren10,
Robert Spencer never slanders Islam. Slander is a false statement. Even you guys here at JW don’t typically slander Islam.
About the book, I am not familiar with that, I will look into it, thanks for making that point.
IS says all the kings are all apostates, and Obama hates Islam. IS is the true Islam. Actions speak louder than words and every time Obama drops a bomb on IS they hear his message loud and clear.
Mirren10 says
‘stardusty psyche’ continues to reveal his own ignorance, whilst still labouring under the delusion he is some kind of ‘intellect’.
He says:
”Robert Spencer never slanders Islam. Slander is a false statement. Even you guys here at JW don’t typically slander Islam.”
What islam means by slander does not carry the same connotations to a muslim that it does to a European or an American.
One of the most widely respected manuals of Islamic jurisprudence is Reliance of the Traveller, or Umdat al-Salik, by Ahmad ibn Naqib Al-Misri. It represents the Shafiite school — one of the four major schools of Islamic law — and was written in the 14th century.
al-Misri has this to say about slander. This is a quote from the al-Azhar approved official English translation by Nuh Ha Mim Keller.
r2.0 Slander (Ghiba)
r2.1 (Nawawi:) Slander and talebearing are two of the ugliest and most frequently met with qualities among men, few people being safe from them. I have begun with them because of the widespread need to warn people of them.
Slander
r2.2 Slander (ghiba) means to mention anything concerning a person that he would dislike…
So “slander” does not have to be untrue, or damaging, or financially harmful. It simply has to be disliked by the person on the receiving end.
In other words, it offends the person it refers to.
Telling the truth about islam, to muslims, *is* slander, and it offends them.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Mirren10,
Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review, a law professor, senator, and POTUS.
Slander in the context of the law is an untruth.
Robert Spenser has never slandered Islam to my knowledge. He puts a great deal of work into being accurate and therefore does not fall under the category of slander as a law professor would define it.
Lots of people throw out the terms slander and libel every time somebody says something they don’t like…tough luck for them.
I absolutely support the statement by Obama that we should not slander Islam. I try my best to never slander Islam. The truth is quite sufficient to discredit Islam.
.
Mirren10 says
‘stardusty psyche’ clearly has reading comprehension problems, in addition to being as thick as a brick.
My post referred to what *muslims* consider slander to be, according to islamic *law*.
But this little twat completely disregards that, continuing to witter on about what slander means in *western*, civilised law.
obama, as a law professor, versed in civilised law, knows what slander means in the west, and I would bet he is also aware of the islamic definition.
Stardusty Psyche says
But if you don’t believe me let’s ask Robert Spencer…
Robert Spencer: “What I say about Islam is neither hatred nor slander; it is true”
http://www.inquisitr.com/1018323/islam-jihad-and-democracy-the-inquisitr-interviews-robert-spencer/
So, Robert Spencer agrees with Obama, we should never slander Islam. I agree with them both as well.
pongidae rex says
The weaponization of UN mandated human rights, refugee resettlement and immigration treaties by our adversaries spells the end of the West. It is August 1914 all over again and we follow this legal framework off a cliff into chaos. It is a mathematical certainty.