Valls said: “We must say all of this is not Islam. The hate speech, anti-Semitism that hides behind anti-Zionism and hate for Israel… the self-proclaimed imams in our neighbourhoods and our prisons who are promoting violence and terrorism.” He also said: “Yet Islam is here to stay in France.”
The Islamic State, al-Qaeda, those “self-proclaimed imams” in France, and a host of others insist that their hatred, anti-Semitism, violence and terrorism are not only Islamic, but quintessentially Islamic. Could they be right? This question is not allowed to be discussed in the West — even raising it brings charges of “racism,” “bigotry” and “Islamophobia,” as if it were an obviously settled question that jihad terrorism, Islamic anti-Semitism, and Islamic supremacism had nothing to do with Islam. Yet it is not at all settled as far as the jihadis are concerned, and they continue to make recruits among young Muslims in France and elsewhere in the West by claiming Islamic authenticity.
So Valls is staking the future of France on what is, at best, an unproven proposition: that the violence done in Islam’s name is not Islamic and is rejected by the vast majority of Muslims in France and elsewhere.
Is that wise?
“Hate and extremism ‘not Islam’: French PM,” by Joshua Melvin, AFP, June 15, 2015:
Paris (AFP) – French Prime Minister Manuel Valls stressed on Monday there was no link between extremism and Islam, as he opened a conference aimed at improving ties with France’s large Muslim community.
“We must say all of this is not Islam,” said Valls. “The hate speech, anti-Semitism that hides behind anti-Zionism and hate for Israel… the self-proclaimed imams in our neighbourhoods and our prisons who are promoting violence and terrorism.”
Five months after the jihadist attacks in Paris that killed 17 people and shocked the world, the government plans to hold a series of meetings with top officials from the roughly five million-strong Muslim community, the largest in Europe.
The first forum — expected to be attended by between 120-150 Muslim community leaders as well as top government officials and ministers — will debate security at religious sites, the image of Islam in the media and the building of new mosques.
There are about 2,500 mosques in France, with another 300 projects under way, but creating new Muslim places of worship has sometimes prompted fierce opposition from local residents….
Radicalisation, however, is not on the agenda for the half-day gathering at France’s interior ministry, which said putting it on the table would be “a bad message to the French and to the Muslim community.”
The gathering is a tricky exercise for the government because it is seeking an improved dialogue with the Muslim community while trying to avoid looking like it is singling it out….
“Islam still provokes misunderstandings, prejudices, and is rejected by some citizens,” the prime minister said.”Yet Islam is here to stay in France. It’s the second largest religious group in our country.”
Bradamante says
Have you seen this article about the Taliban calling on Muslims in Burma to “take up the sword”?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/burmas-great-terror-moves-a-step-closer-as-taliban-urges-rohingya-to-take-up-the-sword-10319254.html
Bradamante says
Oops, wrong box.
miriamrove says
The never learn, do they? M
Joseph says
@ miriamrove
Oh I would say they learn, but not in a timely fashion. By the time they “learn” it is almost too late and to correct their mistakes and it will cost MANY more innocent lives to purge the evil. Lives of common folk like you and I and our sons and daughters. Not them or their sons and daughters for they are a protected class of people, money and power purchases sanctuary.
miriamrove says
You said that right. m
Don McKellar says
Absolutely.
Duck says
France is indeed circling the societal drain
Joseph says
We must say all of this is not Islam. The hate speech, anti-Semitism that hides behind anti-Zionism and hate for Israel… the self-proclaimed imams in our neighborhoods and our prisons who are promoting violence and terrorism.” ___________________________________________________________
Well then what is it. They say this all the time but they never give an answer as to what it is.
REASON?…….Because IT IS Islam. They are too afraid to say it.
cs says
Yes, but perhaps they are nearly there?
A small push and BANG!!
Georg says
They are saying it’s the creation of and behavior of Israel, which does poorly to explain Muhammed’s anti-Semitic, genocidal rocks and trees, now doesn’t it?
Joseph says
@ cs
I wish that were true. Remember; the USA had a big “SHOVE” on September 11, 2001.
Look at where we are now. There are many out there that no matter how hard you shove and push they will still want to live in their fantasy world. I still hear people blaming 9/11 on the USA.
cs says
Do you know what I feel? That this Islam thing is just like the Elephant in a room paradox. The guys was thinking his living room was too small, he seeks advice, the adviser said to put a elephant in the room, he does it, starts to feel suffocated, visit the adviser again, this one recommends removing the elephant, the guy is amazed, after the removal of the elephant his room seems immense.
you are unhappy with your culture? Put something much worse there, and you start to love it.
Georg says
Valls gave what seemed to be a great speech in aftermath of the Hebdo kilings — particularly as it related to anti-Semitism. Wow, did he do a 180. It seems the party line had momentarily left him and he was quickly ordered back in place. Where does it say in any Western country’s founding documents that we must love Islam? It’s all so very insane.
And I’ve never met a Muslim who wasn’t anti-Semitic. There are undoubtedly some, but they are rare and certainly heterodox. Get real, Valls and open the book/hadiths!
dumbledoresarmy says
Those persons, raised in Muslim families, who somehow manage to get past the hate-the-Jews programming and discover that hey, I *like* Jews and hey, Israel is *not* the embodiment of all evil, tend to be people on their way *out* of Islam.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Magdi Cristiano Allam and Nonie Darwish had all three begun to free themselves of Jew-hatred *before* they fully awoke to the horribleness of Islam, and apostasised.
(sometimes it happens the other way around; a person ditches Islam and *then* has their epiphany about Jews and Israel).
One may observe, by the by, a correlation that works in the other direction: today, across the world, persons – not Muslim at present – who are *Jew-haters* of various descriptions, or susceptible to that pathological condition, tend to be friendly-inclined towards Islam.
Georg says
Very interesting that those who lose interest in Islam JUST SO HAPPEN to lose interest in anti-Semitism. Hmmmmm
jewdog says
Oui, Monsieur Valls, I’m afraid that Islam is here to stay, but I can hear the clock ticking for you.
Doug says
To the ramparts, mes amis or the voice of Lady Guillotine will once again be heard in Place de la Concorde.
Lee Poteet says
How, even in France and much less in Britain or Germany, does one reach such a high office and remain so ill if not misinformed? Astounding.
Georg says
A great question, Lee, and I’m afraid it contains your answer. Those who are Islam savvy and prepared to behave accordingly are effectively barred from high office for a litany of reasons and by as many mechanisms.
Jaladhi says
This hate, terror, violence … is not Islam. OK then you say Mr PM that Quran is also not Isalm since of this hate towards everyone come right out of Quran!! Why the western politicians are becoming dumb and dumber every day??
Georg says
If I may summarize:
The Koran has nothing to do with Islam.
Ali Baba says
Good one!
Lucretius says
I was just thinking that if Valls followed the logic of his own statement–that hate speech, anti-semitism, the “self-proclaimed” violence and extremism promoting imams–have nothing to do with Islam, then he would put anything with these characteristics outside the pale of protected religious matters, and freely proceed against it as a subversive conspiracy, and ban Bukhari among other things, for there would only be left the state approved and expurgated version of Islam, “true” Islam according to the French state,… and all might be well. But he has no such firmness, nor take in hand what Hobbes said was the prerogative of the sovereign, to fully define the religion of subjects. Sovereigns just aren’t what they used to be, above all the democratic.
Angemon says
I give Valls 4.5 *eyerolls* out of 5.
Gary says
Until the West realizes we are at war with something unrepentantly evil, that will not listen to reason and will not compromise, we must be prepared to face the consequences….
Death & Destruction of civilization as we know it.
Why? Islam rejects Christ as God’s son. They reject His message….
“This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.” (2 JOHN 1:6-9)
duh_swami says
Valls and his gov have joined them because he is afraid he can’t beat them…That means he has become a jihadist assisting in removing obstacles from the spread of Islam…Complete surrender…
underbed cat says
I agree, P.M.Valls is fearful and may realize that the United States, would not be of any assistance to his country (at least as of the present date) and may not want to face the ummah ( and a few jihadists) alone. The ongoing discussions and dismal pretense that Iran will do anything other than become “bad” nuclear would also add to the fear. By stating that Islam is here to stay in France, does seem to be total submission and if I wear a French citizen I would be drinking heavily.( but that solves nothing).
As Georg says. Valls did a complete 180, i too heard Valls speak had hope..
underbed cat says
correction were not wear…sorry…
Islam_Macht_Frei says
So the very antithesis of “Liberty, equality, fraternity” is “here to stay in France?” There is little doubt about how that will work out and soon “Liberty, equality, fraternity” will only be found in history books….
Sam says
France deserves Islam and Europe too. ENJOY!
Westman says
Here is a test that Prime Minister Manuel Valls can run in Paris to test his assertion. Leave his government limousine parked overnight in one of the non-existent no-go neighborhoods that are marked with Sharia Law warning signs for two nights. If it remains untouched, then report to the world how safe it has been. If it is vandalized or burned then the PM can recant his assertion that violence and Islam are mutually exclusive.
Better yet, the PM can go, without bodyguards, and spend the night in one of those neighborhoods and report on the result. After all, there could be no greater example of true Islam than a neighborhood governed by Sharia.
Charli Main says
Why waste time and money building new Mosques for the Muslims????
Just build minarets on all the existing churches in France and hand them over to the MusRats. Its going to happen anyway. It will show the MusRats that the French are not racist, bigoted, zenophobic, islamophobes.
R Cole says
So-called anti-racism policies have brought France their problems.
The so-called anti-racism lobby seem to want it all and take no responsibility for their actions. It is like communism – on paper it all looks good but in reality – unchecked it can be disastrous.
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Afraid to Act
Surely France saw its immigrant problem mounting – [most Americans don’t understand how Muslim immigration works in Europe ~ it’s perpetual] – in that for possibly decades the French allowed immigrants who were not employed – to marry those [mostly relatives] from their old countries or villages – and bring their spouses back to France to live off the state. A significant portion of these families remained unemployed – and when their children became of age – they too were allowed to repeat the same immigration marriage practice.
To apply sensible immigration limits – or to suggest the practice should be stopped all together – meant being labeled a racist.
These immigration policies were reformed under form President Sarkozy – to a chorus of racism, human rights violations and xenophobia accusations.
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Ironically – here is where the anti-racists have their way again – with millions of French Muslims unemployed – and living in these semi-autonomous [no-go] areas – they delight in blaming the French for discrimination and not providing employment for these immigrants.
Conveniently for the anti-Islamophobia groups – if one of these French Muslims joins ISIS or commits a terrorist act on French soil – it is because they don’t have a job.
The objective of the anti-racism. anti-Islamophobia campaigners is to complain without offering real solutions – at least not ones based in reality.
Afraid to Speak
For these campaigners the French PM’s opening statement could not be the problem with Islam in France…
…simply because it might offend.
So to avoid being called racists – we have to seek solutions where they don’t exist!
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France has imported their problems – France has allowed immigrants in en masse – who had no respect or remote interest in French values.
To remedy this Sarkozy spoke of the responsibility of immigrants to France – this versus it being solely France’s responsibility to the immigrant. He put in place new policies – where citizenship was granted after an extended period – where the immigrant must demonstrate their engagement with the French creed – liberty, equality and secularism. A part of gaining French citizenship was an interview – to answer no to – do you believe women should vote – meant they were shipped back – often to N. Africa.
The banning of the burqa followed this.
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Anti-racism positions are almost religious – in that – it can have its extremes.
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With all that Muslim say Islam promises – why is the Islamic world built on these principles failing them ~ that they wish to see the same structures erected here – is the definition of insanity.
There is no question – we have to tell them ~ Non!
vincent says
jihadis love him, he will be rewarded by having his head cut off
Champ says
French PM: “We must say all of this is not Islam. The hate speech, anti-Semitism…violence and terrorism.”
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“If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it.”
Or so they say …
But a lie will always remain just that.
Angemon says
Yup. And he can avoid reality but not the consequences of avoiding reality.
Xero_G says
Of course the French PM is correct; the anti-antisemitism, violence, terrorism, and hate speech is not ALL Islam. A tiny percentage could be caused by mental illness. Only 99.99% is due to Islam. Nothing to see here, keep moving…
Wellington says
Valls is either truly clueless or he’s not just lying to others but to himself as well. Whichever, it does not bode well for France, for Europe, for the West.
Ah, where’s another Charles Martel when you really need him? Instructive, depressingly so, that an eighth-century man knew more about the truth of things than does a twenty-first century man. But this is the state of things today whereby mankind is far more advanced technologically than in the eighth century (and no thanks to the modern Islamic world for this) but is actually regressing in the areas of common sense and moral intelligence. If this constitututes progress, progress has to be rethought. Guaranteed someone like Valls won’t be doing it.
jed says
> “We must say all of this is not Islam,” said Valls.
That should be reassuring to the next group to be butchered by muslims.
Its nice to know that after thousands of terrorist attacks, the best politicians can come up with is “I have no clue, but I know its not islam, because muslims live in France”
Hitler could only dream of opponents so deluded.
pongidae rex says
It is called ‘magical thinking’. It is disassociative cognition where any contradiction of a coveted delusion is perceived either as an affirmation of it, or violently rejected as an anomaly or conspiracy. Under magical thinking, the savage outrages of the Islamic State are, in fact, affirmations of the peaceful nature of ‘true Islam’ which is imagined as a counter to it. Those who call attention to the delusional nature of this thinking are violently rejected as ‘Islamophobic’. If Western leaders do not make it back to reality and real-world thinking from this mass psychosis, very soon, the West is doomed..
Edward says
Valls said: “We must say all of this is not Islam. The hate speech, anti-Semitism that hides behind anti-Zionism and hate for Israel… the self-proclaimed imams in our neighbor hoods and our prisons who are promoting violence and terrorism.”
He also said: “Yet Islam is here to stay in France.”
Oh…! Fear factor creeping in, huh!
Valls’ “here to stay in France” comment is his security blanket. The Islamic religion MO is using ‘FEAR’ as a psychological tool, which seems to be their successful tactical winning ploy. THUGS!
somehistory says
He said, in part: “the image of Islam”
This is what is all important. To the muslims who wish to continue with their stealth jihad and to those who wish not to try to put a stop to the stealth jihad…such as this politician.
Who would wish to… live next door, have as a co-worker, shop alongside, ride along with on mass transportation, serve, be served by, depend on for medical services, fire protection, police protection, stand before in a court of law, be defended by, defend, hire for childcare, housecleaning,…someone who one knew to harbor feelings of hate so strong that one’s head could be separated from one’s body and no guilt or remorse ever exhibited? And one would never know just when the separation would take place. Who wants to live anywhere near someone like that?
The image of islam must be protected, because to allow the reality to show to everyone, without an image makeover…is to allow everyone on earth to know just how evil…and dangerous…islam is.
islam is the beast from satan. Its image also from satan and supported by the false prophet…and not the dead, so-called prophet from the desert.
(Revelation 13)
Guy Macher says
You will not call terror and violence “Islam”! Verstehen sie, kafir?
pongidae rex says
Or else, what? Catch-22…
gerard says
Is there a single political leader in government that has a clue?
Cecilia Ellis says
Benjamin Netanyahu.
gerard says
Quite so. But I was thinking of Europe. European leaders are busy promoting the Islamisation of their countries.
underbed cat says
To Gerard: Yes there are some,but we need more to speak. Micheal Bachmann, MN and Louie Gohmert from TX are the two who I can recall. When they speak out they get called hateful, islamophobic for just some examination and the press takes it from there…since no one seems to want to “provoke” anyone. I am sure some politicians are seeing the truth and the danger as events unravel. The misdirection of information by the stealth jihadist support organizations can’t last forever.
I think this goes to the middle eastern entanglement of economics, trade, previous aid of our military, deception of information about the structure of the ideology, leftist propaganda, from the very entities we tried to assist as they say hook, line and sinker. But when I read that Saudi Arabia has built a fence to defend itself from Isis, the world sure gets strange and that is a big “clue”…
Fritz Kohlhaas says
Hey Valls, you are an imbecile! This is Islam in it’s purest form! Study the Koran, the Hadith, the commentaries by Muslim clerics and scholars throughout the centuries! Study the Time-line of Muslim conquest! Then, perhaps, you will the light!
Porky The Crusader says
Yes he is, there is no doubt about that.
Celtic says
Reminds me of this moronic Swedish politician who apologized for criticizing islamic law- claiming that it has nothing to do with Islam.
All of this has nothin to do with Islam, aye? Let’s twist it, let’s forge a kind of Islam which we want to exist – and then we call this nonsensical and rainbow coloured ideas about Islam the true Islam, when in fact the true Islam is all of the things which we claim has nothing to do with Islam.
Politicians continue to amaze me. Hat and extremism, not Islam – well…. actually Islam is a violent cult of death which spread only through killing and fear – but hey, Islam has nothing to do with this!
gerard says
After Bosch Fawstin (“You can’t draw me!” “That’s why I draw you!”)
“You can’t call ISIS Islamic!” “That’s why I call ISIS Islamic!”
qedlin says
Another delusional liberal fool, apologies for the redundancy.
Arthur says
Wouldn’t it be fitting if they held the conference in the quaint little city of Vichy?
Alf says
“We must say” If that is an accurate translation then it implies that it is expedient to “say”; but what is the underlying truth he is addressing ?
Isabella says
How can Valls be so naive? What more does he need to realize that France is going to its own societal suicide with the invasion of people who hate France while being able to conceal it to the oblivious Valls? I am really concerned.
Georg says
I am very concerned as well, Isabella. I’m so disgusted with this young generation for their apathy, delusion, and cowardice. I’m outraged that no one is outraged. What a bunch of cowards who are asleep at the helm afforded them by Great Sacrifice. As many have said, I’m glad the WWII generation is [mostly] not here to witness it.
We have to become more organized. We have to be honest that if were are not proactive we are complicit. But what is the best way to get started?
Rick says
Beautifully expressed, sir
Ahava says
That’s exactly the problem Georg: how to fight against 1) apathy of ourselves, 2) disbelief of our beloved (“These muslims are quite normal people, don’t make such a fuss, why being afraid?”), 3) our leaders who are scared to admit that they are, and have been wrong (a politician prefers to die above being political-incorrectly).
The tactic of divide-and-rule of our governments is a helpful tool for the islam to spread wider and wider. I fear the future, every day more. Like you, as I suppose. But how to cooperate worldwide against this Dangerous Beast from the Middle-East? There is no answer. Just stay faithfully.
Celtic says
Easy there, George, I’am one of the young Generations – so please don’t generalize the issue.
CaptainPlanet90 says
The very same holier than thou ‘WW2 generation’ who invited boat loads of African/Muslim immigrants directly onto UK shores and handed over UK sovereignty to the EC/EU? What a great example the younger generation has to look up to.
YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER says
NO, PM VALLS, it is not we who must say this, IT IS THE MUSLIMS WHO WANT TO LIVE IN EUROPE.
And WE – the European governments – must SUPPORT and PROTECT the Muslims who attack the Murderous Muslims, and rid Europe of the Murderous Muslims. Either by deportation, incarceration [in solitary confinement] or….
EYESOPEN says
Valls said: “We must say all of this is not Islam….”
WHY?