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Islamic State marks gay marriage ruling by throwing 4 gay men off a roof

Jun 28, 2015 5:36 pm By Robert Spencer

ISIS-execute-a-gay-man-in-DirZour-by-throwing-him-from-High-buildingYet gay activists in the West tend to side with Leftists who consider resistance to jihad terror to be “Islamophobia.” Suicidal short-sightedness.

Apparently the Islamic State was not moved to repentance by photos of gay marriage supporters — which will come as a surprise to the editors of Foreign Policy.

“Horrific moment ISIS kill four gay men by throwing them from a roof,” by Jamie Lewis, Mirror, June 27, 2015:

A sickening new ISIS video shows four gay men being thrown to their deaths from the roof of a building.

The footage was posted on the day the historic legislation of same-sex marriage was passed in the US.

Twitter account @Raqqa_Sl, which campaigns to end the violence in Syria, tweeted photos from the execution in the Syrian city of Deir ez-Zor.

Sick: Militants secure a man before throwing him to his death

A video uploaded by the campaigners showed the men being forced to queue on a five-storey building before being thrown over the edge.

No screams are audible as they fall to their deaths.

Hundreds of people living under the Islamic caliphate gathered to watch the brutal execution.

Spectators can be heard gasping in an atrocious scene as the men died one after another, with their corpses piling up on the ground.

Yesterday marked one of the greatest steps in gay rights history after a landmark Supreme Court decision making same-sex marriage a right for everyone in the US.

It has been suggested that the Islamic extremists flung four men from a rooftop before allowing them to plunge to their deaths to ‘celebrate’ the occasion.

Many ISIS extremists online were seen to ironically use the hashtag #LoveWins – a rallying tweet for gay rights campaigners across the globe….

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  1. Stardusty Psyche says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    “Yet gay activists in the West tend to side with Leftists who consider resistance to jihad terror to be “Islamophobia.” Suicidal short-sightedness.”

    Indeed, Islam is the most illiberal doctrine out there, yet so many liberals just don’t get it.

    • Georg says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 6:09 am

      It’s the great irony of the day and will look great on their legacy. Such forethought.

      • Jo Bruce says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 1:14 pm

        Gay leftists don’t like isis, but they truly hate Israel.

        • GeorgeB says

          Jul 7, 2015 at 5:37 pm

          It’s a simple thinking process of the Left:
          1. I they love AMERICA, the hate them!
          2. If they hate America, they love them…
          Simple, eh?
          BTW, haven’t heard much of the feminatzis hating Islam, because of the treatment of women over there…Strange, eh?
          Until you realize they are lefty groups, so go back to items 1 and 2.

    • Bamaguje says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 6:19 am

      Notice how Muslims in the West don’t say much about homosexuality, despite the fact that Islam is much more intolerant of the sexual deviancy than the Judeo-Christian West.
      It’s like the Leftist-Muslim alliance in the West have an understanding – Western Leftists do not attack Islam (even with its virulent homophobia), and their Muslim allies in turn do not stand in the way of Leftist gay activism.

      • Georg says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 10:44 am

        Yep. It’s right up there with the most most intellectually cowardly things I’ve seen in my life.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 11:55 am

        There is that, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and realpolitik. For the leftists radical politics often trumps anything else…feminism, gay rights.

        Then consider how much homosexuality is actually practiced in the Muslim World, especially in the most strictly sex-segregated cultures, as has been observed and commented on since at least medieval times…after all, it was nicknamed both the “Persian” and the “Turkish” vice at one time. Because it was observed as so prevalent.

        There were nuances on what was or wasn’t considered homosexual among the Muslims. Much as in prison culture where the dominant male using a man or boy as a substitute for a female (as they would claim) does not consider himself a “homosexual.” Whatever the thinking, you have this hypocrisy that allows so much same sex activity while executing others for it (or maybe just for forming emotional attachments). I’m sure others can explain these wonders better than I, I just mention it. Like I’d mention the strange attraction of some western gays toward the Islamic world, particularly British homosexuals since the 19th century. And not just British. Serge Trifkovic once quoted some purple prose from a gay site “brucelabruce” years ago gushing over the attractions of Bin Laden: “but the bottom line – and it’s coming from a devout bottom – is that there’s still something extremely sensual and potent about the image of the Islamic male. You only have to compare the stiff, asexual frigidity of Bush and his bookmarmish wife with the moist-eyed, sensitive and soft-spoken quality of the bearded Bin Laden, feminine yet virile, with his multiple wives and vast progeny, to grasp the difference.”

        I’m not saying that is representative but it certainly exists. Like the death wish exists.

        • Kepha says

          Jun 29, 2015 at 5:54 pm

          Jack Diamong, reading your comments on the attractions the Islamic world holds for certain homosexuals, I’ve long thought that it is impossible for a man who enjoys getting the equivalent of a prostate exam to be healthy, while those who enjoy giving it (outside the exercise of carefully considered and regulated medical responsibilities) would probably have to be more than a little bit cruel. Hence, it probably is akin to a death wish. Your “brucelabruce” quotes also suggest that the homosexual culture is one that stresses appearance over substance, and is swayed by surface impressions. Hence it is unlikely ever to be an anti-Jihad ally.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jun 29, 2015 at 10:45 pm

          Perhaps. I just have questions not answers.

    • Shane says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 10:04 am

      There are a few on the left who understand that Islam is the worst religion in the world today, notably Bill Maher and Sam Harris. Most liberals are clueless twits like Ben Affleck when it comes to ignoring the Islamic threat.

      Sam Harris tears down Muslim apologetics…..again:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCOQukCn0kg

      Sam Harris versus clueless Feminist Muhammad Apologist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JrYCHC0bkE

      • Georg says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 10:54 am

        Ayaan Hirsi Ali made a great point hypothesizing that Ben Affleck wouldn’t play Muhammad in a movie (blasphemy aside). Presumably he wouldn’t want to be on the silver screen beheading Jews, beheading who knows who else, beating women, “consummating” with a 9-year old, talking about all the torture non-believers can expect, blathering on endlessly about Islamic supremacism, blathering about all things anti-Semitic, sanctioning the taking of sex slaves, forcing conquered people to watch rape/executions, and I’m sure a litany of other good stuff.

        Well why not, Ben? Is this not the deliverer of a great religion?

    • Heather says

      Jul 1, 2015 at 7:59 am

      Dr. Divinity. No. Isis may want to throw them off buildings, but Christians just like to bully to the point they commit suicide. Same sin, really. “pull the plank out of your own eye first, then help your brother…”

  2. Angemon says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    In Turkey they were “just” greeted with tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons. See? Moderate Turkey!!! sarc./off…

  3. duh_swami says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 6:02 pm

    None of them were married, were they? Looks like Robert was right that those photo’s of happy gays, didn’t impress them much.

  4. Neil Jennison says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    Islamic tolerance at its finest.

    I don’t know whether other Brits can find the link to today’s Sunday Politics…………it is probably free in the USA it certainly is in the UK.

    But for the first time ……..I felt a little more hopeful. Some people beginning to tell it as it is!

    Watch it.

    • Georg says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 6:21 am

      Is this what you’re referring to?

      • Georg says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 6:32 am

        Full 15 minutes segment:

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02vt2lc

        Thanks, Neil for recommending this.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 7:36 am

      Thank you for the link.
      Alas, old delusions (the result of Islamic deception) are alive and well.
      Andrew Neil reports that the Home Secretary said the Tunisia murders had “nothing to do with Islam”. How come she is an expert?

      Lord Dannat, military commander, said:

      “We’ve got to win the battle for hearts and minds” 12.00
      “They [Islamist extremists] have got to be discredited, and their narrative has got to be shown as baseless and a perversion of one of the world’s great religions.”
      No, my Lord: hearts and minds are not available in Islam.
      No “perversion”, my Lord: Islamic State is doing exactly what it says in the book.

      • Georg says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 11:03 am

        Exactly right, Michael. I thanked him for suggesting the video prematurely, after having seen only Nawaz’s comments — which I thought were excellent. I was shaking my head in dismay several times. I should have known it was coming, with it being BBC and all. Uphill we go.

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 30, 2015 at 1:00 pm

          Yes, Maajid Nawaz is a very crafty snake, able to craft his words just the right way to fool even those in the Counter-Jihad.

        • Georg says

          Jul 1, 2015 at 1:02 am

          I thought his comments were excellent. However, I’m hesitant to fully believe “what you see is what you get” with Nawaz. Anyone who was a jihadist will always be suspect in my book. And it seems possible self-aggrandizement could well be a large part of the appeal for him. It would be great if he truly has changed and heartily believes jihadists and Islamists are the bane we know them to be, but I’d be lying if I don’t still see him as a former agent who has turned sides; we’ll have to wait ’til the fat lady sings.

  5. Agent of Liberty says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 6:34 pm

    If you check out the Pegida protests in Europe, the Rainbow flag flys with Pegida. Sorry Robert but most gays don’t stand with Leftists. Unfortunately the more newsy type gays are leftist. Gays along with a good portion of the population falls into the category that Islam is this religion of peace. Naievity

  6. Marti van Lin says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 6:40 pm

    [quote]Yet gay activists in the West tend to side with Leftists who consider resistance to jihad terror to be “Islamophobia.” Suicidal short-sightedness.[/quote]

    That’s a bit biased IMO.

    You are ignoring the likes of Pim Fortyn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn and probably the majority of LGBT who *despise* the religion of of hate and destruction.

    Granted I was totally shocked, that there is a “foundation”, called “Gays For Gaza”. I fully agree with you that they must be totally insane, self hating and suicidal ignorant handy fools.

    BTW I’m a Dutch openly homosexual and most certainly not a “gay activist”. These days I wear the accusation of being called a “Racist” and “Islamophobe” as a medal of honor.

    • Georg says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 7:02 am

      “the majority of LGBT who *despise* the religion of of hate”

      Unless I’m mistaken, I think the outrage here (at least by most) is directed at many in the left who support gays AS WELL as Islamists. That said, I have seen quite a few gay activists ranting about Islamophobia, but that’s fairly anecdotal and I don’t know what polls would show about their stance on Islam, which would be interesting to see.

      The almost inexplicable support some/many on the left show toward Islam, in my view, is an example of what’s sometimes called “soft racism” where, because the majority of adherents of Islam are non-white, they are allowed behavior and views which would be vehemently condemned if put forward by a white person. Just see how certain leftists tend to react to Christian homophobia.

      Those on the left who do stick up for Islamists are so very far from admitting this logical incongruence because it is way, far beyond the pale for them to acknowledge they could be racists. It would be a nightmare among nightmares — literally unthinkable– and so for ego integrity they just will not face it.

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 30, 2015 at 1:04 pm

        The almost inexplicable support some/many on the left show toward Islam, in my view, is an example of what’s sometimes called “soft racism” where, because the majority of adherents of Islam are non-white, they are allowed behavior and views which would be vehemently condemned if put forward by a white person.

        That’s putting it mildly. The #1 reason why the entire Western Mainstream tends to bend over to respect Islam and Muslims is because of that Reverse Racism factor. And one indication of just how powerful that Reverse Racism meme is, it finds its tendrils even into the Counter-Jihad, where one does not expect to see such spasms of PC MC (as when recently FOPs became unhinged with a righteous indignation one only sees from Leftists or PC MCs by my observation that PC MC tends to favor Muslims because in their view Muslims are Brown People).

        • Angemon says

          Jun 30, 2015 at 1:13 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “That’s putting it mildly. The #1 reason why the entire Western Mainstream tends to bend over to respect Islam and Muslims is because of that Reverse Racism factor.”

          Why is it then that we don’t see this “Reverse Racism” of yours acting when it comes to Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, African Christians, Egyptian Christians, Zoroastrians, etc? I’ve asked that several times but you, in a Lysenkian fashion, simply ignored valid criticism and kept the propaganda machine rolling.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 30, 2015 at 1:17 pm

          Here’s one of your “Brown People”:

          http://paladin.typepad.com/files/img_2757.jpg

          Here’s one of the your alleged “Non-Brown Racists”:

          http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Hirsi-Ali-Ayaan-HR.jpg

        • Georg says

          Jul 1, 2015 at 1:10 am

          Agreed, except that I prefer to call it racism rather than reverse-racism.

        • Georg says

          Jul 1, 2015 at 1:12 am

          *and I know Islam isn’t a race. I’m attempting to speak to what I believe the motives (whether conscious or not) of the left are regarding their otherwise puzzling coddling of Islam.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 30, 2015 at 12:36 am

      Good for you, Marti. I also have a good friend who is Gay and Jewish and a staunch Anti-Jihadist.

      But many Gay people—like so many others in the West—still fail to recognize the Jihad threat.

  7. Agent of Liberty says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 6:56 pm

    This just in! CNN reports ISIS flag at gay pride party! But if they looked a little closer it’s the ISIS flat covered with dildos and butterflies plugs.

    • Marti van Lin says

      Jun 28, 2015 at 7:13 pm

      [quote]CNN reports ISIS flag at gay pride party![/quote]

      Link?

      @Agent of Liberty Oh, you where just trolling, never mind…

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 13, 2015 at 3:27 pm

        No, Agent of Liberty wasn’t trolling. What had initially been reported by big name media like CNN as an ISIS flag at a gay parade turned out to be a spoof studded with the aforementioned items. At least one savvy gay Anti-Jihadist at that parade. Here’s the story from the Washington Post:

        “Parody Islamic State flag creator: ‘I’m still waiting for an apology’ from CNN”

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/07/03/parody-islamic-state-flag-creator-im-still-waiting-for-an-apology-from-cnn/

        But—insanely—there *have* been Hamas flags and “Palestinian” Kafiyyas displayed at gay parades before, and this is likely the phenomenon that this wag was spoofing in the first place.

  8. Agent of Liberty says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    Correction!
    That’s butterflies plugs not butterflies plugs

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Jun 28, 2015 at 10:04 pm

      Huh? Is this one of them there mistaken corrections? I’ve never been to Jannat so I’m not into porno, but what in the heck is a butterfly plug?

      • AJ Liberphile says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 6:18 am

        I think this is one of those few things that we would rather not know.

  9. Mo says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 7:17 pm

    There’s nothing shown in the video I saw.

    • particolor says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 4:55 am

      Correction !… There was nothing to be Beheld in the Video I tried to Behold ! 🙁
      Come back later when the Cinema is OPEN ! 🙂

  10. Champ says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    It has been suggested that the Islamic extremists flung four men from a rooftop before allowing them to plunge to their deaths to ‘celebrate’ the occasion.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Sick savages! …and IS is coming for *all* of us!

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Jun 28, 2015 at 10:09 pm

      Wait, first they flung them and then they allowed them to plunge to their deaths? What, was there some resting point halfway down? If yes, that would be kind of a homosexual purgatory, and I don’t see the New Caliphs as the kinda guys who’d stand for halfway houses for souls. They are binary, zero or one, on or off, good or bad.

  11. Mr. Truthy says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    You say “Yet gay activists in the West tend to side with Leftists who consider resistance to jihad terror to be “Islamophobia.”” — how do you know this? I don’t know it and I don’t believe it. Why make up crap like this? Why the childish sarcasm all the time? Say something concrete and clear and stop the whining! This is a great site for collecting the horrors of Islam (BTW, I’m liberal, and you’d probably think me a radical leftist), but your “editorial” style is just silly and hurts your cause.

    • Robert Spencer says

      Jun 28, 2015 at 11:17 pm

      Nothing made up at all. When Pamela Geller and I ran ads in San Francisco calling attention to Islamic law’s mistreatment of gays, the San Francisco city council denounced not the persecution of gays in Muslim countries, but our ads. Theresa Sparks, a transgender, led the charge. See also Chris Stedman, a gay activist who has written articles denouncing us for daring to call attention to Islamic mistreatment of gays. Also, when Pamela Geller was invited by a gay activist who is on her side to write an article about Islam’s mistreatment of gays for the Advocate, it was rejected. I could go on, but it isn’t needed: the gay movement is obviously firmly in the Leftist camp, and the Left generally considers resistance to jihad terror to be “Islamophobia.”

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 8:07 am

        Anybody remember the special edition of the old Superman comic book called Bizzaro World? A Bizarro edition would come out one or twice a year, and was always a big seller.

        We are in a Bizarro World now, and its editions are released daily. Hourly.

      • Agent of Liberty says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 10:58 am

        Yes, the supposedly gay leadership/activists who have the platform and influence of the media are continuously wrong about islam. I believe the gays, myself being one, yes the agent of liberty is gay. Being bullied and denied rights all our lives, still laws existing in 34 states to legally discriminate against gays are comparing muslim minority status to themselves. The gays are naive about the horrors of islam. But will eventually start discovering the violent doctrines of the koran and hopefully see the light on how much a threat islam is to live freely. I believe european gays and Europe are finally coming around to the realization of how bad islam is. PEGIDA is supported by lots of gays, In general I think gays lean left but their are a lot of gays who are center right. Robert please don’t lump all gays as leftist as you insinuate. Your statement “the left generally considers resistance to jihad terrorists to be islamaphobia is a stretch. I don’t think anyone thinks JIHAD TERROR is islamaphobia. And the advocate needs to to interview you and Pam Gellar and print it. What you and Pam, Geert Wilders do are amazing and you are both true heroes in defending freedom!

      • john spielman says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 2:45 pm

        thanks Robert, for your continued courageous good work

      • gravenimage says

        Jun 30, 2015 at 12:44 am

        Sadly, Robert Spencer is quite correct.

    • Georg says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 7:17 am

      Try to find a protest opposing Islamism where there is not a group such as United Against Fascism there giving them a hard time. That leftists commonly oppose anti-Islamists shouldn’t be controversial. Obviously not all on the left oppose anti-Islamists, but there are enough to be at virtually every anti-Islamist rally.

      • Georg says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 7:21 am

        Here is an example. The uncivility of United Against Fascism is likely why anti-Islamists tend to get riled up and even bitter when discussing the issue. It’s not fun opposing Islamists and being metaphorically (sometimes literally) spat upon for doing so.

    • Georg says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 11:27 am

      Mr. Truthy, how dare you speak so disrespectfully to Robert saying he makes up “crap”, that he is “childish” and telling him how to present information or not to be sarcastic. Your smug attitude and condescending tone are unmistakably neoliberal. Who the hell are you to order him around on his own site? I can’t speak to why Robert chooses sarcasm when he does, but I know I do at times regarding this subject because it can be a natural reaction to having to deal with such claptrap day-in and day-out. Sarcasm is an occasional reaction to proud stupidity.

      I was “a liberal” for many years, and still am on many issues, but their softness on Islam, bloated sense of shame regarding the West and Europeans, refusal to ascribe agency to anyone who isn’t white as they do to whites (just try to find a university classroom discussing the horrors of the Arab slave trade) and all-to-often revoltingly smug attitudes (see Jon Stewart) aren’t consistent with a world I’d like to live in — and don’t bring to mind a state of nirvana like they’re so confident their views would lead to. Additionally, I endlessly see liberals expecting more of other than they do of themselves, which is a truly repugnant character defect. Just think of Al Gore telling everyone to take showers which are 4 minutes or less or whatever he said and look at his castle. I like watching Bill Maher’s show, minus some of the self-righteousness, but what the heck is his carbon footprint? Why wouldn’t Obama acknowledge the Anti-Semitic reality of the Charlie Hebdo attacks? Why does Jeh Johnson speak of “the plight of Muslims in America” when their coming here is undoubtedly an opportunity for them likely bordering on miraculous considering where they came from? As you can see, you’ve touched a nerve. I only hope that doesn’t give you joy.

      • particolor says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 7:56 pm

        Now go and stand in the corner until recess !! 🙂

  12. celtic warriarcanada says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    PURE HYPOCRISY : these pedophile rapists, who look forward to an eternity of rape and sodomy in so called Paradise imagine that throwing homosexuals off of buildings pleases God . ALMOST AS Hypocritical as a PERSON WHO SINGS ” AMAZING GRACE” AT A FUNERAL , WHILE THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIANS AND YESIDES are brutally murdered and raped by the hands of A REGIME , which he refused to take seriously ,which in the end he aided and abetted and which could be defeated if truly confronted by U.S. Power and leadership which HE WILLFULLY REFUSES TO EXERCISE .

  13. Westman says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    This sick Circus has a limited lifespan.

    Won’t it be interesting when nanotechnology is so good there are literally “flies on the wall” identifying the miltant Imams and the ISIS executioners? Can you imagine a scene where executioners go to push people off a building and suddenly the executioners die and the crowds run in terror? Or a lethal virus is sent that only turns on for a unique person’s, think Baghdadi, genome?

    The ISIS murderers should keep in mind that, at some not too distant time, distance will not protect them.

    • Georg says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 3:19 pm

      Especially as they double down on willful ignorance and being luddites. As it is they must thieve products borne of the ingenuity they preach against in order to prolong their mighty caliphate. There will hopefully come some inflection point where going back and forth taking, losing, and retaking land will result in diminishing returns as machines and weaponry become harder and harder for them to come by. Anyone who sells them means of destruction has to be dealt with severely, so that no matter how much IS offers to pay, the potential seller sees it as too burdensome of a risk. The world just saw how spastic their reaction to the Peshmerga cutting off their supply routes from Turkey to Raqqa was. They’re unproductive, so as long as they aren’t in business with anyone productive the caliphate will be dying.

  14. qedlin says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 8:45 pm

    Gee, looks like everyone is celebrating…feel the love…

  15. Mark A says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    Sickness indeed. Let’s hope we never have to deal with this sickness in Western countries, although it seems increasingly likely that we will have to.

    Two comments:on the article:

    First, the Mirror article mentions”….the day the historic legislation of same-sex marriage was passed in the US……” What happened in the US wasn’t legislation; legislation is passed legislatures or legislative bodies. The “same-sex marriage” decision in the US that day was judge made law, made by the judicial branch, specifically five unelected Supreme Court judges with strong dissents from the other four unelected judges on the US Supreme Court, including the Chief Justice.

    Second, many supporters of “same-sex marriage” also support jihadis and Islamists who have no qualms about doing this kind of thing to gays and others who may enter into same-sex marriages. I understand the political imperatives that lead them to this seemingly improbable alliance (David Horowitz has explained the politics of this very well many times over the years) but I never cease to be amazed by their shortsightedness.

    Saul Alinsky – the mentor of both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton – is reputed to have paraphrased Lenin by saying that he could get financial support for his revolution on a Friday from capitalists, who would then happily sell him rope on a Saturday which he would use to hang them on a Sunday.

    Alinsky’s logic seems to be evident among supporters of same-sex marriage who ally with Islamists who would happily throw them off buildings if the Islamists ever came to power. Very interesting…………..

    • Stardusty Psyche says

      Jun 28, 2015 at 10:04 pm

      Hi Mark A,
      “Second, many supporters of “same-sex marriage” also support jihadis”
      Can you name some?

      You mean in the USA? People who are both for same-sex marriage and for jihad?

      Or are they somehow against jihad but support jihadis?

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 28, 2015 at 10:21 pm

        To Stardust, this kind of gruesome datum merely reinforces his TMOE (Tiny Minority of Extremists) meme — which is supposed to have a two-part effect:

        1) damn those dastardly non-Islamic extremists, let’s do something robust about this non-Islamic problem

        2) let’s simultaneously remember to protect the vast majority of Muslims Who Just Wanna Have a Sandwich who couldn’t possibly have anything remotely in common with the ISIS worldview (not to mention with the veritable Hydra-head of other extremist Islamist tendrils and tentacles that have been networking for decades around the world and in the West) from the evil white Western bigots whom we can spot by their thought crimes expressed in various phrases we have Orwellianly (and circularly) tagged as such.

        Oh and:

        3) Let’s continue to ignore the mountains of data and oceans of dots screaming to be connected with a “mental pencil” (as Hugh Fitzgerald has put it) all indicating that 1 and 2 are grievously naive and disinformed camelshit.

        • Stardusty Psyche says

          Jun 28, 2015 at 10:31 pm

          Hi Vogie,

          “Hi Mark A,
          “Second, many supporters of “same-sex marriage” also support jihadis”
          Can you name some?”

          Vogie baby, what are you even trying to say? I mean, I am sure the problem is that you are a very advanced being and I am just a dumb little ObamaBot, so do a bot a favor and dumb it down to my level, OK?

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 28, 2015 at 11:40 pm

        I wasn’t responding to the Mark A. stuff, I just tried to find a place where Stardust was situated on the page and hit Reply to make a general point about the title story of this thread here. But I have a hunch that even had that been clearer to Stardusty, he wouldn’t have responded any less sophistically.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 12:22 am

        “Second, many supporters of “same-sex marriage” also support jihadis”
        Can you name some? You mean in the USA? People who are both for same-sex marriage and for jihad?” You find this extraordinary? It’s unthinkable to you that some on the left support jihad and jihadis? I’ll give you one, Lynne Stewart. There I gave you one.

        Now I know of no statements from Lynne Stewart on same-sex marriage but it’s safe to assume most on the liberal-left support gay rights and same-sex marriage based on polling data if not personal experience of them. You disagree? I think it’s a safe bet. Now why would someone for gay rights support gay-killing Muhammadans? Well, why would western feminists like Naomi Wolf sing the praises of hijabs and burqas? Because their politics trumps everything else.

        Lynne Stewart was a radical “human rights” attorney who represented Black Panthers and the Weather Underground, called herself a Maoist, and said she favored “directed violence” “directed at the institutions which perpetuate capitalism, racism and sexism.” So, you “get” her leftist bona fides. In 1995 she became the lawyer for the Blind Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, on trial for conspiracy to wage a “war of urban terrorism” on the United States and of course he orchestrated the first World Trade Center bombing. According to Time Magazine “as Stewart got to know her new client, she came to see him as a fighter for national liberation on behalf of a people oppressed by dictatorship and American imperialism. She came to admire him personally too, for his honesty, his strength of character, his teasing humor. ‘” You see how her politics trumped everything? “His teasing humor”…that’s rich. Rahman missed a career in comedy.

        When the Blind Sheikh was put in prison for life what did Lynne Stewart do? She helped smuggle his fatwas and messages to the outside world. Why does that matter, Professor?
        One was to the jihadis he led in Egypt (who had assassinated Sadat on his orders) The Islamic Group (Gamaa Islamiya) to let them know the truce with Egypt was over. Ever heard of the Luxor Massacre? It began as a plot to take hostages to secure the release of their Blind Sheikh. It ended in the slaughter of 62 tourists. The operation was financed by Osama Bin Laden. What else did Lynne Stewart smuggle out? The fatwa Abdel Rahman wrote in prison which, according to Bin Laden, green lighted 9/11. The call to “extract the most violent revenge…tear them to pieces, destroy their economies, burn their corporations, destroy their peace…kill them wherever you find them (Americans)…ambush them, take them hostage…kill them in the sea, on land and in the air.” No teasing humor.

        You see the Blind Sheikh was a Very Important Person. Prior to 9/11 every Al Qaeda threat included the demand to release Abdel-Rahman. Now do you see how leftist Lynne Stewart supported jihadis? Shall we ask her how she feels about same-sex marriage?

        • Stardusty Psyche says

          Jun 29, 2015 at 12:54 am

          Hi Jack Diamond,
          That is some very interesting information about Lynne Stewart but I am not sure it fits “many”.

          How many people do you think truly actively support jihadis, yet are opposed to the very things jihadis are fighting for?

          Well, I suppose there are a lot foolish people in this world but I think the idea that “many” supporters of gay marriage actively supporting jihadis is a stretch

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jun 29, 2015 at 1:39 am

          slight correction. Rahman was passing notes to the IG but the one specifically to end the ceasefire came after the Luxor Massacre. The killers calling card at Luxor (stuffed in a dead body) was signed “Omar Abdel Rahman’s Squadron of Devastation & Destruction.”
          Lynne Stewart’s website shows her attending a benefit for LGBTQ people, if that’s a clue.

        • kay says

          Jun 29, 2015 at 4:44 am

          Here’s the story on Lynne Stewart. She is evil. Democracy Now! got it all wrong and thus supported the bloodthirsty jihadi cause by claiming this was merely a human rights case and L. Stewart the victim. Obviously not. Democracy Now! has lost all credibility. They are demonstrably with the psychopathic bad guys and traitorous lawyers who secretly pass on jihadi command messages. Read it and weep!. I will hammer on Democracy Now! and scourge them in the social media. In front of their supporters.

          Marxist revolutionary / convicted jihad operative Lynne Stewart

          Lynne Stewart, Jihadi Lawyer by Sharon Chadha
          Middle East Quarterly Winter 2006, pp. 59-65
          http://www.meforum.org/887/lynne-stewart-jihadi-lawyer

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Stewart

          http://www.democracynow.org/2014/1/2/exclusive_dying_lawyer_lynne_stewarts_jubilant

          The following:
          http://www.democracynow.org/2015/6/25/does_us_ignore_right_wing_terror
          totally ignores the fact that numerous Muslims in the US send money overseas to jihadi causes, e.g. Somalia. So quite a few Muslim Americans particpate directly in bloody jihad.

        • kay says

          Jun 29, 2015 at 5:17 am

          Here’s the story on Lynne Stewart. Democracy Now! got it all wrong and thus supported the bloodthirsty jihadi cause by claiming this was merely a human rights case. They are cheering on the convicted traitorous lawyers who pass on jihadi command messages.

          Marxist revolutionary / convicted jihad operative

          Lynne Stewart, Jihadi Lawyer by Sharon Chadha
          Middle East Quarterly Winter 2006, pp. 59-65
          http://www.meforum.org/887/lynne-stewart-jihadi-lawyer

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Stewart

          http://www.democracynow.org/2014/1/2/exclusive_dying_lawyer_lynne_stewarts_jubilant

          The following:
          http://www.democracynow.org/2015/6/25/does_us_ignore_right_wing_terror
          totally ignores the fact that numerous Muslims in the US send money overseas to jihadi causes, e.g. Somalia. So quite a few Muslim Americans participate in bloody jihad.

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 29, 2015 at 6:16 pm

          Stardusty has Jack Diamond snagged on a merry red herring run, exploiting the word “jihadis”, thus effectively distracting from the more important problem — the much broader, amorphous, udelimitable demographic of the ocean of Muslims whence the myriad networks of jihadis pullulate; and in which they swim.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jun 29, 2015 at 8:16 pm

          I thought there was something fishy about SP. Probably working for scale. Lynne Stewart is definitely a “red herring” but an instructional (albeit odd) specimen. As for the ocean of Muslims, to taste the sea all you need is one gulp, as T.S. Eliot never said Jihad is an obligation on all the Ummah.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 15, 2015 at 6:11 pm

          Jack, “Stardusty Psyche” finally got himself banned on this thread:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/islamic-state-blows-up-baby-in-explosives-training-demonstration

        • Angemon says

          Jul 15, 2015 at 6:23 pm

          And then he came back and got banned again. Such is the fate of pathological liars.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jul 15, 2015 at 6:54 pm

          Thanks graven, I saw that. I’d resolved not to interact with Mr. Jabberwocky after the
          “Saudi Prince pledges $32 billion” thread. The one Robert Spencer responded to him:
          “Why don’t YOU name a single mainstream media journalist who tells the truth about the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat. Then we’ll see.” See how he handled that one.

          good riddance.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 9:04 am

        SP. You asked him to name some. I named someone. I’m sure I could name another someone.
        Perhaps there are not “many”, although Lynne Stewart seems to be a heroic “political prisoner” to a lot of people, in which case there might be many after all….then there is the matter of what Robert Spencer depicted in his comment.

        • Stardusty Psyche says

          Jul 2, 2015 at 12:01 am

          Hi Jack Diamond,
          Thanks to you and kay for the info about Lynne Stewart.

          She seems to me to be a criminal/crooked lawyer/sellout.

          It appears she will do and say just about anything for a price, so, I think citing her is off the point of my question:

          SP-““Hi Mark A,
          “Second, many supporters of “same-sex marriage” also support jihadis”
          Can you name some?””

          No, I don’t think “many” supporters of same-sex marriage also support jihadis.

          Sure there are people who will sell out even their own family, but I think citing criminals in that context is really beside the point.

          Criminals are supporters of their own selfish, profiteering, destructive goals and little else..

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jul 2, 2015 at 1:05 am

          Supporting “jihadis” would probably make you a criminal by definition, bright boy,
          so citing criminals in this context would be the point.

          Lynne Stewart was a criminal…. for supporting a jihadi. She did not support a jihadi
          for selfish, profiteering reasons either, nor is she so popular on the Left for having been a “political prisoner” because she acted for selfish, profiteering reasons.

          So citing her is exactly the point of your question, such as it is.

        • Stardusty Psyche says

          Jul 2, 2015 at 8:32 am

          Hi Jack Diamond,
          “Supporting “jihadis” would probably make you a criminal by definition, bright boy,”
          Only if it is material support that is a specific violation of law. A person who “supports” gay marriage, Palestinian independence, cartoonist murderers, or many others on a variety of issues is generally simply a person who favors those positions and actions.

          A large number of Muslims “support” the murder of cartoonists and a whole variety of violent acts carried out by jihadis. That doesn’t make those Muslims criminals unless their “support” extends to an actual violation of law, for example by giving financial aid to assist in carrying out jihad.

          So, I do appreciate yet another recognition of how very bright I am!

          “She did not support a jihadi for selfish, profiteering reasons either,”
          How do you know that? She was a practicing lawyer. The jihadi was her client. Do you know for a fact she did not get paid directly or indirectly for her actions? Do you know for fact the notoriety she gained in representing a high profile client did not benefit her financially?

          Lawyers can make a lot of money representing high profile dirtbags, either directly or indirectly.

  16. Topshot says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    So why haven’t US gays defended their brethren in Muslim lands? What have US Christians done to help Christians persecuted in Muslim lands? Yep: Nada. Zilch. Because ultimately Americans only want what is good for themselves. The rest is just not their problem even though they may feel bad about it. We are a self-centered and narcissistic culture and it’s not just about gays, it’s an attitude of Me First that is pervasive in nearly every aspect of American life.

    • Stardusty Psyche says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 12:11 am

      Hi Topshot,
      Indeed, and why aren’t more feminists screaming bloody murder about the most misogynistic ideology on Earth and the hundreds of millions of women suffering under it?

      And why aren’t more liberals condemning the most illiberal doctrine on Earth?

      Well, a few of us are, Bill Maher, Sam Harris are a couple of my favorites…they are a little busy to post here so I do my best to represent..

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 13, 2015 at 1:54 am

        The idea that the appalling apologist for evil “Stardusty Psyche’s” purpose here is to condemn Islam could scarcely be more grotesque.

    • duh_swami says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 4:48 am

      What have US Christians done to help Christians persecuted in Muslim lands?

      It’s not in their power to ‘do’ anything but be concerned and complain to deaf politicians…What have you done about it?
      ..

  17. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    Cynics say that pigs can’t fly. Yet here we see that the New Caliphs can make homosexuals fly. Now you watch, the human male homosexuals won’t pussy out like their brethren (insinuation intended) in the feminist community. There will be angry homosexual intellectuals denouncing Islam in the NYT, WaPo, and LA Times. Maybe even Anderson Cooper will go all indignant right there on the TV set.

    You can push a victim group only so far, and then…

  18. Agent of Liberty says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    “Second many supporters of same sex marriage also support jihadis and islamists” Please, Mark A, Can you name some people who support jihadis and islamists that support gay marriage. Your statement doesn’t make any sense.

    • duh_swami says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 4:54 am

      Agent…I can’t name any but I know where they live…Comments sections on web and news sites.

      • Agent of Liberty says

        Jun 29, 2015 at 11:09 am

        “You know where they live” Where are they???? Addresses???

        • agent of Liberty says

          Jun 29, 2015 at 11:11 am

          Oh I know, The Whiyehouse!

  19. Arthur says

    Jun 28, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    Where is Kamala Khan when you need her? She was so quick to fight the AFDI ads in San Francisco, winning public admiration there. Surely her superpowers could have been used to save these 4 men from IS homophobia? This is her home turf, after all!

    • kay says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 5:04 am

      Just found the reference:
      http://toybox.io9.com/islamaphobic-bus-ads-in-san-francisco-are-being-defaced-1681857271

      Islamophobic Bus Ads In San Francisco Are Being Defaced With Kamala Khan
      1/26/15

    • Georg says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 7:34 am

      For too many of Muslims it’s ethnicity>everything (which of course includes gay rights).

  20. Georg says

    Jun 29, 2015 at 6:06 am

    I’m sure lots of Muslims were celebrating the news of the Supreme Court decision alongside United Against Fascism. Right? Is that what happened? I can’t find any pictures of them holding hands at the celebration.

  21. duh_swami says

    Jun 29, 2015 at 6:28 am

    The SCOTUS slandered Mahound. It may take a while for that to sink in before ‘provocation’ starts, but ISIS seems to understand it…

  22. TJ says

    Jun 29, 2015 at 2:10 pm

    I am not a supporter of homosexuality. I know they are attacked in the Bible since they are viewed as a group of people which produce an unusually high amount of support for the killing of little ones. The recent gay marriage decision just reinforces the biblical view, since the the five pro-abortion judges voted to uplift homosexuality while the four anti-abortion judges wished to diminish it. Jesus attempted to recruit people who were committing sexual offenses which produce momentum for the killing of little ones and get them to change their behavior. He put it up to God alone to physically remove them in a miraculous judgment. This important action by Jesus in the area of death sentences was thrown out by the Qu’ran. In its place is a meaningless quote attributed to Jesus when He was a baby. The Qu’ran goes on to say homosexuality is perverse and endorses death by apostasy thus setting homosexuals up for a death by apostasy charge. The fact that the Qu’ran treats someone in this way they claim is a prophet is evidence the Bible should reign over the Qu’ran in this country.

    • El Diablo Azur says

      Jun 29, 2015 at 5:42 pm

      WTF kind of bigoted word-salad is this? Let me tell you something. I am a gay man, a liberal and an unabashed secular humanist. I don’t give a flying f*ck what the koran says about my sexual orientation, or anything else , for that matter. In all my years I have never encountered a belief system as depraved as Islam, including Naziism (which it has more than s slight resemblance to). I strongly believe in the values of the Enlightenment, which is more than I can say for some people I can think of.

      • TJ says

        Jun 30, 2015 at 2:52 pm

        I was creating a defense against the killing of other homosexuals than you by ISIS. You are so
        into yourself you attack it. It doesn’t surprise though, you only prove my point when you get enraged when I should more care for dead little ones then you do.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 13, 2015 at 2:14 am

      TJ wrote:

      I am not a supporter of homosexuality. I know they are attacked in the Bible since they are viewed as a group of people which produce an unusually high amount of support for the killing of little ones…
      ………………………

      What utter rot. Back it up.

      Moreover, would TJ have us believe that pious Muslims are murdering gay people because they (supposedly) support the killing of little ones?

      The pious thugs of ISIS would be just as happy to throw TJ off a tall building, or behead him, and then enslave his daughters and sisters.

  23. gravenimage says

    Jun 30, 2015 at 1:04 am

    Many ISIS extremists online were seen to ironically use the hashtag #LoveWins
    …………………………..

    There is no love in Islam, of any kind.

    Damn savages.

    • Stardusty Psyche says

      Jun 30, 2015 at 6:57 am

      Hi graven,
      “There is no love in Islam, of any kind.”

      You really don’t know anything about Islam or Muslims other than your disgust for the violent aspects of Muhammadanism., do you?

      islam is full of love between Muslims, Muhammad, and Allah. They love each other. But Allah does not love the unbeliever.

      “Say, (O Muhammad, to mankind): If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
      http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=31

      “That He may reward out of His bounty those who believe and do good works. Lo! He loveth not the disbelievers (in His guidance).”
      http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=30&verse=45

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 30, 2015 at 2:06 pm

        To paraphrase Bill Clinton, it depends on what “Love” is. This in turn brings up the interesting question (not interesting because we don’t know the answer, but interesting in terms of illuminating the fascinatingly hideous nature of Islamic culture); to wit: Why did Islam never develop the kind of Love which Western civilization developed, a love that tends to transcend tribalism and thus tends toward universalism?

        Sophists, Satan and Communists seem most enamored of Orwellian wordplay, whereby a word is used disingenuously and deceptively professing the audience’s meaning, while hiding, like a knife under the cloak, so to speak, its opposite meaning.

        The verse thus which Stardusty so usefully supplied, Koran 3:31, is essentially defining Love as following a psychopathic mass murderer, brigand, child rapist, sex slaver, and megalomaniac fomenter of world war. Imagine someone defining Love by the standard of loving Der Führer, Herr Hitler. Would anyone take seriously the notion that this has anything to do with the symbolism & experience of Love as it has unfolded in Graeco-Roman/Judaeo-Christian civilization, other than by way of contrast and/or by way of the potential for deformation to which our imperfection is always vulnerable? Now once the reader has imagined my analogy, multiply it by a million, and you have the demonic formula revealed: Love of Muhammad = Hatred for God, Mankind, and Creation.

        To make it even starker: In Islamic terms, to love = to hate love.

        • gravenimage says

          Jul 13, 2015 at 7:33 pm

          All very true, Voeg—and you’re right about the wordplay, as well. Above, “Stardusty Psyche” questions the meaning of the word “grotesque”—hardly a rare or obscure word.

          He also regularly uses pejorative (but ridiculous) terms about himself such as “ObamaBot”, intending to give the impression that these insults have been used against himself here by other posters, where the only instances of their use I can find are when they are being used by SP himself.

          The point of this, of course, is to imply that his critics are using such absurd terms, and hence any criticism of him should be discounted.

          He uses words not to communicate in the usual sense, but just as a weapon of obfuscation.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 13, 2015 at 5:19 pm

        The repellent “Stardusty Psyche” wrote:

        Hi graven,
        “There is no love in Islam, of any kind.”

        You really don’t know anything about Islam or Muslims other than your disgust for the violent aspects of Muhammadanism., do you?
        ……………………………………….

        I know a great deal about Islam and Muslims—more than I ever would have wished, before it became clear the necessity of studying this foul creed and the history of its votaries at exhaustive length. It is a grim study.

        There is, in fact, little to Islam *besides* its violent aspects, which are an intrinsic part of the faith.

        More:

        islam is full of love between Muslims, Muhammad, and Allah. They love each other. But Allah does not love the unbeliever.

        “Say, (O Muhammad, to mankind): If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
        http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=31

        That He may reward out of His bounty those who believe and do good works. Lo! He loveth not the disbelievers (in His guidance).”
        http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=30&verse=45
        ……………………………………..

        The references to “mercy” in the Qur’an are instructive—they are often invoked just as the vicious “Allah” acts in a manner anything *but* merciful. Really,
        merciful” is used in Islamic texts to ward—that is, in an attempt to turn away the inscrutable wrath of that harsh deity. It is used in much the same way that superstitious European peasants referred to malevolent fairies as the “gentle folk”.

        And what is “love” in Islam? It bears little resemblance to love in Christianity or most other faiths.

        Most of the references to “love” in Islamic texts is in the negative—as in the following Qur’anic quote, what Allah “loveth not”. Then there are references to condemned love, such as man’s love of material things.

        These negative references—basically what Allah hates—considerably outweigh those meant in a positive sense.

        Then there are verses which warn Muslims not to love unbelievers. Then there is “love” for others which is actually jealousy.

        Then there is the threat that Allah will deliberately withhold his guidance from people whom pious Muslims love. Then there is the condemnation of those who love others besides Allah (this is especially aimed at Christians).

        Then there are references to “lovers of truth”, which just means those who slavishly follow Islam and the “Prophet”.

        In one instance “love” just means physical availability, as in Qur’an 56:37, which reads, “devoted and of equal age”. (“Devoted” is occasionally translated as “beloved”). This is a reference to the Houris, the sex slaves pious Muslims will have access to in “Paradise”.

        Even the passages that put “love” in a positive context are frequently troubling: Allah “loves” those who spend their material wealth on funding violent Jihad, for instance.

        And sometimes this “love” just means slavishly following the narrow strictures of Islam: In Qur’an 2:222, Allah “loves” those who refrain from having sex with women who are menstruating. In Qur’an 5:45, Allah “loves” those who refrain from eating what has been forbidden.

        One of the very few straightforward expressions of Allah’s love is the Sura cited by “Stardusty Psyche”, where Allah loves those who follow the sanguinary “Prophet”.

        And, most salient, is Qur’an 61:4:

        “Truly Allah loves [hubb] those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.”

        Again, Allah loves those who wage bloody Jihad.

        This fine article at “Answering Islam” parses the issue of love in the Qur’an admirably:

        http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/love.htm

        But the texts of Islam are not the only issue—there is how the application of this loveless creed plays out in the real world, and it is not pretty.

        In Islam the marriage contract—really, “Nikah”—is not between two partners in love, but between the would-be husband and the current “Mehram” (usually, but not always, the female’s father). It grants the husband lawful access to the female’s vagina.

        We see the results of this ugliness in forced marriage, child marriage, polygamy, summary divorce for men (the “Triple Talaq”), as well as wife beating (sacralized in the Qur’an) and “Honor Killings”.

        And this doesn’t even address the lawfulness of sex slaves in Islam, who have even fewer rights.

        If there is ever any love in a Muslim marriage, it is *despite* Islam, not because of it.

        And this lovelessness does not just extend to marriage, but to the treatment of children, as well. In the classic compendium of Sunni law, the Reliance of the Traveller”, it is noted that there is no penalty for a Muslim murdering his own children.

        And this still holds in the most devout parts of Dar-al-Islam. When a British-Saudi girl was kidnapped by her father and taken to Saudi Arabia, he often beat her and threatened to kill her. One day when he was away she managed to escape the house and run to a police station. Her fear had been that they would not believe a father capable of murdering his daughter, and hence would not take her seriously; instead, she found to her horror that there was no law against her father killing his daughter, and that he could murder her at any time.

        All of this shows the arid lovelessness of Islam. If “Stardusty Psyche” considers this love, then he is more far gone than even I had previously believed.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Jun 30, 2015 at 3:03 pm

      Another lecture on Islam from the “Professor.” “You really don’t know anything about Islam or Muslims.”
      This from a fellow who understands the Qur’an so well he made this reply to me:

      JD: {quoting Obama in Cairo} “the Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent is as — it is as if he has killed all mankind. And the Holy Koran also says whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind.” (American english or shariah language?)
      SP: That is a factual quote from the Meccan portion of the Qur;an, and an excellent choice for a common ground acknowledgement.

      Of course, Qur’an 5:32 is a Medinan surah but the Professor did not know that. Nor did was he aware of the actual meaning of either an innocent person (explained in 5:33) or that the meaning of “saving a person…is as if he has saved all mankind” does not refer to non-Muslims. Hardly an excellent choice for common ground.

      JD: Surah Five (Surat Al-Ma’idah) is a Medinan surah, the last in fact, after the infamous Surah Nine.
      The most revered Qur’anic commentator Ibn Kathir says about 5:32 (whoever slays a soul, UNLESS IT BE FOR MANSLAUGHTER OR FOR MISCHIEF IN THE LAND, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men) “Sa`id bin Jubayr said, “He who allows himself to shed THE BLOOD OF A MUSLIM, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who forbids shedding THE BLOOD OF ONE MUSLIM, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people.”

      Ibn Jurayj said that Al-A`raj said that Mujahid commented on the Ayah… “He who kills A BELIEVING SOUL intentionally, Allah makes the Fire of Hell his abode.”

      JD: They are not talking about the souls of non-Muslims.

      The Professor’s reply was not to admit a mistake, it was to say:
      SP: “How does reprinting a lot Islamic nonsense in any refute the points I made?”
      a curious comment from a scholar of the Qur’an. And this profundity:
      SP: “Reciting a list of stupid Muhammadan garbage is just smoke and mirrors.”

      He also mentioned he wasn’t familiar with Obama’s speech in Cairo, pretty strange for
      a self-proclaimed authority on both Obama and Islam and all things else:
      SP: “Please allow me to go to the Cairo speech. I was not aware of that speech so I will copy your quote and address some points in line.”

      I’m just scratching the surface here and I’m doing it because he has being so disrespectful to Graven, in particular, and to everyone in general. This is a “Professor” who didn’t even the know the meaning of “metastasizing” when I used it referring to the Islamic State.

      SP: “thank you for the word “metastasizing”. I somehow thought that meant “entrenched”, but it really means “spread”. My mistake.”

      At least here we see some rare humility and an admission of an error.

      As regards to this post, he got the enmity to the disbelievers right, but isn’t aware of Allah’s hate and enmity for hypocrites (bad Muslims) and apostates (really bad Muslims). This is a real problem for all those non-Muslim Muslims he believe in. There is a reason Muslims have been at each other’s throats since Muhammad burned down a mosque considered heretical, since the Ridda Wars, since one Caliph after another, despite being devout Muslims, were slaughtered like animals by other devout Muslims. Islam is a cannibal fest not a love in. Allah demands slaves not loving children.

      Allah does love something though, he loves the blood of disbelievers. For which there is a great reward.

      , thank you for the word “metastasizing”. I somehow thought that meant “entrenched”, but it really means “spread”. My mistake.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Jun 30, 2015 at 3:11 pm

        blech, I should proofread more closely before sending….

      • Stardusty Psyche says

        Jun 30, 2015 at 11:39 pm

        Hi Jack Diamond,
        “SP: “thank you for the word “metastasizing”. I somehow thought that meant “entrenched”, but it really means “spread”. My mistake.”

        JD-“At least here we see some rare humility and an admission of an error. ”
        The infrequency of my admissions to error is because I so infrequently make and error!

        But, If I got the Meccan/Medinan time frame wrong on that verse, that would count with another one of my extremely infrequent errors…I believe that brings the total to 2 substantial errors, though I have gotten the disjointed drivel of graven mixed up with the disjointed drivel of angemon in the past.

        But dang…hammering me with an admitted mistake repeatedly in a single post? Kinda harsh, I mean, ouuuuchhh!!!

        • Joseph says

          Jul 1, 2015 at 12:05 am

          @ Stardusty Psyche
          Since your admitting you don’t know some words, you can clarify one of your posts and what you meant.
          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/wife-of-france-jihad-killer-we-are-normal-muslims-we-do-ramadan#comments
          • Stardusty Psyche says
          June 28, 2015 at 2:46 am
          Brother Joseph
          “What is your qualifier?”,(I asked you this question)(and your reply was)
          Fundamentalist
          As in fundamentalist Muslim.(THIS LINE RIGHT HERE)
          The qualifier “fundamentalist” differentiates me from the religious bigots who post here at JW.
          So many posters here simply say “Muslim” lumping all Muslims together as is typical of a bigoted ignorant stupid ass, which so many posters here manifestly are.

          qual·i·fi·er (kwŏl′ə-fī′ər)
          n.
          1. One that qualifies, especially one that has or fulfills all appropriate qualifications, as for a position, office, or task.
          2. Grammar A word or phrase that qualifies, limits, or modifies the meaning of another word or phrase.

          fun·da·men·tal·ism (fŭn′də-mĕn′tl-ĭz′əm)
          n.
          1. A usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
          1. fundamentalist – of or relating to or tending toward fundamentalism
          __________________________________________________

          So in your own words you said you are a fundamentalist Muslim
          IS THIS TRUE OR FALSE

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jul 1, 2015 at 12:29 am

          The repeat at the end was accidental, as I said I wrote and sent too fast and I didn’t see it lingering at the end, a duplicate. That wasn’t intentional, but maybe you need hammering. You make a lot of errors in regards to Islam. I only mentioned one glaring one and only after you set yourself up as some kind of an authority. It’s not the mistakes alone, it’s the mistakes combined with your insulting dismissals of other (and often better-informed) opinions. That’s what rankles. And that’s no drivel.

        • Stardusty Psyche says

          Jul 1, 2015 at 1:31 am

          Brother Joseph,
          “So in your own words you said you are a fundamentalist Muslim
          IS THIS TRUE OR FALSE”

          False.

          Thank you for posting this meaning of the word “qualifier”
          2. Grammar A word or phrase that qualifies, limits, or modifies the meaning of another word or phrase.

          Thus “fundamentalist” qualifies, or limits my use of the word “Muslim”.

          “Fundamentalist” is “my” qualifier in the sense that I use the word “fundamentalist” to limit (qualify) my use of the word “Muslim”

          I have found that a significant number of posters here at JW do not use any such qualifier (limiter), rather, they just talk about “Muslims” or “Moozlems” as a single whole, making no apparent distinctions between the some 1.6 billion human beings who self identify as Muslim.

          One nitwit here even said a Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim…what to totally asinine and bigoted thing to say. Yet, I am apparently the only poster here who finds such stupidity to be worth challenging.

          So, brother Joseph, believe whatever you want. I don’t expect you or anybody else to take my word for who or what I say I am, rather, I argue on the merits. I have said many times I am an atheist, but I have no way to prove that to anybody which is why I don’t make an issue of personal representations about myself unless questioned about it.

          You can listen to people like Bill Maher and Sam Harris and judge for yourself if my statements seem generally in line with theirs, or not, I really don’t give a damn what you think about me.

          I do, however, make some efforts to address points put directly to me, so, there it is, you can believe it or not…whatever dude, and have a nice day.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 1, 2015 at 11:32 am

          Stardusty Psyche posted:

          “I have found that a significant number of posters here at JW do not use any such qualifier (limiter), rather, they just talk about “Muslims” or “Moozlems” as a single whole, making no apparent distinctions between the some 1.6 billion human beings who self identify as Muslim.”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/time-mag-muhammad-cartoons-make-muslims-feel-less-safe/comment-page-2#comment-1257358

          “Spencer is giving you, Kathy, and all the rest of the JW posters a lessen in sensitivity toward Muslims“

        • Joseph says

          Jul 1, 2015 at 11:34 am

          @ Stardusty Psyche

          I told you to stop calling me “brother” Your claim of being of the human race does NOT give you the right to call me brother.
          You demean the term to those that have that right, like my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Accept JESUS CHRIST as your savior and the you can use the term.
          You leftist liberals pull this type of shit all the time.

        • voegelinian says

          Jul 2, 2015 at 3:30 pm

          Does anyone else notice how Stardusty deftly ignores my comments, while responding quite responsively to nearly all his other detractors? I’ve seen it happen time and time again, over the span of dozens of comments threads now. One theory explaining that might be that he finds their commentary easier to exploit, as he may instinctively (but, of course, unwittingly) recognize the weak spots of their inherently asymptotic nougat he thinks he can exploit.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 2, 2015 at 4:03 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Does anyone else notice how Stardusty deftly ignores my comments, while responding quite responsively to nearly all his other detractors?”

          Lol!! You’re one to talk about ignoring comments, with your insider perspective!

          I’m quite certain that anyone following the conversation(s) can notice whom SP replies to or not, whether it’s you or someone else.

        • Stardusty Psyche says

          Jul 2, 2015 at 11:15 pm

          Hi Vogie,
          The reason is much simpler than all that.

          Most of your posts are garbled gibberish or a best a marginally intelligible mash up.

          If I have to struggle to decipher what you are even trying to say…why bother?

          The below was clearly written, although your theory is not the case, and your use of the word asymptotic has no value apparent to me.
          :
          “Does anyone else notice how Stardusty deftly ignores my comments, while responding quite responsively to nearly all his other detractors? I’ve seen it happen time and time again, over the span of dozens of comments threads now. One theory explaining that might be that he finds their commentary easier to exploit, as he may instinctively (but, of course, unwittingly) recognize the weak spots of their inherently asymptotic nougat he thinks he can exploit.”

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