Of course. Why should they? Just because they want to destroy us doesn’t mean that they won’t sit down and come to a mutually beneficial negotiated settlement with us, does it? Does it?
Of course. Why should they? Just because they want to destroy us doesn’t mean that they won’t sit down and come to a mutually beneficial negotiated settlement with us, does it? Does it?
Neil Jennison says
To be fair the Shites in Iran haven’t really got any chance of nuking the USA. In any case, it is Israel who is in their sights.
So would Obama care?
nacazo says
You’re incorrect. The Iranians do intend to use nukes against the USA. Tha’s what “Death to America” means.
spot on says
I agree. They have been chanting “Death to America” for over 30 years and their leaders are focused on making their wish come true. It is careless to ignore their death threats. That is like putting one’s head in the sand or someplace else where the sun don’t shine.
Don McKellar says
Never in a million years would they even attempt to use nukes against America. The reason is simple: it would mean their complete destruction and therefore negate their Islamic End Times scenario. That’s what they’re all about, so they are not going to sabotage themselves.
Their lunatic Islamic End Times Scenario ONLY involves creating chaos and war in the Middle East so that their big savior will jump out of the well he’s hiding in — the insanity is astonishing — and take control.
Those that doubt that, think on this: Obama isn’t going to keep on enabling their feeble bungling attempts at nuclear capability if he thought his own egomaniac self was in danger from a nuke attack, do you? No, not in a million years. I advise you to start learning from Obama’s actions and thinking about his warped psychology. You will start acting like clairvoyants with regards to his actions during his remaining time in office — and his plans for once he is gone, which are even grander.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Never in a million years would they even attempt to use nukes against America. The reason is simple: it would mean their complete destruction and therefore negate their Islamic End Times scenario. That’s what they’re all about, so they are not going to sabotage themselves.
This statement is informed compared to the vacuity of our elite decision makers, who don’t even consider the Twelfth Imam thing. But it’s only half-informed. Who’s to say that the Persians don’t have a plan to make a planned conflagration more than just them getting nuked off the map? They have expressed a desire to EMP America back into a subsistence farming economy, a doable plan that military and intelligence experts have reported could end up in the death of 90% of Americans. And there are other things they can do, in partnership with North Korea and the real powers that be in Pakistan. And that crazy nut Vladimir might join in, with some half-baked idea of screwing the Persians to help reestablish the Soviet Union. There’s plenty of opportunity for trouble. And Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei certainly believes the Twelfth can be enticed to rise from the well and make the End Times. We just paid them a $50 million signing bonus and they’re set to welcome a big influx of post-sanctions oil income. Which raises the question how are they most likely to invest that newfound capital? You’re being too rational, Don, which is a routine shortcoming when dealing with Moslems. Just look at what Sen. Paul has to say, and *he’s* one of the most informed and realistic of our political elite.
The EMP option is especially troubling, and relatively cheap and easy to pull off, as was pointed out by Ahmadenijad a few years back. Remember him from the hostage taking back in the late 70s? He was on TV every day, then somehow he shows up at the UN and it’s as if he didn’t lead the kidnapping.
If we can wipe slates clean, the Moslems can wipe them dirty. With blood.
Don McKellar says
Israel’s concern is absolutely justified. Concerns about America being nuked absolutely are not. Simply because it is not part of the established Islamic plan. Look, they have no original thinking of their own. Israel matters to them because it figures into the history of Islam under the fictional character of Muhammad. America does not in any way. Don’t make the mistake of giving them creative thinking ability! They have none. Islam takes that away from them by its nature. They only shout “Death to America” because it is a foil to point a finger at for the regime. Otherwise, they don’t give a damn. America is NOT a part of the Koran, the hadiths, or the Islamic End Times prophecy.
Don McKellar says
Also, don’t confuse Shi’ite End Times rationale with the Sunni jihadis like ISIS and Al Queda. Sunnis have no problem involving America or aiming to nuke America. They don’t have the same beliefs in End Times like the Shi’ites do. As you may or may not have noticed, Shi’ite jihad against America is restricted to stealth jihad rather than deadly terror attacks. Sept 11th was a Sunni attack, as have been all the rest. Shi’ites involve disinformation shitbags like Resa Aslan.
spot on says
No, not in a million years.
Don, With all due respect to you, this is the same academic argument that I have confronted many times. I have spoken with some of the leaders in academia on this very subject. They consider Iran to be rational as you apparently do. (We may not like Russia and China, but they are rational by every measure.)
To be confident Iran is rational and will never attack us with nukes requires that we trust the Iranians to want the same long life as we want. One of the precepts of their belief is “Armageddon” first and next their 12th Imam then comes out of the well. Paradise follows. Trusting them to define “Armageddon” your way so as to avoid nuclear conflict with the US requires a giant leap of faith.
Do you (or Iran) really believe that Israel will not launch their 200 – 400 nukes at Iran if Israel is attacked with Iranian nukes? A nuke attack from Israel would likely be more devastating than from us because Israel would probably select better targets. Iran has already said that they believe they can withstand a nuke attack from Israel and thrive. If attacked, their leaders would go underground, the 12th Imam would come out of the well, and paradise on earth would follow for them. This is their world and it is anything but rational. This is notwithstanding that fact that I know there are many rational people in Iran, however they have not had control for over 40 years.
According to military experts (and I have followed this very close with my own personal expertise for may years) the EMP effect from non accurate nukes would most likely permanently and irreparably end our country. The first Iranian satellite is now coincidentally in the exact orbit necessary for an EMP attack. Now all they need is a missile capable of lifting a nuke into orbit. The nuke doesn’t need to fall on a target. It is simply exploded while in orbit over the US for maximum EMP. Even NORAD is spending $Billions to move back under Cheyenne mountain for fear of EMP from Iranians and somehow you scoff at such a worry. After such attack, Obama could fly away in his personal EMP proof Air Force One to wherever until the dust settles, I really don’t know. Maybe he does not listen to our military (BTW, no other plane is EMP proof to my knowledge.) Obama would have no way to communicate to America or what is left of America for possibly years. Without satellites, financial systems, electricity, ipods, autos, computers, water, food, gas, etc. how could the vast majority of modern Americans live? America would be a perfect habitat for ME Muslims who still wipe their butts with their left hand. The special transformers and wires (plus the computers and satellites)) that EMP takes out are mostly not made in the US and take years to get. There are no spares.
spot on says
Yes, Israel is in their sights…..but we are too. If Iran masters missile technology that can carry a nuke to hit Israel, they then also possess the technology to orbit a nuke to detonate over the US. The EMP from the blast would burn transmission wires and the special high voltage transformers in our grid. We would likely lose power for years. These transformers are one of a kind, we have no spares, and they are only available in Europe and possibly Russia or China. How long could our population go without electricity? Our military is well aware of all this but Obama does not listen to our military.
BTW, Iran has already put a satellite in the exact needed orbit to accomplish this kind of attack on the US. They have already made their practice run.
Judi says
spot on – you are actually “spot on” with your comment. Watch this expert tell it like it is regarding an EMP strike:
Bamaguje says
“Shiites in Iran haven’t really got any chance of nuking the USA… it is Israel who is in their sights” – Neil Jennison.
Don’t be too sure about that. Why do you think Iran’s “death to America” Mullahs are developing ICBMs that can reach U.S.?
Even a dirty bomb can be smuggled through the porous southern U.S. border Obama refuses to secure.
Iran’s terror proxy, Hezbollah has already been caught infiltrating the Southern U.S. border… in collaboration with Mexican drug cartels:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/07/19/ray-walser-hezbollah-mexico-jamel-nasr-middle-east-mexico-tijuana.html
http://www.usbc.org/terrorism/hezbollah-is-working-with-mexican-drug-cartels-following-their-routes-into-u-s/
Israel is the “little Satan”, while America is the “great Satan”… in other words, America is the ultimate Mullah target.
spot on says
Iran doesn’t need to explode the nuke above a city in the US. They could simply put one in orbit over the US and explode it while in orbit. That would turn our light off and kill our communications semi-permanently.
They might also, as you said, bring a dirty bomb across the border. I have even heard they are thinking about loading a nuke on a truck to bring across the border. Our border security isn’t as good as Israel (to say the least).
For sure, whoever in Iran succeeds in nuking us would be their hero for life. They would dance in the streets for weeks. I am sure they would have a national holiday to celebrate any such event.
nacazo says
Good try but nah, that wouldn’t bring death to America. Nukes in American cities would bring death to America better.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Iran doesn’t need to explode the nuke above a city in the US. They could simply put one in orbit over the US and explode it while in orbit. That would turn our light off and kill our communications semi-permanently.
A few quibbles: they could fire a relatively short range missile into a high suborbit from a platform on a ship off the east coast and detonate an EMP warhead, which is nuclear but it’s about the electromagnetic pulse, not a hypersonic force blast wave like as with the Hiroshima and Nagasaki detonations. Any device covered by the EMP blast is rendered useless and would require complete rewiring. Talk of hardening our power grid is silly, because if it were hardened against EMP, as is being discussed now among our elites, it would be left standing to distribute power to a nation of devices rendered useless; HVAC systems, lighting systems, vehicles, farming equipment… everything that depends on electronics, which is pretty much everything. The Internet would be down for years, and all computers in this country rendered permanently useless. Meanwhile, there would be chaos throughout the country. With trucks, trains, planes, pipelines and everything else stopped, there would be no fuel or food supply. Estimates are that up to 90% of Americans would die of freezing, starvation and violence.
Notably, our negotiating partner the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei did *not* get on ex-President Ahmadenijad went through this very scenario before a hall of wildly cheering Persian college students.
Soon after the street fighting starts here, we will launch on Tehran. From there it’s anybody’s game. But one aspect is that a month so after Persia’s oil refineries are demolished, Communist China’s incoming oil supply will slow to a dribble, which is the reason they’re breaking international law and grabbing the Spratly Island area now. They’re deeply worried about the Supreme Leader going all Twelfth Imam on Israel and the U.S., and maybe EUrabia too. The Spratly Islands sit atop a fairly rich oil reserve.
spot on says
Nacazo,
Read ALP’s above information on EMP ten times until you know what you are talking about.
spot on says
Alarmed, You are right on the money. I might also add that NORAD is spending gobs of money right now renovating and moving back under Cheyenne Mountain due to their major concern about an Iran EMP attack. If NORAD is worried,we should be worried. I remember not too long ago NORAD was singing the praises of moving out into the sunshine. Imagine all the hundreds of pages of justification for moving back since they are reversing their course and going back to where they were, not very long ago. That alone should make anyone concerned.
Iran is only rational to those that believe in the 12th Imam. Academia’s old worn out argument that Iran is rational (like the Ruskies and Chinese) has been discredited by all the facts to the contrary. Arguments in favor of Iran being rational must use some of anti-Semite Jimmy Carter’s old logic.
It is pure lunacy to say that Israel is Iran’s only target and not the US “because we will annihilate Iran if they do”. How quaint is that. This is pure bunk and childish. Iran well knows what Israel will do to them if they nuke Israel and still they proceed (now with Obama’s help). Israel will nuke Iran back to the stone age with Israel’s entire arsenal of 200+ nukes if necessary. This is probably more than we would do.
Academia is stuck in stupid, I believe because of their PC-MC and hatred for Christians and Jews. They are not able to think logically where Israel (or Christians) are concerned. Iran’s very first ship launched missile test over 5 years ago was set to detonate at high altitude over the target simulating an EMP attack by ship. Recently, their very first satellite was launched into the exact orbit necessary to destroy the US with an EMP. They have made their practice runs. Coincidence? Now all they need is the nuke and the larger missile to carry the nuke into orbit, something their partner NK already has. This is BTW the same missile they need to hit Israel. Thanks to Obama, they now look like they are not very far from that goal. They are now doing exactly what they have been saying they will do for a long time and academia, MSM, and Obama say “not to worry”, “Iran is rational”. If they were rational, they would never attack Israel for fear of being nuked into the stone age. Their answer to that is they can withstand any nuke attack and survive. Is that rational behavior?
Wellington says
I would like to thank you, spot on, and APF for your powerful, insightful and disturbing posts about a possible EMP attack by Iran. While the bastards who run Iran MAY not be crazy enough to do something which would invite their own destruction, then again they might because, let’s face it, they’re religious cuckoos. With Russian and Chinese bastards, at least you can count on one thing about them and that is that they’re not nuts. Thanks again to you both.
Phil says
Actually there was a recent Pentagon report which suggested that an Islamic entity (either Iran or some de facto but not de jure Pakistani agent of ISIS) could smuggle a nuke into America…
Admittedly the Dar al-Islam couldn’t defeat the US militarily – but with an Islamosymp POTUS they’re half-way to victory anyway.
spot on says
Neil Jennison said
To be fair the Shites in Iran haven’t really got any chance of nuking the USA. In any case, it is Israel who is in their sights.
Why doesn’t Iran have a chance to hit America? NORAD is spending $Billions because they think they can. It would be just as easy as hitting Israel. The same rocket that can hit Israel can be programmed to orbit and then hit the US with an EMP. They have already launched a smaller version missile with a satellite into the exact orbit needed to kill 90% of Americans with an EMP. Yes, we may annihilate Iran if they do that but Israel will do the same, with their 200-400 nukes if they are attacked. Where is your logic to your statement. Might you be engaging in wishful thinking or maybe you have been propagandized with the notion that Iran is rational like the Chinese or Russians. Rationality in Iran died when the first Ayatollah was brought to power and belief in the 12th Imam became the rule.
Angemon says
Of course they won’t – the goal here is to make sure Iran gets the nuke, not assess whether it should or not, nor what it will do with it.
KrazyKafir says
It’s like the United States is being governed by, children.
spot on says
Once Washington politicians get a taste of the big money (and willing women), they regress to childhood.
underbed cat says
What does it say? Iran’s Parliament chants “Death to America”….Parliament is government….so how can it not be a threat…a urgent concern, a problem..and the aftermath comment of “not helpful,” but won’t have impact on nuke talks”, deadly to the U.S.? Another distorted image? (questionable)
Iran will never allow inspections…that will be timely…if at all, and how many sites do they have…in other land location.
Pixies at it again?
underbed cat says
krazy kafir…it’s much worse than children, it is a elected person who prefers our enemy.
Linda Rivera says
Not governed by children. Governed by the Devil’s servants.
ICH says
Same in Canada with Trudeau. Liberal mindsights can be idiotic.
As if these guys will come into Canada or USA and hug gays,
lesbians, other religions etc etc.
They have one goal. WE ALL KNOW IT.
Im glad we have at least what , 200 people ( guessing-I hope
its 20 000 ) who agree with us all.
Lioness says
ICH, I think we have a lot of people that think like us, maybe not all are vocal. But we elected our great PM with majority, so possibly at least half the country is sane. I guess we shall find out in October whether that is still the case.
Champ says
It’s nutz how team obama minimizes iran’s “death to America” chants as if they’re no-big-deal and not a real threat …
Wow team obama is the enemy from within!
spot on says
Champ, By all measures, Obama appears to be on our enemy’s side. He and his cohorts are a fifth column.
Champ says
He and his cohorts are a fifth column.
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Indeed, Spot On!
Wellington says
Hi, Champ. As Dennis Prager has said, Obama is cruel to the kind and kind to the cruel. It’s a mark of the man. His dealings with Israel and Iran respectively are a good example of this, though many other examples exist, another one being his approach to the Czech Republic and Poland on the one hand and Russia under Putin on the other. Being of Polish descent myself, this functions as an extra reason to detest the man. I’m reminded here of a small sign I have located on a shelf in my library which reads, “In Poland, they tell Obama jokes.”
Hope you and yours are well, my friend. Take care.
Champ says
Hi, Wellington. Yes — Dennis Prager is right ..”obama is cruel to the kind and kind to the cruel.” Good one. And obama will leave nothing but a legacy of lawlessness for the American people and the world. Take care, my dear friend! 🙂
rulierose says
Iran: “Death to America!”
Obama: “Aw, we don’t really need to inspect your nuclear facilities. we believe you.”
Israel: “Because of the situation in the Middle East right now there will not be a Palestinian state in the foreseeable future.”
Obama: “That’s it! I’ve had it with your hateful talk. no more fronting for you anti-Arab Zionist SOBs. you’re on your own at the UN.”
spot on says
Hi Champ,
All the comments from everyone have improved so much over the years. Haven’t seen you much lately and it is always great to see your comments. Sometimes I am pressed for time so much that I don’t have sufficient time to comment the way I would like or even at all.
Good to hear from you, dear friend.
Champ says
Hi, Spot On! Thank you! Yeah life keeps me busy, too, so I comment when I can. And I always enjoy your great contributions! Take care, my dear friend! 🙂
nacazo says
Hitler’s slogans of “Death to Jews” were metaphorical, right???
Georg says
It was only the result of a history of oppression and the Jews’ Hitlerphobia.
Linde Barrera says
I would ask this “spokesman” 3 things. 1. How did you get your job? 2. Does your job give you any leeway to think and speak from your own thoughts? 3. Is your IQ in the 80-90 range?
spot on says
Linde, I don’t think his I.Q. is high enough to answer your questions.
miriamrove says
Just like other PC leftists his IQ is is so far up his… it has not seen day light for ten years. M
Linde Barrera says
To Spot On and Mariam- Thank you! It is always a pleasure for me to get your funny comments whether in answer to me or another JW poster. Keep up the good work!
Gina says
Jesus Christ said that satan was a murderer n the father of lies
Edward says
AMERICA HOME OF THE PROUD AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE
circa: 1776 – 2008
AMERICA HOME OF THE DISHORNABLE AND THE HOME OF THE COWARDLY 2009 – ?
IF anybody wishes ‘DEATH TO AMERICA’ again won’t be able to repeat it again.
They will find themselves ‘TONGUE TIED’
(They will overcome their malaise only by repenting)
Kepha says
Much as I recognize the usual diplomatic boilerplate, were I president, I would admit that it isn’t too hard for any country to get its hands on 1940’s technology. But I would also congratulate Iran on its having pulled a fast one; then remind them gently that we are putting a large number of allies under a nuclear umbrella–and we would also hold Iran responsible for what clients such as Hezbollah and Hamas do. If they protest that Hesbollah and Hamas are independent, I would urge them to find ways to control them better, unless they want to see nuclear waste where 20 or so Iranian cities and strategic sites once stood..
And I wonder how the Twelfth Imam would fare if a nuke went down his well in Mashad?
rulierose says
wait–so if it doesn’t “affect the talks,” how is it “not helpful”?
Georg says
Because it makes us look like idiotic douchebags who are buddying up with Nazis.
Linde Barrera says
To Wellington- I would not have guessed your family is from Polish descent! But I have always loved the Polish people and their steadfast love and loyalty to civility and Jesus Christ. AND I never laughed if somebody told me a “Polish joke”. Also, I am so thankful that Poland is taking in several dozen Christian families from Syria. I did some reading and calling yesterday and learned that the Embassy of the Czech Republic has within it a “US Interests Section” and that is the place where Syrians can go to apply to emigrate to the USA! At least this was my understanding from “Nolisha” at the VISA Dept of the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration in Washington. Now what isn’t clear to me is this Embassy of the Czech Republic a real entity in Syria, or a website? Nolisha wasn’t sure! I welcome any brilliant attempt to get clarification. Take care Wellington.
Baucent says
Can Kirby actually believe the garbage he speaks in defense of an incompetent administration? Perhaps he does. If he had any self respect he would resign.
Linda Rivera says
Obama Administration says Iran’s chants of “Death to America” are “not helpful,” but won’t have impact on nuke talks.
The hearts of the Obama regime are filled with satanic darkness. Resulting in the administration finding nothing wrong with Muslims chanting “Death to America”.
They serve the same dark death god as Islam who also seeks America’s total destruction. And mass genocide of her non-Muslim people.
David Lewenz says
The Islamic Nazi gang in Iran, will attempt to wipe America Clean off the face of the earth. Our insane President has allowed Iran to build a nuclear weapon and have the capability to deliver it by 2016. The only way to deal with Iran is to give them 36 hours to clean out all personal from the nuclear facilities and Bomb the hell out of them. And that is the rest of the story.