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University of California-Berkeley student’s article about why she left Islam pulled from school paper over fears for her safety

Jun 12, 2015 8:33 am By Robert Spencer

TruthNewHateSpeechI saw the piece when it first went up in the Berkeley student newspaper, marveled that it was published at all in such a place, and had planned to post an excerpt at Jihad Watch, but it was gone before I got a chance. Now we know why: there are concerns for the safety of the student who wrote it, and such concerns are entirely reasonable, given the fact (however often denied by dishonest Islamic apologists in the U.S.) of Islam’s death penalty for apostasy. The article was also noteworthy for the author’s frank admission that “yes, Islam does allow men to have four wives and sex slaves” — truths also often denied by Western Islamic apologists. In any case, “free speech” Berkeley ought to be in an uproar over the fact that this student is under threat, and the student paper ought to be filled with avowals of her human rights and declarations of how she must and will be protected. However, Berkeley ain’t what it used to be, if it ever was.

Terrorism Works, part 924,103: “Student’s Anti-Islam Article Retracted Due To ‘Safety’ Risk,” by Austin Petersen, Libertarian Republic, June 8, 2015:

An opinion piece written by a student at the University of California-Berkeley explaining her decision to leave Islam has been pulled from the school newspaper’s website over fears for the author’s safety.

The opinion piece, titled “On Leaving Islam,” recounted the personal story of the narrator (whose name we will withold) growing up a devout (though moderate) Muslim in Pakistan, but later abandoning the faith as she learned more about the world.

“If someone had told me six years ago that I would leave Islam and end up an atheist, I would never have believed him,” the author writes to open the piece. “But now, as a Muslim apostate and atheist, my journey couldn’t have led me any further from what I once knew to be true.”

According to the author, her departure from the faith was driven substantially by her inability to reconcile it with her increasingly liberal personal beliefs.

“I never accepted the male superiority and traditional gender roles that were part of my society,” she says. “For most of my teen years, I felt torn apart by my contradictory beliefs. On one hand, I was a radical feminist who supported gay rights. But on the other hand, I was a practicing Muslim whose religion was clearly homophobic and placed men above women.”

The author made several attempts to find a way to couple Islam with her personal beliefs, but ultimately it was not to be.

“After trying to understand Islam through a plurality of perspectives — orthodox, feminist, Sufi and liberal approaches — I decided to leave Islam, but by that point, I had realized that I didn’t need to look at things as black and white. I could leave Islam without dismissing it or labeling it as wrong,” the author said.

While the author’s rejection of Islam is in far less harsh terms than those used by other apostates, such as Ayaan Hirsh [sic] Ali, her willingness to state her beliefs has apparently still exposed her to a backlash. A few days after the article was posted, it was taken down and replaced by a note from Californian editor-in-chief Kimberly Veklerov that reads “This opinion blog has been retracted because of personal safety concerns.”

The precise nature of these safety concerns, and whether they arose in reaction to direct threats levied against the author, is not clear. The Daily Caller News Foundations reached out to both the author and Veklerov for further details, but only Veklerov replied and she declined to comment.

There is an element of irony that the author should be so imperiled by writing the article, because it has a moderate tone and offers substantial praise for the Muslim world.

“Islam is still extremely misrepresented and shrouded with stereotypes,” the author writes. “I want to address these stereotypes and portray Islam in all its diversity. I’ve experienced the religion firsthand and have also viewed it as an objective bystander… I want to share what I’ve learned about Islam over the years. I plan to defend it and give credit where it’s due — Islam, after all, gave women the right to work and own property back in the seventh century — and I also plan to ruthlessly point out areas that need reform (yes, Islam does allow men to have four wives and sex slaves).”…

The full text of the article, without the author’s name, can be read here.

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  1. mortimer says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 8:44 am

    The decision of the University of California-Berkeley is an ADMISSION that Sharia law mandates that apostates should be murdered and that any private Muslim may do so acting as a vigilante.

    They have confirmed by this action the truth that most cultural Marxists deny publicly: that Islam is a dangerous Death Cult.

    • t. says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 10:13 am

      It’s absolutely true that Islam is a culture of death. Unfortunately many people, here in the west, reading this statement will see it as a another Islamophobic bigot’s comment.

      I know this religion literally, inside out, for over 30 years now. I say to all those willfully and unwillfully ignorant people in the west the following: If you really care about the future of your children, grand children and humanity as a whole, get off your buts, take some of the time you spend on tv every week, leisurely activities or the pursuit of any other luxurious pleasures and spend this time on learning more about the true nature of Islam, Quran’s teachings, Hadiths and above all its history- how it was spread in the early days and how it’s the common denominator for many cultural and social norms and traditions, from Morocco going east, through Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan to Indonesia, in the west; from Chechnya, going south, through Turkey, Bosnia, Syria, Saudi arabia, Yemen to Somalia and Nigeria, in the south, and all other majority Muslim countries and territories in between.

      There is a wealth of information about Islam on the internet. Many sites blog the whole Quran or parts of, Hadiths, Sunnah, contemporary news about important developments in Muslim countries, including this site, http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/, answeringmuslims.com, among many others.

      There is no excuse!

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 2:23 pm

        “Unfortunately many people, here in the west, reading this statement will see it as a another Islamophobic bigot’s comment.”

        Yes — even after the author of the letter praises Islam and the Muslim world, the PC MC mainstream will still see her as an Islamophobic bigot. Which is why I say the PC MC needs to stop worrying anxiously about whether PC MC mainstream will like us or not as we carefully modulate and parse our rhetoric to please them. Since it has been evident for years that the name of the game is “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t” it becomes ludicrous for the Counter-Jihad to keep “doing” what the PC MC mainstream expects.

        Who in the anti-Islam movement (other than civilians like me with no fame, little money, virtually o resources, and no recognition) is forthright enough to say “I am anti-Islam and I am against all Muslims: Islam is the problem, and all Muslims enable it.” ? Either they are worried about what the PC MC mainstream will think, or they actually disagree with those words. There is no third option I can think of. But the first option, to get back to my original point, evaporates when we realize that even people like the author of this letter, who praise Islam and the Muslim world — would still be treated little different from an “Islamophobe” (and further up the asymptotic food chain, we have Daniel Pipes, who goes to great pains to say that he is in fact supportive of the vast majority of Muslims and believes they are good, decent and intelligent enuogh to reform their own Islam and wrest it away from the Almost Tiny Minority of Extremists).

        • Angemon says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 3:09 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “(other than civilians like me with … no recognition”

          Not for lack of trying. Eaxctly how many years have you been deriding the CJ movement and its forefront figures, as if you could do their work better than them, and offering your opinions as the alternatives? Heck, even muhammad got around 150 converts after preaching for 13 years.

          “Either they are worried about what the PC MC mainstream will think, or they actually disagree with those words. There is no third option I can think of.”

          Thinking was never your forte, voeg. That’s why you’re here mixing a false dichotomy with a false dilemma – both of which are logical fallacies.

          “ But the first option, to get back to my original point, evaporates when we realize that even people like the author of this letter, who praise Islam and the Muslim world — would still be treated little different from an “Islamophobe””

          No, what evaporates is your “logic” since you’re assuming she’s pussyfooting around the bush because she’s afraid of the public reaction. You automatically discard the possibility that she truly believes what she wrote and assume she’s not telling “F islam and F all muslims, I’m glad I’m out” due to fear of being labeled an “islamophobe”.

          This may come as a shock to you, voeg, but there are people who don’t base their actions on the perceived reaction of the general public.

        • quotha raven says

          Jun 13, 2015 at 4:31 pm

          to Voegelinian –

          ” There is no third option I can think of. ”

          Far be it from me to avert my eyes, tap my toe, look the other way and remain silent when the beleaguered Voeg (rhymes with “rogue”, not with “hedge”…posts a comment.))))

          Helas, Voeg, I cannot myself see a third option logically. And I agree with your premise that every Muslim is a potential – or even a practicing – jihadist. I believe, though, that those whom PCMC adherents – what do they know? – like to call “moderates” keep quiet and invisible when it comes to discussing jihad and denouncing terrorism because they are sensible, aware and frightened of the punishment Islam imposes on apostates or dhimmi who criticize it.This does not make them laudable or likable, nor does it reduce the potential danger they could be to the West as the global caliphate plan advances.

          “But the first option, to get back to my original point, evaporates when we realize that even people like the author of this letter, who praise Islam and the Muslim world — would still be treated little different from an “Islamophobe”

          Point well taken. Carry on, Voeg! ))) Cheers! Quotha

        • quotha raven says

          Jun 13, 2015 at 4:49 pm

          “This may come as a shock to you, voeg, but there are people who don’t base their actions on the perceived reaction of the general public.”

          Angemon – Might I be so bold as to suggest that the Berkeley student, as well as many others who leave Islam, might, just MIGHT be intimidated and frightened of speaking negatively on the subject because to do so carries a death sentence?

          Ask Salmon Rushdie how he is enjoying his life today, some 25 (?) years after he published his incomprehensible (to me at the time it was published) “Satanic Verses”

          Always interested in your posts, which are characteristically “a cut above”. Cheers! Quotha.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 13, 2015 at 5:31 pm

          quotha raven posted:

          “Angemon – Might I be so bold as to suggest that the Berkeley student, as well as many others who leave Islam, might, just MIGHT be intimidated and frightened of speaking negatively on the subject because to do so carries a death sentence?”

          Of course you may, and I’d agree with you on that. That’s not, however, the same thing as fear of being labeled an “islamophobe” by the PC MC mainstream – it’s an alternative that falls outside of voeg’s false dichotomy.

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 5:41 pm

          quotha, if Angemon is correct in his implication that, for example, Robert Spencer’s refusal to condemn Islam (and to condemn all Muslims as enablers of Islam) is not because he’s afraid of what the PC MC mainstream will think of him — then what else are we to conclude but that Spencer really believes that Islam and Muslims should not be condemned (and, related to that, that Islamic reform is viably possible (as opposed to theroetically “possible” sure, but not gonna happen in a million years and, therefore, in practical terms, impossible)?

          Many years ago (approximately 2008), some bold Jihad Watch readers (they don’t seem to exist anymore, for some reason…) assertively but respectfully probed Spencer (when he was more wont to dive into the comments threads and mix it up with the hoi ochloi) on this problem:

          Part 1
          http://jihadswatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/robert-spencer-pussycat-or-lion-having_21.html

          Part 2
          http://jihadswatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/transcripts-part-2-jihad-watch-readers.html

        • Angemon says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 6:29 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Spencer really believes that Islam and Muslims should not be condemned”

          Can you say that with a straight face? Here, on Jihad Watch? After reading the tsunami of data available over ten years of Robert’s tireless work?

          You really lost all semblance of impartiality, haven’t you? You’re no longer trying to pretend to be fair and unbiased, you’re just throwing whatever crap you can conjure at Spencer, hoping something sticks and that you get some people on your side. Because that’s what this all means to you – the hubris of knowing you have people to whom you say “jump” and they ask “how high?”.

          First your jihad regarding Phoenix and now this. You’re absolutely disgusting, and it’s no wonder that you get no traction here.

          “when he was more wont to dive into the comments threads and mix it up with the hoi ochloi”

          Last time I checked, Mr. Spencer was, fortunately, a busy man – books to research and write, events to plan, site to update, plus quality time to spend with his family and friends, etc. But you expect him to be at your beck and call, you expect him to swoop in every time you decide to play “hit-and-run”. Also, wasn’t Mr. Spencer’s last “dive” on the comments section to tell you why you were wrong on your Phoenix jihad?

        • quotha raven says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 8:52 pm

          Voeg –

          “Hoi ochloi : kommounistikes athliotētes : diegema-mythistorema-pragmatikotes”

          I haven’t dragged out my 50 lb OED, so this is the best I could do on the web. As in:
          communist athletes: a practical, godlike myth. Never studied Greek, so I’m concluding that the Ochloi is the fancier set, standing atop and sticking their fingers into the eyes of the Polloi. …LOL …Non?

          I believe this discussion w/Robert Spencer began just as I first subscribed to JW, around 2008, so I was still finding my feet here and amongst the comments section. More recently, I find myself failing to understand the venom with which some otherwise fine commenters here attack you in defending Spencer’s wobbly position about “all versus some” Islamists.

          My position (dare I write it down?) is that all those who claim to be Muslims, i.e., those who subscribe to the tenets of the Qur’an and (by necessity) attendant sharia law are potential enemies of the West, freedom of the individual and specifically the USA. I’m worried about that word “potential”. I’m 50-50 about taking it out. Islam is a theocracy, not just a religion, and as such it is simply incompatible with the U.S. Constitution, and there is absolutely no way ANY Muslim can possibly declare allegiance to our Constitution and still be a Muslim. To me (admittedly not a scholar) it is clear and dead simple. I arrived at this conclusion after reading Spencer’s “Islam 101” on the recommendation of an Army intelligence friend of mine, and chunks of material from the Qur’an and hadiths. I’m going to devote some more time to reading and thinking about those early discussions you provided links to. Thanks!

          Cheers! quotha

        • Champ says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 6:13 pm

          **NEW LOW ALERT**

          Now ‘voeg’ is dredging up comments from his notorious “Jihad Watch Watch” archive?

          Wow!

        • Champ says

          Jun 15, 2015 at 1:44 am

          True, PJ; and ‘voeg’ has some nerve posting that other ..”blog” on Robert’s website! And yes, another banning is certainly in order.

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 15, 2015 at 2:55 pm

          Thanks quotha. I’d say that two particular factors — Islamic stealth deception, and their framework for violent conquest — pushes the issue beyond any concerns over parsing “potential” from actual, moderate from fanatics, harmless from dangerous, “lax” (or “ignorant of Islam”) from devout, etc. The two factors logically should force us to treat all Muslims equally, for the pragmatic exigency of protecting our society from a macro danger.

          If we could pinpoint which Muslims are going to kill us and which are going to be part of enabling that killing, and differentiate from them clear numbers of harmless Muslims, then maybe it would make sense to continue to think like the Softies do. Even Spencer himself has said numerous times that we have no reliable way to tell the difference between harmless and dangerous Muslims. The problem with Spencer’s analysis of the problem is that he’s not logically extrapolating from that, but insists on using rhetoric that implies a rejection of that unfortunate dilemma we are all in.

          As for the “venom” you have noticed (hard not to notice it, if one has been reading Jihad Watch comments over the years), I think it stems from a lot of peripheral factors, but perhaps one factor is at the core: being asymptotic, they experience an enormous internal tension between

          1) their growing awareness of the horror and terror of Muslims putting Islam into practice (by hook AND by crook)

          and

          2) their inability (for a variety of reasons, which I attempted to probe in my essay “Ethical Narcissism”) to condemn all Muslims qua Islam.

          One way they express their ongoing attempts at assuaging this psychological pressure that wracks them semi-consciously is by ratcheting up the anti-Islam and anti-jihadist braggadocio rhetoric — all the while ignoring the logical problem of hedging their bets about all Muslims. Along comes Voegy to poke and prod them, reminding them of what they are in daily Denial of, and I become fused in their minds with the extreme discomfort of the tension they are trying to suppress on a constant basis. They lash out at me as a projection of the enormous inner frustration they feel at being more or less haplessly helpless amid this growing, horrendous problem that their own society is not only doing nothing about, but also on top of that adding insult to injury by couching their impotence in terms of the (supposedly) superior moral values of liberalism.

          At this point in the analysis, the question becomes (as Dick Cavett has been fond of quoting William F. Buckley): why are they behaving this way at all? Why not simply eliminate one half of their inner turmoil — the half that insists on refusing, in myriad 100 flavors of Softy Ice Cream — and simply condemn all Muslims, thereby releasing all that psychological pressure? The only logical reason I can see for this is that they still retain in their hearts & minds vestiges of PC MC. Hence my term asymptotic, as a handy label to denote this (note to the devils of whom I am speaking: my “my” there refers to my use of the term, not to any original propietary claims I may be making on its Fitzgeraldian Patent).

        • quotha raven says

          Jun 15, 2015 at 7:54 pm

          Voeg –

          Yikes.Well, I follow your reasoning, and I hasten to add that while I’m rebellious, I was NEVER a hippie NOR was I ever a yuppie))) I just list towards contrarianism and have never been much of a joiner.

          Well, youse guys will just have to hash it out over this interesting subject of the origins of PCMC and the saintliness of loving diversity and how much rope (intellectually) we should give these Moozlims. As you know, I heaved a huge sigh of relief and delight when you first mentioned (and I first discovered) “ethical narcissism” and became slightly less obsessed with the “why?” of it all. That concept sure nails it for me, so I’ve been throwing the phrase around, especially when I find myself amongst “millennials” all over Portland, Oregon, LOL, where I live! Our governor is bi-sexual and you can’t get a remotely authentic bagel here. Too funny.

          All the best – I hope you don’t get banned from here. I’d miss your thoughts and how you express them, too, in long, run-on sentences, spiced with the occasional erudite or obscure word to challenge readers …just kidding. You write well, if somewhat snarkily. You’re definitely not speakin’ Esperanto here!))) Cheers! quotha

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 15, 2015 at 9:59 pm

          quotha,

          Why are you ignoring PJ’s egregiously abusive attacks on me? It’s bizarre and surreal for someone (like you who has been) approaching me in friendly terms to be, at the same time, blithely ignoring PJ’s venomous spittle & froth, and on top of that hobnobbing with him in bright & breezy fashion. .

        • Angemon says

          Jun 16, 2015 at 6:08 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “It’s bizarre and surreal”

          You know what’s bizarre and surreal? I mean, besides your thought process, which can turn a “the problem is with islam itself” into “the author avoided saying that the problem was with islam itself”. It’s your presence here. You’ve been banned several times, you lie, misrepresent, and make all sort of unwarranted and nonsensical attacks on contributors and commentators alike, as if you hate everyone here and can do Robert’s work, and Raymondos word, and Sennels’ work better than them, and you keep coming here, begging others to defend your indefensible actions.

        • quotha raven says

          Jun 16, 2015 at 9:22 am

          “Why are you ignoring PJ’s egregiously abusive attacks on me?”

          @ Voeg –

          Didn’t know what to say. Not my fight. I like Jihadski. It’s your verbal fisticuffs, and I don’t want to get caught in the middle. You guys have to sort it out, if you’re so inclined. A bit of peripheral bright and breezy’s okay, don’tcha think?))) Cheers! quotha

        • Angemon says

          Jun 16, 2015 at 2:35 pm

          quotha raven posted:

          “Didn’t know what to say. Not my fight. I like Jihadski. It’s your verbal fisticuffs, and I don’t want to get caught in the middle. You guys have to sort it out, if you’re so inclined.”

          Brace yourself and watch your back, QR. Voeg won’t forget that and he won’t let you forget either – just ask gravenimage.

        • quotha raven says

          Jun 17, 2015 at 1:52 am

          @angemon – Thank you for the heads up. Point taken.qr

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 16, 2015 at 2:42 pm

          quotha:

          a) it’s not “our fight” — it’s all in Philip Jihadski’s head; he’s the one attacking me with bullying abuse which is in no way equivalent to my comments about his ideological deficiencies and occasional snarky asides. That would be like Peter making snarky, tart repartee in a bar at Paul, then Paul actually beats Peter to a pulp, meanwhile a bystander shakes his head and goes “Tsk, tsk, both Peter and Paul are equally at fault here…”

          b) you’re setting up a false dilemma for yourself — “Either I get deeply involved, or I continue to sit comfortably on this fencepost in between and pretend neutrality”. I’m not asking you to get into the fray; at least convey to PJ, with one sentence, some sense of dismay and disapproval at his outrageously inappropriate behavior. Then you can continue to chit-chat with him as though he’s not a deranged bully all you like.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 16, 2015 at 3:16 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “a) it’s not “our fight” — it’s all in Philip Jihadski’s head; he’s the one attacking me”

          Bulls***. Here’s an example of your behaviour:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/uk-muslim-medical-student-urges-muslim-doctors-to-join-the-islamic-state/comment-page-1#comment-1253806

          I could list many more example of where you outright lied about PJ and PJ’s positions. You even dropped to the point of casting suspicions of PJ’s trips to ME countries.

          “I’m not asking you to get into the fray; at least convey to PJ, with one sentence, some sense of dismay and disapproval at his outrageously inappropriate behavior.”

          I remember gravenimage asking PJ to tone it down. What did she get for her troubles? More and more unwarranted accusations that she never stood up for you in any way or fashion. Same with Wellington. He asked PJ to try to find common ground with you and what did he get in return? A more prominent role in your pseudo “Hall of Softies”, like seen in the link I posted above.

        • Champ says

          Jun 17, 2015 at 6:03 pm

          Wow ‘voeg’ brings new meaning to being utterly **CLUELESS**!!

          I’m stunned, but not surprised, that ‘voeg’ would ask such a question of Quotha …

          voeg wrote:

          “Why are you ignoring PJ’s egregiously abusive attacks on me? It’s bizarre and surreal for someone (like you who has been) approaching me in friendly terms to be, at the same time, blithely ignoring PJ’s venomous spittle & froth, and on top of that hobnobbing with him in bright & breezy fashion.”

          I am stunned because ‘voeg’ hasn’t learned a thing (nor from being banned several times). But I am not surprised since ‘voeg’ pressured me the same way, a few months ago, when he sent out a group email to our entire Email Club of about 10 people (which I no longer belong to) — where he asked for **help** with PJ, and ‘voeg’ even mentioned me by name (Champ) as someone he thought ought to be helping him with PJ ..??? And then he was wondering why no one else would help him either, as if they ought to be helping him, as well. You know …since ‘voeg’ defends the rest of us so much / SARC!!!!!! No, all he does is criticize — every last one of us — while seated upon his throne.

          Ok, talk about “bizarre and surreal” …receiving THAT group email was bizarre and surreal, to me!! And it also made me quite angry; since ‘voeg’ attacks everyone here, including Robert Spencer. Oh, but now he *expects* a hand? Crazy — what planet is he from?!

          But does ‘voeg’ get it? No! Obviously not! …because NOW he’s presenting Quotha with the same stupid question. Wow, it doesn’t get any more clueless than this.

          And I had the same general response as Quotha did, which was …”fight your own battles and clean up your own messes!” Only Quotha is being much more patient and kind, about it.

          Jeez, ‘voeg’ created all the discourse with everyone, here, yet he isn’t willing to recognize this fact and/or work on his fixing his own problems with everyone here.

          And I think Angemon stated it best:

          “You know what’s bizarre and surreal? I mean, besides your thought process, which can turn a “the problem is with islam itself” into “the author avoided saying that the problem was with islam itself”. It’s your presence here. You’ve been banned several times, you lie, misrepresent, and make all sort of unwarranted and nonsensical attacks on contributors and commentators alike, as if you hate everyone here and can do Robert’s work, and Raymondos word, and Sennels’ work better than them, and you keep coming here, begging others to defend your indefensible actions.”

          Exactly!!!

        • Champ says

          Jun 17, 2015 at 6:20 pm

          ‘voeg’ needs to stop acting like some …BIG SHOT DIVA!!!! It is NOT ok.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 17, 2015 at 7:00 pm

          Champ posted:

          “stop acting like some …BIG SHOT DIVA”

          You reminded me of the Snickers ads:

        • Champ says

          Jun 17, 2015 at 7:23 pm

          ahaha, good one, Angemon!!! ..I love those ad’s! 😀

    • Marty says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 10:53 am

      Mortimer.
      Every single word of your posting is the truth.
      Incredibly, the UK, US and all other civilised nations refuse to face the facts staring them in the face.
      In the UK, we are cofronted with women in hijabs and parents who demand state schools observe mohammedan demands.
      If most mohammedans were white US citizens and the men walked round in face covering robes demanding death to apostates ( and gays and Jews) they would be recognised as the KKK and banned.
      As it is the UK taxpayer is actually forced to pay for muslim schools that teach the kids to hate us.

    • Bamaguje says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 12:55 pm

      This is one of the predictable adverse consequences of the lamestream media beating up on Pamela Geller.
      Censorship on behalf of Islam is becoming mainstream. The unnamed UC Berkeley apostate can’t speak freely about leaving Islam, because that would “provoke” adherents of the “religion of peace.”

  2. Stardusty Psyche says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 8:55 am

    “If someone had told me six years ago that I would leave Islam and end up an atheist”

    Her Berkeley education obviously paid off!!!

    • Bamaguje says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 1:05 pm

      According to her narration, she had her doubts growing up way back in Pakistan

  3. Mirren10 says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 9:01 am

    Why isn’t this Veklerov asking herself a very cogent question.

    If a student wrote a oiece “On leaving Christianity”, or Hindusn, or Sikhism, or *any* other religion, would it have been pulled over ” fears for the author’s safety” ?

    No. Because *none* of these religions threaten the lives of those who wish to leave them.

    Veklerov should now be asking herself some deep questions about *islam*. What it teaches, and why this student’s life is in danger *because* of what it teaches.

    Are other students aware of *why* this piece has been withdrawn, and the author’s name shrouded in secrecy ? If not, *why* not ?

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 1:25 pm

      Mirren10 wrote:

      Are other students aware of *why* this piece has been withdrawn, and the author’s name shrouded in secrecy ? If not, *why* not ?
      ……………………

      Mirren, if you try to look up the article on the Daily Californian web site, you find this rather bland message from the editor:

      “This opinion blog has been retracted because of personal safety concerns.”

      • Mirren10 says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 2:01 pm

        Hi, graven.

        Yes, I saw that; my question was whether or not any of the students *were* aware as to why it had been withdrawn.

        Hope you’re keeping well ! By the way, your fairytale illustrations are absolutely **beautiful** – they’re like jewels.

        • gravenimage says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 5:32 pm

          Yes—I’m not sure how much the students know, or even how much many of them are paying attention.

          And OT—thank you for your kind words about my work, Mirren!

        • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 8:11 pm

          What a beautiful compliment Mirren.

          One of the reasons I love SIOA is because of the quality of writing on these sites. I also love the generosity and honesty of our members-we praise each other and tell each other when we’ve learned something new from our fellow SOIA’ers.

          I believe this ‘flows from the top’, that being our dear Pam’s example.

  4. Draki says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 9:04 am

    Muslim women in America will keep fleeing islam as long as their allowed to. Gotta love freedom!

  5. PRODOS says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 9:28 am

    Greetings.

    The text of the Apostate’s brief blog piece can be read at:
    http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/38skvp/the_article_written_days_ago_by_an_ex_muslim/crxpkec

    One of the commenters — theluggagekerbin — writes (my CAPS emphasis) …

    “I’m from Pakistan and a closet atheist so I can understand her concerns for safety completely. Like her I am from a moderate family, but you have to understand that on some topics EVEN THE MOST MODERATE MUSLIMS ARE WILLING TO KILL, apostasy and blasphemy being the two major ones. Hell, even my father has threatened me from time to time about blasphemy and how I’m going on a dangerous path.”

    So what good are these “moderate Muslims” whom so many are trying to get onside?

    • Jaladhi says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 9:46 am

      There are no “moderate” Muslims, its only a facade to fool the West and I must say they are succeeding well!!

      • TheBuffster says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 10:16 am

        Jaladhi, there are, too, moderate Muslims. Just go read a bunch of testimonies written by ex-Muslims, and you’ll see that a lot of them hadn’t read the Koran and their idea of what Islam is was very mild and sanitized. For many, it was finally reading the Koran that made them apostasize.

        Islam is what is written in the Koran combined with the example of Mohammad as its most excellent practitioner. As such, there is no moderate ISLAM. But there are Muslims who don’t know their own religious texts, who are slack, who have a lot of misconceptions, who believe Mohammad only fought defensive wars, and who will leave the religion if they ever finally read the primary texts for themselves.

        • TheBuffster says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 10:20 am

          “and you’ll see that a lot of them hadn’t read the Koran and their idea of what Islam is was very mild and sanitized.”

          I meant to say that a lot of them hadn’t read the Koran until shortly before they left Islam.

        • Jaladhi says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 10:32 am

          No, I don’t think there are “moderate” Muslims!! The so called moderate Muslim becomes a radical murderer in a nano second when his inner jihad self wakes up!!

          This moderate nonsense emanates from the Western PC culture which cannot tell the truth about Islam and call evil an evil.

          Mo/allah fought all offensive wars – he will find an excuse to break any treaty he made with the tribes on flimsiest pretexts. Treaties were made when j=he was weak and he will break them when he became strong. This model Muslims follow even todate!

        • Jaladhi says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 10:37 am

          OOPs typos:

          “Mo/allah fought all offensive wars – he will find an excuse to break any treaty he made with the tribes on flimsiest pretexts. Treaties were made when he was weak and he will break them when he became strong. This model Muslims follow even to date!”

        • TheBuffster says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 11:39 am

          Jaladhi said: “No, I don’t think there are “moderate” Muslims!! The so called moderate Muslim becomes a radical murderer in a nano second when his inner jihad self wakes up!!”

          So if there are no moderate Muslims, why do some Muslims apostasize when they finally read the Koran?

          Why doesn’t reading the Koran wake up their “inner jihad self”, instead of repelling them clear out of the religion?

          Yes, some moderate Muslims become more radical over time. But other moderate Muslims eventually apostasize. It depends on the character of the individual and the quality of his or her thinking and honesty.

          There’s nothing PC about this, it’s simply fact. Each human being has a mind. Each of us has the capacity to engage that mind in the effort to explore ethical ideas and make our own judgments, to be critical of the ideas we’re taught, or to swallow them whole.

          It would be ridiculous to believe that everyone born to a given religion is going to accept it whole or be equally prone to radicalize or to apostasize. In every religion you have people who accept it without question or qualms and try to practice it as purely as it is set down in its holy books, and you have others who only accept what seems reasonable to them and who try to rationalize or ignore the ridiculous or horrible parts. Eventually some of the latter will conclude that their rationalizations don’t work, and they’ll leave the religion.

          While not all religions are alike in doctrine, the body of “believers” is pretty much alike in all religions in that they run the same gamut of “true believers” to moderators and cherry-pickers, to doubters. And sometimes the people in one category move to a different category, or open the door and leave.

          The problem for us kafirs regarding Muslims is that we can’t read minds. We can’t know who’s really moderate, who will remain moderate, who will radicalize, or who will apostasize. And since pure Islam is hostile to the unbelievers’ liberties and even our right to live, that inability to read minds leaves us in a very difficult position.

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 3:16 pm

          TheBuffster,

          So if there are no moderate Muslims, why do some Muslims apostasize when they finally read the Koran?

          …

          That question is seen to be rhetorical (i.e., you already have an answer, namely that:)

          Yes, some moderate Muslims become more radical over time. But other moderate Muslims eventually apostasize…

          Two problems here, closely related to each other, which indicate you are not keeping two important distinctions in mind. The two distinctions are:

          1) There’s a difference between saying “all Muslims are dangerous” meaning it literally, and meaning it practically, insofar as we reasonably conclude that other factors (including our safety needs, and our knowledge of taqiyya) prevent us from being able to discern the difference between the harmless Muslim and the dangerous Muslim.

          Which leads me to the second distinction:

          2) The micro scale and the macro scale.

          When I say these other factors prevent us from being able to tell the difference, I mean on the macro scale. The macro scale is the broad, complex, diverse, and often confusing scale of large numbers of people in society – further multiplied into different societies, different cultures, different nations – all in our modern times inter-penetrating in a thousand different ways. Western nations, Western societies are not small villages – they are massive countries, with massive cities, and given their relative freedoms, a constant influx of people traveling, criss-crossing, emigrating, immigrating, etc. With the disastrous invitation of millions of Muslims over the past few decades (only escalating after 911, because of our insane multi-culturalism), coupled with the problem of terrorism emanating out of the Islam of these Muslims, this problem of the complexity of modern society becomes so big and complicated that in the coming decades the danger of terrorism – again, factoring in the other factors — will render it recklessly irresponsible for us to continue to treat Muslims with the benefit of the doubt and not rather treat them all under equal suspicion.

          The micro scale is when one individual, or a tight-knit small group of individuals who know each other, have one-on-one interactions with one Muslim. one at a time. On this micro scale, the well-intentioned non-Muslim Westerner can think and feel that here, they are actually making a connection and this Muslim really seems to be a decent person, capable of change. This may or may not be true. I certainly don’t rule out that various individuals (including myself) may be able to discern such a potentially moderate Muslim in such circumstances. However, I’m certainly not going to let the word of someone else vouch for, and vet, any Muslim in the context where a terror attack could happen – or in the broader context of fostering an attitude in our society where we continue to embrace the influx of mass numbers of Muslims into our society by expanding the good feelings we may feel about the smattering few individual Muslims we may have had nice interactions with. Even if I myself were to experience those good feelings with a smattering few individual Muslims, I wouldn’t be so reckless as to ignore my civic duty and concern for my fellow citizens, friends and family and presume to foster such an attitude that tends to reinforce the disastrous trust of Muslim on the macro scale.

          And if a person doesn’t think the problems and factors of the macro scale are that bad, such that we must reasonably conclude that they trump the micro scale they just haven’t been reading Jihad Watch carefully enough over the years.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 3:31 pm

          583 words and you didn’t answer the question you set yourself up to answer. Good going voeg, good going.

        • Jaladhi says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 3:39 pm

          Buffster , you are being nice in giving Muslims some benefit of doubt in describing some of them as “moderates”!!

          But what see from Muslim behavior all over the world is that Muslims follow Quran and believe every word of it, and that where their rational thinking goes out of the window. As a Muslim they have to believe every word of Quran or they will be declared an apostate – belief in Quran and Mo/allah is a must for all Muslims. They can’t be selective in believing only the Meccan passages and throw out Medina verses of Quran – it is not up to any Muslim to do that.

          If there are “moderate” Muslims as you believe then why aren’t there any “moderate” imams and mosques that teach “moderate” Islam to Muslims. And if they weer teaching moderate Islam why moderate Islam is not catching on? And how do you explain young Muslims joining ISIS when it is luring them by showing all those horrible throat cutting videos? Do Muslim you have no capacity to see and distinguish between evil and good and right and wrong?

          The 19 jihadis that crashed two planes in WTC and massacred more than 3000 US citizens were “moderate” educated Muslims – how did they go wrong and learned wrong Islam. Similarly those Muslim medical doctors in Glasgow, Scotland who attacked the airport and killed non-Muslims – where did they learn their “moderate” Islam – they were “moderate” one day and murderer the next day as a result of their “inner jihad” taking over.

          One can find many more tales of these “moderate” Muslims ad infinitum.

          No “moderate” Islam and no “moderate” Muslims is the norm in Islamic world!!

      • duh_swami says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 1:03 pm

        You are right, there are no ‘moderate’ Mahoundians.
        There is only Islam and the pious…

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 2:36 pm

        Some in the Counter-Jihad still retain the Moderate Muslim — but under sweeter-smelling names, which allows them to continue to indulge their ethical narcissism (“see, I’m a good person, I’m not condemning all Muslims!”) while affecting to be a robust warrior-of-ideas in the Counter-Jihad.

        The Mutation of the “Moderate Muslim”
        http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-mutation-of-moderate-muslim.html

        More recenty, I became aware of another taxonomy that multiplies the non-bad Muslim into several subtypes:

        Muslims who don’t take Islam seriously

        reluctant Muslims

        essentially non-Muslim Muslims

        less consistent Muslims (the negative complement of his phrase “more consistent co-religionists”)

        indifferent Muslims

        Muslims who truly don’t care about Islam

        Objectively good human beings, who identify themselves as Muslim

        Non-observant Muslims

        personally peaceful individual Muslims

        your average Muslim [who] is morally superior to Mohammad.

        Since under circumstances and in contexts where a terror attack (ranging from small, like the Boston Marathon attack, to medium, like 911, to massively horrendous (where not 3,000, but 100,000 or more could be decimated, and thousands more horribly disfigured and/or sickened if the attack uses WMDs like biological or chemical toxins) such grimly ludicrous subcategories as adumbrated above would prove utterly worthless (if believed at face value) for our safety needs, one wonders why an otherwise stalward Counter-Jihadist — who should know better, being an ex-Muslim himself who informs us that his own Muslim family and friends evinced the kinds of fanaticism that inspire the terrorist — would take the time and trouble to elaborate them, other than to assuage his ethical anxiety about himself and us.

        http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/10/bosch-fawstins-multiplication-of-crypto.html

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 3:27 pm

          that should be “stalwart”, of course

        • Jaladhi says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 3:56 pm

          So calling some Muslims as “moderate” Muslims gives these lefty liberals a false “good” feeling about themselves resulting from the PC MC culture permeating the West! All this good feeling will evaporate when their necks are on line and their “moderate” Muslim friends do nothing to save them!!

        • Champ says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 4:07 pm

          I cling to the truth that there’s no such thing as a moderate muslim and there’s certainly NO moderate islam …some muslims may not be very devout to islam, but the moderate muslim/islam *idea* is a complete MYTH!

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 7:10 pm

          Jaladhi,

          “So calling some Muslims as “moderate” Muslims gives these lefty liberals a false “good” feeling about themselves resulting from the PC MC culture permeating the West! ”

          Not just “lefty liberals”, but also quite a few souls in the Counter-Jihad — again, by cooking up new labels to slap onto the old “Moderate Muslim” product. Thus they can simultaneously pat themselves on the back for rejecting the “Moderate Muslim” meme as ridiculous, while bringing in the back door the very same “Moderate Muslim” under new labels. (Note: many (most? all?) in the Counter-Jihad who do this don’t realize what they are doing — at least, let’s hope they don’t…)

    • Bamaguje says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 1:09 pm

      Moderate Muslims/Jihadists, good cop/bad cop.

  6. Artie Galvin says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 9:35 am

    “I’ve experienced the religion firsthand and have also viewed it as an objective bystander” What utter nonsense.

  7. Gary says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 9:36 am

    Islam the death cult……..

    “You can check out, but you can never leave.”

    Unless……

    One turns to the true and living God!!!

    Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
    (Acts 4:12)

    Then and only then can one proclaim with complete confidence….

    “Surely your goodness and love will follow me
    all the days of my life,
    and I will dwell in the house of the LORD
    forever!” (Psalm 23:6)

  8. Jaladhi says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 9:43 am

    Muslims and liberals can’t stand the truth!! Unfortunately our universities have also fallen prey to this liberal philosophy and continue to aid Muslims by lying. Its not just UC Berkeley, we see this behavior in most universities. This is traitorous behavior!!

    • Huck Folder says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 8:59 pm

      Sinister socialists + evil islam = sinislam.

  9. Babs says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 10:06 am

    And yet Robert says that the UK is circling the drain!

  10. Mirren10 says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 10:10 am

    You can contact Miss Veklerov at the address below.

    Ask her the same question I asked in my earlier post.

    Kimberly Veklerov is the editor in chief and president. Contact her at editor@dailycal.org.

  11. ChrisLA says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 10:11 am

    Islamic scholar Shamim Siddiqi who wrote “Methodology of Dawah” advises Muslims to share only a “concocted or abbreviated” form of Islam with new or young Muslims. Only later are they introduced to the “revolutionary aspects” of Islam outlined in Surah 9 — Repentance. This progressive indoctrination approach explains why so many Muslims are unaware of the Quranic origins of the draconian measures taken by ISIS today — including hudud Sharia Law, beheading non-Muslims, and raping captives. The more one learns about Islam, it appears, the less even Muslims like it.

    • RonaldB says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 10:50 am

      ” The more one learns about Islam, it appears, the less even Muslims like it.”

      Except, you notice, the committed Muslims assume as one becomes immersed in Islam, one’s conscience becomes progressively duller. This is why a new Muslim can eventually be introduced to the full doctrine of Islam and sharia: Islam serves to progressively deaden one’s conscience and reasoning ability.

      By the way, that’s very good information on Siddiqi. That information and more can be found in “Catastrophic Failure” a book by Stephen Coughlin, who, like Robert Spencer, is a previously-sought-after instructor on Islam for national security agencies.

      http://www.amazon.com/Catastrophic-Failure-Blindfolding-America-Jihad/dp/1511617500/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1434120583&sr=8-1&keywords=catastrophic+failure

  12. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 10:15 am

    Fears for her safety, or fears for the Berkeley campus’ safety? Keep in mind that the U of Calif system is headed by Janet Napolitano, a vetted Moslem security expert held in the highest esteem. That’s how she got the prestigious job. So now Janet swings into action to make sure that there is not a mass murder at Sproul Plaza.

    In the bitterest of ironies, that was where the so-called Free Speech Movement was born. Now a young woman’s free speech is shut down on the campus in the interest of nobody getting murdered over a speech that some find offensive.

    I guess this means that Moslems are not for free speech. Somebody should send a memo on this to Geller.

  13. Angemon says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 10:41 am

    blockquote>Islam is no monolith, and with more than 1.5 billion followers, it’s impossible to refer to Islam as a single entity. There are Muslim women who cover every inch of their bodies except for their eyes, and there are also Muslim women who wear short skirts. With so much variation amongst Muslims, it’s hard to determine who really gets to speak for Islam.

    Actually, no, it isn’t. Islam is as islam says, not as muslims do. Those muslimas who wear short skirts do so because of what islam mandates or despite of it? Is i difficult to know who speaks for Catholicism because some catholics practice birth control while others don’t? Of course not, the Catholic Church has a stance on birth control and those Catholics who practice it are going against what Catholicism teaches.

    I plan to defend it and give credit where it’s due — Islam, after all, gave women the right to work and own property back in the seventh century

    Huh? Women had those rights. In fact, muhammad’s first wife was a rich, successful merchant woman.

    There is an element of irony that the author should be so imperiled by writing the article

    Who says it’s just the author? I bet whatever threats they got also extended to the people who allowed the article to be published.

  14. TheBuffster says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 10:52 am

    From the apostate’s full article: “Going through all of these versions of Islam has enabled me to gain a more comprehensive understanding of the religion. Islam is no monolith, and with more than 1.5 billion followers, it’s impossible to refer to Islam as a single entity. There are Muslim women who cover every inch of their bodies except for their eyes, and there are also Muslim women who wear short skirts. With so much variation amongst Muslims, it’s hard to determine who really gets to speak for Islam.”

    It seems to me that Mohammad is the one who gets to speak for Islam, and he does that in the Koran. Then there’s his example in the Hadith and the Sira. If a Muslim or group of Muslims interpret the Koran and other primary works in ways that torture the texts and ignore what liberal Muslims don’t find reasonable, then they are not speaking for Islam. They are speaking for themselves.

    Variation among Muslims tells us nothing about what the texts actually say, and it is the texts that speak for Islam.

    • miriamrove says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 11:59 am

      Your post above that there moderate Muslims are correct and valid. But some how here I get the feeling that you are defending Islam as how moderate Muslims see the text. M

      • TheBuffster says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 12:18 pm

        Hi, Miriam.

        No, I’m not defending Islam at all. I think perhaps you didn’t notice that the first paragraph of my post was a quote from the *apostate’s* full article. She’s the one who’s saying that it’s hard to know who speaks for Islam, because there are so many different points of view among Muslims.

        My reply to what she said was that *Mohammad* is the one who speaks for Islam. In other words, the Koran and Hadith and Sira speak for Islam, not Muslims.

        • miriamrove says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 2:56 pm

          are so many different points of view among Muslims….

          she is confused. There are not many different points about Islam. There in only one point and that point is being conveyed by Jihadists like ISIS, Al Quada, Al Shabab etc…..

          There is no such a thing as moderate Islam and moderate Muslims here in the west is one our biggest problems. M

        • Angemon says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 3:08 pm

          miriamrove posted:

          “are so many different points of view among Muslims….

          she is confused. There are not many different points about Islam. There in only one point and that point is being conveyed by Jihadists like ISIS, Al Quada, Al Shabab etc….. ”

          Indeed, miriam. She tries to conflate what muslims do with what islam teaches, which, as far as I’m concerned, is a sign of intellectual shallowness, if not outright dishonesty. Islam is as islam says, and that doesn’t change because some muslims don’t know, or care, about this or that rule.

        • TheBuffster says

          Jun 13, 2015 at 7:35 am

          I agree that there is no moderate Islam, that the texts are what they are and are very *clearly* what they are: supremicist, totalitarian, and monstrous. I also agree that those Muslims who present themselves as moderate – whether they truly are or whether they’re not – give a false face to actual Islam – the Islam of the texts.

          It’s my contention that the truly moderate, i.e., the appalled at jihad and sharia law, i.e., the superficial Muslims need to read their texts and come to terms with what Islam really is. I’m talking about people whose personal, core values are normal and decent, but who need to be urged to realize that they really aren’t Muslims.

          They need to see that eventually they will *have* to side either with the totalitarian forces of Islam, or with anti-totalitarian forces. They need to face that this monster is coming for them and their families, and if they don’t want their lives ruled by the iron fist of Islam, they need to reject Islam and get ready to fight for their lives.

          I support any effort to convert Muslims away from Islam to *any* truly peaceful religion or philosophy that respects the rights of the individual. I also want to see law enforcement take the plight of apostates seriously. I want to see political correctness DIE!!!

    • voegelinian says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 3:32 pm

      ” If a Muslim or group of Muslims interpret the Koran and other primary works in ways that torture the texts and ignore what liberal Muslims don’t find reasonable, then they are not speaking for Islam. They are speaking for themselves.”

      And (pragmatically on the macro scale) indistinguishable among them are those twisting Islam into what they know it’s not, as part of the stealth jihad, through any combination, mix-&-match, of the following tactics:

      Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda’rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam.

      Kitman: deceit by omission.

      Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity.

      Taysir: deceit through facilitation (not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia).

      Darura: deceit through necessity (to engage in something “Haram” or forbidden).

      And my favorite:

      Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia in order that Muslim immigrants appear “moderate.”

    • PRCS says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 5:51 pm

      Miriam is a former Muslim from Iran, as I recall, and his posts are not always easily understood: EX: he notes that (1) Your post above that there moderate Muslims are correct and valid.” and (2) “There are not many different points about Islam”

      Not many. But some.

      I don’t believe that Sufism or the Amahiyya sect is addressed in the Qur’an or the Sunnah. But they do exist.

      The clear indication, from Mirriam, a former Muslim, is that varied interpretations of the Qur’an and Sunnah do exist.

      One would be hard pressed to absolutely assert that there are no “moderate” Muslims or that “Islam is what Islam says”.

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 7:14 pm

        PRCS has been reading Jihad Watch for years; and yet he seems oblivious to the prodigious data reported here over the years (and by colleagues of Robert Spencer, such as Andrew Bostom) indicating that Ahmadiyya and Sufs are not “diverse” in any sense that should mollify our ongoing, growing alarm at the dangers of Islam. Ahmadiyya and Sufis may have colorfully superficial differences with Sunni & Shia Islam — but not where it matters: in terms of the dangers of Jihad against us.

        • PRCS says

          Jun 12, 2015 at 8:50 pm

          I never said any such thing, Hesp.

          Want to know why I didn’t come to your rescue when others were ganging up on you?

          Because you’re a pompous, self-important asshole who thinks he can read others’ minds, and you deserve all the abuse you get here.

          Fuck you.

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 6:21 pm

          PRCS either can’t see what his own words are implying, or he’s being evasive. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume the former. His post my comment referred to adduces the Ahmadiyya and the Sufis in the context of hastening to point out that there is a “diversity” in Islam; then in the next breath he says that we can’t abolutely rule out “moderate Muslims”. He’s either doing what I alluded to in my previous post, or he’s taking time to type words out for no reason.

        • PRCS says

          Jun 15, 2015 at 11:38 am

          Again, your conceit gets the better of you.

          My post was in response to those by Miriam and another poster.

          Not yours.

  15. Agent of Liberty says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 11:02 am

    AFDI next Muhammad Cartoon drawing contest should be held at Berkley!

  16. KrazyKafir says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 11:02 am

    Berkeley?? I’m shocked the school administration didn’t stone her to death themselves. They must be slipping.

  17. Papa Whiskey says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 11:38 am

    It is a thundering great irony that this should have happened at UC Berkeley, where the seminal “Free Speech Movement” erupted in 1964.

    http://www.city-journal.org/2014/eon0925ss.html

    Of course, the goals of that movement were to “promote the ideas of the Cuban Revolution and weaken the Cold War consensus” — that is, the agenda of the left. Today the aggrandizement of Islam is a prominent item on that agenda. Free speech? Meh.

    • TheBuffster says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 7:48 am

      For the left, it’s often “Free speech for me but not for thee”. If it’s their speech that’s being squashed, they’ll protest, but if their opponents’ speech is being squashed – no worries.

      Some on the left are consistently in support of free speech, but in my experience that’s not the usual pattern.

  18. duh_swami says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    I lived in Berkeley 7 years one night…it’s an armpit of liberalism.
    Every kind of pollution that exists is abundant there. However, there is a good selection of international flavored restaurants.
    It’s interesting that people who believe Islam is just dandy worry about violence coming from it.

    • voegelinian says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 7:18 pm

      “It’s interesting that people who believe Islam is just dandy worry about violence coming from it.”

      They channel their worry away from Islam — and away from the vast majority of Muslims Who Just Wanna Have a Sandwich — to a safely cordonned-off Tiny Minority of Extremists who may pullulate out of Islam all the livelong day, but magically enough have Nothing To Do With Islam.

      It’s an incoherent thought process, but enormously popular and successful (affecting the hearts & minds of innumerable non-Leftists throughout the West, including Conservatives, Centrists, and the Comfortably Apolitical). Unfortunately, the essential incoherence of the thought process in question seems to have no effect on its resilience.

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 7:20 pm

        ” (affecting the hearts & minds of innumerable non-Leftists throughout the West, including Conservatives, Centrists, and the Comfortably Apolitical)”

        I neglected to add an “also” in there or a “not only Leftists” — intending to add that not only Leftists indulge this incoherent thought process, but also so do those other categories of Westerners.

  19. steve brown says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    The Hebrews were slaves of the Egyptians for over 400 years. Islamic woman have been enslaved by Sharia Law for 1400 years.https://www.google.com/search?q=islamic+child+marriage&biw=1440&bih=725&tbm=isch&imgil=DzVnanNlIVg7YM%253A%253B6ca_8ogALWjyXM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%25252Fwatch%25253Fv%2525253Dqfjbmq4vOWU&source=iu&pf=m&fir=DzVnanNlIVg7YM%253A%252C6ca_8ogALWjyXM%252C_&usg=__tSl3WLj5O7BuEjAD7O81La_ZfRY%3D&ved=0CD8QyjdqFQoTCLXsu63IisYCFY9IjAodv5YKVg&ei=Zgd7VbWhK4-RsQS_raqwBQ#imgrc=DzVnanNlIVg7YM%253A%3B6ca_8ogALWjyXM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.ytimg.com%252Fvi%252Fqfjbmq4vOWU%252Fhqdefault.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253Dqfjbmq4vOWU%3B480%3B360
    Tell me this not slavery of woman.

  20. nacazo says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 12:29 pm

    How islamophobic of the Berkeley university newspaper in retiring the article in the assumption that islam is violent.

    /sarc off

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 1:26 pm

      *That* sarcasm should never go off.

  21. nacazo says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    She must have received threats from some hate group….

    Dear SPLC list compilers,

    What “hate group” threatened her? Is that group in your “hate group” list?

    How come?

  22. gravenimage says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 1:14 pm

    University of California-Berkeley student’s article about why she left Islam pulled from school paper over fears for her safety
    ……………………………

    I had missed this story in the Daily Cal, though I read my alma mater’s paper whenever I’m up by the campus.

    It is good to see that the paper has pulled the author’s name—but disturbingly it is not difficult to find.

    Will anyone in Berkeley stand up for her rights? Given how “politically incorrect” this admission of Islam’s misogyny, polygamy, and even allowance of *taking sex slaves* is, I’m not sure I would count on it.

    How did the editors come to realize that the author was in danger? My guess is that the paper received death threats from pious Muslims on campus.

    And what about her family? So many apostates are Honor Killed by the very people who in a civilized society are supposed to love them.

    That it is not safe to publish such an article—which, as noted, would be no big deal if about a student leaving Judaism, or Christianity, or Hinduism, or Buddhism—in such a safe and liberal town as Berkeley is profoundly concerning. But for those of us in the Counter Jihad, it is hardly shocking.

    Here’s a not entirely surprising twist—the author has also written several pieces for the paper sneering at the idea that Jihad terrorism exists in Islam—including an uncritical regurgitation of the “Diet Coke” Muslim’s story. She has also flogged the idea of “Islamophobia” many times.

    Will any of this keep her safe? Obviously not. No matter how much one whitewashes Islam, *any* criticism or even questioning of that baleful creed is enough to bring on threats.

  23. Katnis says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    Has everyone read the article? I found it to be very direct and honest. What a shame that such an interesting and honest essay would endanger her life.

    Good for the author for speaking her truth. I hope the article continues to circulate.

  24. Charles says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    Maybe I am too cynical, but I wonder if the article was withdrawn was because it was Islamophobic and hateful and bigoted and so forth. The concern for the writer’s safety is only an excuse.

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 7:08 pm

      What do you find “Islamophobic and hateful and bigoted” about it?

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 7:31 pm

        What Charles likely means is that it may have been pulled because perceived to be Islamophobic, etc. We should know by now that the PC MC mainstream routinely perceives things in this regard which are simply not there.

        I would say it was pulled for both reasons (we need not chain ourselves to an Either/Or choice) — both a semi-conscious fear of Muslims, and a PC MC anxiety that it may be Islamophobic etc.

        The fear in the PC MC mainstream remains semi-conscious, as a result of a psychological tension between two things:

        a) the growing volcano of data indicating that Muslims are in fact to be feared, for their fanatical alacrity to threaten — and deliver — horrific and unexpected violence;

        b) the pressure of PC MC, which has an overriding psychological & cultural interest in avoiding thinking any negative thoughts about Muslims perceived to be an Ethnic People (or a wonderful tapesty or mosaic of Ethnic Peoples) which, as such, in the PC MC worldview constitute the worst thought crimes imaginable.

        The pressures of this ongoing tension in the hearts & minds of PC MC people explains much of their tortured rhetoric the more they engage this metastasizing problem of Islam (and interestingly, but logically, the thought process expressed in rhetoric seems to be even more tortured among asymptotics in the Counter-Jihad).

    • eib says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 8:30 pm

      There is nothing hateful or bigoted about converting out of Islam. Since when is it evil to change your mind?

  25. duh_swami says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    I should write a book called . ‘7 years in Berkeley…A harrowing tale’…
    Telegraph Avenue for about 4 blocks below University Ave is a carnival, as is Sproule Plaza under the Sather Gate at lunch time. It’s a lot like Babylon, where most people, but not all , have cloths on. In the lower plaza near the cafeteria, ancient drummers, show up with conga’s, and bongo’s, etc. I used to know ‘Harry the lesbian gardener’ (yep, that’s what she called herself) at Cal Campus…She used to tell me stories that would be hard to believe if someone else told me…Nothing that goes on in Berkeley would surprise me…

  26. Champ says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    “This opinion blog has been retracted because of personal safety concerns.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Only the topic of islam raises these valid concerns …if a student wrote about leaving any *other* religion, then there wouldn’t even be an ounce of concern for their safety.

    • Champ says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 3:36 pm

      Hmm, wonder why …oh never mind, I must be an “islamophobe”, so carry on.

  27. Silvia says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    I haven’t read the whole article yet but there’s something hypocritical and illogical about it all. The writer researched islam trying to reconcile it with modern human values, she couldn’t so she left. Islam is not good enough for her but it’s good for the rest of the 1.5 billion brainwashed hostages???? These redeeming qualities she mentions weren’t enough to make her keep her belief but she still uses them to defend that satan cult?
    Does she not see the paradox?

    • Champ says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 3:46 pm

      Does she not see the paradox?

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Great point, Silvia! And I would add that there’s a huge-helping of *denial* at work here, as well — along with a good dose of fear, too.

      Question: “What does the Bible say about fear?”

      Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-fear.html

      >> “Once we have learned to put our trust in God, we will no longer be afraid of the things that come against us.”

    • gravenimage says

      Jun 12, 2015 at 7:24 pm

      Actually, the author has been victim-mongering for Islam for some time. In “No, Muslims are not Terrorists”, she wrote:

      “‘Please step out of the line. This is just a random check, ma’am,’ said the TSA agent.

      I shrugged and followed the agent to a separate room, where she opened up and examined my luggage. Besides my family, the other people who had been randomly selected were either Arab or of Middle Eastern descent. I was annoyed, but by then I had gotten used to it.

      I frequently travel between Pakistan and the United States, and every single time, the security agents “randomly select me for extra security checks.” The 23-hour flight is tiring enough without the religious profiling and discrimination. Just being of Muslim background and traveling with a Pakistani passport implies that I am a threat — not a student going back to her home country to visit her family, but a ruthless terrorist intent on destroying lives.

      Almost 14 years after 9/11, Muslims worldwide are still paying the price…”

      The article goes on in this vein.

      For all her sneering at Islam being dangerous, of course, pious Muslims turned on her soon enough when she admitted being an apostate.

      • PRCS says

        Jun 12, 2015 at 11:42 pm

        Good post, as usual.

        It’s the things the people DON’T know about–like those you noted–that significantly alter the narrative.

        Perhaps it’s because I live “up at the Big Lake” that I don’t have access to the “Daily Cal’, and didn’t know those things.

        Thanks for the additional info.

  28. VRWC member77 says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    “Islam is still extremely misrepresented and shrouded with stereotypes,” the author writes. “I want to address these stereotypes and portray Islam in all its diversity. ”

    Diversity in ways to murder and kidnap non-believers??

    This leftist moron is just a boorish attention whore who wants to have things both ways. Why don’t you just shut up “anonymous”?

  29. abad says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    Leave Christianity – you are still alive.

    Leave Islam – you have a fatwa on your head.

    Plain and simple. Period. End of story.

    • Champ says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 6:31 pm

      Bravo, Abad! …concise and sooo true!

  30. R Cole says

    Jun 12, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    It seems though – people are banking more on the hope of a misrepresentation of Islam – so their theories would finally be proved right – than to face up to the reality of how Islam is in practice.

    If you listen to this person – she is still toeing the Islamic carnival line – when it is more likely that Muhammad took rights away from Arabian woman. Aisha in the end was sold off as a slave/wife to the highest bidder – after Muhammad’s death. And it must be indoctrination or delusion – as to how anyone can equate marriage to a child of 6 [he f’d her when she was ‘9’] – with the liberation of women!!

    It is this Islamic narrative that needs to be thrown off the side of a cliff or tall building – and stoned when it still survives on landing!!

    There seems a need to delude – but there is no place in hell for completely ignoring Muhammad’s ‘wisdom’.

    ::

    What’s the misrepresentation about – that the violence of Islam is seen in a religious context – something those from a Christian perspective can’t easily fathom!! Misrepresented ~ that non-Muslims don’t know how negatively they are portrayed by the religion ~ better to leave that misrepresentation alone – else they might view what they are being told about Islam with more scrutiny.

    Sounds like Berkeley is more worried about their own security. Sadly, though if someone joins Islam – that would get front page. No space given to those who say – they were threatened for leaving.

    [Or perhaps it’s Muslim/Arab state admissions that concerns them]

    Imagine leaving Islam – being viewed as an act of “Islamophobia!”

    :: ::

    When the truth is offensive!

    Telling – as Islamic historical accounts show – Muhammad was offended by truths.

    Compare Jesus who said – I am the truth. A stark difference!

    The things said about Muhammad and he had people put to death for – still holds true today for his followers.

    It was true then – as it is true now!

    :: ::

    :: ::

    Did the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem have blue eyes?

    Could it be that it was not only his hatred of Jews that endeared him to Hitler – but his baby blue eyes!

    Interesting video here – further to Pamela Geller’s bus campaign featuring Hitler and prominent ME Islamic leader.

    Lone German woman warns of Leftist, Muslim and Nazi ties

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=334_1434128184

    The Nazis were National ‘Socialists’ – no one wants to call Lefties Nazis – although many take enormous pleasure in cruelly labeling the critics of Islam the same – but there is this weird hard-line support for Islam – that has nothing to do with Muslim rights – their efforts go towards the support of Islamic intolerance. Just a few years ago many would have thought little of holding the complete opposite position. And for this reason they are losing support.

    Islam is supremacist – not surprisingly many on the Left feel superior – being associated with it.

    In the west – the Left is Islam’s stepping stone.

    Sharia is the goal.

    • Huck Folder says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 1:00 am

      The sinister socialist stepping stone + the illegitimate islam = sinislam,
      a marriage officiated by shaitan.

  31. citycat says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 1:14 am

    No ordinary apostasy, not conversion but the worst, becoming an athiest, brave girl, she knows the penalty is death, more so cos of her famous writing.

    No one is free to leave Islam.
    She could be in great danger of being made into an example of such folly.

    “Ayaan Hirsi Ali, another ex-Muslim Atheist, whore harsh criticism of Islam was not always justified”
    ?

    “I could leave Islam without dismissing it or labeling it as wrong”
    yeah, sure

    “It’s hard to determine who really gets to speak for Islam”
    That depends on their jihad- stealth, or being nice to integrate, or strict Mosque goer- to keep the faith structure till the final take over,

    or spy.

    Just a thought

  32. milad meah says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 2:29 am

    I plan to defend it and give credit where it’s due — Islam, after all, gave women the right to work and own property back in the seventh century.
    BEFORE ISLAM – YOU HAVE TO DO MORE STUDY MY DEAR

  33. Agent of Liberty says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 10:49 am

    Berkley needs to be the next mohammed AFDI cartoon contest location. Imagine the controversy and enlightenment that will happen.

  34. Douglas Sydney Australia says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 11:34 am

    For the first time in my life I am proud of an Atheist.

    • BillWalker says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 1:22 pm

      I’m proud of my atheism every day of my remaining life.

  35. Lioness says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 11:48 am

    The university’s message: don’t do anything that might annoy Muslims. So now we are not talking anout “provocative” cartoons, but one student’s own experience with her religion, and this is not allowed because Muslims will be upset and try to kill her. This is De Facto accepting Islamic blasphemy laws bit by bit and dismantling the US constitution bit by bit.

  36. BillWalker says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 1:25 pm

    I am proud of my atheism every day of my remaining life.

  37. Uncle Vladdi says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 6:00 pm

    Pity she still can’t see the forest for the trees.

    Re: “I plan to defend it and give credit where it’s due — Islam, after all, gave women the right to work and own property back in the seventh century” WRONG!

    Moe’s first wife, Khadija, owned and operated a transportation firm, which had employed him as a caravan guard. As a muslima, she should already know this.

    She’s too spun by liberal university programming to be able to connect simple dots.

    • quotha raven says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 7:30 pm

      @ Uncle Vladdi – “Pity she still can’t see the forest for the trees….She’s too spun by liberal university programming to be able to connect simple dots.”

      Which suggests that she is one of Voegelinian’s weak people bullied by PCMC into submission of a sort. Such people, be they dhimmi or apostates, are vulnerable in varying degrees to PCMC programming, which can be intellectually as harsh and uncompromising as Islam itself. They haven’t the intellectual fortitude or enough spirit to rebel against PCMC and to call a spade a spade, even when they’ve personally experienced the rotten spoils of Islam. Which is NOT to say there can’t be a sort of atavistic element of fear motivating her thinking/writing. The effects of having been raised in a theocracy can leave ugly scars and interfere with the way one thinks, turning realistic observation into mush.

      Cheers! Quotha

      • Uncle Vladdi says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 11:12 pm

        Well of course – because fear (whether rational or not) is the basis for ALL thinking. The only real problem is being taught (abused with the literally backwards, pre-posterous and so, irrational, notion) to fear fear AS pain, and so ignoring and and thus never getting to the next step in the thought process (hope).

        As such, islam and leftardation are in perfect, literally psycho-pathic sync.

        (Psycho-path being derived from the Greek expression: “Thought-Killer”)!

        😉

      • voegelinian says

        Jun 14, 2015 at 5:27 pm

        quotha,

        More often than not, it seems to me, Westerners who parrot & regurgitate PC MC spasms are not really the result of any “bullying”, which implies that PC MC has been imposed from outside — which, in turn, implies either a conspiracy-theorish view of the Problem of the Problem, or a strangely cynical view of most people as sheeps (or a combination of both). The core nature of the Problem of the Problem is that by and large it has been a voluntary psychological/cultural process. This isn’t to say that nefariously Leftist motivations by certain individuals and groups haven’t played a part; nor that there isn’t an element of sheepish passivity amongst Western masses — it is only to say that those two factors do not suffice to explain the bulk of the phenomenon. Unless we, the Counter-Jihad, gain a more accurate appreciation for the voluntary nature of it, and its fundamentally sincere, good intentions rooted in Western virtues, we will continue to be grappling with an erroneously constructed fiction.

        • quotha raven says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 6:51 pm

          Voeg –

          “Bullyed by” was a poor choice of words. I meant a psychological/cultural type of bullying, or “peer pressure, akin to “shunning”. But I have been stymied by how such a restrictive (if vague) concept as PC took hold in the first place. I thought when it first became evident that it would be short-lived. Peer pressure can be a sort of bullying, but it is simply beyond me that masses and masses of people would embrace politically correct speech.

          It’s like saying “here: put a gag right over my mouth, and tell me what I CAN say,” Who would do that? PC has been a serious imponderable for me for years and years. It is inconceivable to me how PC has taken such hold, when it is, as you say, “voluntary”. I, for one, am a bit of a rebel and admit to having something of an authority problem.

          Perhaps it is an initiation trial for joining that wonderful country club, Ethical Narcissim! I have never been able to figure out the hold political correctness.maintains on so many, and while it’s a great tool for advancing the Leftist lust for control and superiority, I still can’t see how PC became so rigid…who sets the standards? To the best of my knowledge, the PC movement began on college/university campuses. I remember a big flap over a sign that said “no gays” put on a dorm room in some obscure college. It became a national news story.

          Instead of diminishing its scope, PC scope and range have grown exponentially. Two anecdotal examples: I had for many years a wonderful dog named Blackie, a name he’d acquired at the pound, where I adopted him. Needless to say, he was jet black. People were uncomfortable saying his name! The people I gave him to when I moved to the west coast renamed him Dillon.

          Story #2: I was at a farm market in rural Columbia County, NY, and came across a pile of fresh-picked corn. I asked the seller whether she had, or would have, any “white corn” (like they grow in New Jersey – nothing like it when it’s briefly in season!). She shot me an unmistakeable look of disapproval! I didn’t imagine this; it really happened.

          And, as I’m sure you know, one uses the word “niggardly” at one’s peril!

          It’s scary how susceptible to group-think and propaganda so MANY people are. I used to think PC was toothless, but with the advent of “hate crimes” and “hate speech” laws, it has become intrenched in our ever-more-oppressive system of law and government regulation. Welcome to Post-Constitutional USA. Cheers! Quotha

          Cheers! Quotha

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 15, 2015 at 2:28 pm

          quotha,

          Your “Blackie” and white corn stories brought to mind a fact I learned recently, that the Crayola company a few years ago discontinued one crayon color — “Indian Red” — over concerns of guess what. For every fact like this, we could find 1,001 others.

          One statement you made may provide a clue into the PC MC mystery:

          when it is, as you say, “voluntary”. I, for one, am a bit of a rebel and admit to having something of an authority problem.

          By serendipity (if one is not a conspiracy theorist), the vague aura and panache of being a rebel from the 60s Counter-Cultural Revolution has become absorbed into the PC MC worldview, so that when a current PC MC thinks his non-“racist” thoughts (where “racist” is put in quotes to denote the trumped-up thought crime, not the actual racism that should, indeed, be eschewed by all enlightened souls), deep down he feels like he’s keeping the flame of that Counter-Cultural Revolution alive — even if his neo-Yuppie lifestyle may gnaw at him semi-consciously for having “sold out to the Man”. If he does feel this tension, it always helps assuage it for him to stand foursquare with the angels, and with the poor oppressed Muslims, against those evil White (Right Wing) Bigots who are always a potential danger in our society.

        • Angemon says

          Jun 15, 2015 at 5:35 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “If he does feel this tension, it always helps assuage it for him to stand foursquare with the angels, and with the poor oppressed Muslims, against those evil White (Right Wing) Bigots who are always a potential danger in our society.”

          So why always muslims and not, for example, Sikhs, Hindus or Buddhists?

        • quotha raven says

          Jun 15, 2015 at 4:30 pm

          “… the Crayola company a few years ago discontinued one crayon color — “Indian Red” — …”

          Voeg – That’s not the first color they discontinued…when I was a child, there was one called “flesh” believe it or not! Yep, flesh colored meant caucasian flesh color! Don’t you remember that crayon? Cheers! q

  38. Uncle Vladdi says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    1.

    Re: ” I had realized that I didn’t need to look at things as black and white. I could leave Islam without dismissing it or labeling it as wrong.

    Going through all of these versions of Islam has enabled me to gain a more comprehensive understanding of the religion.

    2.

    Islam is no monolith, and with more than 1.5 billion followers, it’s impossible to refer to Islam as a single entity.

    There are Muslim women who cover every inch of their bodies except for their eyes, and there are also Muslim women who wear short skirts.

    With so much variation amongst Muslims, it’s hard to determine who really gets to speak for Islam.

    3.

    Despite being one of the fastest-growing religions in the world, Islam is still extremely misrepresented and shrouded with stereotypes. I want to address these stereotypes and portray Islam in all its diversity. I’ve experienced the religion firsthand and have also viewed it as an objective bystander.”

    ——-

    Just goes to show how libtarded immoral relativism and backwards syllogisms are still being “taught” (inflicted) on helpless students.

    Point 1: “There is no good or evil, because everything’s relative! Whee!”

    WRONG! Islam demands it’s holy mobster muslim crime-gang members should always attack all the non-muslims in the world first, to extort, enslave, and murder them simply for their “crime” of not being muslims. This is EVIL.

    After all, when one chooses to attack innocent others first, one’s own choice defines one as the predatory criminal aggressor, and they as one’s innocent victims – there’s no two ways or “it depends on your perspective” way about it!

    Therefore, it’s clear that “Muslims” are nothing more than criminals, pedophile murderers who dress up in the robes and beards of religious men, waving fake bibles, yelling about “god” to cover up their criminal natures to get closer to their victims.

    Point 2: “Islam isn’t monolithic because lots of people practice it differently!”

    WRONG AGAIN! Just because a certain number of people choose to ignore islam’s own, clearly-written commandments, doesn’t mean they are practicing it as intended.

    Point 3:

    “Stereotypes!”?

    Islam actually has a standard: Qur’an & Sunnah.

    Its what Moe said and did according to the oral traditions of his companions.

    2.85 prohibits dividing the Qur’an, its all or nothing.

    2.216 ordains Jihad for Muslims.

    8.39 commands perpetual war against pagans until Allah has a global monopoly.

    8.57 & 8.60 command terrorism.

    8.67 requires “great slaughter” as Moe’s price of admission to Allah’s celestial bordello.

    9.120 promises Brownie Points for any “step” taken to “injure or enrage” disbelievers.

    9.111 & 49.15 define believers as those who fight in Allah’s cause.

    33.21 sets up Moe as a role model for Muslims to emulate.

    Read the TOC of “The Life Of Muhammad” to see what he did. One attack every six weeks for the last decade of his life.

    A Muslim who does not support Jihad including terror as a battle tactic, is a hypocrite, 4.89, not a believer as described in 8.1-5, 9.111 & 49.15.

    3.110 makes Muslims out to be the “best of peoples for the people”. Sahih Bukhari 6.60.80 explains that they are the best as they drag us to Islam with chains on our necks.

    If they sincerely denounce terror, they are hypocrites or apostates, not Muslims.

    I direct your attention to “Reliance Of The Traveller” o8.0-8.7 which specifies the death penalty for any of a list of 20 attitudes and actions including denial of any part of the Qur’an. In this case 8.12, 57 & 60; 9.111, 120; 33.26-27 & 59.2.

    • quotha raven says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 7:34 pm

      Uncle Vlad – Re yrs above:

      Brilliant, concise and well-organized. I agree with every word. Cheers! Quotha

      • Uncle Vladdi says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 11:27 pm

        Thanks, you’re too kind (and I owe a lot of the ordered islamic quotes I just used, to Dajjal)!

        I was raised by secular atheist liberals, so I finally managed to suss out libtardation (if only for my own survival, to help with the inflicted migraines):

        http://unclevladdi.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/arguing-with-liberals-2/

        … and here:

        http://vladdi.wordpress.com/2013/12/21/liberalism-is-crime-by-definition/

        Njoi!

        😉

        • quotha raven says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 8:08 pm

          OT -Uncle Vlad – Nice blog. I am going to re-read the bits you referred me to, but for now, I just want to sail in and tell you I am VERY concerned about this “trade agreement” which most people misunderstand as a new law, which has (theoretically) to be studied, vetted and voted upon by Congress, as evidenced by many comments on the subject by the misinformed or simply foggy thinkers. Cheers! quotha

      • Dajjal says

        Jun 13, 2015 at 11:36 pm

        Don’t just agree, quotha, repeat it. Select, copy and save that cmnt. in a file for re-use and use it early and often. I gave Unk permission to re-use it and I give it to you and everyone else who agrees with it. Each one teach two!

        • quotha raven says

          Jun 14, 2015 at 1:20 am

          To Dajjal – I promise to do just that.

          And to Uncle – will check out tomorrow the links you provide – looking forward to it. Merci! and Cheers to you both. Quotha

  39. Linda Rivera says

    Jun 13, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    Her belief about Islam: “I plan to defend it and give credit where it’s due.”

    The hundreds of millions of non-Muslim innocents who have been barbarically slaughtered by cruel Muslims obeying bloodthirsty Quran commands to wage violent jihad and murder infidels would NOT agree with her beliefs about Islam and her plan to defend Islam.

    The millions of non-Muslim innocents who have been captured for slaves and sex slaves would NOT agree with her beliefs and her plan to defend Islam.

    She’s a deceiver and an APOLOGIST for barbaric Islam. I DON’T TRUST HER.

    • quotha raven says

      Jun 13, 2015 at 7:58 pm

      Linda R –

      Hmmm. Could be! Yours are thoughtful comments I always read with interest. If you are right, it’s ironic that the ultimate PCMC, diversity-celebrating, Marxian entity, UC Berkeley, pulled her article, non?)))))

      All very thought-provoking. Somebody at Berkeley has certainly thought it through in terms of legal liability to the University if publishing that editorial were to bring about any attack on or injuries to any students or other personnel… potential for lawsuits is daunting. So much for free speech.

      Keep up the good work, Linda.

      BTW, I wonder whether the student who wrote the article is intact. Wonder whether she ever addresses female genital mutilation in her balanced memoir to Islam.

      Cheers! Quotha

  40. dumbledoresarmy says

    Jun 15, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    I followed the link.

    Below the post by the atheist – who declares herself as having left Islam, which is a very significant step, despite her not yet being able to recognise just what a horrible mess the whole system is – there is anothe, clearer-sighted post that is worth reading.

    Here it is:

    “I’m from Pakistan and a closet atheist so I can understand her concerns for safety completely.

    “Like her I am from a moderate family, **but you have to understand that on some topics even the most moderate muslims are willing to kill, apostasy and blasphemy being the two major ones.** [nota bene – dda].

    ” Hell, even my father has threatened me from time to time about blasphemy and how I’m going on a dangerous path.”

    I don’t think the author of the featured post knows fully on what thin ice she’s skating…but this other commenter *does*, only too clearly.

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