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Video: Robert Spencer vs. imam on Hannity on Sharia and U.S. mosques

Jun 3, 2015 3:01 am By Robert Spencer

Last night I appeared on Fox’s Sean Hannity Show discussing the prevalence of a preference for Sharia over U.S. law among Muslims in the United States, and what mosques are doing (and not doing) about it. Appearing along with me was the Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi of the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, Michigan. We were discussing the video by Ami Horowitz in which Muslims freely avow their preference for Sharia; Hannity’s overview of that video and interview with Horowitz begin this clip and give the context for my discussion with the imam, which begins at 3:56.

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  1. Rev g says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 3:22 am

    Elahi used to write a column in the newspaper, haven’t noticed it of late.
    This was a typical example of Muslim answers to questioning. No answer, just hot air and accusations against any detractors. Monopolize the discussion to prevent dissemination of facts, as facts destroy their premises.

    • Lia Wissing says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 5:37 am

      Well said!

    • PRCS says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 11:15 am

      Such a common tactic; one that occasionally trips the liars up.

      In this Richard Dawkins YouTube video (in which he keeps asking Muslims what the punishment for apostasy is), the foolish Muslim man finally says (beginning at 6:55) that it is death–in Muslim countries. The problem with his answer, of course, is that their is no exception for geographical location. I have to wonder what the moronic hijabi thought when he finally told the truth.

  2. William Lucas Harvey Jr. says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 3:38 am

    “Robert Spencer vs. imam on Hannity on Sharia and U.S. mosques”.
    I saw that tonight.

    The Documehtry Video by Ami Horowitz, and Discussion with Robert Spencer, fully CLARIFIED without Question, how Muslims in America feel about America’s Constitution and obeying American Laws, versus Islamic Sharia Law.

    Well, TOUGH, as the Constitution IS the SUPREME LAW of the Land in America.

    That is until, America’s, VERY Obviously Pro Islam, Pro Muslim, VERY Seemingly Anti Constitution, Anti America, Anti Christian, Anti Israel, “Imperial” Potus, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., and HIS Administration, attempts to ILLEGALLY “Shred” and “Re-Write” it, by changing America’s Laws, unilaterally, through one of HIS Unlawful “Execitive Decrees”.
    Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi ‘s typical Muslim evasive B.S., was sooo LAUGHABLE.

    • AnneM says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 7:30 am

      ……And the Constitution will make its comeback soon. 2016 cannot get here soon enough!

      • Gary says

        Jun 3, 2015 at 8:46 am

        ABSOLUTELY!!!

        “Hope and Change”

        2017 can’t come soon enough!

        • particolor says

          Jun 3, 2015 at 6:23 pm

          2018 The Year of the CAMEL ! 🙂 🙂

  3. JayT says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 3:49 am

    Disgusting. Men and women have died by the hundreds of thousands in the Civil War to keep the U.S. whole and in WWI and WWII to keep America from being one of the last dominoes to fall from conquest minded countries like the Axis Powers. Along comes a bunch of refugees from a starving country where only the scavengers feeding on the corpses eat well to America the land of plenty by comparison. Then they get on camera and proclaim their love for a law from the stone ages and a country where piracy is the lucrative job to be had. Alas, they say all that on camera and won’t say that they are going back. Now as much as the U.S. taxpayer grumbles over gov’t spending that’s one cost we can all cheerfully contribute to – a plane ticket for them back to Somalia and revoke their citizenship.

  4. Cecilia Ellis says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 4:17 am

    Well done, Robert, well done! Your precise, documented response in the face of an almost hysterical imam was educational and demonstrative of the reality of what is occurring in 80% of the mosques throughout the United States. Specifically astute, your question to the imam regarding what program his mosque had to promote constitutional law culminated in the imam’s complete failure to answer the question. How could he respond to that? To have such a program would be non-Islamic.

    Hannity has a huge audience; you easily made your point, and you did so as a professional and as a gentleman, something which can not be said of the imam who was so uncomfortable that even his body language revealed his efforts to conceal the truth. A lot of Americans, as well as viewers from foreign countries, also watched this program. In those few minutes, you did more to expose the oppression inherent in sharia than have free-world political and religious leaders.

    Admittedly, I was hoping that Hannity would ask why the Muslims who preferred to live in Somalia just didn’t pack up and leave. Guess they read the Explanatory Memo on the Muslim Brotherhood in North America.

    Thanks for all that you do to confront this evil.

    • Norman Moffatt says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 5:39 am

      The only reason Muslims are in America and other Western countries because they have a dream that the whole world will one day be islamic. Muslims don’t immigrate without purpose, it’s not immigration it’s invasion. History is the educator, the islamic pattern has been the same since 622AD, start small and when the numbers are big enough takeover, Muhammad did it in Medina, started as one man, the rest is history.

  5. daniel sebold says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 4:44 am

    Look on the bright side. There are so many values that Muslims do share with Christians: the ostracism of gays, anti-feminism anti abortion–the churches are bringing in these people because they share the same Abrahamic values that they have. What better way to take on the American left than to import Muslim extremists, move them right into the liberal University of Minnesota neighborhood of Cedar Riverside and to have them threaten and harass gay students and liberal women students for their mini skirts?

    All of the bookstores that existed in that neighborhood years ago are long gone, replaced by people who share the values of the Christian right. So what if these Muslims take it a little farther than the Christians? That is the price you pay for bringing your eccentric religious friends into America. The main thing is to smash the American left–make them afraid to walk down the street at night.

    Down at Minnesota State University, Mankato, the good Christians in the administration there who attend churches that ban gay children–they love the Somali culture, have no moral reservations whatsoever that they mutilate the genitals of little girls. Well, why not? Mankato Christians mutilate the genitals of little boys. The Somalis just do it to their little girls instead. We can tolerate that.

    Weirdo football coaches who make videos of their little toddlers dancing naked in the living room is much more abhorrent than Somalis who mutilate their little girls genitals. Let’s welcome the Somalis and screw those creepy Scandinavian Americans for their godless, sinful child-rearing practices.

    • duh_swami says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 5:49 am

      So what if these Muslims take it a little farther than the Christians?

      Is that supposed to be satire? A little further?? …When Christians act up, it is in spite of Christianity, not because of it…When Mahoundians act up, it is because of Islam, not in spite of it’…

    • sheik yer'mami says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 7:58 am

      There is nothing ‘Abrahamic’ in Islam. There is no ‘Abrahamism’ either.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 8:32 am

      daniel sebold posted:

      “Look on the bright side. There are so many values that Muslims do share with Christians: the ostracism of gays, anti-feminism anti abortion”

      That’s odd. I could swear that nations build on Judaic-Christian values are the one where gay marriage is legal, feminists are free to burn bras if they choose to (and where people claiming to be feminists are free to demand gender based privileges under the guise of equality), and women are free to make an abortion.

      Tell us, daniel, where in the islamic world can a gay, feminist, women have an abortion if she’s raped and gets pregnant? Ha, ha, trick question – she’ll be stoned and, if the ruler is “merciful”, she’ll be allowed to live until the child is born and weaned.

      “the churches are bringing in these people because they share the same Abrahamic values that they have.”

      That’s odd, I thought immigration was regulated by the US government, not by churches.

      “What better way to take on the American left than to import Muslim extremists, move them right into the liberal University of Minnesota neighborhood of Cedar Riverside and to have them threaten and harass gay students and liberal women students for their mini skirts?”

      Actually, that’s an inversion of the truth. Lefties think that they’re sticking it sideways to the conservatives when they import people who don’t give a rat’s ass to US values by the tens of thousands. Then, when those imports act upon their values and culture, if conservatives try to raise awareness the lefties label them as “racist, islamophobic bigots”. Just look at the news. Who is constantly vilified for discriminating against gay people, muslims acting upon islamic tenets or Christian bakeries and flower shops?

      “All of the bookstores that existed in that neighborhood years ago are long gone, replaced by people who share the values of the Christian right.”

      Once again, replace “Christian right” with “liberal left” and you might have a point.

      “So what if these Muslims take it a little farther than the Christians? That is the price you pay for bringing your eccentric religious friends into America. The main thing is to smash the American left–make them afraid to walk down the street at night.”

      Once again, replace “left” by “right” and you might have a point.

      “Down at Minnesota State University, Mankato, the good Christians in the administration there who attend churches that ban gay children–they love the Somali culture, have no moral reservations whatsoever that they mutilate the genitals of little girls. Well, why not? Mankato Christians mutilate the genitals of little boys. The Somalis just do it to their little girls instead. We can tolerate that.”

      If you say so it must be true, right?

      “Weirdo football coaches who make videos of their little toddlers dancing naked in the living room is much more abhorrent than Somalis who mutilate their little girls genitals.”

      Both acts should be prosecuted under the law, although only one is the result of religious tenets.

      “Let’s welcome the Somalis and screw those creepy Scandinavian Americans for their godless, sinful child-rearing practices.”

      Once again, remember who decides on immigration policies.

      • Islam_Is_Islam says

        Jun 3, 2015 at 10:09 am

        @Angemon

        “That’s odd, I thought immigration was regulated by the US government, not by churches.”

        Perhaps what daniel sebold is aptly bemoaning are the facts that Ann Corcoran exposes at her Refugee Resettlement Watch blog. The “denomination in name only” “volunteer” NGOs like Lutheran Family Services or United States Conference of Catholic Bishops who set up refugee resettlement programs in local communities by bilking taxpayer funds and resources at ALL levels of government demonstrate the reality of how little regulation government has over immigration. AND how so-called Christian groups ARE importing and settling these Islamic believers throughout the US. The appearance is “Christian” support and government “regulation”, the reality is neither.

    • Don McKellar says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 9:46 am

      daniel sebold is a moslem. Only a moslem uses the nonsensical term Abrahamic. He was almost certainly a left-fascist who has tipped into becoming a moslem. We can tell that by his attempts to not address the topic of Islam by throwing in a whole bunch of attempts at “moral equivalence” crimes that some lunatic “Christians” commit. A tip for you, daniel: simply because a person commits an evil act, does not morally justify, nor make it more acceptable, for another person to commit an evil act. We are discussing Islam here. Let’s try and focus and stay on topic here. I know that’s hard for you, but make an effort.

    • Neil Jennison says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 10:32 am

      Utter bollocks! You cannot equate the belief that sex should only happen between a man and a woman in a monogamous marriage and that other sex acts are sinful, with a belief that people who engage in homosexual acts should be killed. You cannot equate a religion that teaches all sins are forgivable and compels its adherents to love everyone even its enemies with a religion that teaches the exact reverse.

  6. Aardvark says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 4:58 am

    “Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi of the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights, Michigan.”

    Islamic House of Wisdom? Really?

    ROFL!

    • particolor says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 6:03 am

      LMFAO 🙂 🙂 When I read that !!

  7. jdow says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 5:19 am

    Mr. Spencer, you looked a little under the weather during that interview. Please do take care of yourself and don’t overextend. And thanks for all your efforts. This was a good one. The message is starting to break through.

    {^_^}

  8. nacazo says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 5:22 am

    This imam must be shia since he doesn’t like Saudi Arabia. Question for the imam: Do you think cartoonist should be killed if they draw mo-ham-Ed?

    • Bob says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 10:49 am

      The name “Ali” is part of his name – which is a strong indication of being a Shia. Also, according to his bio, he was born in Iran. Yep – Shia.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 11:04 am

      He is from Iran. He served the Islamic Revolution by teaching “Islamic ethics” at the Iranian Naval Academy, then he was head of the “Cultural Research Center” which focused ensuring “Iranian sacrificial motivation” in the war against Iraq, propagandizing the “spiritual motivation” of the martyrs. He often visited the front lines. He learned English and ended up in Dearbornistan doing what you see now, teaching Islamic ethics (and probably the spiritual motivation of martyrdom as a bonus). Question for the government: why was he let into America?

  9. Michael Copeland says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 5:25 am

    Asking muslims what they want makes an interesting interview, but Islam is not defined by what muslims say they want. Islam is defined by its source texts. “Islam is Sharia, and Sharia is Islam”, explains Fouad Belkacem of Sharia4Belgium. Sharia is not optional: it is not something muslims can “want” or “not want”.

    “The Ummah [muslim community] possesses no power except to acknowledge and obey.”

    announced Dr. Salah al-Sawy, the secretary-general of the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America in a “fatwa”, a legally binding opinion (AMJA), 28 March 2011. He cited the Koran as his authority:

    “It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path”
    Koran 33:36, part of Sharia law.
    See “Islam: The Learning Curve” at LibertyGB
    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/4402-islam-the-learning-curve

  10. wallace says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 5:59 am

    I loved watching the goat faced immam rocking back and forward in his chair, babbling. It sure is a hard job trying to defend the indefensible. Well done yet again Robert for keeping the slimy reptiles on the ropes.

  11. duh_swami says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 6:03 am

    The Imam looked like he wished he were somewhere else…I would be better if Hannity just let Robert debate a little with the Imam, instead of butting in…The Imam was out numbered and that was confusing him. I don’t see where hanging around the Islamic house of wisdom, is doing him any good. If he was wise, he would have worn a suit and tie, instead of that ridiculous hat…

    • Westman says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 11:33 am

      Did you ever see the Pope not wearing white clothing and a distinctive cap? The Imam may see himself as a budding Pope-like figure for American Islam? However, there is no washed white in the blood of the Lamb in Islam, and the Imam isn’t singing Blue Suede Shoes.

  12. AJW Liverpool says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 6:10 am

    Another frustrating interview where the Muslim redirects and muddies the topic at hand, ignores questions, talks over other speakers, etc. Never seem to actually answer questions directly. They could teach politicians a thing or two about evasiveness.

    The only person who seems to be honest (!) is Anjem Choudary. The one (and only) thing i like about him, is he is completely open and unapologetic about Islam and its real motives. In my view, they should wheel this guys out EVREYWHERE as he has probably done more to wake Left / Liberals up to the real Islam, than 10 Robert Spencers. After all, a Leftist / Liberal might see Robert and filter out anything he says, regardless of how logical it is, simply because they see a white man and think: right wing, Islamophobe etc. BUT – if they listen to Choudary for any length of time, they can’t help but feel conflicted (“what am I trying to defend here” etc).

    Hope this makes sense!

  13. particolor says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 6:16 am

    Hat ?? I thought it was an Ancient Stone Cooking Pot !!

  14. Tim says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 7:53 am

    I am so tired of listening to this “Muslims don’t integrate in Europe” as if Europe is to blame. Muslims don’t integrate in the US either. They don’t integrate in Canada, in Australia, in New Zealand, in Burma, in Rusisa, in Africa, in India. Muslims are handed EVERYTHING they ask for in Europe. They are given any tool they wish to get highly educated, get good jobs – FOR FREE. But they have no respect for anyone no matter what. Their lack of intergration has nothing to do with the society they live in. It is Islamic culture to despise, degrade and hate non-Muslims.

  15. Tim says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 8:02 am

    Hannity never allows the Muslims to finnish a sentence. He needs to let them finnish their sentences because then people will truly hear how insane they are. To constantly interrupt them is not helping to expose Islam.

    • Gary says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 8:59 am

      Great point! Let them ramble on and spew their…. “Belief system”

      “You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.”

      Matthew 12:34

      Jesus could pick out the liars in the, “Religious World”, we would be wise to do the same.

  16. Theodoric says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 8:39 am

    The vile “Prophet” Muhammad’s Shariamonster, also known as “Islam,” wants to decapitate our freedom of speech. Muhammad himself had his critics murdered – and Muhammad’s Shariamonster has never ceased to follow his barbaric “Excellent Example.”

    Will Americans stand with the Founding Fathers, who wrote the Bill of Rights for the Land of the Free – or will we stand with the vile “Prophet” Muhammad’s vile Shariamonster which brings oppression and violence wherever it goes?

    Let’s stand with the Founding Fathers – and not with the cowardly idiots who would have us discard our most precious freedom.

    Say “NO” To Muhammad’s Shariamonster, and say “NO” to Islam!

    https://drawthevileprophet.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/say-no-to-muhammad-s-shariamonster/

  17. Prinz Eugen says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 8:40 am

    Sultan Barry wants more of these anti-US third world losers here to change the USA. And the GOP congress is in full lock step with Barry’s “transformation” of the US into a sharia-compliant moslem state.

    So much “injustice” – — so much subversion and totalitarianism running to take hold in the USA.

  18. Gary says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 8:41 am

    “Aaaaaah I prefer Sharia Law”

    Did you hear the hesitation in their voices?

    What they won’t tell you for fear of being found out. (That and they’ve been brainwashed their whole lives):

    You can check out, but you can NEVER leave.

  19. Draki says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 8:42 am

    Morning news update! Someone got arrested…. http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2015/06/cair-official-ahmad-saleem-arrested-in.html It’s so nice that being muslim is illegal in America.

  20. Isabellathecrusader says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 8:59 am

    Dear Robert,

    I love your smiling face in that video. Truth really does set you free, doesn’t it?

    I believe the average American is becoming weary of the incessant Muslim whining that passes for debate in this country. I’m not saying that every American has woken up and smelled the coffee yet, but the whining is getting really old. We’re tired of being lied to and when we hear an Imam who was asked a specific question about the adherence of Sharia law, something that he of all people is well versed in, obfuscate and wring his hands and whine about how mean everybody is to the poor marauding Muslims, I just want to get up and go over and slap his face for him. I know I’m not the only one. Like my kids when they were little, Muslims need to be taught to behave. If they won’t, we will have to fight our Revolutionary War all over again to throw off the chains of oppression that are no longer coming at us from England but have taken on a decidedly Middle Eastern and foreign-to-our-sensibilities flavor. Bring it on and let’s get it over with.

    • particolor says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 6:28 pm

      Make My Day ! Bitch Slap The Imam ! 🙂

  21. traci94 says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 9:04 am

    This Imam would not directly answer the question. Mr. Spencer clearly presented facts, and all this Imam could do is accuse him of Islamophobia. That kind of accusation, which is asserted by Muslims time and time again, serves only as a means to deflect answering the questions and to silence any true, serious discussion. It is not Islamophobic to speak the truth about Islam; it is not Islamophobic to quote true, accurate results of studies. They seem to think that ANY statement against Islam is Islamophobic, even if it is absolutely, 100% truth. But, even if Islamophobia was an actual, real term, and I don’t think it is, I submit that there are reasonable, very real reasons to fear Islam, so that term is just inadequate. I want a better term that accurately describes someone who has justifiable reasons to fear Islam. Of course it is reasonable to fear a religion/political ideology that wants to dominate, that is against American values, that subjugates women and considers them less valuable than men, that punishes apostates with death, that wants to kill someone who draws a cartoon and on and on and on. What are we supposed to do? Welcome that? I agree with Shawn, if people can not come here and be willing to assimilate and actually become American citizens and VALUE our freedoms, they should not be able to come here at all, and our immigration system is an absolute travesty for continuing to let me in without properly vetting them. In fact, I think that until we can get this terrorism stuff better under control, we should have a complete moratorium on immigration. America is under no obligation to let people in here, especially those who want to come here and subjugate us to their laws and way of life.

  22. Grumpyoldguy says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 9:17 am

    As usual, Robert more than held up his end of the discussion. The imam fell flat on his face with his obfuscation and histrionics. Another poster mentioned Hannity’s need to constantly interrpt, which I too find annoying and counterproductive. Hannity’s loves to hear himself talk. (like Bill O’Reilly)

    Even more annoying, and maddening…is Hannity’s constant references to Mo as a ‘prophet’. He is islam’s prophet only. He doesn’t pass the smell test as a true prophet, and those in the media should never elevate him to that level.

  23. EUCLID says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 9:17 am

    As Robert Spencer demonstrated Muslims are unable to form a constructive counter argument to a logical and well reasoned one. There simply isn’t one. So they resort to what the Koran commands them to do; use deceit, lies etc. otherwise known as taqqiya.

  24. peter fleming says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 9:21 am

    I love seeing Robert on FoxNews. I admire Hannity for having him on increasingly more often.
    What I don’t like is Hannity’s, “DOG AND PONY”, “BAIT AND SWITCH”, act that he puts on,
    night after night, pitting one good guy against a bad guy (socialist or muslim) and allowing the bad guy to talk incessantly, interrupting the good guy. NOT ALLOWING THE GOOD GUY TO FINISH HIS SENTENCES.
    The way Hannity designs these sessions, there are never any conclusions made, the argument is ALWAYS
    purposely left, up in the air. A confusion; that is Hannity, a confusion maker, a teaser, a sensationalist
    (not as bad, of course, as a socialist or communist.) For all the good he does, I object to Hannity’s tactics.

    • Draki says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 10:16 am

      Yeah it was a great video. The imam seemed to be his own worst enemy really.

  25. Don McKellar says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 9:58 am

    I notice the filmmaker grew a quickie beard when he was interviewing them. Smart move. That will make a moslem let down their guard. No doubt the interviewer also did some other things to drop clues that he was a moslem himself. Otherwise these moslems would be far more reluctant to speak honestly.

    A superb takedown of this Imam — hardly the slickest moslem conman. I love how he tries to attack Robert Spencer’s character instead of addressing the question, and is utterly stomped on for doing so.

  26. Walter Sieruk says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 10:20 am

    With this it’s worth noting that Theodore Roosevelt has a good point then he stated “There can be no fifty – fifty Americanism in this country. There is room here for one- hundred percent Americanism, only for those who are Americans and nothing else.”

  27. St. Patrick says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 10:39 am

    I’d would have loved to hear Robert play sax to Wet Willie’s “Keep On Smilin'” after that floor mopping of this babbling imambecile..Good one Robert!

    • mortimer says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 10:50 am

      Agree. Apologists of Islam ALWAYS lose when facing a well-informed debater using FACTS and CRITICAL THOUGHT.

      Islam cannot be defended successfully in a debate. That’s why about one million mullahs refuse to debate Robert Spencer.

      • Shane says

        Jun 3, 2015 at 10:55 am

        It is stupid to allow Muslims to immigrate into the West, and it is insane to allow immigration from Muslim countries like Somalia where jihad and sharia law are so popular.

        • mortimer says

          Jun 3, 2015 at 11:02 am

          Muslims are not suitable immigrants because they are all SUPREMACISTS. In other words, they want to overthrow the US constitution and ESTABLISH THE RELIGION OF ISLAM as the OFFICIAL religion of the USA…thus overthrowing the US constitution.

          If they do not wish to overthrow the US constitution, they have left orthodox Islam and become Islamic ‘DEVIANTS’ or ‘HYPOCRITES’ (munafiqoon).

        • Mike Cathcart says

          Jun 3, 2015 at 11:18 am

          NOT with all. My extended family in UK are Pakistan Muslims, their children are UK children, educated in UK, friends are British and they are British, caught up with a language of hate which involves them BUT does not address their problem of hearing too many adverse comments on three lovely children. I’m pleased to call the MY grandchildren. Emjay See – British alias I’m afraid to avoid spiteful comments

        • voegelinian says

          Jun 3, 2015 at 2:07 pm

          I’m afraid “Mike Cathcart” is not a reliable character reference for his Pakistani Muslim family — for three reasons:

          1) We have no reliable way to tell which ostensibly harmless Muslims are lying and which are not lying.

          2) Any indigenous Brit whose family has become enmeshed with Pakistani Muslims, as has the family of “Mike Cathcart” by his own proud admission, is ipso facto unreliable, for it should be a matter of axiomatic principle in the Counter-Jihad to conclude that any Westerner who voluntarily and proudly enmeshes his family with Muslims through marriage and children etc. is either a) deeply PC MC; b) a brain-dead schizophrenic or c) a traitor to the West.

          3) The testimony of some anonymous chatter (he may yet insist that he is “really” “Mike Cathcart” and I can insist that I am really Napoleon Bonapart…) — especially about a matter of such moment — is woefully inadequate, to say the least.

  28. wildjew says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 10:42 am

    Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi kept repeating (especially at the end), “If that’s the case Mr. Spencer, why are we supporting Saudi Arabia, why are we supporting Saudi Arabia….?”

    Indeed. Why?

    • mortimer says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 10:47 am

      We are strategic allies with Soddy Barbaria and Western countries constantly are after them about human rights.

      Soddy Barbaria will never be a free country as long as Islam is practiced there. Obviously, they would be insignificant camel jockeys without the oil.

      • bobm says

        Jun 3, 2015 at 11:07 am

        With respect Mortimer; when they entered India and 80 million died; there was no oil….this abomination islam is rooted and grounded in the spirit of fear … it is a huge principality… the antidote is in Christ… if any man be in Christ he is a new creation…. he is no longer a slave to the spirit of fear.

        • Bettina says

          Jun 5, 2015 at 4:06 pm

          Bob, as a Jew, regardless of what bloodthirsty Christians did to my people from time immemorial, from the crusades to the inquisition to the czarist animals who practiced ethnic cleansing in countless pogroms,
          I am still fond of your Christ and appreciate his loving wisdom as one very enlightened rabbi. Regardless of how much his followers practiced violent anti-Semitism.
          So there! 🙂

    • particolor says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 8:24 pm

      Message from Saudi’s…. We have run out of Oil !
      Answer from America…. Piss Off !
      🙂

  29. TheBuffster says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 10:42 am

    It’s interesting seeing this interview of this imam at a time when I’m reading “A Simple Koran” complied by Bill Warner. (For anyone who doesn’t know, that’s the chapters of the Koran put in chronological order, with the relevant Hadith/Sira material included, so that you get the historical context of what was going on when the “revelations” came out of Mohammad’s mouth.)

    The striking thing is how, when Mohammad is asked questions – perfectly reasonable questions that any honest questioner might ask – “Allah”, through Mohammad, gives as proof of Mohammad’s claims astonishingly irrelevant logical fallacies. His answers amount to Allah made everything, and it’s perfect – see, there’s not even a crack in the sky – and Mohammad is his prophet and if you don’t believe Mohammad without asking all these unbelieving questions then I’m sending you to hell and all the Muslims will get to laugh at your tortured suffering on judgement day while they’re lounging in luxury. SO SHUT UP!!!

    You can see why the kaffirs made snide comments and scoffed and laughed, with Mohammad giving his kind of replies to reasonable questions.

    Mohammad’s trick is to delegitimize the challenger in the eyes of the gullible followers, using fallacious nonsense that can fool only those who want to be fooled.

    So it’s no surprise that this imam doesn’t do any better. A man of wisdom and reason would have not had to use an appeal to pity to deflect Sean’s first question or ad hominem to avoid answering Robert, as Imam Mohammad Ali Elahi did. Instead, he would have a straightforward answer to his challengers.

    His attempt to cover his rational inadequacy is as transparent as Mohammad’s in the Koran and Hadith. I suppose if it’s good enough for Mohammad, it’s good enough for an imam. Although this imam does a bit better, in my opinion, than Mohammad. At least Elahi doesn’t try to deflect criticism of Islam by telling Robert that he’s going to Hell.

    • mortimer says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 10:57 am

      Islam is defended by circular fallacies and the ever-present Fallacy of the Sword (‘believe this is true or I’ll kill you’).

      If Mohammed applied for a job, he would say, ‘Here’s my resumé. This Gabriel says you should hire me.’ The interviewer would reply, ‘But I know nothing about you and no one has seen Gabriel.’ To which Mohammed sez, ‘Oh, you can trust Gabriel…he’s an angel only I can see.’

    • voegelinian says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 2:13 pm

      “At least Elahi doesn’t try to deflect criticism of Islam by telling Robert that he’s going to Hell.”

      The imam would like to, but figuratively speaking he’s still in Medina and he and his people haven’t yet returned in triumph to Mecca — i.e. the imam is in a situation where he still has to practice various forms of deceit.

      • particolor says

        Jun 3, 2015 at 6:54 pm

        Islamic Friendship Society of Australia ? 🙂 🙂

    • Arthur says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 10:36 pm

      Nice post Buffster.

    • Bettina says

      Jun 5, 2015 at 4:10 pm

      A Simple Koran — got it! Will check with library or ask them to purchase it. Thank you for what appears to be a good tip 🙂

      • TheBuffster says

        Jun 6, 2015 at 6:58 am

        Bettina – You can find “A Simple Koran” here: http://www.cspipublishing.com/

        • Bettina says

          Jun 6, 2015 at 4:32 pm

          Great site, great publisher, Buffster! It’s in my favorites now! Purely dedicated to Islamic books. I’m buying from them, now!
          Thanks so much! Sure hope others here will dip into this awesome publisher to increase knowledge.

  30. mortimer says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 10:43 am

    A preference for Sharia law over American law is the POINT. It means a preference for: head chopping, hand chopping, stoning, wife-beating, jizzya, censorship, religious discrimination & repression, warfare against the kufaar, subjugation of non-Muslims, destruction of art & music, no dogs, tortured meat, loud speakers everywhere blasting Islamic calls to ‘success’ (actually call to ‘failure’), etc.

    In other words, they are asking for all the prosperity and freedom of America, in addition to all the repression of Islam…recreating Berzeristan…The United States of Berzerkistan.

  31. Agent of Liberty says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 10:51 am

    There is no clearer reason why islam is ILLEGAL and unconstitutional and why Islam should be banned.
    Muslims want to take over our country and they’ll do and say anything to do it. It is treasonous for our government, congress to allow islam to exist here!

  32. bobm says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 10:52 am

    Islamic discourse bears the same characteristics of any cancer siege; it seeks to saturate.. deceive, draw into ambush , use its hosts or preys defense against itself, shape-shift, obfuscate, draw attention to itself like a black hole draws matter. It is an alien spirit to the Truth ; building snares for the fearful…like themselves… they are doomed even at their own hand.. This spiritual ant Crist is at root a lie.. as such its end is Written ……Stand firmly therefore in the Truth which is in Christ Jesus.. and you will bear much Good fruit… do not be drawn into their judgment.. it comes speedily…Maranatha.

    • the truth says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 8:01 pm

      they are the BORG, they come to assimilate all

  33. KelZat says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 11:03 am

    All of these apologists sound like whiny children who stamp their feet and say ‘not fair’ when they’re caught doing something wrong or teenagers who are having a tantrum when they don’t get their way. Entirely immature and self absorbed in their thinking. The more they speak, the more their false claims of ‘Islamophobia’ are shown to be nothing but a campaign of disinformation.

    • particolor says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 8:04 pm

      Islamic Conquistadors !! 🙁

  34. Gregory says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 11:32 am

    When I was a boy, we learned that new immigrants had to renounce all allegiance to all foreign powers and potentates.

    • particolor says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 7:46 pm

      Yeah !! Well things have changed !! Now put that Bacon Roll in the Dirt Tin !! 🙁

  35. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 11:42 am

    Man, I cannot tell you how significant it is to have Spencer and Geller on major TV news entertainment programs. Maybe there *is* hope, maybe there is room for factual reality to pop up on the 24/7 news cycle every now and then.

  36. Darren says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    Well I found a story linked to this mosque from 2004.

    Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts Promote Radical Islam

    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004/05/boy-scouts-and-girl-scouts-promote-radical

  37. Grumpyoldguy says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 12:24 pm

    First off, apologies for the typos in my initial post. Fat fingers, and a tiny phone keyboard aren’t good combination.

    And perhaps some of the Muslims in this thread could answer a question for me…as a white, Christian American citizen, would you let me come into one of your mosques so I can hear what you preach? If not, why not?

    *hint* If you say no…I’ll sue for discrimination based on my religion.

  38. Georg says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    Wow, is this video just brimming over with win. Just outstanding, as usual.

    The statistic brought up about 80% of mosques teaching what is essentially anti-Americanism within U.S. borders was/is simply devastating to the neolib narrative. It is simply outrageous and indefensible. Robert offers a touching quip about his parents coming here and being proud to be American which is met with the usual Muslim shifting around, “buts”, and all other equivocation and dissimulation.

    I involuntarily burst out laughing at “Islamic Wisdom Institute”– talk about reverse psychology, oxymoron, etcetera. I think that guy’s turban had a couple too many tight wraps depriving his frontal lobe. The halal miasma was thick with this one.

    And yet, the funniest part was Robert saying, “Excuse me.” This unapologetic fact-barrage resulted in the Ali-shuffle the World needs to see.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 1:20 pm

      Again, the biggest win of all is that Spencer is on a major national TV program. If you look at the culture generally, you can’t do anything without exposure because you must get some form of bandwidth to gain entry into the brains of the population. The more the better.

      Nowadays I turn on my TV and there’s over here is Geller and over there is Spencer. Times are good, in a manner of speaking.

      My only complaint is that Spencer always seems to be paired on TV with some Imam or another. It’d be *much* more effective to have him interviewed by the news entertainer hosting him, Hannity for example. Hell, half of Spencer’s time is eaten up by overtalk from the hairy Imam with the funny cap. I’m beginning to suspect that the Central CAIR PR Skill Dispensary has put out a PowerPoint with an interviewing program based on a study of Alan Colmes and distributed it to every hairy Imam and earnest Moslima in the television world.

      • Georg says

        Jun 3, 2015 at 1:52 pm

        Absolutely correct about the need for dispersing the message, and for that we should be thankful to Hannity. It can become tiresome, for sure, to always see Robert paired with some Looney Tune as it can descend into Islamic chicanery, but I see it as necessary at least some of the time. Hopefully there will be more one-on-one’s, as there have been with Pamela.

        *I mentioned Robert’s parents as being immigrants, and meant grandparents. And botched the name of “The Islamic Wisdom Institute”, about which it turns out I don’t care. When Robert said “Excuse me” I found it humorous as it almost seemed more like a metaphorical or figurative “Excuse me” to the totality of their nonsense. But of course the subject is all deadly serious, and that reality was handily addressed and confronted (however much Ali shuffled) as well.

        • Georg says

          Jun 3, 2015 at 1:55 pm

      • steve says

        Jun 3, 2015 at 4:48 pm

        Yes they have no respect for dialogue and no attempt at consideration of debate. Islamic minds if you pardon the expression all seem already made up. It’s like talking to a fence post that babbles.

        • Georg says

          Jun 3, 2015 at 5:01 pm

          Yes, it’s called dogma.

  39. voegelinian says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    At the beginning of the newscast, Sean Hannity says that the new report “reveals that some American Muslims living in Minneapolis” want Sharia law/” [my emphasis] Some minutes into the newscast, his guest who made the video report says that all the Muslims he interviewed want to go back to Somalia. Not “some” — all. And they don’t want to go back to Somalia for the sandwiches.

    Secondly, however, we should not hastily conclude that just because those Muslims were honest enough to express their preference for Somalia over America, this necessarily means they are not here as part of the Jihad of the Feet, the Hijra of protracted immigration infiltration that is one important part of the overall puzzle of Islamic conquest of “Rome” (i.e., us).

    • voegelinian says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 1:57 pm

      I.e., those Muslims in the piece are doing their small but important part in the grand scheme to turn America into Somalia (to wit, to Islamize America).

  40. somehistory says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    Saw the segment last night. As usual, the muslim tried to avoid the questions asked of him and talked over the host and Mr. Spencer, as he made the expected statements about being muslim and American and, yada yada, lie, yada, lie, lie.

    What also is ridiculous is the islamic house of “wisdom.” No, it is a beastly house of satanic inspired nonsense and lies.
    As Mr. Spencer pointed out, 80 % of the barracks in the U.S. are built and funded by SA and teach jihad which 80% of muslims believe and with which they agree.

    (Revelation 13)

  41. somehistory says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    The muslim is between a *rock and a hard place* in that he says muslims in America are between those who are *islam o phobic*…how I hate that term because it is so full of evil…and those like isis and the other terror groups.

    He wants to be able to say there is nothing to fear from islam…the whole *rop* thingy…and yet, there are those many, many, many in the *tiny minority*…that is growing by the day and night…who are causing much fear and terror throughout the world. And this muslim knows full well that the *tiny but growing minority* have it right and there is much to fear that they will gain here in the U.S. and more infidels will see clearly what islam truly is. A beast of satan, a whole house of lies, a murdering cult that intends to rule the world.
    He finds it impossible…due to those telling the truth here…and those who are acting it out everywhere else (and sometimes here, too) to continue to pull the dirty wool over the eyes of non-muslims.

  42. steve says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    Keep the calip’ hate out of America!

  43. Loach says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 6:26 pm

    If they wonted to live in Somalia . They should all stop giving out about America and just move other there. If America is not careful it will end up like Europe and be second class citizens in there own country .

    • particolor says

      Jun 3, 2015 at 6:39 pm

      You were from the minute the first Mongrel stepped ashore ! 🙁

  44. R Cole says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    With migrating Muslim communities there is often a hew hundred people – and then all of a sudden there are these elaborate plans to build a mega mosque. You need to ask where is the money coming from to fund such constructions – particularly where many of the mosque goers are on modest incomes.

    Then once they have the mosque – there is a whole effort that follows to change the community to an Islamic one.

    If Muslims object to shared swimming – why don’t they also build their own pools. If they only want halal meals served – why don’t they also build schools – instead of trying to impose sharia – religious restrictions on the general population.

    ::

    Western society is going to need ask some tough questions about Islamic immigration.

    Thankfully human nature is the biggest kid on the block when it comes to the Islamic practice.

    ::

    As CAIR has stated – ‘that although they want sharia in the US – they would not take up arms to fight for it’. The issue with this is that – sharia is the ultimate aim for both the terrorists and Islamist groups such as CAIR – if any one of these Islamic factions reaches their goal – it would not bode well in terms of rights and freedoms for non-Muslim. Sharia rewards adherence to Islam and punishes [amputations, beheadings and the like] and penalizes [subjugating /second class status for the non-Muslim] non-adherence.

    Under Sharia

    Equality and the rights of man would no longer be inalienable – these will be dependent upon one’s faith – sharia law would give priority to those who follow or become members of the Islamic faith.

    ::

    It’s Personal

    Forget about the rights of Muslim women ~ they consent to Islamic law. The Prophet Muhammad tells them they are like a dog or a donkey ~ and they are happy!! Their men can rape [non-Muslim women as a weapon of war] and sleep with dead women [when conditions are right – of course] – nothing bothers them – of the acts Muhammad engaged in or abuse he threw at womankind. When their eyes are open to this – they only see perfection – in Muhammad and his laws.

    The non-Muslims though don’t give consent – they are forcibly subjugated [Koran 9:29] – and made to live under the butt end of Islamic rule.

    Point to one place in the Muslim world where Christians are equal to Muslims – under sharia based laws.

    Find one place!!

    No ~ it’s not Indonesia – Christians have to hold sermons in the church yards as their church permits are revoked and are forcibly closed….

    No ~ it’s not Egypt – practicing Christians of all ages – even adult ones have been forcibly converted to Islam – because their Christian fathers’ converted – and adult children jailed [their Christian marriages annulled] for not practicing their religion of Islam. [In one such case – the Egyptian court ruled that the Christian’s unborn grandchildren and their children should also be Muslim.]

    No ~ not the Maldives – no non-Muslim citizens allowed and to call someone a ‘Christian’ is akin to a racial slur.

    No ~ not Pakistan ~ it could possibly be that to take a Christian life – is not even considered outside of the law.

    Even in former Syria – Christians were treated ‘okay’ [thanks to a leader that loved himself above all else] – but if a Christian from one denomination tried to marry a Christian from another – under Syrian law – they would both first need to convert to Islam. And then naturally no one is allowed to leave Islam!! These Islamic laws have seriously impacted communities of are ancient Christian groups there.

    No ~ not Turkey ~ they confiscate Christian lands – even those with monasteries that have been in use longer than Islam has existed.

    And look what centuries of this subjugation and forcible conversions of non-Muslims has brought the Islamic world – it’s a disaster. But for Muslims – outside of a few financial issues [which they have to immigrate to the west for] – it looks like paradise.

  45. Wellington says

    Jun 3, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    Yet again, whenever a Muslim speaks (as here) it does NOTHING to convince people of sense and knowledge that Islam is compatible with liberty.

    I have NEVER heard a defense of Islam, not one damn time, that made me conclude that Islam is compatible with the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the American Constiuttion, which amendments guarantee respectively freedom and equality under the law. Yes, NOT ONE DAMN TIME!

  46. freedixie says

    Jun 4, 2015 at 8:49 am

    No room for Islam in America. It goes against everything this country was founded upon. Assimilate, or go back to your cesspool countries.

  47. Imran Khan says

    Jun 4, 2015 at 9:57 am

    I am a secular, modern Muslim who believe in the US Constitution. Basically US made a huge blunder in allowing Muslims of all types, Jihadists, Salafists, MB, Jamat Islami, Khomenists Shias,Islamic fundoos etc to come here en masse.

    What were the US Govt expecting, that once these die hard fanatics come to US and see the wonderful USA they will immediately convert to modern, secular human beings, believing in separation of church and state? How stupid and self destructive and delusional on the US part. On the other hand with complete religious freedom here, these Islamist fundoos became all the more fanatic and fascist.

    The US must allow ONLY a few selected secular minded, modern, Muslims who believe in the rule of law, in US Constitution and separation of religion from state to come here. That should be the criteria for migration. Otherwise the Muslim fanatics, with hijabs and beards will use your laws, your courts, your facilities your freedoms to destroy you gradually and impose their barbarism on Americans.

    • Angemon says

      Jun 4, 2015 at 11:50 am

      Imran Khan posted:

      “What were the US Govt expecting, that once these die hard fanatics come to US and see the wonderful USA they will immediately convert to modern, secular human beings, believing in separation of church and state?”

      That seems to be the case. I’d wager the people in charge are the result of an educational system teaching that all cultures and religions fundamentally teach the same and one can take an individual from some God forsaken village in Asia, place him in, for example, New York, and he’ll be indistinguishable from a bred and born New Yorker. That kind of colorblindness prevents the decision makers from telling between the green “Everything is OK” light and the red “DANGER!!! DANGER!!!” light.

  48. Jeff says

    Jun 4, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    Michael Savage is absolutely right in his analysis!

  49. Larry A. Singleton says

    Jun 5, 2015 at 7:24 am

    I can’t wait to get his UN documentary.

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