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Florida gun store bans Muslims in wake of Chattanooga jihad attack

Jul 22, 2015 4:31 pm By Ralph Sidway

This reminded me of a story from last September about an Arkansas Gun Range banning Muslims. No doubt there are others making the same decision. Hallinan’s story is especially important because of his explicit citation of federal law to back up his position.

By banning the sale of guns to Muslims who interpret the Koran literally, Florida Gun Supply owner Andrew Hallinan says he wants to “offend as many people as [possible]” in hopes of “[starting] a conversation about the political correctness that… [is] causing loss of life that we could prevent if we looked at Islam for what it is.”

This is wholly reasonable, and Hallinan’s position deserves serious consideration. Background checks on firearms purchases could also look for links between Muslims and radicalized mosques with known ties to Islamic terrorism, whether through jihad terrorists associated with the mosques, or through jihad financing trials in which they are implicated. There certainly are plenty of such links to investigate.

Hallinan gives himself ample maneuvering room by noting that “the ATF expressly gives me the right and authority to deny service to anybody that I feel is a threat for any reason.”

For this very reason, all Muslims seeking to purchase firearms or earn pilots licenses should come under increased scrutiny. More and more Muslims in the U.S. already are committing jihad terrorist acts. Since Islam is proven to be the sole constant motivating these followers of Muhammad and the Koran, our nation is fitfully starting to have this “conversation,” which boils down to, “How do we deal with a militant, adversarial religious ideology in our midst, which has fourteen centuries of aggression and conquest behind it, and whose founder, holy books and most zealous adherents call for our overthrow?”

“Florida Gun Store Owner Bans Muslims in wake of Chattanooga Attack,” by AWR Hawkins, Breitbart News, July 21, 2015:

Florida Gun Supply owner Andrew Hallinan is instituting a ban on selling guns to Muslims who interpret the Koran literally. In making the announcement, he declared his store a “Muslim-free zone.”

His ban also covers any training or services Muslims might have otherwise received.

Hallinan announced the ban in front of a Confederate flag and told CNN he wanted the announcement to “offend as many people as [possible]” in hopes of “[starting] a conversation about the political correctness that has become overly extreme here in the United States and [is] causing loss of life that we could prevent if we looked at Islam for what it is.”

CNN’s Carol Costella responded by saying, “I’m all for conversation, alright, but you’re going one step farther–you’re banning Muslims who follow the Koran from your store. How do you determine which Muslim follows the Koran?”

Hallinan responded by admitting that it is going to be a difficult ban to enforce at all times, precisely because of the difficulty of ascertaining who follows the Koran literally and who doesn’t.

He then said:

I can’t, by law, ask each and every person who comes through my doors what their religious background is. But the ATF expressly gives me the right and authority to deny service to anybody that I feel is a threat for any reason. And it happens on weekly basis that we have people come through the gun shop [and] they pass their background check but they seem a little off. And we make a determination on a case by case basis whether or not we’re going to arm and train these people.

Costella asked Hallinan if he would deny services to “white supremacists” as well, and Hallinan said he “won’t arm and train anyone from the KKK” or “someone from a white supremacy movement or anything like that.”

 

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  1. Champ says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    Good for him! An idea whose time has come, and I hope many others follow his example.

    obama claims …”We are not at war with islam.”

    But islam is at war with us.

    • Bamaguje says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 4:58 pm

      Expect the lamestream media, Obama’s DOJ and other traitorous Muslim apologists to come out of the woodwork and denounce Andrew Hallinan as a racist Islamophobe.
      What more, he had the gumption to pose in front of the much demonized Confederate flag.

      • Kerry says

        Jul 23, 2015 at 11:46 am

        I completely stand behind his stance! He has every right to deny these extremists the means and skills to attack the general public. I’m a born and bred Canadian man and I actively support our own desire to put these idiots out of business..for GOOD!

    • TediNeo98 says

      Jul 23, 2015 at 4:46 am

      Spot on Champ

      • Lia Wissing says

        Jul 23, 2015 at 6:10 am

        Fullest support! Good man, Mr Hallinan!

    • ninetyninepct says

      Jul 23, 2015 at 11:06 am

      A little confusion here – he can refuse service at a gun shop but a bakery is charged and fined because they didn’t want to serve somebody? What bullshit. Any business can refuse service or sales to anybody. Period. The cake shop’s mistake was refusing because of religious beliefs. They should just have said NO.

  2. miriamrove says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    Yes. I saw this, He is getting a lot of heat as well. I am sure the followers of the co called religion of peace have made peaceful threats to him. m

  3. Liam1304 says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    I love this guy!

    It sounds perfectly reasonable and responsible to me.

    Naturally he’ll be attacked from all sides in 3…2…1…

    • cs says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 5:36 pm

      Some good common sense finally arriving.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 6:08 pm

      Naturally he’ll be attacked from all sides in 3…2…1…

      Uh oh, here comes the explosive phenomenon of Infidels stooping to reality. I was afraid of this.

      It is no longer desirable or legal to diverge from the moral commands of our delusional ruling elite; now one must comply with their fantasies, or else.

      After this dude is run out of business, maybe he can open a wedding cake shop catering to a certain niche. Niche marketing, that’s where it’s at now. Guns are an unhip every day commodity, and may soon be made illegal anyway. Better to go with the cake eaters.

  4. Ren says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    Good point. Let’s limit freedom to firearms to muslims as they likely use those to conform to their religious ideology.

  5. William says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    i only wish this man was standing in front of a rainbow flag. It would have much more currency

    • Don McKellar says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      EXACTLY.

      Or even just a real American flag.

      He doesn’t seem to understand that this is confusing the issue and also causing too many people who might stand up and take notice to simply dismiss him when seeing the picture, rather than hear him out and consider the powerful argument he’s making.

  6. Parousia says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    You like what this guy is doing?
    Send him a congratulatory mail.
    Go to Amazon, send him a worthy gift.
    Get everyone you know to shower him with blessings and praise.

    What could possibly go wrong he received a hundred congratulatory letters everyday?

    • TediNeo98 says

      Jul 23, 2015 at 7:04 am

      Hey Parousia, you want to arm jihadi’s and live happily with them as neighbours, then go and live in Syria under the caliphate & suffer the rape.
      Although I do not condone the flag – his issue with muslims is legitimate. Wherever there are muslims in a society, there are problems…Islam should be banned outright – sharia law is not compatible with western values and never will be. I will never trust a muslim – one day he will be all friendly to your face and then the following day after becoming more devout in his beliefs, he will blow you up chanting that his god is supposedly greater.
      Utter nonesense…I tell you.

  7. G.Deckzeijl says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    Message for CNN’s Carol Costella:
    https://ejbron.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/screenshot_484.png

  8. Goat Pimp says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    What Obama has done — white-washed and scrubbed the true nature of the Islamic threat, and the direct connection between the doctrine of Islam and terrorist groups, has resulted in many different consequences.

    The more you lie to the public about things that are obvious (and with the internet today, it is pretty tough to hide anything, especially the nature and doctrine of a highly subscribed religion), the more you inflame their concerns.

    The public gets angry and says “QUIT LYING TO ME”. They also are more apt to take matters into their own hands as their government is not only not acting on their behalf but is blatantly lying to them. In this case the govt is acting to protect the doctrine of the Islamists which happens to be Islam. No matter how much they want they can’t separate the two. That is the lie — that they can.

    So this gun dealer represents a concerned citizen who, feeling let down by his government who refuses to even clearly name the enemy, takes matters into his own hands and lawfully makes it more difficult for the enemy to purchase arms. I say good for him.

  9. Davegreybeard says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    I do wish he had not chosen to stand in front of a Rebel flag.

    It confuses the issue for too many and is divisive to many, even those on his side of the argument. It is difficult or impossible for a Yankee to get behind – even those who might agree with him otherwise.

    Sorry, it’s just bad PR and does not help things.

    • Don McKellar says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 6:59 pm

      EXACTLY.

      This will virtually KILL his own message for far, far too many people whom could be woken up.

      • voegelinian says

        Jul 22, 2015 at 7:30 pm

        Yes; so many in the West would rather let their children and grandchildren — or the children and grandchildren of their friends and neighbors and fellow citizens — be increasingly terrorized by Muslims in our glorious future than be associated with Confederate Cooties. Ditto for “fascist” cooties, “racist” cooties, “far right wing” cooties, et fucking cetera.

        Priorities, after all…

  10. Proud Pork Fan says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 5:31 pm

    Of course Muslims should come under more scrutiny than other less risky groups when attempting to purchase weapons. That is not discrimination, that is common sense.

    But of course according to the leftists, political correctness is more important than human lives.

  11. lebel says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    How will he know? doesn’t Islam command Muslims to lie? Islam is a belief not a race, right?
    this just means that people who look middle eastern will be discriminated against. No surprise that jwatch celebrates it.

    • Wellington says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 6:05 pm

      Your comment, lebel, is a pathetic attempt to tie completely understandable aversion to the totalitarian ideology which is Islam to some kind of racism. But people like you with your sorry-ass ways of diverting attention from the real problem, i.e., the fact that mankind got a major religion which is rotten to the core and which is a mortal and inveterate enemy of liberty, are losing audiences all across the West and across the entire world at a rapid rate.

      You know, just because a perfect way doesn’t exist to tell who is a Muslim doesn’t mean an attempt shouldn’t be made to do so——even if there is a risk that lesser people like yourself will cry “racism” so that the REAL problem can’t or won’t be dealt with. Your kind disgust me. You and your ilk are mortal enemies not only of liberty but of truth as well.

      • Lia Wissing says

        Jul 23, 2015 at 6:12 am

        Fullest support! Good man, Mr Hallinan!

      • TediNeo98 says

        Jul 23, 2015 at 11:47 am

        You hit the nail on the head Wellington – my sentiments exactly.

    • Lia Wissing says

      Jul 23, 2015 at 6:14 am

      Check for i) beard & ii) mandress & iii) zebibah.

  12. Wellington says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    This is a laudable single incident of what has to be a much larger endeavor and that is finally identifying Islam as a negative. Statements to the effect that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance and every religion produces extremists, blah, blah, blah, need to end once and for all. Cease characterizing Islam as a positive or at worst a neutral and instead deal with it as the giant negative that it is and everything else will start to fall into place (e.g., Muslims will still be allowed to exist in Western societies but they will properly be looked upon as adhering to yet another totalitarian ideology, like Marxism and Nazism, which needs to be scorned and ostracized though still officially legal).

    This is the corner of corners that MUST be turned, i.e., Islam treated negatively. Don’t turn this corner and all efforts against Islamic terrorism and Islamic designs will be, at best, piecemeal affairs, tactical victories and nothing more. And so kudos to this Andrew Hallinan for doing his bit to turn that corner of corners I have already mentioned.

    • Goat Pimp says

      Jul 23, 2015 at 3:28 am

      Excellent points Wellington.

      Islam must be viewed in general by the west as in the category of Marxism, Naziism ect. God knows Islam deserves it and fits perfectly in there.

      As I said above, our governments are quite dumb thinking they can white wash the nature of Islam. We live in the internet age and we can read the Koran hadith, ect in English when ever we want. I think this is one of the biggest and stupidest mistake/miscalculation western governments have ever made — to try to bamboozle the public into thinking that Islam is peaceful and good like any other religion. Nothing but terror and horror can come from that false notion, as we are seeing.

  13. mortimer says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 6:05 pm

    15% of Muslims say they support jihad movements in some way. A small number of the 15% are actual jihadists. We cannot tell which ones, because the men of violence have often disguised themselves as ‘average Joes’.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 6:17 pm

      Mort, when you throw around these poll numbers, at least throw in some kind of disclaimer about accuracy. Pollsters routinely frame their work around desired outcomes, they do it all the time. If I’m a pollster with pollster workers out in the field, my most desired outcome of all is to make Moslems look as good as possible.

      Here’s a poll: Gallup did a series in a number of Dar al-Islam hellholes a few years back on what public figures were most popular with the public in this or that hellhole. These were your standard issue hellholes like Pakistan, Egypt, you get the drift.

      In all of the national polls Osama bin Laden was in the top five, this even after years of him secreted from the public eye what with all the heat turned up by his Jihad mass murder operation of 3,000.

      Now, how is it that top five most popular fits with a small percentage of 15%? Btw, only a very small fraction of Germans were members of the National Socialist Party going into WWII.

    • voegelinian says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 6:32 pm

      For example (just to pluck one example out of a keffiyeh from thousands one could adduce over the years reported on Jihad), over 80% of Egyptian Muslims believe in death for apostasy, blasphemy, adultery. That kind of monstrous fanaticism is directly related to “jihadism” and clearly indicates a systemic problem far broader and more alarming than a mere “15%” — but one wouldn’t know that, from mortimer’s truncated perspective telegraphed through his need to tell us those particular stats he reported

  14. Angemon says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    By banning the sale of guns to Muslims who interpret the Koran literally, Florida Gun Supply owner Andrew Hallinan says he wants to “offend as many people as [possible]” in hopes of “[starting] a conversation about the political correctness that… [is] causing loss of life that we could prevent if we looked at Islam for what it is.”

    This is wholly reasonable, and Hallinan’s position deserves serious consideration. Background checks on firearms purchases could also look for links between Muslims and radicalized mosques with known ties to Islamic terrorism, whether through jihad terrorists associated with the mosques, or through jihad financing trials in which they are implicated. There certainly are plenty of such links to investigate.

    Hallinan gives himself ample maneuvering room by noting that “the ATF expressly gives me the right and authority to deny service to anybody that I feel is a threat for any reason.”

    For this very reason, all Muslims seeking to purchase firearms or earn pilots licenses should come under increased scrutiny. More and more Muslims in the U.S. already are committing jihad terrorist acts. Since Islam is proven to be the sole constant motivating these followers of Muhammad and the Koran, our nation is fitfully starting to have this “conversation,” which boils down to, “How do we deal with a militant, adversarial religious ideology in our midst, which has fourteen centuries of aggression and conquest behind it, and whose founder, holy books and most zealous adherents call for our overthrow?”

    Indeed. But facts and common sense won’t prevent the “YOU’RE AN ISLAMOPHOBE!!!” crowd from peddling their propaganda.

    Personally, I applaud his attitude and levelheadedness capable to cut through the miasma of deception spewing from his media and politicians. That flag on the background was probably unnecessary, though, given recent events.

    • voegelinian says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 6:37 pm

      “By banning the sale of guns to Muslims who interpret the Koran literally, Florida Gun Supply owner Andrew Hallinan says he wants to “offend as many people as [possible]” in hopes of “[starting] a conversation about the political correctness that… [is] causing loss of life that we could prevent if we looked at Islam for what it is.”

      Hallinan clearly says his motivation is provocative, to spark a Conversation about this problem about which most of Western societies have not begun an adequate conversation. It’s not primarily, as Angemon seems to think, a pragmatic way to deal with the problem — as though one could determine adequately which Muslims are “reading the Koran literally” and which aren’t (“Oh, that Muslim is smiling and wearing blue jeans, and they told me they don’t read the Koran literally — so here you go, Habibi, have a nice big fat semi-automatic gun, with some extra ammo rounds thrown in on the house!”).

      “Oh, and your friend Rasheed? Let’s see, he’s smiling, wearing blue jeans too, and I can tell from this background check put together by the Federal Keystone Kops that Rasheed hasn’t gone to a “radicalized” mosque in years — what kind of gun would you like, Rasheed…?”

      • Angemon says

        Jul 22, 2015 at 9:51 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “Hallinan clearly says his motivation is provocative, to spark a Conversation about this problem about which most of Western societies have not begun an adequate conversation. It’s not primarily, as Angemon seems to think, a pragmatic way to deal with the problem”

        We’ve been through this before, voeg – you’re not qualified to state what I think or not, given your track record – it’s like you go out of your way to be wrong, and take pride in it.

        I know you prefer to sling mud and bring others down rather than take the effort to rise and shine, but you should have learned by now that gets you no traction around here.

        In any way, let’s run with your strawman and see how it fares against your views:

        voegelinian:

        “The only way to deal with the problem is the total deportation of muslims from Western countries”

        “Trying to bring a discussion about islam into the spotlight is not a pragmatic solution”

        Clearly you know all about what’s pragmatic or not, right? “Pragmatic” as in “relating to a practical point of view or practical considerations” – I think the meaning of pragmatic needs to be made clear because you have a history of giving alternate meaning to words and running with them, in clear kitman-esque fashion – “asymptotic”, “attack”, etc.

        “(“Oh, that Muslim is smiling and wearing blue jeans, and they told me they don’t read the Koran literally — so here you go, Habibi, have a nice big fat semi-automatic gun, with some extra ammo rounds thrown in on the house!”).”

        Have you listened to the CNN interview that’s linked in the article? Oh, wait, you probably did, but you won’t mention it because he actually addresses that. Can’t have facts burning your poorly, hastily build strawman, can you? No, much better to ridicule something that threatens your perceived status quo. I would expect you, out of all people here, to be in favor of not selling weapons to muslims. Then again, I also expected you to be in favour of halting muslim immigration to Western countries, and we know how you scoffed at the people who brought it up…

        • Wellington says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 10:20 pm

          With you, Angemon.

        • voegelinian says

          Jul 23, 2015 at 2:52 pm

          This is why long ago I stopped taking the trouble to reply to Angemon. He weaves in a multitude of (among other things) subtle mischaracterizations and red herrings and goalpost-movings which lead down rabbit holes.

          Just to pick one example of such a multitude:

          In his examination of my argument, he constructs a quote that is supposed to represent my position:

          “Trying to bring a discussion about islam into the spotlight is not a pragmatic solution”

          In doing so, he leaves out the crucial qualifier I had put in:

          It’s not primarily, as Angemon seems to think, a pragmatic way to deal with the problem…

          I guess Wellington is “with” such sophistry.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 23, 2015 at 10:01 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “This is why long ago I stopped taking the trouble to reply to Angemon.”

          Given your recent activity, one can only conclude you’re working overtime to make up for the lost time.

          “He weaves in a multitude of (among other things) subtle mischaracterizations and red herrings and goalpost-movings which lead down rabbit holes.”

          The classical voegelinian response: dismissal out of hand for whatever reason that he never actually proves. It’s all subtle mischaracterizations, red herrings and goalpost-moving because he says so, and what he says goes, and any inquiry into what he says is dismissed as subtle mischaracterizations, red herrings and goalpost-moving because he says so, and what he says goes, and any inquiry… You see where this is going.

          “Just to pick one example of such a multitude:”

          By which you mean that you’ll misrepresent one small part of what I said and pretend it’s representative of the rest of my post.

          “In his examination of my argument, he constructs a quote that is supposed to represent my position”

          No, that’s just you, projecting what you do onto others. You just said you were going to pick one part that is representative of everything I said.

          “In doing so, he leaves out the crucial qualifier I had put in:

          It’s not primarily, as Angemon seems to think, a pragmatic way to deal with the problem…”

          And that “primarily” changes… well, nothing. That’s because a) you got it wrong: you used “primarily” as a quantifier, not as a qualifier, and b), whether is “primarily” or “secondarily” pragmatic is of no relevance because I’m questioning your ability to assess what’s pragmatic or not, not your ability to assess how much, or not, something is pragmatic. The later implies accepting that something is pragmatic while the former doesn’t.

          Since you’ve shown to have problems with abstract concepts, think of the following example: an exterminator going into a house to determine whether there are rats or not vs an exterminator going into a house to tell where the rats primarily are located.

          Now, let’s see what you left out of my post:

          We’ve been through this before, voeg – you’re not qualified to state what I think or not, given your track record – it’s like you go out of your way to be wrong, and take pride in it.

          I’ve told you many times you’re not qualified to state what I think or not because you seem to take pride in going out of our way to be wrong about it. Why do you insist on doing so?

          Have you listened to the CNN interview that’s linked in the article? Oh, wait, you probably did, but you won’t mention it because he actually addresses that.

          Have you? Did you listen to the CNN interview and willingly chose to ignore it?

          I would expect you, out of all people here, to be in favor of not selling weapons to muslims. Then again, I also expected you to be in favour of halting muslim immigration to Western countries, and we know how you scoffed at the people who brought it up…

          What’s with your hostility to the idea of not selling weapons to muslims and the idea of halting muslim immigration into Western countries? I thought that would be something we’d agree on, but you seem to think those are bad ideas. If you don’t, why then did you try to ridicule them?

        • voegelinian says

          Jul 23, 2015 at 2:57 pm

          Not to mention that my “it” was referring specifically to the gun-seller featured in this article, as my original post made clear. And not to mention that I have framed my Total Deportation argument as a meme to be pushed in the context of a sociopolitical movement that slowly over time helps shift a society’s paradigm (e.g., the Abolition movement of the 18th century, merely pushing the meme, over a century’s time bearing fruit in the paradigm shift that eventually led to the actual abolition in policy of slavery).

          And not to mention that my original post was not referring to Total Deportation, though it was alluding to the confused, incoherent thought process of the PC MCs and their milder cousins, the asymptotics in the Counter-Jihad, both combined reflecting the prevailing resistance to the aforementioned meme.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 23, 2015 at 10:20 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Not to mention that my “it” was referring specifically to the gun-seller featured in this article, as my original post made clear.”

          First of all, the gun seller is a person. A male, to be exact, so you should be referring to him as “he”. Secondly, I pointed out you are not qualified to say what I think or not. Your spinning of your post to pretend you meant something else won’t change it.

          “And not to mention that I have framed my Total Deportation argument as a meme to be pushed in the context of a sociopolitical movement that slowly over time helps shift a society’s paradigm”

          Right, you always say that… Not in “whenever you talk about total deportation you always go out of your way to say you mean it as a meme to be pushed in the context of a sociopolitical movement that slowly over time helps shift a society’s paradigm” (bonus points for the overusage of buzzwords), but as in “that’s of of your cookie-cutter responses to any criticism of it, the other being calling the other guy a softie and insist he’s defending muslims and playing jihad-roulette with the lives of his friends and family”.

          Clearly you never talked of “total deportation” as something that need to be done now nor did you ever ridiculed any idea that could be a stepping stone to “total deportation”…sarc./ off…

          “And not to mention that my original post was not referring to Total Deportation”

          No one said you did. Shouldn’t you be thanking me for bringing it up? You know, in the spirit of “slowly, over time”?

          “though it was alluding to the confused, incoherent thought process of the PC MCs and their milder cousins, the asymptotics in the Counter-Jihad, both combined reflecting the prevailing resistance to the aforementioned meme.”

          Or maybe, you know, the so-called “asymptotics” have a better grasp of what’s pragmatic than you and therefore prefer to stick to ideas that might actually be put into practice rather than indulging in totalitarian wet dreams.

      • Mark DeFord Eletion says

        Jul 23, 2015 at 8:03 am

        “as though one could determine adequately which Muslims are “reading the Koran literally” and which aren’t”

        Maybe not, but here are a few suggestions that may increase the likelihood of a correct determination.

        1. Keep a bag of pork rinds on the counter. Offer them to suspected muslims.
        2. Have suspect purchasers pose for a photo of them kissing a stuffed pig toy.
        3. Ask if they object to their hand being stamped with an image of mohammad riding a pig.

    • Champ says

      Jul 23, 2015 at 12:20 am

      That flag on the background was probably unnecessary, though, given recent events.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      I agree, Angemon. The flag tends to eclipse the more important issue: banning muslims from his gun store.

  15. michelle says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 6:57 pm

    https://www.periscope.tv/w/aH_6kjM1NDI5MjR8NDQ5Njg2OTIdj4qyRRX2oxW80Qp8-URiX0Vui5HAr5Q9gWb022QWIw==

    Showing American Patriotism in front of Islamic Center in St. Augustine Fl.

  16. Max Publius says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 7:38 pm

    “How do you determine which Muslim follows the Koran?”

    Well Carol, if they are Muslim, by definition they follow the Koran.

    Clearly, without any modifiers like “literally”, that’s the stupidest question asked by a reporter since 9/11.

  17. Isabella says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    Carol Costello: where is your brain? I see you work for CNN. Now, I understand

  18. celticwarriorcanada says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    I wish a lot of Martial Arts and Boxing Clubs would do the same . Unfortunately most clubs are more interested in money and notoriety.

  19. MKG says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    I saw this story on Fox news a few days ago. CAIR has already approached the DOJ to investigate possible rights violations. The fact that he is posing in front of a confederate flag does not lend credibility to his position especially in the eyes of the federal government, the same federal government our troops work for.

    As he stated himself, he cannot legally ask customers their religion, so if he does not racially profile people how can he tell who is a muslim and who is not.

    His position is pointless. Muslims will simlply buy elsewhere. Even if other gun store owners follow his example, it will not change a thing. Only stricter background checks can have an impact on keeping guns out of the hands of extremists.

    Let’s say for argument sake a great number of gun shops succeed in stopping sales to muslims. Eventually muslims will decide to open their own stores, and if they have a clean record, the government can not deny them a license to sell based on their race or religion.

    I don’t expect anyone to like this comment. I don’t find it very heartening myself. It is just reality as I see it.

    • PJG says

      Jul 23, 2015 at 4:03 am

      I believe he has already agreed to allow someone from Cair to practise at his shooting range and furthermore has agreed to be instructed about the Koran by the same man…Shilby or something.
      If you try to fight back, the hounding and bullying begin immediately

  20. Davegreybeard says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 12:12 am

    @Angemon
    “That flag on the background was probably unnecessary, though, given recent events.”

    It’s more than just “unnecessary,” unfortunately it is a fatal flaw in an otherwise brilliant and courageous stand.

    Quite a shame, actually.

    • voegelinian says

      Jul 23, 2015 at 2:34 pm

      Another gunseller could make the same statement – with an American flag in the background, and in the statement explicitly refer to his principled rejection of the Confederate flag. That would effectively cancel out this problem.

      Apparently, out of the tens of thousands of gunsellers in America, we have none who want to do this (or — worse? – haven’t even thought to do so).

  21. shiekyerboutie says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 12:54 am

    There appears to be a lot of hand wringing over the appearance of the Stars and Bars in this man’s presentation. Of course, the entire world has fallen for the MSM’s portrayal of said emblem as a representation of evil and bad. That’s a matter of opinion. For what it’s worth, in the South, seeing the Stars and Bars is about as common as seeing the sun — it’s freakin’ everywhere. And, for most of those in the South, it’s a non-issue. For those elsewhere, the MSM narrative is the only thing they can conjure when seeing the flag and such makes them uncomfortable (aka — it ain’t PC). THAT’s the unfortunate aspect of this man’s use of the flag.

    I’m about 100 miles from this man’s business and I will be packin’ up the armory and trekking to his locale for a little lead flinging. Good times.

  22. kay says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 4:55 am

    Well, the BASIC idea is brilliant in terms of sending a message.
    Some thoughts.

    – The guy is very articulate.
    – He has a clear and definite social goal.
    – It was totally dumb to use the Confederate flag. The US flag was the one to use.
    And a big United Nations flag would have been too cool for words!!
    – If he had anyone from CAIR over there, then he totally and completely blew it. I do not
    know if this is true, but it would be a second big fail.

    Other people could do it right. I would have a sign on my gun shop door that said
    “No services for CAIR or Muslim Brotherhood or KKK or Nazis”.
    That sends a real message. Just hammering on CAIR is a great message
    And they could sell those little books from Dr. Bill Warner plus Pamela Geller’s t shirts!
    And slices of fresh Canadian bacon pizza.
    And some CDs of some kinda Jewish folk music.
    That would so totally work.

  23. Jiji says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 4:56 am

    Making the announcement in front of a confederate flag … what a redneck !!

  24. kev casserly says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 5:20 am

    Trouble is Here in the uk it would be a big problem for the scum , not a great difficulty getting tooled up in the us .

  25. duh_swami says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 6:14 am

    Hmm…The gun grabbers have already decided that mentally ill people, of any type, intensity or duration of onset, shall not keep or bear arms. You just never know when the voices (god) will tell them to do something violent. Since Islam creates psychotic behavior and violent acting out for god (Allah), all Mahoundians should be viewed as too unstable to be legally armed. You never know when one or more will have a sudden Allahgasm, and go off the deep end…If we want to keep guns out of the hands of the loonies, we need to expand the definition of lunacy to include the pious…

  26. ICH says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 7:37 am

    I think we all need to move to our own island !!

    Jihad Watch Island

    No muslims allowed

    Apparently a lot of people do not like this “redneck”

    Im so frustrated.

    What needs to happen ?!!!!!

  27. William Lucas Harvey Jr. says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 8:32 am

    ALSO – ‘FLORIDA GUN SUPPLY’ store owner doubles down on his new ‘Muslim-Free Zone’ policy.

    http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/07/20/florida-gun-supply-store-owner-doubles-down-on-his-new-muslim-free-zone-policy/

    I 100% AGREE – GO ANDY! – ALL of America should be “Muslim Free.
    In SPITE of our VERY Apparent, Pro Islam, Pro Muslim, Sympathizing Pandering Apologist, Anti American Values, Anti Christian, “Imperial Potus”, who Lectures America AND the World with DOCUMENTED Statements such as: “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”, “Islam has always been part of America”, “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”, “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”, “The Islamic State ISIS is not Islamic”.

    AND To Spite the Fact that Muslims, Under the Obama Regine, ARE attempting to establish “Muslim Protected No Go Zones” where American Police and Authorities are PROHIBITED from Entering IN America.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/coming-soon-americas-own-islamic-no-go-zones/ “Coming soon: America’s own Islamic ‘no-go’ zones”

  28. Jpatriot says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 9:15 am

    Hallinane for president!!! Now that’s a true purpose for a go fund me page. Go fund “we the people”. And God bless

  29. Jaladhi says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 9:56 am

    Yeah, all Muslims follow Quran so what does it mean “follow Quran literally”? That means those who follow Quran literally are violent jihad murderers? That further means that Quran has verses that are hateful and violent but the media won’t admit it. Then by media anchors own tacit admission Quran is not peaceful but they all tell us – jihad, murder, looting etc have nothing to do with Isla and Quranm! How’s that??

    I am totally lost following our media’s logic!!

    One can plainly see how these media anchors have no shame in lying in live broadcast!!

  30. Davegreybeard says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    @Jiji
    “Making the announcement in front of a confederate flag … what a redneck !!”

    @ICH
    ‘Apparently a lot of people do not like this “redneck”’

    For the elucidation of our non American friends, please do not conflate “redneck” with the Confederate flag or the Confederacy.

    The term “redneck” derives from the red, sunburned neck of the common American farmer or construction worker – a “working man.”

    It is used as a pejorative by arrogant, condescending Liberals to refer to people that they feel are uneducated and “common” and thus inferior. It is an article of faith among Liberals that all “rednecks” are racist, bigoted, ignorant, homo/Islamophobic, usually white, sub humans. It is incumbent on Liberals to dominate and control “rednecks” for their own good and the good of the wonderful, but always elusive, “progressive” society they seek to create.

    “Redneck” is also sometimes taken as a term of pride among those who oppose their Liberal “betters.” As such it denotes one who has common sense, self reliance, a belief in Individual Liberty and the founding values of our great nation – a Patriot.

    I am proud to be part of the “redneck” demographic.

    • duh_swami says

      Jul 23, 2015 at 6:08 pm

      Four of my direct ancestors who farmed in southern Miss. since the 1840’s were the hard working rednecks you mention. All 4 served in the Civil War on the side of the confederacy. Two were captured and hung. They didn’t own slaves and they did not fight to maintain slavery. They may have been mostly uneducated, but they knew how to be self sufficient and make a small farming profit…That’s something few highly educated people can do today…

    • Angemon says

      Jul 23, 2015 at 10:25 pm

      Davegreybeard posted:

      “The term “redneck” derives from the red, sunburned neck of the common American farmer or construction worker – a “working man.”

      It is used as a pejorative by arrogant, condescending Liberals to refer to people that they feel are uneducated and “common” and thus inferior. It is an article of faith among Liberals that all “rednecks” are racist, bigoted, ignorant, homo/Islamophobic, usually white, sub humans. It is incumbent on Liberals to dominate and control “rednecks” for their own good and the good of the wonderful, but always elusive, “progressive” society they seek to create.”

      Indeed. Some people, like the aforementioned Liberals, seem to forget that uneducated is not synonym with unintelligent.

  31. abad says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    Say what you want about Florida I am very happy my state of residence took that measure.

    Muslims are NOT to be trusted.

  32. Randy W. says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 6:08 pm

    BRAVO. I am so glad I am a customer of Florida Gun Supply. They have me as a customer for life. God Bless America and the State of Florida.

  33. Infovoyeur says

    Jul 23, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    The fitful conversation we should have, can scarcely be “how do we deal with” the [=threatening element]. But rather, how do we preserve our liberty and existence as long as possible, it mortally threatened by our NOT having swung to 100% defensive-war mode earlier?

  34. FredvanH says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 1:18 am

    As long as there’s muslims, there will be social unrest. There comes a point where you can no longer afford to try and separate the little wheat there is from the abundant chaff. Stop all muslim immigration, and deport them all.

  35. pdxnag says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 1:40 am

    “adversarial religious ideology”

    Islam represents an inherently seditious calling.

  36. Davegreybeard says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 5:55 am

    “Some of the smartest people I know are some of the dumbest people I know.”

    Davegreybeard

  37. voegelinian says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 2:43 pm

    Any reasonable reader who sees the voluminously Obsessive-Compulsive posts of Angemon in his meticulously nitpicking and mean-spirited attacks on me — not just in this thread, but in SCORES of threads over YEARS, will see what I mean by “rabbit trails” and “sophistry”. Assuming there are any reasonable readers left around here. If such exist, they make themselves mighty scarce whenever Angemon (and/or Philip Jihadski) spend inordinate time & text attacking me, as though a ghost town with tumbleweeds rolling through the deserted streets, with its saloon doors creaking open and shut in the whistling wind, had descended upon JW comments…

    • Champ says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 3:13 pm

      Any reasonable reader must ask …

      Why does voeg continue to goad Angemon and others? Why does voeg initiate arguments, and then play the victim?

      Yes — these are bettter questions reasonable readers must ask.

      • Angemon says

        Jul 24, 2015 at 3:34 pm

        Indeed, Champ. I have a theory. I submit you this: the reason why voeg insists on playing the victim and accusing others of attacking him is that he sees it as a meme to be pushed in order to shift a paradigm over time – meaning that he expects if he repeats a lie long enough people will eventually buy into it

        • Champ says

          Jul 25, 2015 at 2:40 am

          I agree, Angemon. I’ve noticed a penchant for either outright lies from voeg — regarding what someone else wrote, or didn’t write — or he’ll exaggerate, which is really a form of lying.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 3:30 pm

      voegelinian posted:

      “Any reasonable reader who sees the voluminously Obsessive-Compulsive posts of Angemon in his meticulously nitpicking and mean-spirited attacks on me”

      Ah, there it is, the “voegelinian dismissal”. Why bother with answering criticism when you can just dismiss it out of hand and insult the critics while you’re at it? In any case, let’s parse that, shall we?

      “Any reasonable reader”

      I’ll get back on this.

      “who sees the voluminously Obsessive-Compulsive posts of Angemon”

      OCD is a mental disorder. What voeg is doing here is implying that because I disagree with him I have a mental disorder. Classy stuff, voeg, really classy. Of course, how voeg is qualified to diagnose mental illness is beyond me – he says so therefore it must be true, right?

      “— not just in this thread, but in SCORES of threads”

      Even though he doesn’t actually links to one of these alleged SCORES of posts and say why they’re wrong or how I’m “attacking” him.

      “over YEARS”

      This again? Look, I’m going to repeat what I told you a couple of months ago when you whined about the “years” of “abuse” I subjected you to (by means of criticizing you and expecting to get a cogent, tight answer instead of whining and ad-hominens): as far as I can remember, we first locked horns around July-August 2014. That’s around one year ago, ergo, you’re lying for dramatic effect. Either prove I’ve been “attacking” you (where attack is your blanket term for criticism) since 2013 or apologize and retract your words, liar.

      “will see what I mean by “rabbit trails” and “sophistry”.”

      Right, you never need to explain anything to anyone because people are supposed to “see what you mean”, even though other users have heed your calls for help and told you “just answer his questions and be done with it, voeg”. It’s “sophistry” and “rabbit trails” because you say so.

      Clearly facts and events bear no significance to you – things either happen according how you expect them to or they’re outright ignored.

      “Assuming there are any reasonable readers left around here. If such exist, they make themselves mighty scarce”

      Yeah, back to the “reasonable readers” bit. What is a reasonable reader? I maintain that a reasonable reader is someone looking at things from an impartial PoV and make their own minds after pondering merits and flaws from both sides. But, as voeg goes to imply, for him a “reasonable reader” is someone who shows up to say that he is right and that others need to shut up and let him say whatever he wants without any sort of criticism. You know, like brownshirts in 1930’s Germany, or these guys:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_stYHItS-s

      “whenever Angemon (and/or Philip Jihadski)”

      Notice that PJ hasn’t posted in a while. He is not participating in this argument. And yet, voeg sees fit to complain about him. Why? Because, well, propaganda.

      “spend inordinate time & text”

      Huh, no. Maybe you “spend inordinate time” on your posts, seeing how you consistently go out of your way to misrepresent and lie about others, but I can assure you that when all you do is read and give your opinions on what you’re reading, things go quite fast. As for the text, it’s the bare minimum – no point in doing more than that when you have a history of ignoring much of what I write .

      “attacking me”

      Once again, “attack” is your blanket term for “criticism. As for who’s attacking who, voeg, you’re the one who repeatedly emailed other users telling them they had to come to JW and attack me and PJ in order to get us to stop criticizing you. This ties in with what I said above – for all your whining about how big of a bully myself, or PJ, are, you’re the one who clearly spent an inordinate amount of time working behind the scenes to get people to attack others in your behalf.

      “as though a ghost town with tumbleweeds rolling through the deserted streets, with its saloon doors creaking open and shut in the whistling wind, had descended upon JW comments”

      I get that a lot. Every time I point an error or a flaw in your, *ahem*, “logic”, I think “this is going to be the time where he makes a cogent, on-point response addressing the criticism”. Cue in tumbleweeds and crickets…

      Now, voeg, I believe I made some points you choose to overlook in favour of your whining fest. Here, let me remind you:

      • Angemon says

        Jul 24, 2015 at 3:37 pm

        That’s odd, the link is missing. Oh well, here it is the full version:

        Now, voeg, I believe I made some points you choose to overlook in favour of your whining fest. Here, let me remind you:

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/florida-gun-store-bans-muslims-in-wake-of-chattanooga-jihad-attack/comment-page-1#comment-1271783

  38. Davegreybeard says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    A ghost town with tumbleweeds rolling through the deserted streets, with its saloon doors creaking open and shut in the whistling wind. A solitary figure slowly emerges from the gusting storm, his eyes locked on his elusive, Lagomorphan prey. Quick as a blink his hand flashes to his hip and…

    You buy that pistol yet voeg?

  39. Max says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    I am a Muslim and I live in Florida, and I already own more guns than this idiot would expect, let us say I went to his garbage store and wanted to buy a gun, the first question I will ask this inbreed will be , “You claim patriotism, have you served in the military”? I know his answer will be NO, then listen mother%*(&^% you are F%^&*^% with a decorated US Army combat veteran, not just with the helpless Muslims!

    • TediNeo98 says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 7:20 am

      With so much anger Max, why don’t you sort your own people out – this so called religion of peace that everyone keeps misunderstanding. No one here wants sharia law or a caliphate – do you support both? Would you like the USA under a caliphate?

      • Max says

        Jul 25, 2015 at 2:29 pm

        As you read it, on my previous comment of course, as a retired US Army war veteran we deploy to import Sheria to the USA! what kind of fucking question are you asking? my comment was about my freaking rights not about your stupid fear of Sharia! Oh BTW if you hate Muslims for the Sheria reason stay out of their countries and STOP arming terrorists like ISIS! bunch of terrorist/Extremist Southerners! You hate everybody including yourselves I am sorry but it’s not my fault you are born angry!

        • TediNeo98 says

          Jul 25, 2015 at 4:04 pm

          Max, you have certainly made me laugh out loud. I have no anger or fear – I just genuinely pity you muslims – you jump on the defense with so much anger that it is tangible in your above comment. Nobody asked you to fight for the US – if you are so unhappy with what the country is doing why did you even bother signing up in the first place.
          If you have so much hate for the US go chat to your brother in the white house and then fly off to Syria to fight for your beloved caliphate. There is NOTHING peaceful about islam, absolutely nothing – just violence and lies.
          What I do know is that you are fooling no one here at Jihad Watch and the people that post here, value their freedom more than life itself. Against that, islam will never prevail either over the Jews or the West – although I know that you are certainly going to try.
          What does concern me is how many weapons you say you have and how angry you sound in your post, perhaps it would be better if I reported you to the authorities instead and let them investigate further – afterall muslims can never be trusted especially when they are armed, pious and as angry as you are.

  40. Max says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 7:23 pm

    I thought you hate the government too you fucking inbreed! Do you think my brother in white house would hurt me if you report? You and the rest of fucking KKK morons can come and face me if you want, but remember I will fight you ONLY because you are sick racist! Racist have no religion or race, racist have no land or history looser pigs! You don’t even have a stand I told you, you hate everybody including your cousin who happened to be your wife, you hate blacks, Arabs, Irish, spanish! and you think you are human being? Your confederate garbage flag will never fly anywhere near government buildings, NO trash in white house nomore give it up you fucking wild pigs! America is changed for good!

  41. Max says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    AND now you think isIs which by the way is CIA and MOSAD handcrafted represent the Muslim world and you think I am siding with ISIS? believe it or not I will stand and fight ISIS till my last breath before I will ever try to use my gun on fellow Americans whom I already bleed for. You like to mix things up to make it easy to accuse people who disagree with you in your racist points. My service to my country has nothing to do with me standing against bunch of ignorant bigots, you can call it whatever you want but you and everyone on here is against the very freedom I fought for, nobody should ask your permission for what they have earned, NOT from you NOT from the group like this! You are nothing but group of haters organized under your confederate flag, the same group that hides behind closed doors and make the innocent white people pay the price.

    • TediNeo98 says

      Jul 26, 2015 at 3:58 am

      Seriously Max, the vast majority of people who post here are not racist, they are simply against the violence, misogyny & Jew hatred that is inherent in islam. Why don’t you google racism – how can disliking islam be racist when islam is made up of various racial groups.

      Most have taken the time to study islam thoroughly, as have I and what I have found so far is not good at all – try http://islamqa.info/en, where they make it quite clear that being friends with Christians and gays is haram, providing verses as proof, or that women should know their place – and if they step out of line a “little beating” won’t hurt.
      Why don’t you channel your anger and try to help us understand what version of islam you believe in and why we seem to have this all so wrong, or organise a march with your mates showing the rest of the world what your peaceful beliefs are and then make an effort to condemn those imams that preach hate and death to the infidels.
      You see all the mud that you are throwing at everyone else on this site – why don’t you take a long hard look at yourself and your religion and then decide who has the real problem with hating everyone. No other religion has taken more lives in the last 20 years than islam, even if you put all the other religions together. You hate Jews, Christians, Shia’s if you are Sunni or vice versa, Gays and the list goes on.
      Christianity went through centuries of reformation – I thought I would throw this in before you bring up the whole Crusade thing – noting that at one stage islam had reached Paris and was then pushed back.
      It is about time that you made your voice heard in the media and in your community, rather than trolling around on a website that seeks to expose the violence that is inherent in islam.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 26, 2015 at 8:20 am

      Max posted:

      “AND now you think isIs which by the way is CIA and MOSAD handcrafted”

      Right, much like 9/11, 7/7 and all other islamic terrorist attacks… I heard Mossad steals shoes as well…

      “represent the Muslim world and you think I am siding with ISIS?”

      ISIS set itself up as the maximum exponent of islam. Muslim groups worldwide have pledged their allegiance to it, and muslims traveled worldwide to join it.

      “believe it or not I will stand and fight ISIS till my last breath”

      Because they’re a CIA/Mossad construction. Got it.

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