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Iceland repeals blasphemy law in view of Charlie Hebdo jihad murders

Jul 6, 2015 4:45 pm By Robert Spencer

charlie hebdo post massacreThe Pentecostal church statement complained: “Repealing existing legislation on blasphemy is tantamount to legalising hate speech.” The problem with this is that “hate speech” is not an objectively established entity about which everyone agrees. The individual or group given the authority to determine what is and is not “hate speech” has the power to control the public discourse. This would allow a tyrannical government to work its will unopposed, while declaring opposing views “hate speech.” The freedom of speech is therefore an indispensable cornerstone of a free society. Without it comes authoritarianism, dictatorship, totalitarianism, and various other shackles on the human spirit. The Pentecostals and Catholics should have known better than to oppose the repeal of Iceland’s blasphemy laws.

“Iceland repeals blasphemy law, in move triggered by Charlie Hebdo murders,” by Eugene Volokh, Washington Post, July 6, 2015: at 1:35 PM

So reports the Iceland Monitor:.

[T]hree Pirate Party MPs moved a bill before Alþingi [Iceland’s parliament] to have the clause removed from the Icelandic Penal Code, in the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris.

The three MPs took to the Alþingi lectern today, one after another, while the vote was under way and declared, “I am Charlie Hebdo.”

A statement on the Pirate Party website reads: “The Icelandic Parliament has issued the important message that freedom will not bow to bloody attacks.”

The established (Lutheran) Church of Iceland supported the move, but “the Church of Iceland parish of Berunes (Eastern Iceland),” the Catholic church of Iceland, and the “‘Fíladelfía’ Pentecostal church” opposed it. The Catholic Church argued that blasphemy can “inflict[] psychological abuse on individuals or groups”; the “‘Fíladelfía’ Pentecostal church” asked, “Does a person’s human rights include the right to mock the beliefs of others?” As readers of the blog might gather, I think the answer is, “you bet they do.” The freedom of expression guarantees the right to criticize — and mock — all beliefs, whether of secular ideologies (Communism, capitalism, feminism, environmentalism, nationalism, or what have you) or of religious ideologies….

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  1. Oliver says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    Reminds me of a conversation I ahd with my father, decades ago-I think I was about 11. I complained about advertisements on television. My father asked if I would rather pay for it. i said, why can’t the government.

    He relied, ” then the government decides what you can see; hear and do”. Seems to me, the same here. If one cannot criticize, then one has to accept the other’s point. That si not freedom.

  2. Angemon says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    “the Church of Iceland parish of Berunes (Eastern Iceland),” the Catholic church of Iceland, and the “‘Fíladelfía’ Pentecostal church” opposed it.

    I have two things to say to them:

    1 – Get
    2 – Bent

    • john spielman says

      Jul 7, 2015 at 1:47 pm

      i consider myself a follower of Jesus, and I agree NO BLASPHEMY laws. Jesus forgave all vile insults against Him and so should we! (How ever, when He returns and destroys all evil, then then there will be no blasphemy)

      • ICH says

        Jul 7, 2015 at 2:15 pm

        at some point you hope the world will wake up

        Probably what they said before WW2

  3. John Sobieski says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    Good for Iceland! Good for freedom!

    • Lia Wissing says

      Jul 7, 2015 at 7:01 am

      Agreed!

  4. Oliver says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    Back when there was the economic problems, a man ran for political office (I forgot which one) in Iceland.

    His plank– “Jews are good at business, so let us get Jews here”. he found some Jews in New York sho spoke the language of Iceland, and they came to iceland, and set up a business or two, and employed people.

    Not liek Muslism who are leeches.

  5. IQ al Rassooli says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    BRAVO Iceland

    Shame on the Catholics who are being led to the slaughter house of Islam by Francis ‘the grovelling Pope to Islam’

    One of the smallest nations on Earth has more BACKBONE, more Integrity, more Morality & more Justice than most of the peoples in Europe & America COMBINED!

    A beautiful stand for FREEDOM

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

  6. Theodoric says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    Nobody’s “Prophet” has a right NOT TO BE MOCKED or criticized.

    Even HUMAN “Prophets” have NO right “NOT TO BE MOCKED or criticized” – and the same thing goes for Islam’s Muhammasaurus Rasulex.

    https://drawthevileprophet.wordpress.com/2015/05/09/no-prophet-has-a-right-not-to-be-mocked/

    • Peggy says

      Jul 6, 2015 at 5:43 pm

      Then don’t but the rest of us who might not agree with your opinion have the right to have our say too. Nobody is saying that you have to mock anyone but then don’t tell us what to do either.
      If we are wrong then we will pay for it in the afterlife. It is NOT FOR YOU. to decide who should be punished and how.

      • Nimrod says

        Jul 6, 2015 at 8:30 pm

        Tell that to the Muslims who support sharia law.

        • Peggy says

          Jul 7, 2015 at 9:47 pm

          Sorry I misread the post to which I replied. I am all in favour of having the right to mock any religion or any prophet. We should decide for ourselves if it’s a good thing or a bad thing but mocking Mohammed especially, is a must. Not only he should be mocked but all who follow him too for following such an evil monster.

      • BommelBen says

        Jul 7, 2015 at 3:12 pm

        According to the holy scriptures of the Islam ideology Mohammed was a highway robber (more friendly called a warlord), a murderer (he actively participated in the beheading of hundreds of captured Jews), a torturer (but only to extract the location of a hidden treasure), a lecher (he asked his stepson to divorce because he lusted after his attractive wife), a pedophile (he married for political reasons his six year old niece and consumed this marriage when she was nine), a rapist (only of captured women and slaves) and a liar (but not to other Muslims). Last but not least he was a perfect man and example for all the Muslims to imitate.
        What kind of insult could improve on that if all this is true. And if it is not true are not the Koran and the Hadith the worst slanderers?

  7. Jaladhi says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    Amazing that Iceland has guts to do it – the other European nations are just bowing Islam and Muslims shaming their ancestors who drove out Muslims from their lands!!

  8. mortimer says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 5:35 pm

    Without an established religion, there can be no definition of ‘blasphemy’, since to every religion, the definition would be different…and subsequently, all definitions of ‘blasphemy’ would contradict the definitions of other religions.

    No common definition of ‘hate speech’ can be made either. There is no doubt a law defining ‘slander’ in Iceland, but that isn’t subjective.

    All ‘hate speech’ laws are to a degree ‘subjective’. The police would have difficulty deciding whom to arrest. Nevertheless, ‘soliciting murder’ of a group because of their ethnicity or faith is an obvious and easily discernible criterion. No law should go beyond that to criminalize the criticism of an IDEOLOGY.

  9. The Countess says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    Does Iceland have enough room for all of the people coming?

    • particolor says

      Jul 7, 2015 at 4:58 am

      The have plenty of Piping Hot Volcanoes for Accommodation !!

  10. Angel says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 6:02 pm

    One can only hope that the lapse in judgment of the Catholic Church in Iceland is only because it is a tiny, isolated diocese with its only bishop being a cleric who happens to be more PC liberal than Catholic. I assure you that most of the bishops that I’ve met in the U.S. and elsewhere are more careful, on one hand affirming that while it is uncivil to mock other people (vs. dialog with them) while on the other hand affirming that it is important to preserve free speech for the sake of freedom & security for all. We cannot and must not criminalize what is merely uncivil or harsh. Indeed, some tongue-lashings are deserved and sometimes satire is the only way to wake up a zombified public of pressing threats. Speaking ill of Muhammad in any way is considered hate speech by some people, but to point out the historical reality that Muhammad falls well short of Confucius, the Buddha, and Jesus Christ as a moral exemplar is

  11. Angel says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    an understatement, to say the least.

  12. Wellington says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    For freedom to function at an optimal level, all hate speech needs to be legal and the way then to marginalize true haters is by way of extensive ostracism by society at large.

    N.B. Specific death threats are something else and go beyond “mere” hate speech and it is imperative as well to understand that many actions accompanying certain speech are also not protected (e.g., not just saying that an apostate from Islam should be killed but actually doing this), nor is false speech that would excite immediate panic (e.g., knowingly falsely yelling “Fire” in a crowded theater). But just “plain old hate speech” should be legal all the time in a truly free society. So-called hate speech laws are actually a mortal enemy of liberty.

    • Oliver says

      Jul 6, 2015 at 7:51 pm

      Wellington, since you are an attorney, you can probably check this-more easily then I. But a (US, sorry to admit) politician said (I think about a year or so ago) that criticizing Islam and/or Mohammed is THE EQUIVALENT OF YELLING FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATER. (possibly, modern equivalent-not sure it ” the modern’ was in the original quote or not).

      • Galen Muhammad says

        Jul 6, 2015 at 8:17 pm

        Criticism??

        You mean lying against…..!!

        Completely different.

      • Wellington says

        Jul 6, 2015 at 8:25 pm

        Such a politician, Oliver, is deeply ignorant of current American law. And such a politician has to be a leftist, which means to say that said politician is an ignoramus. Oh yes, show me a full-fledged Western leftist and I will show you an ignoramus, no exception.

        What is far more unfortunate and troubling is that the Supreme Court of the United States is now composed of five and a half fools———-Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsburg (an ugly human being in every respect, including her own disdain for the Constitution which she has sworn to respect), Breyer and Kennedy. The half-fool is Roberts. Only Thomas, Alito and Scalia are in accord with what the Constitution really stands for. The fact that only three on the SC “get” the American Constitution with full understanding and intelligence is itself indicative of a major decline.

        Very troubled times. A la Yeats, the best lack all conviction and the worst are full of passionate intensity Far more trouble ahead, courtesy of the double whammy of our time——-a resurgent Islam combined with the idiocy of modern Western Leftthink.

        You know, Oliver, I fear often times anymore that mankind is on the verge of a new dark age, and a dark age aided by modern technology and silly modern thinking which has the potential of making it the darkest of all dark ages so far in man’s very troubled history..

        The world is drifting. Downwards. Yes, the best of mankind may still prevail over the worst of mankind but things look pretty dim right now.

      • Nimrod says

        Jul 6, 2015 at 8:42 pm

        It’s called the “clear and present danger” standard. Being critical of Mohammad doesn’t meet this standard unless the Supreme Court decides to rewrite the constitution from the bench again.

  13. Nathan says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 6:34 pm

    It’s just a cry for help.

    Iceland says “help, help, We’re drowning in islamofacists and our own laws can’t help us, can’t defend us, help! help!, somebody say something, somebody do something. Help! Help!”

  14. Canto28 says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    Great! Now lets hear some scathing criticism out of Iceland of this monstrosity of a “religion” Islam and its obvious fraud of a prophet.

  15. Galen Muhammad says

    Jul 6, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    Blithering idiots.

    Jihad has no connection with murder!!!

    But that’s not a surprise, coming from lying paid Islamaphobe Robert Spencer….!!

    • Westman says

      Jul 6, 2015 at 9:38 pm

      Correction Galen, “Jihad SHOULD have no connection with murder”. However we see clearly from your “brothers” of the Ummah and Egyptian and Iranian Ulmah that it most certainly does.

      It does no good to protest when the daily examples of Islam in the news supports the worst of the Qur’an and Sunnah. The violence is in your own doctrine and Muhammad’s example.

      What Islam is doing thunders so loudly that no rational person can hear the arguments, which are completely contradicted by Islam’s own written doctrine (Al-Azhar Scholars), that Islam is non-violent, nor has any long-term plans for world domination.

      Please tell us that the penalty for Apostasy(whether or not carried out) is not death as ordered from the mouth of Muhammad.

      Tell us that women are equal to men in court under Sharia and in your own mind.

      Tell us that Jews have equal standing with Muslims and there is no ultimate Islamic doctrinal expectation of their demise.

      Islamic murderers claim Jihad motivation. It’s unfortunate that we can’t get you and one of these murdering Jihadists together to discuss Islamophobia.

      I can understand your frustration that fundamentalists came along and had a revival of the fundamental doctrine that is so absurd in a modern time. However it is your religion’s doctrine – YOU do something about it beyond muda’rat. Spencer simply tells the worst truth.

    • Western Canadian says

      Jul 6, 2015 at 10:57 pm

      And another devout muslim comes by, volunteering to demonstrate for all of us, that he is a pathetic, lying piece of sub-animal filth……

      Thank you, thank you, thank you!! For coming by, and demonstrating that, as a devout muslim, you are not merely worthless, but less than worthless. Keep coming by, and keep up the ‘good’ work!!!

  16. More Ham Ed says

    Jul 7, 2015 at 2:35 am

    To reiterate: “The problem with this is that “hate speech” is not an objectively established entity about which everyone agrees. The individual or group given the authority to determine what is and is not “hate speech” has the power to control the public discourse.”

    Thanks Robert for continually telling us this as a real reminder of freedom.

  17. sidney penny says

    Jul 7, 2015 at 5:54 am

    “The problem with this is that “hate speech” is not an objectively established entity about which everyone agrees. ”

    who decides what is hate speech

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/video-robert-spencer-at-cal-poly-may-13-2014

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/cal-poly-free-speech-under-attack-in-academia

    Are you going to feel sorry for the young who asked Robert Spencer that hate speech is not free speech?

    Short 8 minutes at the end-watch it and enjoy

    Who is the arbitrator of determining hate speech.?

    158.23 RS- demonizing of the opposition in all spheres that is a huge threat the society that has been a source of great prosperity and great human flowering for a couple of centuries now.
    158.42 RS -only one view is allowed I know that and only one perspective is acceptable and that is a symptom of the problem I am discussing.
    158.55 RS-ponder what might happen if you have appoint of view, that is one that is not allowed. Do you really want to be in that situation?
    15.10 RS-or all points of view were not allowed and ideas would live and die on the basis of their truth not on one who found it acceptable of or not acceptable.
    99.9% certain that none of the views I represent are discussed or even considered acceptable to be discussed at this or any other university in this country
    200.40 RS-and I do not believe that any one of who have read my books would honestly be able to say that there is anything hateful or inaccurate.
    200.28 RS-in the mean time I know that the ideas I represent are not acceptable at universities and the ideas I represent are true. That is a bad ??(could not catch the word)
    200.37 -great question-
    She: we came to the conclusion that there is a difference between free speech and hate speech
    She: hate speech is not freedom of speech
    RS: what is hate speech?
    She: one that harms or threatens without any factual content, without expressing any valuable idea
    RS: who decides?
    Who is the arbiter?
    Concept of hate speech is a tool in the hands of the powerful to silence the powerless.
    Reply

    • particolor says

      Jul 7, 2015 at 6:12 am

      The Islamic point of view is the ONLY Point Of View ! And no correspondence will be entered into ! Got It ?

  18. ICH says

    Jul 7, 2015 at 7:30 am

    HOW FRAGILE ARE WE

    How MORE fragile is ISLAM !!!

    I believe in Jesus. But guess what.
    If you insult him its on you not me.
    So go nuts. I could care less.

    If you truly believe , you cant be afraid.
    Its so obvious when you look at the Muslim world ,
    They are a venomous angry bunch for the most part.

    Such beautiful women and gross ugly bearded “men”.

    Anyone drawn to it-well enjoy life is all I can say.

  19. Elaine Trewartha says

    Jul 7, 2015 at 9:52 am

    I am a follower of Jesus. I see and hear Him mocked and vilified, but I know He does not call me to hate the mockers. When on earth He was mocked and spat upon, He could have used His almighty power to annihilate His persecutors. He didn’t do that. He let them get on with it, and went on to die for them, praying for their forgiveness.

    What has Mohammed, the ‘Excellent example’ got to offer us? He is a hater and a liar, like Satan, and we should speak the truth about him.

    Bravo Iceland.

    • ich says

      Jul 7, 2015 at 10:21 am

      @ Elaine

      I agree.
      But the world could care less about Jesus.
      I was the same.
      I had all the answers. The same cliches over and over.

      Any fool can see that Muhammed was one nasty !@#$%

      The fact we all seem to ignore that is a discussion in itself.

      I applaud Robert Spencer , Pamela Gellar and many others
      who arent afraid to speak out.

      If THEY dont who will ?

  20. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jul 7, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    The Catholic Church argued that blasphemy can “inflict[] psychological abuse on individuals or groups”

    As a born and raised Roman Catholic, let me express my disgust with the Church. When the boys in the Holy See are not kowtowing to Moslems, they’re pushing socialism. The former is an abrogation of duty out of cowardice, the latter is none of their damned business.

    … the “‘Fíladelfía’ Pentecostal church” asked, “Does a person’s human rights include the right to mock the beliefs of others?”

    Yes.

    • Angel says

      Jul 7, 2015 at 2:18 pm

      Alarmed Pig Farmer, your expression of disgust is somewhat albeit not totally misplaced. The diocese of Reykjavik (the only one in Iceland) is not a branch office of the Vatican. You are right inasmuch that, quite unfortunately, the current bishop appears to mirror the Islamist-blind sentiments of the suicidal European mainstream. The last 3 popes have recognized a need to engage Islam and to actively encourage self-reform movements within that religion via constructive dialogs. As chief pastors of the Universal Church it is their Christian responsibility to understake this project for the good of humanity even if the attempt may be doomed to failure because of inherent flaws within the nature of Islam. Pope Benedict was the wisest of all by consistently stressing that if Muslims want to be respected by others, the Christian friendliness should be reciprocated by Muslims. Pope Francis’ gestures toward individual Muslims has been the most magnanimous of all but he has also been the most vocal critic of jihadism. His personal secretary, Egyptian Magdi Cristiano Allam, a Muslim journalist and writer who converted to Christianity and was baptized in Saint Peter’s, has been very critical of a Church that in his view is too yielding toward Islam.

      Your socialism critique has to do with prudential judgment. Be leery of socialism but don’t be blindly uncritical toward capitalism. Remember not to lose sight of the fact that the Gospel does have political implications at points. Understand the principles, but then prayerful seek the Holy Spirit’s guidance of the best means towards the proper ends. It is not for clerics and theologians to specify the means but it is their job to try to spell out any necessary ends for the common good.

    • Angel says

      Jul 7, 2015 at 2:26 pm

      ERRATA: The personal secretary of Pope Francis is Yoannis Lahzi Gaid, an Egyptian priest of the Coptic rite and a member of the Vatican diplomatic service. He is the he author, in the past, of statements very critical in regard to Islam. Journalist Magdi Cristiano Allam, another critic of Islam, is an admirer. The latter was personally received into the Catholic Church by Pope Benedict XVI, which upset a lot of Muslims, because Allam’s conversion not only made him an apostate but also because his conversion to Catholicism was very open and public.

      • particolor says

        Jul 7, 2015 at 9:34 pm

        I found a Rice Bubble in My Corn Flakes ? 🙂

        • Concerned Canadian says

          Jul 7, 2015 at 9:39 pm

          Maybe the “peaceniks” will be content just listening to Bjork.
          I can see them all holding hands and chanting
          ALL IS FULL OF LOVE

          Sorry I must of slipped and banged my head.

          Whos kidding who.

          This is a great excuse to kill women and children.

        • particolor says

          Jul 7, 2015 at 10:11 pm

          Bjork was Hot !! 🙂
          Mohammed Weren’t ! 🙁

  21. pdxnag says

    Jul 7, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    Whatever the feelings of offense related to nonviolent expressions of others (except invitations to others to commit violence) they are out weighed by the risk that those who claim the mantel of exclusive governmental authority will use restraint of speech to rule as tyrants. That really is the calculation in the passage of the First Amendment; a greater risk is posed by “governmental” tyrants. And let’s not forget that Muslims demand to rule as the exclusive governmental entity. To advocate and promote Islam is (violent and pre-violent) sedition, even if we do not call it out as such today.

    To oppose Islam is to oppose tyranny. To oppose tyranny is laudable, and not tainted by even a hint of anything requiring public PC disapproval.

    The notion of “hate” here is as inapposite as the use of the label of Islamophobia to mock resistance to the phantom Islam of Peace. Hate is not the question, unless one is not supposed to oppose tyranny.

  22. Uncle Vladdi says

    Jul 7, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    “There’s no fine line between “free speech” and “hate speech”: Free speech is hate speech; it’s for the speech you hate – and for all your speech that the other guy hates. If you don’t have free speech, then you can’t have an honest discussion.”

    – Mark Steyn –

    Steyn is mistaken: between any two people, each accusing the other of crimes, and each denying the others’ claims of “hate speech” and slander – only one or them is usually the lying criminal, and that one is also usually the one wanting to ban the others’ freedom of speech in general.

    Pam Geller was recently asked by Cuomo:

    “Is there anything which ought to qualify as hate speech and be banned?”

    NO – not because it’s “hateful” (because that sort of nonsense is only making subjective assessments based on emotions;) and “HATE” is really only the perfectly natural human response of perpetual anger towards ongoing crimes (like islam); without ‘hate’ we would never bother to accuse criminals of their crimes in order to stop those crimes.

    Unreasonable false displays of hatred and anger on the other hand, are what the Left is good at – but that’s already illegal, not because of the anger displayed, that’s just the packaging, but because it’s fraudulent slander.

    Such criminal leftists who try to make “hate” into a crime, only ever make it ‘illegal’ to hate crime itself!

    Speech which is already disallowed is incitement of immediate violence and death-threats… and even those aren’t illegal, if say they call for the police to use violence to counter ongoing mob violence and looting, or call for the death-penalty for murderers!

  23. TruthWFree says

    Jul 7, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    No need for blasphemy laws. I am Christian and anyone blaspheming Jesus will have eternal damnation unless he/she repents. Jesus can take care of himself…He is God, one in being with the Father…unlike Muhammad who needs Muslims to enforce Islamic sharia blasphemy laws. In fact, the Quran blasphemes against Jesus, saying He never said He is the Son of God…but then the allah god of the Quran is not God.

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