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Islam as a Vehicle for Arab Supremacism

Jul 20, 2015 9:09 am By Hugh Fitzgerald

BerberLong ago, Bernard Lewis wrote about the “multiple identities” of the peoples of the Middle East. By that he meant that one could be Muslim, but not necessarily Arab — as Berbers and Kurds were also Muslim. One could be Arab, but not necessarily Muslim, or identify by language and culture with Arabdom, as some Arab Christians (especially “Palestinians”) do, while Copts and Maronites may not. Then there are Shi’ite Iranians, but also Shi’ite Arabs, as in Syria, who might favor one part of their identity over another. And then there were smaller peoples in the area whose identity was neither Muslim nor Arab, which made them particularly vulnerable to aggression, having no one to call upon, for they stood alone — such as the lamented Yazidis.

The recent fighting between Berbers and Arabs in a town — Ghaadia — in southern Algeria reminds us of this crazy-quilt of peoples and tugging identities in North Africa and the Middle East. To the extent that a Berber is keenly aware of being a Berber, he is less likely to be a keen embracer of fanatical Islam, for Islam is identified with ‘Uruba, or Arabdom, the “gift of the Arabs” that demanded of non-Arab Muslims that they pray five times a day in the direction of Arabia (Mecca), ideally take Arab names, read the Qur’an in Arabic, and sometimes even construct a false Arab ancestry (as the “Sayeeds” of Pakistan) that links them to the Prophet. Not all Berbers want to be told they must ideally be Arabs.

The clashes in Ghaadia between Arabs and Berbers offer a chance to consider how those “multiple identities” can be played upon, or appealed to, to lessen the tug of Islam among non-Arab Muslims.

It is no mystery as to why Christian missionaries might be having their greatest success in the Kabyle, which remains the Berber heartland in Algeria. It is where the Berbers are concentrated, that is, those who were not forcibly transformed, during the centuries of Arab rule (interrupted by 132 years of French rule) into “Arabs.” (How many of those “Arabs” who now persecute the Berbers realize that they themselves are a generation, or two, or five, removed from their clearly Berber origins?)

The cause of the Berbers is hardly known in this country. Yet the writer Kateb Yacine, a Berber who refused to write in Arabic, but chose French, is celebrated in France, especially among Berbers — but unknown in this country, and his anti-Arab rage is not likely to cause his books to be included in the syllabuses of courses on “Francophone” literature, given that so many such courses are now taught by French-speaking Arabs.

What is that cause? In the first place, it is linguistic and cultural. In Algeria, where the French saw the Berbers as superior to the Arabs — one French general wrote a book about the “Europeanness” of the Berbers — the Berbers were not discriminated against, but as soon as the French left, the forced arabisation of the Berbers started up at once, as if the French interregnum, with the wider possibilities that French education made possible to both Berbers and Arabs, had never existed. Older people in Algeria speak and use French; the younger ones are forgetting. And meanwhile, the Berbers were forbidden to use their own language, Tamazight, in their schools or in their institutions, and even, at times, they could be punished for using it among themselves, on the street. Berber culture was officially ignored.

About thirty years ago, news of Berber agitation began to reach the outside world. There were riots in Tizi-Ouzou that were reported in France, but hardly anywhere else in the Western world. In America, of course, we had all been sufficiently subject to ARAMCO propaganda (performed as a “public service” by the big oil companies, as part of their propaganda payoff to the Saudis for allowing them to find, produce, and then pay exorbitantly for the oil that happens to lie under the malevolent sands of “Saudi” Arabia), to believe that there is something called “the Arab world,” and in this “Arab world” there are no Copts, no Armenians, no Assyrians, no Chaldeans, no Turkmen, no Mandeans, no Maronites, and of course no Berbers, no Jews (no, there never were any Jews in North Africa or the Middle East — they all came to Israel, you see, from Europe), for everyone in the Arab world was an “Arab.”

The discovery or re-discovery of a Berber identity (and, again, how many of those North African “Arabs” should begin to realize that they are Berbers?) is or could be an important weapon in unsettling the world of Islam, and perhaps causing the Maghreb to see itself, as it should, not as “Arab” but as the victim of Arab imperialism.

For what is Islam if not a vehicle of Arab imperialism, and what are the Berbers, if not the victims of that Arab imperialism, an imperialism far more potent and long-lasting than the European kind, for it attempts to efface the historic identity of whole peoples?

And it makes perfect sense that Berbers in the Kabyle, having felt along their pulses the Arab imperialism of which Islam is the vehicle, would be more open to the efforts of Christian missionaries, or more likely, are not so much responding to missionary activity, but to their own observations as to what Christianity is like, and what Islam has brought them.

In this respect, one should not underestimate the fact that many Berbers now live in France, that they make up most of the membership of such groups as the “maghrebins laiques,” and that they, not the Arabs whose ethnic identity is so bound up with Islam, are capable, in some cases, not of identifying with the Arabs, but more closely with the French. And those Berbers communicate with Berbers at home, or through the Internet. And sometimes they return to Algeria and Morocco to see their families, and bring with them their own observations on the relative merits of the Islamic world, a world suffused with Islam, and the non-Islamic world, the one they have experienced in France.

The more the non-Arab Muslims of the world, and 80% of the world’s Muslims are not Arab, come to realize — and it would not be hard to help them to realize, for they will not be able to deny the facts, having experienced so much of it themselves — that Islam is a vehicle for Arab supremacism, the more likely it is that at least some of them will fall away. And others, who may believe in  a kind of Islam not dominated by Arabs, a “non-Arab” Islam (as if such were possible) will, in so doing, at least help to divide, and therefore to weaken, the Camp of Islam.

Ideally, one would wish this Total System, that has held so many hundreds of millions in thrall, and thwarted over so many centuries so much human potential (think of the art, think of the science, that might have resulted in the absence of the dead hand of Islam on so many people, prevented from so many forms of artistic expression, from so many avenues for free and skeptical inquiry that are necessary for the enterprise of science, think of so much dull fanaticism, so much boredom, so much violence, in posse and in esse) will be seen, by Berbers, by Kurds, by people in the subcontinent (why should Muslims in India not “rediscover” their own history, their Hindu, or Buddhist, or other non-Muslim roots?), by those in Malaysia and the East Indies, with its rich pre-Islamic, Hindu and Buddhist past, as having helped to make them forget their own history, and this history deserves to be rediscovered.

Meanwhile, start reading and promoting those Berber sites. And hope that the French state, instead of “integrating” its Muslims by government-supported mosques, will try to work with Berbers in France, work to make them see the light, work to help them to achieve their own destiny, one different from, and superior to, that of the Arabs whose method of cultural and linguistic domination comes from, and is supplied by, Islam.

We should help those in North Africa (and in France) who know, are well aware, of their Berber identity. DNA could come to the rescue. There is a genetic marker that, in studies by French geneticists in Tunisia, shows that Berbers and Arabs can be easily distinguished. Some who proudly identify themselves as “Arabs” will resist. But others may listen. And as they recognize the violence, the “culture of death” of Islam, in its fanatical form, perhaps those who wish to make a break from Islam, and recognize that such a break is hardest of all for Arabs, and that another identity needs to be accepted, invented, believed in, will manage to discover, and embrace, their Berber “roots.”

It seems fanciful, just as it seems fanciful that Iranians, those who are not merely disgusted with the mullahs running things, but are coming to be disgusted with Islam — that “gift of the Arabs” — itself, may wish to rediscover Zoroastrianism. Not because of any particular wonderfulness in what Zoroastrianism has to offer, but simply because it offers another identity (see Bernard Lewis’s excellent “The Multiple Identities of the Middle East,” to which I referred earlier), in a part of the world, and among people, who believe that “everyone simply has to be something.” And that “something” cannot be, as it is in the advanced West, a collection of ideas or ideals — as an American might define himself as loyal to the American Constitution, and wishing to defend the political and legal institutions of this country, fortunately fashioned by an inimitable group of geniuses, and fortunately, not yet made complete hash even by those who embody the degradation of the democratic dogma.

Some Berbers accepted being considered as “Arabs,” the way some Copts and Maronites have had a false “Arab identity” pushed on them, or have only semi-accepted it, an “identity” constructed out of nothing more than the fact that they are speakers, “users,” of Arabic, and may have had Arabic names forced on them over time. Indeed, there are differences between Arabs who have become Christians (as a few did in the 19th and early 20th centuries) and those Arabic-using Christians — Maronites, Copts, Assyrians, Chaldeans — who are not Arabs, but some of whom have, in order to survive in an ever-threatening Muslim sea, had to find their role as “Arabs” or even, in the manner of the Christian Syrian Michel Aflaq (one of the founders of Ba’athism), become hyper-Arab nationalists, as promoters of an Arab identity, pan-Arabism, the whole works —  an alternative to Islam (they were fooling themselves, because pan-Arabism for Muslim Arabs was never a real alternative to Islam, but merely a temporary goal, a subset, of the goal of a reunified Muslim world. In the end Islam triumphed).

Not every ill that befell the non-Muslims in the Muslim world, or non-Arabs in the Muslim Arab world, can be attributed to colonial powers. There were French, during the time of the “presence francaise” who brought schools, hospitals, modern agriculture, and other elements of modern civilization, to North Africa (in Morocco and Tunisia, over about half-a-century; and in Algeria, over a 132-year period) who were quite capable of distinguishing Berbers from Arabs, and it was not their pressure that caused some Berbers to forget their own identity, any more than it was France as the guarantor of the Christians in Lebanon and Syria who caused some to make themselves hyper-Arabs. Aflaq co-founded the Ba’ath party with two associates not when the French seemed to be there to stay, but when it was clear that they would, in a few years, be leaving, and Arab nationalism would be the cover to protect the Arab Christians from Islam.

Aflaq’s “Ba’athism” came to dominate only two countries, and for two similar reasons. The first was Syria, with a large Christian population, and with a powerful military caste, the Alawites, who were not regarded as orthodox Muslims, were indeed disliked by orthodox Muslims for the obvious elements of syncretism in their worship (go to an Alawite village and see the pictures of Mary everywhere), these Alawites who had been miserable under the domination of Sunni Islam  but under that of the French formed part of the Troupes speciales,  were trained to fight, and when the French left, the Alawites remained in the army, and the air force (with Colonel Hafez al-Assad), and gradually took over, in the way that people or groups always take over in the Muslim Middle East — through the application, or threat, of military force. In Syria Ba’athism tried to disguise, was the facade, for the rule by the Alawites.

In Iraq, Ba’athism took a different turn. There, the Sunnis knew that they were numerically far inferior to the Shi’a, even if they kept denying it. Nonetheless,  once they were put in control of modern Iraq, by the British, they never lost their grip  until the Americans arrived in 2003 and overturned the old order.

The Hashemite king, Feisal, a Sunni, was put in control of Iraq, and aided throughout the 1920s by British troops, and such British civilians as the celebrated archaeologist Gertrude Bell, until finally, the expense of suppressing the tribes, and the obvious hopelessness of it all, caused the British to leave. It was Winston Churchill who described Mesopotamia (Iraq) as an “ungrateful volcano.” And when the British left, the local Arabs solemnly promised not to harm the local Christians, and five months after the last British troops pulled out, Muslim Arabs killed up to 100,000 largely helpless Assyrians. (William Saroyan wrote a book about it).

Everywhere Muslims spreading Islam are careful to present it as the vehicle for whatever grievance the potential local converts may have. If it is black prisoners in the United States, then Islam is presented as the vehicle both of “social justice” (see how Muslim ruling classes everywhere seize the national wealth, see how well the poor are treated in Muslim countries), and against “racism.” And the Infidels do little or nothing. Have you seen any campaigns of deliberate counter-Da’wa anywhere in the prisons of the West? It would be easy to show, and to keep showing, perhaps by organizing the “Lost Boys” of the Sudan, that anti-black racism, of the purest and most virulent kind, is found among the Arabs. Anyone who has studied in an Arab country returns amazed at what is openly said about blacks, and not a few are shaken. Anyone who looks into the history of African slavery soon discovers that the Arab slave trade began earlier, and ended later, than that of the Europeans – or rather, ended formally later, but actually continues, in several countries, to this day. Why is this not screamed from every housetop? Why have the countries of the advanced world, that have poured $400 billion into aid to black Africa, not tried to halt the spread of the most retrograde force, a force which encourages the habit of mental submission, and which, in its inshallah-fatalism, is in fact fatal to economic development, not tried to stop the spread of Islam? If they have the wellbeing of black Africans at heart, they must begin to understand, and to share their understanding, that Islam has been, is, and always will be, a force that hinders, with that inshallah-fatalism and that habit of mental submission, any possibility of either economic or intellectual development.

The evidence is there. What sustained the Muslims for centuries, at a low level, was simply the accumulated intellectual capital of those peoples whom they conquered, and slowly leached of life, and of property as well. Now North Africa and the Middle East are virtually emptied of the local non-Muslims who once provided a certain supply of Jizyah. What sustains the Arabs and Muslims are two things, and only two things; the new disguised Jizyah of Western foreign aid (which should be ended, and used to meet the new expenses of monitoring Muslim populations in the West), and the manna of oil wealth, entirely undeserved, and the only conceivable way that the Arabs and Muslims might acquire great wealth – through an accident of geology. Are the peoples of black Africa to be misled into thinking that they, too, will somehow share in that wealth if they are Muslim?

There was once a very large and intelligent, because it focused on small-scale, doable projects, aid effort by Israel in black Africa. It was the most successful of all such foreign aid efforts. It was widespread. It was widely welcomed. But it came to an end, after the Six-Day War, under Arab pressure, and bribery – the same bribery that caused several dozen African states, under Arab command, to break diplomatic relations with Israel. Some of those African states no doubt thought that the Arabs would share just a little of that vast unearned wealth – if only to replace what Israel, a tiny country, had so remarkably provided. It was not to be. It will never be. The Arab Muslims are trying in Africa to dominate the Continent. They are patient. They are methodical. In West Africa, where Islam is already dominant, as in uranium-rich Niger, they have transformed the easygoing, syncretistic practice of Islam to something much more akin to what can be seen in Saudi Arabia. And everywhere mosques are becoming subject to the strictures of those who pay for them, or pay the imams – and that usually means the Saudis. In some countries that once had a clear Christian majority, such as the Ivory Coast, the Christians are feeling besieged by Muslims who come in from the north, and the French government under Chirac understood their fear, but did not support the local black Christians, but rather attempted to appease the world’s Muslims. Boko Haram has not been stopped; it becomes more powerful every day and not just in Nigeria.

In East Africa, when the black Africans rose up against their Arab masters in Zanzibar and Pemba some decades ago (the slave trade by the Arabs in East Africa had been centered there – indeed, the Sultan of Muscat and Oman had for a time ruled directly from Zanzibar), little was made of this in the West. No one discussed the long history of the Arab slave trade, with its practice of castrating black children when they were first caught, and then taking them by slave coffle or dhow to the slave markets of Islam, a trip which about 10% survived (see “The Hideous Trade” by Jan Hogedorn). And so the Arabs have continued their march southward. The Sudan had very few Arabs in the southern part one hundred years ago. But steadily they have taken territory, pushed back, killed, black Africans. 1.8 million non-Muslim blacks were killed, or deliberately starved to death, in the southern Sudan in the last two decades. Not content with that, not content with having seized complete control of the oil wealth that lies under the Christian and animist areas of the artificial state of Sudan, the Arabs are now trying to seize, by mass murder, the lands as well of the Muslim, but non-“Arab” blacks of Darfur. The campaign of mass rape, destruction of property, and killing of every man, woman and child they can get their hands on has been reported and reported, and reported. It has been reported without any understanding of Islam as a vehicle for Arab supremacism (the nicholas-kristofs of this world never bothered to figure out what was going on, what ideology prompted the Janjaweed and the Sudanese government that supported it, or the other Arab and Muslim governments that ran interference for that Sudanese government), but are content with writing endless columns of easy anguish.

Americans and other Infidel peoples should be supporting Ethiopian efforts to halt the spread of Islam, or of the purest kind of Islam, whether in Somalia or in Ethiopia itself, and to help Ethiopia remain a Christian kingdom that can help prevent the takeover of southern East Africa by Islam. Muslims owe their loyalty to the umma al-islamiyya, to fellow Muslims. It would make sense, in Africa, for the Americans not only to have handfuls of advisors and troops here and there, but to engage in propaganda. This propaganda, which happens to be the truth simply megaphoned to make a point, should describe in vivid detail the history of the Arab slave trade. It should explain to Africans that slavery is permanently sanctioned by both Qur’an and Sunnah, and can therefore never, within Islam, be banished. It should detail the continuing racism of the Arabs. And it should show how Islam stands in the way of economic and other kinds of development in two ways: in the encouragement of the habit of mental submission, central to Islam, and in the inshallah-fatalism that limits economic activity, and how Islam has relied on two kinds of manna: the Jizyah that is demanded from, or voluntarily supplied by, non-Muslims, and the oil wealth that has resulted from an accident of geology. And despite the thirty trillion dollars that the Arab and Muslim states have received from oil revenues since 1973, not a single one has managed to create a real economy, not a single one–those, like Turkey or Tunisia or Lebanon, that had both a large non-Muslim or secular class, and income from tourism and trade to count on — has ceased to be hopelessly dependent on oil.

Islam, as it spreads, will merely guarantee that the countries and peoples of sub-Saharan Africa will be forced to endure the political, economic, social, moral, and intellectual failures of Muslim states and societies – failures whose source can be found in Islam itself.

Do we wish black Africa well, or ill? If we do wish to help the peoples of black Africa, preventing or halting the spread of Islam makes sense. And it makes sense for us to help others, such as the Berbers who were fighting in Ghaadia, to  regain their history, their language and their culture, and it makes sense for us, in other ways, as well to promote pride in pre- or non-Islamic culture, among the many peoples called “Muslim” who have another identity to look to, if they feel the impulse to do so.

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Comments

  1. Buraq says

    Jul 20, 2015 at 9:55 am

    An article that repositions the standpoint from which I see the world, clarifying and expanding the view, is a measure of its relevance and profound effect. This is such a one.

    Good stuff, more please!

    • sinantara says

      Jul 20, 2015 at 10:51 am

      Yes, here in Indonesia too we have a cultural war going on, between traditional, reformist and fundamentalist Islam, felt by many Javanese as Arab cultural imperialism. I have a friend who converted to Christianity because he felt that Javanese culture was overtaken by “Arab” culture. And I once spoke to the Mangku of Lingsar, a Sasak from Lombok who stated, why are they saying we are not Muslim? We’re just not Arabs.
      I guess it is like that in many places. I once read an excellent piece by an Afghan journalist but have forgotten his name who wrote that the Taliban are the product of war orphans who were educated in Pakistani madrasah where they were alienated from their tribal culture. Stated Shah Masood, a Tajik, we don’t adhere to that kind of Islam (of the Taliban). And he was murdered by an Arab suicide bomber, probably after having been declared an apostate. I think this all will lead to a 30 year war of the Islamic world, which has already started in Syria and Iraq–and the west should wise up and know what stance to take. During the cold war if a dictator wanted to have US aid he only needed to declare himself a democrat and vice versa, whoever wanted USSR aid needed to talk declare himself anti capitalist and socialist. Then after the cold war both sides were stuck with their Suharto’s, Ceausecus, Somozas, Pol Pots, Kim’s… And now? When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn.

  2. mortimer says

    Jul 20, 2015 at 10:30 am

    A very fine article describing Arab racism and supremacism, but Fitzgerald should have stopped about 2/3 of way, rather than branch out on another still important topic…discrimination against black Africans.

    • Mitch says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 10:46 am

      True, Mortimer, Hugh did give us two articles (one on the general Arab supremacism of Islam, the other on the related topic of specific racism against blacks) but I’m not complaining.

      I get the impression that Hugh is not a careful writer (in the sense of outlining, proofing, etc — he seems to dash these off) but he has obviously been a careful scholar. So when he decides to write one of these gems, he just opens the intellectual spigot and lets it pour out. There’s an honesty and strength in this style of Hugh’s that I, for one, would not change.

  3. Wellington says

    Jul 20, 2015 at 10:39 am

    An article which inspires hope. We need that nowadays. Thanks, Hugh Fitzgerald.

  4. Angemon says

    Jul 20, 2015 at 10:45 am

    Superb piece, Mr. Fitzgerald 😀

  5. Don McKellar says

    Jul 20, 2015 at 12:32 pm

    Arab supremacists. Well, there’s white supremacists. The Chinese government even supports the crazy theory of Chinese people evolving separately from other humans! The Japanese are notoriously racist — and make few apologies. And it goes on and on. Based on the way human beings are by nature, this is a very logical way to explain a lot in Islam.

    The tragedy of Islam’s strangle of Africa in this piece is very strong and illuminating. This is, IMHO, a seminal piece that should be required reading and discussion in all relevant courses in universities across the world. If it were, it would change the world. For the better. Of course, that would mean the withdrawal of all that Saudi moslem propaganda millions from Harvard, Georgetown, et al., and that ensures that it simply won’t happen.

    • Western Canadain says

      Jul 20, 2015 at 7:47 pm

      Your assessment of Japan is out of date.

      • JIMJFOX says

        Aug 8, 2015 at 6:58 am

        Not so. Japanese ‘racism’ is founded on preserving their current cultural
        norms against invasion by outside elements. They have a sensible objection to Islam [and some other influences] introducing ideas and practices that are
        unsuited to the Japanese character.
        ‘Racism’ is the fashionable sacred cow of western liberal thought. It’s time
        to re-assess what we mean by the term. Repudiating Islam’s evil doctrines is
        not racism but plain common sense, to ensure your culture’s survival.

    • Kepha says

      Jul 20, 2015 at 9:12 pm

      Mr. McKellar–You are correct about the Chinese government. It always makes me wince that this is a government for which any discussion of alternative political parties is anathema, but it is alright to press a kind of racial chauvinism.

    • shams78 says

      Jul 20, 2015 at 9:49 pm

      Wrong McHeller.

      Firstly, the idea of the multiregional origin of humans with separate Homo ancestors (Chinese descended from Peking Man, Australian Aboriginals descended from Java Man, Europeans from Neanderthal) was first propagated by 19th and early 20th century European scientists.

      Second, the idea of multiregional origin of humans is still ultimately an “Out of Africa” theory, seeing as multiregional proponents say that all humans had a common ancestor, only it was Homo habilis who was this common ancestor and moved out of Africa to evolve into separate Homo erectus branches (Java man and Peking Man), whilst the “Out of Africa” proponents say that those earlier Homo erectus branches like Peking Man and Java Man died off with no modern descendants and were replaced by Homo sapians which descended from the African version of Homo erectus, moved out of Africa, and killed off or displaced earlier asian Homo erectus branches.

      It is still out of Africa and still says humans all had a common ancestor, only several million years back than the out of Africa proponents.

      DNA testing of ancient Hominid remains have shown that the multiregional hypothesis is psrtially correct, as it shows that Europeans, Asians and Native Americans have Neanderthal DNA while Sub-Saharan Africans do not, Europeans have around 2% and some Asians have around 4%.

      Asians, Melanasians and Australian Aborigines have the DNA of another ancient Hominid, the Denisovan man with east asians having just a little while Aboriginals having up to 4%. No other humans have Denisovan DNA.

      • Kepha says

        Jul 21, 2015 at 9:36 am

        Shams78: I read Don McKellar’s post simply as reportage on what the Chinese government said, not as support for a polygenetic origin for human “races”.

        It is a fact that the Chinese government has strong commitments to nationalistic ideology, which is supported by the idea of a unique origin of the Chinese people (a little like the ancient Athenian view that they were _Avtochthonoi_–or sprung from their own soil and separate from others, including other Greeks). Looking a little further, the Chinese government’s understanding of cultural development is strongly influenced by the 19th century American anthropologist Lewis Henry Morgan, who posited a theory of cultural evolution parallel with physical evolution. Morgan had a strong influence on Marx 老马–她是哪一省哪一县的人呢?Hence, since Lewis’ theory of cultural evolution dovetailed nicely with Marx’s theory of progress, it is clear why it was influential in Communist China.

        BTW, Uncle Kepha has little sympathy for a polyphyletic origin of human “races”–[God]hath made of one blood all the nations of men for to dwell on the face of the earth. (Acts 17:26].

      • Angemon says

        Jul 21, 2015 at 8:31 pm

        shams78 posted:

        “Firstly, the idea of the multiregional origin of humans with separate Homo ancestors (Chinese descended from Peking Man, Australian Aboriginals descended from Java Man, Europeans from Neanderthal) was first propagated by 19th and early 20th century European scientists.”

        Which is unrelated to, and tells us nothing regarding, whether or not the Chinese government supports it, as Don McKellar said.

        I see a lot of distracting fluff but no actual rebuttal to what Don wrote – typical of a poor thinker and even worse debater.

        • shams78 says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 12:13 am

          Stop it with your queer agenda. I don’t know why you have such a large tumescence for me and Semeru.

          The “crazy theory” has been shown to be partially true with DNA evidence extracted from Denisovan and Neanderthal bones which were found in East Asian peoples. And the multiregional hypothesis says that the common ancestor of humans was several hundreds of thousands of years further than the Out of Africa theory. It does not say that humans are not descended from a common ancestor. All Homo erectus subspecies are viewed as descendants of Homo habilis by the multiregional hypothesis.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 6:10 am

          The sham posted:

          “Stop it with your queer agenda. I don’t know why you have such a large tumescence for me and Semeru.”

          Do notice, my logically handicapped friend, you’re the one bringing queerness and semeru into the mix, not me. I merely pointed out your clumsy sleight-of-hand. Just further evidence that I was completely right when I said you are a poor thinker and a worst debater. As for my large tumescence, don’t let that make you feel inadequate – just keep telling yourself that size doesn’t matter. Don’s post still stands, despite your impersonation of a shrieking monkey throwing his feces around.

        • particolor says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 6:35 am

          Neanderthal 90% Homo Erectus 10% = Muslim

        • IQ al Rassooli says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 6:56 am

          particolor

          With all due respect to you, why INSULT Neanderthals?

          Muslims have ZERO logic when addressing the subjects of beliefs and or politics

          If you can find a single Muhammadan Muslim to debate me his ‘religion’ and wins I am very happy to pay him $100,000 & when he looses I expect a reward of $100,000!

          Any takers?

          IQ al Rassooli
          Kafir & Proud!

        • particolor says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 7:23 am

          I can see tomorrows Headlines !… Man swamped by “Victims with Mental Illness” for Debate .

        • shams78 says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 10:24 am

          Twink, you are the one who ran away from the debate after I pointed out that Jews served in the Ottoman navy against Christians when you claimed slave raiders were all Muslims.

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/indonesia-muslims-expel-thousands-of-christians-from-a-christian-scout-camp-because-it-is-ramadan/comment-page-2#comment-1265928

        • Angemon says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 10:45 am

          The sham posted:

          “Twink, you are the one who ran away from the debate after I pointed out that Jews served in the Ottoman navy against Christians when you claimed slave raiders were all Muslims.”

          More distracting fluff from the poor thinker and even worse debater. Do keep in mind, my logical-challenged friend, that we are discussing Don’s statement, not what happened somewhere else. I know muslims like to flop all around, changing issues whenever they’ve argued themselves into a corner, but you’re abusing it, even by your standards.

          As for that other topic, you’re a liar – first of all, I never said slave raiders were all muslim. I said that muslims raided European shores for slaves, which is a demonstrable truth, unaffected by whether or not Jews did the same.

          Second, like I said long before the post you’re linking to, you were engaging in all manner of tu-quoquery, lies and irrelevant subjects to draw the focus of discussion away from muslims committing wrongdoing in the name of their moon god. If you want to play the “HA HA YOU DID NOT REPLY TO SOMETHING UNRELATED THEREFORE YOU LOSE” game feel free to do so. But this is not your muslim circle jerk – people here have a higher degree of critical thinking and factual analysis that you or your correligionists will ever expect to possess, so don’t expect to get any traction.

          Thirdly, you never managed to rebut what I said there: muslims treated Jews far worse than Catholics did, and that’s because of what their war manual – the quran – teaches.

          Feel free to keep pelting your feces around, though. And keep in mind that Don’s statement is still standing – that is what the argument is about, other topics or not, just in case you’ve “forgotten”.

        • shams78 says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 11:52 am

          Yā Lūtī, it is clear you suffer from dyslexia, chronic lying disorder, low IQ, or lack the ability to read at all. I gave repeated instances on what JEWS thought of and treated Christians, I never said anything about how Muslims view Jews. You responded to my statement about the Jewish Nasi family helping the Ottomans by saying Muslims were the ones raiding and enslaving Christians, you have yet to respond to any of the points I made about the Nasi family, Disraeli, Foxman, Herzl, Azerbaijan, Jewish castration of Christian European boys, Sinan Reis, Jews spitting on Armenian ORTHODOX priests etc. It is clear you are a Jew or a self hating white.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 12:16 pm

          The sham posted:

          “Yā Lūtī, it is clear you suffer from dyslexia, chronic lying disorder, low IQ, or lack the ability to read at all.”

          Says the guy who lied and said I claimed all raiders were muslims. Prove it or retract your words – pelting insults around won’t help you.

          “I gave repeated instances on what JEWS thought of and treated Christians, I never said anything about how Muslims view Jews.”

          Like I said, muslims treated Jews worse than Catholics ever did. You don’t need to tell about how muslims view Jews because we know that from your books and sources – apes and pigs, allah’s wrath is upon them, etc.

          Of course, you go to imply that ALL Jews hate Christians – that’s the “split and conquer” game you’re trying to play. Try stormfront – they might fall for it, since they’re close (although slightly above) to your level of intellectual debate.

          “ You responded to my statement about the Jewish Nasi family helping the Ottomans by saying Muslims were the ones raiding and enslaving Christians”

          I said – and pay attention because this is a historical fact – that muslims raided European shores for slaves for centuries. This – and I know I’m repeating myself here, but it seems you have a built-in fact protection, like most muslims – is not up for discussion because it’s supported by historical facts, recorded in European and muslim sources, and your fluff can’t change that.

          “you have yet to respond to any of the points I made about the Nasi family, Disraeli, Foxman, Herzl, Azerbaijan, Jewish castration of Christian European boys, Sinan Reis, Jews spitting on Armenian ORTHODOX priests etc.”

          Oh, you mean your irrelevant tu-quoquery that is unrelated to the matter at hand? Don’s post still stands, much like what I said about muslims raiding European shores for slaves.

        • shams78 says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 2:03 pm

          Stop trying to hide your ethnicity from the white lurkers here. Your ancestors castrated Europeans and sold them into slave markets, helped pillage European shores, bankrolled and encouraged Ottoman wars against Europeans, lobbied for Sultan Hamid II after he slaughtered the Armenians, help deny the Armenian genocide, sold Turkey weapons for decades, helped encourage the bombing of Serbia, and spit on Armenian Christian Priests. Grow a pair and admit your ancestors war crimes and atrocities on European Christians.

        • Angemon says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 2:25 pm

          The sham posted:

          “Stop trying to hide your ethnicity from the white lurkers here.”

          Oy vey! Regulars here should be acquainted with my ethnicity and background since I never made any attempt to hide it – unless, that is, if by “hide” you mean “specifically mention it several times on this website, where we are not allowed to edit or delete posts”. If that’s the case, then guilty as charged.

          You, on the other hand, always avoided that question as the plague – just ask Philip Jihadski.

          As for the rest of your post, it’s just a pathetic string of bogus ad-hominems based on a bogus assumption from a muslim poor thinker brainwashed into hating Jews and taught to propagate hatred of Jews.

          What I said still stands: muslims went slave raiding on European shores for centuries, and you’ve failed to counter what Don said – whatever amount of brown, stinky fluff you can grab by the handful out of your over-sized orifice won’t change that.

        • IQ al Rassooli says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 2:46 pm

          shams 78

          As USUAL with Brain Dead followers of Muhammad, you pick on Jews (currently 0.2% of humanity) and BLAME them for ALL the problems of Muslims, Christians and the world!

          From the collapse of economies, the slaughter of Muslims by Muslims to the Indonesian Tsunami

          I have had a challenge worth $100,000 to find a SINGLE follower of Muhammad with TWO brain cells of logic when addressing the subject of the CULT of Muhammadan Islam because I KNOW if such a creature has two brain cells of logic he would immediately throw away the shackles of Sharia

          First and foremost it was the newly established ‘Christian’ leadership under Roman Emperor Constantine that they immediately started discriminating against, plundering, forcing into conversion, denial of any human rights against the Jews of the Roman Empire culminating in the European Holocaust.

          Whatever UNSUBSTANTIATED accusations you made about the Jews vis a vis the Christians are one per million in comparison

          Most relevant of all is the FACT that the 0.2% of Jews (the alleged descendants of Apes & Pigs) outproduce and out perform Ummat Muhammad of 20% of current humanity in every field of human endeavour by a factor of 1000:1

          Just to make sure our readers would believe me I offer you the sum of $10,000 if you can name TEN followers of Muhammad from among 2000,000,000 who have contributed anything towards the advancement and betterment of humanity in the last 500 years!

          I also offer you the sum of $200,000 if you can show us all a SINGLE operative verse in Muhammad’s Quran that contains any Compassion and Mercy towards Infidels/ Kuffar from over 6200 verses in the Quran

          Please do us ALL a favour: Put Up or forever Shut Up!

          IQ al Rassooli
          Kafir & Proud!

  6. vox populi says

    Jul 20, 2015 at 3:02 pm

    … maybe we should remind islamists suprematists that they invented absolutely NOTHING in the past 1400 years, apart maybe the burka. if they would really be coherent, they should give up on aspirin, vaccines, fertilizers, gasoline, cars, ships and planes, cement, construction steel, oil, gas, electricity, surgical facilities & medicines, telephones, internet, twitter etc. none of them existed back in 632 A.C. …

  7. Draki says

    Jul 20, 2015 at 3:04 pm

    Are there any verses in the Koran or the Hadith that support arab supremacy?

    • particolor says

      Jul 21, 2015 at 2:22 am

      “You are the Best of people !!” 🙁
      And now that we have Sucked You All In, and you have done all our Dirty Work, we will decide when You are not Arabic Enough !! 🙁 Hasta La Vista Baby ! 🙁
      ..Dhimmi Slave…..

    • JIMJFOX says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 3:20 am

      Are you the disingenuous liar you seem- or merely completely ignorant of the koran?

  8. rubiconrest says

    Jul 20, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    Very interesting article making a point I have not seen anywhere else. What do these many cultures that arabs are trying to put in their tent owe to Islam? Probably very little. They may not want to be lumped in with them and want to distance themselves from the mayhem Islam brings.

  9. Ren says

    Jul 20, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    An arab supremacism? Arab culture is over 1000 years old and remains as such with its traditions and beliefs that have not evolved since. Who would wish to living back in time? Certainly not me!

  10. Kepha says

    Jul 20, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    Hugh Fitzgerald: Good to see you back here, even if you and I have very different views of ultimate reality.

    I’m of the mind, though, that incuriosity, insularity, national/racial chauvinism, and politics all conspire to keep such things as the the Arab/Muslim role the African slave trade, the religious aspects of the long Sudan conflict, and the Zanzibar revolution of 1964 from the American public.

    The politics are pretty obvious. Malcolm X was made an icon of the Civil Rights Movement, that great effort to exorcise our great American demon of racism (and, even reactionary Uncle Kepha sees racism as one of the banes of our national existence); hence the Islam he represented gained a great deal of legitimacy. With Malcolm X as the vector by which Islam was made respectable to a whole generation of Americans, American journalists and politicians have chosen not to notice the ethnic prejudices present in Islamic cultures.

    Also, Americans suffer from a kind of insularity that is the birthright of every great nation. We look at the world through a prism of who or what has impacted our history. Thus our view of the world, when it looks beyond our own shores, is overly focused on Europe (important as Europe is to our history and present-day security, the degree to which the lands on the other side of the Pacific are ignored in our national discourse was underscored by how many in our “chattering classes” took Sarah Palin’s saying that Russia was next to Alaska was proof of her stupidity). Also, much as i despise the whole Kennedy clan, I honestly think that when young Teddy helped push through his immigration bill in the 1960’s, he was also oblivious to how it would radically change the origins of most of our immigrant populations, but sincerely believed he was going to rebuild the Polish-, Italian-, and Irish-American constituencies which had historically been important to his party.

    Further, the importance of the European tradition even to the clowns who pretend they’re “multi-cultural” comes out in that there’s an undercurrent that sees the non-Western world as “historyless” (a viewpoint straight out of that quintessential European Karl Marx)–or are “historyless” until “we” get involved with them. This is why I can walk into the public libraries of a supposedly sophisticated and cosmopolitan county in the Northeast Urban Corridor and find virtually nothing about Southeast Asia covering anything earlier than the Second Indochina War–as if Angkorian Cambodia, Sukhothai, Bagan, Dvaravati, Champa, Annam, Srivijaya, etc.simply never existed. It’s now even hard to find histories of the French First Indochina War! I suspect the only reason why we are starting to see some histories of pre-modern China and Korea is simply because our community is full of people descended from those two countries. But even these histories are poorly represented when compared to what is available on Western Europe.

    Further, materials on the Dar-al-Islam and even the Middle East in general are scanty if you’re looking for anything about the region prior to World War One–and the Middle East during World War One is important chiefly because of how it impacts the later Arab-Israeli conflict.

    But if such important regions as the southern tier of Asia get slighted, what must happen to our consciousness of poor Africa? I doubt that the average American–including the supposedly ejjikumated ones–know much more beyond reruns of Tarzan movies and perhaps some bizarre Afrocentric fantasies that stray from quarantine.

    These, perhaps, are reasons why the Arabs and Muslims are exonerated from their grotesque and long-standing role in the African slave trade; and why our policy makers probably pay scant attention to that whole Senegal-Kenya savanna belt where conflict between the Dar ul-Islam and Dar ul-Harb is starting to get nastier by the day. It’s why if you point out that, as the scion of East African Muslims, Obama probably had relatives involved in kidnapping, castrating, and selling African slaves long after the last Sothron slaveowner was ruined by the Civil War, you’ll draw a blank stare.

    Hmmm. A bone to our British readers. The last point about Obama may be why the O so pointedly ignored your government’s inaugural gift of a desk made from the timbers of a British warship once involved in interdicting the slave trade. Hat tip to the shade of Wilberforce, one of my heroes in history.

    So, Hugh, keep a few more such articles coming. America needs a lot more historical education.

    Best regards,

    That professional swindler of the young–oops, public high school history teacher

    Uncle Kepha

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Jul 21, 2015 at 8:52 am

      Kepha

      have you read James Parkes? He wrote an excellent little book called “The Story of Jerusalem”, and another one called “Whose Land?”, much of which comprises a useful account of the history of the Land of Israel – ha’aretz, The Land – from the period immediately after the time of Christ, all the way through to the re-establishment of the Jewish state of Israel. Along the way there are gems like this summary of the Mameluke dynasty – “By intrigue and assassination they ascended the throne, and by intrigue and assassination they perished”.

      For the Copts of Egypt, there is an article by Bat Yeor “A Christian Minority: The Copts In Egypt” – in Spencer’s “The Myth of Islamic Tolerance”, that sums up 1200 years of agonising history with lapidary clarity.

      If you want to subvert your students’ officially-inculcated view of the world, find and give to them the following – which are both rattling good reads – John Roy Carlson, “Cairo to Damascus” – and Australian WWI soldier and author Ion L Idriess, “The Desert Column” (which covers what it was like to be an Aussie soldier fighting the Turkish Muslims at Gallipoli…and then covers the lightning campaign by the Light Horse under Allenby and Chauvel, from Egypt as far as Jaffa, where Idriess received the wound that sent him out of the war).

      • Kepha says

        Jul 21, 2015 at 9:25 am

        Thanks, DDA. I’ll certainly looks for the war memoirs you mentioned. As for Parkes, I don’t have to be taught that ‘Eretz Yisroel was a territorial football kicked around between various empires, edpopulated and resettled, etc. And as a geezer, I can actually remember the invention of a “Palestinian” nationality around 1970. I’m also hunting for good accounts of what life as a Dhimmi was actually like.

        However, one issue that I have in the classes that I teach is that most of the students have limited English–some are rank beginners who’ve just stepped off a plane or, in numerous cases, slipped under the noses of our Border Patrol. I’m going to be doing a bit of snooping for videos and visual representations, too.

        A further issue, though: Too many of my students from the Middle East, including Christians, see Adolf Hitler as a very sympathetic figure for his strong leadership, nationalism, and, it utterly pains me to say this, for what he did to the Jews. There’s also some sympathy for that Austro-German horror among some Latin American students, who have been showered with Leftist narrative their whole lives, including the pefidy of the JOOOOOOOOZ for what they did to the “Palestinians”.

        However, having had a few Iraqi Shi’ite students who had uncles and cousins dug out of mass graves by the US Army, I can get them to sympathetically understand how other tribes of the earth have also suffered very greatly. I’ve also had a Muslim Falastin Arab student who asked what there was to know about Jesus, and heard a rumor that he started reading the New Testament (my suggestion) after graduation. So there’s hope.

        • shams78 says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 12:23 am

          Muslims are not allowed to castrate humans under Sharia. Castration was done by non-Muslims living in the territory of the Caliphates.

          Sephardic Jews castrated European boys in Medieval Muslim ruled Al-Andalus (Iberia) and sold these European eunuchs and European girls into the harems of the Arabs. The Ummayad Caliphs in Al-Andalus and Abbasid Caliphs had harems of thousands of white concubines and white eunuchs

          Sephardic Jewish pirates like Sinan Reis served in the Ottoman navy against European Christians.

          Coptic monks in Egypt castrated black African boys and sold them into the harems of the Ottomans. It was these Coptic monks who were responsible for the 90% death rate of castrated African slaves since they were crude in their methods. Except the author of the article forgot to mention that Copts were doing it to Africans and not Muslims.

          The Sephardic Jews were apparently more skilled in the operation since the European boys didn’t have the apalling death rate.

          Europeans themselves were often responsible for selling these Europen boys and girls to the Sephardic Jewish slave merchants and Arabs. Your Viking ancestors sold captured European boys and girls into slavery to Arabs where they ended up in the harems and Sephardic Jews in Al-Andalus received European boys from France to practice their knife sharpening skills on.

          I see someone below commenting on Swedish culture, in the Medieval times Swedes were selling fellow Europeans into slavery to Arabs.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 21, 2015 at 8:27 pm

      Kepha posted:

      “Further, the importance of the European tradition even to the clowns who pretend they’re “multi-cultural” comes out in that there’s an undercurrent that sees the non-Western world as “historyless””

      There’s seemingly a counter-current movement to that notion – just ask Sweden’s (allegedly) conservative former Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt who stated in 2006 that the original Swedish culture was merely barbarism and everything good was imported from abroad.

  11. carpediadem says

    Jul 21, 2015 at 3:13 am

    “These, perhaps, are reasons why the Arabs and Muslims are exonerated from their grotesque and long-standing role in the African slave trade; and why our policy makers probably pay scant attention to that whole Senegal-Kenya savanna belt where conflict between the Dar ul-Islam and Dar ul-Harb is starting to get nastier by the day.”

    Nope. It’s because the Left and Western govts, in pursuit of Agenda 21 and worldwide socialism, are using the Arabs and Islam as weapons against “their” own people.

  12. Kilfincelt says

    Jul 21, 2015 at 10:11 am

    Great article! Here are a couple of other books about the slave trade in the Muslim world. One is Robert C. Davis’s ” Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean. the Barbary Coast and Italy, 1500-1800. Another is “The Veiled Genocide” by Tidiane N’Diaye, a Senegalese Muslim. It is in French. While my French is rusty, I still understand enough to find that his description of the black slave trade by Muslims in the western part of Africa was just as horrifying as that in the east, particularly for those Africans who had to walk across the Sahara to the Muslim slave markets in the north of Africa. Furthermore, Muslim slave traders often acted as middlemen in the Transatlantic slave trade.

  13. Snow Hume says

    Jul 21, 2015 at 11:01 am

    The readers may be surprised to be informed that ISIS is a radically non-arabophile form of Islam. “Arabs are pussies” is a familiar theme among their young recruits. Converts from western European backgrounds are given preference over Tunisian and Algerican fighters. But, like the Pakistani Sayeeds and others in the Islamic world, they nonetheless have resorted to Arab-Asskissing, by fabricating an Iraqi background for Caliph Ibrahim Al-Baghdadi, who is a Chechen by birth, and has zero percent of Arab blood in him. But their young men here in Los Angeles never could give me a real justification as to how they could feel that way, and yet still pray in Arabic and recite Quran in Arabic.

  14. IQ al Rassooli says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 2:25 am

    I would like to add to this excellent expose the following:

    Dictionaries tell us that Islamization is to bring people to Islam which is submission to the will of ONE god called Allah & to believe that Muhammad was Rassool Allah meaning the messenger of Allah.

    All the definitions of the terms Islamize/ Islamization/Islamification sound benevolent and elevating similar to Christianizing which is bringing people to believe in, follow in the footsteps and or emulate Jesus Christ.

    In reality the terms Islamize/ Islamization/Islamification and to ‘bring under the influence of Islam’ are purposefully DECEIVING since they hide and obfuscate a very sinister meaning and agenda because the true implication is actually the Arabization of non Arab conquered peoples by Arab Islamic Imperialism

    The Arabs deliberately use the term Islamization to obliterate any connection to the fact that hundreds of millions of conquered peoples on three continents were NOT elevated by Islam but in reality Subjugated, Slaughtered, Humiliated, Marginalized and their history prior to their being dominated by the Arabs was utterly obliterated because according to the Muhammadan Muslim Arabs ANY history before the imposition of their Islam is called JAHILI meaning DAYS of IGNORANCE

    What this means is that the TRUE history of the conquered peoples STARTS from the moment the Arabs subjugated them and all the centuries of their history and achievements before Arab Islam are made null and void.

    This is why the Arabs – and their forced into conversion Muslims – throughout 1400 years of domination in Asia, Africa & Europe – were NEVER interested in Archaeology or the study of any history prior to Muhammad’s Islam.

    This is also why when the Arabs conquered Egypt, they burned the oldest manuscripts in the world in the Alexandria Library because when asked for guidance what to do with its contents Umar ibn al Khattab, the 2nd Khalifa told them “if it has nothing to do with the Quran, destroy it”

    The Archaeology, history and all researches done in the last 250 years in the Middle East, Asia & Africa were conducted and accomplished by Europeans without a single Muslim of substance being involved.

    The reasons why Islamization should be replaced by the perfectly accurate Arabization are the following FACTS that peoples subjugated by Arab Imperialism from every nationality, culture, tradition, colour or race have suffered and endured for the last 1400 years:
    1. Muhammad was an Arab
    2. His Quran is recited and written in Arabic
    3. Allah is the Arabian name of the supreme rock god of pagan Arabia among 360 other deities in stone centuries BEFORE Muhammad & his Quran
    4. Mecca is Arabian
    5. Medina is Arabian
    6. The Kaaba was the foremost holy place in Arabia for the pagan Arabs and has continued to be holy even under Islam
    7. The Black Stone (meteorite embedded into the wall of the Kaaba) was the most revered object by the pagan Arabs and has continued to be for the last 1400 years of Islam
    8. The Haj to Mecca was pagan Arabian
    9. Circum-ambulating the Kaaba was pagan Arabian
    10. All current traditions and fetishes during Haj were and continue to be in the footsteps of pagan Arabia
    11. The dress code of Muslims is Arabian
    12. The script of the conquered peoples was changed to Arabian
    13. Yahweh the name of the God of the Bible was forced to be transformed to Allah as well as the names of the gods of other subjugated peoples by the Arabs
    14. Even among the Shia Muslims, Ali was an Arab
    15. His revered sons Hasan & Hussein were Arabs
    16. Fatima the honoured daughter of Muhammad, an Arab
    17. Almost all the Imams of Shia Islam were Arabs

    Hence there is NOTHING Islamic about the utterly useless term of Islamization and everything to do with Arabization and or Arab Imperialism.

    Arab Imperialism – contrary to ALL the bull crap emanating from intellectually challenged so called scholars of Islam and their apologists – had been and continues to be the worst, most retrograde, most parasitic and least useful imperialism in the history of humanity simply because the hordes of Arabs who conquered and plundered five civilizations on three continents were among the least literate, the least civilized and cultured in their days.

    Uncivilized Arabs could not possibly have imparted an iota of value to the conquered nations BUT on the contrary, the Arabs Plagiarised, Plundered, Pirated and or Perverted everything of value ‘off the shelf’ so to speak from the subjugated peoples.

    They pillaged their language, their cultures, their sciences, their architecture, their art, their culinary, their language, their wealth and their religious terms.

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

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