Apparently Mohammed Emwazi has gotten too high-profile, too “controversial,” for the Islamic State, so they threw him under the bus. What cowardice. Either they believe what he was doing was right, in which they should have stood by him, or they think what he did was wrong, in which case they should come out and say so and hone on record saying they were against beheading.
Interesting to see that the Islamic State is just as cowardly and unwilling to stand by their own as are many of the entities in the West that they have vowed to destroy.
“Petrified Jihadi John ‘ABANDONS ISIS – fearing the terror group no longer has use for him,'” by Jake Burman, Express, July 27, 2015:
BRUTAL killer Mohammed Emwazi is believed to have fled Islamic State – because he fears the jihadi regime no longer has use for him.
It is thought Emwazi, dubbed Jihadi John, left the terror group several weeks ago and went on the run in Syria – reportedly trying to head to North Africa.
A source claimed ISIS would drop him “like a stone or worse if they feel he is no longer of any use to them”.
They said: “So it is possible he will end up suffering the same fate as his victims”.
The British terrorist, from London, is said to have been terrified by the publicity after he was identified as the sick murderer of British and American hostages – and fears being hunted down by British and US special forces in Iraq and Syria.
One priority of the allied forces is to track the 26-year-old and either bring him to justice or kill him.
Emwazi, who gained notoriety beheading innocent Western victims in ISIS propaganda footage, is also believed to fear his unmasking has diminished his value as an ISIS killer.
He is also apparently concerned that jealous fellow ISIS members might plot against him.
The computer science graduate may have teamed-up with a less well-known jihadist group somewhere in Syria, to try to keep a low profile.
Kuwaiti-born Emwazi is wanted for the sickening killings of journalists and aid workers Stephen Sotloff, James Foley, David Haines, Alan Henning and Peter Kassig.
A schoolfriend of the cold killer blasted Emwazi as “not a good Muslim” during his school years.
The ruthless extremist used to dress “like a gangster rapper”, according to the former friend.
She said: “He smoked drugs, drank and was violent towards other boys,” the anonymous friend said. “The fact he portrays himself as a strict Muslim is laughable and shameful.
“I never saw him pray or wear Islamic dress – he would not even mention religion at all.
“Being a Muslim myself I was very aware of it at the time. We had a gang and he was very much a part of it – which shows he is a total hypocrite.”…
“The fact he portrays himself as a strict Muslim is laughable and shameful.” The “anonymous friend” is another in the long parade of Muslims who try to shore up Islam’s sagging image by dissociating it from acts of hatred and violence committed in its name and in accord with its teachings. Emwazi might not be a “total hypocrite”; he is much more likely to be someone who realized that he was heading in the wrong direction with the drugs and drink, and decided to turn his life around by getting serious about his religion.
mortimer says
Emwazi’s friend said that “The ruthless extremist used to dress “like a gangster rapper”, according to the former friend….“I never saw him pray or wear Islamic dress – he would not even mention religion at all.”
HIDING AMONG US ARE ‘MODERATE’, non-practicing Muslims who are prepared to kill.
One act of JIHAD will bring forgiveness of all their SINS! That is what they are thinking as the prepare to commit murder of NICE, HELPFUL WESTERN PEOPLE.
These RADICAL CHIC JIHADISTS are walking past us EVERY DAY in Western countries.
DON’T BRING IN MORE TERRORISTS. You can’t tell a peaceful Muslim from a JIHADISTS. They look the same.
Nick D says
A scarier problem than “HIDING AMONG US ARE ‘MODERATE’, non-practicing Muslims who are prepared to kill”… its that people who are not Muslim, were never Muslim, do not come from Muslim backgrounds are also among as and converting to Islam to take part in these deeds.
Caroline says
Isis is a magnet for sadists, psychos, rapist murderers and the general dregs of society. Nothing devout about these people, it is just convenient that Islam just happens to approve of these practices..
In fact, they are pretty much mandatory.
gravenimage says
This is why Islam is so popular in prison, among the most vicious and sociopathic inmates.
Lia says
More important, when is this John coming home to the UK?
Champ says
DON’T BRING IN MORE TERRORISTS. You can’t tell a peaceful Muslim from a JIHADISTS. They look the same.
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Exactly, Mort!
Jaladhi says
As I always say – there are no moderate Muslims – they all follow the same murderous religion called Islam and they practice it in murderous ways. Call them whatever you want but they are no Gandhi!!
Don McKellar says
This last sentence makes me chuckle with the black humour in it:
“…someone who realized that he was heading in the wrong direction with the drugs and drink, and decided to turn his life around by getting serious about his religion.”
So he turns to ISALM! ahahhahahahaha! Talk about being caught between the devil and the deep blue sea!
It’s always so amazing how completely foolish these people are — never glimpsing the big picture until they go on the run. That’s if they haven’t had their throats slit one night by their comrades. It doesn’t matter if it’s communists or nazis or fascists or islamic supremacists — the story is always the same! You are useful to the cause, murdering for the cause, until you get “too big” for the cause and then they come up with ways to frame you as a threat to the cause, and then they murder you! It is always the same story.
Shmooviyet says
Haven’t similar things been said about Mo Abdulazeez? He was being too badly influenced by his “American friends”– wanted to get back in good with his religion.
Angemon says
Isn’t the ummah wonderful on its solidarity to with a needed member?
Too bad – you had your “fun”, now it’s time to face the consequences. Or are you afraid to go to the heavenly brothel that is the islamic paradise?
What “value” would that be? Any other cutthroat jihadi could do the same, and they could voice-over in English, or add subtitles, if he happened not to speak English.
I said it before and I’ll say it again: in any given totalitarian state you can never be safe. If your neighbour fancies one of your wives, or your job, or your car, or simply doesn’t like the way you look at him, or his wives, or his car, or how you envy his job, watch out: once you get accused of being anti-establishment it’s game over – even if the accusation can’t prove the charge (and it’s the islamic state we’re talking about, they chop heads first and ask questions later), you’ll become a social and professional pariah.
Draki says
Oh looks like the leader has decided you’re not useful anymore.
Huck Folder says
CAGE, TellMama, Antifa, NAMP… will WELCOME him with open arms.
He is umma, and Iblis looks after his own.
Simone Fields says
I wonder what has happened to John Cantlie?
duh_swami says
Run Johnny run…Grow eyes in the back of you head before you have no head. Allah is looking forward to demonstrating his mercy on you. Allah does not love those who run away…You won’t get any virgins either Johnny…and forget about those boys pure as pearls, they are not for you.
Iblis said to Allah, ‘give me a stick and I will kill that deserter’, so Allah gave him the ‘stick of brutal death’ and Iblis is hunting for John…He can run, but he can’t hide…Eventually Iblis will find John and the mercy of Allah will be upon him…Bye John…
Huck Folder says
Ah, allah, the greatest deceiver!
RonaldB says
I think this shows that the Islamic State is taking on more of the features of a real state.
One of the first principles of a Revolution is, it eats its own children. Translated, this means that the ideological fervor that is responsible for a new country or group is not consistent with the necessity for the new country to exist as a stable entity. The Islamic State is attempting to mint its own coins, set up local services, and have diplomatic relationships with other countries. Psychopaths like Emwazi give it a bad name, and they are more than willing to throw him under the bus once his usefulness is ended. Look at the history of any modern totalitarian state, and you will see firing squads facing its original supporters soon after it actually comes to power.
The smart response by the US would be to take advantage of the tribal tendencies now coming out in the Middle East: a viable Shi’ite Iraq, Sunni Iraq, Alewite Syria, Shi’ite Syria, Kurdistan, Shi’ite Hezbullah and even Iran. In other words, let all the sharks face each other.
In the past few years, the US has been involved in destroying or attempting to destroy, the Middle Eastern states that already existed: Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya. I’m not proud of these actions, but we have to live with them now. The new face of the Middle East is tribal, and we can still have strong boundaries holding off the Islamic State if we play the diplomatic cards right: mainly, stay out of the regional politics, with some limited support for entities like the Kurdish state.
gravenimage says
Ronald—with all respect—I don’t believe there’s any reason to believe that the Islamic State is poised to become more stable or any saner than it is now. Islam *always* eats it own, and never more so than in this most Islamic of states.
And while many revolutions have eaten their own children—the French, Russian, Cuban, and Iranian revolutions notably among then—this was not true of one of the very few (perhaps the only) rational revolutions—the American Revolution. There was no crazed internal purge of revolutionaries following that revolution—far from it.
RonaldB says
Hi gravenimage,
I’m very happy to engage in reasoned disagreement with you.
You are entirely correct, I think, about the American Revolution. The Revolution was based on the concepts of human rights and liberties, and so the revolutionary founders went on to write the world’s best constitution.
I’m not saying the Islamic State is any less dangerous or vicious, but it does wish to act more like a state, which includes social structures, bureaucracy, and foreign relations.
http://www.dw.com/en/documents-reveal-extensive-bureaucratic-structures-in-islamic-state/a-18066309
It’s almost inevitable that when a revolution degenerates into a dictatorship, the dictator, who now wishes to rule his domain, eliminates the very people who destroyed the last social structure. Hitler eliminated the SA and his main supporter for a long time, Ernst Rohm. Darkness at Noon is the story of an old bolshevik who may be an embarrassment to the murderous bureaucrat who emerged as dictator.
https://libcom.org/files/%5BArthur_Koestler%5D_Darkness_at_Noon.pdf
Fidel Castro sent Che Guevara, a revolutionary firebrand and psychopathic killer, to Bolivia to be killed.
But, I think our only real point of disagreement is the evolution of the Islamic State. It is, in my opinion, evolving as being not less dangerous, but more subtle and hidden. Think of Russia under Stalin from 1930 on, and the Great Famine. Stalin actually signed an agreement of non-subversion with the United States to gain diplomatic recognition in 1933. He killed perhaps 30 million people by starvation, but went to the trouble of seducing the very seducible press corp to hide the fact.
So, my prediction is, the Islamic State is going to stop sending out videos of beheadings. The beheadings will be done without publicity. The more open psychopaths such as Emwazi are now old hat for the Islamic State, which is coming to crave diplomatic deals more than the presence of Muslim psychopaths from around the world.
gravenimage says
RonaldB wrote:
I’m not saying the Islamic State is any less dangerous or vicious, but it does wish to act more like a state, which includes social structures, bureaucracy, and foreign relations…
But, I think our only real point of disagreement is the evolution of the Islamic State. It is, in my opinion, evolving as being not less dangerous, but more subtle and hidden. Think of Russia under Stalin from 1930 on, and the Great Famine. Stalin actually signed an agreement of non-subversion with the United States to gain diplomatic recognition in 1933. He killed perhaps 30 million people by starvation, but went to the trouble of seducing the very seducible press corp to hide the fact.
So, my prediction is, the Islamic State is going to stop sending out videos of beheadings. The beheadings will be done without publicity. The more open psychopaths such as Emwazi are now old hat for the Islamic State, which is coming to crave diplomatic deals more than the presence of Muslim psychopaths from around the world.
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Ronald, I certainly take your point that brutal revolutions often jettison their more “loose cannon” members, who are useful for violent revolt but not for a polity with the trappings of a state—even a dictatorship.
Your examples of the SA and Che Guevara are spot on.
But I’m not sure the Islamic State wants to develop the image of a civilized state—even deceptively.
So far, it seems the only “foreign relations” they are interested in is conquest.
And many things that are considered savage by civilized people such as ourselves—such as beheadings—are as you know deemed perfectly Islamic.
So far, the Islamic State and its offshoots in Libya and Nigeria seem just as savage to me.
As for the ultimate evolution, time will tell—especially if others do little to check its expansion, which certainly seems to be the case now.
Anyway, thanks for your considered response—always good to correspond with you.
Charli Main says
This piece of muslim shyte probably wants to get to Libya, so he can jump an a plank of wood, with ten thousand other ” refugees” and float about the Med: until the Italian navy ” rescues” him and brings him back to Europe.
As a “desparate asylum seeker” us Christian mugs will be rushing to give him a house, health care and a bag full of money.
Caroline says
Please don’t call this creature British, he is Kuwaiti. His father is back living in Kuwait, after claiming he would be persecuted there if Britain didn’t give him asylum. They are a family of parasites. Once Emwazi was revealed to be the loser nonentity that he is, his shock value was gone. He is just more cannon-fodder where Isis is concerned. May he get the end he richly deserves.
Babs says
I don’t know why he’s so scared. I am sure that Theresa May will clasp him to her bosom like a long lost son – her government is daft enough to let her do so and the UK government has done far, far worse.
jayell says
OK, chaps, who wants to be clasped close to Theresa May’s bosom? Don’t all rush at once!
Voytek Gagalka says
Use when useful – dump when no longer needed! Usual plot. I suspect that he will not live much longer any more, wherever he will try to flee and hide himself, and not because governmental authorities. You see, Mafia like the IS have long hands and will never permit him to stay alive; he knows too many secrets, and thus is a ballast to them.
Champ says
“…and fears being hunted down by British and US special forces in Iraq and Syria.”
Well, now he knows how he’s made others feel: fearing for *their* lives, and then slaughtering them without mercy …
They will find this evil serial killer and then justice will be served on him — swiftly, I hope.
Peggy says
Yep, he can dish it out but he can’t take it. Just like any other Muslim. This evil coward should be tormented, tortured and then put to death so very slowly.
voegelinian says
Sometimes Robert Spencer is just plain silly with his formulaic Great Expectations of Muslims. The grotesquely, monstrously evil enemies of mankind, ISIS, “should have “gone on record saying they were against beheading”…??? Can I get a ROTPRLMAO (Rolling On The Prayer Rug Laughing My Ass Off)??? I think Spencer briefly lost his head there…
Let’s follow the “logic” here. ISIS, “should have “gone on record saying they were against beheading”. And then what? What if ISIS did “go on record saying they were against beheading”? We’re supposed to do what in response? Do anything other than want to hate them, be horrified at what they’ve already done, and fight and kill them to the death?
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Sometimes Robert Spencer is just plain silly with his formulaic Great Expectations of Muslims. The grotesquely, monstrously evil enemies of mankind, ISIS, “should have “gone on record saying they were against beheading”…??? Can I get a ROTPRLMAO (Rolling On The Prayer Rug Laughing My Ass Off)??? I think Spencer briefly lost his head there…”
Once again, you go out of your way to misrepresent something Robert posted in order to pretend that you know (one of) his area of expertise better than him.
C’mon, voeg, don’t you ever get tired of trying to ride Robert’s (and Hugh’s, and Raimond’s, and Pamela’s, etc.) tailcoat?
Champ says
C’mon, voeg, don’t you ever get tired of trying to ride Robert’s (and Hugh’s, and Raimond’s, and Pamela’s, etc.) tailcoat?
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No, he’s a tireless troll, Angemon. And I’m *tired* of his friendly-fire toward those you mentioned …
And recently voeg referred to me as a “brainless cheerleader” …hmm, seems he’s the one who’s brainless; since that is NOT what Robert meant. Hey even a brainless cheerleader can figure that much out 😀
Angemon says
I wouldn’t call it friendly-fire, Champ, because a) he’s left quite clear he has no friends here (which is a good thing, because what he calls “friendship” would be more accurately described as “toadyism”) and b) he’s not doing it accidentally, he’s going out of his way to misrepresent others in a quasi-criminal fashion. That much is shown in his speech pattern. If you notice, he rarely, if ever, speaks to others directly. Instead, he speaks as if to a third person, purposely misrepresenting others.
Like in this case. He could have asked “Huh, Robert, are you really expecting the islamic state to say they condemn the beheadings done by Jihadi John?”. Instead, he said (and I’m paraphrasing here): “Looks like Robert is being silly and lost his head for a moment: he’s hoping the islamic state to come forth and condemn the beheadings carried out by Jihadi John”. There was a reason to why the Nazis and Russian Commies had whole ministries dedicated to propaganda – it takes a large amount of time and effort to keep an obvious lie going. Voeg lacks such resources and manpower, but kudos for trying to ice-skate uphill, I guess.
As I said before, trust voeg at your own peril.
Champ says
Good point, Angemon. And insofar as when voeg attacks others on his own side, then it is friendly-fire; but you’re right in pointing out that these attacks are *not* accidental, but quite deliberate and distorted.
Robert Spencer says
Voegilinian
I know your hatred of me is filling you up to your eyeballs, and has been for years, and so what you say cannot be taken as the statement of a disinterested analyst, but this one is really absurd. Any sane person would know that I don’t expect and am not calling upon the Islamic State to denounce beheading. I was merely pointing out the inconsistency of their actions. They really should have nothing against Jihadi John, other than perhaps jealousy of his fame, which is a vice I am sure you can understand.
Babs says
“… He is also apparently concerned that jealous fellow ISIS members might plot against him…”
That fear may be well-placed. Above, I read that a principle of revolution is to eat its own children.
These are sociopaths and paranoid to boot and John craves attention. Splitting and paranoia are characteristics of Islam in general, but have grown to colossal proportion in ISIS.
I hope he gets his just desserts long before he slimes under the radar and back into the UK.
duh_swami says
… other than perhaps jealousy of his fame, which is a vice I am sure you can understand….
Stop it…The doctor told me not to laugh that hard for at least a week…It would be hard to end on a better note…
Angemon says
Yeah, I genuinely hope voeg takes a cold shower and applies an aloe vera lotion before going to bed, because he got burned XD
voegelinian says
I don’t “hate” Robert Spencer. What silly nonsense.
Robert Spencer says
You kidding? Your hate drips from your every pore.
voegelinian says
I’m surprised Spencer would react in such a juvenile fashion. So criticizing someone’s methodology = “hatred from every pore”. Wow. I’m sure glad Spencer doesn’t resort to such lurid (and wildly inaccurate and irrational) hyperbole in his day job where he does his fine and truly monumental work against the real enemy. Imagine if Spencer cast all rhetorical caution to the winds — as he does here against someone who is anti-Islam — when he spoke of Islam and Muslims: the mainstream might vilify him unfairly as an “Islamophobe” and a “right wing bigot”. Oh wait, they already do that, even though he takes pains to exercise gingerly caution in his counter-jihad rhetoric…
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“So criticizing someone’s methodology = “hatred from every pore”.”
You didn’t “criticize” anyone’s methodology. You stated that Robert Spencer was hoping the islamic state would condemn the beheadings (because of his alleged “formulaic Great Expectations of Muslims“) and you said he lost his head. That’s a flat-out lie and a ad-hominem, respectively. You can try to backpedal and spin what you said, but you’re only fooling yourself if you think you’re convincing anyone that you’re an unbiased, impartial observer who only wants the best for the CJ movement. You want the spot of CJ go-to Guru without the hassle of the work and dangers it entails, and, as such, you try to set yourself up by defaming those who actually earned their place in the sun after decades of study and hard work.
Robert Spencer says
Exactly.
Robert Spencer says
QED.
Angemon says
Would it kill you to address someone directly instead of speaking about them to an invisible 3rd party? It’s as if you’re not interested on an open discussion but on pushing a set of ideas onto someone else…
Robert Spencer says
Indeed. Apparently he believes I am not worthy even of basic human courtesy.
voegelinian says
I don’t even hate Angemon and Phillip Jihadski, for that matter!
The word hate has a delimited meaning, and ought not stand for, or swallow up, what is meant by other words. For example, Paul might not like Peter, he can be annoyed with Peter, he can be irritated by Peter, he can be dismayed at Peter’s immature antics and irrational hostility, etc.; but that doesn’t automatically mean Paul “hates” Peter (much less “with every pore”). But anyway, this isn’t about the red herring of hating certain individuals (or even of disliking them); it’s about disagreeing with their analysis and methodology about a sociopolitical issue of great moment.
Champ says
voeg wrote:
But anyway, this isn’t about the red herring of hating certain individuals (or even of disliking them); it’s about disagreeing with their analysis and methodology about a sociopolitical issue of great moment.
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Wow voeg is in such denial …
And voeg’s offerings are much more than “disagreeing with their analysis.” Indeed, voeg is grossly minimizing his participation here and on his other blogs: Hesperado and Jihad Watch Watch.
It would be one thing if voeg merely ‘disagreed’ with Robert and others, but no, voeg must go the extra mile and heap on personal insults; and voeg is an unapologetic backstabber to his supposed *friends*, as well …
One small example regarding voeg’s personal insults is on this very thread:
voegelinian says
July 28, 2015 at 12:42 pm
“Sometimes Robert Spencer is just plain silly with his formulaic Great Expectations of Muslims. The grotesquely, monstrously evil enemies of mankind, ISIS, “should have “gone on record saying they were against beheading”…??? Can I get a ROTPRLMAO (Rolling On The Prayer Rug Laughing My Ass Off)??? I think Spencer briefly lost his head there…”
This paragraph ALONE is packed with two specific personal insults: 1) “Robert Spencer is just plain silly” and, 2) “I think Spencer briefly lost his head there.”
So, if voeg were simply “disagreeing” with Robert and his “analysis”, then why the ad hominems? Oh, got hate much? Exactly.
voeg doesn’t just stick to the issue, but he makes personal insults to Robert, and then he has the AUDACITY to minimize what he’s written to Robert by claiming that he’s only disagreeing with his analysis. Right.
The above is but *one* small example of the kind of ad hominems, etc, that voeg has been offering here for YEARS — directed at Robert and others, too. But don’t expect an apology …
Hey even though I’ve pointed out the obvious, don’t expect an apology from voeg. He is the picture of pride, in my opinion.
Champ says
voeg wrote:
I don’t “hate” Robert Spencer. What silly nonsense.
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It’s easy for voeg to dismiss this claim since only he knows for sure. And I submit that no one can read voeg’s mind, but I also think that voeg is either lying, or he’s in denail about hating Robert.
Regardless, it certainly isn’t “silly nonsense” to arrive at this conclusion …
It’s actually fair and reasonable to conclude that voeg does in fact hate Robert.
Given the long history of ad hominem attacks heaped upon Robert by voeg and his many other aliases, over the years, then it isn’t “silly nonsense”, at all, to come to this conclusion; and it makes perfect sense to a reasonable mind. In fact, hating Robert is the only thing that DOES make sense.
Robert concludes that voeg hates him. I conclude that voeg hates Robert, as well …
And this isn’t hard to conclude given voeg’s hateful comments toward Robert over the years. Yet voeg dismisses these fair and reasonable charges out of hand. Very telling to the depths of dishonesty that voeg has sunk. Indeed, very telling.
gravenimage says
Voegelinian, you ran a site called “Jihad Watch Watch” *for years*, where you excoriated Robert Spencer for his every (supposed) misstep, no matter how picayune. You constantly do the same thing here with your fellow Anti-Jihadists.
I wish you spent anywhere near that amount of time actually dealing directly with the threat of Islam.
Champ says
voeg wrote:
I’m surprised Spencer would react in such a juvenile fashion.
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voeg offers no shortage of projection alerts! …jeez and I’ve lost count how many times he’s done this too 😀
gravenimage says
Voegelinian, this is absurd. It is obvious to any reader that Robert Spencer is being sarcastic here—he isn’t expecting ISIS to ‘go on record against beheading’. “Jihadi John” is not the only ISIS representative to behead victims—this is standard ISIS—indeed, standard Islamic—M.O..
voegelinian says
I know Spencer often uses wry sarcasm in his editorial remarks, and I enjoy them because they’re writty. I don’t see any wit in this particular one at all; it rings ploddingly earnest, and seems to form the basis for his equally silly charge against ISIS of “cowardice”. There are other far more likely reasons why Jihad Johnny fled. The self-devouring internecine self-hatred and violence based in psychopathic fanaticism and obsessions with “purity” coupled with schizophrenic corruption at the heart of Islam, for example.
RonaldB says
Hello Vogelinian,
I’m afraid there’s a problem with your logic on “why Jihad Johnny fled”:
“The self-devouring internecine self-hatred and violence based in psychopathic fanaticism and obsessions with “purity” coupled with schizophrenic corruption at the heart of Islam, for example.”
This description applies equally to the ISIS fighters who remained in ISIS, and to Emwazi, who ran away. In other words, those traits are a necessary but not a sufficient condition for Emwazi’s actions. All ISIS fighters exhibit those traits. But, their presence does not give you any information on who stays and who runs.
As an example, you have an apple A that falls from the tree, and apple B that doesn’t. You say “Apple A fell because it is red, round, and sweet.” I say “so is apple B which is still on the tree, so I don’t know any more than I did.”
My explanation is that Emwazi, growing up in England, forgot how intensely tribal Muslims are. In other words, it is the tribe to whom you turn for protection, rather than the logic of your case or even your guilt or innocence.
As foreign cannon-fodder, Emwazi had no tribe or group to protect his back.
Then, he made the mistake of making himself a target. It was obvious that Western intelligence would pay large sums for his apprehension. There was every reason for his fellow fighters to sell him to the enemy (money) and no reason (like the protection of a tribe or group) not to.
Most likely, Emwazi’s fellow fighters were discussing how much they could get for selling him, and they weren’t too subtle about it. Hence, he decided run away.
A similar situation held for Sgt. Bergdahl who deserted his unit in Afghanistan. He made the same mistake. He thought that the Taliban would be grateful because he deserted the US forces, made propaganda broadcasts, and revealed the tactics of his unit in avoiding IEDs. But, Bergdahl didn’t appreciate that he was unprotected by any group loyalty, and so subject to capture and trade whenever it became profitable for the groups he helped.
Westerners who assume that Muslims think the same way they do, act at their own peril.
gravenimage says
Voegelinian, I treasure Robert Spencer’s sense of humor in the face of unrelenting evil, as well. But I consider it icing on the cake—the rest of his work is indispensable. If his wit ever fell short to my taste in some instance or another, it would not much bother me.
But I don’t believe this is about his comic stylings, of whatever caliber—the idea that you hence believe that Robert Spencer might genuinely hold that the sanguinary Islamic State is against beheading simply doesn’t ring true.
Many Islamic State votaries besides “Jihadi John” have beheaded victims, and ISIS has often filmed and posted the horrifying results. No one knows this better than Robert Spencer, and I can’t believe you don’t know that.
You mention “the self-devouring internecine self-hatred and violence based in psychopathic fanaticism and obsessions with “purity” coupled with schizophrenic corruption at the heart of Islam, for example”, which I believe is excellent analysis (very much what I meant when I remarked that “Islam eats its own”).
But you could have added that without meanly slamming Robert Spencer as you did.
I know I’ve said this over and over, but I don’t believe you do much to get your ideas across—which are often good ones—when you let your sniping at your fellow Anti-Jihadists overshadow whatever it is you have to say.
You don’t do yourself *or* the Counter Jihad any favors this way.
gravenimage says
Ronald, I believe you are correct that tribal affiliations are a big part of Islam, and that Muslims from the West often (not always) lack those links.
But there are other factors, as well—jealousy, and closely related to that, power struggles, which is the very basis of Islamic hierarchy. Then there is the factor that almost anyone can prove “insufficiently Islamic” in one way or another—even other fanatical Jihadists.
The other factor is that Islam is so irrational—what could get someone killed in one instance may be completely overlooked in another almost identical situation.
Islam eats its own for all sorts of reasons—even among ravening JIhadists, no one is safe.
JIMM says
“She said: “He smoked drugs, drank and was violent towards other boys,” the anonymous friend said.”
““Being a Muslim myself I was very aware of it at the time. We had a gang and he was very much a part of it ”
Sounds typical of all the neo ‘pious muslims’ worldwide following in the footsteps of their barbaric founder.
Reminds me of ‘ajum chowdary’ the rat masquerading as a ‘pious muslim’ NOW, when his very recent past was typically identical to that of jihadi johns past!
Shmooviyet says
Is that mask you thought made you look so tough feeling rather smothering now you can’t ever take it off again, you cowardly piece of dirt?
His friend tries to get in a bit of cheerleading for islam…sickening and boring lies.
Georg says
“The British terrorist…fears being hunted down by British and US special forces in Iraq and Syria.”
He will be. So get used to it, Emwazi; you will be killed one way or the other in like brutality and won’t be missed.
“The ruthless extremist used to dress ‘like a gangster rapper… He smoked drugs, drank and was violent towards other boys.'”
The CAGE terrorist Asim Qureshi asserted Emwazi was “beautiful”. Where, exactly, between the gangsterism and jihadist violence did the beauty get squeezed in? I can think of another violent, hate-filled gangster Qureshi surely finds beautiful, so it’s really only normative.
pongidae rex says
You let Islam into your country, you get the whole package. It is a package deal. Government agencies who pretend they can cherry-pick the ‘good Muslims’ are dreamers.
Rob says
Pussy.
Angemon says
I’m going to go on a limb here and say that the islamic state doesn’t really care if JJ is killed. What they don’t want is for him to be taken alive – if he’s high in the hierarchy then he’s probably privy to info they don’t want the kuffar to know about, and dead men tell no tales.
Peggy says
Just wondering if IS was to capture this creaturte would they behead him and record the execution.
Would they put that on social media as well? Maybe not, becaue then it would make his executioner famous and there woudl be a danger of him being identified too and the whole process starts again.
Georg says
If IS does truly regret the sadism they’ve demonstrated to the world as the bad PR it is, they’d likely not want the world to see his beheading which would bring up again all his beheadings. As he’s so redolent of IS’s bungled PR phase, it seems more likely we’d simply never hear of him again if they have their way. Fortunately for the wider world and unfortunately for IS, the post-digital age will always prevent them from shielding us all from their evil. The pesky kaffirs persistently show the nominally chosen to be so curiously bedeviled. Strange it happens so.
gravenimage says
Yeah—although ISIS recently killed an executioner for smoking. At least allegedly his “crime” was smoking—and they put his head on display with a cigarette in his mouth as a warning to others.
“Islamic State chief executioner found beheaded with cigarette in his mouth”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/01/islamic-state-chief-executioner-found-beheaded-with-cigarette-in-his-mouth
ISIS has been eating its own for some time now.
Carlos Danger says
I hope he runs and runs….terrified to go to sleep, unsure of who to trust, haunted by dreams, fearful of death, startled by the slightest sound.
May he run and run.
Is that vehicle in front of the safe-house seal team 6 or the SAS?
Mossad?
Karen says
Perfect imagery!
Joe Shmo says
I find this story puzzling for a few reasons.
“BRUTAL killer Mohammed Emwazi is believed to have fled Islamic State…”
“A source claimed ISIS would drop him “like a stone…”
“He is also apparently concerned that jealous fellow ISIS members might plot against him.”
and so on.
No real sources, everything is apparently believed to have been claimed. And I think Robert is spot on with his assessment that:
The “anonymous friend” is another in the long parade of Muslims who try to shore up Islam’s sagging image by dissociating it from acts of hatred and violence committed in its name and in accord with its teachings.
Perhaps this is some sort of PR exercise? Robert recently infomed us that there was a new dictum from ISIS command not to show the beheadings in full technicolour glory to spare the squeamish, maybe this press release is somehow part of that? Maybe they want to soften their image and they needed Emwazi out of the picture. I don’t know. For all we know he could still be with them.
Still it’ll be interesting to see how this develops, if he did really flee, it means he’s more likely to be caught in the future.
Karen says
Well, if you live by the sword, you may die by it, and hopefully he will, and soon.
I just love it when these war criminals/savages turn and feed on each other.
gravenimage says
“Jihadi John” flees the Islamic State
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Islam everywhere eats its own. Read accounts like Houshang Asadi’s “Letters to My Torturer” to see the aftermath of the Iranian Revolution, which as soon as the Mullahs consolidated their power they turned to purging the ranks of their own supporters in a bloody orgy during the early 1980s.
More:
She said: “He smoked drugs, drank and was violent towards other boys,” the anonymous friend said. “The fact he portrays himself as a strict Muslim is laughable and shameful.
“I never saw him pray or wear Islamic dress – he would not even mention religion at all.
“Being a Muslim myself I was very aware of it at the time. We had a gang and he was very much a part of it – which shows he is a total hypocrite.”…
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I doubt very much he regretted being violent towards other boys—but that drinking, drugging, eschewing Muslim dress and Mosque-going? How better to atone for such Kuffar behavior than to wage violent JIhad?
The fact is that we see this paradigm *all the time*. Most decent Infidels seem flabbergasted by this each and every time, but it is actually very much the norm.
And why not? Orthodox Islam holds that the only true way to atone for un-Islamic behavior is to go on violent Jihad.
RG says
I really could care less what ISIS thinks about this subhuman POS, but the day can’t come soon enough when I hear that he’s gotten a mouthful (I mean ‘headful’) of his own medicine!!!!
Georg says
I’d certainly be relieved at his death and wouldn’t lose a second’s sleep. He’s one of the most disgusting human beings I’ve ever seen and it’s a disgrace we’ve had to walk the same Earth as he.
Lawrence says
How do we know any of this is true? How do we know he has left ISIS I mean? A source says so. How does this source know, what’s the source’s source? How is the source in a position to know? I mean it may be true, but I don’t see any definitive evidence or anything remotely like that, one way or the other.
gravenimage says
And you probably won’t.
The Islamic State is far too hazardous for any actual media—they behead journalists. Not even Muslim apologist media like Al Jazeera can operate there.
So any “news” out of the Islamic State is either reporting on communiques—usually videos—issued by the Islamic State itself, or else it’s rumors from people who have escaped from there. If you hear the same story often enough from different people, then it’s *probably* true, at least in part.
The usual “confirm and verify” style of journalism simply isn’t possible there.
Baucent says
It’s reported elsewhere that he is believed to be sheltering with another “rebel” group in the south of Syria. Hey it might be John McCain’s moderate “Free Syrian Army”.
rcourtemanche says
Th earth must feel a lot smaller to this coward right now… no place to hide and perhaps closer for the Western authorities to grab him.
ICH says
“Vogelinian ” is in love with himself and his fancy words.
When you are stirring up the pot nothing
works better than having a dictionary beside you
and acting like the worlds smartest man.
“coz” to the rest of us on Jihad Watch ISLAM is one dangerous
curse on humanity and if you don’t believe it then Voge
then so be it……go home
gravenimage says
Voegelinian understands the threat of Islam—there is no question about that. The real issue with him is his treatment of his fellow Anti-Jihadists, including Robert Spencer.