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London Mayor: Islamic State flag shouldn’t be banned because UK is free country

Jul 9, 2015 4:22 pm By Robert Spencer

Boris-JohnsonThe UK is a free country. Sure. It’s a free country if you preach hatred, jihad, and Sharia. But if you dare to point out that Islam has a doctrine of violence against unbelievers, then no, it is not a free country at all.

“The Isis flag should not be banned because Britain is a ‘free country’, says Boris Johnson,” by Jon Stone, Independent, July 8, 2015:

The Isis flag should not be banned by law because Britain is a “free country”, Boris Johnson has said.

The Mayor of London said he did not want to see the flag of the so-called Islamic State flying anywhere but said that banning it in law could prove unworkable.

“I don’t like people carrying the ISIS flag … I think a balance has got to be struck,” he LBC radio.

“We live in a free country and I think you’d have to have primary legislation to designate certain bits of iconography as being illegal. It would be quite difficult.”

Mr Johnson warned his interviewer Nick Ferrari that a future government could use similar provisions to crack down on his views.

“Some government would come in and they’d say ‘Ferrari? I’m fed up with that guy! He’s banned’,” he said by way of example.

He compared flying the flag to wearing Nazi memorabilia, which is not explicitly illegal in the UK.

Isis is a militant group mainly found in Syria and Iraq. It has seized large swathes of both countries and says it wants to establish a religious state.

The issue of the flag came to the fore after it transpired that police had declined to arrest a man with a similar banner in London.

Officers stopped the man to talk to him but decided that he was “acting within the law”….

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  1. Don Foss says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    Pussies. Just shameful, disgusting pussies…and anyone who voted for this moron.

    • mortimer says

      Jul 9, 2015 at 4:44 pm

      Of course, Boris Johnson is right to defend offensive free speech. That is what we are fighting for.

      Now…how about free speech for Pam Geller and Robert Spencer.

      What is the reason, Mr. Johnson, that they may not speak as freely as visiting Salafist preachers?

      • Dan says

        Jul 9, 2015 at 6:07 pm

        Free speech?

        Like Pamella Geller and Robert Spencer being banned from the UK?

        Man those two did a good job of hiding the bodies of any who spoke against them.

        And not only scrubbing the stories from the entire media, but from the minds of all mankind.

      • Fr. Basil says

        Jul 9, 2015 at 7:15 pm

        How would the Lord Mayor of London feel about the effective banning of various Confederate flags in the USA? Would he allow them to be unfurled in London?

  2. ECAW says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    Well, a free-ish country anyway, but not when it comes to destroying your own property, providing it has 7th century hate speech printed in it.

  3. ECAW says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    Come to think of it, if the ISIS flag is legal would burning it constitute a hate crime just like burning a Koran because it would cause distress and offence etc?

    • mortimer says

      Jul 9, 2015 at 5:20 pm

      Exactly. Using freedom of expression to threaten and offend the indigenous Christian Britons is OK. But using freedom of expression to criticize the jihad doctrine (and thereby offend Islamofascists) is NOT OK.

      UK politicians are afraid to promote or even defend the national, established religion.

      • mortimer says

        Jul 9, 2015 at 5:26 pm

        English patriots have even been ordered not to use the English flag (cross of St. George) since it reminds Muslims of Crusaders.

        Of course, that provokes the question: ‘WHY DID MUSLIMS COME TO A COUNTRY WITH A CRUSADER FLAG IN THE FIRST PLACE?’

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324999/Rural-council-stops-flying-flag-St-George-claiming-offensive-Muslims-links-Crusades.html

        “A town has voted not to fly the flag of St George in case it offends Muslims.

        Radstock in Somerset has a population of 5,620, 16 of them Muslim, census data shows.

        But a Labour councillor said the red and white cross could upset people because of its links to the Crusades.”

        • Peggy says

          Jul 9, 2015 at 11:14 pm

          Crusades were a long time ago and deserved too, but that’s another story. ISIL is now and killing in the UK too so who should be more offended?
          I suggest they go ahead and fly the flag with a cross on it and if anyone objects use the flag of DEATH as an example of a free country.

      • Raja says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 4:22 pm

        Moritimer,

        There is nothing like official religion especially of Christianity. Jesus said : my kingdom is not of this earth. On the contrary he said in Matthew 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

        Islam can be a state religion and its followers look up to it for more control and hegemony. Ultimately these states can butcher millions(Turkey) ejaculate in thousands if not kill like Pakistan, Arabia, Egypt and so on.

        Coming to your point the politicians can sell anyone for votes and selling the nation is so easy. Most democracies appease the Islamists for votes by bending backward as they know that a Muslim cannot be satisfied with justice and systems but favors. BTW muslims are very good block voters and the crafty politician knows how much a swing of 5 to 10 percent can do …

  4. gerard says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    Was he born stupid or did he take lessons? Whatever freedom still exists in UK will be gone when ISIS gets here and who or what will stop it? Not you for sure! Will it be Gay “marriages” or your haircut or the weather? Or maybe when benefit funds run dry?
    “The Isis flag should not be banned by law because Britain is a “free country””. So if we are free then we must encourage the erosion of freedom!! Is there anything remotely resembling Logic in this?

    • mortimer says

      Jul 9, 2015 at 4:56 pm

      Right. Let’s look at what he and Cameron and May are saying: “There is free speech in UK to promote the subjugation of UK to theocratic fascism, but there is a BAN on speakers who criticize theocratic fascism.”

      How can theocratic fascism be rejected if people do not speak against it?

      The de facto result of the BAN on people like Geller and Spencer is to leave THEOCRATIC FASCISM unopposed on the playing field so they may win arguments EVERY TIME, there not being anyone to oppose them with well-reasoned, factual arguments.

      This is leaving the UK morally and philosophically UNDEFENDED.

  5. Isabella says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    OMG! This man is out of his mind. I cannot believe UK is lead has him among its leaders!!

    What does he need to wake up?

    • alissa says

      Jul 9, 2015 at 10:17 pm

      He is awake. He knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s thinking “I better comply with these savages and give in to them because I want to keep my head. I don’t care what the consequences of my decisions are. I just want to stay alive.” And that’s the trouble. Gutless. Self-serving. Weak. Pathetic leadership everywhere. Courage, integrity, self-sacrifice–all in the past now.

      • voegelinian says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 3:03 pm

        Your recourse to the simple explanation of Timidity may be apt with this one particular politician; but we should not with equal zest for simplicity approach the broader problem of Western myopia as a phenomenon we can so neatly sum up as due merely, or even largely, to Timidity or Cupidity, or Rigidity (Hugh Fitzgerald’s Esdrujula Explanation).

        The “Esdrujula Explanation”
        http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-esdrujula-explanation.html

        • Linde Barrera says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 4:44 pm

          To Voegelinian (Vogue) – Your 3:15 pm post was one of the best you’ve ever written. Such clearly defined goals are worthy of a statesman in office. Unfortunately, we see nothing like you propose.

  6. miriamrove says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    Slowly but surely they are doing themselves in. m

    • mortimer says

      Jul 9, 2015 at 5:11 pm

      Free speech is what we are fighting for.

      Where Boris Johnson and Cameron are wrong is that they want to ban those who have valid concerns about Islam and jihad. This leaves the Islamists the luxury of promulgating jihad without the public hearing the counterarguments critical of jihad.

      The UK public DESERVES the right to hear the TOP debaters from BOTH SIDES so they may chose the better arguments.

      Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller are spectacular debaters and should be allowed to share their views which are PLURALISTIC, DEMOCRATIC, LIBERAL and EGALITARIAN…all the things that all Western governments in theory believe in.

      Whereas Islamists want to remove all speech opposed to Islam, Spencer and Geller want Muslims and all people to retain their freedom of expression so that the public may hear their views clearly expressed or hear their lies and subterfuges!

      The British public deserves to hear BOTH SIDES of this debate. They are giving the ISLAMISTS an unreasonable advantages so they do not have to respond to the BEST ARGUMENTS AVAILABLE against their positions. This leaves UK philosophically undefended against ISLAMISM.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Jul 9, 2015 at 5:29 pm

        Really, this is a debating society? The Islamic State has declared war and called for their followers in Europe, UK, America, Canada etc. to murder–you. Forget the flag, grab the person carrying it or flying it, arrest them and investigate everyone they know.

        But there I go talking crazy….

        • mortimer says

          Jul 9, 2015 at 10:25 pm

          There you go talking like a fascist. The Muzzies are theocratic fascists.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jul 9, 2015 at 11:47 pm

          The Islamic State is a designated terrorist organization, idiot.
          Running around with its flag is a criminal offense according to British law.

          see tilda’s link below:
          https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations–2

        • voegelinian says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 3:15 pm

          Yes, Jack Diamond: the other side is not interested in actual debate, but only disinformation in order to forestall and obfuscate, which in turn enables their ongoing, and increasing, penetration/infiltration/sabotage in tandem with their violent war against us to destroy our society.

          However, since the West remains largely myopic & clueless to the nature of this unraveling train wreck of a situation, and since the precondition for a favorable development for our side in this world war Muslims are waging against us involves the deconstruction of this Western myopia, it would temporarily behoove us (not that we have much choice anyway, currently) to at the very least promote the idea of a “debate” of two sides — with our real intention being to expose Muslims for the sophistry they would be bringing to the table, unfailingly, every time. I.e., the purpose of such “debates” and “dialogue” would not be directed at the Muslims — whom we already reasonably assume are lying in order to advance by stealth their jihad against us — but as a spectacle for our fellow Westerners still comfortably complacent about the danger of Muslims (a much broader, more systemic problem than the safely truncated “Extremism” meme conveys).

          Note: The locution danger of Muslims is intentionally open-ended, since Muslims themselves have continued to be egregiously, if not outrageously, remiss in their obligation to truly (as opposed to deceptively) distinguish themselves from the Extremists they claim have nothing to do with them or Islam. It should not be our job to carefully, anxiously distinguish harmless Muslims from their dangerous and hateful co-religionists (even if we generously grant such a distinction is real and viable). And while Muslims continue to shirk (pun intended) their obligation in this regard, we have every right — and civic duty for our society’s safety — to treat them all prejudicially with a broad brush.

    • RG says

      Jul 9, 2015 at 6:11 pm

      I cringe every time I think of what’s left for the future of Britain, and Europe in general – for that matter, what’s really left for the good ole USA as far as, ‘how many years do we really have left’? My 8th grade Civics teacher always used to say, ‘Remember, you can vote yourself right into slavery’! It seems like that’s exactly what is happening right before our eyes!!!

  7. ICH says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    Being on this site I am 10x more informed than most people.
    Even trying to share this info , nobody wants to know.

    So ya the whole world is full of pussies.
    All afraid.

    Only when it spanks them will they change.

    • Shmooviyet says

      Jul 9, 2015 at 8:36 pm

      Spot on, ICH.
      They don’t want to hear it. “Let’s not talk ‘politics”, and if you persist, one will pull out what they think is their best weapon: you’re an over-reacting, fear-mongering islamophobe or xenophobe.
      An excellent remark above: May we burn and stomp on the ISIS flag, as the perpetually p’d off are always seen doing to UK and US flags?

  8. Angemon says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    The Isis flag should not be banned by law because Britain is a “free country”, Boris Johnson has said.

    Fair enough. Britons are free to fly the ISIS flag just as much as they’re free to stomp it, throw alcohol on it, set it on fire, take a dump on its ashes, film everything and put it on youtube.

  9. Voytek Gagalka says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    “Some government would come in and they’d say ‘Ferrari? I’m fed up with that guy! He’s banned’,” (Boris Johnson) said by way of example.”

    Well, Boris, let’s twist a bit that crappy statement or yours and substitute name of ‘Ferrari’ with Michael Savage, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, and see how quickly your so called “free” country turns to the dust. Bingo! They are ALL banned from your country now!

  10. Hook says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 5:30 pm

    This guy is as dumb as he looks.

  11. David wilson says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    He’s probably got one at home, next to the three ducks flying up the wall. I’m afraid we’re stuffed until the right wing starts to seriously rebel and protest against these idiots.

  12. R Cole says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    Boris is smart.

    One day for example, it could be someone saying – I don’t want sharia law in the UK – and could find their speech banned.

    ::

    Someone should ask Boris for the record ~ Is ISIS banned in the UK?

    ::

    Apparently the Islamic association with the emblem of the moon and the star came from the Ottomans – more the Turks. So this new ISIS flag is without the iconography that Muslims might be tempted to worship and go to hell!!

    They believe the IS flag is closest to the one described was used by the early conquering jihadists.

    There were also pre-Islamic connections to the moon and its worship – which is why if ISIS could get across that desert – they plan to destroy the Kaaba – the center for pre-Islamic worship of many idols and gods/goddesses – in Mecca.

    Presently Muslims turn and face one central idol – which ISIS hopefuls plan to do away with.

    • mortimer says

      Jul 9, 2015 at 10:29 pm

      Cole wrote: “the Islamic association with the emblem of the moon and the star came from the Ottomans”

      Disagree. The symbol was used on early Islamic coins from Persia.

  13. Evolution says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    “Well, Boris, let’s twist a bit that crappy statement or yours and substitute name of ‘Ferrari’ with Michael Savage, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, and see how quickly your so called “free” country turns to the dust. Bingo! They are ALL banned from your country now!”

    “This guy is as dumb as he looks.”

    I absolutely love these 2 comments.
    Put a huge smile one my face while drinking my morning coffee, thanks and good morning !

  14. CogitoErgoSum says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    Actually, I agree with Boris. Let the fools openly display their traitorous sympathies by flying the Islamic State flag. It makes it that much easier to identify those who need to be closely monitored.

    • voegelinian says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 3:25 pm

      Actually, unless the ordinary Westerner taking in such spectacles has the “mental pencil” (as Hugh Fitzgerald put it) to connect the dots, it tends to do the opposite. The flagrant Anjem Chowderhead type Muslims are, by being honest clowns, helping to obscure their ultimately more dangerous co-religionists who pretend to be more or less assimilating. The flagrantly extremist Muslims also help to reinforce the Western anxiety to believe in the putative existence of the a vast demographic of Muslims Who Just Wanna Have a Sandwich; and the proof of their existence becomes, “well, see that Muslims who’s NOT waving a black flag and is NOT holding up a “Behead those who insult Islam” sign? He must be one of the harmless ones, like the nice friendly ones we anecdotically meet in our daily lives — case in point:

      “I have met “Muslims” who are Muslims in name only. Nice people, (who cooked great curries i might add – fantastic Shami Kebabs!)”

      — Neil Jennison, a former regular at Jihad Watch, who (mostly) otherwise claimed to be one of us in his concern for the problem of Islam.

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/state-dept-vid-tries-to-dissuade-muslims-from-joining-islamic-state-by-arguing-its-un-islamic/comment-page-1#comment-1115511

      (And for my more meticulous analysis of this, see the ensuing commentary at the time, e.g. — http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/state-dept-vid-tries-to-dissuade-muslims-from-joining-islamic-state-by-arguing-its-un-islamic/comment-page-1#comment-1116596)

      • voegelinian says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 3:27 pm

        Neil Jennison being, one should add, a Brit himself.

  15. st. patrick says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 6:02 pm

    “certain bits of iconography”….So icons and flags of muhamhead are ok then? He should start a band and stfu..

  16. Paul says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    I doubt that Johnson really is that stupid. I think the idea that our
    politicians are somehow “naive” is itself naive. Surely it’s obvious
    to the most apolitical people with no real interest in current affairs
    how bad things have become around the world. These people know
    what side their bread is buttered on – i.e. Saudi and Qatari money,
    muslim votes etc. They are actively conspiring against their own
    people. They will one day face justice, one way or the other.

    • Peggy says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 12:01 am

      I’ve been saying the same thing for a while now. If you and I can see it why can’t the politicians who have access to intelligence agencies we never will?
      There is no benefit of a doubt for them. They know and they knowingly are betraying us. They are all guilty of treason and hopefully will face justice one day.

      • Paul says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 6:31 am

        Muhammadans are only doing what is in their evil books, but
        our politicians and the smug and patronising ‘intellectual’ left
        have no excuse for aiding and abetting them. Justice can take
        such a long time it is barely noticeable. As this country inevitably
        descends into civil war they’ll either face the wrath of patriots or
        Muhammadans who won’t be interested in sharing power with
        them and who will be very brutal indeed. Should they evade
        justice in this life, then they’ll have to account for their actions
        to God, which they of course won’t be able to.

        • Peggy says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 8:11 am

          I prefer they get what they deserve in this life first and then in the afterlife.

      • Paul says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 9:14 am

        Me too. Wouldn’t argue with that at all 🙂

  17. carlos danger says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    Every English household should fly the Flag of Saint George just to give these hajjis and their quisling puppets the finger.
    If a town refuses to fly it officially for fear of offending, every private house and business in that town should fly it , and take action in the next election cycle.

    Don’t forget and do not forgive. Your enemies have identified themselves, and are on the march.
    fix bayonets and stand YOUR ground.

  18. John Goodwin says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    UK people – read and sign the petition
    https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-david-cameron-mp-right-hon-theresa-may-right-hon-michael-gove-mp-set-up-a-royal-commission-into-the-values-of-islam

  19. Antonio Gutierrez says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    Free country????….not for too long then…
    ..

  20. gfmucci says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 7:02 pm

    He would make a great mayor of San Francisco. What the heck is he (or she – hard to tell) imbibing?

  21. vlparker says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    Is there some kind of stupidity test you have to pass (or fail) in order to become a politician?

    • Alissa says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 8:39 am

      It’s more about being morally bankrupt than stupidity.

  22. Kepha says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    Tell me, My Lord Mayor, do Christians in London have the right to declare homosexuality an abomination before God and the corrupt fruit of idolatry (to say nothing of being sinful), and to say that Islam is blasphemy? Or, would these be prosecuted by your gubmit as “hate speech”?

  23. D.C. Watson says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 7:30 pm

    He is as ignorant as his haircut.

  24. st. patrick says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    Hopefully much sooner than later..

    • st. patrick says

      Jul 9, 2015 at 7:42 pm

      In reply to Paul..

  25. Robert_K says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    Oh so Nazi flags and ISIS flags can be waved. How about burning ISIS flags? Oh, I forgot only Israeli flags can be burned.

  26. Judi says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    Boris, Boris – I really am very fond of you and even voted for you, but what kind of a dumb statement is that!

    • Peggy says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 12:03 am

      So will you vote for him again?

      • Judi says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 2:27 am

        Considering George Galloway and Jeremy Corbyn (a virulent anti-semite) are throwing their hats into the ring this time,, the answer to that question is YES!

  27. Champ says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    Wow is he serious?! Freedom should NOT protect hate groups and/or criminal organizations like IS. He is demonstrating poor and dangerous leadership.

    • Kepha says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 7:29 pm

      Go review Brandenburg v. Ohio, Champ, and a hwole host of other US Supreme Court decisions on free speech. Ideally, protecting the free speech rights of unpopular and offbeat groups should grant wide leeway to ideas that are more “mainstream” (whatever that is in this day and age). I have as much dislike for Islam as a belief system as anyone here, but I will respect my Muslim neighbor’s right to call me a polytheist, the kinsman of apes and pigs, and future inhabitant of Jahanum (as long as he doesn’t try to hasten me on my way thither; in which case I may just utilize my Second Amendment rights, and that long-standing Common Law right of self-defense). But in return, I demand the right to speak of salvation in Christ, call Islam a blasphemy, Marxism a lie, and the LGBT agenda an abomination.

      it is my opposition to criminalizing “hate speech”, regardless of who defines it, that leads me to believe that Elena Kagan should never have been appointed to the bench, and now that she is on it, she ought to be impeached.

  28. tilda says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    The UK has made ISIL a proscribed terrorist organisation.

    It is therefore a criminal offence to “wear clothing or carry or display articles in public in such a way or in such circumstances as arouse reasonable suspicion that an individual is a member or supporter of the proscribed organisation.” (section 13 of the Terrorism Act 2000)

    I suggest that parading around with an ISIL flag probably falls comfortably under the above.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations–2

    • Jack Diamond says

      Jul 9, 2015 at 11:02 pm

      yes, and why doesn’t the Mayor of London know that?

      He doesn’t seem to have the slightest idea they are a designated terrorist organization and
      that displaying their flag is a criminal act and not an issue of free speech. It is an issue of supporting
      terrorists (and of sedition, since it is an enemy that has declared war).

      Why do not the police know it either? “Police had declined to arrest a man with a similar banner in London. Officers stopped the man to talk to him but decided that he was ‘acting within the law.'”

      Cuckoo.

      • Peggy says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 12:06 am

        Hey, UK police don’t even know that raping a white girl is against the law even if done by a Muslim. How do you expect them to know something “benign” like flying the flag of DEATH is not ok?

      • tilda says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 12:51 am

        As I’m in a generous mood, I would have to say that there isn’t a lawyer in the UK who knows everthing there is to know about UK law. However, Boris is a politician, and this issue is so important that he should know.

        What’s interesting is that I haven’t been able to find a judgment on section 13. That doesn’t mean that there have been no prosecutions using section 13 — BUT I haven’t yet found evidence of any prosections using that section.

        • tilda says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 1:18 am

          Correction: no prosecutions addressing that part of the section going to displaying articles etc. (There have been prosecutions for membership of terrorist organisations.)

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 1:19 am

          Ignorantia juris non excusat, ignorance of the law excuses no one.
          Or is it deliberately refusing to perform their duty– politicians, police, prosecutors?

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 2:00 am

          It says “the maximum penalty for a section 13 offence is 6 months in prison and/or a fine not exceeding £5,000” so what is the minimum penalty? Look the other way? Give them a parade? Could it have anything to do with those 1.5 million Brits who openly support the Islamic State? 1.5 million (open) traitors?

        • tilda says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 5:51 am

          @ Jack Diamond.

          The minimum would be suspended sentence, a fine of 5 pence or a big frown from the bench.

          Bottom line: I think they’re looking for the higher range offence/s (such as membership of a proscribed organisation). If they find someone they think they can charge with membership of a proscribed organisation then they will “throw the book at them” — which means that they’ll add to the charges all the possible lesser offences that they can find. (The reasonsing being: if we can’t win on the big offence then we have a chance of getting up on the smaller offences.)

          This is why you’ll often find criminals found guilty of multiple offences serving time for each offence “concurrently”.

          Even further bottom line: they probably decided that the man wearing the ISIL flag was a low level idiot, and not worth their time. (Police, court and jail [gaol] resources have limits.)

        • Jack Diamond says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 9:11 am

          Obviously they’ve got it all figured out then. They know what “membership” means when it comes to the Islamic State, they can afford to ignore the “little fish”, and they know jihad is just another police matter not a matter of war. What could go wrong?

          Thanks tilda for your considerable knowledge on this and other matters.

  29. badbob says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    H,is stupidity will not save one, not one……

  30. Myxlplik says

    Jul 9, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    So, if Kaffers start blowing up buses and creating social unrest at the insult of the Islamic Flag, then Boris will ban it like they did Pamela, Robert, and Michael Savage?

  31. Charli Main says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 2:47 am

    WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ?????
    Boris Johnson is descended from a Muslim market trader called Ahmed Hamdi who had a shop in Constantinople ( renamed Istanbul by Muslim invaders )

    ” Boris Johnson has boasted of being the first Mayor of London of Muslim extraction as he sought to attract billions of pounds of Arab money for London.”

    Yes Boris, you have blended in well with the infidel as you further Islam´s objectives

    • Michael Copeland says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 11:12 am

      Boris Johnson is not keen on upholding the law. He supports capitulating to illegal aliens by not enforcing immigration law. This is from someone who is PAID to uphold the law.

      He is also happy to have the wool pulled over his eyes with a red herring past its sell-by date.
      http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6350-time-to-brush-the-wool-away-boris

      • Linde Barrera says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 3:09 pm

        To Michael Copeland- “Caged” is the feeling I get from your 11:12 am post about those law abiding people in England who seem to be forgotten by people like Mayor Boris. Aren’t there any legal associations or citizens’ unions that can force the Lord Mayor to enforce the immigration laws? I have heard that the US does not want to secure the border with Mexico, but if the Chairperson of the Immigration Committee in Washington wanted to push for a closed and secured border with Mexico, how could that come about? I am asking you because I think you are a lawyer. Correct me if I am wrong.

        • Michael Copeland says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 3:57 pm

          Boris Johnson, as Mayor, expressed his support for the proposal to allow illegal immigrants to remain. It was a proposal only. It has not happened, and there are plenty of people, such as LibertyGB, who oppose it.
          By the way, I know it is confusing, but London has its traditional Lord Mayor (elected from the Livery Companies) with his honorific role. The recently created political office of Mayor, which Boris holds, is a managerial position with considerable influence, involving a sizeable budget.

  32. Baucent says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 3:51 am

    One of the reasons he and other politicians are cagey about banning the ISIS flag is the symbolism itself. The flag has written on it in arabic, “There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet”. That statement all muslims believe and hold dear as it’s the corner stone of their faith. So banning a flag with the muslim faith article would stir up opposition from all muslims. Something few UK politicians want to do.

    • Annak says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 5:18 am

      Even though they insist ISIS has ” NOTHING to do with Islam”( scratching head)

      Islamic State has nothing to do with well, an Islamic State after all.
      Phew, I was beginning to get worried for a moment, but fear not !!! ……Boris and Dave to the rescue !
      What would we do without them ? ( hmmm)

      On the other hand, an Englishman with British flags hanging out of his home was ridiculed by a female left wing ” politician”
      And a lady with a tiny British flag on her car was reported and asked to take it off
      ( offensive to non-Islamic Islamic State maybe?) She didn’t !
      And so the dance continues and meanwhile sleepy Brits are slowly but very surely awakening from hibernation.

      • Maretta Rees says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 11:45 am

        I think I shall be putting an England flag on my car when we play in the world cup, even if we don’t ever get very far. I will not take it off for anyone, it is my country too, and if Muslims can do what they please here (and that includes flouting the English law under their Shariah law) then I can have an English flag. If not they will have to put me in prison, but I won’t go quietly and I won’t be silent unlike them, I don’t care what the Muslim community think of me if they don’t agree I can have my flag, but I don’t think the Muslim community will give a fig about me showing the English flag, plenty of time to ban it when they have taken over, if they ever do rule the world (bit like Harry Seccombe, a bit of a song and dance over nothing).

        • Linde Barrera says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 3:21 pm

          To Maretta Rees- Good for you! If England is a multi cultural society, then everyone is supposed to be respected and celebrated under civil, equitable laws. And if you are new here, I have not seen your name before, may I suggest you tell your family/friends/neighbors to subscribe to Jihad Watch, donate to it when possible, and take lawful action with others of like mind for change when unfavorable and illegal acts go unpunished. Welcome.

  33. particolor says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 4:31 am

    Is that the Lord Mayor ? I thought it was Doogle from “The Magic Roundabout” 🙂

  34. T. Snorrason says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 4:44 am

    “Funny Boris” does not seem to understand that the black flag is carried on enemy soil, it is a battle flag.
    Just as the English raise the Saint George, when the British Navy goes into action.
    Perhaps Boris should think again and this time use his brain.
    As far as I know England is fighting the Islamic State both from the air and with SA on the ground.
    T. Snorrason

  35. Annak says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 5:29 am

    Pull the other one Boris ! England is not a free country and hasn’t been for some years.
    It is already under Sharia, you know it, Dave knows it. Most politicians know it, only the general public dont know it….yet.
    These tactics are hardly new. Were /are always practiced by totalitarian regimes.Promote a semblance of freedom, whilst taking freedoms away bit by bit , almost unnoticeable. Until too late .
    Even Hitler suggested this tactic, because it works !

  36. Wakup says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 5:39 am

    Boris is ok he may be of muslim extraction but he is not a muslim our bottom line has to be that we want to convert muslims to other faiths my preference would be Christainity it’s basically the same as the process of de-nazification of Germany after the second world war.

    Watch this video and you will see what I mean I find it incredibly moving and inspiring.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6We1K0sI2o&list=PL2B7DB420961DE413

    My point is that this this man is no longer the same person after he invites Jesus into his life, he is changed forever. What this video is about is a person actually being born again to a completely new life this has to be our goal. I cannot stress too much how important this is.

    Jesus be with you all.

  37. george says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 5:41 am

    does he not know what What planet is he on, does he not know what their goal is, to kill the infidel, they are taken a flag down in America because of the implication towards hatred. but i think the comment about boris being on a roundabout [a magic one] just proces he lives in a parallel world its just defining which one he is on

  38. steph says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 5:49 am

    someone should have given the guy with the flag 10 pounds in front of the police, he then could be arrested for soliciting funds for IS ,,

  39. Edward Cline says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 6:15 am

    The more I see of Boris Johnson (re the photo above), the more I’m reminded of the Eloi in the Goerge Pal 1960 production of “The Time Machine,” the blonde, ignorant tribe of idiots who were raised by Morlocks for food. Only today the Morlocks are Muslims.

    • Linde Barrera says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 3:40 pm

      To Edward Cline- I ordered your book and just started reading it, due to family obligations I haven’t gotten as far as I would like, but I am enjoying it. The way Rachel Lerner died was barbaric and hideous. And I liked this line: “A hatred for beauty for being beauty.”

  40. Ruth says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 7:47 am

    Boris Johnson not only looks stupid but is he also blind? Or is it money he gets for pretending to being so.

  41. Jack Holan says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 8:06 am

    Boris should be called out as a supporter of the Flag of Jihad. Jihad the War against the West in General and Non-Muslim or Non-Believers Specifically, this is exactly what the Lord Mayor of London should be call out on as believing since there is no other interpretation. Boris, I some how doubt that the Police during the Bombing of London would have let you hang a NAZI Flag out your window or goose step down the street with but if they did, it never would have gotten to court you would have been dead. During the Fall of Singapore, trust me, they would not have let you parade with a Jap Flag in front of Windsor. So, now that we’ve clear those issues up, either you stand with Britain and all her citizens or you stand with her enemies. In this case Boris the enemy is Jihadist terrorist following Islam and marching under the Jihadists banner that they flew while behead fellow Brits. Is this what Boris stands for while enjoying English freedom?

  42. DVult says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 8:19 am

    This idiot even looks like a sheep. Get a damned haircut you fool.

    • Rick Spencer says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 12:57 pm

      Jeez… He must be related to Donald Trump with a yellow mop like that!

    • Champ says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 1:12 pm

      Looks like hes been to Supercuts …

  43. Miau Zedong says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 8:27 am

    ISIS flag does no harm to “social cohesion”, does it ?

    “Rural council votes to stop flying flag of St George claiming it is offensive to town’s 16 Muslims because of links to CRUSADES

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324999/Rural-council-stops-flying-flag-St-George-claiming-offensive-Muslims-links-Crusades.html#ixzz3fUUrieeX
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  44. duh_swami says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 8:59 am

    ‘The sun never sets on the British empire’…You ain’t got no empire any more Boris…The permanent cloud of Allah is above Britain and blocking out the sun…For you, the sun has set in a muddy spring and is not scheduled to rise again any time soon…
    And it’s going to get darker before it gets light. Allah willing, and he always is…

    • Paul says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 9:20 am

      “Allah willing..”. Are you a Muhammadan? If you are and you’re gloating
      then there will NEVER be peace on Earth even if the cult of the child
      rapist warlord completely took over. Once Muhammadans have run out
      of normal innocent people to kill they then turn on each other to satisfy
      their demonic blood lust, just as satan, sorry, “the greatest of all deceivers”
      ‘allah’ intended.

      • Angemon says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 12:34 pm

        duh_swami is not a mahommedan, he was just being sarcastic.

    • Ed says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 11:33 am

      When will you realise Allah is a fictional character used to justify the actions of a group with a huge chip on their shoulder?
      If Allah was real he must hate Muslims, giving Israel the upper hand and condemning Arabs to shuffle around the desert for centuries. No wonder the Jews fee they’re ‘God’s chosen people’ – he’s clearly on their side at every turn.
      Now the evidence is showing Mohammed didn’t even exist, every belief Muslims have is crumbling t dust. So they merely become embittered terrorists hated by the civilised world.

      • Paul says

        Jul 10, 2015 at 11:56 am

        The divinity of the pagan rock god ‘Allah’ was an invention of
        Muhammad’s mind to justify his sick murderous and paedophilic
        desires. It is him that they worship and glorify above all, which is
        why they go (even more) insane if anybody ridicules him and why
        they react much more violently than if somebody criticises ‘Allah’.
        The ‘divine’ claims made by Muhammadanism are already ridiculous
        enough, so if it was proved that none if this ever even happened then
        even better. Either way, Muhammadanism is indeed a sinking ship.
        Sooner it’s completely capsized the better for everyone.

        • Michael Copeland says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 1:46 pm

          “Islam offers no answers to the questions of modern life.”
          “Islam is past its zenith and is in a process of decay, of downfall….”

          Hamed Abdel Samad, Germany
          son of Egyptian imam

        • Paul says

          Jul 10, 2015 at 2:36 pm

          @Michael Copeland, good video that. He’s a good, brave man.
          He was subject to the usual fatwas by ideological arsewipes
          after having given a speech in Cairo about Islamic Fascism,
          but the cat’s out of the bag now despite their predictable
          and phoney outrage.

          Here’s another video with ‘son of Hamas’ Mosab Hassan Yousef,
          another brave soul who saved many lives by spying for Israel and
          who later converted to Christianity. Quite encouraging :

    • Paul says

      Jul 10, 2015 at 2:45 pm

      If you’re not a Muhammadan, as Angemon said, then I apologise
      for the slur. Occasionally, some do come on here with their ridiculous
      taqqiya and are immune to evidence and logic. I think they just do
      it to be annoying and are proud to be brainwashed.

  45. Juca sawyer says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 9:33 am

    Boris you an idiot in darkness

  46. bassi says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 10:02 am

    Well done! The a’holes who elected him into that positions deserve it
    British politicians will sell the country out for some votes
    When IS lands in GREAT Britain no one needs to pretend to be surprised
    The mean politicos will kill all truth and ensure that the public stay in the dark till it is too late
    See how they allowed the bastards who are protected because of “political correctness” to destroy the lives of hundreds of children and the people responsible are still pissing on any atempt to get the whole truth
    SAD

  47. rcourtemanche says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 11:43 am

    Well, Mayor, you guys do something to eradicate the problem then instead instead of behaving pusillanimously.

  48. medaber_emet says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 12:53 pm

    Dear all
    To be honest, looking at this Boris Johnson im trying to understand what makes him think and talk the way he does
    he must has an arab islamic boy friend
    Dont you think?

  49. TheDane says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    What an appeaser! What a weak, appeasing scumbag! Do the Gays think they can befriend ISIL to avoid being hung from cranes or being thrown from 15-story Buildings?

    The lies and deceptions are spreading like fire all over Europe and the US. Read Paul’s 2nd letter to the Thessalonians, chapter 2, verse 11.
    Also read this: http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Luke-Chapter-21/ – it warns of great horrors, yet the Bible is said to state 365 times: “Do not fear”. Another chapter worth reading is Isaiah chapter 60:8. http://biblehub.com/isaiah/60-8.htm – this is a reference to the Jews that will be dragged home to Israel, and it is starting for real now. Many Jews will make Aliyah these coming months, I am sure. In particular from France and Scandinavia.

  50. Michael Copeland says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    “Obviously, we are very clear that people who do go out to engage with ISIS… to that part of Syria and Iraq, when they come back they will be treated as people who have betrayed our country.”
    Boris Johnson to David Letterman
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/13/boris-johnson-david-letterman-isis_n_6151608.html

  51. Michael Copeland says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    Boris Johnson on Islam after 7/7 bombing in 2005:
    “it is the most viciously sectarian of all religions in its heartlessness towards unbelievers.”
    B.J. after Woolwich, when eyeing muslim votes:
    “there is no sense in blaming Islam, a religion that gives consolation and enrichment to the lives of hundreds of millions of peaceful people”
    http://www.islamophobiawatch.co.uk/boris-confronts-the-scourge-of-islamism/

  52. John says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    Would Boris have allowed the Nazi flag to fly during WW2? Doing so would have been a traitorous act.

  53. Caroline says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    I don’t trust Boris
    http://stopturkey.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/boris-turk.html

  54. RICHTHOFEN says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    Johnson is a deluded buffoon! A traitor and a Quisling to say such an outrageous thing amid his constant demented babbling and confused ramblings – nobody can possibly take this fool seriously – He should be demanding that islam is proscribed as an illegal, criminal organiisation – he should sod off to Syria if he admires them so!

  55. God Almighty says

    Jul 10, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    I thought Boris the Spider could not say anything dumb ever again after his last codswallop, but sadly even he fails at every turn!

  56. Matthieu Baudin says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 9:49 am

    Another baby boomer trendy speaks out of his bottom with heroic conviction.

  57. Jen says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 11:36 am

    The beginning of the end for Western civilisation with Muslim appeasing idiots running the show. We are doomed!

  58. Don McCarron says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    Boris obviously has no idea about the law. It’s a criminal offence to wear or display the flag of a proscribed terrorist organisation in such away as to suggest that you are a member or supporter of the organisation.

    He was clearly committing a criminl offence.

  59. Mark says

    Jul 14, 2015 at 4:23 pm

    Deport boris with the muslims and traitors cameron, blair whilst we are at it.

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