All fifty of them. My latest about Western wishful thinking in FrontPage:
Everyone has been waiting for this for years, and at last it has happened. The historic happening took place in Ireland, a nation hitherto not distinguished for standing in the cultural vanguard, but all that will change now, thanks to a rally hosted by a group calling itself the Irish Muslim Peace and Integration Council, which has finally delivered to the world the desire of the ages: Muslims rallying against terrorism!
Surely tens of thousands of Muslims attended, right? You know, that vast majority of Muslims who abhor and reject terrorism? Those moderates upon whom the leaders of Western countries are betting the very futures of their nations turned out in droves, didn’t they?
Well, not exactly. RTE News reported this on Sunday about the blessed event: “Up to 50 people took part in a rally organised by the Irish Muslim Peace and Integration Council to protest over the actions of the so-called Islamic State.”
That’s right. I’m afraid the turnout was, uh, fifty people. Not fifty thousand. Fifty. And not only that, but according to the Irish Examiner, the Irish Muslim Peace and Integration Council “faced resistance from a few members of the Islamic community, while promoting the event.” Not just verbal resistance, either: “Organisers said that a member of the council was assaulted by someone at a mosque who claimed to support ‘ISIS’, while he was handing out leaflets to promote today’s protest against terrorism.”
So not only did the vast majority of moderate Muslims fail to show up, but the group protesting against jihad terror faced active resistance from other Muslims. When have we heard about a Muslim who wanted to join the Islamic State facing active resistance, even to the point of assault, from moderate Muslims? We have seen Muslims express bewilderment that they went, and anger at the government (whether of the U.S. or Britain) for not stopping them from going, but we have not generally seen Muslims doing anything themselves to prevent them from going.
What’s more, this is not the first time that attendance at a Muslim rally against terrorism has been decidedly underwhelming. In October 2014 in Houston, a rally against the Islamic State organized by the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) drew the grand total of ten people. In August 2013 in Boston, about 25 Muslims rallied against “misperceptions” that Islam was violent. About the same number showed up in June 2013 at a progressive Muslim rally in Toronto to claim that their religion had been “hijacked.”
And back in 2005, a group called the Free Muslims Coalition held what it dubbed a “Free Muslims March Against Terror,” intending to “send a message to the terrorists and extremists that their days are numbered … and to send a message to the people of the Middle East, the Muslim world and all people who seek freedom, democracy and peaceful coexistence that we support them.” In the run-up to the event it got enthusiastic national and international publicity, but it ended up drawing about twenty-five people.
Contrast those paltry showings to the thousands of Muslims who have turned out for rallies against cartoons of Muhammad or against Israel. Here are some headlines from the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo jihad massacre of Muhammad cartoonists in January 2015:
Pakistan: 10,000 Muslims protest against Charlie Hebdo’s Muhammad cartoons
Australia: 1,000 Muslims rally against Charlie Hebdo and the freedom of speech
Kyrgyztsan: 1,000 Muslims rally: “I am not Charlie, I love my Prophet.”
But given a chance to show how Muslims overwhelmingly reject “extremism,” only a handful show up.
This is just the opposite of what the situation should be if the mainstream narrative about Islam and jihad were true. We should be seeing pro-jihad terror Muslims opposed strenuously within their own community. Instead, those who oppose jihad terror are the real “tiny minority of extremists,” hounded and opposed by their fellow Muslims.
You’d think that some of the non-Muslim analysts who have been confidently telling us that moderate Muslims will any day now rise up against their “extremist” brethren and take back their religion from those who have “hijacked” it would get a clue from all this, and realize that the moderates have had almost fourteen years now since 9/11 to rein in the “extremists,” and have not done so, and are not going to do so.
But they won’t. They will be out there with their pom-poms again to cheerlead for the next “moderate Muslim rally against terror” – and they’ll not have to strain their pocketbook all that much to buy a nice halal dinner for everyone who shows up.
Peter says
Other media report “hundreds,” which says a lot about them if the turnout was a fraction of that. No surprise there.
epistemology says
We faced it a long time ago. Our politicians have to face it, peaceful and moderate Muslims are a tiny minority.. The overwhelming majority of muzzies wants confrontation, war and eventually impose sharia. When will our politicians wake up? They’re accessories to muzzie crimes when they keep repeating that true Islam means peace. I heard Obama saying that while he was addressing the ANC in Ethiopia. I’m sick and tired of these lies and whitewashing of Islam the religion of terrorism.
mortimer says
65% of Muslims worldwide are NOT (repeat: are NOT) ‘moderate’.
65% of Muslims worldwide want strict Sharia and a caliphate…just what ISIS is doing.
65% of Muslims worldwide are philosophically in harmony with ISIS.
Kessler says
A moderate Muslim is someone who supports religious/gender equality, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and opposes sharia fascism including punishments for apostasy, blasphemy, homosexuality and adultery. How many muslims in the muslim world are really moderares? I think 60% is generous.
Only a westernized (=less devout) muslim can potentially tick all those boxes. But they are far between – particularly evident when it comes to their inability to accept our right to critizise/satire any religious figure as part of our free society.
Sadly, in the West, a moderate muslim is simply considered someone who doesn’t commit violence or incite to violence. There is never any desire to explore the ideology supported by the silent majority. The uncomfortable reality is often surfacing – for instance when polls reveal 40% of UK muslims support Sharia law – but nobody dares take note. Those who do are swiftly dismissed as racist islamophobes. What does it take to enable them to accept reality, understand the threat and feel empowered/motivated to fight the way we are fighting (by spreading the truth at every opportunity)?
Lioness says
Even if “only” 50% of world Muslims support ISIS, that makes it 800 million screaming lunatic shaira murderers, ready to kill infidels.
citycat says
Good point, but there are some people that would call 800 MILLION a tiny minority.
JamesonRocks says
So… Fifty plus twenty-five plus twenty-five. Those are pretty high numbers for something that doesn’t exist.
mortimer says
Overwhelmingly, Muslims worldwide want severe punishments for BLASPHEMING ISLAM, but not for blaspheming anything else.
Most Muslims are therefore SUPREMACISTS.
Do we want MORE SUPREMACISTS in our Western countries or fewer?
ICH says
Read the signs lol.
FOREIGN POLICY BLAH BLAH
Its everyone elses fault
SayNo2Mo says
Yes “PRIME MOTIVATOR” should read “PRIME JUSTIFICATION” so this protest is not totally what it is made out to be.
Voytek Gagalka says
But of course we all know well why that happens this way. So called “extremists” or “militants,” or any other oxymoron one wants to choose to describe them, even if they are only minority, they DICTATE the terms of engagement, and through brutal violence they control (almost) totally their tribal community. And this pitiful situation lasts for many centuries past till today. “Moderates” might be a majority but they will never EVER DARE to oppose that “avant-garde” of REAL Islam, under the threat of utter destruction. But not only physical destruction scares them here now, but a wrath of “allah” in the afterlife as described in so very colorful way in the Qur’an.
mortimer says
Someone should find out if the Ahmadis sponsored this protest. They are heretical Muslims who sidestep violent jihad.
ECAW says
This is the guy in the photo. He’s a Sunni:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Al-Qadri
gravenimage says
“Shaykh” Umar Al-Qadri has claimed that the “Prophet” Muhammed “condemned extremists”, and—even more bizarrely—that he “never resorted to violence”. This, about a bloody conquerer, slaver, rapist, and mass-murderer.
“Irish Muslims hear fierce denunciation of Islamic extremists
Imam tells congregation Prophet Muhammad regarded extremists as ‘gods of hell’”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-muslims-hear-fierce-denunciation-of-islamic-extremists-1.2060977
Funny, I can’t recall the line “gods of hell” being used in the Qur’an, Hadith, or Sira.
Others interviewed spewed the usual: Islam is a “religion of peace”; terrorists “bring a bad name to us”; and my favorite, “they are not Muslims”.
If this is sincere, I am glad of it—but it seems like more of the usual whitewash.
Michael Copeland says
After the Charlie Hebdo jihad murders (“the Battle of Paris”, according to Al Qaeda in Yemen) there was a large demonstration in Whitehall outside the gates of Downing Street. No, it was not in sympathy with the victims.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6708-assembly-with-menaces
ECAW says
This is what really pissed me off about that demo. Quite symbolic don’t you think?
https://ecawblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/monty-muslims.jpg
Babs says
An inescapable conclusion from all this is that IF (and it’s a huge if) the majority of Muslims in the west are inclined moderately, there’s an outside chance, however remote, that they’re so institutionalised in the prison of Islam that they are terrified of leaving even when the cage is unlocked.
For myself, I doubt that’s the reason for the p*ss-poor turnout. No, this is, quite literally, a flag-waving effort by ingrates who take us all for fools.
Why do I think so? Click to enlarge the photo and take a look at the poster held by the youngster at the front, which blames foreign policy (rather than Muslim community inactivity and turning a blind eye) for radicalisation. These “moderates” STILL don’t get it. They still cannot admit that developed, intelligent people have choices and that, regardless of foreign policy, it’s jihadis’ choice ultimately to travel abroad and perpetrate depravities, and Muslim communities’ OWN responsibility to admit that they’ve been criminally negligent in not educating them away from it.
Michael Copeland says
No criminal negligence: jihad is a mainstream obligation,
katnis says
The journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step. Someone had to brave. Someone had to make a stand. Congratulations for these 50 brave people for showing their faces. I hope that more muslims speak up against violence and that this becomes a growing trend.
ECAW says
Why do people keep repeating 50 (or 300 in some other paper’s case)?
There are eight in the photo and it looks like they’re it.
Jack Diamond says
“Foreign policy and injustice are prime motivators for radicalisation (sic)”
is not what I would call making a stand against Islamic jihad, er, “terrorism”–it is changing
the subject from Islamic teachings to Muslim grievances as the “root cause” of Muslim terrorism…
nor is that denial which is anything but self-evident: “ISIS does not represent Islam” so much making
a stand as protecting Islam. Qaradawi says the same thing, big deal. Nor is a banner (mis) quoting
Qur’an 5:32 as if it means Islam is something peaceful when it is blatant taqiyya muda’rat deception
(and why not include 5:33 on the banner since they are linked in meaning except it might indict Islam?).
Jack Diamond says
and why are my paragraphs discombobulated when I post them?
Angemon says
Are you making your paragraphs manually on JW or are you writing the text somewhere else and then copying it to JW’s text-box?
Jack Diamond says
Manually. Sometimes I copy a quote and paste it but not in this case. I edit manually before I send and rearrange sentences etc. Whole paragraphs will stay intact, others will fragment.
Angemon says
The JW text-box isn’t the same size as text-field after posting. That seems to be the source of your issue – you’re entering line-breaks manually when you don’t need to do so, since it’ll change lines automatically when needed.
Jack Diamond says
Thanks, I’ll try to remember that!
gravenimage says
Jack Diamond wrote:
“Foreign policy and injustice are prime motivators for radicalisation (sic)”
is not what I would call making a stand against Islamic jihad, er, “terrorism”–it is changing
the subject from Islamic teachings to Muslim grievances as the “root cause” of Muslim terrorism…
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*Very* true, Jack—just more blaming that West.
More:
nor is that denial which is anything but self-evident: “ISIS does not represent Islam” so much making
a stand as protecting Islam.
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Also spot on. Further, not all of those who “oppose ISIS” are actually ethically against a brutal Shari’ah state—many just think someone else should be running it—such as themselves…
Jack Diamond says
Thanks graven. Opposing ISIS is the new version of opposing al Qaeda to prove your “moderate” non-threatening bona fides. It’s good PR. Because if the “demonic” Islamic State is quintessentially Islamic, and is truly implementing Allah’s laws, and is really modeling itself on Muhammad and the Rightly Guided Caliphs (which of course it is) then Islam itself becomes something…demonic. Mon Dieu! Meanwhile, Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hizballah, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the OIC (i.e the Muslim World) believe identically and no one holds a sign up saying Islam is not them. (The OIC pronounced itself the nascent “new Caliphate” years ago and affirmed the primacy of sharia). Qaradawi thinks the Caliphate should be a revived Ottoman Empire, headquarters Istanbul, Turkey and that al Baghdadi is not legitimate because the Brotherhood did not elect him. Like you say, they are competing to be tyrant not at all opposed to tyranny. Muslim openly opposed to sharia and Jihad, well, they are ex-Muslims, aren’t they.
I’m afraid this protest against terror is just more bad (and sparse) theater.
Valentin Elsaesser says
I don’t think they are brave, if I was an ISIS Commander I would not see them as any kind of threat, but rather an asset to western governments willfully ignorant while still amassing troops worldwide. You know that Muslims here in Minnesota (mostly Somalis) are often found either sympathizing with or taking part in terror attacks worldwide? You really think a bunch “moderate” Muslims who don’t even know their own religion is somehow going to stop jihad?
Angemon says
And it won’t be the last, assuming more will be held in the future.
ECAW says
This is the guy in the photo explaining jihad:
“What we need to realize is that Jihad is about a constant struggle that is to be taken on with just one goal and that is the spreading of Islam. The way to do that is never with violence. We have countless examples in Quran and Hadith that show us how the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) taught about Islam. It is absolutely clear that his weapon of choice was love and good treatment and that is the example we are supposed to follow.”
http://jihad.info/misconceptions-about-jihad-and-its-purpose.html
Well, he’s right about its one goal being the spreading of Islam but how he and his chum, the appalling Craig Considine, and his chum, the ghastly John Andrew Morrow, manage not to see the violent methods commanded in the Koran is a total mystery.
duh_swami says
The few who show up are not pious. They are slandering the activities of those who are pious. They are warring against Islam and Allah by protesting terror. they are spreading ‘mischief’ in the land….Unless of course, this is just another show for the folks, and they are only joking.
lebel says
Memo to Muslims worldwide: I think it is really really time to start using taqqiyah to, you know, fool the infidels. All we needs is a few thousand guys (the same ones who get together to protest cartoons for example) and ask them to implement their religion and lie to the infidels by condemning terrorism.
Just do it at least once since your religion encourages you to lie, it really should not be big deal to organize.
gravenimage says
More sneering from the appalling Muslim apologist lebel.
Angemon says
Just goes to show that the risk of being labeled “apostate” does not outweigh the benefits.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer in FrontPage: Muslim Moderates Rally Against Terror in Ireland!
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Yup—fifty people would easily fit in my house, which is considered a “starter home”.
Joe Shmo says
I’m glad they oppose ISIS or Islamic State, the so-called or whatever. If they’re sincere. If. But I have to admit, I find it doubtful that they are. Islam will do that to you I guess.
But really, I don’t care about Islamic state. Actually I do, but not as much as I care about Islam itself. Even when Muslims are not committing terror or warfare, I have a problem with their fundamental non-negotiable beliefs. Beliefs on women; infidels; adultery; minorities; personal freedom; child marriage; multiple wives; lack of reason; inability to take criticism and so on, and so on. Ultimately it’s unacceptable to me. And I know now that regardless of the violence they’d impose these beliefs on me one way or the other if they could.
So, thank you for protesting. Thank you. Unfortunately, I’m still not going to accept your “religion”. But thank you for at least opposing this barbarism.
citycat says
Integration council? Not multicultural now?
Who’s integrating with whom? The words free. Multicultural, integration do not apply to ISLAM except as trickery. Islam is anti-integration with respect to other religions,
“oh muslim there is a jew hiding behind me, come and kill him”
demoralize the Christians
“we’re coming for you Buddhists”
Where’s the IRA? Still gone to dissidence.
Muslims arguing with muslims is to pre-empt others arguing.
David says
So what you only got 50 people publicly protesting. Protest need not just be outwardly in public but by our private actions and 6.6 billion Muslims are NOT involved in terrorism. That inaction for me labels Islam and Muslims as peaceful people regardless of the prejudiced and bigoted views here which insist all Muslims are murderers or monsters.
To prevent more Muslims from becoming radicalised the course the west needs to take is to try and secure world peace between west and east not invade Muslims countries and install western stooges who oppress Muslim populations.
Education alone though is the ONLY remedy in the long run for problems of this nature. Humanity including bigots from both west as well as East needs to be taught that all humanity is one race, the human race and that although we have borders, cultures, faiths and differences we have one thing in common and that is we are all humanity.
We Baha’is have a universal education program directed at children, youth, adults and everyone in general which teaches people to see all humanity as one family and the earth as our home and not favour one race, nation, culture or religion over another.
Disunity is a multifaceted problem and requires many solutions. For instance language is a barrier between East and west and needs to be overcome for us to have better understanding of each other. The gap between rich and poor is always a cause of war and needs to be addressed. Women must be given more power as our world has come to this sad point with MEN in charge of just about everything. So the world has an overly aggressive character and sorely lacks the family orientated view of the woman.
We need an International Tribunal which is binding. Yet SOME countries, seemingly renowned for their human rights beliefs refuse to join this court unless they are exempt from prosecution thus a toothless court than can be vetoed? Why would an innocent country seek exemption?
How many nations and groups are guilty of war crimes apart from just ISIS?? Russia? China? USA? Australia? The Catholic Church etc? It’s great going after today’s ISIS while sweeping under the carpet our own atrocities isn’t it. It makes leaders days showing off their self righteousness doesn’t it??
All the $$$ billions, trillions spent on TERRORISM. Why isn’t it going to the poor and needy? To secure jobs? Health care? Why have the governments of the world got $billions to spend on killing very few terrorists? Accountability? I would want the money spent on my family and jobs, healthcare and education. Instead it’s being wasted for DECADES sending America broke on a useless wasteful war they CANT WIN.
The only way to win anything is to establish world peace and world unity. Nothing can be gained from an endless war except making arms dealers filthy rich at your and mine expenses.
David says
Just to add to this. If you end war you will have enough money to solve all the other problems in the world such as world poverty, world unemployment, the financial crisis gripping some countries and establish universal free healthcare worldwide, universal free education everywhere and universal employment.
War is sucking up so many resources and choking our future and peace is much more pleasant.
YET, someone or many want to always have a conflict at hand seemingly for arms sales at our expense. It’s time we opposed war more fiercely especially these endless Middle East wars where $billions achieve nothing.
We’ve given men a go for thousands of years now let the women take hold of the reins and let’s see just how much the world improves for all of us.
Jack Diamond says
Nice speech. Learn something about Islam then get back to us about co-existence. Actually read the Qur’an and Sunnah and manuals of sharia and you might understand why there’s a little problem with your program for World Peace. Muslims are not “radicalized” because they are oppressed by the West. They are radicalized by a creed that obligates hate and enmity for disbelievers and mandates warfare against them and their subjugation under the dominion of Islam. It is Islam that oppresses, everywhere and everyone. It is Islam that calls for killing and more killing. This Jihad began in the 7th Century, not yesterday, and is obligated until “the Day of Judgment.”
Terrorism is just the tip of the Islamic iceberg, or let’s say, one finger of a big hand
(a very, very big hand if there are 6.6 billion Muslims on a planet of 7 billion people, math isn’t your best subject is it?). It serves to “strike terror in their hearts” far and wide, to instill fear, which serves the larger aim of Islamization. Nevertheless, that terrorism includes over 26,000 deadly terror attacks since 9/11 (comparable to nothing else by no one else) and now includes a “terror state” implementing “pure Islam”–Allah’s laws, which none of your peaceful Muslims would dare denounce. Further, if you examined the bloody borders of the Muslim World you could conclude that absent Islam the world would be immensely more peaceful not to mention relieving billions of dollars having to be spent defending ourselves from Islam for more constructive purposes. If the compassion you pretend to have for humanity included feeling even a hint or a shadow of the incalculable suffering being inflicted on real people by Muslims in the name of Islam, for no other reason than its hateful teachings, which its slaves consider as doing worship, you’d realize how despicable your apologia is.
ECAW says
It’s too easy waving the “bigot” and “prejudice” words around. “Bigot” has come to mean no more than “Someone who disagrees with me, and I don’t feel the need to counter their arguments”.
I don’t think anyone here insists that all Muslims are murderers or monsters….only those who actually follow Mohammed’s instructions and example. Mo had a name for those who didn’t, hypocrites, and reserved a special place for them in hell – right at the bottom.
Owen Morgan says
You can’t be muslim and moderate at the same time.
Mark I. says
Well said. At least you can’t believe the Koran to be a holy book & also be a Moderate Muslim.
Charles Upton says
Dear Robert Spencer:
If moderate Muslims do not turn out in numbers to protest ISIS, the causes are, 1) they fear terrorist reprisals, and 2) they fear responses such as that of Jihad Watch to the anti-ISIS demonstra-
tion in Ireland. You could have lauded the few Muslims courageous enough to demonstrate against ISIS, but in effect you said: “As far as we are concerned, you can do nothing right; why not join ISIS?” If you don’t want allies, you won’t have them.
Sincerely,
Charles Upton
for Dr. John Andrew Morrow
and the Covenants Initiative
Robert Spencer says
Dear Charles Upton:
Oops: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/ireland-muslim-who-led-anti-isis-demo-praises-hamas-jihadis
Jack Diamond says
As many Muslims attending (and important clerics) as have signed your declaration at the Covenant’s Initiative? The Initiative that invalidates Islamic history and doctrine by discovering that: “the Prophet Muhammad’s treaties with the Christians of his time, which John Andrew Morrow has rediscovered in obscure collections and often newly translated, uniformly state that Muslims are not to attack peaceful Christian communities, but defend them “until the End of the World.” (But what do you mean exactly by “peaceful” and not peaceful?) And what about the Jews? What about the peaceful Jewish communities and Hindu and Buddhist and the rest of the peaceful human communities also attacked by Islamic armies for no discernible reason except to conquer the world for Allah and Muhammad and to impose tyranny; the history and art obliterated, the cultures deemed worthless for belonging to the realm of pre-Isamic ignorance; the mountains of corpses and rivers of blood and the less obvious but no less horrible sufferings from the oppression of Islamic subjugation. Oops! Muhammad really meant something different!
how about a number 3) they are fake moderates, insincere and duplicitous. Therefore not truly allies.
True allies don’t support Hamas terror, don’t blame Muslim violence on grievances with Western foreign policy, and don’t posit taqiyya from the Qur’an to exonerate Islam from any blame for Muslim violence.
ECAW says
Anyone who uses that doctored quote from 5:32, as this particular group did on their banner, must either be deluded themselves or trying to deceive the ignorant non-Muslim, it little matters which.
John Andrew Morrow sees only the good in the Islamic scriptures and ignores the bits which drip blood. He could charitably be described as Pollyannaish.
More details here:
https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/mohammeds-apocryphal-covenants/
Jack Diamond says
and the point of Charles Upton is that there aren’t more Muslims protesting because we are critical of their motives (critical from evidence, not prejudice). It reminds me of those debates Robert Spencer would have with so-called moderate Muslims who would respond to his citing the Qur’an and Sunnah by saying he was forcing Muslims to become jihadists by doing so, i.e “why not join ISIS?”.
ECAW says
Yes, laughable isn’t it? They’ve got an eternity of paradise or the fire to worry about and their decision might be influenced by a kaffir being nasty to them.
ECAW says
I can’t help chuckling every time I think of my favourite quote by John Andrew Morrow:
“The beauty of the Qu’ran, the wisdom of the Prophet’s sayings, and his sublime ethics were so alluring that, for many, Islamic rule became simply irresistible.”
Indeed…irresistable!