“This requires everyone to intensify efforts to criminalize insulting heavenly religions, prophets, holy books, religious symbols and places of worship.” What is wrong with this? Who wants to insult “heavenly religions, prophets, holy books, religious symbols and places of worship,” anyway?
One problem with it, among many, is that at a time when hatred and violence are being preached and perpetrated in the name of a “heavenly religion” and justified by reference to a “holy book,” to criminalize criticism of such things would be tantamount to muzzling all resistance to that hatred and violence. And that may be precisely the agenda.
“Criminalize vilification of religious symbols, says Saudi official,” Saudi Gazette, July 26, 2015:
LILLE, France — Saudi Arabia has reiterated its call on the international community to criminalize any act vilifying religious beliefs and symbols of faith as well as all kinds of discrimination based on religion.
Addressing an international symposium on media coverage of religious symbols based on international law, which started in this French city on Saturday, a senior Saudi official said the Kingdom emphasized years ago that the international community must act urgently to confront ethnic, religious and cultural intolerance, which has become widespread in all communities and peoples of the world.
“We have made it clear that freedom of expression without limits or restrictions would lead to violation and abuse of religious and ideological rights,” said Abdulmajeed Al-Omari, director for external relations at the Ministry of Islamic Affairs.
“This requires everyone to intensify efforts to criminalize insulting heavenly religions, prophets, holy books, religious symbols and places of worship,” he added.
Al-Omari pointed out that such abuses bred intolerance, extremism and human rights violations and contributed to the growing phenomenon of defamation of religions….
Al-Omari said the Saudi participation in the symposium falls in line with its efforts to support the principles of justice, humanity, promotion of values and the principles of tolerance in the world as well as to emphasize the importance of respecting religions and religious symbols. — SPA
nicu says
Fucking Saudis : they are the source of ISIS and the West doesn’t touch them for oil !
Saleem Smith says
And the Saudis have spend all of that oil money promoting fundamentalist/orthodox Islam and building thousands of mosques throughout the world that openly preach medieval Mohammedanism.
We ex-Muslims living with Islam’s formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that the cruel cult of Mohammedanism is a jihad generating bloody stumped fraud.
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The Saudi/Islamic Sharia Shop of Horrors
The legal system of Saudi Arabia is based on Sharia, Islamic law derived from the Qu’ran and the Sunnah (the traditions) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Criminal law punishments in Saudi Arabia include public beheading, stoning, amputation and lashing. Serious criminal offences include not only internationally recognized crimes but also apostasy, adultery, witchcraft and sorcery.
Criminal law in Saudi Arabia is governed by Sharia and comprises three categories: hudud (fixed Quranic punishments for specific crimes), Qisas (eye-for-an-eye retaliatory punishments), and Tazir, a general category. Hudud crimes are the most serious and include theft, robbery, blasphemy, apostasy, adultery, sodomy and fornication.
Homosexual acts are punishable by flogging, imprisonment or death. Lashings are a common form of punishment and are often imposed for offences against religion and public morality such as drinking alcohol and neglect of prayer and fasting obligations.
Polygamy is permitted for men but is limited to four wives at any one time. There is evidence that its practice has increased, particularly among the educated Hejazi elite, as a result of oil wealth. The government has promoted polygamy as part of a return to “Islamic values” program. In 2001, the Grand Mufti (the highest religious authority) issued a fatwa, or opinion, calling upon Saudi women to accept polygamy as part of the Islamic package and declaring that polygamy was necessary “to fight against…the growing epidemic of spinsterhood”. There is no minimum age for marriage in Saudi Arabia and the Grand Mufti reportedly said in 2009 that girls of the age of 10 or 12 were marriageable.
Men have a unilateral right to divorce their wives (talaq) without needing any legal justification. The divorce is effective immediately. The husband’s obligation is then to provide financial support for the divorced wife for a period of four months and ten days. A woman can only obtain a divorce with the consent of her husband or judicially if her husband has harmed her. In practice, it is very difficult for a Saudi woman to obtain a judicial divorce. The right for men to marry up to four wives, combined with their ability to divorce a wife at anytime without cause, can translate to unlimited polygamy.
Human rights issues and failings in the rule of law in Saudi Arabia have attracted strong criticism. These include criminal law punishments that are considered as cruel, as well as the position of women, religious discrimination, the lack of religious freedom and the activities of the Saudi Mutaween.
The U.S. State department considers that “discrimination against women is a significant problem” in Saudi Arabia and that women have few political or social rights. After her 2008 visit, the UN special rapporteur on violence against women noted the lack of women’s autonomy and the absence of a law criminalizing violence against women (See Qur’an, 004.034).
Every adult woman has to have a close male relative as her “guardian”. As a result, Human Rights organizations have described the position of Saudi women as no different to being a minor, with little authority over their own lives. The guardian is entitled to make a number of critical decisions on a woman’s behalf. These include giving approval for the woman to travel, to hold some types of business licenses, to study at a university or college and to work if the type of business is not “deemed appropriate for a woman.” Even where a guardian’s approval is not legally required, some officials will still ask for it. Women also face discrimination in the courts, where the testimony of one man equals that of two women, and in family and inheritance law (See Qur’an, 002.282).
There is no legal protection of freedom of speech and Saudis are prohibited from publicly criticizing Islam. In 2010, the U.S. State Department stated that in Saudi Arabia “freedom of religion is neither recognized nor protected under the law and is severely restricted in practice” and that “government policies continued to place severe restrictions on religious freedom”. No faith other than Islam is permitted to be practised. There are no churches or other non-Muslim houses of worship permitted in the country. Proselytizing by non-Muslims is illegal. Conversion by Muslims to another religion (apostasy) carries the death penalty.
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Here is a recent statement from a group of Bangladeshi apostates living in the UK explaining the reasons why they have abandoned Islam:
“One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives (Qur’an 33:50). He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way…
The statement continues,
Muhammad was a narcissist, like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.”
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
Linde Barrera says
To Saleem Smith- The article states that a senior Saudi official urges the international community to confront ethnic, religious and cultural intolerance. So we know that the Holy Bible is not allowed in Saudi Arabia, and a person can be arrested for having one on his person. We know that there are no churches, and Christians are not permitted to wear crosses. (If a Christian business man from the west were wearing a cross and he had dealings in Saudi Arabia, he would be asked to remove the cross.) It is not certain to me that American business women are prohibited from entering Saudi Arabia, but I will guess they are. Conclusion: Saudi Arabia does not allow any Christian presence or symbols in their country, so they are guilty of religious intolerance! How will the international community view the Saudi intolerance to Christianity (and Jew hatred from the Quran) ?
Michael Copeland says
In Sharia law Christianity is not a religion.
There are “remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions such a “Christianity” and “Judaism””. These are “not acceptable to Allah”.
Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller” w4.1(2).
The Manual is a free download.
http://www.islamicbulletin.org/free_downloads/…/reliance2_complete.pdf
voytech says
I been saying it for years and I’m saying it again . The sooner these losers run out of Arab money – oil money the better .
Judi says
Unfortunately that won’t happen, not in our lifetime anyway.
John spielman says
I guess that I am a felon then because Islam is a doctrine of death darkness and hell and muhammed was a demon possessed mass murderer thief liar misogynist rapist ant pedophile pervert.
TKF says
How Saudi Arabia, can you say, Big Fucking Hypocrites? Because you are BIG FUCKING HYPOCRITES! You want everyone in the modern world to adopt your medieval blasphemy laws?
How about….No!
TKF says
That should be “Hey” Saudi Arabia. Sorry.
John spielman says
If such anti religious freedom laws were to be passed then Islam MUST be banned itself for vilifying Jews Christians and polytheists while demanding they convert or die (polytheists) or pay protection money(JewsandChirstians)
John Duffin says
Window-Licking, Camel-Riding Morans. These incessant cry babies understanding one thing. A big thump to their heads!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
A big thump to their heads!
This will have no effect, the towels wrapped around them will pad the blow.
particolor says
AAH ! Good ! They didn’t mention banning discussions on 14th Century Inventions ! 🙂
Charli Main says
“as well as all kinds of discrimination based on religion.”
Oh, goody, good !!!! I look forward to the building of Christian churches and Hindu temples in Mecca and all over the rest of Saudi Arabia.
Come on Pope Francis !!! get on the phone to your Muslim buddies in Mecca and start the ball rolling———————-
Michael Copeland says
What is wrong with denouncing religion?
Mohammed did it, and his is the “beautiful pattern [to follow]” (Koran 33:21)
“Abu Talib, your nephew [Mohammed] has reviled our gods, denounced our religion, derided our traditional values and told us that our forefathers were misguided.”
Al Tabari,
(quoted in http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/antagonizing.htm)
Salome says
It’s only denouncing ‘heavenly religions’. What’s the bet there is only one ‘heavenly religion’ and it’s still open slather for the rest?
Papa Whiskey says
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
— John F. Kennedy, Address on the first Anniversary of the Alliance for Progress, March 13, 1962
The same applies to resistance, a point Muslims and their toadies in the West had best mark well.
Qur'an is Haram says
Keep muzzling your own Muslim population, but we will keep exposing your pedophile mass-murder and his make-believe delusional war-crime book.
Don Foss says
How about this, Mr. Al-Omari:
F you, F your false and hateful god, F your evil prophet, and F every Muslim who actually believes in Mohammadism. And also F all the oil that you were too dumb to even know was there in huge shales you could not even identify as oil – American geologists you hired to find you water is who even found it for you – and still need Westerners to extract for you. F all of you.
Paleologos says
The Saudis and their world wide campaign of wahhabi schools …
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/11/wahhabi-invasion-of-america.html
… Reza F. Safa, author of Inside Islam: Exposing and Reaching the World of Islam, estimates that since 1973, the Saudi government has spent an unbelievable $87B to promote Wahhabism in the United States, Africa, Southeast Asia and Europe.
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Some day the world might wake up. 🙂
R/
Paleologos
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
This is big news for next-Prez Hillary. She’s been unable to get past the lingering felony crime scandals dogging her to be able to campaign on her socialist platform, but Saudi Arabia just threw her a life preserver. She has a longstanding record for pushing this as a new class of hate crime, so she’ll have an authoritative voice on this one. Everything else she’s done has been a failure, but this is one thing she can score on. Everybody knows that criticism of religions is a desperate world problem begging for an immediate solution, and next-Prez Hill is just the one to solve the problem. And you know that all 16 Republican (RINO) candidates wouldn’t dare criticize her on this issue, so the table is wide open for her to roll a sure eleven.
Karen says
Yes! Hillary is out there fighting for us!! (You know, the common slobs.) In fact, I understand she’s often had to duck-and-run from sniper fire, probably from anti-heavenly-religion meanies.
Jay Boo says
You can put lipstick on a pig but ………
The soft focus re-humanizing image of Hillary is already spewing out of the smoke and mirrors factories.
Champ says
Saudi official calls on international community to criminalize criticism of Islam
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They want to criminalize the TRUTH, eh?
So, to follow their ‘logic’ …if I speak the obvious truth and state that mohammad was a criminal: liar, thief, pedophile and murderer, does that make me a criminal, too? Apparently …
Jeez the Saudi’s are crazy-makers!! o_0
Champ says
Of course not …
I’m not the criminal, but the Saudi’s are *stunningly* hypocritical!!!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
They want to criminalize the TRUTH, eh?
Mark Steyn. Oriana Fallaci. Geerts Wilders. This proposal is redundant, the globo-socialists have already criminalized criticism of religion. Of Islam, at least.
Goat Pimp says
How about no, you arrogant ungulate urine imbibing whiner.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Oh, and another thing: If they criminalize criticism of Islam, it would seem that Spencer is gonna get several life sentences without parole… to be served consecutively. We’re gonna miss ya, Spencer.
John spielman says
I will be right beside him in prison as will ALL the followers of ChristJesus
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Well, you should know that when Prez Hillary’s minions check you guys into the Pokey, there will be a variation on the theme. The warden will be ordered to make sure you guys do *not* have copies of the Holy Bible in your cells, and you will *not* be permitted to evangelize. The punishment must fit the crime.
Rev g says
Odd, given that carrying out many of the tenets of Islam are criminal in any civilized nation.
Better to just criminalize islam.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Better to just criminalize islam.
How about the Moslems, do they get outlawed too?
particolor says
WANTED..
Jessie Mohammed
for Selling Koorans in the Bible Belt.
REWARD.. A Prime Leg od Pork.
duh_swami says
You mean I will no longer be allowed to go outside, look up at the sky and shout as loud as I can…
FFFFFUUUUUCK yooo Allah? I will be arrested for that?
If that’s the case, I’m going to increase those shouts until I do get arrested, even if the neighbors do threaten me…They don’t care all that much for Allah either, they just don’t like me doing it at 3 AM…
somehistory says
The important thing in this regard, that of not allowing anyone to speak against religion, its books or symbols, is this: To muslims, islam is the ONLY religion, and has the ONLY religious book, the ONLY religious symbols, etc
Therefore, the only religion not being criticized would be islam…the one that is really a war machine…a form of legalized, by its unholy book, rape of children. The so-called religion that preaches hatred and murder against all who oppose it and refuse to bow to its satanic image.
They would still be free to say anything they wish against Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. just as they are now free to do. The only difference a law like this would make is that those who oppose islam would be subjected to fines, imprisonment and death if they continue to tell the truth.
And this is the end of the 10 year plan by OIC set up in 2005 and endorsed by hillary in the Istanbul Process out of Turkey in 2011 when she spoke of “shaming” Americans into silence
If they get their way, the image of satan’s beast, and the beast itself, islam…will be protected from criticism while the muslims around the world continue slaughtering all who disagree with them about their fiendish unholy pretender and their fake god who is really satan the devil.
pdxnag says
All Islamo-fascist thugs, like this Saudi official and all his Islamic State-like affiliates, should depart this earth before they implement any part of their earthly tyrannical agenda.
Avesta says
Bloody Saudi Sand Monkey Towel Head……….. When their oil runs out, the can suck their camels’ dung and start preaching their religious hatred.
So long as Saudi Sand Monkeys and the Wahhabis have access to cash, they will be the source of all kinds of vile trash, filth, and hatred on this planet.
Jay Boo says
Satan does not like being mocked.
duh_swami says
Yeah…what if I don’t care what he likes…Satan? What did he ever do?
Karen says
Our dear, dear friends, the Saudis, are working for the universal respect for all heavenly religions. Isn’t that nice? 🙂
Notice their claim that “defamatory” speech causes the abridgement of religious rights and practice. Very tricky, very sneaky, borrowing from the playbook; twist something you don’t like into a human rights issue, and you’ll get people to shut up, and stop thinking.
Dear Saudi Arabia, lets start with you building ONE church or synagogue, or temple, then we’ll talk.
Angemon says
Do it. F***ing do it. You’ll be up to your head in fines so fast you’ll think you fell through a black hole, and they’ll amount to so much you’d have to give us all your oil and sell your descendants as slaves up to the 30th or so generation.
Luke Ahead says
Hopefully I’m not repeating issues raised in the comments but Robert Spencer’s wording “that may be precisely the agenda” is too careful I think as what he explained certainly is the agenda! KSA acts on behalf of Wahhabis shoring up the MB politicos and even though along with the Islamic state the MB hate KSA, all mentioned easily change sides, evidenced by the current KSA alliance with Al Q in Syria, and of course the long standing Saudi funding of islamist propaganda in the West.
Best,
L
voegelinian says
Spencer’s wording is accurate; and thus is only “too careful” if you believe in exempting Muslims from the civilized Western principle of Giving the Benefit of the Doubt. As I’ve said many times, we need to cultivate this unique exemption, and withhold our Benefit of the Doubt — which we grant all other people and individuals — from Muslims by the mere fact that they are Muslims (and knowing what we know — or should know by now — about what “Muslim” entails).
P.S.: “knowing what we know — or should know by now — about what “Muslim” entails”
This alludes, negatively, to one source of the asymptotic reflex in the Counter-Jihad: the anxious need to separate Muslims from Islam. A potentially disastrous reflex, if we value our society’s safety in the coming decades.
duh_swami says
Do I detect a slight bit of hypocrisy in the Saudi proposition?
And what is a ‘heavenly religion’;? I don’t think I have ever seen one of those. All the religions I have seen are pretty much on the ground.
RonaldB says
This is actually old hat. The OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation) an organization and bloc in the UN representing 57 Islamic countries, has had a formal campaign since 2005 to bring communications in virtually every country in the world into compliance with Sharia law, especially the provisions against any criticism of Islam, Muhammad, or Islamic teachings.
In 2011, Hilary Clinton, US Secretary of State, held a 3-day, closed-door meeting with the OIC representatives, after which she urged passage of a UN resolution outlawing criticism of Islam. Such a resolution would clearly be against the US Constitution, putting the US into a position of urging laws that were illegal in the US. Hilary got around this impediment by speaking of “shaming” critics of Islam. Of course, for anyone other than Donald Trump, “shaming” entails the loss of jobs, income, and likely government protections.
So, the question is, why did Saudi Arabia come out with a position which is actually old hat for Islamic countries and the OIC? Is there some special circumstance, or is it just the case of a Saudi functionary trying to make himself look useful?
It is so obvious, as to almost not be worth mentioning, that Saudi Arabia is one of the most intolerant countries in the world concerning the freedom of religious expression. Christians are officially forbidden to have a bible or private worship within Saudi Arabia. But Christians are not being discriminated against, as NO religion except Islam is allowed to have expression in Saudi Arabia. The hypocrisy is so blatant and obvious, it’s no longer news.
What is concerning is the obvious hostility of Hilary Clinton, a major Presidential contender, to the Bill of Rights and the traditional liberties of Americans. Also concerning is the obvious apathy of a large proportion of the electorate, who also care nothing of traditional liberties.
The main leverage Saudi Arabia has over the US is the oceans of money available to the Saudis to influence US politicians, education, and media. The Saudis cannot hold the threat of oil over our heads. To emphasize: due to fracking and other technologies, the US, and the West, now produce far more oil than the Saudis. So, the Saudis are pretty limited to passing money to corrupt politicians like the Clintons, funding rapacious universities like Georgetown, and funding and controlling large numbers of mosques. All such foreign funding and influence-peddling should be illegal, and violators subject to felony charges.
t. says
”The main leverage Saudi Arabia has over the US is the oceans of money available to the Saudis to influence US politicians, education, and media.”
Sadly, that pretty much sums it up!
Donald Trump talking harshly about the threat of illegal Mexican immigration while not even showing a hint of any concern about the very obvious threat of the current Islamic conquest in progress to the very existence of the US as we knew it.
voegelinian says
Yeah; Trump is all hair and no cattle, so to speak.
jayell says
This is rather like the family in the Conservative-supporting house up the street demanding that no-one utter a single word criticising David Cameron, even in their own houses (or across the pond, a Democrat family demanding no-one in the street criticises Obama – have I got the right party?). And how should people react? I know how I and all the nightbours I know would react. They would tell that family to do something unmentionable to parts of their anatomies. So by what right exactly do these Saudi morons think they can dictate what people think, say or do beyond the Saudi borders? It’s none of their damned business!! Or are their heads so far up their lumbar tuberosities that they can’t see where the borders are? Someone tell them to get stuffed!!! By the way, here in London we’re having fun with some ignorant, presumptious idiots from that part of the world. Apparently it gets too hot for them down there at this time of year, so they all come over to their flashy apartments they’ve bought, and bring their ridiculously big ostentatious cars with them (with all the gold leaf and diamonds stuck on, apparently). They then proceed to roar up and down London streets, honking their horns and doing stupid stunts, creating obstructions by parking in daft places and across junctions etc.,and generally making total prats of themselves. Everyone has got so p*ssed off with them that one of the local councils has introduced bye-laws banning all this nonsense (called ‘good behaviour’ regulations), and I’m waiting to see them start the enforcements! You can see the connection between this sort of throwing-their weight-around on London streets and doing similar things on the world stage with all this ‘You-can’t-say-nasty- things- about-our-stupid-Prophet’ rubbish! Who the hell do they think they are?
dumbledoresarmy says
Who do they think they are?
They *think* they are the ones whom Allah has appointed to rule the whole wide world. “The best of people, commanding [ Islamically defined] right and forbidding [Islamically-defined] wrong”.
What they actually *are* is one of the ugliest things on the planet: megalomaniacal malignant narcissists, also known as Really Evil People. And they are riding for one hell of a fall.
abad says
I think it is time for another big black rock AKA meteorite to fall and hit earth right in Saudi Arabia – just wipe that joint off the rock.
particolor says
And I BET they will blame the JOOOws !
Westman says
When Saudi Arabia builds and protects a Christian Church and a Jewish Synagogue then the world can consider limiting criticism of Islam. Until then Saudi Arabia is a savage, archaic, amputating, wife-beating, beheading, other-religion-persecuting, group of hypocrites; only one level above Daesh in civility.
The laws of Mekka are exactly those that “moderate” muslims claim are no part of Islam.
Without US support, Saudis would be learning Farsi. The Iranians may manage Mekka better than the Saudis. At least they don’t lie about their intentions.
particolor says
“Iranians are the least of Deceiver’s”
Westman says
Funny. I should have been more specific: At least they don’t lie about their religious based intentions; the destruction of Israel, support for Hamas and Hezbollah, etc. They just lie in negotiations about nuclear weapons.
particolor says
That’s what I meant ! They are only 98% Decievers !
John spielman says
But nonChristian Iranians will still be DECEIVERS
voegelinian says
“When Saudi Arabia builds and protects a Christian Church and a Jewish Synagogue then the world can consider limiting criticism of Islam”
Even that won’t be enough. A thousand other acts of good will need to be done by Muslims, all Muslims, not just Saudis, not just “Wahhabis”, not just “Salafis” — for us to respect and trust them. We should not hold our breath waiting, needless to say (well, unfortunately, there is still need for the asymptotics of the Counter-Jihad, such as Jamie Glazov, et al…).
ChrisLA says
From the very first page of the Quran, the heavenly words of Allah vilify Jews and Christians: In Surah 1.7 Jews are “those who have incurred Your wrath” and Christians are “those who have gone astray.” Surah 5:60 likens Jews to apes and swine. The Quran calls on Allah to confound the Jews and Christians in Surah 9:30 and says, “How perverse they are!” If Muslims want people to respect their religion, they will have to do some major clean-up of their Quran,
particolor says
OINK! OINK !! 🙂
mortimer says
Mohammed’s ministry began with violence and ended with violence. Jibreel the fallen angel grabbed Mohammed and squeezed him to the point of almost killing him…just as a gangster would to intimidate an accomplice. When Mohammed died, he ordered the genocide of Jews and Christians in Arabia.
Islam began with the fallacy of the appeal to violence (‘Believe x or I’ll hurt you’) and then turned this falsehood into a sacred principle: ‘Believe Islam is true or we’ll burn your house down and behead you and rape your wife and children.’
THIS FALLACY (appeal to violence) IS WHAT WE NEED TO CRITICIZE MOST ABOUT ISLAM”
particolor says
We wouldn’t have to Criticize them if the Greedy Sheiks Shared their Wealth with them and they all went Home ! 🙂
Renee says
The greatest insult is on the temple mount in the writing on the mosque:
“Allah has no son, so do not call him father”
God is insulted right in the heart of His Holy City Jerusalem.
Peter says
Of course allah has no son. HE IS SATAN
Abdul Razaq says
This should requires everyone to intensify efforts to criminalize insulting any religion included Christianity and all other non Muslims. Muslims must know that there are other people also live on this planet and most are peaceful not terrorist.
john spielman says
the problem is with ” insulting religion.” islam is an insult to Christianity because it denies the Biblical FACT that Jesus IS the Son of God. The Gospels and New Testament were written 600 years before muhammed and St Paul says that ANY religious doctrine that differs from the Gospel he and the other apostles preached was cursed and came from Satan. also islam preaches that God has no son and that the Bible has been corrupted. There is NO COMMON GROUND. To ban perceived insults is not possible
Nimrod says
Abdul, The Quran itself explicitly insults other religions by name. So are you saying the Quran should be criminalized? For example:
“And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!” Qur’an 9:30
People don’t just read this, they also act based on it.
Purushottam Deshmukh says
Dear brother Abdul Razaq,
You are asking everyone to intensify efforts to criminalize insulting any religion. This is ample proof of your belief that all faiths especially yours is created by God (Allah). What makes you to find emotional security in those scriptures of the antiquity? If the Koran were a book teaching liberty, equality, fraternity, peace and justice, secularism and democracy, why is there then so much chaos in Muslim consciousness. The scenario we witness everyday in the Middle-East is beyond recuperation. Is this because the non-Muslims insult Islam everyday? Why to make our brain-cells habitual to abstract thinking? Aren’t we stupid to have hold too close to our bosoms those ancient texts scribbled by the illiterate? Isn’t it possible for you to create a religion of your own in which everyone is accommodated on equal and peaceful basis? Although you are saying that no religion be insulted, yet your very desire reveals Islam must not be scrutinized and investigated. This is to say that Muslims will not analyze your faith and, therefore, it is mandatory for all non-Muslims not to poke their noses into Islam. Do you know ‘a thing of beauty is a joy for ever’? If Islam is a thing of beauty, why can’t it be a source of joy to the world? It is being attacked from all sides. Who is to be held accountable? Certainly, not non-Muslims! The non-Muslims have already ceased to draw literal meanings from their respective religions. They do not find them insulted and humiliated, for they know a faith composed thousands of years ago need not be taken literally.
Re : "efforts to criminalize insulting Islam" says
The best way to insult Islam is to call Islam pure fascism. It’s an effective and valid argument when stacks of evidence are provided.
Like the Andrew Bostom books. That’s all you need to DEMONSTRATE that Islam is fascism.
The basic rule of “death for apostasy” also works. So, we just say Obviously, Islam is Fascism.
A truthful charge is NOT slander nor is it libel. This is where the religious arguments all break down.
Keep it simple. Provide the real substantial evidence, like I do. Land the message: Islam is everywhere always fascism. As shown by the history of Islam, as shown by the Andrew Bostom books.
And opposition to fascism ( Islamofascism ) is NOT a bad thing. Opposition to Islamofascism is a GOOD thing. Which every liberal and leftist should want to do.
We can easily show ( and I do show ) that Islamic State is classical Islam, classical Islamofascism.
And it doesn’t even work for the Shia Muslims. The Islamic State fascists slaughter Shia Muslims.
Shia Muslims get to criticize that fascist slaughter of Muslims by Muslims as fascism. I would.
And therefore we all get to make that criticism:
Islamic State is fascism. Islamic State follows classical jihad and classical Sharia Law. This is wrong and this very pure and authentic Islamic operation must be liquidated.
There, that’s a criticism.
And anyway, dropping bombs on these bad guys and fighting them is real criticism.
The US, Britain and many other nations criticize the pure Islam of Islamic State.
So, Cameron and Obama are criticizing Islam by fighting Islam, by fighting the classical jihad and Sharia of Islamic State.
Obama and Cameron directly criticize pure classical Islam, the instance of Islamic State. So must we all.
This is our right and our responsibility.
Typical Islamic State actions are what we must criticize and oppose:
Summary of terrorist attacks – recent Sunni / Salafist / Islamic State actions in Iraq and Syria – late June thru late July.
Slaughters of families in their own homes.
Mothers burned alive with their children.
Assassinations of Christians, journalists, a doctor and a rival imam.
Bomb blasts at markets, a power plant and a swimming pool.
Murders at a school, a restaurant and a bus stop.
Murder of construction workers by slitting their throats.
Murder of dissidents.
Crucifixions for not obeying the Ramadan Islamic daytime fast.
Islamic State women enforcers beating a woman to death for lifting her veil to read a grocery item label.
More generally:
See youtube video Islam is Nazism with a God Eric Allen Bell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5RjyxVEMVo
Published on Apr 24, 2015
Islam is Nazism with a God. Islamic scripture teaches the hatred and killing of Jews. These teachings are right out in the open in Islamic countries and occur quietly in Islamic Centers and mosques in America and Europe. The solution is to educate the civilized world about the threat of Islam. The goal of fighting the doctrine of Islam is to protect human rights. The enemy of Islamic brutality is information.
Susan B says
No religion should get a pass. What I know about islam is that it is less a religion and more a political ideology hiding behind a religious facade. Islam needs to examined, freedom depends on it. If this ever passed I would be spending a lot of time in jail.
TheBuffster says
“This should requires everyone to intensify efforts to criminalize insulting any religion included Christianity and all other non Muslims.”
No, no, no, Abdul! All viewpoints, religious or not, need to be open to criticism (it is surely insulting to any religion when people criticize it). In a society that respects the reasoning, questioning, exploring, and judging mind, the freedom to express one’s honest thoughts without being criminalized for it is a necessity.
No idea is so sacred that it must not be questioned, and if someone finds the idea absurd, false, or evil, he must be free to say so, just as those who disagree with him have the right of rebuttal.
BommelBen says
According to the holy scriptures of the Islam ideology Mohammed was a highway robber (more friendly called a warlord), a murderer (he actively participated in the beheading of hundreds of captured Jews), a torturer (but only to extract the location of a hidden treasure), a lecher (he forced his stepson to divorce because he lusted after his attractive wife), a pedophile (he married for political reasons his six year old niece and consumed this marriage when she was nine), a rapist (only of captured women and slaves) and a liar (but not to other Muslims). Last but not least he was a perfect man and example for all the Muslims to imitate.
What kind of insult could improve on that if all this is true. And if it is not true are not the Koran and the Hadith the worst slanderers?
Nimrod says
Yes, exactly. If any logic were involved here, it would be obvious that he is calling for a ban of the Quran itself.
Islam is the antithesis of logic and reason. Past attempts to do something about this (Mu’tazila) died 600 years ago. This Saudi official is just the latest evidence of this legacy of failure.
Cecilia Ellis says
“Al-Omari said the Saudi participation in the symposium falls in line with its efforts to support the principles of justice, humanity, promotion of values and the principles of tolerance in the world as well as to emphasize the importance of respecting religions and religious symbols.”
I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam stops blaspheming the true God.
I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam stops calling Christians and Jews the vilest of creatures.
I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam returns the Temple Mount to the Jews.
I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam divests itself of all doctrines and mandates for violence.
I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam denouces its founder and rejects his “perfect man” status.
I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam ceases to exist.
particolor says
I will stop Criticizing Islam when they Give all the Hands Feet and Heads back for Criticizing Islam !
Voytek Gagalka says
I will stop criticizing islam when they’ll stop yelling their stupid, endless and noisy “allahu akbar” whenever seeing Jews at the Temple Mount. Plus opening their closed “holly sites” to ALL visitors would be very helpful and proving their desire to reform and goodwill. Right. But I believe it will never happen, so I have no choice but to continue my critique of their murderous pseudo “religion.”
particoloe says
“CULT Fiction” Lives !!
particolor says
“CULT Fiction” Lives .
Purushottam Deshmukh says
Respected Ms Cecilia Ellis M’am,
It is difficult to realize your true God. There is great fun here. You criticize Islam because it does not represent true god. Muslims criticize our god because they think ours is not a true god. Therefore, the logical inference is god does not exist and all are god fearing. Do you know no one ever defends his or her god? What is strongly defended are our conscious and unconscious fears. Right from our childhood we are forced to believe god. We do not like being touched on our piously held frights.
You wish to cease criticizing Islam when Islam stops calling Christians and Jews….Do you mean to say ‘I won’t break your toy if you don’t mine’?
What if Islam does not return the Temple Mount to the Jews? Will you pick a bitter quarrel with your neighbor whose little kid has stolen your kid’s toy and is not confessing to have stolen it?
Who says Christian Scriptures are devoid of violence?
We will neither criticize Islam nor any other faith when we cease to be the followers of organized religious insanity.
There is great fun in the statement you made: I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam ceases to exist.
Albert Einstein once said: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. But I am not sure about the former!
john spielman says
without God there can no absolute unchanging concept of good nor evil, but absolute evil does exist as can be seen in ISIS which represents the core tenets of islam
As far as God existing, we all just have to be patient and wait for God whom we will see on when we die on the Day of Judgement for life itself is not possible with out God
Cecilia Ellis says
Purushottam Deshmukh, I apologize for the delay in responding to you, but during that time, i thought about your comments. As such, I respond as follows:
“It is difficult to realize your true God.”
No, it is not. Realization derives from a convergence of faith and reason that points to something beyond, an ultimate answer. Within all humanity, there are common, existential experiences that enable one to conclude that there is a transcendent reality. Faith responds to that conclusion.
“You wish to cease criticizing Islam when Islam stops calling Christians and Jews….Do you mean to say ‘I won’t break your toy if you don’t mine’?”
My exact words were: “I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam stops calling Christians and Jews the vilest of creatures.” (Qur’an 98:6). That having been said, in no way did I mean to say, “I won’t break your toy if you don’t mine.” Let me be clear: I meant to say, “I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam stops calling Christians and Jews the vilest of creatures.”
“What if Islam does not return the Temple Mount to the Jews? Will you pick a bitter quarrel with your neighbor whose little kid has stolen your kid’s toy and is not confessing to have stolen it?”
My exact words were: “I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam returns the Temple Mount to the Jews,” no more, no less. The Temple Mount is the site of both the First and the Second Temple, the first having been destroyed in 586 B.C. and the second having been destroyed in 70 A.D. The Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock sit on top of the historically-documented, ancient Jewish site. After the Six-Day War, despite having won, Israel allowed the Islamic Waqf to retain possession of the Temple Mount for one reason: peace. There is no “bitter quarrel” here, just facts. Were Islam to return the Temple Mount to the Jews, I would applaud its gesture.
“Who says Christian Scriptures are devoid of violence?”
My exact words were: “I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam divests itself of all doctrines and mandates for violence.” Absolutely nowhere in the New Testament is there a doctrine and mandate for violence. Look as you might, you will not find such a requirement.
“There is great fun in the statement you made: I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam ceases to exist.”
For me, there is no fun in the statement, “I will stop criticizing Islam when Islam ceases to exist.”
“Albert Einstein once said: Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. But I am not sure about the former!”
Yes, Albert Einstein did say that. He also said the following:
“When the answer is simple, God is speaking.”
“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
“I want to know God’s thoughts – the rest are mere details.”
Purushottam Deshmukh says
Respected Ms Cecilia Ellis M’am,
I read your reply to my comment. I must tell I felt happy. What overwhelms me is your tremendous sense of otherness! May I know the source of the sense you thoroughly possess? It is just rare. I have all the respect for you for being thoroughly human.
The organized faiths we stick to leave us helpless. The way we are conditioned makes us to look beyond to a transcendent reality. There is no way out. In fact, life is here and now. All our problems are here and now. Our loneliness, hate, jealousies, envies, the wounds, the fragmented nature of our selves; the conflicting ideas and concepts floating deep across our consciousness are all here and now. This is reality and there is no other. We always wish we could escape into a nostalgic realm where everything is perfect and ideal – no pain and no sorrow. Convergence of faith connotes a tendency towards one point. Isn’t it masochistic and dangerous to divert focus of all of our brain cells to a reality that does not exist? Please, believe me, I am not preaching you anything. I am just saying what I gather from my everyday living.
We are the world and the world is us. The moment we begin to divert our attention to a transcendent reality we turn detached observers – the conscious part of the mind watching the vast unconscious. In other words, the ‘ego’ is watching and protecting itself against the fathomless divinity. Divinity has never been beyond. When we do not get answers to the basic issues of life, the brain goes calm and quite. Peace descends. Let-go in our conscious begins to operate on its own. This is meditation.
I did not write all this intentionally. I ask for your forgiveness if what I wrote hurts you. Good night!
Joseph says
DING DING DING
Aaaaaand the winnner by a knockout is ………………………………….
Cecilia Ellis
mortimer says
The Saudis want to “confront ethnic, religious and cultural intolerance” ???
Give me a break.
Salafism is 100% ethnic, religious and cultural intolerance.
t. says
”Salafism is 100% ethnic, religious and cultural intolerance.”
Amazingly, I was thinking exactly that and then I arrived at your comment.
It’s %100 true!
voegelinian says
“Salafism is 100% ethnic, religious and cultural intolerance.”
You mean Islam is…
Yellow Dog says
He says heavenly religions. What are the other religions that he is referring to?
The Doctor says
Remember, in the “mind” of a Muslim only Islam is the Heavenly religion. All others are corruptions of Islam and are not to be considered valid.
In other words, they want legal protection for ONLY Islam. No surprises here – Muslims are scum.
David says
This is pretty much the case already, the only exception are the Muslims – who seem to be able to critisize, and prejudice against all other religions, and creeds. Make the rule unanimous amongst Muslims by installing it in the Sharia law first, and demonstrate the value of such a law, as the rest of the world would need similarly need to do for something so demanding should require.
Some of us are looking so bloody weak thanks to people backing down to these idiots!
Traci Hooks says
So, does that mean Muslims will stop insulting other religions? They want people to stop insulting their religion, but persecute other religions. So, if we are going to criminalize criticism of religions, how about we criminalize persecution and executions of people of the Christian and Jewish faith?
voegelinian says
As with many other aspects of this horrendous Train Wreck of a global problem, Western PC MC dovetails (unwittingly) with the Islamic agenda.
The PC MC doctrine of Tolerance is not simplex, but complex:
On the face of it, the doctrine seems utterly self-contradictory, or a marvel of a Zeno’s Paradox wrapped in a riddle in an enigma:
Be tolerant of everyone — but don’t be tolerant of those who refuse to be tolerant of those who are intolerant.
Until we restore the missing ingredient: When we remind ourselves that the PC MC worldview of the mainstream West racializes the problem of Islam, we then see that the Paradox is not only wrapped in a riddle in an enigma, but further enfolded in a pita bread burrito:
Be tolerant of everyone — but don’t be tolerant of those who refuse to be tolerant of Brown People who are intolerant.
Now the logic of PC MC makes sense, when we see the anxious White Western Guilt – reflecting the neurotically magnified distortion of the two capital, classical virtues of Western Civilization (Respect for the Other; and Self-Criticism) – at the bottom of it all.
And, as I noted, it dovetails nicely (i.e., disastrously) with the Islamic agenda of Stealth Sharia-cum-Stealth Jihad.
voegelinian says
P.S.: The “Brown People” of my analysis refers, of course, to Muslims in the perspective of PC MC. In the perspective of PC MC, Muslims have become the #1 Aggrieved Ethnic Minority Whom We White Westerners Must Respect.
(It amuses, and irks, to note that I have felt the need to add the proviso “n the perspective of PC MC” to every description of this racialization factor (as though that wasn’t already understood) — for fear of being castigated in mean-spirited attacks or grievously misunderstood by various anxiously aysmptotic members of the Counter-Jihad; though with most of them, apparently, no amount of clarification suffices for their pusillanimous anxiety energized by the ethical narcissism that is at the root of all asymptotic reflexes and PC MC values).
Jay Boo says
Can we blame them for being so very sensitive to criticism?
Muslim men after all (especially recent converts) are sexually repressed and narcissistic.
Islam itself is Richard Simmons gay but in a narcissistic closet-queen kind of way.
No wonder Islam attracts so many uptight converts who pose with a big butcher knife or … gun and swagger for the camera before they later prance about wearing a designer made Islamic man-dress swishing their butts high in the air at prayer in search for what true jihadis call Islam’s Muslim (BROTHERHOOD) … ‘fun’.
Imagine those PRIVATE MOMENTS at Islamic prayer.
… or don’t
sidney penny says
“One problem with it,…”
“And that may be precisely the agenda”
“maybe”
Why not “that is precisely the agenda?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWNaR-rxAic
Call Me Maybe
kay says
Re: “Al-Omari said the Saudi participation in the symposium falls in line with its efforts to support the principles of justice, humanity, promotion of values and the principles of tolerance in the world.”
People will fall for this. And this is the OIC program. I just posted on this stuff yesterday.
We have met the enemy and it’s an inside job.. I have been sweating bricks and working very hard on this for months. The No Establishment Clause is really basic. Any law school student should understand it in ten minutes. Same with the First Amendment. I thought Obama taught law.
Am I now living in Vichy France? Or is this worse?
To repeat:
Sharia Versus Freedom: The Legacy of Islamic Totalitarianism Hardcover – September 18, 2012
by Andrew G. Bostom (Author)
ISBN-10: 1616146664
http://www.amazon.com/Sharia-Versus-Freedom-Islamic-Totalitarianism/dp/1616146664/
Also, PoliticalIslam.com Save us Bill!
Also
(1)
Obama: Americans Are Inviting Jihad By Criticizing Islam
http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/19/obama-americans-are-inviting-jihad-by-criticizing-islam/
American and European citizens and journalists are spurring jihadi violence by protesting the arrival of Muslim populations into their societies, President Barack Obama declared Thursday.
(2)
Obama Considering Measure To Ban Criticism Of Islam
http://www.rightsiderocks.com/article/obama-considering-measure-to-ban-criticism-of-islam/
Obama is considering a UN resolution that criminalizes speech Muslims consider blasphemous.
If the Obama Administration has its way, the 1st Amendment will be subject to review by the United Nations.
The UN is pushing member nations to adopt something they call UN resolution 16/18. This is a resolution- proposed by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which is made up of 56 Islamic states- which would criminalize “hate speech” targeting Muslims.
This wholly un-Constitutional proposal was first floated in the aftermath of 9/11 amid fears that American Muslims would be unfairly targeted for abuse. The Bush Administration rightly rejected it. As Forbes notes,
Previous versions of the Resolution, which sought to criminalize blasphemous speech and the “defamation of religion,” were regularly rejected by the American delegation and by the US State Department, which insisted that limitations on speech – even speech deemed to be racist or blasphemous – were at odds with the Constitution. But this latest version, which includes the “incitement to imminent violence” phrase – that is, which criminalizes speech which incites violence against others on the basis of religion, race, or national origin – has succeeded in winning US approval –despite the fact that it (indirectly) places limitations as well on speech considered “blasphemous.”
Particularly troubling is the fact that this law wouldn’t in any way inhibit Arab nations from teaching school children that Jews are evil and must be destroyed, or that America is the Great Satan, because they teach things as fact the same way American schools teach 1 plus 1 equals 2. Only Western style democracies will find themselves affected.
Indeed, as M. Zuhdi Jasser, an observant American Muslim and the founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, remarked in an e-mail, “Anyone who believes that Resolution 16’18 is some kind of a breakthrough is sadly being duped by the most obvious Islamist double discourse. The shift from ‘defamation’ to ‘incitement’ does nothing at all to change the basic paradigm where Islamist nations remain in the offense, continuing to put Western, free nations on the defense.”
Rather, said Jasser, “We should be putting Islamist autocracies on the defense and then simply reiterate that our First Amendment principles already protect the rights of all minorities — whether Muslim or otherwise — and that the best standard of free speech is the American one.
Beginning to categorize speech as ‘incitement’ is a slippery slope that could open the floodgates for any post-tragedy analysis to indict what would otherwise be free speech absurdly as incitement in some far-fetched cause-effect analysis that would depend on proving that speech causes violence.”
voegelinian says
Beginning to categorize speech as ‘incitement’ is a slippery slope …
The mainstream — on the Left AND the Right, (e.gi., various FOX News pundits, as Andrew Bostom noted at the time — and Donald Trump, who attacked Pam Geller and the Garland event) pretty much reinforced that trend in the wake of the Garland Texas attack
sidney penny says
“This requires everyone to intensify efforts to criminalize insulting heavenly religions, prophets, holy books, religious symbols and places of worship.”
What ? some religions are not heavenly?
Which ones? Hinduism? Buddhism?. Sikhism?-yes pagans/infidels never go to heaven?
Is that where the 72 virgins are?
particolor says
You’d have to High on Hash to Dream up something like 72 Virgins ? 🙂
The Doctor says
Trivia fact for today: “hashish” is the Arabic word for “grass”, as in the stuff that grows on the lawn.
K. Harapriya says
Would the Saudis be willing to extend the same courtesy to non-muslims of not insulting their religions? Leaving aside free speech, Muslims always come across as hypocritical. They want everyone to adhere to rules that they never follow. Respect for their religion is one such rule. When have Muslims respected the others’ rights to their own religion ? Saudi Arabia doesn’t allow anyone to build temples or churches there, yet they fund the building of mosques all over the world. They don’t permit other religions to practice in their country. When this was pointed out to a Zakir Naik (a Muslim televangelist of sorts) his response was that since Islam was perfect religion, there could be no other religion allowed in Saudia.
particolor says
If its so Bloody Perfect, why aren’t they living the Life of Luxury in their own Lands ?
Instead of Sponging off people Word Wide ! 🙁
They nothing but BLUDGING AZZWIPES !
MEH says
ok , arabia , you first , bibles allowed , and new churches , then we can talk
K Alford says
This is no religion it’s just EVIL at its worst. These people will not see the virgins and crazy figs killing innocent people in the name of Allah.
John says
How laughable
How about when Saudi Arabia allows all the Christian Philippinos in Saudi Arabia to worship their God. Or wear a cross. How about hearing the sounds of bells on a Sunday morning on Riyadh as ten of thousands of Christians (who work there) make their way to church.
All this type of BS works because the West does not have a clue. These religious freaks just keep spinning the faux tolerance while doing the exact opposite.
No Fear says
That Saudi official should be arrested for crimes against intelligence by telling people the supremacist lies that are found in the Quran.
Jerome says
When Muslims accuse others of “hate speech” or “bigotry” just remember what the Islamic agenda really is:
~~ They don’t mind hate speech directed at non-Muslims. In fact, they promote it.
~~ They don’t mind religious minorities being denied rights that Muslims have in Muslims societies. In fact they encourage discrimination.
~~ They don’t mind terrorism in the name of Islam. In fact, they refuse to specifically acknowledge and denounce more than 99% of it.
‘Bigotry’ and ‘hate speech’ mean nothing in the Islamic world, where the supremacy of Islam and institutionalized discrimination against Kafirs are taken for granted. Where religious apartheid is openly practiced just because Allah has labeled us Kafir;
► Allah says we are filthy-najis [Q5:41, 9:28, 13:17]
► worthy of humiliation [Q9:79; 17:18, 2:85, 2:114, 3:192, 5:33, 17:18, 22:18]
► and even death [Q9:73, 2:193, 9:5, 47:4, 66:9, 9:123].
Kafir is the real truth of Allah. It is sacred hate.
The language of civil rights and tolerance is tool of convenience to advance the cause of Islamic supremacy. Civil rightists are concerned about rights for all people, regardless of race or religion, and this is something that Islam has never been able to produce… and probably never will…not if you follow the Islam!
voegelinian says
Well sure. That’s why when it comes to Islam, some well-known terms come in handy:
“Orwellian” for their double-speak double-standard hypocrisy and taqiyya-kitman deception.
“Stockholm Syndrome” for the way Islam converts victims into co-dependent enablers of hateful xenophobia and violent supremacism.
Meanwhile, we have “Kafkaesque” and “PTSD” for the various responses and reactions which Westerners display as Islam undergoes its global revival.
Spinzoa says
ISLAM HAS SURVIVED BECAUSE IT KILLS APOSTATES: Anybody who reads the Quran and Hadiths will be bewildered how Islam, a religion of murder, violence and terrorism with no substance in it, has managed to grow and survive for the last 1400 years. Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned cleric of Islamic brotherhood in Egypt provides an honest answer. He says that Islam has survived after the death of Mohammed because it kills the apostates of Islam. Please watch this youtube video for proof. ..youtube(dot)com/watch?v=huMu8ihDlVA………Muslims who are still not convinced should watch this video by Zakir Naik, the most famous and authoritative Islamic scholar in India…youtube(dot)com/watch?v=JRl5c-xPVA0……..Zakir Naik clearly says that apostates of Islam should be killed.
After the death of Mohammed, there was large scale apostasy from Islam and forced converts were happy to hear that the tyrant Mohammed is dead. However, their happiness was short lived as Abu Bakr, the caliph fought bloody wars against the apostates and restored Islam again at the point of the sword. Those battles are known in the history of Islam as the Ridda wars (Ridda, in Arabic, means apostasy). Despite the irrefutable historical proof, the interpretations of most famous Islamic scholars and references in Hadiths, muslims are able to argue that Islam is a religion of peace and it spread by the beauty of its message. THIS IS HEIGHT OF LYING AND DECEPTION…………Replace (dot) with “.” in the youtube video link given in my post to watch the videos.
Edward Cline says
I left this comment on the Saudi Gazette article about criminalizing freedom of speech. I don’t expect it to be published:
You must be joking. Islam is the most intolerant creed on the face of the earth. It calls for the submission or murder of anyone not a Muslim. As an atheist, I can’t think of a more evil creed to vilify than Islam, and its “religious symbols” to mock and parody. Read Rule of Reason, and the article, “The Moderate Muslim Moonie II.”
JIMJFOX says
Paraphrasing a famous tragedy— “OH, THE HYPOCRISY”
There is ONLY ONE ‘religion’ this will apply to.
No prize for guessing which…
epistemology says
This is criminalizing free speech, our basic right. They want to impose their perverse sharia.
“We have made it clear that freedom of expression without limits or restrictions would lead to violation and abuse of religious and ideological rights,” said Abdulmajeed Al-Omari, director for external relations at the Ministry of Islamic Affairs.
No Abdulmajeed, we can live very well with freedom of expression without limits or restrictions. If you can’t, don’t go to our countries. Without freedom of expression there is no freedom at all like in all Muslim countries. Ain’t it funny that no representative of another religion ever claimed insulting religion, prophets etc. should be criminalized? Islam the vilest and cruelest of all religions is also a religious crybaby.
voegelinian says
“This is criminalizing free speech, our basic right. They want to impose their perverse sharia.”
Yes, this most recent call for criminalizing blasphemy, in line with the previous (and continuing) long-standing campaign by the OIC, is in effect, Stealth Sharia.
Milt W says
OK – ” He who throws rocks ” you show me yours and I ‘ll show you mine scenario pinhead.
If thats not enough you can take your newest request and bend over ,spread apart and shove it.
Get my drift?
S R Wakankar says
If the unnatural and artificial nation named Pakistan had not been carved out by partitioning the great Indian provinces of Punjab and Bengal, the problem of global terror wouldn’t have taken the form it has taken today. For ending this completely, reunification of the Indian provinces of Punjab and Bengal is most necessary. Until and unless this is done, the problem would remain there.
Pakistan was carved out as a Homeland for Indian Muslims but it turned out to a fertile ground for and nursery for world terrorism and global jihad. It became a rogue play-ground for world Muslim radicals and Caliphatists.
Pakistan has ended up in the Indian province of Bengal-Bangladesh is there today. The process of its end in the Indian province of Punjab is on. The day Pakistan dies in Punjab, the world would be relieved.
voegelinian says
“; all extremist Muslims shall be deported immediately back to their ethnic homelands. ”
Leaving all the Moderate Muslims Who Just Wanna Have a Sandwich remaining in our lands? What could go wrong? It’s not like they would be seething with fanatical anger at the fact that we have just forcibly “dismantled” their very identity, meaning of life, reason for existence, and eschatological destiny….
slcockerham says
There’s not nearly enough prison cells to house all of the Islamic radicals that speak out against Christians and Jews! Oh, that’s right, this is just to help justify their “righteous indignation” against those that criticize the actions of radical Muslims raping, invading and killing in the name of their prophet and god.
fido says
From a Christian’s point of view islam is but a one of a multitude of false religions designed to mislead the unsuspecting an unwary. The Bible warns of such deceptions, but even a cursory inspection of islam would reveal its evil & ghoulish nature. As a “religion” it seems almost laughably wanting were it not for the sheer number of people that have dedicated themselves and their lives to this evil ideology.
tim says
Allowing Muslims into the USA is National Suicide
http://www.thelibertyman.com/downloads/MuslimImagrationDangers.pdf
EYESOPEN says
“Al-Omari said the Saudi participation in the symposium falls in line with its efforts to support the principles of justice, humanity, promotion of values and the principles of tolerance in the world as well as to emphasize the importance of respecting religions and religious symbols.”
How’s that “tolerance” in Soddy Barbaria going?
TheBuffster says
“Saudi Arabia has reiterated its call on the international community to criminalize any act vilifying religious beliefs and symbols of faith as well as all kinds of discrimination based on religion.”
Oh, boy!
I guess this means that Saudi Arabia is going to start letting Christians build churches and Jews build synagogues and Buddhists build temples in Arabia. Maybe even in Mecca! Right? RIGHT?
fudge says
a man who has sex with a nine year old girl is not from allah
Bernie P says
Actually a man who has sex with a 9 year old IS from allah (satan), but cannot be from God
Frank Courtney says
Reasons why the Islamic world makes these demands for blasphemy laws (really blasphemy against Islam) or
Reasons not to be cheerful.
1. It’s part of the imposition of sharia on non-Muslim countries.
2. It’s a way of forcing us into dhimmitude.
3. It furthers and reinforces Islamic supremacism.
4. They cannot stand scrutiny and reasoned critism of Islam by mere infidels.
5. They know ( the more intelligent among them do) that Islam cannot withstand scrutiny and reasoned criticism.
6. They must know hadith considered reliable describe Mohammed as the lowest of the low: murderer, plunderer, rapist, torturer, deceiver, misogynist, slaver, pedophile … yet they consider him to be the “Perfect Man”. The cognitive dissonance this produces causes them to hit out at any perceived slander of their Dream Boy Mo.
7. They describe the Koran as “glorious” and “noble” but even to a complete idiot it is anything but. They therefore have to try to protect this shameful manual of hate and obfuscation from reasoned criticism.
8. They envy our freedoms, which therefore must be removed.
9. They are the ultimate freeloaders so removing criticism will enable their parasitic intentions.
10. Blasphemy laws will give Jihad a free pass…
11. … and increase fear among the infidels.
12. Succeeding in imposing blasphemy laws will be pleasing to “Allah”, their Imaginary Monster.
kay says
Free speech, reasoned criticism, social media outreach, effective debate skills, book and video and website references, patience and persistence and teamwork.
These are our main weapons.
The bad guys really really get this now.
Even a simple photo will do. Just learned of this one:
“Also look up 13th Waffen SS Handschar, and 21st Waffen SS Skanderbeg divisions which were Muslim, and Hitler was very proud of them. This photo is a SS division during a prayer in Neuhammer :”
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aWPiLagXt58/VC9q8jEx_EI/AAAAAAAAJ0Q/vOt1SQgXSO0/s1600/Muslim%2Bmembers%2Bof%2Bthe%2BWaffen-SS%2B13th%2Bdivision%2Bat%2Bprayer%2Bduring%2Btheir%2Btraining%2Bin%2BGermany%2C%2B%2B1943.jpg
And I am VERY HAPPY to cite Christian sources.
Just found this today! An oldie but goodie!
Shariamerica: Islam, Obama, and the Establishment Clause
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErzxOz3Dzv8
Uploaded on Apr 14, 2011
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/
The U.S. government condemns burning the Qur’an. Yet the U.S. government burns Bibles. This is a clear violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
My fave, just recently found. ( I’ve mentioned this one before on JW ). Got it a few days back from Dr. Bill. Bill Warner.
Islam is Nazism with a God Eric Allen Bell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5RjyxVEMVo
Published on Apr 24, 2015
Islam is Nazism with a God. Islamic scripture teaches the hatred and killing of Jews. These teachings are right out in the open in Islamic countries and occur quietly in Islamic Centers and mosques in America and Europe. The solution is to educate the civilized world about the threat of Islam. The goal of fighting the doctrine of Islam is to protect human rights. The enemy of Islamic brutality is information.
garegin says
7. They describe the Koran as “glorious” and “noble” but even to a complete idiot it is anything but. They therefore have to try to protect this shameful manual of hate and obfuscation from reasoned criticism.
I am always amazed how the Quran is praised for its literary excellence. Obviously for Arabs who had little to no literature, it’s a towering achievement. Compared to the Bible, the events are written by a distant outsider, with little knowledge of places, people or culture. Consider that Jerusalem is never mentioned by name, even though many of the events take place there. There’s near zero awareness of Israelite culture or history, even though many of the stories are about them.
Frank Courtney says
… they couldn’t jail all of us. There just ain’t enough prison cells. So what punishments do they intend?
valhalla says
Nothing should be above criticism or scrutiny,and those who suggest otherwise might be those “who do have something to hide”,how would we ever have known about the sexual abuse in the catholic church and the recent exposure of the Jehovah Witness,cruelty to animals and children ?,respect and tolerance of religions is well and good ,but not all religions deserve that as some of their beliefs are not comparable with the values and beliefs of others ,such as Christianity and islam,and of course there are those who have no beliefs and that is their right in a democratic country,islam can control and force it’s converts to believe it’s dogma but it cannot and will not tell other denominations what to believe and think.
kay says
Like he said.