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Thailand deports 109 Muslims from China who had been on their way to Turkey, Syria or Iraq to join jihad

Jul 11, 2015 1:31 pm By Robert Spencer

islamic_jihad“Many had been radicalized by materials released by the World Uygur Congress and the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM). The recruitment gangs had used religious extremism to encourage people to go to Syria and Iraq to participate in jihad.” No one, however, has yet bothered to explain exactly how “religious extremism” differs from standard, ordinary Islamic jihad doctrine.

“Deported Illegal Chinese Immigrants Planned Joining Jihad: Police,” Xinhua, July 11, 2015:

A total of 109 illegal immigrants, who were repatriated from Thailand to China on Thursday, had been on their way to Turkey, Syria or Iraq to join jihad, the Ministry of Public Security confirmed Saturday.

Several recruitment gangs were uncovered in Turkey by a Chinese police investigation, which was also discovered that Turkish diplomats in some Southeast Asian countries had facilitated the illegal movement of people.

A large number of radicalized Chinese and the heads of organized gangs, also known as snakeheads, have been deported from Southeast Asia this year, according to the ministry.

Of the 109 individuals returned to China this week, 13 had fled China after being implicated in terrorist activities, and another two had escaped detention, said a ministry statement.

According to their accounts, many had been radicalized by materials released by the World Uygur Congress and the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM).

The recruitment gangs had used religious extremism to encourage people to go to Syria and Iraq to participate in jihad.

Some snakeheads, including Mehmut Obulela who was one of the people repatriated, told police that the gangs were well established and had a clear hierarchy. The gangs organized people to travel over land or sea through countries including Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Thailand to enter Turkey.

After arriving in Turkey, many, led by the ETIM terrorist group, went on to Syria to join the fighting. Even those who did not get as far as Syria, were involved in jihadist activities wherever they had stopped, they said….

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  1. shams78 says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    The politically correct state owned media doesn’t want to offend a particular ethnicity AKA Uyghur terrorists, so it refers to all the terrorists as “Chinese citizens” without naming their ethnicity to be PC even though 100% of terrorists in China are ethnic Uyghur. Non other Muslim ethnicity in China like Hui, Salar, Dongxiang and Bonan have been involved in terrorism. But people will cry “racist” if Uyghurs are singled out and the official policy of the party is to promote “ethnic harmony” so don’ t expect this to change. There are tons of Hui and Salar Mosques and religious schools with cash pouring in to further Islamic teaching. Beijing has more Mosques than Moscow even though it has less Muslims. China will continue to fund religious schools for Hui and even allows the veil to be promoted in Hui regions with fashion shows, while Uyghur women will face increasing pressure to unveil and Uyghur schools are raided by the police. China will also keep buying oil and selling weapons to Saudi Arabia. There has never been a Hui terrorist in China.

    • Kepha says

      Jul 11, 2015 at 8:27 pm

      Very interesting that China funds religious schools for Muslims. Does this mean schools to train mullahs, or ones where persons of all ages are taught the religion in manner appropriate to their age and understanding? If the latter, it seems that China has come a long way from draconian measures to keep children from being exposed to the opiate of the masses.

      • shams78 says

        Jul 11, 2015 at 11:22 pm

        Mullah training for state funded institutions. Average people and children who seek religious education can do it privately at unofficial private religious schools or gatherings, the government applies the law lightly on Hui areas and ignores these technical violations of forbidding religious education for minors. The private schools can officially call themselves Arabic schools while they are a religious Madrassa and no one cares.

        The laws on underage religious education are applied on Uyghurs in areas like Kashgar and Khotan.

        • Phil says

          Jul 12, 2015 at 6:15 am

          shams78 said on July 11, 2015 at 7:36 pm
          “Uyghurs are weak and have never been warriors in their history which is why they can be crushed.”

          Shams78 – the whole barely suppressed triumphalist tone, replete with vague warnings about how unwise it would be for the Han to antagonize the Muslims, makes it pretty obvious where your sympathies lie. If you read Chinese history, you might find that China is nowhere near that pusillanimous. A repeat of the Dungan Revolt might trigger a rather less tolerant response from the Zhōngnánhǎi than you seem to think. Islam is a long way from ever achieving a powerful position in China. One to two percent of China is Muslim and the growth rate of the faith is hardly impressive – compare that to official Chinese statistics that estimate between 2 – 4% of the population are regular practising Christians and the growth rate is high.

          As for your claim the Uyghur were never warriors? Really??? The Uyghur Khanate was founded on peace and love, was it? And yet, the Uyghurs were very willing soldiers for the Qing Dynasty aiding in the Dzhungarian genocide in the 18th Century, weren’t they? (Sudden attack of déjà vu – I seem to recall another Turkic people committing genocide against the Armenians, Chaldean and Assyrian Christians and the Pontic Greeks not so long ago…). There are many more recent examples – do you expect us to ignore the Kumul Rebellion (a.k.a. Hāmì bàodòng) in the 1930’s and the countless thousands the Uyghur slaughtered, as well?

          When I think of ‘peaceful people’, somehow the Uyghurs don’t spring instantly to mind.

        • shams78 says

          Jul 12, 2015 at 10:15 am

          I believe you may be missing the greater part of your brain. The Dungan revolts were only defeated with the help of a massive contigent of Hui including the Gedimu (Qadim) battalions from Shaanxi and the Khuffiya Naqshbandi Sufi order. And the Second Dungan Revolt was alsmost entirely defeated by Hui loyalists. The Panthay Revolt was crushed with the help of the Hui Ma Rulong.

          The majority of the modern Uyghurs are not descended from the Uyghur Khaganate but are descended from the Karluk Kara-Khanids (in Kashgar, Khotan, Aksu), only a small minority in Turpan and Hami are descended from the Uyghur Khaganate.

          The Uyghurs have never been good warriors. They were conquered, crushed, defeated, ruled, and humiliated by the Dzungars for decades which is why they begged the Qing to free them from Dzungar rule. Uyghur rebellions were easily crushed by the Qing , the only significant challenge against Qing rule came not from local Uyghurs but from Uzbek invaders led by Yaqub Beg from Kokand.

          In 1934 in Kashgar around 10,000 Uyghurs soldiers were manhandled, humiliated and defeated by around 800 Hui and their East Turkestan Republic was crushed.

    • Phil says

      Jul 12, 2015 at 5:54 am

      Not entirely sure where you’re going there, Shams78…. Thanks for the rhetoric about the peaceful integrated Hui. And apart from the First and Second Dungan Revolts (these alone account for between 8 to 12 million dead) and the Panthay Rebellion in Yunnan in the late 19th Century, I will agree they’ve been well-behaved (for the sake of fairness, I’ve restricted myself to Muslim revolts after 1850).

      The aftermath of those rebellions led the Han to keep a tight rein on Muslims supremacism all through the 20th Century. The ethnic integration policy in China is just a continuation of the policy for racial integration along China’s frontiers adopted by the triumvirate of Sun Yatsen, Hung Xing and Song Jiaoren in the early 1900’s after the Xinhai revolution. Zhongguo is scarcely islamophilic – and after their history who could blame them? I’ll believe the Hui and the rest of China’s Muslims are peaceful when another few generations have passed – if they manage to restrain themselves from embarking on yet another Jihad. I devoutly hope they are truly peaceful, but we have the example of many of their co-religionists before us, unfortunately.

      • shams78 says

        Jul 12, 2015 at 10:20 am

        Racial integration was pushed for minorities that live along the outer regions like Mongols, Hui were not one of those minorities, Hui live in the center of China.

        The Dungan revolts were only defeated with the help of a massive contigent of Hui including the Gedimu (Qadim) battalions from Shaanxi and the Khuffiya Naqshbandi Sufi order. And the Second Dungan Revolt was alsmost entirely defeated by Hui loyalists. The Panthay Revolt was crushed with the help of the Hui Ma Rulong. And the Panthay Revolt was an anti-Qing movement like the Taiping.

        The Taiping and Nian rebellions killed over 20 million people, more than the Dungan Revols and Panthay rebelliona combined. There were no Hui involved in those rebellions which occured right at the heart of China.

      • particolor says

        Jul 13, 2015 at 12:32 am

        A Peaceful Muslim is like a Vegetarian Tiger !!

  2. Arthur says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    Coincidentally, China announced the sudden availability of 218 donor kidneys for transplant recipients.

    • particolor says

      Jul 12, 2015 at 6:19 am

      Are they Halal ?

  3. nicu says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    Well done my Buddhist sisters and brothers !

  4. abad says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    Good job, Thailand.

    Islam does not belong in Thailand, anyways.

  5. Michael Copeland says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 5:41 pm

    “You can be full of love and kindness but you cannot sleep next to a mad dog.”
    Ashin Wirathu, Buddhist monk activist

  6. yohananw says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    So Chinese sources say the repratriated Uighers were criminals and terrorists on their way to join the jihad. Other sources say they were asylum-seeking refugees who had escaped from China. Only thing known for sure is that due process is lacking in Thailand and in China.
    http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/chinese-uighurs-face-grim-return-as-authorities-level-terrorism-claims-1.357485

    • shams78 says

      Jul 11, 2015 at 7:11 pm

      Due process is actually lacking in American backed holes like the Philippines where the miltary and Filipino Christian colonists openly engaged in rape, mass murder, and cannibalism of Moro Muslim women and children.

      Also American backed holes like Turkey which repress and kill Kurds while hypcritically whining about Turkic minorities in other countries. Like in this case here, where there is no Kurdish autonomous region, Kurdish language is not official in Turkey while Uyghur is actually official and taught in schools in Xinjiang and the entire region is designated as “Uyghur”.

      The Uyghurs are citizens of China. The fact is, when the “fled” to Thailand, they did not go through any legal route of requesting asylum or asking the UN for help with refugee status. Instead, they tried going to the Turkish consulate and embassy and asked them to illegally issue Turkish passports in order to falsely claim they were Turkish citizens to travel to Turkey from Thailand. They didn’t go through legal channels and sought to travel by illegal means. Next time don’t pull off illegal crap if you want to claim refugee status and instead ask the Thais to process an asylum request.

  7. shams78 says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 7:17 pm

    There are a sure lot of Uyghur terrorists but no terrorists from other Muslim ethnicites in China like Dongxiang, Bonan, Salar, and Hui who outnumber Uyghurs. There are Hui living in northern Thailand too. Not a single terrorist attack. China allows the Gulf Arab states to pour in tons of money to build Mosques and religious schools in Hui regions like Ningxia. Nobody in Ningxia is blowing themselves up. Mosques and religous studies are growing like mushrooms across Ningxia.

    That is because Uyghurs swallowed some Kool-Aid called “Pan-Turkism”, and Turkic ultranationalism from American backed Turkish ultra nationalist racist groups like Bozkurt (Grey Wolves), which means they believe Turks are a “superior race” and want to form a Pan-Turkic union from Central Asia to the Aegean and crush all non-Turkic peoples in the way,

    These American CIA supported Grey Wolves were involved in murdering Kurds and the assasination attempt on Pope John Paul II in addition to murdering leftist Turkish intellectuals.

    • Kepha says

      Jul 11, 2015 at 8:30 pm

      Hmmph. Back in 1884, Hui, Salar, Bonan, and Dongxiang trashed the Communist Party HQ and police station in Xining, Qinghai over a picture in a children’s book. Not terrorism–just a riot.

      • shams78 says

        Jul 11, 2015 at 9:27 pm

        Uyghurs tried trashing government offices over the same book, it didn’t go well for them. All the Uyghurs received heavy sentences while all the Hui, Bonan, Salar and Dongxiang were let off without punishment.

    • Deborah says

      Jul 11, 2015 at 9:35 pm

      “Turkic ultranationalism from American backed Turkish ultra nationalist racist groups like Bozkurt”

      American backed?

      “want to form a Pan-Turkic union from Central Asia to the Aegean and crush all non-Turkic peoples in the way”

      Turkic people is Catholic Hungarians, Catholic Szekelys, Eastern Orthodox Gagauzs, Ashkenazi Jews, Buddhist Mongols, Muslim Turks, Muslim Kazaks, Muslim Azeris, Muslim Uighurs.

      Non-Turkic people is Muslim Arabs, Muslim Iranians, Muslim Pakistanis, Muslim Banghladeshis, Muslim Afghans etc, etc,

      You are idiot leftist.

      • shams78 says

        Jul 11, 2015 at 11:10 pm

        Your CIA wanted to assasinate Turkish and Kurdish leftists and it chose the Grey Wolves as the group to support. Also for destabilizing the SovietUnion by spreading pan-Turkic propaganda in Central Asia.

        The Kurdish opposition to Turkey is Communist and PKK and Ocalan were schooled in Marxist-Leninism. The Turkish Marxist Leninist Communist Party supports the PKK because apparently most average Turks are so bigoted by their ultra-nationalist education system, that it takes Communism to bring them down to a normal level of compassion for people of different ethnic groups. I’ve heard all sorts of ultra nationalist crap from normal Turks who aren’t even members of nationalist organizations.

        Hungarians and Szekelys are Ugric, not Turkic, Mongols are Mongolic, and go tell an Ashkenazi Jew that he is Turkic to his face and see how he reacts.

        Other then the fact that you just spammed a bunch of ethnic groups I have no idea what you are trying to disprove.

        The fact is, that pan-Turkists have a fantasy of a “Turkic Union” of all the Turkic peoples and creating a Turkic state all the way from Turkey to Azerbaijan to the Central Asian states like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and the Tarim Basin. Your spamming a list of ethnic groups does not disprove the existence of ultra nationalist Turks who want to see this happen.

        These Pan-Turkic ultra nationalists also hate Kurds and think non-Turkic peoples are inferior.

        • Tiredofstupid says

          Jul 12, 2015 at 2:20 am

          Damn Shams You sound like you are actually informed on the regions ethnic and political entities- I would enjoy conversing with you.

        • Deborah says

          Jul 12, 2015 at 11:12 am

          Turkic Khazar Ashkenazi jews:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXx1krDJzLY

          ugric-altaic people is turkic.
          The similarities between Turkish and Hungarian languages mark the common roots between the two peoples. The names Imre (Emre in Turkish) and Attila are only used in Turkish and Hungarian. As I said, mi mind Attila gyermekei vagyunk.

          A whole sentence can be derived of the similarity between the two languages. “Zsebemben sok kicsi alma van” in Hungarian, would be “Cebimde çok küçük elma var” in Turkish. The linguistic concept of “there is/there are” is represented with a single word (van/var) only in Turkish and Hungarian. The number of similar words are too many to count here, but some examples are sok/çok, kicsi/küçük, alma/elma, balta/balta, kec/keçi (that’s me lol!), zsep/cep, ki/kim, szaz/yüz, and thousands of others.

          There is also vowel harmony in both languages, and the ways to conjugate possessive pronouns and tenses are very similar:

          elmam = almaM = My apple
          geldim = jötteM = I came
          yaptım =csináltaM = I made
          geldik = jöttünK = We came.
          yaptık =csináltunK = We made.

          Nationalist Hungarian leader Vona Gabor and nationalist Turkish fans:
          http://www.tdyh.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/gabor-vona-marmara-4.jpg

          Turkish nationalist supports Szekelys:
          http://pinsta.me/tag/Sekelistan

        • shams78 says

          Jul 12, 2015 at 11:05 pm

          You are confusing Pan-Turkism with Turanism, which is an outdated 19th century theory which claims that Finno-Ugric, Turkic, Mongolic and other “Altaic” peoples were both linguistically and racially related.

          The racial part has been thoroughly disproven. There is no such thing as a “Turanic” racial stock and Mongols are not genetically related to Anatolian Turks or Hungarians.

          For that matter, Turkic peoples like Yakuts, Tuvans, and Kazakhs, are not genetically or racially related to Anatolian Turkish people either. The relationship in the Turkic language family is only a linguistic one. Kazakhs do not look like Anatolian Turks.

          The linguistic part for the “Turan” and “Altaic” family is also on shaky grounds, the existence of an Altaic language family has been challenged by multiple linguists.

        • shams78 says

          Jul 12, 2015 at 11:06 pm

          Thank you Tiredofstupid. I am glad there are people here like you and some others who have open minds and can converse politely.

  8. Angemon says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    which was also discovered that Turkish diplomats in some Southeast Asian countries had facilitated the illegal movement of people.

    No!!!!! Turks helping jihadis??? Who could have seen that one coming?!?!?!

  9. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    No one, however, has yet bothered to explain exactly how “religious extremism” differs from standard, ordinary Islamic jihad doctrine.

    Of course no one has done that. Doing so is literally impossible. I think we heard the last word on the subject, and it wasn’t much, when the two geniuses Bill O’Reilly (Harvard and Laura Ingraham (Yale) weighed in to denounce Geller for being a stupid publicity hound who insulted a great religion.

    Please, no more complaining about the facts of Islam. They do not fit with the narrative about Islam, and are thus inadmissible. All that’s been covered and disposed in a dispositive way, and no one has any legal or moral standing to talk about the Islamic scriptures or Moslem history, except for certain designative Islam scholars.

  10. mortimer says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 8:16 pm

    Robert Spencer has done it again! Another phrase to memorize and send to 100 people.

    ‘No one (can) explain exactly how “religious extremism” differs from standard, ordinary Islamic jihad doctrine.’

  11. Westman says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    A fine example. I hope Thailand can deal as effectively with the jihadists on their southwest border..

  12. epistemology says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    It’s good to see that countries like Thailand and China cooperate, we all have to work together and build up an international counter-jihad network. No chance to jihadis!

  13. sidney penny says

    Jul 11, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    “No one, however, has yet bothered to explain exactly how “religious extremism” differs from standard, ordinary Islamic jihad doctrine.”

    Robert you analysis is superb.Keep it up.

    Have you asked a few or the Imams in the West,like Imam Obama,Imam Kerry or Imam Cameron?

    They did say that it differs but did not say how.

  14. Tiredofstupid says

    Jul 12, 2015 at 2:37 am

    Sawadee Siam. Getting rid of mi-dee po-chis dee mach. ( Hello Thailand getting rid of the bad boys is very good) Yeah I did most of my time in the Viet Nam conflict in Thailand (ran a liquid oxygen plant for a couple of years there-kinda tough to breathe at 35,000 ft without oxygen). Thailand is mostly Buddhist, was called the land of smiles, have great memories of it. Did you know Thailand is one of the U.S.’s oldest allies-true-The Kings Great-great Grandpa-(King Rama V ) offered Abe Lincoln a brigade of war elephants during the civil war- The current King Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand was born in Boston while his father was a student at Harvard. (so, technically an american citizen-he was born here) and I am truly pleased to see our friends and allies getting rid of the mussie scum that are infesting their southern regions. Not that they got rid of enough of them , but it’s a start.

  15. Baucent says

    Jul 12, 2015 at 3:06 am

    I don’t have a lot of interest in delving into the ethnic squabbles in Eastern China, but what seems clear is this group of Uighurs deported by Thailand did not act like bona fide asylum seekers. There is strong suspicion they are wannabe Jihadists and that being the case, Thailand’s action was justified. It’s also significant that the Thai Embassy in Istanbul was attacked shortly afterwards, by whom we might wonder?

  16. particolor says

    Jul 12, 2015 at 6:11 am

    China doesn’t want the Barsteds back !! But at least their Government is a Wake Up to the Mongrel Dogs !! GRRR !

  17. Matthieu Baudin says

    Jul 12, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    Well done; congratulations to the Thai authorities. And who’s to say that some weren’t on their way to join the Jihad in the south of Thailand itself?

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